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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told your prediction by her.

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Speaker 2: Radio And y'all welcome to another episode of Activists around

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Speaker 2: the World or Feminists around the World.

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Speaker 3: We've been we still interchanged the segment, I guess a

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Speaker 3: little bit, but you know that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: And recently I was on the show Cool People Who

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Speaker 2: Did Cool Stuff with Margaret Kiljoy. I think I've already

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Speaker 2: mentioned this, and we talked about one specific librarian that

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Speaker 2: really helped shape the library system as well as her

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Speaker 2: work in preserving stories from her culture in Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 2: which led me down a path of learning about an

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Speaker 2: indigenous community that I didn't know much about. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to talk about a couple of the women in the

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Speaker 2: community and how they are fighting to preserve their community

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Speaker 2: as well as advocate for so much more, because we

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Speaker 2: know when it comes to indigenous activist it's intersectional, like

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Speaker 2: they are the core of intersectional almost. So let's talk

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Speaker 2: about the Tano nation and a couple of the women

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Speaker 2: who are hard at work to preserve their legacy as

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Speaker 2: well as saving the land around them. Go ahead and

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Speaker 2: put this warning. A lot of the names in here,

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Speaker 2: I could not find. I don't know if it's my algorithm.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if like, if the Internet's like, screw you,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna go ahead and quit before twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what because I was only finding like

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Speaker 2: not helpful. So when it comes to pronunciations of names

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Speaker 2: gonna try my best. There's a little bit of guessing happening.

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Speaker 2: If those of you who are very familiar with the

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Speaker 2: Teano culture as well as their language, please send us

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Speaker 2: information on how to say correctly, because I have a

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Speaker 2: feeling we're gonna talk a little more about them and

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Speaker 2: what they're working on and what they're doing, because they're

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Speaker 2: doing a lot right now and they're having to fight

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Speaker 2: for their own legacy. So you know, we love to

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Speaker 2: their identity. So with that, there you go.

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Speaker 3: Be pre warned.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry for butchering things in advance. So the Teano

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Speaker 2: community is a community of people who were the first

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Speaker 2: peoples of places now known as Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Haiti,

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Speaker 2: the Bahamas, Puerto Rico, and parts of Lesser Antilles. And

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Speaker 2: there's a chunk of people in Puerto Rico today who

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Speaker 2: have identified Taino as part of their heritage. In fact,

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Speaker 2: up to ninety two thousand Puerto Ricans have self identified

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Speaker 2: a National Geographic report in twenty sixteen, genetic research showed

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Speaker 2: that around sixty one percent of Puerto Ricans do have

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Speaker 2: indigenous DNA, and according to an article from Brown Political Review,

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Speaker 2: other scholars were able to reconstruct the complete Teano genome

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Speaker 2: and were able to establish the similarities of Puerto Ricans

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Speaker 2: today with those from the original Taino peoples. So this

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Speaker 2: discovery only validated that many of the indigenous people who

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Speaker 2: knew the death of their genealogy, even with some saying

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Speaker 2: that said, hey, you know people were extinct, literally declaring

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Speaker 2: of tain No nation. Obviously, no one ever really claims

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Speaker 2: that and no one ever not. I don't think she

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Speaker 2: of her marriage and her ancestors, and they were of

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Speaker 2: Tano based. So we're gonna go ahead and assume that

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Speaker 2: she was the first known Puerto Rican librarian at the

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Speaker 3: She did poppetry Annie, it was really, oh my god, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: she did, Petry. I love it.

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Speaker 2: And her legacy is imprinted within the library systems as well.

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Speaker 2: You should go take a listen to that episode on

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Speaker 2: the show show. It taught me so much, and honestly,

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Speaker 2: There may have been more, and there may have been

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Speaker 3: Just an fyi and also a great part of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just to put it out there by coming

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Speaker 2: back to the legacy of the tanne of community, which

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Speaker 2: a bit from that Brown Political Review, which by the way,

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Speaker 2: was written by a Teano community member, Guado Kau Bautista Cuonhart,

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Speaker 2: and they write. Many modern heritage rescue groups such as

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Speaker 2: the Gutumaku Abarak and Puerto Rico People, and Hagueya Kuwe

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Speaker 2: are actively working to foster and protect the Tyranno culture.

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Speaker 2: While many aspects of Tyranno culture have been lost over

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Speaker 2: time or mixed with Spanish and African cultures, our heritage

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Speaker 2: remains unique and we all want to be heard and

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Speaker 2: as a recognized nation. So I think it's really important

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Speaker 2: They also have like books and all kinds of resources

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Speaker 2: So just as a caveat so, Cassio has been a

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Speaker 2: Or el Caney, a not for profit organization in Orakova's

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Speaker 1: And here's their mission. Teach, learn and practice traditional methods

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Speaker 1: a historical, traditional and contemporary perspective. Rectify chronicled historical distortions

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Speaker 1: Develop local and international campaigns to address the concerns and

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Speaker 1: other disciplines to promote community pride, identity, self esteem, self sufficiency, interdependence, productivity, honor, respect,

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Speaker 2: And obviously Acassio and others from that organization and even

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Speaker 2: the Teiano activists as sociologists and environmentalists, Aldia Maleeve Marrero,

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Speaker 2: She, along with activists like Acasio, joined in taking down

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Speaker 2: in Aercibo, Puerto Rico, in twenty twenty two. But this

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Speaker 2: the North American Congress of Latin America about her love.

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Speaker 2: Morrero has long advocated for protecting and preserving her country's

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Speaker 2: Trained as a socio spatial planner focusing on land use

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Speaker 2: an urban context, Malave Morrero uses her knowledge of Puerto

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Speaker 2: the current political climate she describes as quote a threat

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Speaker 2: not only to those of us living in Porto Rican,

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Speaker 2: So in the last few years she's done a lot

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Speaker 2: That's why when I'm present at these manifestations, I watch

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Speaker 2: after organizations that were trying to do construction on sacred lands,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Puerto Rico, the legacies and historical

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Speaker 3: Ownership and making money. Stupid capitalism.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine, but yeah, with that, we are excited to

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Speaker 3: As a group. I'm not really sure why that's a problem.

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Speaker 2: But hey, okay, again, there's so many others that have

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we're going to come back to revisit this

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Speaker 3: Yeah,