1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Class Action is a production of I Heart Radio and 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Sound Argument. Just as a quick hello, I'd like to 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: welcome everyone back to class Action and uh my partner 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Lisa Gray and our special guests tonight are A Maya 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: and La Jane, formerly of the Diller team and now 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: first year law students. So let's start with you. Where 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: are you and how is school? I am currently a 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: one l at you see Hastings. That name might change 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: very soon, but that's where I currently am right now 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, California. What why will the name change? 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: They did a background check on the person were named after, 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: and he was very instrumental in genocides of the UK people, 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: which is an indigenous tribe in California, so they want 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: to get rid of the name Hastings. But now his 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: family is suing the institution and asking for the money 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: he put down with over like a hundred year interests, 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: So they're asking for about a good like three million 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: dollars from us, which we don't have an auspicious beginning 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: for your first year, but good for the researchers out 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: there to dig this up. That's great. And amya, where 21 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: are you and what year are you in? Just kind 22 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: of let's fill in our audience. Yes, So I'm in Cambridge, Massachusetts. 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: I am currently a one ll at Harvard Law. How 24 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: would you describe Boston, you know, now that you spent 25 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: a little time there, or Cambridge. What what's it been 26 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: like for you as the first year. I don't know 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: that I've even experienced it to the fullest. Um. I'm 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: usually on campus most of the time. UM, I will say, 29 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: I try to set aside like two days of the 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: month where I like go out and treat myself to something, 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: and so I'm trying to find places to eat. Um. 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: But it's definitely not necessarily a culture shock because I 33 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: knew what I was getting myself into. But it is 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: a lot different from where I grew up in Florida 35 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: and also where I went to school, which was New Orleans. 36 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: So and you're you're back in the hometown. How's that going. 37 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: It's going pretty well. I'm used to everything around here already, 38 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: so I'm back by family. I'm happy to be back. 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: But at the same time, like you know, I do 40 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: miss New Orleans just a little bit, not too much, 41 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: just a little bit. Leg What was your first class, um, 42 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: and what was it like you know, UM, when you 43 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: when you walked in to describe that for us. So 44 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: my first class was crim pro So Criminal Procedure and 45 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: Hastings has a thing where you choose your seats prior, 46 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: so I didn't have to get there an hour early 47 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: to try to get a good seat. I just had 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: to like do a little selection thing on canvas. It 49 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: was fine, like they just jumped right into it. There's 50 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: no just things as a syllabus class here. They're like, okay, 51 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: so here are the elements of a crime. Now let's 52 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: go through it. I said, oh, okay, let me get 53 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: my notebook out. The same to you, am Iya. I 54 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: know I talked to you when you had visited UM, 55 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: but if you could walk us through like that first day, 56 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: you know on campus when you're going to your first class, 57 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: what was that like to sort of paint that picture 58 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: for us, and you know what was the class? And yeah, 59 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: So my first class was Legislation and Regulation. You know, 60 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: it was eight am, so I wasn't fully there yet. 61 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know that I have too 62 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: much to offer, but I will say I don't know. 63 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: I was I guess I was expecting like my professor 64 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: to introduce himself for something. Hi, my name is but 65 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: he just as soon as the class started he started 66 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: talking about the case. So that caught me off guard 67 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: a little bit. But other than that, like he's a 68 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: fabulous professor. I do remember I got my first cold 69 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: call that day during my last class and property, and 70 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: he asked me a question that wasn't necessarily in the reading, 71 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: and so I'm flipping through my notes like did I 72 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: miss something? Like I'm freaking out, but it was just 73 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: like one of those jokey type of questions and I 74 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: wasn't expecting that. So I'm over here like thinking I'm 75 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: about to burst out in tears, but it was fine. 76 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: It ended up being fine, and that's actually one of 77 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 1: my favorite classes now. But yeah, I was the first 78 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: person called in that class, and I'll never forget it. 79 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned criminal procedure. What are some of the other 80 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: courses that you're taking from My first semester, I take 81 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: Criminal Procedure towards and Civil Procedure, and then I have 82 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: a legal research and writing class where I learned how 83 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: to write memos. So that's my first semester, and then 84 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: my second semester I have to take contracts, property, legal 85 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: writing and research and um a statutory class or constitutional 86 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: You know, in what ways did Dillard in the mock 87 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: trial team prepare you for those? Guys? I can see 88 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: you as criminal procedure because obviously this is some of 89 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: the stuff that you know you you got to know 90 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: cold through mock trial. But for some of these contract 91 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: classes and other things like that, what was the prep 92 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: like that you know? Our is this all kind of 93 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: new to you? Um? I wouldn't say it's new. I 94 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: would just say it puts things into a different perspective. 95 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: When you guys followed us last year, we were doing 96 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: a criminal case, but me and Maya have had two 97 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: civil cases under our belt with AMPTA, so we've done 98 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: towards before. We have had experience in doing towards and 99 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: um trying to find whether defending is liable or not 100 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: liable through the use of negligence. So I was fine 101 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: with that per se. But there really isn't anything else 102 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: besides knowing how to talk in front of people and 103 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: just knowing how to answer questions your honor opposing counsel. 104 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: Members of the journey, May it please the court follow 105 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: the Hoodies. On August one, j Len Williams, a Midlands 106 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: Center firefighter, heard the alarms of the fire station ringing, 107 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: meaning that it was time for him to once again 108 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: risk his life. With no second thought and no hesitation, 109 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: he grabbed his gear and rushed onto the fire truck. 110 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: And unfortunately you will learn that that search and rescue 111 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: mission did end in one cavity, and on that very day, 112 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: Midland's lost a hero and a citizen the most important, 113 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: a family lost. Suns Beyond loss, j willis back to you, amya. 114 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: Just give us a sense of some of the other 115 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: courses that you're taking. Yeah, I'm basically taking the inverse 116 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: of what Legen is taking. I think the only class 117 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: we share is SIV PRO and um LRW Legal Research 118 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: and Writing. Um, so I'm taking those two, and I'm 119 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: also taking Contracts, property and leg RIG. I think for me, 120 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: material wise, property might be my favorite class, followed by 121 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: SIV PRO because I think I do have some experience 122 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: there and for me because I was our Urban Studies 123 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: in Public Policy major. Right now, um, we're learning about 124 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: mortgages and just like a week or so ago, we 125 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: were talking about urban renewal or negro removal, and in 126 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: my head I'm like, oh my gosh, me and Dr Trevor, 127 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about this. So I do get a little 128 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: bit excited there because I understand it, and this class 129 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: kind of gives a different layer of context and I 130 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: kind of can think about the implications in my community, 131 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: and so I appreciate when, you know, my professors do that. 132 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: And as far as sif PRO, I think basically me 133 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: and Logen a kind of had a really good briefing 134 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: to sif PRO because we worked for Hamilton Lewis, which 135 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: is a black owned law firm in New Orleans, and 136 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: Rashawn Hamilton are boss. Shout out to her. She must 137 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: have thought she was our sif PRO professor because she 138 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: had us writing petitions, motions, discovery and so when like 139 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: that stuff pops up in my class, I get so excited, 140 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: Like I'm looking at my old folder at my stuff 141 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: to try to better understand it, because before I was 142 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: just kind of going through the motions because that's what 143 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: she told me to do, and that what she said 144 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: lawyers did, and I had the rules and stuff, but 145 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: I didn't understand the justification in the years of history 146 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: and cases that got us to that point. I was 147 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: going through the motion. So now having that background makes 148 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: it a little bit more exciting. I'm not gonna say 149 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: that it's the easiest class, because it's not, but just 150 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: like having some familiarity to hold onto, I think has 151 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: been helpful so far. Have there been any doubts about 152 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: going to law school or has it fulfilled the expectations 153 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: that you were anticipating going into these programs. I think 154 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: there was more fear before I got here. And I'll say, 155 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: first of all, I'm glad, like I'm grateful for the 156 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: experiences that I've had because I think I'm in a 157 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: much better place now because of that. I hope I'm 158 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: making sense of this, But basically, I've dealt with imposture 159 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: syndrome for years, anxiety for years. But through summer programs 160 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: that you know, during undergrad or through mock trial, or 161 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: just through my professor's really supporting me, my parents, I think, 162 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: not necessarily that that got rid of all of my 163 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: issues or anything, but it equipped me for you know, 164 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: this space. I could be having a million breakdowns a day, 165 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: and of course there are tough moments. I've had a 166 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: couple of tears here and there, but I think just 167 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: I've been trained to lean on God and family, and 168 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm not in the place that I thought I would be. 169 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: In fact, like, I'll go to class and there are 170 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: some days where I'm bored. I'm not gonna lie, but 171 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: there are other times where I'm just so excited to 172 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: be there and learn. And that's something that I used 173 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: to feel like as a kid, like learning about history 174 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: or something like that, just like I genuinely liked school, 175 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: and that's obviously what I'm here today. But I felt 176 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: like not all of my classes at Dillard, of course, 177 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: but you know, as I have finished my major courses 178 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: and I just was like taking electives here or there, 179 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: I lost kind of that excitement. And then, of course, 180 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: with my priority for a lot of the time being 181 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: mock trial, I didn't allow myself room to grow in 182 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: a lot of areas. And I think here I get 183 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: that childlike feeling back, and I'm just you know, excite, 184 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: like my brain is a sponge. And I thought I 185 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: was gonna go in here that coming straight from college, 186 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be dried up and that 187 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't abdure any more information. But that's definitely not 188 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: the case for me. I think we went into this 189 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: knowing it was gonna be very difficult. I can't even 190 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: count how many times, like when I've told somebody whether 191 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: it was like a pre law director Dillard, or like 192 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: I asked another like person who I knew who went 193 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: to law school is currently in law school. They were like, 194 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: law school is extremely hard? Law school is this law school? 195 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: Is that? I didn't really hear any nice things about 196 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: law school, so I came into it. You know, it's 197 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: gonna be really difficult. It's not going to be the 198 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: easiest thing. So you just kind of have to, you know, 199 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: manage your expectations and just be like, look, it's it's 200 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: gonna be getting ready, getting right to work. It's just 201 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: all about managing your expectations. But I feel like, like 202 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: I knew I came here, I had a job to do, 203 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: and I got people that are counting on me to 204 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: complete that job. So I'm a dude, what needs to 205 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: be done? What is the hardest part for me? At least, 206 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: I think the hardest part is just like running off 207 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: a very little sleep, because on mine, I can tell you, 208 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: like I love to take a nice nap. I used 209 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: to take naps every day. I scheduled in a nap 210 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: every single day. I wake up at like six thirty 211 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: every day and I don't go to sleep until like two. 212 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: So it's it's very tiring, it's very exhausting, and you're 213 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: expected to digest all of this information off a very 214 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: little sleep and very little food and a whole bunch 215 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: of coffee. I did. I did not used to drink coffee. 216 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: Now I drink coffee every day. It's just the hardest 217 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: part is just like balancing taking care of yourself and 218 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: taking care of business. I kind of have to second 219 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: that it's not necessarily that much of a thing for 220 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: me this time around, because knows, there's been moments where 221 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: I've been passing out getting sick because as a mock trial, 222 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: and so I just had it beat into me that 223 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: I needed to start taking care of myself. And now 224 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: I'm just now starting to do it. So the least 225 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: amount of sleep I'll allow myself to have is like 226 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: six hours. I'm trying to take care of myself. I 227 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: think for me though, the worst part about it, and 228 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: I think Logen could agree with this. We're kind of perfectionists, 229 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: and I think even if we're not immediately good at something. 230 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: We train ourselves until the thing that scares us the 231 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: most is what we're the best at. So like, even 232 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: with objections, there was times like in high school, I 233 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: never objected. I might respond well to it, but I 234 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't have, you know, the guts to just object if 235 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: I didn't think of all of the twelve arguments that 236 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: might come after that objection. And I just beat that 237 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: into me until you know, I got it right and 238 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: it didn't become It's not perfect now, but I didn't 239 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: get to be a Maya by you know, not practicing, 240 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: and it took me all throughout college to get there. 241 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: And with this, like, we have so little time in 242 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: the day that you have to kind of decide, Okay, 243 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: am I gonna give this time to myself and rest 244 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: and for me, I'm I'm religious. Am I gonna read 245 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: the Bible during this one hour free time? Am I 246 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: gonna go to the gym? Am I gonna read whatever 247 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: cases I have that I haven't finished for tomorrow? Am 248 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: I gonna do some additional work and look at old 249 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: tests and try to figure out how I would solve 250 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: the problems on the test. And it's it's difficult trying 251 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: to find and prioritize your time in that way. And 252 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm a very organized person with my planner and stuff 253 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: like that, but even just choosing not to do a 254 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: reading is such a big thing. And then now I 255 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: feel like I'm behind. And I also feel like because 256 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily get full credit on this one assignment, 257 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: that means I don't understand it, when in reality, this 258 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: is something that I've been doing for years at a 259 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: law firm and I do understand it. I just can't 260 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: fully flesh out my argument. And as I'm talking now, 261 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm realizing that that's not a new problem. Like I've 262 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: understood concepts in mock trial, but it took me a 263 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: long time to fully flesh out that argument and understand 264 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: or get other people to understand why I was right. 265 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: I think I just have to apply that same type 266 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: of practice to my work here. So yeah, just saying 267 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: that out loud kind of makes me feel better. But 268 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: I think just allowing myself room to grow and understanding 269 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: that it's not gonna come overnight it's still hard though. 270 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: Definitely they want you to forget that their family is 271 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: counting on us to do what's just They want you 272 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: to forget that their family wakes up every single day 273 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: hoping that they'll see their son again, that they want 274 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: to believe that this is all a dream, that they 275 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: cry at the thought of someone else taking over his 276 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: locker or his seat at the dinner table. Members of 277 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: the jury, the real victim is not here today. The 278 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: villain in today's case is the defendant. Defendant is the 279 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: person with the plan. The defendant is the person with 280 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: the motive. The defendant is the person who, the day 281 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: after the fire, was not even enough time to mourn 282 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: their business. Requested at one point five million dollars in full, 283 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: members of the jury, do what's justin today's case. We've 284 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: done our job. We've proven these elements to you beyond 285 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt. So now it's your time, your moment, 286 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: to do what's right in today's case, and to show 287 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: the defendant that when they burn their building they can't 288 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: get away with it. We must hold them accountable, find 289 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: them guilty. Thank you, thank you. Yes, yes. Maybe For 290 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: those listeners who are currently at an HBCU like you were, 291 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: uh and thinking about going to law school, is there 292 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: any transition or is there something that you feel like 293 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: it's important to point out for those students who might 294 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: be going into a school that's not an HBCU for 295 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: law school. I've been saying this since before I even 296 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: got into law school. First of all, when I was 297 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: even talking about applying to an HBCU, I had friends 298 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: very confused as to why, and I constantly had them 299 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: had to make the argument, like why HBCUs were so valuable. 300 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: My mom went to one, so that's why I knew. 301 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: And I even got into n y U. They didn't 302 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: give me any money, but I was encouraged by like 303 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: a counselor to go there instead because the degree would 304 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: be worth more. And to a lot of people that 305 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: might seem true. But I've done summer programs where people 306 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: from Ivy League institutions will say, we don't have anything 307 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: close to what the pre law program at Dealer is 308 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: offering you. So we have the lead program there for 309 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: two hundred dollars and you can get some of that back. 310 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: They're offering us what six five months of els at prep. 311 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: Other schools are are not offering that number one, or 312 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: the students are having to pay thousands of dollars for 313 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: private tutoring. And I just think that the support is unmatched, 314 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: and with black faculty understanding the obstacles that we're going 315 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: to have to go through to reach like a minimal 316 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: amount of success as our white counterparts. I think that 317 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: to me is extremely valuable and and a lot of 318 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: fields were responsible for the most black professionals, So I 319 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: I'm very adamant about this that we are. You know, 320 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: we can hold our own and even here do I 321 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: know everything coming in? No? Are there things that I 322 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: don't know, of course, but it doesn't scare me like 323 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: I thought it would. In fact, I'm just like, oh, 324 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that, I'll know it after a couple 325 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: of classes. It doesn't intimidate me at all. There are 326 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: some things too that I think any black person would 327 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: experience that might come from a similar background. Is me like, 328 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: there are just some things that in my community we 329 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily talk about, or in my family we didn't 330 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: talk about that. That comes up there even times where 331 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm sitting in class and we're talking about a case 332 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: and in my head, I'm like, we could have sued 333 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: for that, or we needed a lawyer for that, And 334 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: it makes me excited that now my family is going 335 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: to have somebody to kind of lean on even though, 336 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: like I'm just one little girl, but somebody who you 337 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: know can be that bridge and you know, provide that 338 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: type of access to just to their family, regardless of 339 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: like the the entire community. But that to me is exciting, 340 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: and so it provides us a different type of awareness 341 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: about the implications of these laws and you know the 342 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: impact that it's going to have on our community that 343 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: only HBCU students are only black students are going to 344 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: be able to offer and you know, talking that through 345 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: with some of the black students in my class who 346 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: didn't go to an hbc U, but us being able 347 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: to here our experiences, that to me, like has made 348 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: it a little bit better. So yeah, I think we 349 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: we hold our own And if you go to an HBCU, 350 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: do not think that you because you didn't go to 351 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: Columbia or whatever school, that you couldn't get into these 352 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: places or thrive in these places, because that's absolutely not true. 353 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: I didn't apply to any hbc U law school. I 354 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: did not. I have my HBCU experience and I'm thankful 355 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: for that. I love my HBCU, but I want to 356 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: experience other things, like whether we like it or not, 357 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: an h b c U is not going to be 358 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: representative of what the legal profession is going to look like. 359 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: It's not. HBCUs definitely have their place, And I loved 360 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: my undergrad experience. I felt like I needed to branch 361 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: out and go to a different institution. I will say, though, 362 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: if like you're coming from an hbc U undergrad and 363 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: wanted to go to like a p w I law school, 364 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: you are automatically going to make friends with every black 365 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: person on that campus. You Like, it's almost always, that's 366 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: just what it is. During orientation, it's like we all 367 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: locked eyes with each other and we're like, we're friends now. 368 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: No matter what, we're friends now. So you automatically are 369 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: going to get some friends. At least that's what happened 370 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: at my law school. But if the the thing that 371 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 1: is scaring you the most is that there's not going 372 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: to be anyone that looks like me, I no longer 373 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: like consider that like an argument that's gonna hold like 374 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: too much weight, because whether we like it or not, 375 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't gonna look like us. This 376 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: field is not representative of the population of the United 377 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: States at all, Like they are very very little black 378 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: faces in this profession, and depending on where you want 379 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: to practice, there can be even fewer. Sometimes you're just 380 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: you're just gonna have to do it, and you're gonna 381 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: just have to have that support system, regardless if it's 382 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: with peers that you make, the black faculty at your school, 383 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: or even staying in contact with your friends who went 384 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: to an HBC you with you, like talking to Amya, 385 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: talking to my other friends, just staying connected with them 386 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: and make sure making sure you have your support Systeff 387 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: And honestly, your family is going to be the most 388 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: important thing. That's what has been the most important thing 389 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: to me since I moved back, being with my family 390 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: and being close to them. They have really supported me here. 391 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: So just don't let that scare you. You will be 392 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: just fine. Be run into any mock trialers that you 393 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: went up against. No, for me, I feel like the 394 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: memorable people and that sounds kind of like bad, But 395 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: the memorable people for me, um, I know where they're at, 396 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: Like they go to a different law school and they 397 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: were older than me, and then I know a couple 398 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: of younger ones. But yeah, I haven't met any competitors 399 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: though I don't know that I would maybe I would 400 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: say something, but in my head for some reason, unless 401 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: like I've gotten to know them outside of mock trial, 402 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: They're always competition. I have not ran into but I 403 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: have been made aware of a presence of a former competitor. 404 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: One of my close friends who currently go se UC Berkeley, 405 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: who I went to high school with, told me like, hey, 406 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: one of our captains actually go see you see Hastings 407 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: and we scrimmaged against them to prepare for nationals. I'm like, 408 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, now I'm gonna see her during tryouts. 409 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: Look at that. I bring up mo trial all the 410 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: time because I'm a nerd. I haven't really met anyone 411 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: who's been like, yeah, I did it all four years. 412 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: I competed with this and this, this, So no, not 413 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: that yet. Is it too early to tell what differences 414 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: what uniqueness you bring to law school right now from 415 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: doing four years mock try I mean you did mention 416 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: certainly getting a case, going through the case and preparing 417 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: in that sense, like what is some of the unique 418 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: things that you have recognized that you bring with that experience. 419 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: I just know certain terms that people don't know. So 420 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: when the professor asked, what does this mean, I'm the 421 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: only person that raises my hand, and then I just 422 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: look kind of smart everyone else because I've already I 423 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: know what I know what it means to impeach a witness, 424 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: and I know what admissible versus inadmissible evidence is. It's 425 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: some of that for me. We don't There are some 426 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: classes where we don't really get to raise our hand 427 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: and ask questions just because there's any of us and 428 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: we don't have time to get through everyone. So I 429 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: don't volunteer a lot. But when I first started out, 430 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't writing out like ten page case briefs. My 431 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: case briefs are like a page, maybe two pages, and 432 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: so I can distill the important facts a lot quicker. 433 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: And then I think too. A lot of the times, 434 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: if I'm talking to somebody hearing what they are assuming 435 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: to be it is important is not necessarily what I 436 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: took away from it. And sometimes that's helpful for me, 437 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: but other times I think it just shows like, oh, 438 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: because of my experience, I'm able to figure out what 439 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: the rule is very quickly figure out what the important 440 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: facts associated with that rule are, and I don't spend 441 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: as much time on it, and I think It's also 442 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: helpful in my lar w writing when I'm doing a 443 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: memo because um at the firm, because I didn't go 444 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: to law school already, she kind of let me formulate 445 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: like what my arguments would be or what I thought 446 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: they would be, and then have bullet points. But with 447 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: mock trial, I was able to organize things by elements 448 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: through my speech and through my writing, and I think 449 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: it's more helpful when I do have, um a law 450 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: that has more clear elements. And I think that's where 451 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: like my analytical reasoning shines more is when I have that. Now, 452 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: when the law isn't clear, I don't know what to 453 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: tell you, but UM, yeah, I think it's helpful for that. 454 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: I do want to ask if you've reached out or 455 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: have heard from this skin bro or or from Judge Res. 456 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: I have heard from Judge Reyes, me and Judge Res 457 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: text all the time. Just drawing upon experienced as a 458 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: trial litigator. You always have to be able to maintain 459 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: your composure. There will be times when people will shock you, 460 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: there will be times when people will anger you. There 461 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: will probably be times when cases can get unbelievably sad, 462 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: and you run through the range of human emotion. But 463 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: you always have to be a professional, and that's what 464 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: I stressed with them, And you always have to be 465 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: prepared to go forward just being an alarm and knowing 466 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: that our hard work, the work that me and Maya 467 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: and like so many others put in didn't go unnoticed 468 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: by the amptle world. So he messaged me the other 469 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: day and was like, Dillard just received an invite to 470 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: the University of Virginia's UVAS Great American Mock Trial Invitational 471 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: and it's invite only and it's one of the best 472 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: tournaments that you can get invited to. Our team got 473 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: invited to that because of what we did to get 474 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: to Nationals. I'm just like the work I put in 475 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: did something so like everybody knows who we are. We're 476 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: getting our name out there. It's getting the people you 477 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: know are coming after us these opportunities to go to 478 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: these really important tournaments. So I can just hope that 479 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: the momentum continues, that we keep getting invited to these 480 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: big tournaments, that we keep going to Nationals. That's fantastic, 481 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: that's really great. I first want to just mention something 482 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: that Lagene failed to mention. I don't know like the 483 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: opportunity was right there. Lagen's name is in one of 484 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: the cases for the current mock trial case. It's her 485 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: and another teammate, Renee Simeon. I think they've mentioned Dillard 486 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: last year, but this is the first time that two 487 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: of our members have been named in an empty case. 488 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: And first of all, me and Lagen have dreams of 489 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: creating our own um matra case when we when we 490 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: get on the committee after law school. But this is 491 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: just like solidifying our future. So we get case law, 492 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: so we have a case that they can use to 493 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: like help further their argument. It's Simeon v. Shelton. My 494 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: friend from Berkeley literally texted me the other day and 495 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: was like, literally, we heard your case name getting mentioned 496 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: so many times at this tournament we were at. I'm 497 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: important case law, Like important everybody is saying my last 498 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: day at every competition across the country. And Mrs Kimbro, 499 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: if you heard from her, and what's that been on? Well, 500 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: first of all, Judge ree Um, he's always offering encouraging 501 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: words telling me to take care of myself. Of course, 502 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: Mrs Kimro, we do text anytime I hear something crazy 503 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: in class or you know, just talking about mock trial. 504 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: Like a couple of days ago, someone on the team 505 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: called me asking for advice, and we we're talking about 506 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: it because I guess that someone else was doing the 507 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: same thing with her. I'm hoping that she's gonna be 508 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: out here very soon so I'll be able to see 509 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 1: her face to face. I'm very grateful to still have 510 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: both of them in my life. To echo abias point, 511 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: people from this team still call and ask me about 512 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: what certain like what this how can I apply this 513 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: rule of evidence? What does this case law mean? How 514 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: do you argue this again? And I'm just like, okay, 515 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: I can take a break from towards to like tell 516 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: you how it is. But how have you heard anything? 517 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: How is the team doing? I think it's going where 518 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: it should be going. I think there are some frustrations 519 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: because it's the beginning of the season and there are 520 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: some people stepping up to the plate who have never 521 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: been leaders on the team before that are kind of 522 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: just trying to find, you know, their style of leadership, 523 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: which is normal. I think sometimes we also forget where 524 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: we came from when it comes to mock trial. Like, 525 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: once we've gained us certain amount of experience. We forget 526 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: about what our frustrations were when we were like first 527 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: year students on the team. So I think now that 528 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: they're they're finally starting to realize, like all of the 529 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: ins and outs that me and Lajeni were doing behind 530 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: the scenes. Mrs Kimberrow, I think they thought, oh, Ms 531 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: kimber and Judgeries just get together and put their favorites 532 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: as the closer, closers and openers, and they didn't realize, oh, 533 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: somebody has to be actually planning the schedule to get 534 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: us to the competition. Someone has to be thinking about 535 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: if you place this person in this role, what happens 536 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: if this other person They don't. I don't think that 537 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: they really understood until they got to that point. It 538 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: shows some type of appreciation for stuff that me and 539 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: Lajene were doing. It feels rewarding though that your your 540 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 1: work didn't go overlook, like La Jennie said, um that 541 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: people still feel like they can lean on you, because 542 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: of course they can. Um. So I always try to 543 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: set aside time for people who need my help. Well, 544 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: this has been great and it's always great to see 545 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: you and here from you, and we're just supposed very 546 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: proud of you. I know we have no license to 547 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 1: be proud of you, but just to be someone who 548 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: spend a little bit of time with you and telling 549 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: your story. You know, every time I see something that 550 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: you post or that you're doing, I'm just you know, 551 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm just really proud of you, and we want to 552 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: stay in touch and keep hearing great things from you. 553 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: Thank you. Wait, I just want to say this, Dillard, Uh, 554 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: everybody on the team. When y'all hear this, we love y'all, 555 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: We miss y'all. We're rooting for y'all. Can't wait to 556 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: see all at Nationals. 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