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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridgie Todd, and this

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Speaker 1: is there Are No Girls on the Internet. After the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruling deeming affirmative action discriminatory, we were following

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Speaker 1: the pending Supreme Court ruling on whether or not grant

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Speaker 1: programs that support black women entrepreneurs are discriminatory too. And

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Speaker 1: just like that Affirmative action suit, this one was brought

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Speaker 1: to us by certified enemy of the show, conservative activist

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Speaker 1: Edward Blum. Now at the heart of this case is

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta based group Fearless Fund, a grant program that

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Speaker 1: supports black women entrepreneurs. And I have a little sad news,

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Speaker 1: which is that a US Federal Court of Appeals panel

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Speaker 1: has suspended Fearless Fund's critical work of giving financial support

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Speaker 1: to black women own businesses, a ruling that I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: to say seems to suggest that Blum is likely to

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Speaker 1: prevail in his lawsuit claiming that such programs are discriminatory.

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Speaker 1: This could have a ripple effect, threatening any program designed

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Speaker 1: to support certain marginalized or underrepresented communities. Now, the ruling

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Speaker 1: against Fearless Fun is just another victory for conservative groups

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Speaker 1: who are waging a sprawling legal battle against things like

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Speaker 1: corporate diversity programs and in doing so, of targeted companies

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Speaker 1: and government institutions. So here's a conversation that I had

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Speaker 1: with my friends Samantha and Anny over at the podcast

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Speaker 1: stuff Mom never told you about how exactly we got

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Speaker 1: here and what could be next.

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Speaker 2: The man who.

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Speaker 1: Brought us the legal challenge that struck down affirmative action

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Speaker 1: coming for grants and the fellowships that support marginalized people.

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Speaker 1: So you all probably recall that earlier this summer, back

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Speaker 1: in June, the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action, ruling

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Speaker 1: that race can no longer play a part in college admissions. Notably,

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Speaker 1: the decision just applied to race. It did not apply

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Speaker 1: to gender or things like legacy status or donor status

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Speaker 1: being considered in the college admissions process. Separately, some colleges,

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Speaker 1: like Harvard have signaled that they might start re examining

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Speaker 1: the role that things like legacy status plays in college

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Speaker 1: admissions in light of that Supreme Court ruling. Do you

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Speaker 1: all remember this? I remember when the ruling was struck down.

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Speaker 2: How big.

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Speaker 1: It felt, especially being a big Supreme Court ruling about

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Speaker 1: a year after the after Row was struck down. It

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Speaker 1: felt like, you know, one big torrent of rain and

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Speaker 1: then another big torrent of rain to continue your metaphor, Anie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, metaphor nicely done.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, No, it definitely did because that was at

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Speaker 4: the end of the Supreme Court session and there had

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Speaker 4: just been a lot of I mean, they turned out

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Speaker 4: to be true, but a lot of fear around like

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Speaker 4: what will they do?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: It just made like all of these many decisions.

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Speaker 2: In one day.

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Speaker 3: In one day.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's odd because I was absolutely alive,

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Speaker 5: and I think, like talking about trying to get into

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Speaker 5: action was coming into debate to begin with, and to

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Speaker 5: see it like this, I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: be very transparent here as growing up in a white

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Speaker 5: household who are very conservative, not around any marginalized groups

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Speaker 5: outside of me who they rescued and put that in

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Speaker 5: air quotes out of like a marginalized a bad situation.

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Speaker 5: Seeing what they were saying was feded into me and

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Speaker 5: being like, yeah, I absolutely agreed that I should not

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Speaker 5: get I don't want to be given a special spot

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Speaker 5: because of my race.

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Speaker 3: I want to earn it.

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Speaker 5: Like I said that out loud to my family before

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Speaker 5: I started college, in any of that, not understanding what

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Speaker 5: it really was. And I truly believe my parents believe that.

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Speaker 5: I don't think my siblings believe that because they're they

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Speaker 5: are educated and they'd understand, but I truly believe that

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Speaker 5: because that was what was fed into me.

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Speaker 3: So I have this real, like ugh ick feeling.

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Speaker 5: About this whole action because the face of the suit

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Speaker 5: was an Asian man who was bitter little baby that

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Speaker 5: I feel like so many ways about it, and then

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Speaker 5: coming into college on my own and then understanding what

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Speaker 3: So it was it felt like so gross.

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Speaker 5: To know that I was manipulated like that at my

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Speaker 5: numbers and why affirmative action was and is necessary. But again,

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Speaker 5: because of that rhetoric being around, it wasn't surprising that

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I have like this.

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Speaker 5: Ache and like mourning and guilt, guilt by association and

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Speaker 5: guilt by like past actions that I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: what is this? Like part of what I was spewing

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Speaker 5: is part of the reason this is undone. Of course,

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Speaker 5: the bigger picture is again white supremacists and their power

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I have very strong feelings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I first of all, thank you for sharing that,

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Speaker 1: and I can kind of identify, I know how you feel.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that you need to have guilt for

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Speaker 1: having felt that way, because, first of all, we live

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Speaker 1: Like that is a tried and true method that bad

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Speaker 1: do it is because it's effective, and so it's not

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Speaker 1: surprising that it will be effective on you, a young person. Also,

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Speaker 1: the way that we talk about it, I think just

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Speaker 1: of the conversation. Right, So we talk so much about

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Speaker 1: And so we're talking about, like, oh, well, do you

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Speaker 1: But the reality is is that that is a myth

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Speaker 1: because the Department of Labor shows that the primary beneficiaries

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Speaker 2: So I would say, this is just.

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Speaker 1: My opinion, but I would say that there is an

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Speaker 1: outsized space given to conversations about affirmative action, which, as

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Speaker 1: I had a stat earlier, but it's some astronomical amount

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Speaker 1: And essentially what that is is like affirmative action for

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Speaker 1: rich people. Yet we don't even it's not even part

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Speaker 1: I would argue that like you were not given a

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Speaker 5: Right, Absolutely, I think in the understanding, as you are saying,

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Speaker 5: is that the rhetoric I was given was all anti black.

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Speaker 5: Like we're going to be very very specific in calling

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Speaker 5: it what it was. It wasn't about anything else. It

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Speaker 5: wasn't about me being a minority, or like being Asian

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Speaker 5: and a marginalized woman. Is literally they were trying to

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Speaker 3: They were staying the.

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Speaker 5: Quiet part out loud because that's all they see. That's

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Speaker 5: the big enemy that is built up against white people,

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Speaker 5: which is so disgusting and it's very prevalent.

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Speaker 3: Like that's the real understanding. We you need to have.

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Speaker 5: That whole fact and all that conversation is this is

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Speaker 5: an anti black movement, and in that it had, it

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Speaker 5: did not It did not actually help the black community

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Speaker 5: that much at all. It really did not bring in,

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Speaker 5: as you said, statistically black people into colleges. It was

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Speaker 5: again more white women, all white women essentially. And then

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Speaker 5: again the legacy, those are the people who are still

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Speaker 5: reasonable interest rate, all of those things. But for some reason,

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Speaker 5: but they built a boogieman in order to make sure

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Speaker 5: they're like, hey, this is a battle we can win.

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Speaker 5: We've always won with this fact.

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Speaker 3: Let's do this.

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Speaker 1: Anti blackness is always that is a train that's always

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Speaker 1: on time. So what's interesting about what you just said

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Speaker 1: according to a twenty fourteen Cooperative Congressional Election study, nearly

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Speaker 1: be into it, you should be against it. That rhetoric

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Speaker 1: actually ends up hurting all marginalized people, whether you're a

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So, Annie, you were saying how Asian Americans were kind

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Speaker 1: affirmative action, and that is very much by design because

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Speaker 1: of this guy who is a conservative litigant named Edward Blum.

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Speaker 1: I call him a litigant because that's like kind of

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Speaker 1: what he is, like a professional lawsuit bringer. He is

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Speaker 1: which he then uses to try to set legal presidents.

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Speaker 1: He is the founder and sole member of an organization

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Speaker 1: called Project on Fair Representation, which he found that in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, which focuses on voting, education, contracting, employment,

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Speaker 1: bringing legal challenges to strike down laws that I would

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Speaker 2: More on this later. However, if you were to ask him,

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Speaker 1: Probably say that it's not that he wants to elevate

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Speaker 2: Have y'all eaten there?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

441
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was near my house, so I lived.

442
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, Samantha, I was smart and went during the Super Bowl,

443
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 4: so there was no one there.

444
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: So they stay open till two am.

445
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Speaker 5: And so when the Super Bowl lots because it's always

446
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 5: packed out, and we went at it still took forever.

447
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Speaker 3: They made good food. It takes a while, but yeah,

448
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Speaker 3: we would. I think there only been once though I

449
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 3: don't stand in lines.

450
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Speaker 4: It was a long line.

451
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Speaker 2: I've never been, but I.

452
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Speaker 5: And she has expanded that business everywhere, especially in Atlanta

453
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Speaker 5: and then Georgia.

454
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Speaker 3: So good on her and owns a lot of property.

455
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Speaker 1: That wouldn't be possible without the Fearless Fund And so

456
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: the lawsuit that Blum is bringing centers on the Fearless

457
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Speaker 1: Funds Fearless Strivers Grant Contest, which awards black women who

458
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Speaker 1: own a small businesses twenty thousand dollars in grants and

459
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Speaker 1: digital tools to help them grow their businesses and mentorship opportunities.

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Speaker 1: So interestingly enough, Blama did not seek out the Fearless

461
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Speaker 1: fund to sue, but rather, he says that a non

462
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Speaker 1: black woman who runs a business reached out to him

463
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Speaker 1: via email and flagged like, did you know that these

464
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: black women are running a grant program that I can't

465
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Speaker 1: be part of?

466
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Speaker 2: And so the Washington.

467
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Speaker 1: Post reports, but the lawsuit sites three female business owners,

468
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Speaker 1: one from New York and two from Virginia who argued

469
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Speaker 1: that they could have benefited from the Fearless Funds grant program,

470
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Speaker 1: but they were ineligible because they are not black. So yeah,

471
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Speaker 1: these non black women basically just felt like they should

472
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Speaker 1: be entitled to this grant program that black women established

473
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Speaker 1: for themselves to support black women.

474
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Speaker 2: They were like, we should have a piece of that.

475
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Speaker 5: That's such an interesting take because I'm like, well, you

476
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 5: also didn't get it from every other business grant ever,

477
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Speaker 5: so why are you choosing this like you.

478
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Speaker 3: Want did you try for it?

479
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 5: This just seems like a lazy part of like I

480
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 5: want this one thing, I couldn't get it.

481
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Speaker 3: I quit They're biased, like.

482
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is just my opinion, but like

483
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: it's so hard to not see this as like just

484
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: hater vibes, like everything has to be for you, and

485
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: if it's not for you, you have to shut it down.

486
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to what we were saying

487
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Speaker 1: earlier about the women who benefit from affirmative action are

488
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Speaker 1: also the ones who are the most likely to be

489
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Speaker 1: against it.

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Speaker 2: I firmly believe that there is enough.

491
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Speaker 1: Out there for all of us. And I'm an entrepreneur, right,

492
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Speaker 1: so I know how hard the funding spaces for women,

493
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Speaker 1: all women, but I know how hard it is for

494
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Speaker 1: black women, in particular as a black woman.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into some of the stats and just a moment, but.

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Speaker 1: I believe that despite that, there is enough for everyone.

497
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Speaker 1: Everyone will find their lane, everyone will find their people,

498
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Speaker 1: Everyone will find what they need to make what they

499
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Speaker 1: want happen. I believe that as like a like a

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Speaker 1: meditation that keeps me in this work and keeps me

501
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Speaker 1: being an entrepreneur.

502
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Speaker 2: But I feel like the dynamic that.

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Speaker 1: Says that women need to be pit against each other,

504
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Speaker 1: that if you're a white woman, you need to be

505
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: trying to shut down a grant that is for black women.

506
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Speaker 1: That's not a dynamic that helps anybody, right, And so

507
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Speaker 1: I think that we all have.

508
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Speaker 2: Our place, we all have our niche urs, and that

509
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: for all of us.

510
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Speaker 1: But that dynamic that we are enemies only serve that

511
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Speaker 1: does not serve anybody. It doesn't serve me, it doesn't

512
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Speaker 1: serve it. It ultimately won't serve them as either. It

513
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: just keeps us pit against each other as opposed to

514
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Speaker 1: these larger systems that are actually holding us all down.

515
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Speaker 5: It's such a mind blade that they have to people

516
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 5: have to go through to be like, Okay, I can't

517
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 5: get this one thing because they say I can't have it,

518
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Speaker 5: so that means no one should have it, because I'm

519
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 5: gonna be miserable, and so are you. Misery List company,

520
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 5: We're going to keep this mentality going and then also

521
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 5: not look at the like, here's the small thing versus

522
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 5: the giant amount of stuff that you also can't give

523
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 5: because you're not a rich white man, but you don't

524
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Speaker 5: care about that thing, Like that's the one thing that's

525
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 5: a little bit more accessible to tear someone down who

526
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 5: other people will help you tear down with instead of

527
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 5: this big, giant amount of cash that's just sitting here

528
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 5: for the white man, Like it's just I said for

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Speaker 5: the white man, like I'm a native, but like that,

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Speaker 5: you know, that's just like mind level of like how

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Speaker 5: much you're willing to ignore to be like, Okay, I'm

532
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Speaker 5: at the bottom. Who can I make lesser than me?

533
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Speaker 5: Who can I push down further than me? So at

534
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 5: the very least I'm not at the very bottom. Oh

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Speaker 5: my god, it's such a mind trick.

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Speaker 1: This reminds me of when I was a little kid

537
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: and my brother had this like free coupon for an

538
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: ice cream from McDonald's that he got from school. So

539
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: he went to McDonald's together and he got one ice

540
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: cream and I didn't have any money because we were

541
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: little kids, and so they gave him his ice cream

542
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: and I got very jealous, and so I smacked it

543
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: out of his hand onto the ground, and.

544
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: He was like, I was gonna give you a bite.

545
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: That's like, because I was like, I don't want him

546
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Speaker 1: to get something that I can't have.

547
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Speaker 2: It really got a flattering.

548
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Speaker 1: Story, but I was like seven years old, right, It's

549
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: like he was.

550
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: Gonna give me a bite.

551
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: So I missed out on getting my bite because I

552
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: could not just let him have something that I wanted

553
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: and felt entitled.

554
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Speaker 3: To you immediately and probably earned. I'm thinking of an

555
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Speaker 3: accelerated reader.

556
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: What it was like.

557
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Speaker 1: It was like a if you read X amount of books,

558
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: you get an ice an ice cream coupon or something.

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Speaker 5: I weren't for this, but yeah, I think this is

560
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 5: so interesting. And the fact that he, of course Blum

561
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 5: had to pounce on this, I'm sure it was like

562
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 5: a gift for him.

563
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I must take this.

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00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: He was like, ooh, I was looking for a way

565
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: to spread my hater vibes and yeah, sure that Supreme

566
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: Court ruling and now this lands.

567
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: This gift, lands in my inbox.

568
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: And also makes me stronger, stronger than the woman who's complaining.

569
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Speaker 1: Exactly, So Blum is using what he has called quote

570
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: the shoe on the other foot test. The rhetorical strategy

571
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: that he asked himself is if a grant program funded

572
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: white male business owners, would it be considered fair. But

573
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: that test, like you were saying, Sam, really assumes that

574
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: we are all equal and all have equal access, which

575
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: the data could not paint a clearer picture about the

576
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: fact that that is not happening. Black women are the

577
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Speaker 1: fastest rising group of entrepreneurs in the country. According to

578
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: the Harvard Business Review, in the US, an astounding seventeen

579
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: percent of Black women are in the process of starting

580
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: or running a new business. That's compared to just ten

581
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: percent of white women and fifteen percent of white men. Yet,

582
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: despite this lead, only three percent of women are running

583
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: mature businesses. Why well, One big reason is access to capital.

584
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: Harvard Business Reviews research found that sixty one percent of

585
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: Black women self fund their total startup capital. This is

586
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that, in their finding, only

587
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: twenty nine percent of Black women entrepreneurs live in households

588
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: with incomes over seventy five thousand dollars, compared to fifty

589
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: two percent of white men. This data is also combined

590
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Speaker 1: with data suggesting that Black women are less likely to

591
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Speaker 1: own our own homesick on a higher level of debt

592
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Speaker 1: to do things like go to college, and are often

593
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Speaker 1: like saddled with debt to go to college right, and

594
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: so ultimately that leaves us saddled with more debt and

595
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: having fewer personal resources and low collateral. Black entrepreneurs typically

596
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: receive less than two percent of all venture capital dollars

597
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: each year while companies led by black women receive less

598
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: than one percent of all funding. This is according to Crunchbase.

599
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Speaker 1: So yeah, the funding landscape is not great for black women.

600
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Speaker 1: Less than one percent of funding goes to us.

601
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Speaker 2: And so the fact that we already.

602
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Don't get that much, that there are grants and investment

603
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: funds specifically aimed at shifting those numbers just a tiny bit,

604
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Speaker 1: like the Fearless Fund, and that people are saying, no,

605
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Speaker 1: we need to go for that too, that less than

606
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Speaker 1: one percent that goes to y'all that needs to go

607
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: to us. Now, in twenty twenty, Pew found that just

608
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Speaker 1: three percent of US businesses were black owned, eighty six

609
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: percent were white owned. And so, yeah, as I said, like,

610
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: as an entrepreneur, these kind of dismal numbers completely aligned

611
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: with my own experiences trying to raise money for projects

612
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: that I want to do.

613
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: There's just not a lot out there, and you really

614
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: have to.

615
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: Stay focused and stay positive and not really let the

616
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: sort of numbers around how dismal things can be kind.

617
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Speaker 2: Of get in your head.

618
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Speaker 1: But then on top of it, when you have people

619
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Speaker 1: like Blum and these women that he's representing in this

620
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: case to challenge these funds to challenge what little is

621
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: out there for black entrepreneurs who are women. It's hard

622
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Speaker 1: to internalize that as anything other than they don't want

623
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Speaker 1: us here.

624
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: They don't want us to have anything, you know.

625
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And it's so frustrating too, because a lot

626
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: of companies like to act like they are supporting marginalized people,

627
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Speaker 4: they are supporting black people, and they make these like

628
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: outward promises and then just don't really follow through with them.

629
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Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all might remember or be thinking like I got

630
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, like, after all the racial justice uprisings

631
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: on the wake of the murder of George Floyd. I

632
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: thought that all these businesses and funds and grants were

633
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: like going to start funding more diverse people and like

634
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: having a more inclusive portfolio.

635
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Speaker 2: While I remember all those promises too.

636
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Speaker 1: Businesses committed three hundred and forty billion dollars between May

637
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and October twenty twenty two, according to McKenzie,

638
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: and The Post also reports that investments swelled in the

639
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: startup world. A record five point one billion dollars in

640
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: funding was allocated to black founded startups in twenty twenty one.

641
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: That sounds like a lot. However, all of that interest

642
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: and excitement and commitment pretty much eroded very quickly, with

643
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: funding for black founded startups plunging fifty percent in twenty

644
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: twenty two. So remember this is all happening against the

645
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: pendulum kind of swinging back the other way where all

646
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: of these corporate diversity efforts became a political lightning rod,

647
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: and these employers just sort of backpedaled, right, And so

648
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: I think that that's where we're at now, where in

649
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty people talk to a lot of big games

650
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: about money they were going to give and funds they

651
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 1: were going to give, and how they were gonna, you know,

652
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: support inclusive people and startups and YadA, YadA, YadA, and

653
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: all of those promises just fizzled out, right, And I

654
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: think that we're sort of seeing I would argue, like

655
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: a backlash to that now, where diversity and inclusion staffers

656
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: are being let go. I think like recently Chick fil

657
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: A just like happened to have a diversity and inclusion

658
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: person on their staff, and like there was a flurry

659
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Speaker 1: of like online protests because of that, Like just having

660
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Speaker 1: somebody thinking about that on staff is now a lightning rod.

661
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: And so Obviously, in that kind of climate, these organizations

662
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: are not going to be funding black women even though

663
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: they canmitted to it. Even though it seemed like that

664
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: was there was a lot of excitement around that, Like Yeah,

665
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: I just think that we're in a completely different landscape

666
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: than we were in twenty twenty.

667
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 5: I mean, this is definitely that whole level of they

668
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 5: want good publicity, but they're not going to follow through.

669
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 5: It's the black square. Let me pretend like I care,

670
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 5: and at the very least I'll be like, hey, let's

671
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 5: tell the black people in the story like that's That's

672
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 5: as far as their their actual actions went was putting

673
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 5: something on Instagram that they obviously deleted soon after because

674
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: they wanted to look okay for one group of people.

675
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 5: And I found that interesting that people are mad at

676
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 5: Chick fil A because it's like they're anti LGBTQ plus.

677
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 5: So that's not enough for you. They need to be racist,

678
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 5: like all of these things in Lune enough for us

679
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 5: to support you. You better be super super racist and

680
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 5: super super homophobic in order for the conservatives. You can

681
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 5: hate everyone except for white as people. Yeah, if not,

682
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: we're not going to support you, even if your chicken

683
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 5: is okay.

684
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: So it and like this is a little like unrelated,

685
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: but like I think that with a lot of these people,

686
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: the Chick fil A example that you just gave is

687
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: a great example. A lot of these people like just

688
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: they'll find anything to be aggrieved about. Like you know,

689
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: I saw like Cracker Barrel was adding plant based sausage

690
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: to their menu, and people were like, plant based sausage.

691
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna shop at Cracker Barrel and I'm never

692
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: gonna go to Cracker Barrel again. And it's like they're

693
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: not taking regular sausage off the menu.

694
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: You don't have to order it.

695
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: Just because they're putting food on the menu that like

696
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: someone else might like, that's not you, that's cause for upset.

697
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: And so another thing I wanted to say about your point, Sam,

698
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: is that there's a makeup company, Tart, they got in

699
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: hot Water earlier this year because they were doing these

700
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: brand trips that looked as if they were not being

701
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: inclusive of black influencers. That they were asking black influencers

702
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: like after the fact to come and like giving them

703
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: substandard accommodations and all of that, and somebody found that

704
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, you know, they when they posted their

705
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: black square, this company was like, we pledge that we're

706
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: going to be more inclusive and give more, do more

707
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: partnerships with black and brown models, and blah blah blah.

708
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: And then they quietly removed that from their website, but

709
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: somebody found it on the wayback machine. It was like, oh,

710
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: let's get update on all of these like very specific

711
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: commitments that you made. And it turns out that they

712
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: basically just like didn't do any of that stuff. But

713
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: the thing is, nobody put a gun to your head

714
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: and forced you to make these commitments. You made these

715
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: commitments and just to quietly be like mm just kidding,

716
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't sit right with me, Like, nobody told

717
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: you to do this. Nobody told you to post a

718
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: black square. You did it, You volunteered to do it.

719
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: So when people expect a little follow through, that should

720
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: be that should be a given.

721
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I I think about this a lot too.

722
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 4: We talked about this with a lot of the like

723
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: what happened with blud Light, what happened with Target, and

724
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: you know, then they just backtrack and make everyone angry.

725
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: But is I feel like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of

726
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 4: in this case, what it's like to be a transperson,

727
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 4: and then when they get like a little taste of

728
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 4: that the company, it's like, oh my god, oh never mind,

729
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: Like they can't even just for that one second, like

730
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: if they get this online hate that the cause, the person,

731
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: the community they're saying they support gets, they get it,

732
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: and then they're like, never mind, Actually, can they have

733
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 4: that privilege that rite, that ability to step out and

734
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: be like, Okay, I don't want to deal with this anymore,

735
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: which I think is just very telling of ignorance and

736
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 4: just like a oh, sure, let's do this, and then

737
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 4: they get that hate and they're like, oh, oh never mind.

738
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

739
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: Backtracking the Dylan mulvaney thing that you just mentioned, the

740
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: thing that I will never be over is that Dylan mulvany,

741
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: when she left social media at the height of all

742
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: of this and came back and made that video, said

743
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: that nobody at bud Light even called her to be like, hey,

744
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: are you all right? Like I'm seeing what's going on.

745
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: I that is something that will stick with me forever.

746
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: That this brand, because she said, happened to say yes

747
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: when asked to do a brand collaboration with bud Light.

748
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: She was had to go dark, had to probably go

749
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: into hiding, like was the target of very severe attacks,

750
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: and that bud Light, the company who came to her

751
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: to bring her into this, couldn't even follow up with

752
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: an email when they saw all of this happening, how

753
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: quickly they abandoned her.

754
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: And I feel like, if you are a brand or.

755
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: An institution who was working with marginalized people, if you're

756
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: not going to stand by them when this stuff kind

757
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: of stuff happens and when they get into situations that

758
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: really like you have put them in. But by offering

759
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: them this, you know, these partnerships, that's just not how

760
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: you engage people like that.

761
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: Like, at a certain point.

762
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: It's like I understand that bud Light is a corporation,

763
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: and I don't expect corporations to like care about any

764
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: of us, certainly not marginalized people. But the people who

765
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: run bud Lights marketing or INFLUENCERIR partnerships should really be

766
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: taking a good, hard look in the mirror, because that's

767
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: just like a failure of like how to be a

768
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: human to each other.

769
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: Like, I like that just sticks with me.

770
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: I could not believe that she said that that nobody

771
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: even ever reached out to her after they just like

772
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: dropped her and never ever followed up again.

773
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's going back to your point. You know,

774
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 4: companies are not big companies, especially not are not allies,

775
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: and we shouldn't think of them that way.

776
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 2: But they.

777
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 4: If they post to the black square, if they take

778
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: these stands, if they say they're going to do something,

779
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 4: then yeah, they should absolutely be held accountable. That's just

780
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: away and causing real harm. We were telling you a

781
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 4: story before we started this out of nowhere. Someone bought

782
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: that up and like making these things so politicized that

783
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 4: just to have a diversity inclusion person at your company

784
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 4: becomes oh well, then hate like all of this hate,

785
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 4: like you keep saying, it's irresponsible and it's not taking

786
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: into account like the reality of working with these groups.

787
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's ultimately what these people want.

788
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: I think that they want just working with a trans

789
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: woman to be a lightning rod. She's not saying anything untoward,

790
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: she's not doing anything untoward, she just is because her

791
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: existence is a lightning rod.

792
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: Her existence is politicized.

793
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: I think just having a DEI person, just providing a

794
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: grant for black women, they want that to be toxic.

795
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: They want people to know that if you do that,

796
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: you might be in coren you might you know, be

797
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: targeted for a hate campaign. And so to just make

798
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: it not something that anybody would want to risk. And

799
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: these companies are so spineless that they're going along with it.

800
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: It is that they're being held hostage, and they're just like, okay, well,

801
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: they don't want us to have the chicken sausage. They

802
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: don't want anybody who doesn't eat sausage to be fed

803
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: at our restaurants.

804
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: So okay, we'll drop.

805
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Actually, Cracker Barrel did stand by their sausage choices.

806
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: I will say that.

807
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like I have been surprised by how

808
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: these big, huge corporations just cowtow to people who are

809
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: not serious, people who are just interested in flexing.

810
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: Their power, their political power for no real reason.

811
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 5: I mean absolutely, we see all of these things actually

812
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 5: hurting people. They don't even want to be the face

813
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 5: of anything. They just want to exist. Funds like Fearless

814
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 5: fund is to exist and to help and lift up

815
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 5: people that they know need lifting up. The same thing

816
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 5: with Target when they had the small businesses, with the

817
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 5: LGBTQ queer content and then taking them off the shelf,

818
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 5: like we were just existing and feeling like we wanted

819
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 5: to be the representation that no one else is willing

820
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 5: to look at or see or stand behind. And you

821
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 5: literally came after them, taking away their money, taking away

822
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 5: their existence, causing harm because again the mulvany thing, she

823
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 5: was just holding a beer. She said, I like bud Light, simple,

824
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 5: why can't she choose to do that? And that ended

825
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 5: up being a thing of like, well, she is hurting

826
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 5: the beer industry and she is doing these things. No,

827
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 5: she's just existing with a product that they sent her.

828
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 5: They're not like giving her fifty percent of the shares.

829
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: Of bud Light. Like that's what is happening. Like this

830
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: whole level of like what people.

831
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 5: Are having to do and they're having to come back

832
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 5: and being like, instead of existing, we have to fight

833
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 5: for our place to exist, and that's such an absurd ideal,

834
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 5: like the fact that this has to be done.

835
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: So this is what Tony Morrison says about racism, and

836
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: I think it fits to all of what you're saying.

837
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: The function, the very serious function of racism is distraction.

838
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: It keeps you from doing your work, it keeps you

839
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: explaining over and over again your reason for being. Somebody

840
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: says you have no language, and you spend twenty years

841
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: trying to prove that you do. Somebody says your head

842
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: isn't shaped properly, so you have scientists working on the

843
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: fact that it is. Somebody says you have no art,

844
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: so you dredge that up. Somebody says you have no kingdom,

845
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: so you dredge that up. None of this is necessary.

846
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: There will always be one more thing. So, like that

847
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: quote really speaks to what I think is happening. You know,

848
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: the Fearless Fund, the stats that I just read about

849
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: black women entrepreneurs and how little of the funding we get.

850
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: It shows that the women who are running the Fearless Fund,

851
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: they have work to do.

852
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: They have serious work to do to right.

853
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: The wrong and to bake a little more equity into

854
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: the funding landscape. So they don't really have time to

855
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: play around with these legal challenges. But yet here they

856
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: are having to spend their money money that could go

857
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: to the funding landscape, staffing up a legal team, holding

858
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: press conferences, all of this.

859
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: It is such a distraction.

860
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: At a time when marginalized people have real work to

861
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: be doing.

862
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: Fearless fun is fighting back. They have a.

863
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: Beefy legal team including the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, Gibson Dunn, Crutcher,

864
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: and Ben Crump, the attorney who represented families of George

865
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: Floyd and Tyree Nichols in their civil suits over the

866
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: men's killing up the hands of the police. And I

867
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: feel confident like these women are like bad as women,

868
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 1: They are not going down without a fight.

869
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: But also they shouldn't have to write like they should

870
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: be able to.

871
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Just do their work and focus on that work, and

872
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: they should not have to be spending their money on

873
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: these bogus legal challenges just because they want to exist,

874
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: just because they want to support other black women.

875
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 5: And I find that again we're in this situation that

876
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 5: black women are the ones that have to be the

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Speaker 5: ones to fight, like they don't want to, they're tired,

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Speaker 5: they've been doing this, and now we're back again because

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Speaker 5: we know there's a lot and I know there's a

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Speaker 5: lot of fun specifically to women, like point blank women,

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Speaker 5: and they surely didn't have to go after them. And

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Speaker 5: I bet they were denied some of those and they're

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Speaker 5: probably better at that. But yet if they didn't, that

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Speaker 5: seems silly and that seems very targeted. Yeah, so that's

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Speaker 5: very telling. Uh, but like it again, it has to

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Speaker 5: be the black women that has to put up this

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Speaker 5: fight in order to get anything done.

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Speaker 1: I mean tail as old as time, right, and I

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Speaker 1: think right. I'm worried about this for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 1: One is that I think that if these grants and

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Speaker 1: funds that specifically are meant to boost black women entrepreneurs

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Speaker 1: are deemed unconstitutional, I really don't know what the landscape

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Speaker 1: is going to look like because, as I said, like already,

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Speaker 1: so little of that funding goes to us in.

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Speaker 2: The first place. But further, one of the reasons I.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to talk about it on the show today is

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Speaker 1: that I don't think it's getting near the same amount

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Speaker 1: of traction and attention that Blum's affirmative action challenges did.

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Speaker 1: And I really think that we need to see white

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Speaker 1: male and white women and really everybody in the startup space.

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Speaker 1: We need to see vcs and entrepreneurs speaking up about this,

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Speaker 1: because Blum is essentially arguing that the startup space should

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Speaker 1: basically just be for white people, and I think it's

904
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Speaker 1: up to everybody in the space to push back and

905
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Speaker 1: say like that is not the kind of funding space

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Speaker 1: that we want. That is not the kind of startup

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Speaker 1: space that we want. And to really make that really clear,

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Speaker 1: like what kind of a space do we want to

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Speaker 1: have for the next generation of entrepreneurs. We want to

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Speaker 1: tell them that the tiny little bit that they that

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Speaker 1: might go to them isn't even for them anymore.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't think that's the space that.

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Speaker 5: We want right and absolutely in the same space again,

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Speaker 5: this is going to hurt white women as well and

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Speaker 5: the like. If we're saying that all of this is

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Speaker 5: to specific and it leads out other people of race,

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Speaker 5: it's gonna hrt gender as well.

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Speaker 3: So this is not even just for white people. It's

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Speaker 3: gonna be for white men.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna have more elon musks running running programs into

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Speaker 5: the ground.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're gonna been thousand percent.

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Speaker 1: And I mean kind of like what you were alluding

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Speaker 1: to before time and time again in tech, particularly when

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Speaker 1: black women challenge things or do things or start things,

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Speaker 1: they uplift all women. And so even if that specific

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Speaker 1: program is for black women owned businesses, you're gonna tell

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Speaker 1: me that a black woman who is financially supported is

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Speaker 1: not going to go on to do something that's going

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Speaker 1: to lift up all women and all marginalized people. Time

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Speaker 1: and time again we see that that's how it goes

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Speaker 1: with black women, and so yeah, I just think that

933
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Speaker 1: this is just this is me smacking that ice cream

934
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Speaker 1: out of my brother's hand when I could have gotten

935
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Speaker 1: a buy it instead. I really want to see more

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Speaker 1: folks in the space speaking up about this because what

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Speaker 1: the Fearless Fund has done has been really great, and

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Speaker 1: it's they're really like a good force in the space,

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Speaker 1: and I think the day we need them, frankly, we

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Speaker 1: need them.

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Speaker 3: We do.

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Speaker 5: And it's it's a drop in the bucket. Let's just

943
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 5: be real honest, like it's it's nothing in comparison to.

944
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Speaker 3: What other people get.

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Speaker 5: Essentially, it is like, wow, you really are going after

946
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Speaker 5: the little groups for nothing, just just to make a

947
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Speaker 5: point and obviously to keep that little bit, as you

948
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 5: are saying, in your pocket, instead of seeing what this is.

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Speaker 3: Actually could do for the entire humanity. Humanity is lost.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry what Yeah, yeah, And I mean this is

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Speaker 6: very important too because obviously professional litigant blom here like

952
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 6: it's going to keep trying and if this succeeds, then

953
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 6: it's going to make things worse for everyone except for

954
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Speaker 6: certain people, and then easier for him to win.

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Speaker 2: The next thing and the next thing.

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Speaker 4: So yes, this is really really important, and thank you,

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Speaker 4: as always Bridget for bringing it to us.

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Speaker 4: Oh I'm so excited. But in the meantime, Bridget, where

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