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Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. I hope your day is off to

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Speaker 1: a good start.

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Speaker 2: We are sort of barreling towards a potential government shutdown

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Speaker 2: today tonight if nothing changes. So Emily and I just

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Speaker 2: wanted to give you a little update on what has

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Speaker 2: happened since Breaking Points aired yesterday. Great to see you, Emily,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I need you to interpret what's going

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Speaker 2: on in the Republican side of the ledger here, So

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Speaker 2: let me just give people a little bit of an update.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday we heard from Trump and Musk and others

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Speaker 2: that they had a new deal in order to avert

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Speaker 2: this government shutdown. So basically, they need to fund the government.

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Speaker 2: And Trump also wants them to extend the debt sealing

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Speaker 2: or get rid of the debt ceiling altogether, which is

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Speaker 2: something I would certainly support, And so he put out

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Speaker 2: this statement here success in Washington, Speaker Mike Johnson, the

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Speaker 2: House have come to a very good deal for the

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Speaker 2: American people to newly agreed to American Relief Act of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. We'll keep the government open, fund our

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Speaker 2: great farmers, and and provide relief for those severely impacted

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Speaker 2: by the very devastating hurricanes. A very important piece vital

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Speaker 2: to the American First Agenda was added as well. The

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Speaker 2: date of the very unnecessary debt ceiling will be pushed

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Speaker 2: out two years to January thirtieth, twenty twenty seven. Now

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Speaker 2: we can make America great again very quickly, which is

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Speaker 2: what the people gave us a mandate to accomplish. So

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Speaker 2: you will, guys will probably recall there originally was a

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Speaker 2: deal that had been negotiated between Democratic and Republican leadership

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Speaker 2: that both included continuing government funding and also had a

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Speaker 2: lot of other pieces. So there was something that would

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Speaker 2: rein in pharmacy benefit managers, there was money for research

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Speaker 2: into pediactric cancer, a whole bunch of other priorities that

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Speaker 2: were put into there as well. And that's what Elon

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Speaker 2: Musk and some of the Republicans began vociferously objecting to

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Speaker 2: and cause that whole thing to fall apart, leaving this

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Speaker 2: process and told okaias so, this announcement from Trump is, hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: we have another new deal that includes fewer of those

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Speaker 2: other things, more just sort of like closer to a

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Speaker 2: quote unquote clean continuing our resolution plus extension of the

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Speaker 2: debt ceiling that they negotiated amongst themselves that went to

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Speaker 2: a floor vote yesterday and you know, spoiler alert, it

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Speaker 2: did not end up passing. But Emily, before we get

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Speaker 2: to some of the more details, you know, what was

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Speaker 2: your initial reaction to the contours of this deal as

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Speaker 2: it was laid out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so exactly what you just said in the sense

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Speaker 4: that this is twenty fourteen. Basically, this feels like the

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Speaker 4: fights twenty fifteen, the fights against John Bayner, with one

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Speaker 4: major difference. You know, back then, it was Jim Jordan

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Speaker 4: and Mark Meadows putting together the House Freedom Caucus and

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Speaker 4: saying we are always going to object to omnibus bills.

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Speaker 4: Mike Johnson it comes in after Kevin McCarthy and says

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Speaker 4: we're not doing omnibus bills.

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Speaker 3: We're just we're not gonna do it. So you're always.

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Speaker 4: Going to have the chip Roys, the Thomas Massey's of

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Speaker 4: the world opposing what Mike Johnson negotiated. And he probably

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Speaker 3: Bill passed, and it probably would have. But this is

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Speaker 3: what happened.

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk and Viveik, now that they are in charge

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Speaker 4: not stay quiet on what Johnson was about to do,

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Speaker 4: which was a very normal, conventional Washington compromise in order

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Speaker 4: to avoid a Christmas shutdown. But they knew they couldn't

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Speaker 4: the Global Engagement Center, which has funded places that like

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Speaker 4: suppressed conservative websites and all of those like that. You can't,

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Speaker 4: fix it next year. So because they intervened, this became

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Speaker 4: dramatic and it wasn't going to be at all, And

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Speaker 4: normally you would have had the exact same people protesting.

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Speaker 4: The only difference this time around is they got a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, originally just for people to recall, Republicans control

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Speaker 2: So if you even have a handful of dissenters say nope,

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Speaker 2: You have to work with the Democrats. So that's what

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Speaker 2: they did. Johnson had negotiated this. He seemingly felt that

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Speaker 2: So it's not just now a few dissenters, but it's

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Speaker 2: falls apart the new deal that they struck. This is

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Speaker 2: some of the contours of it internal GOP funding deal.

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Speaker 2: Johnson's expected to put on the floor funding extension for

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Speaker 2: three months, clean Farm Bill extension one hundred and ten

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Speaker 2: billion dollar disaster aid package as negotiated with Democrats. This

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Speaker 2: is like for western North Carolina, other places that were

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Speaker 2: really hard hit by the series of hurricanes. Clean healthcare

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Speaker 2: PBM reform. That's actually a real loss because that pharmacy

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Speaker 2: and is something that has bipartisan support and critically a

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Speaker 2: two year suspension of the debt limit to January twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty seven. And Emily, maybe you can speak a little

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Speaker 2: bit to this debt limit part. But part of what's

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Speaker 2: So now that Trump is going to be in the

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Speaker 2: you know, extension of the tax getting jobs actually primarily

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Speaker 2: who don't think that they should ever vote for a

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Speaker 2: debt sealing increase period. End of story. So already you

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Speaker 4: And what does Elon do if Trump is as president,

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Speaker 4: because they this is a win for Donald Trump. Kicking

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Speaker 4: raise some serious tensions, like for example, Elon Musk, like

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Speaker 4: for example, with the chip Roys, who Donald Trump went

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Speaker 2: Is stalwart Tea party style. Yes, conservative died in the wooll.

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Speaker 4: And this is where you have that new tension with

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Speaker 4: we've got doge. We're working on shrinking the size of

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Speaker 4: we're just gonna lift this debt ceiling.

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Speaker 3: And what did the debt hawks do? So he now

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Speaker 3: he avoids having that fight.

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Speaker 4: Six months into his presidency with a margin of like

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Speaker 4: what one to three members of the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it would be a really, really tough battle.

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Speaker 4: So that's a when what they did is say we're

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Speaker 4: just going to do a kind of skinny CR clean CR.

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Speaker 4: The Continuing Resolution is basically leaving government funding at the

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Speaker 4: It cut out a lot of the random stuff, but

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Speaker 4: it does still have things like they had to reauthorize

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Speaker 4: the Farm Bill, like that was there are certain things

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Speaker 4: another good example. So still a big bill, but a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the contours of the bill, the quote

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Speaker 2: Emily's pointing to, even within the Republican caucus, there are

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Speaker 1: So we've mentioned chip Roy.

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Speaker 5: Fact to the matter is three hundred and thirty billion dollars. Congratulations,

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Speaker 5: you've added to the debt since you were given the

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Speaker 5: majority again on November fifth. It's embarrassing, it's shameful. Yes,

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Speaker 5: I think this bill is better than it was yesterday

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Speaker 5: on certain respects. But to take this bill, to take

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Speaker 5: pages but increases the debt by five trillion dollars is asinine.

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Speaker 5: And that's precisely what Republicans are doing. I'm absolutely sicken

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Speaker 5: already the campaigns on fiscal responsibility and has the temerity

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Speaker 5: think this is fiscally responsible. It is absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous, Absolutely ridiculous. Now, I think it's an open question

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Speaker 2: rather this party really campaigned on fiscal responsibility.

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Speaker 1: Because that's not like a core Trump value.

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, it's like, I'm not going to touch those

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Speaker 2: security I'm not going to touch Medicare. Obviously, those were

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Speaker 2: longtime cuts of those programs, were long time priorities of

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Speaker 2: the Republican caucus, and people like Chip Roy are still

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Speaker 2: in that, you know, still very much in that camp.

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Speaker 2: So in any case, Emily, the fact that you end

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Speaker 2: up having not just chip Roy, but thirty five Republicans

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Speaker 2: vote against this deal that both Elon and Trump ultimately

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Speaker 2: get behind. Not to mention Mike Johnson, who's like feels

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Speaker 2: sort of like irrelevant to this whole process, that we're

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Speaker 1: Because it is interesting.

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Speaker 2: You clearly have some group within the caucus that is

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Speaker 1: Emily, I would never know that.

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Speaker 4: But he he's also somebody who's who has talked, talked

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, this is just like they have leverage.

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Speaker 4: This is a Christmas shutdown. It is the Friday before Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Suddenly Elon likes the bill. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: So go ahead, Emily, if you want to react to that,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, I think it's it's like this. First

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Speaker 1: Indeed.

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Speaker 2: All right, so you have the Republicans who some you know,

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Speaker 2: play this is Actually it's interesting that this is this guy,

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Speaker 2: So the fact that even a very centristy type Democrat

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and listen to him making the case.

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Speaker 2: In one minute to the gentleman from Florida and mister Moskowitz.

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Speaker 4: The gentleman for Florida's recognized for one movie.

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Speaker 6: Thank you as a speaker. You know, denial is not

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Speaker 6: two years. It was the Democrats who raised the debt ceiling,

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Speaker 3: Your own bill. We're only here.

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Speaker 6: We're only here because you guys can't agree amongst yourself.

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Speaker 6: So hold on a second, Hold on a second. Democrats

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Speaker 3: We will do that for you.

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Speaker 6: But you got to at least invite us to that meeting.

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Speaker 6: So if you want us to solve your problem because

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Speaker 3: Thank you expressed.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Put on your big boy pants, Like, listen, y'all want

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Speaker 2: to do this on your own, go ahead, do it

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Speaker 3: And by the way, it goes to the Senate too,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're no, we're close to that.

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Speaker 3: It you know, makes us feel like the country is

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Speaker 4: There was a point where like Rosa Delora from Connecticut,

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Speaker 4: It's great when they when they have to when they

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Speaker 3: So it's that's fun to watch. Maybe we'll get more

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Speaker 1: Actually, oh, I'm quite sure that we will.

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Speaker 2: And the latest is the House Republicans were meeting this morning,

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Speaker 1: To say she's just popular, Yeah, okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: More or less, she's like kind of famous, didn't she

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Speaker 4: No, I have none of them know how this is

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Speaker 4: twenty fourteen and how when she was inside CBS there

440
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Speaker 4: was this internal pressure to get the story being about

441
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Speaker 4: Republicans shutting down the government, and Republicans.

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Speaker 3: Know that that's always what happens.

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Speaker 4: But I think there's this lack of confidence or there's

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Speaker 4: this confidence now, the swagger now, because I feel like

445
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Speaker 4: they have the wind that they're back after Trump won,

446
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Speaker 4: which is a why chip Away thinks they should be

447
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Speaker 4: getting a better deal and b why they're playing a

448
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Speaker 4: bolder hand that they're just going to be able to

449
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Speaker 4: sort of circumvent the corporate media's narrative about how this

450
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Speaker 4: is all Republicans fault and if Democrats refuse to negotiate,

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Speaker 4: then they can somehow blame the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think that's gonna work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, because you had a thing and then

455
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Speaker 2: Elon starts tweeting, and then you don't have it. So

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Speaker 2: I mean it's very clearly like the action was on

457
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Speaker 2: the Republican side in terms of this really kind of

458
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Speaker 2: it came a little bit out of nowhere. Usually these

459
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Speaker 2: shut down threats have some like weeks if not months

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Speaker 2: of build up and jockeying and what's going to happen

461
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Speaker 2: and brinksmanship that can kind of appear to be like

462
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Speaker 2: both sides, But this one because they had a deal

463
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Speaker 2: and then it is just like Elon one day wakes

464
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Speaker 2: up and starts tweeting, and then it's all collapsed. And

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Speaker 2: now suddenly here you are, hours before the shutdown and

466
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Speaker 2: Republicans are scrambling and can agree amongst themselves, et cetera. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear that the public is going

468
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Speaker 2: to feel like you guys are the ones that the

469
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Speaker 2: tanked the deal that created this chaos. And you know,

470
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Speaker 2: there's real ramifications when the government shuts down, especially at

471
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Speaker 2: the holiday time. It's not like every function shuts down.

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Speaker 2: You still have essential workers and functions that are you know, occurring,

473
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Speaker 2: but there are costs to it. Sager was pointing out

474
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Speaker 2: people who are going to travel TSA is going to

475
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Speaker 2: be more limited traffic to eric traffic controllers like you're

476
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Speaker 2: going to have fewer personnel, you're gonna have more chaos

477
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Speaker 2: in terms of travel. That's just one example of the

478
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Speaker 2: types of services that won't continue in a government shutdown.

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Speaker 2: Then you also have some of the additional pieces in

480
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Speaker 2: this that were important to both sides, so the disaster

481
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Speaker 2: relief being one of them. The farm relief, which actually

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Speaker 2: I mean given that that's more of a constituent constituency

483
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Speaker 2: for Republicans, is kind of more of an issue for

484
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Speaker 2: conservative rural Republicans where because the previous farm bill wasn't

485
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Speaker 2: they weren't able to go to a new farm bill,

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Speaker 2: so they did like a continuing farm bill. So they

487
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Speaker 2: haven't gotten the you know, the aid support that they

488
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Speaker 2: need and that they're used to during this time. So

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Speaker 2: the Farm Bureau is very concerned about what all of

490
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Speaker 2: this means. So in any case, there are pieces here

491
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Speaker 2: that are important to both sides of the ledger, and

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Speaker 2: right now it is very unclear how this proceeds. You know,

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Speaker 2: Jake Sherman is out saying he thinks the most likely

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Speaker 2: thing is a quote unquote clean cr that is very

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Speaker 2: short term. I'm talking like a few weeks just to

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Speaker 2: get through the holidays and like reconvene and see what

497
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Speaker 2: they can come up with in the new year. So

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Speaker 2: that may be the case, but again you would have

499
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Speaker 2: to get every Republican on board. And then again that

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Speaker 2: leaves open the question of the Senate and whether that's

501
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Speaker 2: gonna whether Democrats are going to go along with that,

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Speaker 2: whether they're going to be incentivized just like I want

503
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Speaker 2: to get out of here and get home to my

504
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Speaker 2: kids and have Christmas enough to kick the can down

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Speaker 2: of the road into January and figure this out in

506
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Speaker 2: the new year.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of where things are.

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Speaker 4: Well, and this might be the deal with Democrats. They're

509
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Speaker 4: losing control of the Senate in the new Congress. So

510
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Speaker 4: is the CR going to kick it until there's no

511
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Speaker 4: Democratic control in the Senate that Democrats aren't in control

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Speaker 4: of the Senate, or are they going to trick a

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Speaker 4: deal that does it right before the new Congress.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a yeah, but it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it matters more than I'm thinking, but

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Speaker 2: since you have to get that sixty votes super majority,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it matters that much. Whether it's

519
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Speaker 2: Democrats who have a fifty to fifty Senate or whether

520
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Speaker 2: it's Republicans who you know, have the fifty three to

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Speaker 2: forty seven Senate, because you still are going to need

522
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Speaker 2: some not insignificant number of Democrats to go along with

523
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Speaker 2: whatever deal is ultimately struck, and they are not in

524
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Speaker 2: the mood to help out Trump and give him what

525
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Speaker 2: he wants. They're certainly not in the mood to help

526
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Speaker 2: out Elon Musk or whatever. So they're happy to watch

527
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Speaker 2: Republicans kind of stumble around and try to come up

528
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Speaker 2: with something that they can all vote for in lockstep.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean that's why, that's exactly the reason

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Speaker 2: why Mike Johnson and seemingly with the backing of Trump

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Speaker 2: thought from the beginning, like, let's just deal with the

532
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Speaker 2: Democrats now going into while Joe Biden is still in

533
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Speaker 2: off as we could just blame them for any part

534
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Speaker 2: of this that we don't really like that much, and

535
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Speaker 2: then we'll have kind of a clean slate coming in,

536
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Speaker 2: debt sealing taken care of, government funded, so we can

537
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Speaker 2: do the things that we want to do. And now

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Speaker 2: that possibility is no longer really on the table.

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Speaker 4: It's been a I mean this is really setting the

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Speaker 4: tone for how they're dealing with each other coming into

541
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Speaker 4: a new Congress and a new presidential administration. Like, what

542
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Speaker 4: is Elon's role, who is he allying with? Who is

543
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Speaker 4: he talking to? Who is Trump talking to? Who is

544
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Speaker 4: Mike Johnson talking to? This is going to this is

545
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Speaker 4: they're entering the new year on shake your footing because

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Speaker 4: of all of this, they're spinning it as they're entering

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Speaker 4: the new year, possibly with getting a better deal. And

548
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Speaker 4: if you're chip Roy, this has generally been positive because

549
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Speaker 4: it showed that Doge is at least rhetorically interested in

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Speaker 4: the things that you've been talking about since the Tea

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Speaker 4: Party years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even if you're.

553
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Speaker 4: Disappointed in how they actually are, like, oh so they

554
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Speaker 4: see some political value to having this conversation.

555
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

556
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Speaker 4: This has caused a lot of I mean, Trump should

557
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Speaker 4: not be fighting with chip Roy going into the twenty

558
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Speaker 4: twenty five.

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Speaker 2: No, they I mean, they just won. They should all

560
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Speaker 2: be aligned and in love with each other, you know.

561
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're never happier with your team than when

562
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Speaker 2: you on this giant winning streak, and that's exactly there.

563
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Speaker 2: They should be riding high right now. So it also

564
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Speaker 2: just raises. I mean, obviously the two competing power centers.

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Speaker 2: I'll just throw up this last element to give to

566
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Speaker 2: sort of elucidate that. But you know, it really looked

567
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: like Elon was running the show in terms of this

568
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Speaker 2: whole striving Trump was. Trump was fine to just go

569
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Speaker 2: along with whatever deal was struck. Is certainly what it

570
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Speaker 2: looks like. I think this is the response from Caroline Lovett. Nope,

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Speaker 2: that is not the response from Caroline Lovett.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to deal with Congress, right, He doesn't

573
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Speaker 4: want to have to worry about the dynamics on Capitol Hill.

574
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Speaker 4: He doesn't want to have to worry about what's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, whatever, it's fine. I just want to, like,

576
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Speaker 2: you know, come into office and be able to do

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Speaker 2: my thing. This was Caroline Lovitt, who's the Trump spokesperson.

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Speaker 1: Isn't she's going to be press secretary? Is that right?

579
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Speaker 4: Am?

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Speaker 1: I right about that?

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Speaker 2: And then I go okay, So she responded to the

582
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk is the real leader of the Republican Party

583
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Speaker 2: rhetoric from the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: She said.

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Speaker 2: As soon as President Trump released his official stance on

586
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Speaker 2: the cr continuing our resolution Republicans on Capitol Hill echoed

587
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Speaker 2: his point of view, President Trump is the leader of

588
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Speaker 2: the Republican Party full stop. I mean, the fact that

589
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Speaker 2: they even felt the need to respond to that tells

590
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Speaker 2: you this, this kind of gut this is getting under

591
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: Trump's skin, and you know, I think it's only going

592
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Speaker 2: to continue. Elon is out there, He's got all the

593
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Speaker 2: money in the world. He was threatening primary challenges against

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Speaker 2: any Republicans who don't go along. By the way, he's

595
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Speaker 2: now threaten threatening primary challenges against Democrats in blue districts

596
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Speaker 2: who you know, were not centrist enough for his liking,

597
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Speaker 2: which you know, that's another story for another day, But

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Speaker 2: I think that would probably go over as well in

599
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Speaker 2: a Democratic primary as like a George Soros backed Republican candidate,

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Speaker 2: it would go over in a Republican primary.

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Speaker 1: But in any case, he's clearly willing to throw his

602
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Speaker 1: weight around.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure he realizes how close to the sun

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Speaker 2: he's flying in terms of, you know, usurping the power

605
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Speaker 2: of the party from Trump. So that's the other question

606
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Speaker 2: is how long that alliance between the two of them

607
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Speaker 2: even lasts. Because Trump is certainly not one to brook

608
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Speaker 2: any threat to his ego and unquestioned position as the

609
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Speaker 2: king of the Republican Party, and then you do have

610
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Speaker 2: genuine ideological fissures between them. I mean, Trump is not

611
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Speaker 2: really that ideological guy. So I think when the talk

612
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: is very theoretical of like who doesn't like the idea

613
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Speaker 2: of cutting waste from the government, right, like and the

614
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Speaker 2: government being efficient, Sure sounds great, right, But then when

615
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Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, they cut out the funding for the

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Speaker 2: kids with cancer and they cut out they're looking at

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Speaker 2: cutting Social Security, like Elon's out there retweeting Mike Lee

618
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Speaker 2: about how the whole program is a fraud. You know, yeah,

619
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Speaker 2: when it comes down to what they actually you know

620
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Speaker 2: what it means when you cut the government, not just

621
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Speaker 2: theoretical like sure, let's get the waist down. Suddenly these

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Speaker 2: projects become extremely unpopular, which is also part of what

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Speaker 2: you're seeing in this dynamic of when people are actually

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Speaker 2: looking at like, oh, well, what did you cut from

625
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Speaker 2: this bill, and it's things that people would like to see,

626
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Speaker 2: like research into pediatric cancer, then the feels a lot

627
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Speaker 2: different than just in theory, let's spend less money. So

628
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Speaker 2: when the rubber meets the road, there's a big ideological

629
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Speaker 2: difference between Trump who doesn't really care either way, but

630
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Speaker 2: has this instinct, of this political instinct of these things

631
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Speaker 2: are not popular, like cutting these popular programs is not

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Speaker 2: a good idea. And Elon Musk, who is more of

633
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Speaker 2: an ideological like Javier Malay type ideological figure. I mean,

634
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Speaker 2: this is someone who's praised. He prais Xavier Malay for

635
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Speaker 2: rolling back terrorists, which again total contradiction to Trump and

636
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Speaker 2: what he was claiming that he supports and when he's

637
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Speaker 2: supported in the past, when he was in the White

638
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Speaker 2: House before. So this is sort of like our first

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Speaker 2: glimpse into some of those potential fissures as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And Trump notoriously loves drama. He said it

641
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Speaker 4: as much that he likes it when people on his

642
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Speaker 4: side are fighting it out because he thinks that's healthy

643
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Speaker 4: and leads to a better outcome.

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Speaker 3: Or maybe he just enjoys it, don't we all.

645
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Speaker 4: But like there's there's maybe a Trump like enjoys the

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Speaker 4: shadenfreude like everyone else does. But the Freedom Caucus, people

647
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Speaker 4: like Tip Roy, their constituents want them to do this,

648
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Speaker 4: and they recognize that. Ted Cruz recognized that that back

649
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Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, even earlier than that, at

650
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Speaker 4: the beginning of the Tea Party. They have to answer

651
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Speaker 4: to their constituents. Trump has to answer to the entire country.

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Speaker 4: So that has always been what Paul Ryan tried to

653
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Speaker 4: bridge the gap between. It's what Kevin McCarthy tried to

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Speaker 4: bridge the gap between and Mike Johnson. You know is

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Speaker 4: I don't even I don't even know what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody really even knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Trump, that's it.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, Welcome back, is what they're all saying to

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Speaker 4: him right now.

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Speaker 2: Basically, yep, exactly exactly right. So we'll see what happens today.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna allegedly take a vote on something that's very similar,

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Speaker 2: will probably also go down in flames, and they'll be

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Speaker 2: back to the drawing board, would be my prediction. But hey,

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Speaker 2: you never know if they work something out amongst themselves

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Speaker 2: and government. If there is no deal struck today, government

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Speaker 2: will shut down at midnight to night. So we will

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Speaker 2: certainly keep an eye on it for you, although all

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Speaker 2: of us are going to be running around and traveling,

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Speaker 2: so I don't know if we'll be able to update

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Speaker 2: you or not, but maybe we'll try, depending on what happens.

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Speaker 2: In any case, I hope you guys have a wonderful

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Speaker 2: holiday and we will certainly. And thank you again Emily

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Speaker 2: for spenty some time with us this morning and helping

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Speaker 2: me understand what's going on from the Republican perspective as well,

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Speaker 2: And we will see all of you guys soon