WEBVTT - Photo Editing and Manipulation, Part One

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<v Speaker 1>Technology with tex Stuff from Hooks dot Com. Say there

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to text Stuff. I'm Jonathan Strickland, and with

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<v Speaker 1>me today is a very special guest, our own photographical

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<v Speaker 1>expert here at hell Stuff, where it's Dylan. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Thanks thanks for having me. Yeah, Dylan and

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<v Speaker 1>I have had some really cool discussions about the technology

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<v Speaker 1>of photography and some different ideas around it, and Dylan

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<v Speaker 1>has generously offered up some of his precious time to

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<v Speaker 1>jump into the studio to talk about photo manipulation and

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<v Speaker 1>photo editing. So this is going to be a two

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<v Speaker 1>part podcast. We know that starting off, we're gonna concentrate

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<v Speaker 1>on sort of the pre digital era for this first episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and then our next one will be kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>various techniques and motivations behind photo manipulation and the post

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<v Speaker 1>digital era where we're no longer talking necessarily about physical

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<v Speaker 1>media but lots of zeros and ones instead. But the

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<v Speaker 1>the interesting thing to me is that photo manipulation has

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<v Speaker 1>been around almost as long as photography has, and in

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<v Speaker 1>large part because of the limitations of photography, especially the

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<v Speaker 1>early days, it was kind of seen early on as okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well we have the foundation down now, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>make up for all the things that we can't do

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<v Speaker 1>at least yet. You know, you don't know in their

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<v Speaker 1>mind if they knew that was going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>possibility in the future, but um, it kind of gave

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<v Speaker 1>them the ability to add to a photo what cameras

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<v Speaker 1>were not able to do at the moment. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those early cameras were incredibly limited. And uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it helps if we take kind of a step back

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<v Speaker 1>and look at a little bit of history. And by

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of history, I mean I've created a

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<v Speaker 1>timeline to kind of walk us through the early development

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<v Speaker 1>no pun intended. Okay, no, that was definitely a pun

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<v Speaker 1>intended of photography. So before we get to any photography

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<v Speaker 1>at all, before we get to the point where we're

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<v Speaker 1>recording light onto some medium, we can talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about the camera obscura, which was not necessarily about

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<v Speaker 1>recording recording images, but more about projecting them. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is ancient technology. I mean, when you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>the basic technology was a dark chamber or room through

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<v Speaker 1>which you have a hole in one wall and then

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<v Speaker 1>you can project across the on the opposite wall. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, what you saw on the opposite wall would

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<v Speaker 1>be correct in perspective, but it would be eight degrees

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<v Speaker 1>rotating a hundred degrees. It would be upside down. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I I have often seen this used as a

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<v Speaker 1>way for artists who wanted to do a big wall mural.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, they would have an image on one side,

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<v Speaker 1>so it would be projected large on the opposite where

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<v Speaker 1>they could actually trace things out, although not all artists

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<v Speaker 1>were very capable of doing this, and it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>until the Renaissance. Like even though the technology itself was

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of years old in the sense that the ancient

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese and Greeks were using the sort of yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>really does. It's always like it's always like, well you

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<v Speaker 1>have you gotta look to the Middle East and you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta look to China for some of these amazing developments

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<v Speaker 1>that took a long time to make their way to

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<v Speaker 1>the Western world. But in the Renaissance, there was an

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<v Speaker 1>Italian writer named Gia Batista de la Porta who was

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<v Speaker 1>really the first to use a lens arrangement in camera scares.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more than just the simple hole or a mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a lens. And uh, that's where we started

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<v Speaker 1>really calling it camera obscura. And then you move ahead

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<v Speaker 1>about a hundred years to and that's when a gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Johann Heinrich Schulz uh noticed something

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<v Speaker 1>really odd. In fact, it was something that other people

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<v Speaker 1>had noticed, but he was the one who actually put

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<v Speaker 1>two and two together. We're talking silver salts here. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>silver salts, when exposed to light, uh get darker. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is a major part of early photography. But for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time people thought that it was heat that

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<v Speaker 1>made the salts turn dark. Now, what Schultz did was

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<v Speaker 1>he had an experiment where he he had essentially a

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<v Speaker 1>surface covered in silver salts, and he put a covering

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<v Speaker 1>over it so that he could spell out a word

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<v Speaker 1>in the silver salt, and then exposed that to light

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<v Speaker 1>and it made those salts turn dark. So he actually

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<v Speaker 1>could spell out words using light this way, but he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have any way of preserving it. There's no way

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<v Speaker 1>for him to keep this so that it would permanently

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<v Speaker 1>have this word. In fact, as soon as you remove

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<v Speaker 1>the covering and the rest of the salts are exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to light, everything turns dark. So it's like you have

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<v Speaker 1>a temporary image. It's kind of like the snapchat of

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<v Speaker 1>its day. Yeah, that a very very kind of simple

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<v Speaker 1>snapchat where someone would have to be in there with

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<v Speaker 1>you and be like, all right, you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>look at this right now, because as soon as I

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<v Speaker 1>turn on the light, this sucker, it's it's it's time

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<v Speaker 1>will be very limited a latent image. Um yeah, in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that like if you see something very bright

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<v Speaker 1>and you close your eyes right there, it is first second. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So it wouldn't be until the eighteen twenties. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>a fellow by the name of Anissa four neepsie, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for pronouncing that. That's a guess my French jump.

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<v Speaker 1>Papa francis bien mais, So I am not very good

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<v Speaker 1>with the French pronunciation. I haven't had a French since

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<v Speaker 1>high school, so I apologize for butchering the name. But

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<v Speaker 1>he developed a technique to use light in order to

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<v Speaker 1>make copies of engravings. And what he would do is

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<v Speaker 1>he would take it engraving and cover it an oil,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he would put the engraving on a plate

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<v Speaker 1>that was coated with a combination of lavender oil and

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<v Speaker 1>vitamin of Judea, which is a light sensitive material. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, and he had the first successful image in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixteen. Yeah, amazing, right, Like he was able to

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<v Speaker 1>use this and he called the process heliography, meaning from

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<v Speaker 1>the sun to right, So it was close to photography,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was calling it heliography. By eighteen twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>he was using that process on lots of stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>lithographic stone, on glass, on zinc, and on pewter plates.

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<v Speaker 1>And in eighteen six he used a camera obscura and

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<v Speaker 1>pewter plate to produce a photograph from nature. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an image of the courtyard of his estate. It was

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<v Speaker 1>taken from an upstairs balcony and over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>eight hours. Yes, it took a number of hours. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the real issue where with these early approaches

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<v Speaker 1>is that they had not perfected the chemistry necessary to

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<v Speaker 1>have this reaction of light that would affect chemicals in

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<v Speaker 1>such a way as to preserve an image. What's really

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<v Speaker 1>funny is that the lens technology was much farther ahead

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<v Speaker 1>from the start than the chemistry, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>early photography was really only limited by the chemicals involved. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you would end up having these super long exposure

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<v Speaker 1>times in the In some cases it meant that the

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<v Speaker 1>the image you produced is otherworldly because in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of this one with a courtyard, the lights coming from

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<v Speaker 1>the sun and it's over the course of eight hours,

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<v Speaker 1>which reads, the sun starts in the east and ends

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<v Speaker 1>in the west. So in the finished image you have

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<v Speaker 1>light from the sun shining from both directions. It's as

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, obviously we don't live in a world

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<v Speaker 1>where you can really do that in a in an

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<v Speaker 1>in stint, you would have to have this long exposure

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<v Speaker 1>time in order to achieve that so kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>special effect just by the very limitation of the media itself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the exposure time is early on would would make things,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, look very otherworldly. And it was just

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<v Speaker 1>because it was out of necessity, that's what they had. Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have any option really, Like it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>it had nothing to do with shutter speed or any

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<v Speaker 1>of the other stuff we talked about with cameras. It

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<v Speaker 1>had specifically to do with the limitation of the materials,

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<v Speaker 1>the chemicals they were using. By eighteen thirty three, that's

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<v Speaker 1>when we first start seeing the term photograph being used. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, it was apparently coined by a fellow

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<v Speaker 1>named Hercules Florence or Hercule floren if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be fancy. Uh. He coined the term, using it to

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<v Speaker 1>describe a process in which he used paper with silver

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<v Speaker 1>salts to produce prints of drawings. However, his work actually

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<v Speaker 1>largely took place in Brazil, and because Brazil was so

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<v Speaker 1>far removed from all the other areas that we're looking into,

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<v Speaker 1>this mostly in Europe, his work remained largely unknown until

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies. And I would like to notice is

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting work. It's something to look into. He had

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<v Speaker 1>some nice photographs, yeah. Yeah. And and our next fellow

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<v Speaker 1>who made a big impression on photography is one that

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<v Speaker 1>probably most people have heard, at least heard the technology

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<v Speaker 1>named after him. That would be uh, Louis jacquesmand the

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<v Speaker 1>Gare type. Yeah. So he used the camera obscura in

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<v Speaker 1>a plate of iodized silver, which would allow him to

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<v Speaker 1>create a latent image of a scene. That's what Dylan

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about just a minute ago. And he found

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<v Speaker 1>that if you expose that plate to mercury vapor, the

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<v Speaker 1>exposed parts of the image, the ones that had been

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to light, would become visible, so it would develop.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where we start talking about developing photographs, and

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<v Speaker 1>that approach reduced the exposure times needed eventually from eight

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<v Speaker 1>hours down to around half an hour ish um using

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<v Speaker 1>this particular approach, But there was a drawback. If the

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<v Speaker 1>developed picture was exposed to light, like after you've taken it,

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<v Speaker 1>then the unexposed areas of silver would continue to darken

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually the image would become impossible to see. So

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have an image for a while. But again, imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that you have a photograph in your hand and you

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<v Speaker 1>take it out anywhere where there's light, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>just gradually become a dark picture, like there will be

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<v Speaker 1>no no, no way of distinguishing what was there before. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like like it before you expose film and a film

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<v Speaker 1>camera if anyone's ever done that, you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>into a pitch black room to do so because once

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<v Speaker 1>you open the back of the light tight camera, when

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<v Speaker 1>if you have that film exposed to the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to light, it's it's just gonna go completely dark. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be able to take any photographs with

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<v Speaker 1>that role of film right now, Dylan, have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>worked in the dark room? I have, yes, So what

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<v Speaker 1>is what is it like when you are doing something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, like you know the the we've seen movies

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<v Speaker 1>with the process where you've got the people with like

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<v Speaker 1>the three or four different little basins filled with fluid

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<v Speaker 1>and there's never any explanation of what was actually happening.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. It's an updated version of something like the

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<v Speaker 1>gear was doing. The chemicals are a lot less dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>using mercury. You're a lot less likely to go crazy

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<v Speaker 1>or catch on fire. Yes, yes, but it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a process, but it's something that I think if you're

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<v Speaker 1>interested in photography you should you should try the development process,

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<v Speaker 1>um because from going into the closet to load your film,

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out how to open something and put it in

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the camera in Pitch Black, is is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it's frustrating, but it's a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you you know, even to the I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get too ahead of us, but the photo

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<v Speaker 1>the process of taking a photographs a lot different because

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<v Speaker 1>you realize you have like twelve to thirties six shots

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's it's not like on your phone or

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<v Speaker 1>on your digital camera, which is which is great freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>But you think I paid I paid money for this

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<v Speaker 1>film and it makes you much more selective and careful,

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<v Speaker 1>and and only that, but I mean even that is

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<v Speaker 1>a huge step from what we're talking about here, where

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<v Speaker 1>taking a single image required so much effort just the

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<v Speaker 1>not just the taking it, but the developing of that

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<v Speaker 1>single image took so much effort that obviously the composition

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<v Speaker 1>of your shot was really important. And if you messed

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<v Speaker 1>that up, you're talking about a day's work. In some cases,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of for one image. It's it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>for us to forget that in the realm of selfies

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<v Speaker 1>that we have today. Yeah, so I'll definitely be relying

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<v Speaker 1>upon you heavily when we start talking about manipulation in

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<v Speaker 1>this world. But to get back to the history, just

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<v Speaker 1>a couple more points I want to make. Uh, So

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to get who starts solving the problem of

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<v Speaker 1>this image immediately disappearing if you were to expose it

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<v Speaker 1>to light by using ordinary table salt. Actually, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>put it in a water solution. You got your sodium

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<v Speaker 1>chloride solution. He would use that to dissolve the unexposed

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<v Speaker 1>silver iodide that was left on the paper, So that

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<v Speaker 1>way the exposed stuff had already been exposed it's fine.

0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.640
<v Speaker 1>You dissolve everything else, so now that stuff can't end

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<v Speaker 1>up going dark, and you're left with your image and

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<v Speaker 1>you could fix it permanently because light can no longer

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<v Speaker 1>ruin them. And uh, Eventually the gere would find a

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<v Speaker 1>way of producing photographs on silvered copper plate, which was

0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:57.479
<v Speaker 1>kind of his his medium of choice from that point forward. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>there was another fellow, William Henry Fox Talbot, who was

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<v Speaker 1>working on a different approach to create photographic images of

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<v Speaker 1>scientific observations. The reason all right, he was a scientist,

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<v Speaker 1>not he wasn't necessarily interested in photography. Originally he was

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<v Speaker 1>interested in science. But he had a problem. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>draw at all. He had like he would try all

0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.480
<v Speaker 1>these sort of things that he would just trace using

0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.040
<v Speaker 1>a camera obscura didn't matter. He found himself incapable of

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. I find myself sympathizing heavily with him. I

0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.520
<v Speaker 1>have a distinct lack of artistic ability when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to that. So he wanted to find a way to

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<v Speaker 1>preserve scientific observations exactly as they were and record them

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that would not require him to draw

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<v Speaker 1>in any way, shape or fashion. So he started to

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<v Speaker 1>look into a way to create photographic prints on paper,

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<v Speaker 1>not using plates like the gear was using. So he

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<v Speaker 1>used paper soaked in solutions of sodium chlor ride and

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<v Speaker 1>silver nitrate in order to produce silver chloride infused paper.

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<v Speaker 1>And if he exposed that paper to light, it would

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<v Speaker 1>cause the exposed parts to become dark, and that would

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<v Speaker 1>create a negative image. If he took another sheet of

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<v Speaker 1>this and put it against the one that had been

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<v Speaker 1>exposed and then exposed that to light, that would create

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<v Speaker 1>a positive image on the second sheet. And for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, you could get hypothetically more than one print

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<v Speaker 1>from a picture. Yes, you were not limited to whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the original plate was. Now you could produce multiple prints,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming that everything stayed intact through this process, which was painstaking.

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<v Speaker 1>It was still not easy to do um and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there were times where it took some experimentation with this

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<v Speaker 1>approach to get it to work just right, because often

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<v Speaker 1>they were having quality issues with transferring the image from

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<v Speaker 1>the negative to the the secondary sheet. And it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>until nine that Talbot felt that he had really nailed it.

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<v Speaker 1>He had actually talked with his friend, an astronomer named

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<v Speaker 1>Sir John herschel Uh in a way to fix the

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<v Speaker 1>negatives using sodium thiosulfate, which at the time they called

0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.160
<v Speaker 1>sodium hypo sulfate, and found that that was what allowed it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then then he heard about the Gear and he thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is the era of everyone trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>patents for things to protect their ideas so that other

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<v Speaker 1>folks don't just run away with him. So he immediately

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<v Speaker 1>rushes to publication to beat the French to the punch

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<v Speaker 1>because he knew that the French publication about the Gears

0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.320
<v Speaker 1>work was coming. So he said, well, I can't drag

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<v Speaker 1>my feet on this and rushed ahead. Uh and this

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<v Speaker 1>is a story we hear over and over again in technology.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not you know, radio was another big one like that,

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<v Speaker 1>so television as well. So eighteen forty was the March

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty was really when the first photography studio that

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<v Speaker 1>we know of opened, And it was in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>Oric City, and it was it was called the Dagarin

0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Parlor and it was operated by Alexander Woolcott. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>so you finally had a place that was open to

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<v Speaker 1>the public. It was no longer these uh the scientists, physicists, researchers,

0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and others who were all interested in this concept. Now

0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.040
<v Speaker 1>it was something that ordinary people could have some access to,

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of a long road to making photography very personal, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and also the birth of our era of narcissism. That's

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<v Speaker 1>probably being unkind uh. And around around this time you

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<v Speaker 1>also started to see improvements in both lens design, camera design,

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<v Speaker 1>and the chemical processes that meant that development time had

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<v Speaker 1>decreased significantly enough where you could sit for a portrait

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<v Speaker 1>without having to stay absolutely still for three hours, which

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. Uh. You know. Suddenly, suddenly portraiture became more

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<v Speaker 1>of an attainable thing for families, and it became very

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<v Speaker 1>popular pretty early on, especially by the eighteen sixties to

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen eighties. It became it was a huge movement

0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.760
<v Speaker 1>at that point, and there are lots more things that

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<v Speaker 1>happened from that point forward. Obviously, there was the development

0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.720
<v Speaker 1>of Calow type, which is a negative development process that

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<v Speaker 1>Talbot had created that made photography on paper more practical

0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.720
<v Speaker 1>by reducing the exposure times down to one minute. Pretty incredible.

0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.879
<v Speaker 1>At the time, Stereoscopic photography became a thing that's when

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<v Speaker 1>you take two images using cameras or lenses that approximate

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<v Speaker 1>the distance of a person's eyes. You did, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was very popular during the Civil War. Yes, it was exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you would take you would take these two images and

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<v Speaker 1>then you would use something called usually called a stereoscope,

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<v Speaker 1>which was essentially a kind of a pair of glasses

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<v Speaker 1>held the two images at a certain distance from your eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>so when you looked at it, it creates the illusion

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<v Speaker 1>of depth. It's essentially a primitive three D and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of them. You could adjust the lenses back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth until the image came in focus for you, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Because of course not everyone is like our Our focal

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<v Speaker 1>points are a little different. Uh. It's the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>that we see now with various headsets where you have

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<v Speaker 1>ways to adjust the lenses so that if your eyes

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<v Speaker 1>are a little set, a little further apart or a

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<v Speaker 1>little closer together, because a tiny difference from the average

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<v Speaker 1>can mean you have a very different experience than someone

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<v Speaker 1>who is closer. To the end, you can still do

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same thing on a digital s l R

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<v Speaker 1>through the viewfinder. Everybody can just set it up for

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<v Speaker 1>because sometimes you'll pick up someone else's and and you're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this person has very different eyes than I do. And

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<v Speaker 1>also you can get a very similar effect to this

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<v Speaker 1>using Uh there there are apps on phones now that

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<v Speaker 1>do essentially the same thing that this is doing, only

0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:06.320
<v Speaker 1>they're using the the software in an app that like

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<v Speaker 1>a Google Cardboard as an example, where you actually go

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<v Speaker 1>and you buy a little cardboard headset and you turn

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<v Speaker 1>your phone landscape side, you activate the Google Cardboard app,

0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.520
<v Speaker 1>you slide it into the headset, and now you've got

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<v Speaker 1>your own little virtual reality headset. It's based on the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same principle as this photography. It's just in that

0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.840
<v Speaker 1>case you're talking about more like video animation that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff rather than still photography. But it's the same idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there was the wet Colodeon process, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I'm even saying that correctly. Yes, oh excellent,

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<v Speaker 1>That was used to make glass negatives and was much

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<v Speaker 1>faster than earlier methods provided that you were able to

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<v Speaker 1>work quickly. Yeah, I mean you it kind of birth

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<v Speaker 1>the digital I mean not that, it kind of birth

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<v Speaker 1>the portable dark room. Yeah, because if you had everything

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<v Speaker 1>with you, you could do it in like fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's which was incredible speed compared to the previous methods,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could have huge Yeah, so you can make

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<v Speaker 1>enormous negative. Wow. So the challenge here is that the

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<v Speaker 1>the method relied upon the glass retaining that that moisture

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<v Speaker 1>on it that was used for the process, and if

0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 1>it dried out, then your negative was ruined. So you

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<v Speaker 1>had to work quickly in order for you to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to take advantage of this. But on the flip side,

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<v Speaker 1>the process itself was very fast, so that was a

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<v Speaker 1>big advance. And then there was an even larger one

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later, which was the dry plate technology.

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<v Speaker 1>I was developed by an English physician named Wretcher Richard

0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Leech Maddox in eight seventy one UM, which eliminates some

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<v Speaker 1>of the drawbacks of the glass approach. You didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to have the plate remain wet for the whole process.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's kind of where I get to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm I say, all right, I'm gonna step back

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<v Speaker 1>from the chemistry. Obviously, I could keep going to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where a lot of the chemicals have changed into

0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:03.840
<v Speaker 1>the safer ones that we use today, and also the

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<v Speaker 1>move from glass and paper to film, but the basics

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<v Speaker 1>of what we're needed for photo manipulation to come into play.

0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.960
<v Speaker 1>All existed by this time. In fact, photo manipulation was

0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:22.040
<v Speaker 1>already a thing before eight UM and early manipulation. Sometimes

0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.639
<v Speaker 1>it was again it was perfectly innocent. It might be

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<v Speaker 1>that you take an image and you look at the negative,

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<v Speaker 1>and you realize from the negative that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>flaw of some sort. So you might alter the negative

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit before creating a print so that you

0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:39.480
<v Speaker 1>can compensate for some error that was made. Either the

0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.720
<v Speaker 1>exposure wasn't quite right, the lighting wasn't quite right, or

0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.160
<v Speaker 1>the subject moved or whatever. That may be the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we do today. Yeah, So it's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>a sinister or unethical uh motivation to manipulate a photo,

0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:59.960
<v Speaker 1>but there are those as well. So if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at some of the earlier edits, sometimes it meant that

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<v Speaker 1>you would alter the negative, as I had mentioned, sometimes

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 1>you would alter a print um, in which case you might.

0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.639
<v Speaker 1>In fact, early, because we were limited to black and

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>white photography, you had some people who would present make

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<v Speaker 1>photographs and make a make a print of a photograph

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:21.879
<v Speaker 1>or a negative rather and then turn it over to

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<v Speaker 1>an artist who might actually add color by painting over

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the photograph. You want blues guys, you know you put

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<v Speaker 1>a little pant on there. Yeah. Yeah, it's the best

0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.119
<v Speaker 1>solution to the problem at the time. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>a type of photo manipulation. I mean it was one

0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 1>that everyone was aware of, but it was still a

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:42.880
<v Speaker 1>way of manipulating the photos. Uh. You could also do

0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 1>things like you could do a composite uh picture where

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<v Speaker 1>that's a little bit odd. Honestly, this was one of

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 1>those things that I understand the basics of, but I

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know how it would actually happen. But generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>you would use two or more negatives to produce a

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:04.200
<v Speaker 1>single print, and there were a lot of composites out

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:07.919
<v Speaker 1>there for they were done for various reasons, sometimes in

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<v Speaker 1>order to include a person who was not able to

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:14.960
<v Speaker 1>be present at a particular photo session, or to create

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:18.920
<v Speaker 1>a particular artistic field. There's some really famous artists who

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<v Speaker 1>composed amazing pictures using as many as fifty or more

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 1>negatives in order to achieve it. And honestly, at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you guys are magicians. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>this works. Yeah, I mean, as far as photo montage

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>photo manipulation goes, there are people like Jerry Yulesman who

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<v Speaker 1>goes into a dark room, takes fifty negative, splices them

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<v Speaker 1>up with an exact o knife and makes a print

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and you you can't tell. It's like someone using photoshop

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 1>in their wizard, but it's all analog. But early on

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<v Speaker 1>you had you had Matthew Brady, who I like to

0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:53.920
<v Speaker 1>think of and I think a lot of people think

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 1>of him this way as the first celebrity photographer who

0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 1>had a studio, and he took portraits of almost every

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 1>politician around that period, around like the Civil War era,

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<v Speaker 1>um and he had two very famous manipulations, one that

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:12.399
<v Speaker 1>he did not do, but one of his photographs was

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<v Speaker 1>used for part of it. I'm guessing that's the Lincoln one.

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>The Lincoln portrait that is his it's his head um

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>that Matthew Brady took that photograph. It's the same one

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.439
<v Speaker 1>that's used on the five dollar bill exactly. And the

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:31.919
<v Speaker 1>body was of John Calhoun was a Southerner entirely, and

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>uh it was too. It was because during Lincoln's life

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:40.360
<v Speaker 1>they felt like they didn't have enough heroic photographs of Lincoln. Yes,

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>this is an iconic picture of what appears to be

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln standing in front of a desk and there's like

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:51.120
<v Speaker 1>an American flag in the picture, and uh, there's um,

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a it's a very striking photograph, it is.

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 1>And what's really interesting to me is even back then

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of manipulation in that photograph, Uh, that there

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<v Speaker 1>are papers on the table, and when it was a

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:10.199
<v Speaker 1>portrait of John Calhoun, the words on the table that

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:14.159
<v Speaker 1>you could read where strict constitution, free trade, and the

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 1>sovereignty of the states. But the Lincoln version says constitution,

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Union and the Proclamation of Freedom. That's fascinating that they

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 1>were able to get to that level of granularity in

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<v Speaker 1>the change. And and you know, there are there are

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 1>lots of different ways of achieving this sort of stuff.

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was the you know, you could go

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<v Speaker 1>to the negative and you could change the negative by

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 1>splicing stuff together and then producing a print. Or you

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 1>could do something where you're literally cutting and pasting, but

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>you're doing it on the print and then you take

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>a photograph of the print developed that and that becomes

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 1>your new photographs. So in other words, you can take

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 1>two pictures and you literally cut out the image of

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>something that you want from one paste it over top

0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the image that already exists, take a photo of it,

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>develop it, and that could be a way of doing

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 1>it too. That's so interesting because that's something that I

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people did in elementary school, is

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that they went through magazines for projects and I would

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 1>cut out one part and put it over another part.

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Is very much like collage. It's yeah. And and there

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>was the picture Matthew Brady did of Ulysses S. Grant,

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's supposed to be of him in front of

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:26.119
<v Speaker 1>his troops in City Point, Virginia, but it's not. No,

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 1>it's actually three different photos all meshed together. Uh. It's

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 1>it's the body of Major General Alexander M. M. Cook.

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>And uh, then it's the head of Ulysses S. Grant

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>on top of the body. So the body's on a horse,

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:44.479
<v Speaker 1>So it's Ulysses S. Grant on the body of this

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 1>other general, major general. And the people in the background

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 1>are not Union soldiers, their Confederate prisoners. Yeah, so it's

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 1>it's it's that's a very interesting photo. Especially. I think

0:27:55.600 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that's an early example of UM. I wouldn't say that

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>it was meant to deceive as much, but of maybe misinformation. Yeah,

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 1>you could argue, you know, you could call it propaganda

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 1>if you like. It was really meant to create again,

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 1>this heroic image. In fact, a lot of the pictures

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 1>that for political manipulation are really about elevating a particular

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 1>person to make them seem more iconic and or or

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>eliminate things that elevated person no longer liked. Military based

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>for the most Oh yeah, a lot of a lot

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 1>of military ones. Uh. Yeah, there's also the the General

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Francis B. P. Blair being added to a group of

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>of other generals, including General Sherman. So this is a group.

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 1>If you see the two different photos, you'll see one

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>where there's a group of generals sitting together, and then

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 1>the second photo there's an extra general sitting way off

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to the right. Yeah, that was that other Matthew Brady

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>image I was speaking of. And it's also really well done.

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, I mean it's he's he's definitely feels a

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>little ostracized, but other than that, it looks like he

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>fits it does. Yeah, maybe he wasn't. Maybe they felt

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>like he wasn't as important. A bit over in the corner,

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go sit up. The kid's table and let

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the adult generals talk about the war over here. Yeah,

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>but it looks good. Yeah, it does look good. And

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>that is also really interesting to me because it was

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>clear that even early on, those photographers who are working

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>with this medium and trying to create these composite images

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>or manipulate these photos in some way already had an

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 1>innate understanding of if I want to do this and

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 1>make it look right, lighting is really important. I can't

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>ignore the fact that a scene lit from the left

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and as subject who's lit from the right that I've

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>added in later are going to look wrong. Yeah, I

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 1>mean they're even now. There are a lot of photos

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>released by by very professional agencies that don't take as

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>much of that into consideration. Is even some of these

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>people fifty years ago, right, and those images get torn

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>apart on Reddit. You can go to Reddit and you'll

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>just see people saying, well, this is clearly photoshop because

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>if you look at the shadows they're on the you know,

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah blah, you can tell that the

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>lighting is higher into the left instead of low into

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the right or whatever. In some cases, it's really subtle,

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and uh, And it's people who have a greater attention

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>span and better sense of detail than idea. I'll look

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>at it go like, holy cow, you're right, Like I

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't notice it before. But yeah, there's still some other

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 1>really cool ones that I can talk about. Like in

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy, photographer William H. Mummler use double exposure. So

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 1>that's another way of editing and manipulating photos that we

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>can talk about for a second. He used double exposure

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>to create what people have dubbed spirit photography. Now, double

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>exposure is exactly what it sounds like. It's exposing the

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>same whatever photographic medium, whether it's film or a plate

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, to light twice, so you can create kind

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 1>of a double image look. And usually one of those

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 1>looks kind of transparent, like a weaker image than the

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>other one. And sometimes this was used for artistic effect,

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>like that I saw one that was of an actor

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.720
<v Speaker 1>who in what in his in his regular pose the

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 1>darker pose, stood very tall and dignified, and in the

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 1>second post he's bent over with his hands stretched out

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a like a classic universal monster. And

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the first thing I thought when I saw I was like,

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that's a perfect photograph if you want to get across

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the concept of Jekyl and hide. But that was not

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 1>what the intent was from what I was reading. But

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>as I saw it, I just thought that was the

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 1>immediate reaction I had. And Uh, in this case, a

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 1>mumbler used double exposures on a pretty famous person, Mary

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Todd Lincoln. Yes, so there's this image of Mary Todd

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 1>seated and behind her is this the ghostly apparition of

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Abraham Lincoln? And he even has his hands on her

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>shoulders and you can see through his hands to her shoulders.

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty effective, and it helps because he was so lanky.

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 1>It really does kind of look ghoulish. Yeah, and and

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>again this is just achieved through double exposure. Some people

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>do this just for artistic effect. There have been cases

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>where people have used double exposure specifically to mislead or deceive,

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>But in this case, I wouldn't. I would. I would

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>argue that it wasn't necessarily meant to do that. It

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>was more of a memorium for someone at least that's

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the implication. I feel. There were definitely ghost or spirit

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>photographers who took it a different way, and we're claiming

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>to get pictures of spirits. Yeah, like the ectoplasm. Uh,

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>photography as well, just that whole I mean that that

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>gets past photography. But there are a lot of pictures

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>with people with cheese cloths coming out of there, right, yeah,

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>cheese cloth. That's like that's a go to for hoaxers. Um. Yeah,

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>And and I promise when we get to we'll probably

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>save it for post digital. But I gotta talk to

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>you about orbs, So we'll chat about orbs in the

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>post digital section. But I've got my favorite story of No,

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not even photo manipulation, it's just trickery. I bet

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 1>it is. Does the year nineteen seventeen kind of fit

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 1>into that? Yes, we're gonna talk about the fairies. Okay,

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 1>So Dylan, you don't know this about me when I was,

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>But it's not a surprise because I was a kid once.

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>When I was a kid, uh, and I was going

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>to elementary school, I would check out all the books

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>on ghosts and monsters and folklore, and I would read

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>them cover to cover and I would check them out again. Excellent.

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>So I will never forget when I was reading about

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and two young girls and a

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>bunch of fairies out in the woods and the two

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>young girls were cousins or Elsie Wright and Francis Griffiths,

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and they had all these photographs of them sitting around

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>in Glenn's surrounded by fairies frolicking about. Yeah, the Coddingly fairies.

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>It was taken near Coddingly, England, famous famous hoax uh

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, of course, the author of

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the Sherlock Holmes Mysteries. He was for a long time

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>hardcore skeptic, but then suffered some tragedy in his life

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and started to turn to mysticism and spiritualists in an

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 1>effort to answer questions that he could not answer himself,

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and there was sort of a decline. It was very

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of ironic from someone who presented a character who

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>was as dispassionate and rationalist Sherlock Holmes to end up

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 1>embracing the idea of these two girls who had managed

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>to capture images of fairies. And it wouldn't be until

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 1>near the end of their lives that they revealed that

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:01.280
<v Speaker 1>all they did was take illustration that were from books

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 1>and cut them out and paced them onto cardboard and

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>pose the cardboard around them and take photographs. So they

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>actually didn't do any manipulation at all. Yeah, they just

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>set a scene and did I. I think it wasn't

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>until the late seventies or early eighties that one of

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>them admitted to it. And then the famous skeptic James

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Randy also said that he was like, well, these illustrations

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:29.799
<v Speaker 1>are exactly the same as these illustrations from this book

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 1>that came out in nineteen fifteen. Yeah. Yeah, he he

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.919
<v Speaker 1>had a book called flim Flam where he talked about

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 1>it a lot. James Randy did. That was decades later, Yeah,

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:42.879
<v Speaker 1>very much later. So that's that's crazy, because they sent

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>it that it folded a photographer named Harold Snelling, and

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>he said quote that they were genuine, unfaked photographs of

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>single exposure open air work showed movement and all the

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.839
<v Speaker 1>fairy figures and there's no trace whatever of studio work

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>involving card are paper models, dark backgrounds, painted figures, et cetera. Yeah,

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 1>so he was he was writ in the sense there

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 1>was single exposure, but there was no movement. They were

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.359
<v Speaker 1>paper figures. In fact, there are people who who when

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>they really looked at the photos, they said, you can

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 1>see evidence of some movement in the human subjects, but

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the fairies, who presumably would be moving much faster because

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 1>some of them are like mid leap or flight or whatever,

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 1>there's no blurring around them. And again, the exposure time

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>at this point it was still relatively long, much longer

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 1>than say the cameras that would be used a few

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>decades later, and so any fast movement would be very blurry.

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't come across so sharp and crisp as these

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>photos did. But they were very compelling at the time,

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people bought into it, including Sir

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Arthur Conan Doyle. Uh and I've got another one. In

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty four. We have a fellow by the name

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 1>of Bernard McFadden who creates a technique called composed a graph.

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:57.839
<v Speaker 1>Do you know of McFadden, I don't. I don't believe.

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>So let me take you downe the lurid, dirty, dirty

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:09.359
<v Speaker 1>path to tabloid journalism, because this is tabloid journalism at

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>its most scheezy. So here here's McFadden. He is working

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>on a tabloid magazine called New York Evening Graphic, which

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 1>some people nicknamed porno Graphic. So what he would do

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>is there would be news stories of various uh public figures,

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 1>whether celebrities, politicians, whatever, sports stars, whatever it may be,

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>and there'd be a story of some scandal. Like again,

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 1>this is a tabloid, so they're all about scandal. What

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>he would do is he would take images, uh like

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>of people's faces in these stories. Then he would pose

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>um body doubles, sometimes mannequins sometimes they were staffers of

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:59.439
<v Speaker 1>the magazine into a tableau, take a picture, and then

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.359
<v Speaker 1>do paste of the famous people's heads on top of

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 1>the figures that he had posed, and then do things

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>like a superimposed word balloon on top of it to

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 1>express some statement that went along with the scandalous story. Wow,

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean Nino, I thought, how could it be skisier

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 1>than like today's tabloids. But that's that's that's on. That's

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 1>just right there. I don't know if you've ever seen

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>have you ever seen any of the computer animated videos

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.760
<v Speaker 1>that come out of it's some Asian country, but it's

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 1>but it's the retelling of famous story. Yeah, same principle here,

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>except he was doing it with still photography. Yeah. And

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>uh so that by the way, that that tabloid did

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 1>not last too long. I think in the early nineteen

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 1>thirties that it folded, it went bankrupt. But um definitely

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:56.760
<v Speaker 1>was one of those means of photo manipulation that gave

0:38:56.880 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the whole the whole concept of bad name. So there

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.319
<v Speaker 1>were the political ones we had talked about previously, then

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 1>there there was this one where I mean, it's just

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of a long line of commercial uses of

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>photo manipulation and photo editing in order to sell papers, essentially,

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 1>is what it gets down to. Yeah, or or you know,

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>to kind of cause harm to someone's image. That that

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:25.280
<v Speaker 1>that that was the genesis of that, And that's something

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:29.720
<v Speaker 1>that every time that political campaign comes around every four years,

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 1>you have to be extra weary of the photographs that

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>start circulating. Yeah. And and not only that, but you'll

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 1>see artists will use it, usually transparently. I mean, the

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>artist approach normally is not to create an image that

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>you think is real. The artist's intent might be to

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>make a statement about a particular person. I remember seeing

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>one artist who had created a photograph and it was

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.800
<v Speaker 1>of a crowd out on the street, and then overtop

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the crowd was this inky looking octopus with the head

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 1>of William Randolph Hurst. So obviously the comment being that

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Hearst is manipulating the public through the media, and obviously

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 1>he's not inky no, nor does he have eight appendages.

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 1>He had terrible taste in home decor. I'll say that

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>as someone who's walked through the Hearst Castle. This was

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>clearly a guy who had so much money. He just said,

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I like that thing. Put it in my house. It

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter if baroque, don't care if it's if it's

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 1>broken Gothic in the same room along with some even

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>older stuff and some newer stuff, that's fine. And I

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 1>who have no taste would walk through and y'all this

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 1>is tacky. So we've we've talked about those. Let's talk

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about not not adding stuff in, but

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:56.360
<v Speaker 1>taking stuff away also. That became pretty prevalent around that

0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 1>same period of time, the nineteen twenties, that was a

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>big period of time for well, World War One, World

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 1>War two, that that kind of period in time. Yeah,

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 1>we had a lot of um of famous leaders who

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:16.720
<v Speaker 1>had finnicky attitudes towards their followers, and when they would

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.320
<v Speaker 1>get a little peeved that said followers, they would attempt

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 1>to erase said followers. From history entirely. Not just not

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 1>just execute the person. That's not good enough. They have

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:30.239
<v Speaker 1>to erase the fact that that person ever existed, including

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>removing them from photographs. And example, yeah, sometimes you get

0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>removed from a photograph and you'd also be dead. Yes,

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 1>sometimes sometimes they would kill you first and then say,

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 1>all right, well, now that he's dead, let's go ahead

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:48.640
<v Speaker 1>and remove him from all the official photographs, like press photos,

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:51.600
<v Speaker 1>things like that. Big famous example of this would be

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:57.719
<v Speaker 1>a photo that originally had Nikolai Yazkov or Yeshov rather

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 1>posing with Joe's Stalin. This is the Vanishing Commissar photograph

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 1>and um, it's a picture of a group of gentlemen

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 1>including Mr Stalin. Uh and yes Hoff and yes, I'm

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 1>standing right next to um a wall that leads right

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>over to a river, and Stalin's immediately to his right.

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 1>And then the retouched photo he's gone. Yeah. An example

0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.920
<v Speaker 1>of air brushing, Yeah, air brushing exactly. So. An airbrush

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 1>is a tool that uses air to push through some

0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 1>form of paint or ink or whatever it may be,

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>in order for you to do some uh, you know,

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 1>analog hand controlled art. And in some cases it could

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 1>be to hide something that was once there. Yeah, Like

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:50.319
<v Speaker 1>if you use photoshop today, it's the same idea as

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:53.439
<v Speaker 1>content to wear or the clones stamp just to take

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, to put texture back into the photograph where

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>something used to be right and if you were really

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 1>good at it, in my be difficult, especially on a

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 1>casual glance, to notice that anything hinky has happened. There's

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 1>some examples where you can look at and think, huh,

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:10.720
<v Speaker 1>if I did not know that there once was someone

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 1>standing there, I never would have picked up on the

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 1>fact that this photo has been altered. There are others

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 1>where there might be some clues, particularly with things that

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 1>have fine detail. Sometimes that will be a giveaway. L

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty noticeable with Gebals, well, technically without Gebels, it

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.959
<v Speaker 1>was originally Girbels was in the photograph. And I love

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 1>that every instance that talks about this says, we don't

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 1>know why. Yeah, we don't know why Hitler got mad

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:38.719
<v Speaker 1>at Gebels or what the reasoning was, or why he

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 1>decided to erase him from this photo. He just did.

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's not done particularly well because there's a blob. Yeah,

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the Stalin one is a little more convincing. Mostly because

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 1>the water in the background is a very light, like

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 1>the sunlight is hitting it, so it's harder to see

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:58.719
<v Speaker 1>that there was once a form there um. But some

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 1>of the other ones are a lot or obvious by

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 1>the way. The Stalin one, when I see the before

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 1>and after pictures, to me, it just feels like one

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 1>moment Stalin's there next to him, and the next moment,

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Stalin just pushes him off into the river, which somewhere. Yeah,

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not that far off from the truth because he

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 1>did have him executed. So uh. And I don't mean

0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:21.359
<v Speaker 1>to laugh about that. I don't think it's funny, but

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I but it is one of those images where you

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>just look at and you you know, it lends itself

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 1>to that kind of thought. Uh. And Hitler and Stalin

0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>were not the only ones to do this. Mounts a

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:35.399
<v Speaker 1>tongue did it. He had a famous photo where there

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:39.239
<v Speaker 1>was a supporter named Poku who was posed among I

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 1>think they were like originally there were four people in

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>the photograph and then three Poku was removed. Uh, Poku

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 1>fell out of favor, and you can tell that this

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 1>one was manipulated to there's uh, there's a background behind

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 1>where Poku was standing that has mysteriously gotten really blobby

0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 1>and dark, and it's not the same color as the

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 1>rounding wood in the structure that's there. So if you

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 1>look at the first photo where you can see where

0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:08.239
<v Speaker 1>the wood is a certain standard color all the way

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 1>through up to the point where you can't see anymore

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:12.319
<v Speaker 1>because pocus in the way, and the other one looks

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 1>all blobby, You're like, something's wrong here. It's also weird

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>when it's you. You see like a lineup of people

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and then you wonder, like, why are they standing like that? Yeah?

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Can I talk about my favorite? Sure, it's the one

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 1>of Mussolini. Have you seen this one where he's on

0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:30.799
<v Speaker 1>a horse and he's holding a sword up to the

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 1>sky and uh. In the original there's a horse handler, yes,

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 1>standing right at the very mouth of the horse, holding

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>the horse's head steady, and he had and removed and

0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:43.439
<v Speaker 1>it's a good it's a good it's a good job.

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:46.240
<v Speaker 1>It looks it looks legitimate, but not like the artist

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 1>gave the horse buck teeth or something. But just that idea, um,

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I think is the perfect amount of posturing for someone

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 1>like that. They would definitely do something like and and

0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.800
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what I was saying before, with the idea

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 1>that you know, to try and make certain figures seem

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:07.479
<v Speaker 1>more majestic. Uh. You know, if if you're if your

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.360
<v Speaker 1>identity that you are presenting to the public relies on

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you are this powerful figure, you don't

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 1>want it seeing that you need someone there to control

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the horse that you're sitting on. You want it to

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>look like you have that, you know, that amazing ability yourself,

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 1>So you don't want there to seem to be any

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:32.319
<v Speaker 1>sign of weakness perceived in any way. And that was

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:35.799
<v Speaker 1>another great example of that. Um, did you did you

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>know about the one from from a group of Russians

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:43.319
<v Speaker 1>who are erecting the Soviet flag above the Reichstag. Yes,

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 1>and that in the original image, Uh, one of them

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:50.000
<v Speaker 1>has on two watches. Yeah, he has a band on

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 1>his right arm that some people think was a watch,

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 1>but it probably was actually a compass, so it probably

0:46:57.239 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 1>was legitimately there. But the reason why of images altered.

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 1>If you look at the altered image, the band has

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>gone off the right arm, and the reasoning was that

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:10.799
<v Speaker 1>if people saw that he had a band on his

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:13.399
<v Speaker 1>right arm, they would think he must already be wearing

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 1>a watch on his left arm. That's where people wear

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:18.320
<v Speaker 1>their watches. So he must have been looting the bodies

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:21.400
<v Speaker 1>of the dead and put on another watch on his

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>other arm, and they didn't want that to be part

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of the image. Truth is, he probably didn't loud the dead.

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 1>He probably was wearing a compass on that arm and

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a watch on his other arm. Idea to come to. Yeah,

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:39.480
<v Speaker 1>it's and and it's interesting because to me, it's interesting

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:44.320
<v Speaker 1>in that they were just trying to bypass a misinterpretation

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>of the photo, and that, in fact the photo was

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:51.400
<v Speaker 1>probably already not indicating that this guy was a looter.

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:55.520
<v Speaker 1>It was just well, to be safe, we should probably

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>take that out. And it's also a very small part

0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:01.640
<v Speaker 1>of the photograph. Yeah, it's This is not like a

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 1>close up on the man's wrist. In fact that you

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:08.160
<v Speaker 1>have to look really closely to notice it. But they

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 1>were concerned and so they did. And then the next

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:13.759
<v Speaker 1>one I have is actually you you mentioned him uh

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Jerry and Uhlsman in nineteen sixty nine, one of the

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:22.360
<v Speaker 1>both most most striking photos I've seen. That again was

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 1>presented without it being you know, it's not meant to

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:30.360
<v Speaker 1>deceive or misrepresent. It's an artistic expression and it is

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 1>this amazing photo of trees that are suspended in the air,

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:40.960
<v Speaker 1>complete with roots systems, and it's gorgeous. And if if

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>you haven't seen his work, I would suggest looking at

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 1>it because this surreal and and impeccably done. Yeah, it

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 1>is amazing to look at. I I was, and I'm

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 1>not generally speaking of visual arts kind of guy um

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>one of my other flaws, but when I saw this,

0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't help but really appreciate the mass story

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>of the art that it would take to produce such

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>an image. It's interesting because his wife is as good

0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:09.160
<v Speaker 1>at photoshop as he is in the dark room. Interesting. Yeah,

0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 1>we'll have to talk more about that in part two. Um.

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 1>So there's some other examples we can give, Like there's

0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:22.479
<v Speaker 1>there's the famous National Geographic UH cover in nWo. Push

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:26.799
<v Speaker 1>the pyramids closer together for a better composition of GI Yeah. Yeah.

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.080
<v Speaker 1>The the original photo was done in sort of a

0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:31.160
<v Speaker 1>landscape mode, and of course in order to put it

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 1>onto a cover of a magazine, they needed to be

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:35.719
<v Speaker 1>more portraits, so they squished them together. So if you

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 1>look the pyramids are they appear to be geographically closer

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 1>to one another than they are in reality, and some

0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:47.400
<v Speaker 1>people began to criticize the magazine for saying, you're you're

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.440
<v Speaker 1>misrepresenting reality. You're putting this forward as if this is

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the way it looks, and this is not how it looks.

0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:55.960
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, um, they got a new director of

0:49:56.000 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>photography who said that, um, everyone in that g thought

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:03.759
<v Speaker 1>that this was the wrong decision. After it went up,

0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 1>the this was a mistake, not a mistake in the

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 1>sense of oops, we did this, but more like that's

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:12.680
<v Speaker 1>something that we should not do because it doesn't reflect

0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the mission of our magazine. And so they had essentially

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.040
<v Speaker 1>made a statement saying we're not going to do that ever. Again,

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:26.439
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the last pre digital cases I can

0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I can think of. Yeah, the most of the ones

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I think of certainly happened after the digital era begins,

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.719
<v Speaker 1>like the really famous ones. Obviously there are countless examples

0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:38.160
<v Speaker 1>that are out there, But that's the last one I

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:42.160
<v Speaker 1>have of the really uh, the notable ones in the

0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 1>pre digital era. And now there were some others that

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:47.359
<v Speaker 1>happened in the post digital era that probably still used

0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 1>some old school approach, Like I'm thinking specifically of a

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:53.399
<v Speaker 1>TV guide car that will talk about in part two.

0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>But let me ask you this, Dylan. Have you have

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 1>you as a photographer, uh apbled in some of these

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 1>techniques for whatever purpose almost every day? Yeah? Yeah, since

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't do photojournalism, Um, I'm not trying to do

0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:16.400
<v Speaker 1>anything that I don't believe is ethical. Um, but let's

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 1>say that for example, here at how stuff works, I've

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:23.120
<v Speaker 1>taken photographs of the staff, and everyone's a while to take.

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:27.160
<v Speaker 1>We have these great big windows that overlook uh the street,

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and um, it's nice to post people and from them

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:31.719
<v Speaker 1>because there's a great light in that area. And so

0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:34.799
<v Speaker 1>I'll take a portrait of one of our hosts in

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 1>front of that window, and then I'll upload it onto

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the computer and I'll realize, oh, there's some cars on

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the road right there. I don't want those cars right there.

0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:47.839
<v Speaker 1>I remove the cars. Or I took a photograph of

0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.520
<v Speaker 1>a couple of our hosts in front of the apartment

0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:53.839
<v Speaker 1>building across the street, and I thought, well, the name

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:56.160
<v Speaker 1>of the apartment building isn't part of our brand, so

0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 1>I should just take it out. Things like that, it's

0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:03.040
<v Speaker 1>just cleaning it up some and things like that. I

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:07.839
<v Speaker 1>know happen every day. I think that now photo manipulation

0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:11.480
<v Speaker 1>is probably a little bit like auto tune, where you

0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:14.920
<v Speaker 1>might not know it, but almost every major release you

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:17.319
<v Speaker 1>here has at least a little bit of auto tune. Yeah,

0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 1>because the original purpose of auto tune was to be unnoticed.

0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:25.520
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't meant to be a a new form of performance.

0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 1>That's how it got that's what it got turned into.

0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 1>And then you had people who were behind auto tune saying, well, crap.

0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:36.040
<v Speaker 1>The whole purpose of this was to make make to

0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:39.640
<v Speaker 1>correct little errors and get people closer to being on

0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:43.640
<v Speaker 1>key and on tune without it becoming a noticeable thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you guys are are are pushing this into

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<v Speaker 1>something else. Not that that isn't legitimate. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's always important to recognize that art sometimes takes

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<v Speaker 1>established processes or technologies and pushes them in new ways.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how you get new stuff. Yeah, you get

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<v Speaker 1>the share effect an auto tune, or you have Andy

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<v Speaker 1>Warhol making prints until they deteriorate over and over again

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<v Speaker 1>on like a like a screen print, over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>But just like how auto tune tries to find uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the right note between two two different notes, tries to

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<v Speaker 1>get you to that right note. Uh. I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people put their their photographs into a light

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<v Speaker 1>room or photoshop and they just try and get it

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<v Speaker 1>to the right exposure, the right saturation, color correction, dodging

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<v Speaker 1>and burning, which we can talk about in the second episode.

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Just small things like that that I think people have

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<v Speaker 1>become so accustomed to that if you gave them an

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<v Speaker 1>image right out of the camera, they would feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been improved upon. Yeah, this, to me

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<v Speaker 1>is really the fascinating part of this, the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>as someone who's who's a casual shutter bug at best,

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<v Speaker 1>like I am not known for the making great composition

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<v Speaker 1>of shots. I take pictures casually in order to capture

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<v Speaker 1>moments to remember. And that's about it. Like, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>about as far as my expertise goes in that area.

0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 1>I have a deep appreciation for people who have a

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<v Speaker 1>great understanding of composition, of lighting, of what needs to

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<v Speaker 1>happen on the camera side in order to capture the

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:22.759
<v Speaker 1>moment that you intend to capture, and only that, but

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<v Speaker 1>what has to happen on the back end after the

0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 1>photo has been quote unquote taken in order for you

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<v Speaker 1>to have the finished picture represent your vision, especially as

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<v Speaker 1>an artist. That's that to me is amazing, Like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot I think. I think I often would think of

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<v Speaker 1>photography the way a lot of early photographers thought about it,

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<v Speaker 1>that photography's purpose is to capture a moment um as

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<v Speaker 1>close to representing it in as being real as possible,

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<v Speaker 1>like like capturing that real moment forever and fixing it

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<v Speaker 1>in a medium so it can stay that way for

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<v Speaker 1>the end of time. And U I don't necessarily, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least I didn't think about the fact that sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>the point where you push the shutter button on your

0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:13.760
<v Speaker 1>camera is just the beginning, and then you have another

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<v Speaker 1>process that follows to get to the photo that you

0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:21.239
<v Speaker 1>want that actually represents your vision. There are definitely two

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<v Speaker 1>sides of it. I mean, to have the idea of,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, getting a photograph, saving it for history

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<v Speaker 1>and not touching it I think is also very important

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<v Speaker 1>depending on the case. It's like when you get the

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<v Speaker 1>audio of the State of the Union, or if the

0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:47.360
<v Speaker 1>President makes an address, you don't cut it because that

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:50.080
<v Speaker 1>that can change context. You shouldn't do the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>um with photojournalism or at least most people believe that.

0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:58.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like there was a famous example in seventy at

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<v Speaker 1>the Kent State shootings that there's a picture of a

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<v Speaker 1>body on the ground and there's a woman grieving over it,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a pole sticking out from behind her head. Um.

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:15.239
<v Speaker 1>And someone saw that photograph and took the pole out.

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<v Speaker 1>And does it change the context of the photograph? Not particularly.

0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:22.200
<v Speaker 1>It was done for compositional reasons, to make it more

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<v Speaker 1>aesthetically pleasing. One of the things that I learned when

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<v Speaker 1>I went to college photo photography is never have a

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<v Speaker 1>pole behind someone's head. It's just it's just you don't

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<v Speaker 1>do it. And yes, but if it starts there with photojournalism,

0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:40.520
<v Speaker 1>if you start by removing a pole, it could only

0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:44.000
<v Speaker 1>escalate from there. Um. And you know, you get to

0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 1>a point where you're like, all right, it was a

0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:47.400
<v Speaker 1>pole in this case. All right, it was someone's ring

0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:50.400
<v Speaker 1>in this case, which changes the context depending upon the

0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:54.720
<v Speaker 1>culture or it was, you know, removing an entire person

0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and erasing that person's presence from an actual historical moment.

0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it does become a slope, right, And if

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<v Speaker 1>when people find out it raises more questions than it

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<v Speaker 1>never really answers, sure, because then you start questioning the

0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:11.239
<v Speaker 1>motivations behind the action, and then you think, well, what

0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 1>are your ulterior motives for making these alterations to this photograph?

0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:19.240
<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know, we've explored some of that here.

0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:22.600
<v Speaker 1>In some cases it was meant to mislead people specifically,

0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:26.160
<v Speaker 1>in some cases it was a matter of ego, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes ego to the point of of megalomaniac maniake

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.439
<v Speaker 1>the egos, I mean Stalin and and Moult s Tong

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<v Speaker 1>and the biggest egos of the twentieth century Hit Learned

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<v Speaker 1>mostly and yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean those are big

0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:45.920
<v Speaker 1>egos and to the point where if you want someone gone,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't just kill them, but you erase all record

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<v Speaker 1>of them. That's insane really to me. But as far

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<v Speaker 1>as people who would have like who would have a

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<v Speaker 1>history of having photos manipulated, yeah, it makes total sense

0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:07.560
<v Speaker 1>that those would be the personalities that demand these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've also, of course, there are plenty of examples

0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:14.960
<v Speaker 1>of other artists and photographers who have manipulated images using

0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 1>pictures of people like those, uh, in order to lampoon

0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:24.720
<v Speaker 1>or youse satire or some other means to make a

0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>message like there's a famous one, uh, not a particularly convincing,

0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:32.160
<v Speaker 1>uh cut and paste job, but there was one where

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<v Speaker 1>it's a picture of of of someone dressed up with

0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:39.080
<v Speaker 1>an apron and they're holding a clever and they're about

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<v Speaker 1>to chop the head off of a of a bird,

0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:46.240
<v Speaker 1>is a bird that represents France, and they've cut and

0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 1>paste Hitler's head on top of the person's head, thus

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<v Speaker 1>representing Hitler's approach to attacking and and conquering France. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was meant as a political statement, And it wasn't

0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 1>meant to mislead obvious, it wasn't. It wasn't. The intent

0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:04.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't to suggest, like look at this weird picture I

0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 1>got of Hitler. It was obviously to make a statement. Yes, yeah,

0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:11.600
<v Speaker 1>so lots of different reasons for this. Now this is

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<v Speaker 1>really neat because it does show the amount of work

0:59:15.200 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 1>necessary to edit and manipulate photos. Sometimes it meant taking

0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:22.680
<v Speaker 1>a risk that you might ruin the negative that you

0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:25.840
<v Speaker 1>had created. Not all of these manipulations when you had

0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to go back to the negative and make some changes, No,

0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:30.680
<v Speaker 1>all of them turned out great. And there is no

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<v Speaker 1>undo button. Yeah, so we have no way of knowing

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<v Speaker 1>how many potentially historical images we've lost as a result

0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 1>of an error made in the manipulation process, it may

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<v Speaker 1>be that there are quite a few that would have

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<v Speaker 1>been iconic photographs that we have never seen because of that. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a different story in the post digital age, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we're going to cover in our next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna wrap up this one. Dylan, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for joining me for this episode. Thank you.

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