WEBVTT - Ep. 455: Render - Jason is Here: The Guy Who Got Shot

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Nucomb and this is a production

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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<v Speaker 1>where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. Brought to you

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the bear Grease Render. We have many distinguished

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<v Speaker 1>guests with us today and I'm going to jump right

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<v Speaker 1>to our number one guests in the to Covi's hot Seat.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you realize you're in the to covi Is Hot Seat?

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<v Speaker 1>Your rock and chair has boots on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it may be the electric chair. Uh man.

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<v Speaker 1>We have Jason Dean with us from Helen Georgia, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jason was spoiler alert. Jason was the protagonist on the

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<v Speaker 1>last bear Grease episode and what you.

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<v Speaker 3>Put that in layman's terms, what a protagon?

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<v Speaker 1>He was the main man? Okay, he was the main man,

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Thought the bist like a villain.

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<v Speaker 1>No PROTAGONA antagonist is the is the protagonist? Is the

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<v Speaker 1>is the is the good guy? The main guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>spoiler alert again if you haven't listened to it, Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Dean was shot with the two seventy rifle in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety and we're going to talk all about that in

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<v Speaker 1>just a minute. So welcome to Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me. I appreciate being here to honor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it I'm so glad. It's an a for

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<v Speaker 1>for you to be here with us. Really, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way I think about it. So so good to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're gonna dig deep in a minute. But we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to cover a few things. First. We have doctor

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<v Speaker 1>mister newcome here.

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<v Speaker 4>Good to be great to see you, always good to

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<v Speaker 4>be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Brent w re very good to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Brent. What's a w stand?

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<v Speaker 1>Can't say it on.

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<v Speaker 3>Under Winner, Winn Winning.

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<v Speaker 5>Brent just splashed a gang sign.

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<v Speaker 6>What is your middle name?

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<v Speaker 7>My middle name is brent By the first name is Danger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Brent doesn't talk about his middle name. That's the reason.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that is Brent is my middle name.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 5>I like to call Brent Brintley Brinley.

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<v Speaker 7>There's two people on this planet to call me Brentley.

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<v Speaker 7>My sister in law, Barbie Gene and and Misty Gene.

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<v Speaker 3>Misty jan You know that's my mother in law, my wife,

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<v Speaker 3>and my daughter's middle name.

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<v Speaker 5>So Gene, they're all Jeans.

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<v Speaker 7>Bailey's middle name is Suzanne. My mother in law's name

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<v Speaker 7>is Suzanne. Alexis middle name is Suzanne. Until Bailey was

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<v Speaker 7>in like the third grade, she thought everybody's middle name

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<v Speaker 7>was Susanne.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were about to say my middle That's

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<v Speaker 1>why talk about it? Is your dad Johnny Ca, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well what about me?

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<v Speaker 5>And keep going?

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<v Speaker 1>Josh land Bridge Spillmaker and Bear John Newcomb you bet, yes, in.

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<v Speaker 3>Their list of credits were always at the bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>Bear.

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<v Speaker 8>I think in the list of credits we should probably

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<v Speaker 8>go by chair niceness. Somehow Bear gets some nicer chairs

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<v Speaker 8>than I do.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, first time, Josh and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Josh and I kind of get the scrappy chairs.

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<v Speaker 3>But you should see our mansions in heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't store up for yourself treasures on Earth where

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<v Speaker 1>moss and moss and rush destroy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure some of this holds up that one.

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<v Speaker 1>So a couple of things we got to just take

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and a bunch more excellent excellent. Number two, You

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<v Speaker 1>guys have heard about the Bear Grease YouTube channel? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably have, but we wanted to. If you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>checked it out, you should go check it out. We

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<v Speaker 1>just we just bumped over one hundred thousand subscribers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just the last couple of days. Yeah, it's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome bear.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on over at the Bear Grease YouTube channel?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, this week we've got a pretty a pretty crazy video,

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<v Speaker 6>absurd video.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it controversial?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it? No?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah? No, I would I wouldn't say that. I mean

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<v Speaker 6>on the surface, I think it would appear that way,

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<v Speaker 6>but whenever you get into it, you realize we were

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<v Speaker 6>going to be doing it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>And it hygenic.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I actually probably contracted its.

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<v Speaker 1>Where Okay, yeah, we were with baited breath. We wait

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<v Speaker 1>to see what this video.

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<v Speaker 6>We took a toilet up and we made it into

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<v Speaker 6>stone points.

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<v Speaker 1>A toilet was a little more content.

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<v Speaker 6>It was like a competition where a bunch of flint

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<v Speaker 6>and apples got together and we took a toilet tank

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<v Speaker 6>crushed it up. You pick a piece and you have

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<v Speaker 6>thirty minutes to make to make any.

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<v Speaker 1>This was at a Big Bow your event, the Tensity classic, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is where a bunch of guys get together

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<v Speaker 1>to make self bows and flint napp points and turns

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<v Speaker 1>out ceramic. Like is in a toilet you could flint

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<v Speaker 1>nap and make an incredible point. I mean, you can

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<v Speaker 1>make a stone point what we call a stone point.

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<v Speaker 1>Should you?

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<v Speaker 2>Should you?

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<v Speaker 1>Good question is you know you can make a point

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<v Speaker 1>out of glass, literally a glass bottle. You can make

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<v Speaker 1>it out of ceramic, you can make it out all

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. You can make one out of a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of concrete. You know, it may not be that sharp,

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<v Speaker 1>but so these guys make points, and so y'all made

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<v Speaker 1>one out of a toilet?

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<v Speaker 2>Who won?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh is a fella named Jack Crafty?

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<v Speaker 1>What happened to your real name? Joe W.

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<v Speaker 2>Crafty?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably?

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<v Speaker 6>Well my point it was all right. I mean I

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<v Speaker 6>got to point out, but it was it was nothing special.

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<v Speaker 6>There are some I'm not that great of a flint napper,

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<v Speaker 6>but I can flint napp. Yeah, these guys were some

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<v Speaker 6>incredible the best flint nappers I've ever been around.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>They were just thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>What does it do? What does it do to your

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<v Speaker 1>social credibility to have that on your resume, that you

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<v Speaker 1>have flint napp? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Commind of hard to say, because the I will say,

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<v Speaker 6>of my all the videos that I've ever posted on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 6>that one has that I posted last year as twenty

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<v Speaker 6>million views across all platforms, and I've never had a

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<v Speaker 6>video get anywhere close to that. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>what that says about it necessarily, other than.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's just a commoter.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just a very obscure thing to have on your

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<v Speaker 6>commote angler your resume.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know what that does for my social credibility.

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<v Speaker 8>I think there might be a different relationship that that

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<v Speaker 8>experience has with your YouTube channel and your Instagram feed

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<v Speaker 8>than like you're.

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<v Speaker 6>Then like if I told yeah, yeah, yeah, Like if

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<v Speaker 6>I was like on a date and I was like, exactly, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't don't just don't lead. Is that what advice you'd give, Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason, I would agree with that. I don't lead with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was of like a twentieth day type of conversation.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I feel like that might be one of those

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<v Speaker 8>things that you even hide, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 1>I A, wow, don't hide.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I'm off for transparency. But I actually told your dad, like,

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know if this helps our.

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<v Speaker 5>But I will tell you getting married.

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you that the way that I captured

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<v Speaker 1>set the hook on Misty. Let's see if I was

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<v Speaker 1>with was was with a story about shooting a wild

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<v Speaker 1>hog Jack Amber.

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<v Speaker 5>It's true, it's true, it's true. It wasn't the it was.

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<v Speaker 8>It wasn't the content of the story as much as

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<v Speaker 8>it was Clay's passion, hand gestures, standing up, doing impressions,

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<v Speaker 8>throughout the storytelling experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, I was, I can see some of the gestures.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't have to tell you the story, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a there's a circular. It's gonna wrap back

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<v Speaker 1>around and buy us right in the tail.

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<v Speaker 7>I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a years seventeen years old junior in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Neukomb gave me permission to skip school because I

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<v Speaker 1>had a hog baited. I dug a big hole in

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<v Speaker 1>the ground two feet deep, filled it full of corn.

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<v Speaker 1>It was right on the edge of a of a

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<v Speaker 1>like a floodplain of a creek where the bank dropped

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<v Speaker 1>down to the creek.

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<v Speaker 5>So already we're seeing some hand motions and got.

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<v Speaker 7>Me already, and and.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my hole down below the bank. Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like an eight foot bank, right at the base of

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<v Speaker 1>an eight foot bank. Okay. I cleared the leaves out

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<v Speaker 1>for forty yards back to where I could slip in

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<v Speaker 1>there and then walk on bare dirt and just like

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<v Speaker 1>peek over the edge. Thursday more. I remember it was

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<v Speaker 1>a Thursday.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was.

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<v Speaker 1>February the thirteenth day. And I went down there and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know if there was a hog there or not.

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<v Speaker 1>There were no trail cameras at that time that we

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<v Speaker 1>were using. And I slip up over that bank with

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<v Speaker 1>my high country bow with a wasp jackhammer broadhead, and

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<v Speaker 1>did y'all hear.

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<v Speaker 5>How his accent got a lot more so?

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm just saying, I peek over the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>that thing, and there is three quarters of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>hog I've ever seen in my life sticking out of

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<v Speaker 1>that hole. His head was in the hole. Plan worked flawlessly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm serious. I look over it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>his head is in that hole, and I'm like fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>yards and I just draw back, aim right behind the shoulder. Wop,

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<v Speaker 1>hit that sucker right where I was aiming, right behind

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<v Speaker 1>the shoulder. Air penetrates about three inches. The pig runs off,

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<v Speaker 1>the era falls out on the ground, and never see

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<v Speaker 1>the pig again. But where the story circulates back to

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<v Speaker 1>stone point points. While I was looking for the hog,

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<v Speaker 1>I went ahead and tried to track it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought maybe it got into the cavity. It

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<v Speaker 1>did not. I found a beautiful stone point on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground that I still happen to this day, was of

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<v Speaker 1>a commode, maybe old one. I got red and I got.

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<v Speaker 7>I got a half a key lowo Crystal myth out

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<v Speaker 7>of a commode one time. Wow real yeah on a

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<v Speaker 7>search one.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow wow Wow, that's good.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a pivot.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that was a pivot. I'm just saying, going back

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<v Speaker 5>to Clay's story, we call it.

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<v Speaker 1>We call it Jack Camer. That that pig I named

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<v Speaker 1>him Jack Cameron.

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<v Speaker 8>Imagine you've never heard a hunting story before in your life, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 8>because that's where I was. I didn't grow up in

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<v Speaker 8>a hunting family or around hunters at all. And then

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<v Speaker 8>you meet some guy and he tells you you're he's

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<v Speaker 8>a hunter, and it's like ah, and then he proceeds

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<v Speaker 8>to tell that story because it has leg.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a red flag.

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<v Speaker 8>We should play red flag, Green flag, and what what

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<v Speaker 8>mister should have done?

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<v Speaker 1>But that it kind of a metaphorical sense. The story

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<v Speaker 1>was my corn in the hole.

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<v Speaker 8>For no, no, no, no no no, that's not no.

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<v Speaker 5>We're not gonna make me the hog. That's not the

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<v Speaker 5>way you played this game play man.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw a huge hog this morning, did you really? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>He was two fifty plush way right on the side

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<v Speaker 3>of the road. It was pulling in. I took Christy

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<v Speaker 3>turkey hunting this morning, and she like.

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<v Speaker 1>Intar acred spot that you're telling everybody about?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I told most shepherd, and now everybody knows about.

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<v Speaker 5>I got a call about it at school.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna see if Moe listens to this piper, I

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<v Speaker 1>know we'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it was a big, old like white and

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<v Speaker 3>tan hog.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just right on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Christy was like, was that a hog?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, big and wild hog. Jason, you have you

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<v Speaker 1>have children?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>You married?

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<v Speaker 2>I am? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>How long you been married?

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<v Speaker 9>We got married in ninety six, so that would be

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<v Speaker 9>about the thirty two years of it, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that excellent. How did you meet your wife?

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<v Speaker 9>Actually at a place I probably shouldn't have been and

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<v Speaker 9>she shouldn't have either, But we.

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<v Speaker 3>We started, we hog bait, We hogged.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, red flag, red flag.

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<v Speaker 9>Now we just had a bunch of friends gathered around

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<v Speaker 9>and and we didn't really know each other in school

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<v Speaker 9>or anything like that, and we just met and kind of,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, got the talking and been together ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>So so nights, you've been married a long time?

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<v Speaker 2>I have, yeah, all my life.

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<v Speaker 1>How many kids do you have?

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<v Speaker 2>We have three?

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<v Speaker 9>I have all girls, and my youngest one she's a

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<v Speaker 9>special needs child. She has a rare genetic story called

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<v Speaker 9>Angelman syndrome. So, and then it's Amber and Jaden and

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<v Speaker 9>Jayly's my three girls. That's excellent. No grandchildren, no, no,

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<v Speaker 9>no yet. Yeah this grand cat and grand ble.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you, I hear you. That's great. That's great. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the only other thing on my list. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a there's a guy that listen to the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>named Brad Cordell. He seems like a really nice guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a he has a he's a habitat wildlife

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<v Speaker 1>land business. I'm actually gonna look up the name of

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<v Speaker 1>his business. It's uh, let's see Brad's They.

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<v Speaker 7>Enhanced wildlife Habitat for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he does. He does all kinds of stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gone, Brad, I'm sorry, man, I can't I can't

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<v Speaker 1>find the name of your business. But Brad Cordell from

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas has got a habitat management business. But he messaged

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<v Speaker 1>me yesterday lost forty habitat improvements Brad's business. So Brad

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<v Speaker 1>messages me yesterday and he says, hey, Clay, I had

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<v Speaker 1>a dream I don't want to tell you about Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all in.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it what time? What time did this happen? What

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<v Speaker 2>time of the day?

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<v Speaker 1>Six ten am? Oh, freshly, that's when you got the message?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait, wait, I take that back. It was two pm.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 7>Because if you tell a dream, if you have a

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<v Speaker 7>dream and you tell it before you had breakfast, it'll

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<v Speaker 7>come true.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh wow, I hope you probably ate before too.

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<v Speaker 5>Good luck, But that'd be an inter minute faster sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, He says, He says, hey, Clay, sorry, this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of long. Details are important. During an all

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<v Speaker 1>day turkey hunt two hours from home yesterday, I dozed

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<v Speaker 1>off and had a dream in which your my inner

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<v Speaker 1>outlaw came out.

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<v Speaker 5>WHOA.

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<v Speaker 1>In the dream, we were hunting the same property, but

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<v Speaker 1>not together, and I walked up on you, you and

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<v Speaker 1>some other guy unknown, and you were using a remote

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<v Speaker 1>control owl with a speaker on it, flying it around

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<v Speaker 1>hooting trying to get a turkey to gobble. But since

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<v Speaker 1>y'all was trespassing, since you were trespassing, I made y'all

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<v Speaker 1>leave and called the game warden. And then he ends

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<v Speaker 1>with for the record, you're welcome to come hunt. And

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<v Speaker 1>then then he expounded, when I kind of asked a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about the owl, and he said, uh, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, do you remember that toy from the eighties

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<v Speaker 1>where there was an airplane connected to a handle by

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<v Speaker 1>about a twenty inch wire. Pressed the button on the

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<v Speaker 1>handle that would start to propel her and it would

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<v Speaker 1>fly in a circle around you. He said, that's how

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<v Speaker 1>your owl was designed. But you press the button, the

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<v Speaker 1>wings would flap. He goes on and says, do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember the old movie Clash of the Titans. Now he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't up, and now he's speaking my language. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that movie is iconic in my mind is a childhood

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<v Speaker 1>and from my childhood. Do you remember that one?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Okay? Well, he says, he said there was a

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<v Speaker 1>He said, that's what the owl looked like, in all metal,

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<v Speaker 1>mechanical looking owl that would fly around. And who that

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<v Speaker 1>brings up my newest business idea.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, ain't that copyright?

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<v Speaker 1>Rad I'll cut you in trademark. Trademarket a drone with

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<v Speaker 1>an owl? Hoot, because a lot of a lot listen,

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<v Speaker 1>listen a lot of times. You know, if you're close

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<v Speaker 1>and you're trying to shock goble of turkey, he'll answer you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he might be a mile away and here

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<v Speaker 1>just a distant owl and not do it. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you were seventy five yards from and cranked up, he'd gobble.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can hear that turkey for a long way.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm saying, if we could, if we could get

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<v Speaker 1>a locator call on a drone, I can.

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<v Speaker 6>Already tell that I'm out. Next year, there's going to

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<v Speaker 6>be a couple of states with some new laws.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll put that one in the back pocket.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, thanks for sharing that, Brad, much appreciated.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and we're don't forget one more thing. Be on

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<v Speaker 3>the lookout. Spring twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so am, I think we could. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>can say we're not announcing this officially, but fun pretty close.

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<v Speaker 1>February twenty seven is when my book comes out. Twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually didn't come out a couple weeks before the twenty seventh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, February twenty twenty seven, American Bear. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a big splash when it comes out.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody learned how to read yas I said, I might

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<v Speaker 3>have to learn how to read between now and then.

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<v Speaker 5>We're offering phonics lessons, a couple of lists.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's gonna be it's gonna be really incredible. We

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have some I've told little bits and pieces that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in the book.

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<v Speaker 2>There.

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<v Speaker 1>I just did an interview this this week that was

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<v Speaker 1>like a last minute addition to the book of one

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<v Speaker 1>of the gnarliest bear attack stories that I've ever heard. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not what the book is about. But the

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<v Speaker 1>book is about the biography of the American black bear,

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<v Speaker 1>which will blow your mind. But the but, the but

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<v Speaker 1>the man bear overlap, and how there's more overlap today

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<v Speaker 1>than ever in human history. I Mean, you often think

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<v Speaker 1>about wild animals and humans and like the stories of

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<v Speaker 1>conflict would be old and long ago, and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the world is like a civilized place now. But really

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<v Speaker 1>we've got more bear human overlap than ever before. In

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<v Speaker 1>the American black bear. There are more American black black

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<v Speaker 1>bears twice as many American black bear as all seven

0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:08.920
<v Speaker 1>other bear species combined. So whatever's happening ecologically on planet Earth,

0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:14.720
<v Speaker 1>the black bear is absolutely thriving. And so really America's

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<v Speaker 1>bear story is just beginning, just beginning, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>story that I interviewed these guys.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a black bear attack.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Wow, it was, and it's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>mind blowing. And the guy lived. I talked to the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that got attacked.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, how long ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty fifteen? Okay, yeah, the attack involved but may not

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<v Speaker 1>have been related to the bear. The man getting a

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<v Speaker 1>completely new titanium elbow, that's all I want to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so before or after after? Okay, after after, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this week's episode was very unique. It was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>surprising to me when I heard the story. So, your

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<v Speaker 1>nephew Eric is the one who reached out to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he had messaged me after the fact. So I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that's okay, that's fine with me, all good? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that is my nephew Eric.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, we get a lot of We get

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that give us ideas. We honestly,

0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.119
<v Speaker 1>we use a lot of them. Some of them just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of moved through and it's just not something we

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<v Speaker 1>can do, or maybe it's not a good idea at all,

0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 1>or maybe somebody's got a great idea but no connections,

0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Like somebody might be like Clay, this will make a

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<v Speaker 1>great bear grease and it would, but maybe there's no

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<v Speaker 1>book or person or people to interview. When Eric emailed

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<v Speaker 1>me or he messaged me and he said, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle got shot in nineteen ninety. It's a really

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<v Speaker 1>unique story. And he said, I could, I could get

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<v Speaker 1>you Jason, my dad and the E M T. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he kind of had it lined up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he was speculating a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Now he realized when with something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>did you I mean, is this hard to talk about?

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<v Speaker 3>It is?

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<v Speaker 9>It's just never never been hard for me whatsoever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>I'll be honest with you. Hearing my brother Ricky on

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<v Speaker 9>the podcast, that's the worst I've ever heard him say

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<v Speaker 9>about it ever. He really and my dad was the

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<v Speaker 9>same way. They didn't They just didn't want to talk

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<v Speaker 9>about it. And like Ricky had said, you know a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of it to him, just the kind of a fog.

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<v Speaker 9>It's just I think when they got to me, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>but a good bit of time had already passed before

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<v Speaker 9>they got there. And and like I said, when my

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<v Speaker 9>dad screamed, I'm sure what he saw there he thought

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<v Speaker 9>that you know, it was you know, I wasn't around

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<v Speaker 9>anymore I'm sure because at the time, you know, John

0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 9>Clemens talked about the golden hour, Well, probably that golden

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:19.240
<v Speaker 9>hour had already passed before anybody got to me, being that, no,

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<v Speaker 9>there was no ambulance in the county where I got shot.

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<v Speaker 9>They had to come from the two adjoining counties to

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<v Speaker 9>men the guy that so happened to come by, Richard Williams.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, they had to go get the pay on

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<v Speaker 9>to call them and then they had to meet him.

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<v Speaker 9>Then he brought them to us, and so pretty good bit.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I don't know how much at that how

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<v Speaker 9>much time, but it had to be close to that

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<v Speaker 9>hour before they ever got there. And then it was

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<v Speaker 9>another hour to Saugusta and they John Clements said, there

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<v Speaker 9>was no reason to go.

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<v Speaker 2>We passed up two or three hospital.

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<v Speaker 9>There was one other man that was in the hunting

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<v Speaker 9>club and he couldn't keep up and he said he

0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.440
<v Speaker 9>would stop at every exit it said hospital, and they

0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:01.440
<v Speaker 9>didn't know what he was talking about, and he said,

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<v Speaker 9>what the heck, you know, why would you go by

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<v Speaker 9>this one? But John said, if we can't get him

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 9>to a trauma unit, you know, there's no way, no

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:10.720
<v Speaker 9>other place we can go.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, So it was probably over two hours before you

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 1>made it to the that specific.

0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Conspacey, yes, I would say so. So.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that in and of itself, is is pretty

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:24.359
<v Speaker 1>pretty wild that.

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<v Speaker 9>You yes, very much, you know that, just truly. I mean,

0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 9>it's just hard to really believe. I mean, it's just

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 9>amazing how everything happened. And like John said, everything that

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:41.119
<v Speaker 9>could go wrong did seem to go wrong. But you know,

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 9>it's still kind of worked out for my best I

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 9>think I'm blessed to still be around for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's, uh, it's kind of wild to hear

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.439
<v Speaker 1>a story like this and and all of a sudden

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:58.560
<v Speaker 1>you realize the what life was like before cell phones.

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:03.959
<v Speaker 1>To think of meeting a guy on the road, waving

0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 1>him down and saying, go get help. I mean that's

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:08.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of a thing of the past.

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, really, yes, I.

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Mean I remember when I was a young man before

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 1>cell phones, which I got my first cell phone to

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.439
<v Speaker 1>think of two thousand and one, so, I mean I

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 1>was like twenty one or something. I remember when you

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 1>saw somebody on the side of the road, you stopped

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:28.400
<v Speaker 1>to help, yeah, to ask him at least, I mean,

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:32.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you could I'd say pretty common practice.

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Somebody was pulled over on the road. You roll down

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:39.399
<v Speaker 1>your window, y'all, all right, you need help. I mean anymore,

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>you're like.

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:42.880
<v Speaker 2>They got a cell phone.

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.399
<v Speaker 1>Everybody's got a cell phone. I mean, nobody doesn't have

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>a cell phone. But to think of going out on

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 1>this county road and this guy coming down the road

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 1>and sending him to a payphone to call him, it's

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of wild.

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 2>It is, it is, sure.

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<v Speaker 9>And then yeah, he was sort of familiar with that area,

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 9>so he kind of when he told him where we

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:05.680
<v Speaker 9>kind of word what. He just followed the stream where

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 9>I was at to us. But yeah, it's uh, it really,

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 9>it's just amazing really. And then the same guy who

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.200
<v Speaker 9>came brought them to me. Then that's when he went

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 9>and got my dad and my brother, and he knew

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 9>where our camp was. He was kind of familiar, and

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 9>they were wondering why, you know, it had been a

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 9>while before any you know, had I hadn't came back,

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 9>and they didn't know. And he went and told him,

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 9>you know, to come with him, and that's when he

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 9>brought my dad and my brother over there to me

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:38.439
<v Speaker 9>where I was.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want you guys to ask any questions that

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>you would have just from listening to the episode. I'm

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.679
<v Speaker 1>just going to keep talking about y'all interrupt and just

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 1>ask him a question about it. I got one, Yeah,

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 2>You know what you're talking about?

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 7>Cell phones and stuff in the advent of of apps

0:26:55.840 --> 0:27:00.159
<v Speaker 7>and stuff like that. You know on X could you

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 7>said you saw some turkeys earlier that day? Yes, any

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:11.159
<v Speaker 7>question or just needs to be related to Can we

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 7>talk about the turkeys later after we sure? I would

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 7>like in all seriousness, I listened to it twice, and

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 7>I'm telling you it was a very moving thing. And

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 7>you have you are a testament the faith and perseverance

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 7>for for sure.

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Was there ever a time.

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 7>And I already know the answer to this, Was there

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 7>ever a time in that from the time you realize

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 7>what had happened until you woke up later in that

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 7>story where you had any any doubts or any feelings

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 7>one strong feelings one way or the other? How valid

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:00.640
<v Speaker 7>your faith had been up to that point in your life?

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 7>Am I asking that correctly?

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:06.199
<v Speaker 2>I think so?

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:10.639
<v Speaker 9>I think I no, I mean when they when that

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:15.400
<v Speaker 9>first happened, and uh, you know I had been involved

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:17.919
<v Speaker 9>in church my dad, you know, seen to it that

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 9>we were and I had gotten saved in my belief

0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 9>in church as a younger man. And when I got shot,

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 9>you know, I had actually told Dave, I said, you know,

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 9>please don't leave me. I don't want to die alone.

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:34.120
<v Speaker 9>But I was okay with that at that time. And

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.439
<v Speaker 9>I didn't really have any I mean, I was just

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 9>complete peace with it, and I was okay. Was no

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 9>you know, really concerned as far as that if that's

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 9>kind of what you were.

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 7>It was, and I and I would think that that

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 7>would have a lot to do with you coming through it.

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 7>I obviously, yeah, the hand of the Lord is on you,

0:28:55.720 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 7>but you didn't get it. You wouldn't panic it never Yeah, no,

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 7>it was.

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 9>I mean I was like I even the John Clement

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 9>he had said before it was just he couldn't really

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 9>believed that. I kind of stayed conscious and stayed you

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 9>know pretty much. You know, I would weak by for sure.

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 9>I mean I was just felt like I was total

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 9>just you know, weak. I mean I don't but I

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 9>still was, you know, alert and would at times you

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 9>know there before my dad got there, I think I

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 9>was really really close, you know, to to giving up

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 9>I think, but I just when I I guess when

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 9>he got there. It's more of a thing like, well, yeah,

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 9>I just got a fight, so I don't want to

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 9>I don't him. I could hear the pain in him

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 9>as a child laying there, and I just so I

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 9>just you know, it just and from you know, it's

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 9>just I don't know really how to put that into

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 9>words really, but it's just so strong.

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's just such an In the business that I

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 7>I was in for forever, I've seen folks like that,

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 7>and it's such a it's a rare there's always a

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 7>common thread amongst it, and it's the will to it's

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 7>the love of self or love of family, or love

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 7>of something that gives people the inner strength to hang on.

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 7>And it is it is not that while that story

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 7>was unique, the situation of him coming through that to

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 7>me was something that I've seen several times in my career.

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 7>It and it's always a common thread in there, and

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 7>it's just amazing, man, it is just so moving, very moving.

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, can you is there any more you can tell

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>us about your the experience of seeing your grandmother.

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 9>I mean when that was just before my dad got there,

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 9>you know, I was probably, I would guess. I mean

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 9>until I got to the hospital and they put me

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:00.479
<v Speaker 9>on you know, incubated me and all that. That was

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 9>you know, probably the time that I was getting you know,

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 9>I mean I was you'd lost yeah, and I feel like,

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 9>you know, the way I can explain it was like,

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 9>you know, it's just like my spirit had left my body.

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 9>I feel like my spirit was what you know there

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 9>And like I said, and it's just as vivid really

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 9>to me now as it was thirty five years ago.

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.200
<v Speaker 9>It was just like if you was on the river

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 9>at you know, right at daybreak, how a lot of

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 9>times there will be the fog and the mist lifting

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 9>off the water. It was like a moving water and

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 9>and it was like that. And I was on this

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 9>side of that river, and my grandmother was on the

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 9>other side, and she just had her hand out, you know,

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 9>to accompany me across. It's what I felt like. She

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 9>recently passed away, yes, just a few months before.

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Was she a believer?

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so would she have been in your life like

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of icon of someone that she.

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 9>Lived further away my mi I grew up more around

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 9>on where my dad grew up, so it's twenty thirty

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 9>minutes away. We would go to her house every two

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 9>weeks on Sunday. But she was just a wholesome, really

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 9>really good person. Really, And you know that area where

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 9>we grew up, it's you know, my grandmother. She had

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 9>an outthouse and an out She used to have a

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 9>pail and a dipper to get her water out of

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 9>a creek all my life as a child. The kids

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 9>told us that, you know, she got old and feeble

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 9>and she lived alone, still didn't have any indoor plumbing

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 9>in her home. And they said, we're going to get

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 9>you a well, and she finally gave in, said you

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 9>can get me a well, but you ain't putting it

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 9>in my house. I'll go out there and fill my pail.

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 9>And that's how she wanted to really.

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 2>They put a spickett there to get her water in

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 2>a pill.

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 7>Did you could during that time? Did you hear anything

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 7>before you before you heard your father? I mean, did

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 7>you hear the water running or no?

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 9>The mostly the guys, the paramedics there, they were there

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 9>basically screaming at me, but it was like they were

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 9>across a football field away and I could barely hear

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 9>them it was like they were just going on wild

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 9>they're working on so that's when they come, you know,

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 9>cut my They came in and I had this day

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 9>after Christmas, so it's pretty cool, and I had on

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 9>at the time. You were the real thick line cover

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 9>offs and they start trying to cut cut them off

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 9>of their scissors and h That's when they had asked, said,

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 9>you know, we need a knife or whatever.

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Did anybody have one?

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 9>And nobody answered, And then I told them, well, I

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 9>had that case trapper in my pocket and I always

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 9>keep it pretty sharp. So they get and they coming

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 9>up my leg really really fast, more than I was

0:33:58.480 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 9>comfortable with.

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I told them to slow down just a little bit

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 2>with that sow.

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 9>But but they were screaming at me, you know, to

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 9>trying to keep me there. They were just you know,

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 9>they were screaming. But to me, it was like I

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.280
<v Speaker 9>could barely hear them. It's like they were way way away.

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:15.319
<v Speaker 9>I don't know.

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Was it a.

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>What did you feel when you saw your grandmother the river?

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what was this that was?

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 9>I just felt just a total peace and I didn't

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 9>feel anything really at that time. You know, when I

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 9>first got hit with a bullet. I mean it hit

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 9>hard and it was just like you got hit in

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 9>the back, you know something just it almost knocked me down.

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 9>And I was seventeen years old, and you see, I'm

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 9>a bigger guy, and I played football, so I'm a

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 9>pretty stout guy. And I can remember I had a

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 9>cap on and it hit me so hard, like my

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:52.279
<v Speaker 9>body moved with the hat like dipt'ing. And when when

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:54.279
<v Speaker 9>I finally kind of got stood back up, the cat

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 9>was sitting on my head sideways.

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 2>That's how hard it hit me.

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 9>And then and immediately I thought it hit me in

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 9>my stomach because every I could feel blood just I

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.359
<v Speaker 9>thought pouring out, but it was actually in turn, I.

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Just feel like water, like the blood slow and.

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 9>One I could feel hot warm, the warm inside. Well,

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 9>I thought it was out, but it was inside, not it.

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 9>And I thought that's where I actually put my hands here.

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 9>I thought I got shot there.

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 3>That would have been your spleen problem.

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 2>That was my spleen. Yes, that's where my splendid rupture.

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 2>And every time my.

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.760
<v Speaker 9>Heart beat I could have felled that blood just pouring

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 9>and come to find actually hit me.

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 2>It was up there.

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 9>It hit me to the left of the inchs to

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.440
<v Speaker 9>my spine right here by the middle my back, and

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 9>it came up, went through my left lungless my heart

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 9>by the inch. It came out over here under my arm,

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:42.440
<v Speaker 9>out my rib cage.

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so what what does it? What's it feel like

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>to get shot with a two seventy.

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.320
<v Speaker 9>It just that that impact was really what I felt.

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 9>And then immediately that for the concussion that my spleen reps,

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 9>I started feeling that blood, you know, and which I say,

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 9>I thought it was out, but it was internal. But

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:04.760
<v Speaker 9>it's just a hard Did.

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 3>You immediately feel pain?

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:11.720
<v Speaker 2>No, that's what I didn't feel. No pain, No, No.

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Like the whole time, it just felt like somebody hit

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 1>you with a baseball back back.

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 9>Yes, yeah, and then I started losing blood so fast.

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 9>I got really, really really weak. But really as far

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.840
<v Speaker 9>as saying pain, no, I don't think it. I couldn't

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:27.280
<v Speaker 9>say that. I did feel pain.

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Later on in recovery, yes, well that's kind of strange.

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 9>In recovery, when I finally got off the ventilator, and

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 9>all the doctor told me said when they let me

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 9>go home, he said, Jason said, when you go home,

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 9>when all this starts healing up, and I mean your

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.959
<v Speaker 9>sore and what I've been cut open back like open

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 9>mark surgery.

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:47.799
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 9>He said, you're not going to believe it. So when

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 9>you when all that gets better and you quit hurting

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 9>from that, he said, you're gonna have a pain right

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 9>there in your left shoulder behind down below your shoulder.

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:00.439
<v Speaker 9>And he said it's gonna hurt you for a whole

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 9>lot longer. And I said why, And he said, that

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 9>bullet just broke that real terrible bead where it went

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 9>in to war my lung. And he said that's going

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.479
<v Speaker 9>to hurt you longer than anything else. And sure enough,

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 9>it was just that that did that that where that

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 9>rib was broken, it hurt you know.

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:24.399
<v Speaker 3>After did the bullet fragment? No, well did they find it? No,

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 3>it went through and through and through.

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 1>You know what kind of tip?

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 2>What kind of bullet was I do? It was one

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:31.760
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty grain Remington soft point.

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Wow, So what would that mean? It would a mushroom bread?

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I'm surprised it didn't tear apart.

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 9>If I'm not going to say they might have said

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 9>something about they might have found a little fragment or two,

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 9>like in the side of me. But like I say,

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 9>I was when they operated, you know, of course I

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.479
<v Speaker 9>was out for a while. So but I think later

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 9>one of the doctors there at the Medical College of Georgia,

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 9>he might have mentioned that they did get a piece

0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 9>or two that had kind of fragmented in there somewhere.

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 6>Did it have any impact on you going back into

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:04.839
<v Speaker 6>the woods.

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 9>After Yeah, that's what I want to know, know, And

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.439
<v Speaker 9>I've had that question many times. He'll say, good lord,

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 9>you've lost your mind. But I'll be honest with you.

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 9>I guess in one way that made me appreciate life.

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I always did anyway, but you need to

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 9>appreciate every day. And I always might answer to that

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.799
<v Speaker 9>is if there's something you enjoy doing, you need to

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 9>do it because you may not be here to do

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 9>it tomorrow.

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 2>So my dad.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 9>In fact, you know, he told me, he said, son,

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 9>do you want to hunt anymore? And I said yeah.

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 9>He said, well, I want to find a place, and

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 9>we still thankful to have it.

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Today. He had bought some property. He said I'm done.

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 9>At that time, we paid the least property, you know,

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 9>from somebody else and had other members and Dad said

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:51.960
<v Speaker 9>that I'm done with that. So he said, I all

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:55.399
<v Speaker 9>know who's on hours, and we'll have control of that.

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.760
<v Speaker 9>And he bought fifty eight acres in nineteen ninety one.

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 9>Then later he brought thirty eight more. So when he passed,

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 9>there's like ninety seven acres we have within ten minutes

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 9>of where that happened. It's about two hours from my home,

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.720
<v Speaker 9>and we still cherish it to this day. My daughter,

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:16.280
<v Speaker 9>middle daughter.

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 2>She loves that, you know, she's there with me. Yeah.

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 7>Do you have any dreams, any bad dreams, any thoughts,

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:31.760
<v Speaker 7>anything that will trigger a memory of that day or anything.

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 9>That's a question that they actually had told my dad

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.280
<v Speaker 9>said you need to get him with a counselor or something.

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 9>Said he's going to have a lot of trouble with

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 9>this and this. I have never had the first nightmare,

0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 9>the first Never never had one.

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh, never have thank god. Yeah, that's incredible. Never had

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 1>no trauma from this.

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's when I knew you were coming, and

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I knew we were going to talk about this. I

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 1>had a sense just of how open you were with Josh.

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>But I also thought, I wonder if this is going

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>to be hard to talk about this now.

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.720
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't like I said, my brother and my dad,

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 2>but he's past.

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 9>They it's they do my brother, Ricky, my sister and

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.799
<v Speaker 9>my mom and stuff, and John Clemens to tell. When

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 9>they were carrying me out on the gurney, Ricky was

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:27.279
<v Speaker 9>on the left shoulder and he hand touched that where

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:31.760
<v Speaker 9>it was open, and it burned. It's like you noticed,

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 9>rick it was burned and I yelled it hurt and

0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 9>he asked him to sit me down, and he didn't

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 9>want to go any further. He told John, said, I

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 9>don't want his last memory to be me hurting him

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 9>and that John said he's hurting already. Let's get him

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:52.239
<v Speaker 9>out of here. And so they picked me up went on.

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:56.439
<v Speaker 9>But Ricky he got blood of course on him. And

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 9>my sister said she got to the hospital. My mom

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 9>was at home, so she had to get her brother

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 9>to bring him to Augusta, which is three hours from home,

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 9>and they get there later in the night, and Ricky

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.839
<v Speaker 9>of course had washed up then. But she said they

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 9>were trying to find where to go, and said she

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 9>see through the window saw Ricky sitting in the hospital

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.280
<v Speaker 9>there and said he was just wringing his hands because

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 9>he'd had that blood on him, and it was really

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 9>bothering him, and he, you know, done that for a

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 9>long time when it it just he couldn't get that

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.359
<v Speaker 9>out of his mind, you know. And and me when

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 9>I yelled when it hit, it hurt, and I think that,

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 9>you know, bothered him.

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you know, I think sometimes it probably it

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 1>checks out that traumatic experiences impact those around us, maybe

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:57.439
<v Speaker 1>as much as us. I mean, And I'm thinking about

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 1>a few scenarios where you would thought you would have

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>thought the the person, the person that happened to, but

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>it was actually the ripple of it into someone else,

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, that kind of was traumatic, you know.

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 8>And there's there's some if you look at for example,

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 8>if you look at abuse like child abuse, sometimes in

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 8>a family, there will be one child that's abused in

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 8>the siblings that watch it, and they found stronger impacts

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 8>on the siblings than there have been on the person

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 8>that was like the person for whatever reason. And I

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 8>think part of that is processing it. I think sometimes

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 8>you know, like even just to hearing you tell the story,

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 8>you kind of have to be able to tell the

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.760
<v Speaker 8>story where it's not it doesn't feel like it's happening again.

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 8>And that's that's kind of the measure of what trauma,

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:49.960
<v Speaker 8>the level of trauma that you experience, and it's really

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:54.759
<v Speaker 8>it's for someone who's experiencing peace in that scenario, you know,

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 8>it probably was a different experience for you, not I mean,

0:42:57.880 --> 0:42:59.360
<v Speaker 8>the recovery was probably much.

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 5>Worse for you.

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, a lot harder, you know, just physically to fully recover,

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 8>but that that that point of trauma might in some

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 8>ways have been more in some ways more traumatics.

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 9>I've said, I can't imagine what they felt when they

0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 9>got there, because a lot of time had passed, you know,

0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:19.319
<v Speaker 9>they had you know, by the time Ricky and my

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.960
<v Speaker 9>dad got there, they had my clothes. I'm laying in

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 9>the middle of the woods. You know, I'm sure, you know,

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 9>I just can't imagine what that would yeah, sure be

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:31.520
<v Speaker 9>for them, you know. And then too, and I've said

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 9>it was one of the first things that I was

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 9>when I was on the ventilator, I was trying to

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 9>get them to give me a pen and that, you know,

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 9>Dave Reese, the guy who shot me, and everybody can

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 9>make them mistake of them. It's hard to understand, but

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 9>he I mean, I really believe it's probably harder on

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 9>him mentally, I know it was than it had not physically,

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:57.359
<v Speaker 9>but mentally it really it was hard on him. And

0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 9>that was the first thing I wrote a note, was

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 9>how was it? Yeah, that was the first thing I asked,

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:10.839
<v Speaker 9>you know, so, yeah, yeah, he was struggling really bad.

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:13.839
<v Speaker 1>To go back just a little bit. The first time

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I heard your story and all these episodes, like Josh

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 1>went on this one and you talked to Jason for

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 1>like forty four minutes. He talked to Ricky for fifty

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.840
<v Speaker 1>five minutes, He talked to John Clemens for forty minutes.

0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 1>And so the episode that we built combined all three

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 1>of you was fifty five minutes, so that there was

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.720
<v Speaker 1>longer interviews that you did with Jason. But what stood

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>out to me was you got in a creak.

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and why that came to my mind? I couldn't

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 9>answer that closs.

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:48.959
<v Speaker 3>So that was a conscious thought.

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 9>I was standing on the side of the stream there

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 9>and and when that hit me in I said, when

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.360
<v Speaker 9>I yelled for help, I said, oh God, I've been shot.

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 9>Somebody please help me. I yelled, somebody helped me two

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:05.799
<v Speaker 9>more times. The first time I was able to yell

0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:09.240
<v Speaker 9>pretty good. The next time I'm getting weak pretty quick.

0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 9>And then I knew. I said, I can't go. I

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 9>might just cut. There's no way that I could have went.

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:18.399
<v Speaker 9>And it come to my mind. I said, well, I've

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 9>seen a lot of deer that go to water, and

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 9>I don't know why they go to water, but I said, well,

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 9>I'm just going to sit down here in the streaming.

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:27.719
<v Speaker 9>And the bank was there, and I just kind of

0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 9>laid kind of my arm up on the bank and

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 9>that water is kind of water about I don't know,

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:38.880
<v Speaker 9>six or eight inches. Was the water touching the wound. No, possibly,

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 9>it was just a ball with my legs and all.

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.840
<v Speaker 9>And they said that that being I got so cold,

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:46.879
<v Speaker 9>that that could have slowed everything down.

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 2>That may have helped.

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.960
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean because I got the day after Christmas

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 9>and I'm sitting in water running streams, So yeah, I mean,

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:58.920
<v Speaker 9>but I don't know why I did, but that just

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:01.839
<v Speaker 9>came to my mind, just to sit down in that water.

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:04.879
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't thought about it being so cold. I hadn't

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:06.759
<v Speaker 1>thought about it being like a hypothermic.

0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Those thoughts said it slowed everything down.

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I mean that would have slowed his heart way down.

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 3>That's what I was pumping all his blood out.

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's what I was thinking about, not getting you know,

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 7>so excited and everything, and.

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 1>In that cold water. It's a seventeen year old. Yeah,

0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's easy to see him now as an

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:25.440
<v Speaker 1>adult who's got a lot of life experience, but he

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 1>was seventeen exactly when I heard it, I just thought,

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:32.719
<v Speaker 1>this is this is a woodsman, you know, I mean,

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 1>somebody that has grown up in the woods and just

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of knows the natural world to get shot and

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:41.799
<v Speaker 1>have the wherewithal to be like, I'm going to get

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 1>in the creek because I think it is going to

0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:46.280
<v Speaker 1>help me. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's pretty interesting.

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 9>And then like you know, when he got there to me,

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 9>you know, he he got me up out of the

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 9>water right and laid me just flat on my back.

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:57.359
<v Speaker 9>Then you know, we're that bullet with my lung. I mean,

0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 9>it's coming out blood from my nose. I'm drowned then,

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 9>and he actually took his cover OFLLS off and put

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 9>under my back to sit me up now because it

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:06.799
<v Speaker 9>was up high on my lung where it hit me.

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:09.360
<v Speaker 9>So that gave me a little bit of relief. And

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:11.239
<v Speaker 9>then that's when he left to go get help and

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 9>all that, you know, but yeah, but yeah, yes, I

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:16.360
<v Speaker 9>don't know.

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Bar, did you have any thoughts like what stood

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 1>out to you? If if Jason wasn't sitting here, what

0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 1>would you say about?

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Well, the biggest thing was I think it kind

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 6>of put the fear of God of me a little

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 6>bit about just being out on like public land. And

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 6>because you know, I saw that orange vest that you

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 6>were wearing, and it wasn't like it was like one

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 6>of those little yeah orange. Yeah, it was a very solid,

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 6>better orange than I usually wear.

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you with.

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 9>This was probably right at dark too, and it was

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 9>like really a thick cover to where I was. But still,

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 9>I mean it's hard to have a mont really, but yeah, yeah,

0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 9>but I just thought that that was I know a

0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 9>lot of people do try to kind of limit the

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 9>orange they wear. And I mean even now and like

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 9>you talk about to ask me if I still.

0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Have thoughts or worry or whatever.

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 9>You know, we own that property there where I'm at,

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.799
<v Speaker 9>and sometimes I'll just grab my canflice coat and head

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.359
<v Speaker 9>off to the tree stand. And my daughter, my wife, said,

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 9>get you dang orange vest.

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:29.280
<v Speaker 10>You were like, hey, it doesn't always got me shot

0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:30.160
<v Speaker 10>one time.

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Again, you get to Orge, I'm going to bulletproof of

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.439
<v Speaker 1>I thought you. I thought you were going to say, Hey,

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I've been shot once, I ain't gonna get shot again.

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:42.360
<v Speaker 9>I got some orange foot orange shirts.

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:45.360
<v Speaker 3>Jason, I've got a question for you.

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.440
<v Speaker 3>And in just a little bit of time that I've

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 3>spent with you, you're an incredibly positive person, Like like everything

0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:59.040
<v Speaker 3>that comes out of your mouth that has a positive

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:01.600
<v Speaker 3>spin to it. And and you said, you know, I

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 3>don't have bad days, but some days are better than others.

0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 3>Looking at this thing that is a tragedy, I mean horrible,

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:14.920
<v Speaker 3>we would never want to happen. What can you say,

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 3>because I know that you have something to say, what

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 3>positive came from it?

0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:23.239
<v Speaker 9>But just the appreciation of each and every day, I

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 9>mean it's a you know, it's a blessing. And just

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 9>that to be able to be up and enjoy my

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:34.319
<v Speaker 9>family and see them and you know, and and then

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 9>not to say that when that day comes that I'm

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:40.120
<v Speaker 9>ready to go home. I am, but you know, I

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.880
<v Speaker 9>enjoy the time here and get to me and with

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 9>the It's just every day is truly.

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 2>A blessing to me.

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 9>And I don't know what you'd talk about reading some

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:52.440
<v Speaker 9>of the stuff about the eye out of the body experience,

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.399
<v Speaker 9>it'll see in there, And I haven't read that. Pool

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:57.919
<v Speaker 9>We've done this podcast in thirty five years. I've never

0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:01.799
<v Speaker 9>had no desire to really look. But from when you

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:06.319
<v Speaker 9>read it says that you'll have a profound appreciation for

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:10.319
<v Speaker 9>life after that happens. And I feel like that I

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 9>have that and maybe had it before.

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:18.920
<v Speaker 7>It only accentuate your your feelings.

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:19.280
<v Speaker 2>For it to be true.

0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm, m hmmm.

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:27.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what else to say.

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 7>It's just incredible. It is a europe To COVID's hot

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 7>seat miracle, if you were sitting in that saddle or

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:38.439
<v Speaker 7>standing on top of the roof.

0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Something about the medical aspects of John John Clement's talking

0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 1>about your body only has so much blood. He maybe

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I understand, maybe it was understood by everyone, but there

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 1>was maybe a little bit of detail I had to

0:50:54.560 --> 0:51:01.360
<v Speaker 1>clip out. But John put trousers like like in inflatable trousers.

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Did that make sense?

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 9>And you talked about that. I heard the shooting and

0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:10.239
<v Speaker 9>all not those things. I begged and pleaded please take

0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 9>these off of me. It felt like a truck laying

0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:13.920
<v Speaker 9>on my legs.

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 2>They were tore. It was all I.

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:19.080
<v Speaker 9>Begged him to take. But I didn't over know the name.

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:21.560
<v Speaker 9>I always said mass trousers, and that's what they caught.

0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:26.640
<v Speaker 9>But it's metal or military anti shock or anti shock,

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:31.760
<v Speaker 9>you know, so it's pressurizing, It pushes it, it won't

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:36.000
<v Speaker 9>allow none back in either. Your blood pushed up your extremities.

0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 9>And they said that's they used it like in Vietnam.

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.000
<v Speaker 9>That's why so many of them didn't have no legs,

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:41.719
<v Speaker 9>a lot of them. You leave them on long enough,

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:45.440
<v Speaker 9>you're going to lose them. It's a sacrifice.

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.000
<v Speaker 1>These to keep you here, keep you alive.

0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:50.200
<v Speaker 9>And they John had told me when we talked recently,

0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.840
<v Speaker 9>he said, they don't even have those on ambulets anymore.

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:56.440
<v Speaker 9>I don't know if that tried or wrong, but he's paramedic.

0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 9>He said that they don't. And he said, I don't

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:00.880
<v Speaker 9>agree with that because he said, in that his situation,

0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:04.239
<v Speaker 9>they can really make out that, like say, well, that's

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:06.560
<v Speaker 9>like he had told about putting the thing that each

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 9>kneedling my neck, you know. He said that wasn't really protocol.

0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:11.840
<v Speaker 9>But he's you know, and he said something to me

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:15.239
<v Speaker 9>during this time all this has came about that, you know,

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:17.960
<v Speaker 9>And that's one thing I've kind of had a hard

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:19.000
<v Speaker 9>time to get out of my mind.

0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:19.879
<v Speaker 2>He said.

0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:23.280
<v Speaker 9>One of the men on the amulets told him said, John, stop,

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.239
<v Speaker 9>leave him alone. He's trying to die. Let him go

0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:30.240
<v Speaker 9>in peace. He'd actually asked him to, you know. And

0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:32.840
<v Speaker 9>and that's what John said. He had to have that volume.

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:35.200
<v Speaker 9>That's why he put one on each side of my

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 9>neck to get enough volume to get me going, you

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.520
<v Speaker 9>know wow. And he told me there at that time,

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 9>he said, your heart will beat on water, but it

0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.160
<v Speaker 9>won't carry the oxygen everywhere else.

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.560
<v Speaker 2>That's the problem. Yeah, And so that's what he said.

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:51.520
<v Speaker 9>He gave me all that fluid, and he said that,

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:54.800
<v Speaker 9>you know, I make jokes of a lot of stuff.

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 9>It really ain't funny, probably, but he said that, you know,

0:52:58.200 --> 0:52:59.719
<v Speaker 9>a lot of times you get that much fluids may

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:01.759
<v Speaker 9>may have brain damage. And I said, well, the jury

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 9>is still out on that.

0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:09.480
<v Speaker 1>We'll have to ask your wife. Well, hearing him talk

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:15.800
<v Speaker 1>about that and thinking about a bullet hole and we've

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 1>seen deer and animals shot with bullets, so we know

0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:23.440
<v Speaker 1>we're a unique batch of people hunters. To think about

0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:27.319
<v Speaker 1>a hunting cartridge being shot and then to think of

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 1>it going through a human, I mean it's kind of

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:34.319
<v Speaker 1>we kind of were in a weird situation because it's

0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:38.880
<v Speaker 1>so even knowing where it went on your body, I

0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:41.200
<v Speaker 1>mean like through the top of the lung, almost hit

0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the heart, right by your spine, it makes you well,

0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:51.879
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna aside from that, makes you realize how

0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:57.799
<v Speaker 1>ephemeral life is. I mean, like basically where this we're

0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:01.840
<v Speaker 1>like a pump station or natural body is. And I

0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:04.800
<v Speaker 1>mean if there's a leak in the system, it doesn't

0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:06.960
<v Speaker 1>work for very long. I mean it's like a motor

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:09.520
<v Speaker 1>like if there's a hole in your motor.

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Grain all the hole out of it, you got a problem.

0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:14.399
<v Speaker 1>And there's no pressure. But I mean you just think

0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:19.080
<v Speaker 1>about how actually easy it would be to cut yourself,

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, get cut or hurt, I don't know. John said,

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you know every day you wake up and you're alive.

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.399
<v Speaker 1>You should be thankful that when you're young. Is hard.

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:29.520
<v Speaker 1>The older I get, the more I think about that,

0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, yeah.

0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was interesting how John was like, you

0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:37.759
<v Speaker 3>have calls where everything goes perfectly and people still die. Yeah,

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.879
<v Speaker 3>and you get this. He said he'd seen a lot

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:42.960
<v Speaker 3>of gunshot victims.

0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 1>He said he'd seen thirty. I had to cut that out.

0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:49.359
<v Speaker 3>And his was the worst, and I mean other than

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 3>a mortal gunshot wound. And he said he lived. You know,

0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:55.360
<v Speaker 3>pretty fascinating.

0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow, wow wow.

0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:00.440
<v Speaker 8>I want to what Bear was talking about when you

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 8>said it put the fear of God in you? When

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:05.600
<v Speaker 8>I was listening, was it your brother that said you

0:55:05.640 --> 0:55:08.240
<v Speaker 8>don't know? He said, I don't know what the the

0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 8>man that shot you was thinking, you don't eat.

0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:13.520
<v Speaker 2>He just can't comprehend. He's understand.

0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:14.839
<v Speaker 5>So that's what I think.

0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 8>I I do understand if I talk about that brought

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 8>I brought some textbooks, but all not textbooks.

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:25.440
<v Speaker 4>Actually really easy to give the doctor the floor.

0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:29.399
<v Speaker 8>So your brain, like we think about the way when

0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:31.960
<v Speaker 8>we see things that we're looking at like a mirror,

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:34.200
<v Speaker 8>but really your brain functions not like a mirror or

0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.920
<v Speaker 8>like a camera, but like a filtering device. That's kind

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:39.839
<v Speaker 8>of how the So like, we're all in this room

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:42.239
<v Speaker 8>right now, and I can't see everything in this room,

0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:45.479
<v Speaker 8>even though if I looked around, I would be able

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:46.279
<v Speaker 8>to see it.

0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:48.879
<v Speaker 8>And have y'all ever seen that video where they put

0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 8>all the kids in they're in like white all white outfits. Yeah,

0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:54.440
<v Speaker 8>and they're throwing the ball back and forth and they

0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.279
<v Speaker 8>say how many times did they throw the ball back

0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:59.080
<v Speaker 8>and forth? And you're locked in watching how many times

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:00.400
<v Speaker 8>they threw the ball back and forth? At the end,

0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:02.879
<v Speaker 8>you know they did that eight times? And they said, great,

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:04.800
<v Speaker 8>did you see the monkey walk through.

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:05.359
<v Speaker 5>The middle of them?

0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:10.080
<v Speaker 8>And a fully dressed six foot four gorilla walks through

0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:12.080
<v Speaker 8>the middle while they're passing that ball to each other

0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 8>and no one sees it. Yeah, unless you've seen the

0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:18.600
<v Speaker 8>video before, because once you've seen it, you never unsee it. So,

0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:21.120
<v Speaker 8>but if you've never seen it before, your mind was

0:56:21.200 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 8>focused on that. And what So the brain is trying

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:28.040
<v Speaker 8>to like it's trying to filter things out, but it's

0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 8>using it's using what it thinks. It's a prediction machine, basically,

0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:34.680
<v Speaker 8>and it's using what it thinks it will see to

0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:40.239
<v Speaker 8>inform what's actually there. And so, and it's using two things.

0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 8>Number One, we're.

0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Going to bring this back to black panthers.

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:45.400
<v Speaker 5>Go ahead, Okay, Okay, you can't easily.

0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:48.759
<v Speaker 8>Number One, it uses what you see, like what the

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:53.280
<v Speaker 8>eyes are actually seeing. And number two, what based upon

0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:58.560
<v Speaker 8>your biological responses in that moment, what you have seen

0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:02.160
<v Speaker 8>in the past. Okay, so when your heart's beating a

0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:05.360
<v Speaker 8>certain way, when you're you know, if you if it

0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:08.279
<v Speaker 8>smells like hunting, if it feels like hunting, if it

0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:10.000
<v Speaker 8>feels like that's a deer, and your heart starts to

0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.760
<v Speaker 8>race a little bit. So if he's in those stands

0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:16.120
<v Speaker 8>and he hears wrestling and he you know, I mean

0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:17.200
<v Speaker 8>as a hunter, I'm sure.

0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:20.320
<v Speaker 1>All the same things, and that if it had actually

0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.200
<v Speaker 1>been there.

0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:26.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So that's a biological thing happening, and.

0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:28.840
<v Speaker 4>It's telling your brain in you for action it is.

0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:31.880
<v Speaker 8>And it's telling your brain this is what it's this

0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:34.000
<v Speaker 8>is what's fixing to happen. And since your brain's job

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.560
<v Speaker 8>is not to see everything, it's literally to block everything

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:39.680
<v Speaker 8>out except for what it thinks it's supposed to see.

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense, Well, it definitely makes sense.

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 9>And that adds too. After it was over, he had

0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:48.520
<v Speaker 9>said David said that he had saw a buck chasing

0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:52.320
<v Speaker 9>a dough earlier and he was anticipating seeing it and

0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 9>I at the time had a little illuminum climbing stand

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 9>of that era. Yeah, and he heard that clang and

0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:00.600
<v Speaker 9>he thought those two bucks were down fighting.

0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, his brain was messing.

0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 2>With him down and when I came down, he heard that.

0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:09.240
<v Speaker 5>So his brain everything all the.

0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:13.280
<v Speaker 9>Times there, So that makes sense totally.

0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:14.560
<v Speaker 2>That goes right with it.

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:17.080
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and I brought pictures that you could look at

0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 8>to make your brain do these tricks where you look

0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 8>at the pictures and you don't know what you're seeing,

0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:22.680
<v Speaker 8>and then you say one word and all of a sudden,

0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:25.560
<v Speaker 8>your brain starts to think, oh, I know what that is,

0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:28.360
<v Speaker 8>and you see you see something else in the pictures

0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:35.040
<v Speaker 8>and you can never unsee it once you It's just

0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:37.760
<v Speaker 8>it's it's kind of a wild thing. So sometimes people

0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:40.480
<v Speaker 8>will say things happened and you're like, I was right there,

0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:41.280
<v Speaker 8>that did not happen.

0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well what if I said a thousand thousand times,

0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.200
<v Speaker 3>want two different stories talking to two people, that's all

0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:47.720
<v Speaker 3>the same thing.

0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Witness to the Brent says yeah, And he also says,

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<v Speaker 1>let the calf suck when wants you to drive faster.

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<v Speaker 5>But they're not lying.

0:58:56.840 --> 0:59:00.840
<v Speaker 8>They are they are the brain, you know, and it's

0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:03.280
<v Speaker 8>not really tricking them, but it is. So you get

0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:05.880
<v Speaker 8>into a stand and the smart thing to do is say,

0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 8>actually tell yourself the counterfactual. If you're out with people

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<v Speaker 8>and say I see orange, you know, make yourself like

0:59:13.600 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 8>you can change the way you think.

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<v Speaker 3>That deer wearing an orange vest.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and look, and your brain will say. If you

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<v Speaker 8>say I see orange and orange is out there, your

0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:22.400
<v Speaker 8>brain's going to start looking for orange.

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<v Speaker 5>Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>I was thinking about that too, like you should take that, well,

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<v Speaker 6>how that could happen? And I could. I feel like

0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:33.120
<v Speaker 6>I could see how that could happen. Like if your

0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 6>mind is like like whenever you're out there, you're like

0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:40.360
<v Speaker 6>wanting to see a deer, so like sometimes like I

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<v Speaker 6>remember one time a hog walked in front of me

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<v Speaker 6>and I thought, you know, whenever I first thought, I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, oh, it's a deer. And it took me

0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:49.240
<v Speaker 6>you know, a while watching it before I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>well that's just a hog. But it's like my mind wanted.

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<v Speaker 7>If you look and you saw a stump with limbs

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<v Speaker 7>behind and you go oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so his brain told him he did see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Dearpating so much, that's.

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<v Speaker 8>What you want and your brain is filtering out anything

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<v Speaker 8>that's not that. So it literally his brain could have

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<v Speaker 8>filtered out the orange. And you don't believe that could

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<v Speaker 8>happen until you didn't see that monkey, you know, that

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<v Speaker 8>gorilla walking through those people, you know, and when you realize,

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<v Speaker 8>oh my goodness, whatever I'm thinking about is what I see.

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<v Speaker 8>So your past experience is really shaping your future experience.

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<v Speaker 5>In ways that we don't fully understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. It is scary. Just the gun safety aspect,

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<v Speaker 1>which we really didn't focus on in the episode. It

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a given. And oh man, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a nut with with gun safety and that doesn't exclude

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<v Speaker 1>me from being when I say that, I don't take

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<v Speaker 1>pride in that because I realize anybody can make a mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>but just every time I hold a gun, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very conscious and I want people around me to be conscious.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a guy in Oklahoma. He was the man. Terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>terrible thing happened two weeks ago Oklahoma a. He was

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of a Baptist children's He got killed by tss

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<v Speaker 1>load out of a turkey gun. Oh my goodness killed him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so we it's turkey season right now. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking a lot about turkey stories, and back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day it would have been very rare for someone

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<v Speaker 1>to get killed by a turkey load. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>know lots of people that have been shot with turkey loads,

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<v Speaker 1>and usually it's a long ways off and they get peppered.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean really, I know several people that have been

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<v Speaker 1>shot and it's usually not that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>But with the new TSS.

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<v Speaker 7>Loads, depends on which end of that's your that's right,

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<v Speaker 7>depends on which end of that's your own, how big

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<v Speaker 7>a deal it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Not usually immortal life, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But any more any any more fatal wound, mortal wound,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good word to.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I've never I've never heard that immortal wound.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think there is an immortal.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what name.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know islander.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I've I've turkey loads. I've been on a

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<v Speaker 1>little kick here recently. Yes, I actually, yesterday Josh and

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<v Speaker 1>I went turkey hunting. I almost brought a full hunter's

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<v Speaker 1>orange vest with me yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I had this after listening to this, I

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<v Speaker 3>had the same thought.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, ninety nine percent of your turkey hunting, you are, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere near a turn.

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<v Speaker 3>And that first light I should have I should have

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<v Speaker 3>done it, that first light. Turkey vest orange orange, it's on.

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<v Speaker 1>The it's on your back. Yeah, it's on your back.

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<v Speaker 3>I I was getting shot at from the front. I

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<v Speaker 3>could dodge.

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<v Speaker 1>It and show them the orange.

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<v Speaker 2>That's another movie matrix.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I just you know, it's it's statistically getting shot

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<v Speaker 1>in a honey accident. Statistically, it is not something to

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<v Speaker 1>really be that concerned about, you know, but it but

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<v Speaker 1>because it's it just doesn't happen that often. But boy,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't you don't want to be the one that

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<v Speaker 1>pulls the trigger. I was turning out with another friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine this year, just a few days ago. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a different a different different friends, different Kaylen Villions,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend Kaylyn Valians. And uh, my gun was unloaded,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean we were in the heat of battle

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, but we weren't really set up on

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<v Speaker 1>the turkey. And uh, and the way I figured it

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<v Speaker 1>is that I didn't need my gunloaded because I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really the main shooter. And he said, why isn't your gunloaded?

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<v Speaker 1>And I basically said, if somebody gets shot, I would

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be the one doing the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I basically there were three of us hunting together,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a lot, and I just was carrying around

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<v Speaker 1>unloaded gun and it was very happy to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And and well I was being I said, I would

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<v Speaker 1>rather you shoot me than me shoot you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was the.

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<v Speaker 1>Hook of that story.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>It took a long.

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<v Speaker 7>Time, I thought you was going to say.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I found file.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I found five dollar.

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<v Speaker 3>I was out in the woods this morning with Christy

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<v Speaker 3>and it's one of this I think it might be

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<v Speaker 3>the first time she's ever hunted. And we were out

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<v Speaker 3>there at five point fifteen, so it was you know,

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<v Speaker 3>black dark and uh, she's she's kind of trailing behind

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<v Speaker 3>me a little bit. I'm like okay, and she goes.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, so I'm a little out of my comfort zone.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, well, in what way are you nervous? She

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<v Speaker 3>goes a little bit, and I said, well, what are

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<v Speaker 3>you nervous of? Because I listened to Jason Dinan Blood Trails?

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<v Speaker 1>What other do we have any other questions for I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just getting started. I don't want to hog the mind,

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<v Speaker 1>as you.

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<v Speaker 7>Like Civic groups or anything to tell your story.

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<v Speaker 9>I've had a lot of people, you know, need to

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<v Speaker 9>give your testimony in church or whatever. Well, I can

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<v Speaker 9>kind of talk like this with a few people. If

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<v Speaker 9>I get in front of a group or whatever, you see,

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<v Speaker 9>I can get emotional and I go.

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<v Speaker 2>All I can do is cry.

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<v Speaker 9>Really, and so for thirty five years, I thought, man,

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<v Speaker 9>I wish I could if somebody could get a blessing

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<v Speaker 9>or be touched by it. I wished I could, but

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<v Speaker 9>I always would say I just can't. So when Eric

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<v Speaker 9>had mentioned this, I said, well, this may be my

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<v Speaker 9>chance that I guess somebody may be blessed, you know.

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<v Speaker 9>And I've had my friends have called me. And I

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<v Speaker 9>had one guy's telling Josh that called me that was

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<v Speaker 9>the year ahead of being skill. He said, y'all knew

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<v Speaker 9>you got shot, but I had no idea. I mean

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<v Speaker 9>he's called me. He's an absolutely squalling crime. Actually it's

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<v Speaker 9>the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, And I've had multiple they several people have called

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<v Speaker 9>me that's really, you know, been really shook up. So

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<v Speaker 9>and that I said, hey, you know that was well

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<v Speaker 9>worth whatever that you know, I'm proud of that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that really made me happy. That somebody.

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<v Speaker 7>You will You'll never know the impact that you had

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<v Speaker 7>on a bunch of people.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, I'm an my wife, thank you for putting it

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<v Speaker 9>out there, and you know, and you've done a great

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<v Speaker 9>job and I think it definitely does make an impact

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<v Speaker 9>on some people.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's all you could ask for.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh yeah, the poor man sitting by me in the airplane.

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<v Speaker 8>Whenever I was listening to it, I was just like,

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<v Speaker 8>oh yeah, it was. It was kind of embarrassing. It

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<v Speaker 8>was one of those small airplanes, so you're kind of

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<v Speaker 8>close to the guy. And I was like, well, I

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<v Speaker 8>don't really know what to do. But our daughter texted

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<v Speaker 8>us and said, part it was hearing his brother talk

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<v Speaker 8>about it.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean that that was the part.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 5>It was that part.

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<v Speaker 8>And uh, our our daughter told us that she texted

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<v Speaker 8>in the morning and she had, I guess the podcast

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<v Speaker 8>had just come out, and you know, I was kind

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<v Speaker 8>of at a loss of what day of the week

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<v Speaker 8>it was, you know, not tracking all that, and she

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<v Speaker 8>she texted him was like very usual, and she texted

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<v Speaker 8>and she said, wow, Dad, that podcast and she said

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<v Speaker 8>that they stayed in the car and teared up, and

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<v Speaker 8>so I was like, oh, yeah, I definitely want to

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<v Speaker 8>hear that. And I just thought on the airplane, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>I kind of knew what it was about, so I

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<v Speaker 8>wasn't going to tear up. And then yeah, when your

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<v Speaker 8>brother was talking, it was and you're that was that

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<v Speaker 8>was touching.

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<v Speaker 5>Very the whole the whole story was very touching.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to I want to hear from all

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<v Speaker 1>of y'all about the part that like got you the most.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll start I'll be number two.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've already done it, and I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Accentuate this a little bit more. But when I talked

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<v Speaker 1>about your dad and the impact, the three points of

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<v Speaker 1>impact when he screamed and you kind of came back

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<v Speaker 1>when he prayed for the ambulance to start back up

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<v Speaker 1>and it did. Yeah, And then hearing Ricky talk about

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<v Speaker 1>him praying in the hospital, you could just think that

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<v Speaker 1>that was the first time the man had ever prayed,

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<v Speaker 1>and I I know it wasn't though. I mean, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think about this inside of my fatherhood. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>you want to build your life in such a way

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<v Speaker 1>that when you're called upon that you're you're ready. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think a father has a inncessory power that and

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<v Speaker 1>I called it patriarchal strength. It's a word that that

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<v Speaker 1>that that we would use the strength of a father.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know your mother was praying too, but you

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<v Speaker 1>guys were talking about your dad. I mean, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>a unique there's a unique power inside of a mother

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<v Speaker 1>just the same. But I was like, this wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>first time that this man had prayed for his boys.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had another thought. I bet it wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>first time he'd prayed for a car, was it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know if your dad I've prayed for a

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<v Speaker 1>car before. I mean, I just I'm kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>We prayed for my truck on the way home yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I just uh. I mean, you guys talked so

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<v Speaker 1>you could. You could hear it in your voice. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys really loved your dad and had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>respect for him.

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<v Speaker 2>He loved us. Yeah, Dad he was.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean I've all told people, you know, my dad,

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<v Speaker 9>if he would had a pointment with the president and

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<v Speaker 9>one of us calls the dad, we need you, he

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<v Speaker 9>had to tell the President you just want to wait

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<v Speaker 9>on me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's he He.

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<v Speaker 9>Put his family above everything, you know. He he was

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<v Speaker 9>a special fellow. If he was my dad, I think,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, and you know he you know, his my grandfather,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, he was an alcoholic. So my dad tried

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<v Speaker 9>very much to break that, you know. And they came

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<v Speaker 9>from nothing, and he just put poured everything he had

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<v Speaker 9>into his family. That was his main objective, you know.

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<v Speaker 9>And I always I'll tell a lot of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>I hope what I do try to do something that

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<v Speaker 9>would make him proud, you know. Even still he's been

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<v Speaker 9>gone for fifteen years, and I still hope that he'll

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<v Speaker 9>be pleased with what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, his his his legacy came through in this.

1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:50.080
<v Speaker 1>For me, hearing this story the way that I did,

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<v Speaker 1>it really.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't he saw it in Jason Ricky And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I talked to Eric quite a bit, and I mean

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<v Speaker 3>they just they talk about their grandfather or with with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of respect and and I feel like that

1:11:04.479 --> 1:11:06.519
<v Speaker 3>has impacted who they are, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Their kids would say the same thing about them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what what point, Brent would if if you cried?

1:11:15.760 --> 1:11:17.000
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to tell us if you did.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not ashamed of it.

1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I did several times. What what what stood out that

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<v Speaker 1>when you're your your dad.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's gonna be hard for me not to do

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<v Speaker 2>it right now. So mm hmm, you never.

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<v Speaker 7>I told somebody just the other day that you never

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<v Speaker 7>know how much your daddy loves you until you hold

1:11:40.640 --> 1:11:44.360
<v Speaker 7>one of your kids. And that's when I figured it out.

1:11:44.560 --> 1:11:49.559
<v Speaker 7>And I thought about what you when you heard your daddy,

1:11:49.920 --> 1:11:52.920
<v Speaker 7>and I could feel I could feel what your daddy

1:11:53.040 --> 1:12:00.479
<v Speaker 7>was feeling somewhat in just the description, and I thought, boy,

1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:03.559
<v Speaker 7>he may have knew how much his daddy loved him

1:12:03.560 --> 1:12:07.439
<v Speaker 7>before he had kids. And that was something that got me.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's an incredible story and uplifting story, even though

1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:16.519
<v Speaker 7>I'm trying not to cry. It's there's there's so much

1:12:16.840 --> 1:12:20.080
<v Speaker 7>trauma in it, but there's so much goodness that come

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<v Speaker 7>out of it. And you are not only blessed, my friend,

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<v Speaker 7>but you are a blessing to a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I got.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a good thing to have.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:41.439
<v Speaker 1>I think about you saying that all those years you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you didn't think you could speak publicly, and then

1:12:47.720 --> 1:12:52.720
<v Speaker 1>I think this is this is that yeah you know?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, you have, you have and it has

1:12:56.360 --> 1:13:01.760
<v Speaker 1>impacted a lot of people. I've got messages, countless messages

1:13:01.880 --> 1:13:07.120
<v Speaker 1>in the last thirty eight hours, ye of Peter saying wow, ye,

1:13:07.520 --> 1:13:11.880
<v Speaker 1>this story was so impacting, so thank you for real.

1:13:12.640 --> 1:13:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about this today when someone comes. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. The real heroes of of what we do

1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:26.800
<v Speaker 1>here are the people that we interview. Yes, I mean really,

1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:32.160
<v Speaker 1>anytime I have somebody that's been on of one of

1:13:32.200 --> 1:13:35.720
<v Speaker 1>our episodes, I feel like I'm in the presence of

1:13:35.760 --> 1:13:38.439
<v Speaker 1>a celebrity. I really do. Like when you were coming,

1:13:38.479 --> 1:13:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, Jason Dean's coming here, you know,

1:13:41.400 --> 1:13:44.960
<v Speaker 1>because these stories carry power and they they're real life.

1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:48.000
<v Speaker 1>They're not they're not fabricated. There. It's not a movie,

1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:50.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not a book. It's not a fictitious story there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's real. And you did all this stuff with no

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<v Speaker 1>intention for any kind of anybody patting you on the

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<v Speaker 1>back or anything.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just it's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Life is just what happened, you know. And then and

1:14:04.160 --> 1:14:08.280
<v Speaker 1>then you know, the story is accentuated because of the

1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:10.639
<v Speaker 1>people that were around you, your dad and your brother,

1:14:10.760 --> 1:14:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and then you know John Clemen's side of it, and

1:14:14.640 --> 1:14:17.519
<v Speaker 1>many people I'm sure that we didn't even hear about,

1:14:18.000 --> 1:14:20.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, family and what happened. But but

1:14:21.000 --> 1:14:25.760
<v Speaker 1>it just a just a powerful story, Josh, what stood out?

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<v Speaker 3>What's I think? I think one of the spots that

1:14:28.720 --> 1:14:33.000
<v Speaker 3>that got me was I posted it on Instagram, that

1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:37.200
<v Speaker 3>clip where Jason's laying there and and Dave says, I

1:14:37.240 --> 1:14:41.320
<v Speaker 3>gotta go get help and Jason says, no, don't leave

1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:45.160
<v Speaker 3>because I don't want to die alone. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that hit me about that was the fact

1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:54.800
<v Speaker 3>that I think it was the fact that Jason it

1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:58.400
<v Speaker 3>shows the character of Jason to be like, Hey, I

1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:00.720
<v Speaker 3>don't want to be alone. I have I'm happy to

1:15:00.720 --> 1:15:02.920
<v Speaker 3>spend my last moments with the guy that killed me,

1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:08.960
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. That's like, I think that

1:15:09.120 --> 1:15:12.080
<v Speaker 3>shows the redemptive nature of this whole thing, you know

1:15:12.080 --> 1:15:15.880
<v Speaker 3>what I mean? When when Jason is like, there's nothing,

1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not bitter and what what did you you told

1:15:19.880 --> 1:15:22.720
<v Speaker 3>your dad? Like you told your dad either way I win.

1:15:23.200 --> 1:15:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm a winner either way.

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<v Speaker 9>I told Wow, at seventeen, you said they you know

1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:32.559
<v Speaker 9>I could hear, you know, I was under eighteen. So Dad,

1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:34.760
<v Speaker 9>when they're coming to me. Then they got me out

1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:37.280
<v Speaker 9>of the amulets, immediately took me into the operating room

1:15:37.320 --> 1:15:40.000
<v Speaker 9>in that trauma unit and I'm there and the nurses

1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:43.280
<v Speaker 9>are you know, they're shaving my chest to prepare me

1:15:43.439 --> 1:15:46.680
<v Speaker 9>for surgery. And the doctor name was doctor Brackett, and

1:15:46.720 --> 1:15:49.720
<v Speaker 9>I could hear him talking to my dad and he

1:15:50.320 --> 1:15:53.440
<v Speaker 9>told him said, you know this is under this situation,

1:15:54.280 --> 1:15:57.519
<v Speaker 9>I want you to see your son before we sedate him,

1:15:57.560 --> 1:16:01.240
<v Speaker 9>because I'm not going to sugarcoat or every I don't

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<v Speaker 9>fee exactly how he said it, but he said he's

1:16:03.600 --> 1:16:06.360
<v Speaker 9>it's bad. And he said, I need you to say

1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:08.720
<v Speaker 9>And Dad was signing a consent paper for them to

1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:12.640
<v Speaker 9>do that because I'm a minor. He said, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>would you, you know, allow us to try to help him.

1:16:16.320 --> 1:16:18.599
<v Speaker 9>I you know, I'd love I'll try and do all

1:16:18.640 --> 1:16:21.720
<v Speaker 9>I can. And I can hear them and they're come

1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:23.960
<v Speaker 9>up and on my right shoulder, and I got Dad

1:16:23.960 --> 1:16:26.360
<v Speaker 9>and he come up to me and he told him,

1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:29.559
<v Speaker 9>said do any whatever you can do, do anything you

1:16:29.560 --> 1:16:32.200
<v Speaker 9>can do, and I wrench you up and got Dad's hated.

1:16:32.400 --> 1:16:34.240
<v Speaker 9>I say, at that time, I felt like I couldn't

1:16:34.280 --> 1:16:37.320
<v Speaker 9>have mashed a little ink together, you know, But I

1:16:37.360 --> 1:16:39.960
<v Speaker 9>got him and I just put every ounce I had

1:16:40.080 --> 1:16:42.840
<v Speaker 9>because I'm wanting my dad not to be worried, you know,

1:16:44.120 --> 1:16:47.639
<v Speaker 9>And I just squeezed his hand with all the them

1:16:47.720 --> 1:16:50.880
<v Speaker 9>strength I had in me, and I said, see there,

1:16:50.920 --> 1:16:53.519
<v Speaker 9>I got plenty left. Don't you worry about me. I'll

1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:56.320
<v Speaker 9>be a winter either way. And he just fell down

1:16:56.479 --> 1:16:58.599
<v Speaker 9>right there. They had to help him. He got plumb

1:16:58.680 --> 1:17:02.479
<v Speaker 9>on his knees, you know. And uh so then you know,

1:17:02.520 --> 1:17:06.519
<v Speaker 9>they took him out of there, and here I am.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, we could have made a whole episode

1:17:14.040 --> 1:17:20.880
<v Speaker 1>about how you guys handled Dave. Yeah, I mean, and

1:17:21.280 --> 1:17:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I hope it came through. It's like, and it did

1:17:24.080 --> 1:17:28.320
<v Speaker 1>come through, but just I mean, there's a lot of

1:17:28.360 --> 1:17:32.240
<v Speaker 1>other versions of the story that wouldn't necessarily have been wrong.

1:17:32.439 --> 1:17:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not like it wouldn't have been wrong

1:17:35.240 --> 1:17:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to have been really upset with the guy, and I

1:17:38.240 --> 1:17:43.000
<v Speaker 1>know you probably were. But the way that y'all your

1:17:43.080 --> 1:17:46.360
<v Speaker 1>dad handled him, the way that you handled him, just

1:17:46.720 --> 1:17:53.120
<v Speaker 1>exemplified forgiveness and and just in a really unique way.

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<v Speaker 9>I thought, Yeah, my dad, he'd said that at first

1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:01.599
<v Speaker 9>he kind of did have some which, I mean, you.

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<v Speaker 2>See, your child already been mad.

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<v Speaker 9>He was said he was angry, but he said he

1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:07.759
<v Speaker 9>started trying praying for me to get to be okay.

1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:11.200
<v Speaker 9>He say, like, he said, nhuh, you gotta have to forgive.

1:18:11.280 --> 1:18:14.280
<v Speaker 9>You gotta forgive with that bitterness that you know. And

1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:17.800
<v Speaker 9>Beatty said, he just let it go right immediately because he's.

1:18:17.520 --> 1:18:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Like right there, he just said that you were on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, he said, he said it. This was like, you know,

1:18:22.680 --> 1:18:26.479
<v Speaker 9>you can't pray for that and with the feeling you're having,

1:18:27.120 --> 1:18:29.320
<v Speaker 9>and so he said that was his.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's helped me remember the scripture that. I mean,

1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:36.080
<v Speaker 1>that's a biblical truth, like if you have unforgiveness in your.

1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Heart, I won't hear you.

1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:39.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hear your prayer, he said.

1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:43.320
<v Speaker 2>He just came over him, he said, ain't gonna work

1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:44.439
<v Speaker 2>like that. Wow.

1:18:44.840 --> 1:18:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 8>Well yeah, And I thought the story's really redemptive about

1:18:51.280 --> 1:18:53.840
<v Speaker 8>him as well. Just I don't I don't know that,

1:18:53.960 --> 1:18:55.760
<v Speaker 8>you know, I heard what was on the podcast, but

1:18:56.240 --> 1:18:59.360
<v Speaker 8>to me, it just seemed like even just experiencing that

1:18:59.479 --> 1:19:02.040
<v Speaker 8>kind of giveness, like him saying that he wanted y'all

1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:02.439
<v Speaker 8>to treat him.

1:19:02.439 --> 1:19:04.479
<v Speaker 5>It'd have been a lot easier if you had been

1:19:04.520 --> 1:19:05.160
<v Speaker 5>treated poorly.

1:19:05.600 --> 1:19:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Dave. He was a super good yuy.

1:19:07.960 --> 1:19:09.519
<v Speaker 9>I mean, he really was a lot of fun to

1:19:09.560 --> 1:19:13.000
<v Speaker 9>be with, and he was really just I say, everybody,

1:19:13.120 --> 1:19:16.680
<v Speaker 9>you know, some mistakes don't have that kind of consequence,

1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:18.880
<v Speaker 9>but we all we all make them.

1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:22.400
<v Speaker 7>So I didn't realize it until just now that I

1:19:22.439 --> 1:19:23.920
<v Speaker 7>didn't finish that podcast and.

1:19:25.680 --> 1:19:26.880
<v Speaker 2>That I was mad at Dave.

1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:31.880
<v Speaker 7>I wasn't, and I just I guess I just now

1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:34.000
<v Speaker 7>realized that we're sitting there talking about it. I didn't

1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:36.679
<v Speaker 7>have a bad taste in my mouth about Dave.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I always said, like Dad, they asked me when

1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:42.479
<v Speaker 9>I came to he kind of asked me, and I said, look,

1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:45.240
<v Speaker 9>had he not helped me and been man enough to

1:19:46.520 --> 1:19:48.240
<v Speaker 9>own up to it, he could have walked away and

1:19:48.320 --> 1:19:51.200
<v Speaker 9>left me. They may would have never known, right, But

1:19:51.520 --> 1:19:52.880
<v Speaker 9>you know that's what I told him. I said, he

1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:56.240
<v Speaker 9>corrected the mistake as soon as he went to get

1:19:56.280 --> 1:19:56.719
<v Speaker 9>me help.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they could have advocating for Dave. I mean, when

1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:01.840
<v Speaker 1>you're laying there in the hospital bed.

1:20:02.800 --> 1:20:06.080
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, because I mean I was you know, he you know,

1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:09.000
<v Speaker 9>he is man enough to go and get the help,

1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:10.240
<v Speaker 9>and you know, I mean.

1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:12.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a version of the story that would

1:20:12.640 --> 1:20:16.920
<v Speaker 1>have been fair to have said, you know, I forgive Dave,

1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:19.760
<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna press charges and we're gonna try to

1:20:19.760 --> 1:20:24.439
<v Speaker 1>get a you know, yeah, and whatever would it happened

1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:26.600
<v Speaker 1>to him. I mean, I just think it's it's just

1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:32.000
<v Speaker 1>so powerful that y'all were just like it's fine, Yeah,

1:20:32.080 --> 1:20:37.160
<v Speaker 1>we forgive him. Yeah, I mean really is it really is?

1:20:38.000 --> 1:20:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 6>I thought whenever the part where you the river where

1:20:48.760 --> 1:20:50.760
<v Speaker 6>your grandma's on the other side and your dad like

1:20:51.360 --> 1:20:54.360
<v Speaker 6>called you out of it almost with his yell, I

1:20:54.400 --> 1:20:58.000
<v Speaker 6>thought that that was really powerful. How it was, like,

1:20:58.720 --> 1:21:00.600
<v Speaker 6>I don't notice the way you described it almost I

1:21:00.640 --> 1:21:03.439
<v Speaker 6>mean it felt like you had in some ways you

1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:08.599
<v Speaker 6>had control of whether or not you you went across

1:21:08.640 --> 1:21:13.320
<v Speaker 6>the river you didn't, but then like it was it

1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:16.240
<v Speaker 6>was kind of like a between you and your dad.

1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:19.519
<v Speaker 6>It was almost like he pulled you out, but you

1:21:19.640 --> 1:21:24.559
<v Speaker 6>also were considering him and decided to like to pull

1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:27.639
<v Speaker 6>out of it. But I thought that that was really

1:21:27.680 --> 1:21:34.720
<v Speaker 6>powerful and just such a unique wild experienced to have.

1:21:37.160 --> 1:21:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you feel like if I mean, it's kind of

1:21:42.000 --> 1:21:45.120
<v Speaker 1>an unanswered question about how much control that we would have,

1:21:46.080 --> 1:21:49.400
<v Speaker 1>control that we would have inside of death.

1:21:49.479 --> 1:21:52.200
<v Speaker 8>I mean like yeah, I mean like I wanted to

1:21:52.400 --> 1:21:55.160
<v Speaker 8>interview those medics about why were y'all yelling at him.

1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:56.280
<v Speaker 5>What do you know about that?

1:21:56.560 --> 1:21:59.439
<v Speaker 8>Like you know that as it's almost like they've been

1:21:59.479 --> 1:22:02.320
<v Speaker 8>trained to yell and to wake people up, as if

1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:06.559
<v Speaker 8>people have some say in the right right some of

1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:10.200
<v Speaker 8>your will and you know, your will, I mean, that's

1:22:10.240 --> 1:22:11.240
<v Speaker 8>what dies when you die.

1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:13.120
<v Speaker 5>You know, that's what These are the things.

1:22:13.439 --> 1:22:17.360
<v Speaker 8>It's not just your physical you know, your heart beating,

1:22:17.439 --> 1:22:19.559
<v Speaker 8>but it's your mind, your will, your emotions, those are

1:22:19.560 --> 1:22:21.840
<v Speaker 8>the things that go and and they're appealing to that

1:22:22.000 --> 1:22:25.360
<v Speaker 8>with those with with that. I thought that was very

1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:27.000
<v Speaker 8>interesting that part of it.

1:22:27.360 --> 1:22:30.040
<v Speaker 3>Jason. Did you when when you had that experience, did

1:22:30.080 --> 1:22:32.800
<v Speaker 3>you have the feeling like I want to cross over

1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:35.120
<v Speaker 3>to see her or did it just feel like it

1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:36.240
<v Speaker 3>was the natural thing that was?

1:22:36.800 --> 1:22:39.439
<v Speaker 9>It just felt I guess natural. I thought I would

1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:42.759
<v Speaker 9>just you know, I think more of the naturally. Nothing

1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:45.240
<v Speaker 9>that per sue that I really wanted, But I just

1:22:45.280 --> 1:22:48.400
<v Speaker 9>felt like that I was that close.

1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:48.800
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1:22:49.680 --> 1:22:51.719
<v Speaker 3>It makes me think about just how we were talking

1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:55.120
<v Speaker 3>about your dad, Like if he hadn't built the level

1:22:55.120 --> 1:22:58.800
<v Speaker 3>of relationship with you that he had, there might not

1:22:58.920 --> 1:23:01.240
<v Speaker 3>have been that impetus. So like I gotta go back

1:23:01.280 --> 1:23:02.360
<v Speaker 3>because Dad's calling me.

1:23:02.760 --> 1:23:08.479
<v Speaker 2>You know, I would definitely say that's true. Wow, mm hmm, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>m hm.

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<v Speaker 1>Hm hmm, well mm hmmm mmm. You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what to say. Yeah, it was, it was,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was such a surprising story when we

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<v Speaker 1>first when I first heard about it, I mean, Eric

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<v Speaker 1>just gave me like a paragraph, you know, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>no details. He just told me. He said, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>interesting details. That's what he said. And so as I

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<v Speaker 1>again Josh, Josh was the one who went to Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh so I'm listening to it for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time on this computer right here, and I was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>whoa out about the experience? Wow to seventy oh gosh

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<v Speaker 1>wearing Hunter's orange.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, uh, you know, inch from the heart.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then the and then the ambulance breaks down.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa and then as ten breaks down. Yeah, the story

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<v Speaker 1>just keeps getting better and the and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the dad praise and they forgive this guy. Uh an

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<v Speaker 1>old outlaw saves the day. I mean, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this can't get any better.

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<v Speaker 3>If this isn't Bear greasy, I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 7>Isn't it through in case knives?

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<v Speaker 3>And he was wearing boots.

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<v Speaker 1>And Brent wants to know where those turkeys were.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, asking for a friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, go well yeah, well, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for coming all the way to Arkansas Global Headquarters and

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<v Speaker 1>we we didn't get to go to the COVID store today.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, Well we're going to give Jason the pair

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<v Speaker 1>to Covi's boots of your choosing. Okay, and you you

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<v Speaker 1>can go. You can go online and check it out out.

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<v Speaker 1>And they got a bunch of them. These are the

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<v Speaker 1>cobs right here. I love these. These are I usually

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<v Speaker 1>wear cowboy boots. But I got a pair of lace

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<v Speaker 1>ups too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, they got all kinds of stuff. But we

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<v Speaker 1>want to give that to you.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I appreciate it, but that's not necessary either. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>just by id said before. If anybody could get a blessing,

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<v Speaker 9>that's good enough for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well the.

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<v Speaker 5>Mission accomplished.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know they did.

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<v Speaker 3>Brent.

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<v Speaker 1>What's what's next for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you up to?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm still turkey hunting a little bit. I'm gonna run

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<v Speaker 7>out to Pennsylvania hunt with the Case boys out there,

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<v Speaker 7>and then in June heading up to Alaska, Saskatchewan I

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<v Speaker 7>gonna chase the old black bear.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Where you're going?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, up next to the Fond de Locke or Fond

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<v Speaker 7>de Lac river, way up there. Me and Dave Garner

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<v Speaker 7>gonna do a little movie shooting up there.

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<v Speaker 5>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Will that'd be a twelve twenty six, twenty seven, twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty seven nice next year? I wish Clay could go.

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<v Speaker 1>You can, for okay, get in that secon right over there,

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<v Speaker 1>and so okay, I'm gonna do a little bear hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bear hunting, little turkey hunting.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, in that order.

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<v Speaker 1>Bear, what's next for you?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we got a bear hunt coming up pretty soon,

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<v Speaker 6>last week of May, headed up to Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, y'all going for ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 6>You'll take three weeks the old self bows playing right now?

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<v Speaker 2>M m.

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<v Speaker 7>That way you get a lot, yeah, exactly for the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that will the arrow that you're shooting be made

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<v Speaker 3>out of a toilet?

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<v Speaker 6>No, we'll not, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what you need to do is kill one

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<v Speaker 1>with a toilet mode.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know about that. I would almost feel bad.

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<v Speaker 5>About that story. You know, someone that wants.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel bad about an animal's life being.

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<v Speaker 1>Taken, disspect, ultimately down. All right, Well, anything else you'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to say, Jason, We're I feel like we're we're

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<v Speaker 1>leaving a lot on the table. But we we talked,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked, I mean, we talked.

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<v Speaker 2>About a lot we did. I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>I just shout out to the family back in Hell

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<v Speaker 1>and Georgia.

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<v Speaker 5>Shout out to the story.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Eric, Eric, Yeah, thankful for Tammy and the girls

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<v Speaker 9>they helping with jay Lee where I could come and

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<v Speaker 9>thankful for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Good.

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<v Speaker 3>Folks want to buy a car where they need to go.

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<v Speaker 10>Make come see me, George, your car, Talk to Jason,

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<v Speaker 10>come see me.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, keep the wild places wild, because that's where the

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<v Speaker 1>bears live.

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<v Speaker 2>Shure h