Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nucomb and this is a production
Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the bear Grease Render. We have many distinguished
Speaker 1: guests with us today and I'm going to jump right
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Speaker 2: I thought it may be the electric chair. Uh man.
Speaker 1: We have Jason Dean with us from Helen Georgia, and
Speaker 1: Jason was spoiler alert. Jason was the protagonist on the
Speaker 1: last bear Grease episode and what you.
Speaker 3: Put that in layman's terms, what a protagon?
Speaker 1: He was the main man? Okay, he was the main man,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 3: Thought the bist like a villain.
Speaker 1: No PROTAGONA antagonist is the is the protagonist? Is the
Speaker 1: is the is the good guy? The main guy. And
Speaker 1: spoiler alert again if you haven't listened to it, Jason
Speaker 1: Dean was shot with the two seventy rifle in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety and we're going to talk all about that in
Speaker 1: just a minute. So welcome to Arkansas.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I appreciate being here to honor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it I'm so glad. It's an a for
Speaker 1: for you to be here with us. Really, that's the
Speaker 1: way I think about it. So so good to see you.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna dig deep in a minute. But we've
Speaker 1: got to cover a few things. First. We have doctor
Speaker 1: mister newcome here.
Speaker 4: Good to be great to see you, always good to
Speaker 4: be here.
Speaker 1: Brent w re very good to see you.
Speaker 2: Brent. What's a w stand?
Speaker 1: Can't say it on.
Speaker 3: Under Winner, Winn Winning.
Speaker 5: Brent just splashed a gang sign.
Speaker 6: What is your middle name?
Speaker 7: My middle name is brent By the first name is Danger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brent doesn't talk about his middle name. That's the reason.
Speaker 2: No, that is Brent is my middle name.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 5: I like to call Brent Brintley Brinley.
Speaker 7: There's two people on this planet to call me Brentley.
Speaker 7: My sister in law, Barbie Gene and and Misty Gene.
Speaker 3: Misty jan You know that's my mother in law, my wife,
Speaker 3: and my daughter's middle name.
Speaker 5: So Gene, they're all Jeans.
Speaker 7: Bailey's middle name is Suzanne. My mother in law's name
Speaker 7: is Suzanne. Alexis middle name is Suzanne. Until Bailey was
Speaker 7: in like the third grade, she thought everybody's middle name
Speaker 7: was Susanne.
Speaker 1: I thought you were about to say my middle That's
Speaker 1: why talk about it? Is your dad Johnny Ca, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well what about me?
Speaker 5: And keep going?
Speaker 1: Josh land Bridge Spillmaker and Bear John Newcomb you bet, yes, in.
Speaker 3: Their list of credits were always at the bottom.
Speaker 2: Bear.
Speaker 8: I think in the list of credits we should probably
Speaker 8: go by chair niceness. Somehow Bear gets some nicer chairs
Speaker 8: than I do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, first time, Josh and I.
Speaker 5: Josh and I kind of get the scrappy chairs.
Speaker 3: But you should see our mansions in heaven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't store up for yourself treasures on Earth where
Speaker 1: moss and moss and rush destroy.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure some of this holds up that one.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and a bunch more excellent excellent. Number two, You
Speaker 1: guys have heard about the Bear Grease YouTube channel? Yes,
Speaker 1: you probably have, but we wanted to. If you haven't
Speaker 1: checked it out, you should go check it out. We
Speaker 1: just we just bumped over one hundred thousand subscribers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just the last couple of days. Yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker 3: Awesome bear.
Speaker 1: What's going on over at the Bear Grease YouTube channel?
Speaker 6: Well, this week we've got a pretty a pretty crazy video,
Speaker 6: absurd video.
Speaker 3: Is it controversial?
Speaker 2: Is it? No?
Speaker 6: Yeah? No, I would I wouldn't say that. I mean
Speaker 6: on the surface, I think it would appear that way,
Speaker 6: but whenever you get into it, you realize we were
Speaker 6: going to be doing it anyway.
Speaker 1: And it hygenic.
Speaker 6: No, I actually probably contracted its.
Speaker 1: Where Okay, yeah, we were with baited breath. We wait
Speaker 1: to see what this video.
Speaker 6: We took a toilet up and we made it into
Speaker 6: stone points.
Speaker 1: A toilet was a little more content.
Speaker 6: It was like a competition where a bunch of flint
Speaker 6: and apples got together and we took a toilet tank
Speaker 6: crushed it up. You pick a piece and you have
Speaker 6: thirty minutes to make to make any.
Speaker 1: This was at a Big Bow your event, the Tensity classic, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is where a bunch of guys get together
Speaker 1: to make self bows and flint napp points and turns
Speaker 1: out ceramic. Like is in a toilet you could flint
Speaker 1: nap and make an incredible point. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: make a stone point what we call a stone point.
Speaker 1: Should you?
Speaker 2: Should you?
Speaker 1: Good question is you know you can make a point
Speaker 1: out of glass, literally a glass bottle. You can make
Speaker 1: it out of ceramic, you can make it out all
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. You can make one out of a
Speaker 1: piece of concrete. You know, it may not be that sharp,
Speaker 1: but so these guys make points, and so y'all made
Speaker 1: one out of a toilet?
Speaker 2: Who won?
Speaker 6: Uh is a fella named Jack Crafty?
Speaker 1: What happened to your real name? Joe W.
Speaker 2: Crafty?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 6: Well my point it was all right. I mean I
Speaker 6: got to point out, but it was it was nothing special.
Speaker 6: There are some I'm not that great of a flint napper,
Speaker 6: but I can flint napp. Yeah, these guys were some
Speaker 6: incredible the best flint nappers I've ever been around.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: They were just thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: What does it do? What does it do to your
Speaker 1: social credibility to have that on your resume, that you
Speaker 1: have flint napp? I don't know.
Speaker 6: Commind of hard to say, because the I will say,
Speaker 6: of my all the videos that I've ever posted on Instagram,
Speaker 6: that one has that I posted last year as twenty
Speaker 6: million views across all platforms, and I've never had a
Speaker 6: video get anywhere close to that. So I don't know
Speaker 6: what that says about it necessarily, other than.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just a commoter.
Speaker 6: It's just a very obscure thing to have on your
Speaker 6: commote angler your resume.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know what that does for my social credibility.
Speaker 8: I think there might be a different relationship that that
Speaker 8: experience has with your YouTube channel and your Instagram feed
Speaker 8: than like you're.
Speaker 6: Then like if I told yeah, yeah, yeah, Like if
Speaker 6: I was like on a date and I was like, exactly, I.
Speaker 1: Don't don't just don't lead. Is that what advice you'd give, Hi.
Speaker 2: Jason, I would agree with that. I don't lead with it.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was of like a twentieth day type of conversation.
Speaker 8: Well, I feel like that might be one of those
Speaker 8: things that you even hide, you know, like.
Speaker 1: I A, wow, don't hide.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm off for transparency. But I actually told your dad, like,
Speaker 8: I don't know if this helps our.
Speaker 5: But I will tell you getting married.
Speaker 1: I will tell you that the way that I captured
Speaker 1: set the hook on Misty. Let's see if I was
Speaker 1: with was was with a story about shooting a wild
Speaker 1: hog Jack Amber.
Speaker 5: It's true, it's true, it's true. It wasn't the it was.
Speaker 8: It wasn't the content of the story as much as
Speaker 8: it was Clay's passion, hand gestures, standing up, doing impressions,
Speaker 8: throughout the storytelling experience.
Speaker 2: I was, I was, I can see some of the gestures.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't have to tell you the story, okay,
Speaker 1: because there's a there's a circular. It's gonna wrap back
Speaker 1: around and buy us right in the tail.
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 1: I was a years seventeen years old junior in high school.
Speaker 1: Gary Neukomb gave me permission to skip school because I
Speaker 1: had a hog baited. I dug a big hole in
Speaker 1: the ground two feet deep, filled it full of corn.
Speaker 1: It was right on the edge of a of a
Speaker 1: like a floodplain of a creek where the bank dropped
Speaker 1: down to the creek.
Speaker 5: So already we're seeing some hand motions and got.
Speaker 7: Me already, and and.
Speaker 1: I had my hole down below the bank. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: like an eight foot bank, right at the base of
Speaker 1: an eight foot bank. Okay. I cleared the leaves out
Speaker 1: for forty yards back to where I could slip in
Speaker 1: there and then walk on bare dirt and just like
Speaker 1: peek over the edge. Thursday more. I remember it was
Speaker 1: a Thursday.
Speaker 3: And it was.
Speaker 1: February the thirteenth day. And I went down there and
Speaker 1: I didn't know if there was a hog there or not.
Speaker 1: There were no trail cameras at that time that we
Speaker 1: were using. And I slip up over that bank with
Speaker 1: my high country bow with a wasp jackhammer broadhead, and
Speaker 1: did y'all hear.
Speaker 5: How his accent got a lot more so?
Speaker 1: Now I'm just saying, I peek over the edge of
Speaker 1: that thing, and there is three quarters of the biggest
Speaker 1: hog I've ever seen in my life sticking out of
Speaker 1: that hole. His head was in the hole. Plan worked flawlessly.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm serious. I look over it. I mean,
Speaker 1: his head is in that hole, and I'm like fifteen
Speaker 1: yards and I just draw back, aim right behind the shoulder. Wop,
Speaker 1: hit that sucker right where I was aiming, right behind
Speaker 1: the shoulder. Air penetrates about three inches. The pig runs off,
Speaker 1: the era falls out on the ground, and never see
Speaker 1: the pig again. But where the story circulates back to
Speaker 1: stone point points. While I was looking for the hog,
Speaker 1: I went ahead and tried to track it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just thought maybe it got into the cavity. It
Speaker 1: did not. I found a beautiful stone point on the
Speaker 1: ground that I still happen to this day, was of
Speaker 1: a commode, maybe old one. I got red and I got.
Speaker 7: I got a half a key lowo Crystal myth out
Speaker 7: of a commode one time. Wow real yeah on a
Speaker 7: search one.
Speaker 6: Wow wow Wow, that's good.
Speaker 3: That was a pivot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a pivot. I'm just saying, going back
Speaker 5: to Clay's story, we call it.
Speaker 1: We call it Jack Camer. That that pig I named
Speaker 1: him Jack Cameron.
Speaker 8: Imagine you've never heard a hunting story before in your life, Okay, okay,
Speaker 8: because that's where I was. I didn't grow up in
Speaker 8: a hunting family or around hunters at all. And then
Speaker 8: you meet some guy and he tells you you're he's
Speaker 8: a hunter, and it's like ah, and then he proceeds
Speaker 8: to tell that story because it has leg.
Speaker 5: It's a red flag.
Speaker 8: We should play red flag, Green flag, and what what
Speaker 8: mister should have done?
Speaker 1: But that it kind of a metaphorical sense. The story
Speaker 1: was my corn in the hole.
Speaker 8: For no, no, no, no no no, that's not no.
Speaker 5: We're not gonna make me the hog. That's not the
Speaker 5: way you played this game play man.
Speaker 3: I saw a huge hog this morning, did you really? Yeah?
Speaker 3: He was two fifty plush way right on the side
Speaker 3: of the road. It was pulling in. I took Christy
Speaker 3: turkey hunting this morning, and she like.
Speaker 1: Intar acred spot that you're telling everybody about?
Speaker 3: No, I told most shepherd, and now everybody knows about.
Speaker 5: I got a call about it at school.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see if Moe listens to this piper, I
Speaker 1: know we'll see.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was a big, old like white and
Speaker 3: tan hog.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just right on the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Christy was like, was that a hog?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, big and wild hog. Jason, you have you
Speaker 1: have children?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir?
Speaker 1: You married?
Speaker 2: I am? Yes?
Speaker 1: How long you been married?
Speaker 9: We got married in ninety six, so that would be
Speaker 9: about the thirty two years of it, I guess.
Speaker 1: Like that excellent. How did you meet your wife?
Speaker 9: Actually at a place I probably shouldn't have been and
Speaker 9: she shouldn't have either, But we.
Speaker 3: We started, we hog bait, We hogged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, red flag, red flag.
Speaker 9: Now we just had a bunch of friends gathered around
Speaker 9: and and we didn't really know each other in school
Speaker 9: or anything like that, and we just met and kind of,
Speaker 9: you know, got the talking and been together ever since.
Speaker 1: So so nights, you've been married a long time?
Speaker 2: I have, yeah, all my life.
Speaker 1: How many kids do you have?
Speaker 2: We have three?
Speaker 9: I have all girls, and my youngest one she's a
Speaker 9: special needs child. She has a rare genetic story called
Speaker 9: Angelman syndrome. So, and then it's Amber and Jaden and
Speaker 9: Jayly's my three girls. That's excellent. No grandchildren, no, no,
Speaker 9: no yet. Yeah this grand cat and grand ble.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you. That's great. That's great. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the only other thing on my list. So
Speaker 1: there's a there's a guy that listen to the podcast
Speaker 1: named Brad Cordell. He seems like a really nice guy.
Speaker 1: He has a he has a he's a habitat wildlife
Speaker 1: land business. I'm actually gonna look up the name of
Speaker 1: his business. It's uh, let's see Brad's They.
Speaker 7: Enhanced wildlife Habitat for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does. He does all kinds of stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Oh gone, Brad, I'm sorry, man, I can't I can't
Speaker 1: find the name of your business. But Brad Cordell from
Speaker 1: Arkansas has got a habitat management business. But he messaged
Speaker 1: me yesterday lost forty habitat improvements Brad's business. So Brad
Speaker 1: messages me yesterday and he says, hey, Clay, I had
Speaker 1: a dream I don't want to tell you about Well,
Speaker 1: I'm all in.
Speaker 2: Is it what time? What time did this happen? What
Speaker 2: time of the day?
Speaker 1: Six ten am? Oh, freshly, that's when you got the message?
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, I take that back. It was two pm.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 7: Because if you tell a dream, if you have a
Speaker 7: dream and you tell it before you had breakfast, it'll
Speaker 7: come true.
Speaker 1: Oh oh wow, I hope you probably ate before too.
Speaker 5: Good luck, But that'd be an inter minute faster sweet.
Speaker 1: He says, He says, He says, hey, Clay, sorry, this
Speaker 1: is kind of long. Details are important. During an all
Speaker 1: day turkey hunt two hours from home yesterday, I dozed
Speaker 1: off and had a dream in which your my inner
Speaker 1: outlaw came out.
Speaker 5: WHOA.
Speaker 1: In the dream, we were hunting the same property, but
Speaker 1: not together, and I walked up on you, you and
Speaker 1: some other guy unknown, and you were using a remote
Speaker 1: control owl with a speaker on it, flying it around
Speaker 1: hooting trying to get a turkey to gobble. But since
Speaker 1: y'all was trespassing, since you were trespassing, I made y'all
Speaker 1: leave and called the game warden. And then he ends
Speaker 1: with for the record, you're welcome to come hunt. And
Speaker 1: then then he expounded, when I kind of asked a
Speaker 1: little bit about the owl, and he said, uh, he said,
Speaker 1: he said, do you remember that toy from the eighties
Speaker 1: where there was an airplane connected to a handle by
Speaker 1: about a twenty inch wire. Pressed the button on the
Speaker 1: handle that would start to propel her and it would
Speaker 1: fly in a circle around you. He said, that's how
Speaker 1: your owl was designed. But you press the button, the
Speaker 1: wings would flap. He goes on and says, do you
Speaker 1: remember the old movie Clash of the Titans. Now he
Speaker 1: wouldn't up, and now he's speaking my language. I mean
Speaker 1: that movie is iconic in my mind is a childhood
Speaker 1: and from my childhood. Do you remember that one?
Speaker 2: Don't?
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay? Well, he says, he said there was a
Speaker 1: He said, that's what the owl looked like, in all metal,
Speaker 1: mechanical looking owl that would fly around. And who that
Speaker 1: brings up my newest business idea.
Speaker 5: Yeah, ain't that copyright?
Speaker 1: Rad I'll cut you in trademark. Trademarket a drone with
Speaker 1: an owl? Hoot, because a lot of a lot listen,
Speaker 1: listen a lot of times. You know, if you're close
Speaker 1: and you're trying to shock goble of turkey, he'll answer you.
Speaker 1: You know, he might be a mile away and here
Speaker 1: just a distant owl and not do it. But if
Speaker 1: you were seventy five yards from and cranked up, he'd gobble.
Speaker 1: But you can hear that turkey for a long way.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, if we could, if we could get
Speaker 1: a locator call on a drone, I can.
Speaker 6: Already tell that I'm out. Next year, there's going to
Speaker 6: be a couple of states with some new laws.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll put that one in the back pocket.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks for sharing that, Brad, much appreciated.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and we're don't forget one more thing. Be on
Speaker 3: the lookout. Spring twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Yes, so am, I think we could. I think we
Speaker 1: can say we're not announcing this officially, but fun pretty close.
Speaker 1: February twenty seven is when my book comes out. Twenty seven,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 5: Actually didn't come out a couple weeks before the twenty seventh.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, February twenty twenty seven, American Bear. We're gonna
Speaker 1: gonna be a big splash when it comes out.
Speaker 3: Everybody learned how to read yas I said, I might
Speaker 3: have to learn how to read between now and then.
Speaker 5: We're offering phonics lessons, a couple of lists.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's gonna be it's gonna be really incredible. We
Speaker 1: gonna have some I've told little bits and pieces that's
Speaker 1: going to be in the book.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: I just did an interview this this week that was
Speaker 1: like a last minute addition to the book of one
Speaker 1: of the gnarliest bear attack stories that I've ever heard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's not what the book is about. But the
Speaker 1: book is about the biography of the American black bear,
Speaker 1: which will blow your mind. But the but, the but
Speaker 1: the man bear overlap, and how there's more overlap today
Speaker 1: than ever in human history. I Mean, you often think
Speaker 1: about wild animals and humans and like the stories of
Speaker 1: conflict would be old and long ago, and kind of
Speaker 1: the world is like a civilized place now. But really
Speaker 1: we've got more bear human overlap than ever before. In
Speaker 1: the American black bear. There are more American black black
Speaker 1: bears twice as many American black bear as all seven
Speaker 1: other bear species combined. So whatever's happening ecologically on planet Earth,
Speaker 1: the black bear is absolutely thriving. And so really America's
Speaker 1: bear story is just beginning, just beginning, and so the
Speaker 1: story that I interviewed these guys.
Speaker 3: It was a black bear attack.
Speaker 1: It was Wow, it was, and it's just kind of
Speaker 1: mind blowing. And the guy lived. I talked to the
Speaker 1: guy that got attacked.
Speaker 3: Wow, how long ago?
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen? Okay, yeah, the attack involved but may not
Speaker 1: have been related to the bear. The man getting a
Speaker 1: completely new titanium elbow, that's all I want to say.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so before or after after? Okay, after after, Well,
Speaker 1: this week's episode was very unique. It was kind of
Speaker 1: surprising to me when I heard the story. So, your
Speaker 1: nephew Eric is the one who reached out to us.
Speaker 2: Yes, he had messaged me after the fact. So I
Speaker 2: hope that's okay, that's fine with me, all good? Yes,
Speaker 2: that is my nephew Eric.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we get a lot of We get
Speaker 1: a lot of people that give us ideas. We honestly,
Speaker 1: we use a lot of them. Some of them just
Speaker 1: kind of moved through and it's just not something we
Speaker 1: can do, or maybe it's not a good idea at all,
Speaker 1: or maybe somebody's got a great idea but no connections,
Speaker 1: Like somebody might be like Clay, this will make a
Speaker 1: great bear grease and it would, but maybe there's no
Speaker 1: book or person or people to interview. When Eric emailed
Speaker 1: me or he messaged me and he said, he said,
Speaker 1: my uncle got shot in nineteen ninety. It's a really
Speaker 1: unique story. And he said, I could, I could get
Speaker 1: you Jason, my dad and the E M T. And
Speaker 1: you know, he kind of had it lined up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was speculating a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Now he realized when with something like this,
Speaker 1: did you I mean, is this hard to talk about?
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 9: It's just never never been hard for me whatsoever. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I'll be honest with you. Hearing my brother Ricky on
Speaker 9: the podcast, that's the worst I've ever heard him say
Speaker 9: about it ever. He really and my dad was the
Speaker 9: same way. They didn't They just didn't want to talk
Speaker 9: about it. And like Ricky had said, you know a
Speaker 9: lot of it to him, just the kind of a fog.
Speaker 9: It's just I think when they got to me, you know,
Speaker 9: but a good bit of time had already passed before
Speaker 9: they got there. And and like I said, when my
Speaker 9: dad screamed, I'm sure what he saw there he thought
Speaker 9: that you know, it was you know, I wasn't around
Speaker 9: anymore I'm sure because at the time, you know, John
Speaker 9: Clemens talked about the golden hour, Well, probably that golden
Speaker 9: hour had already passed before anybody got to me, being that, no,
Speaker 9: there was no ambulance in the county where I got shot.
Speaker 9: They had to come from the two adjoining counties to
Speaker 9: men the guy that so happened to come by, Richard Williams.
Speaker 9: You know, they had to go get the pay on
Speaker 9: to call them and then they had to meet him.
Speaker 9: Then he brought them to us, and so pretty good bit.
Speaker 9: I mean, I don't know how much at that how
Speaker 9: much time, but it had to be close to that
Speaker 9: hour before they ever got there. And then it was
Speaker 9: another hour to Saugusta and they John Clements said, there
Speaker 9: was no reason to go.
Speaker 2: We passed up two or three hospital.
Speaker 9: There was one other man that was in the hunting
Speaker 9: club and he couldn't keep up and he said he
Speaker 9: would stop at every exit it said hospital, and they
Speaker 9: didn't know what he was talking about, and he said,
Speaker 9: what the heck, you know, why would you go by
Speaker 9: this one? But John said, if we can't get him
Speaker 9: to a trauma unit, you know, there's no way, no
Speaker 9: other place we can go.
Speaker 1: Wow, So it was probably over two hours before you
Speaker 1: made it to the that specific.
Speaker 2: Conspacey, yes, I would say so. So.
Speaker 1: I mean that in and of itself, is is pretty
Speaker 1: pretty wild that.
Speaker 9: You yes, very much, you know that, just truly. I mean,
Speaker 9: it's just hard to really believe. I mean, it's just
Speaker 9: amazing how everything happened. And like John said, everything that
Speaker 9: could go wrong did seem to go wrong. But you know,
Speaker 9: it's still kind of worked out for my best I
Speaker 9: think I'm blessed to still be around for sure.
Speaker 1: You know, it's, uh, it's kind of wild to hear
Speaker 1: a story like this and and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you realize the what life was like before cell phones.
Speaker 1: To think of meeting a guy on the road, waving
Speaker 1: him down and saying, go get help. I mean that's
Speaker 1: kind of a thing of the past.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, really, yes, I.
Speaker 1: Mean I remember when I was a young man before
Speaker 1: cell phones, which I got my first cell phone to
Speaker 1: think of two thousand and one, so, I mean I
Speaker 1: was like twenty one or something. I remember when you
Speaker 1: saw somebody on the side of the road, you stopped
Speaker 1: to help, yeah, to ask him at least, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if you could I'd say pretty common practice.
Speaker 1: Somebody was pulled over on the road. You roll down
Speaker 1: your window, y'all, all right, you need help. I mean anymore,
Speaker 1: you're like.
Speaker 2: They got a cell phone.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got a cell phone. I mean, nobody doesn't have
Speaker 1: a cell phone. But to think of going out on
Speaker 1: this county road and this guy coming down the road
Speaker 1: and sending him to a payphone to call him, it's
Speaker 1: kind of wild.
Speaker 2: It is, it is, sure.
Speaker 9: And then yeah, he was sort of familiar with that area,
Speaker 9: so he kind of when he told him where we
Speaker 9: kind of word what. He just followed the stream where
Speaker 9: I was at to us. But yeah, it's uh, it really,
Speaker 9: it's just amazing really. And then the same guy who
Speaker 9: came brought them to me. Then that's when he went
Speaker 9: and got my dad and my brother, and he knew
Speaker 9: where our camp was. He was kind of familiar, and
Speaker 9: they were wondering why, you know, it had been a
Speaker 9: while before any you know, had I hadn't came back,
Speaker 9: and they didn't know. And he went and told him,
Speaker 9: you know, to come with him, and that's when he
Speaker 9: brought my dad and my brother over there to me
Speaker 9: where I was.
Speaker 1: So I want you guys to ask any questions that
Speaker 1: you would have just from listening to the episode. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to keep talking about y'all interrupt and just
Speaker 1: ask him a question about it. I got one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: You know what you're talking about?
Speaker 7: Cell phones and stuff in the advent of of apps
Speaker 7: and stuff like that. You know on X could you
Speaker 7: said you saw some turkeys earlier that day? Yes, any
Speaker 7: question or just needs to be related to Can we
Speaker 7: talk about the turkeys later after we sure? I would
Speaker 7: like in all seriousness, I listened to it twice, and
Speaker 7: I'm telling you it was a very moving thing. And
Speaker 7: you have you are a testament the faith and perseverance
Speaker 7: for for sure.
Speaker 2: Was there ever a time.
Speaker 7: And I already know the answer to this, Was there
Speaker 7: ever a time in that from the time you realize
Speaker 7: what had happened until you woke up later in that
Speaker 7: story where you had any any doubts or any feelings
Speaker 7: one strong feelings one way or the other? How valid
Speaker 7: your faith had been up to that point in your life?
Speaker 7: Am I asking that correctly?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 9: I think I no, I mean when they when that
Speaker 9: first happened, and uh, you know I had been involved
Speaker 9: in church my dad, you know, seen to it that
Speaker 9: we were and I had gotten saved in my belief
Speaker 9: in church as a younger man. And when I got shot,
Speaker 9: you know, I had actually told Dave, I said, you know,
Speaker 9: please don't leave me. I don't want to die alone.
Speaker 9: But I was okay with that at that time. And
Speaker 9: I didn't really have any I mean, I was just
Speaker 9: complete peace with it, and I was okay. Was no
Speaker 9: you know, really concerned as far as that if that's
Speaker 9: kind of what you were.
Speaker 7: It was, and I and I would think that that
Speaker 7: would have a lot to do with you coming through it.
Speaker 7: I obviously, yeah, the hand of the Lord is on you,
Speaker 7: but you didn't get it. You wouldn't panic it never Yeah, no,
Speaker 7: it was.
Speaker 9: I mean I was like I even the John Clement
Speaker 9: he had said before it was just he couldn't really
Speaker 9: believed that. I kind of stayed conscious and stayed you
Speaker 9: know pretty much. You know, I would weak by for sure.
Speaker 9: I mean I was just felt like I was total
Speaker 9: just you know, weak. I mean I don't but I
Speaker 9: still was, you know, alert and would at times you
Speaker 9: know there before my dad got there, I think I
Speaker 9: was really really close, you know, to to giving up
Speaker 9: I think, but I just when I I guess when
Speaker 9: he got there. It's more of a thing like, well, yeah,
Speaker 9: I just got a fight, so I don't want to
Speaker 9: I don't him. I could hear the pain in him
Speaker 9: as a child laying there, and I just so I
Speaker 9: just you know, it just and from you know, it's
Speaker 9: just I don't know really how to put that into
Speaker 9: words really, but it's just so strong.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just such an In the business that I
Speaker 7: I was in for forever, I've seen folks like that,
Speaker 7: and it's such a it's a rare there's always a
Speaker 7: common thread amongst it, and it's the will to it's
Speaker 7: the love of self or love of family, or love
Speaker 7: of something that gives people the inner strength to hang on.
Speaker 7: And it is it is not that while that story
Speaker 7: was unique, the situation of him coming through that to
Speaker 7: me was something that I've seen several times in my career.
Speaker 7: It and it's always a common thread in there, and
Speaker 7: it's just amazing, man, it is just so moving, very moving.
Speaker 1: Well, can you is there any more you can tell
Speaker 1: us about your the experience of seeing your grandmother.
Speaker 9: I mean when that was just before my dad got there,
Speaker 9: you know, I was probably, I would guess. I mean
Speaker 9: until I got to the hospital and they put me
Speaker 9: on you know, incubated me and all that. That was
Speaker 9: you know, probably the time that I was getting you know,
Speaker 9: I mean I was you'd lost yeah, and I feel like,
Speaker 9: you know, the way I can explain it was like,
Speaker 9: you know, it's just like my spirit had left my body.
Speaker 9: I feel like my spirit was what you know there
Speaker 9: And like I said, and it's just as vivid really
Speaker 9: to me now as it was thirty five years ago.
Speaker 9: It was just like if you was on the river
Speaker 9: at you know, right at daybreak, how a lot of
Speaker 9: times there will be the fog and the mist lifting
Speaker 9: off the water. It was like a moving water and
Speaker 9: and it was like that. And I was on this
Speaker 9: side of that river, and my grandmother was on the
Speaker 9: other side, and she just had her hand out, you know,
Speaker 9: to accompany me across. It's what I felt like. She
Speaker 9: recently passed away, yes, just a few months before.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Was she a believer?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so would she have been in your life like
Speaker 1: kind of icon of someone that she.
Speaker 9: Lived further away my mi I grew up more around
Speaker 9: on where my dad grew up, so it's twenty thirty
Speaker 9: minutes away. We would go to her house every two
Speaker 9: weeks on Sunday. But she was just a wholesome, really
Speaker 9: really good person. Really, And you know that area where
Speaker 9: we grew up, it's you know, my grandmother. She had
Speaker 9: an outthouse and an out She used to have a
Speaker 9: pail and a dipper to get her water out of
Speaker 9: a creek all my life as a child. The kids
Speaker 9: told us that, you know, she got old and feeble
Speaker 9: and she lived alone, still didn't have any indoor plumbing
Speaker 9: in her home. And they said, we're going to get
Speaker 9: you a well, and she finally gave in, said you
Speaker 9: can get me a well, but you ain't putting it
Speaker 9: in my house. I'll go out there and fill my pail.
Speaker 9: And that's how she wanted to really.
Speaker 2: They put a spickett there to get her water in
Speaker 2: a pill.
Speaker 7: Did you could during that time? Did you hear anything
Speaker 7: before you before you heard your father? I mean, did
Speaker 7: you hear the water running or no?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 9: The mostly the guys, the paramedics there, they were there
Speaker 9: basically screaming at me, but it was like they were
Speaker 9: across a football field away and I could barely hear
Speaker 9: them it was like they were just going on wild
Speaker 9: they're working on so that's when they come, you know,
Speaker 9: cut my They came in and I had this day
Speaker 9: after Christmas, so it's pretty cool, and I had on
Speaker 9: at the time. You were the real thick line cover
Speaker 9: offs and they start trying to cut cut them off
Speaker 9: of their scissors and h That's when they had asked, said,
Speaker 9: you know, we need a knife or whatever.
Speaker 2: Did anybody have one?
Speaker 9: And nobody answered, And then I told them, well, I
Speaker 9: had that case trapper in my pocket and I always
Speaker 9: keep it pretty sharp. So they get and they coming
Speaker 9: up my leg really really fast, more than I was
Speaker 9: comfortable with.
Speaker 2: I told them to slow down just a little bit
Speaker 2: with that sow.
Speaker 9: But but they were screaming at me, you know, to
Speaker 9: trying to keep me there. They were just you know,
Speaker 9: they were screaming. But to me, it was like I
Speaker 9: could barely hear them. It's like they were way way away.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Was it a.
Speaker 1: What did you feel when you saw your grandmother the river?
Speaker 1: I mean, what was this that was?
Speaker 9: I just felt just a total peace and I didn't
Speaker 9: feel anything really at that time. You know, when I
Speaker 9: first got hit with a bullet. I mean it hit
Speaker 9: hard and it was just like you got hit in
Speaker 9: the back, you know something just it almost knocked me down.
Speaker 9: And I was seventeen years old, and you see, I'm
Speaker 9: a bigger guy, and I played football, so I'm a
Speaker 9: pretty stout guy. And I can remember I had a
Speaker 9: cap on and it hit me so hard, like my
Speaker 9: body moved with the hat like dipt'ing. And when when
Speaker 9: I finally kind of got stood back up, the cat
Speaker 9: was sitting on my head sideways.
Speaker 2: That's how hard it hit me.
Speaker 9: And then and immediately I thought it hit me in
Speaker 9: my stomach because every I could feel blood just I
Speaker 9: thought pouring out, but it was actually in turn, I.
Speaker 1: Just feel like water, like the blood slow and.
Speaker 9: One I could feel hot warm, the warm inside. Well,
Speaker 9: I thought it was out, but it was inside, not it.
Speaker 9: And I thought that's where I actually put my hands here.
Speaker 9: I thought I got shot there.
Speaker 3: That would have been your spleen problem.
Speaker 2: That was my spleen. Yes, that's where my splendid rupture.
Speaker 2: And every time my.
Speaker 9: Heart beat I could have felled that blood just pouring
Speaker 9: and come to find actually hit me.
Speaker 2: It was up there.
Speaker 9: It hit me to the left of the inchs to
Speaker 9: my spine right here by the middle my back, and
Speaker 9: it came up, went through my left lungless my heart
Speaker 9: by the inch. It came out over here under my arm,
Speaker 9: out my rib cage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what what does it? What's it feel like
Speaker 1: to get shot with a two seventy.
Speaker 9: It just that that impact was really what I felt.
Speaker 9: And then immediately that for the concussion that my spleen reps,
Speaker 9: I started feeling that blood, you know, and which I say,
Speaker 9: I thought it was out, but it was internal. But
Speaker 9: it's just a hard Did.
Speaker 3: You immediately feel pain?
Speaker 2: No, that's what I didn't feel. No pain, No, No.
Speaker 1: Like the whole time, it just felt like somebody hit
Speaker 1: you with a baseball back back.
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, and then I started losing blood so fast.
Speaker 9: I got really, really really weak. But really as far
Speaker 9: as saying pain, no, I don't think it. I couldn't
Speaker 9: say that. I did feel pain.
Speaker 2: Later on in recovery, yes, well that's kind of strange.
Speaker 9: In recovery, when I finally got off the ventilator, and
Speaker 9: all the doctor told me said when they let me
Speaker 9: go home, he said, Jason said, when you go home,
Speaker 9: when all this starts healing up, and I mean your
Speaker 9: sore and what I've been cut open back like open
Speaker 9: mark surgery.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 9: He said, you're not going to believe it. So when
Speaker 9: you when all that gets better and you quit hurting
Speaker 9: from that, he said, you're gonna have a pain right
Speaker 9: there in your left shoulder behind down below your shoulder.
Speaker 9: And he said it's gonna hurt you for a whole
Speaker 9: lot longer. And I said why, And he said, that
Speaker 9: bullet just broke that real terrible bead where it went
Speaker 9: in to war my lung. And he said that's going
Speaker 9: to hurt you longer than anything else. And sure enough,
Speaker 9: it was just that that did that that where that
Speaker 9: rib was broken, it hurt you know.
Speaker 3: After did the bullet fragment? No, well did they find it? No,
Speaker 3: it went through and through and through.
Speaker 1: You know what kind of tip?
Speaker 2: What kind of bullet was I do? It was one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty grain Remington soft point.
Speaker 1: Wow, So what would that mean? It would a mushroom bread?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm surprised it didn't tear apart.
Speaker 9: If I'm not going to say they might have said
Speaker 9: something about they might have found a little fragment or two,
Speaker 9: like in the side of me. But like I say,
Speaker 9: I was when they operated, you know, of course I
Speaker 9: was out for a while. So but I think later
Speaker 9: one of the doctors there at the Medical College of Georgia,
Speaker 9: he might have mentioned that they did get a piece
Speaker 9: or two that had kind of fragmented in there somewhere.
Speaker 6: Did it have any impact on you going back into
Speaker 6: the woods.
Speaker 9: After Yeah, that's what I want to know, know, And
Speaker 9: I've had that question many times. He'll say, good lord,
Speaker 9: you've lost your mind. But I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 9: I guess in one way that made me appreciate life.
Speaker 9: I mean, I always did anyway, but you need to
Speaker 9: appreciate every day. And I always might answer to that
Speaker 9: is if there's something you enjoy doing, you need to
Speaker 9: do it because you may not be here to do
Speaker 9: it tomorrow.
Speaker 2: So my dad.
Speaker 9: In fact, you know, he told me, he said, son,
Speaker 9: do you want to hunt anymore? And I said yeah.
Speaker 9: He said, well, I want to find a place, and
Speaker 9: we still thankful to have it.
Speaker 2: Today. He had bought some property. He said I'm done.
Speaker 9: At that time, we paid the least property, you know,
Speaker 9: from somebody else and had other members and Dad said
Speaker 9: that I'm done with that. So he said, I all
Speaker 9: know who's on hours, and we'll have control of that.
Speaker 9: And he bought fifty eight acres in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 9: Then later he brought thirty eight more. So when he passed,
Speaker 9: there's like ninety seven acres we have within ten minutes
Speaker 9: of where that happened. It's about two hours from my home,
Speaker 9: and we still cherish it to this day. My daughter,
Speaker 9: middle daughter.
Speaker 2: She loves that, you know, she's there with me. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Do you have any dreams, any bad dreams, any thoughts,
Speaker 7: anything that will trigger a memory of that day or anything.
Speaker 9: That's a question that they actually had told my dad
Speaker 9: said you need to get him with a counselor or something.
Speaker 9: Said he's going to have a lot of trouble with
Speaker 9: this and this. I have never had the first nightmare,
Speaker 9: the first Never never had one.
Speaker 1: Oh, never have thank god. Yeah, that's incredible. Never had
Speaker 1: no trauma from this.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I mean that's when I knew you were coming, and
Speaker 1: I knew we were going to talk about this. I
Speaker 1: had a sense just of how open you were with Josh.
Speaker 1: But I also thought, I wonder if this is going
Speaker 1: to be hard to talk about this now.
Speaker 2: It doesn't like I said, my brother and my dad,
Speaker 2: but he's past.
Speaker 9: They it's they do my brother, Ricky, my sister and
Speaker 9: my mom and stuff, and John Clemens to tell. When
Speaker 9: they were carrying me out on the gurney, Ricky was
Speaker 9: on the left shoulder and he hand touched that where
Speaker 9: it was open, and it burned. It's like you noticed,
Speaker 9: rick it was burned and I yelled it hurt and
Speaker 9: he asked him to sit me down, and he didn't
Speaker 9: want to go any further. He told John, said, I
Speaker 9: don't want his last memory to be me hurting him
Speaker 9: and that John said he's hurting already. Let's get him
Speaker 9: out of here. And so they picked me up went on.
Speaker 9: But Ricky he got blood of course on him. And
Speaker 9: my sister said she got to the hospital. My mom
Speaker 9: was at home, so she had to get her brother
Speaker 9: to bring him to Augusta, which is three hours from home,
Speaker 9: and they get there later in the night, and Ricky
Speaker 9: of course had washed up then. But she said they
Speaker 9: were trying to find where to go, and said she
Speaker 9: see through the window saw Ricky sitting in the hospital
Speaker 9: there and said he was just wringing his hands because
Speaker 9: he'd had that blood on him, and it was really
Speaker 9: bothering him, and he, you know, done that for a
Speaker 9: long time when it it just he couldn't get that
Speaker 9: out of his mind, you know. And and me when
Speaker 9: I yelled when it hit, it hurt, and I think that,
Speaker 9: you know, bothered him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I think sometimes it probably it
Speaker 1: checks out that traumatic experiences impact those around us, maybe
Speaker 1: as much as us. I mean, And I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: a few scenarios where you would thought you would have
Speaker 1: thought the the person, the person that happened to, but
Speaker 1: it was actually the ripple of it into someone else,
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of was traumatic, you know.
Speaker 8: And there's there's some if you look at for example,
Speaker 8: if you look at abuse like child abuse, sometimes in
Speaker 8: a family, there will be one child that's abused in
Speaker 8: the siblings that watch it, and they found stronger impacts
Speaker 8: on the siblings than there have been on the person
Speaker 8: that was like the person for whatever reason. And I
Speaker 8: think part of that is processing it. I think sometimes
Speaker 8: you know, like even just to hearing you tell the story,
Speaker 8: you kind of have to be able to tell the
Speaker 8: story where it's not it doesn't feel like it's happening again.
Speaker 8: And that's that's kind of the measure of what trauma,
Speaker 8: the level of trauma that you experience, and it's really
Speaker 8: it's for someone who's experiencing peace in that scenario, you know,
Speaker 8: it probably was a different experience for you, not I mean,
Speaker 8: the recovery was probably much.
Speaker 5: Worse for you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot harder, you know, just physically to fully recover,
Speaker 8: but that that that point of trauma might in some
Speaker 8: ways have been more in some ways more traumatics.
Speaker 9: I've said, I can't imagine what they felt when they
Speaker 9: got there, because a lot of time had passed, you know,
Speaker 9: they had you know, by the time Ricky and my
Speaker 9: dad got there, they had my clothes. I'm laying in
Speaker 9: the middle of the woods. You know, I'm sure, you know,
Speaker 9: I just can't imagine what that would yeah, sure be
Speaker 9: for them, you know. And then too, and I've said
Speaker 9: it was one of the first things that I was
Speaker 9: when I was on the ventilator, I was trying to
Speaker 9: get them to give me a pen and that, you know,
Speaker 9: Dave Reese, the guy who shot me, and everybody can
Speaker 9: make them mistake of them. It's hard to understand, but
Speaker 9: he I mean, I really believe it's probably harder on
Speaker 9: him mentally, I know it was than it had not physically,
Speaker 9: but mentally it really it was hard on him. And
Speaker 9: that was the first thing I wrote a note, was
Speaker 9: how was it? Yeah, that was the first thing I asked,
Speaker 9: you know, so, yeah, yeah, he was struggling really bad.
Speaker 1: To go back just a little bit. The first time
Speaker 1: I heard your story and all these episodes, like Josh
Speaker 1: went on this one and you talked to Jason for
Speaker 1: like forty four minutes. He talked to Ricky for fifty
Speaker 1: five minutes, He talked to John Clemens for forty minutes.
Speaker 1: And so the episode that we built combined all three
Speaker 1: of you was fifty five minutes, so that there was
Speaker 1: longer interviews that you did with Jason. But what stood
Speaker 1: out to me was you got in a creak.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and why that came to my mind? I couldn't
Speaker 9: answer that closs.
Speaker 3: So that was a conscious thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I was standing on the side of the stream there
Speaker 9: and and when that hit me in I said, when
Speaker 9: I yelled for help, I said, oh God, I've been shot.
Speaker 9: Somebody please help me. I yelled, somebody helped me two
Speaker 9: more times. The first time I was able to yell
Speaker 9: pretty good. The next time I'm getting weak pretty quick.
Speaker 9: And then I knew. I said, I can't go. I
Speaker 9: might just cut. There's no way that I could have went.
Speaker 9: And it come to my mind. I said, well, I've
Speaker 9: seen a lot of deer that go to water, and
Speaker 9: I don't know why they go to water, but I said, well,
Speaker 9: I'm just going to sit down here in the streaming.
Speaker 9: And the bank was there, and I just kind of
Speaker 9: laid kind of my arm up on the bank and
Speaker 9: that water is kind of water about I don't know,
Speaker 9: six or eight inches. Was the water touching the wound. No, possibly,
Speaker 9: it was just a ball with my legs and all.
Speaker 9: And they said that that being I got so cold,
Speaker 9: that that could have slowed everything down.
Speaker 2: That may have helped.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean because I got the day after Christmas
Speaker 9: and I'm sitting in water running streams, So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 9: but I don't know why I did, but that just
Speaker 9: came to my mind, just to sit down in that water.
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about it being so cold. I hadn't
Speaker 1: thought about it being like a hypothermic.
Speaker 2: Those thoughts said it slowed everything down.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean that would have slowed his heart way down.
Speaker 3: That's what I was pumping all his blood out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I was thinking about, not getting you know,
Speaker 7: so excited and everything, and.
Speaker 1: In that cold water. It's a seventeen year old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's easy to see him now as an
Speaker 1: adult who's got a lot of life experience, but he
Speaker 1: was seventeen exactly when I heard it, I just thought,
Speaker 1: this is this is a woodsman, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody that has grown up in the woods and just
Speaker 1: kind of knows the natural world to get shot and
Speaker 1: have the wherewithal to be like, I'm going to get
Speaker 1: in the creek because I think it is going to
Speaker 1: help me. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And then like you know, when he got there to me,
Speaker 9: you know, he he got me up out of the
Speaker 9: water right and laid me just flat on my back.
Speaker 9: Then you know, we're that bullet with my lung. I mean,
Speaker 9: it's coming out blood from my nose. I'm drowned then,
Speaker 9: and he actually took his cover OFLLS off and put
Speaker 9: under my back to sit me up now because it
Speaker 9: was up high on my lung where it hit me.
Speaker 9: So that gave me a little bit of relief. And
Speaker 9: then that's when he left to go get help and
Speaker 9: all that, you know, but yeah, but yeah, yes, I
Speaker 9: don't know.
Speaker 1: Yes, Bar, did you have any thoughts like what stood
Speaker 1: out to you? If if Jason wasn't sitting here, what
Speaker 1: would you say about?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, the biggest thing was I think it kind
Speaker 6: of put the fear of God of me a little
Speaker 6: bit about just being out on like public land. And
Speaker 6: because you know, I saw that orange vest that you
Speaker 6: were wearing, and it wasn't like it was like one
Speaker 6: of those little yeah orange. Yeah, it was a very solid,
Speaker 6: better orange than I usually wear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you with.
Speaker 9: This was probably right at dark too, and it was
Speaker 9: like really a thick cover to where I was. But still,
Speaker 9: I mean it's hard to have a mont really, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: but I just thought that that was I know a
Speaker 9: lot of people do try to kind of limit the
Speaker 9: orange they wear. And I mean even now and like
Speaker 9: you talk about to ask me if I still.
Speaker 2: Have thoughts or worry or whatever.
Speaker 9: You know, we own that property there where I'm at,
Speaker 9: and sometimes I'll just grab my canflice coat and head
Speaker 9: off to the tree stand. And my daughter, my wife, said,
Speaker 9: get you dang orange vest.
Speaker 10: You were like, hey, it doesn't always got me shot
Speaker 10: one time.
Speaker 1: Again, you get to Orge, I'm going to bulletproof of
Speaker 1: I thought you. I thought you were going to say, Hey,
Speaker 1: I've been shot once, I ain't gonna get shot again.
Speaker 9: I got some orange foot orange shirts.
Speaker 3: Jason, I've got a question for you.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: And in just a little bit of time that I've
Speaker 3: spent with you, you're an incredibly positive person, Like like everything
Speaker 3: that comes out of your mouth that has a positive
Speaker 3: spin to it. And and you said, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't have bad days, but some days are better than others.
Speaker 3: Looking at this thing that is a tragedy, I mean horrible,
Speaker 3: we would never want to happen. What can you say,
Speaker 3: because I know that you have something to say, what
Speaker 3: positive came from it?
Speaker 9: But just the appreciation of each and every day, I
Speaker 9: mean it's a you know, it's a blessing. And just
Speaker 9: that to be able to be up and enjoy my
Speaker 9: family and see them and you know, and and then
Speaker 9: not to say that when that day comes that I'm
Speaker 9: ready to go home. I am, but you know, I
Speaker 9: enjoy the time here and get to me and with
Speaker 9: the It's just every day is truly.
Speaker 2: A blessing to me.
Speaker 9: And I don't know what you'd talk about reading some
Speaker 9: of the stuff about the eye out of the body experience,
Speaker 9: it'll see in there, And I haven't read that. Pool
Speaker 9: We've done this podcast in thirty five years. I've never
Speaker 9: had no desire to really look. But from when you
Speaker 9: read it says that you'll have a profound appreciation for
Speaker 9: life after that happens. And I feel like that I
Speaker 9: have that and maybe had it before.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7: It only accentuate your your feelings.
Speaker 2: For it to be true.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, m hmmm.
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 7: It's just incredible. It is a europe To COVID's hot
Speaker 7: seat miracle, if you were sitting in that saddle or
Speaker 7: standing on top of the roof.
Speaker 1: Something about the medical aspects of John John Clement's talking
Speaker 1: about your body only has so much blood. He maybe
Speaker 1: I understand, maybe it was understood by everyone, but there
Speaker 1: was maybe a little bit of detail I had to
Speaker 1: clip out. But John put trousers like like in inflatable trousers.
Speaker 1: Did that make sense?
Speaker 9: And you talked about that. I heard the shooting and
Speaker 9: all not those things. I begged and pleaded please take
Speaker 9: these off of me. It felt like a truck laying
Speaker 9: on my legs.
Speaker 2: They were tore. It was all I.
Speaker 9: Begged him to take. But I didn't over know the name.
Speaker 9: I always said mass trousers, and that's what they caught.
Speaker 9: But it's metal or military anti shock or anti shock,
Speaker 9: you know, so it's pressurizing, It pushes it, it won't
Speaker 9: allow none back in either. Your blood pushed up your extremities.
Speaker 9: And they said that's they used it like in Vietnam.
Speaker 9: That's why so many of them didn't have no legs,
Speaker 9: a lot of them. You leave them on long enough,
Speaker 9: you're going to lose them. It's a sacrifice.
Speaker 1: These to keep you here, keep you alive.
Speaker 9: And they John had told me when we talked recently,
Speaker 9: he said, they don't even have those on ambulets anymore.
Speaker 9: I don't know if that tried or wrong, but he's paramedic.
Speaker 9: He said that they don't. And he said, I don't
Speaker 9: agree with that because he said, in that his situation,
Speaker 9: they can really make out that, like say, well, that's
Speaker 9: like he had told about putting the thing that each
Speaker 9: kneedling my neck, you know. He said that wasn't really protocol.
Speaker 9: But he's you know, and he said something to me
Speaker 9: during this time all this has came about that, you know,
Speaker 9: And that's one thing I've kind of had a hard
Speaker 9: time to get out of my mind.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 9: One of the men on the amulets told him said, John, stop,
Speaker 9: leave him alone. He's trying to die. Let him go
Speaker 9: in peace. He'd actually asked him to, you know. And
Speaker 9: and that's what John said. He had to have that volume.
Speaker 9: That's why he put one on each side of my
Speaker 9: neck to get enough volume to get me going, you
Speaker 9: know wow. And he told me there at that time,
Speaker 9: he said, your heart will beat on water, but it
Speaker 9: won't carry the oxygen everywhere else.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. Yeah, And so that's what he said.
Speaker 9: He gave me all that fluid, and he said that,
Speaker 9: you know, I make jokes of a lot of stuff.
Speaker 9: It really ain't funny, probably, but he said that, you know,
Speaker 9: a lot of times you get that much fluids may
Speaker 9: may have brain damage. And I said, well, the jury
Speaker 9: is still out on that.
Speaker 1: We'll have to ask your wife. Well, hearing him talk
Speaker 1: about that and thinking about a bullet hole and we've
Speaker 1: seen deer and animals shot with bullets, so we know
Speaker 1: we're a unique batch of people hunters. To think about
Speaker 1: a hunting cartridge being shot and then to think of
Speaker 1: it going through a human, I mean it's kind of
Speaker 1: we kind of were in a weird situation because it's
Speaker 1: so even knowing where it went on your body, I
Speaker 1: mean like through the top of the lung, almost hit
Speaker 1: the heart, right by your spine, it makes you well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna aside from that, makes you realize how
Speaker 1: ephemeral life is. I mean, like basically where this we're
Speaker 1: like a pump station or natural body is. And I
Speaker 1: mean if there's a leak in the system, it doesn't
Speaker 1: work for very long. I mean it's like a motor
Speaker 1: like if there's a hole in your motor.
Speaker 2: Grain all the hole out of it, you got a problem.
Speaker 1: And there's no pressure. But I mean you just think
Speaker 1: about how actually easy it would be to cut yourself,
Speaker 1: I mean, get cut or hurt, I don't know. John said,
Speaker 1: you know every day you wake up and you're alive.
Speaker 1: You should be thankful that when you're young. Is hard.
Speaker 1: The older I get, the more I think about that,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting how John was like, you
Speaker 3: have calls where everything goes perfectly and people still die. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you get this. He said he'd seen a lot
Speaker 3: of gunshot victims.
Speaker 1: He said he'd seen thirty. I had to cut that out.
Speaker 3: And his was the worst, and I mean other than
Speaker 3: a mortal gunshot wound. And he said he lived. You know,
Speaker 3: pretty fascinating.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow wow.
Speaker 8: I want to what Bear was talking about when you
Speaker 8: said it put the fear of God in you? When
Speaker 8: I was listening, was it your brother that said you
Speaker 8: don't know? He said, I don't know what the the
Speaker 8: man that shot you was thinking, you don't eat.
Speaker 2: He just can't comprehend. He's understand.
Speaker 5: So that's what I think.
Speaker 8: I I do understand if I talk about that brought
Speaker 8: I brought some textbooks, but all not textbooks.
Speaker 4: Actually really easy to give the doctor the floor.
Speaker 8: So your brain, like we think about the way when
Speaker 8: we see things that we're looking at like a mirror,
Speaker 8: but really your brain functions not like a mirror or
Speaker 8: like a camera, but like a filtering device. That's kind
Speaker 8: of how the So like, we're all in this room
Speaker 8: right now, and I can't see everything in this room,
Speaker 8: even though if I looked around, I would be able
Speaker 8: to see it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 8: And have y'all ever seen that video where they put
Speaker 8: all the kids in they're in like white all white outfits. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and they're throwing the ball back and forth and they
Speaker 8: say how many times did they throw the ball back
Speaker 8: and forth? And you're locked in watching how many times
Speaker 8: they threw the ball back and forth? At the end,
Speaker 8: you know they did that eight times? And they said, great,
Speaker 8: did you see the monkey walk through.
Speaker 5: The middle of them?
Speaker 8: And a fully dressed six foot four gorilla walks through
Speaker 8: the middle while they're passing that ball to each other
Speaker 8: and no one sees it. Yeah, unless you've seen the
Speaker 8: video before, because once you've seen it, you never unsee it. So,
Speaker 8: but if you've never seen it before, your mind was
Speaker 8: focused on that. And what So the brain is trying
Speaker 8: to like it's trying to filter things out, but it's
Speaker 8: using it's using what it thinks. It's a prediction machine, basically,
Speaker 8: and it's using what it thinks it will see to
Speaker 8: inform what's actually there. And so, and it's using two things.
Speaker 8: Number One, we're.
Speaker 1: Going to bring this back to black panthers.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Okay, Okay, you can't easily.
Speaker 8: Number One, it uses what you see, like what the
Speaker 8: eyes are actually seeing. And number two, what based upon
Speaker 8: your biological responses in that moment, what you have seen
Speaker 8: in the past. Okay, so when your heart's beating a
Speaker 8: certain way, when you're you know, if you if it
Speaker 8: smells like hunting, if it feels like hunting, if it
Speaker 8: feels like that's a deer, and your heart starts to
Speaker 8: race a little bit. So if he's in those stands
Speaker 8: and he hears wrestling and he you know, I mean
Speaker 8: as a hunter, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: All the same things, and that if it had actually
Speaker 1: been there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's a biological thing happening, and.
Speaker 4: It's telling your brain in you for action it is.
Speaker 8: And it's telling your brain this is what it's this
Speaker 8: is what's fixing to happen. And since your brain's job
Speaker 8: is not to see everything, it's literally to block everything
Speaker 8: out except for what it thinks it's supposed to see.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Well, it definitely makes sense.
Speaker 9: And that adds too. After it was over, he had
Speaker 9: said David said that he had saw a buck chasing
Speaker 9: a dough earlier and he was anticipating seeing it and
Speaker 9: I at the time had a little illuminum climbing stand
Speaker 9: of that era. Yeah, and he heard that clang and
Speaker 9: he thought those two bucks were down fighting.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, his brain was messing.
Speaker 2: With him down and when I came down, he heard that.
Speaker 5: So his brain everything all the.
Speaker 9: Times there, So that makes sense totally.
Speaker 2: That goes right with it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I brought pictures that you could look at
Speaker 8: to make your brain do these tricks where you look
Speaker 8: at the pictures and you don't know what you're seeing,
Speaker 8: and then you say one word and all of a sudden,
Speaker 8: your brain starts to think, oh, I know what that is,
Speaker 8: and you see you see something else in the pictures
Speaker 8: and you can never unsee it once you It's just
Speaker 8: it's it's kind of a wild thing. So sometimes people
Speaker 8: will say things happened and you're like, I was right there,
Speaker 8: that did not happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well what if I said a thousand thousand times,
Speaker 3: want two different stories talking to two people, that's all
Speaker 3: the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Witness to the Brent says yeah, And he also says,
Speaker 1: let the calf suck when wants you to drive faster.
Speaker 5: But they're not lying.
Speaker 8: They are they are the brain, you know, and it's
Speaker 8: not really tricking them, but it is. So you get
Speaker 8: into a stand and the smart thing to do is say,
Speaker 8: actually tell yourself the counterfactual. If you're out with people
Speaker 8: and say I see orange, you know, make yourself like
Speaker 8: you can change the way you think.
Speaker 3: That deer wearing an orange vest.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and look, and your brain will say. If you
Speaker 8: say I see orange and orange is out there, your
Speaker 8: brain's going to start looking for orange.
Speaker 5: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I was thinking about that too, like you should take that, well,
Speaker 6: how that could happen? And I could. I feel like
Speaker 6: I could see how that could happen. Like if your
Speaker 6: mind is like like whenever you're out there, you're like
Speaker 6: wanting to see a deer, so like sometimes like I
Speaker 6: remember one time a hog walked in front of me
Speaker 6: and I thought, you know, whenever I first thought, I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, it's a deer. And it took me
Speaker 6: you know, a while watching it before I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: well that's just a hog. But it's like my mind wanted.
Speaker 7: If you look and you saw a stump with limbs
Speaker 7: behind and you go oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so his brain told him he did see it.
Speaker 2: Dearpating so much, that's.
Speaker 8: What you want and your brain is filtering out anything
Speaker 8: that's not that. So it literally his brain could have
Speaker 8: filtered out the orange. And you don't believe that could
Speaker 8: happen until you didn't see that monkey, you know, that
Speaker 8: gorilla walking through those people, you know, and when you realize,
Speaker 8: oh my goodness, whatever I'm thinking about is what I see.
Speaker 8: So your past experience is really shaping your future experience.
Speaker 5: In ways that we don't fully understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is scary. Just the gun safety aspect,
Speaker 1: which we really didn't focus on in the episode. It
Speaker 1: was kind of a given. And oh man, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a nut with with gun safety and that doesn't exclude
Speaker 1: me from being when I say that, I don't take
Speaker 1: pride in that because I realize anybody can make a mistake,
Speaker 1: but just every time I hold a gun, so I'm
Speaker 1: very conscious and I want people around me to be conscious.
Speaker 1: There's a guy in Oklahoma. He was the man. Terrible,
Speaker 1: terrible thing happened two weeks ago Oklahoma a. He was
Speaker 1: ahead of a Baptist children's He got killed by tss
Speaker 1: load out of a turkey gun. Oh my goodness killed him.
Speaker 1: I mean, so we it's turkey season right now. We've
Speaker 1: been talking a lot about turkey stories, and back in
Speaker 1: the day it would have been very rare for someone
Speaker 1: to get killed by a turkey load. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know lots of people that have been shot with turkey loads,
Speaker 1: and usually it's a long ways off and they get peppered.
Speaker 1: I mean really, I know several people that have been
Speaker 1: shot and it's usually not that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: But with the new TSS.
Speaker 7: Loads, depends on which end of that's your that's right,
Speaker 7: depends on which end of that's your own, how big
Speaker 7: a deal it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Not usually immortal life, yeah.
Speaker 1: But any more any any more fatal wound, mortal wound,
Speaker 1: that's a good word to.
Speaker 5: Okay, I've never I've never heard that immortal wound.
Speaker 3: I don't think there is an immortal.
Speaker 1: Thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know what name.
Speaker 3: I don't know islander.
Speaker 1: No, No, I've I've turkey loads. I've been on a
Speaker 1: little kick here recently. Yes, I actually, yesterday Josh and
Speaker 1: I went turkey hunting. I almost brought a full hunter's
Speaker 1: orange vest with me yesterday.
Speaker 3: You know, I had this after listening to this, I
Speaker 3: had the same thought.
Speaker 1: I mean, ninety nine percent of your turkey hunting, you are, yeah,
Speaker 1: anywhere near a turn.
Speaker 3: And that first light I should have I should have
Speaker 3: done it, that first light. Turkey vest orange orange, it's on.
Speaker 1: The it's on your back. Yeah, it's on your back.
Speaker 3: I I was getting shot at from the front. I
Speaker 3: could dodge.
Speaker 1: It and show them the orange.
Speaker 2: That's another movie matrix.
Speaker 1: No, I just you know, it's it's statistically getting shot
Speaker 1: in a honey accident. Statistically, it is not something to
Speaker 1: really be that concerned about, you know, but it but
Speaker 1: because it's it just doesn't happen that often. But boy,
Speaker 1: you don't you don't want to be the one that
Speaker 1: pulls the trigger. I was turning out with another friend
Speaker 1: of mine this year, just a few days ago. It
Speaker 1: was a different a different different friends, different Kaylen Villions,
Speaker 1: my friend Kaylyn Valians. And uh, my gun was unloaded,
Speaker 1: and I mean we were in the heat of battle
Speaker 1: at this point, but we weren't really set up on
Speaker 1: the turkey. And uh, and the way I figured it
Speaker 1: is that I didn't need my gunloaded because I wasn't
Speaker 1: really the main shooter. And he said, why isn't your gunloaded?
Speaker 1: And I basically said, if somebody gets shot, I would
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the one doing the shooting.
Speaker 1: I mean, I basically there were three of us hunting together,
Speaker 1: which is a lot, and I just was carrying around
Speaker 1: unloaded gun and it was very happy to do it.
Speaker 1: And and well I was being I said, I would
Speaker 1: rather you shoot me than me shoot you.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was the.
Speaker 1: Hook of that story.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: It took a long.
Speaker 7: Time, I thought you was going to say.
Speaker 3: And then I found file.
Speaker 1: And then I found five dollar.
Speaker 3: I was out in the woods this morning with Christy
Speaker 3: and it's one of this I think it might be
Speaker 3: the first time she's ever hunted. And we were out
Speaker 3: there at five point fifteen, so it was you know,
Speaker 3: black dark and uh, she's she's kind of trailing behind
Speaker 3: me a little bit. I'm like okay, and she goes.
Speaker 3: I think, so I'm a little out of my comfort zone.
Speaker 3: I said, well, in what way are you nervous? She
Speaker 3: goes a little bit, and I said, well, what are
Speaker 3: you nervous of? Because I listened to Jason Dinan Blood Trails?
Speaker 1: What other do we have any other questions for I'm
Speaker 1: just getting started. I don't want to hog the mind,
Speaker 1: as you.
Speaker 7: Like Civic groups or anything to tell your story.
Speaker 9: I've had a lot of people, you know, need to
Speaker 9: give your testimony in church or whatever. Well, I can
Speaker 9: kind of talk like this with a few people. If
Speaker 9: I get in front of a group or whatever, you see,
Speaker 9: I can get emotional and I go.
Speaker 2: All I can do is cry.
Speaker 9: Really, and so for thirty five years, I thought, man,
Speaker 9: I wish I could if somebody could get a blessing
Speaker 9: or be touched by it. I wished I could, but
Speaker 9: I always would say I just can't. So when Eric
Speaker 9: had mentioned this, I said, well, this may be my
Speaker 9: chance that I guess somebody may be blessed, you know.
Speaker 9: And I've had my friends have called me. And I
Speaker 9: had one guy's telling Josh that called me that was
Speaker 9: the year ahead of being skill. He said, y'all knew
Speaker 9: you got shot, but I had no idea. I mean
Speaker 9: he's called me. He's an absolutely squalling crime. Actually it's
Speaker 9: the podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And I've had multiple they several people have called
Speaker 9: me that's really, you know, been really shook up. So
Speaker 9: and that I said, hey, you know that was well
Speaker 9: worth whatever that you know, I'm proud of that.
Speaker 2: You know, that really made me happy. That somebody.
Speaker 7: You will You'll never know the impact that you had
Speaker 7: on a bunch of people.
Speaker 9: Yes, I'm an my wife, thank you for putting it
Speaker 9: out there, and you know, and you've done a great
Speaker 9: job and I think it definitely does make an impact
Speaker 9: on some people.
Speaker 2: So that's all you could ask for.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, the poor man sitting by me in the airplane.
Speaker 8: Whenever I was listening to it, I was just like,
Speaker 8: oh yeah, it was. It was kind of embarrassing. It
Speaker 8: was one of those small airplanes, so you're kind of
Speaker 8: close to the guy. And I was like, well, I
Speaker 8: don't really know what to do. But our daughter texted
Speaker 8: us and said, part it was hearing his brother talk
Speaker 8: about it.
Speaker 5: I mean that that was the part.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: It was that part.
Speaker 8: And uh, our our daughter told us that she texted
Speaker 8: in the morning and she had, I guess the podcast
Speaker 8: had just come out, and you know, I was kind
Speaker 8: of at a loss of what day of the week
Speaker 8: it was, you know, not tracking all that, and she
Speaker 8: she texted him was like very usual, and she texted
Speaker 8: and she said, wow, Dad, that podcast and she said
Speaker 8: that they stayed in the car and teared up, and
Speaker 8: so I was like, oh, yeah, I definitely want to
Speaker 8: hear that. And I just thought on the airplane, you know,
Speaker 8: I kind of knew what it was about, so I
Speaker 8: wasn't going to tear up. And then yeah, when your
Speaker 8: brother was talking, it was and you're that was that
Speaker 8: was touching.
Speaker 5: Very the whole the whole story was very touching.
Speaker 1: But I want to I want to hear from all
Speaker 1: of y'all about the part that like got you the most.
Speaker 1: And I'll start I'll be number two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've already done it, and I want to.
Speaker 1: Accentuate this a little bit more. But when I talked
Speaker 1: about your dad and the impact, the three points of
Speaker 1: impact when he screamed and you kind of came back
Speaker 1: when he prayed for the ambulance to start back up
Speaker 1: and it did. Yeah, And then hearing Ricky talk about
Speaker 1: him praying in the hospital, you could just think that
Speaker 1: that was the first time the man had ever prayed,
Speaker 1: and I I know it wasn't though. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I think about this inside of my fatherhood. It's like
Speaker 1: you want to build your life in such a way
Speaker 1: that when you're called upon that you're you're ready. And
Speaker 1: I think a father has a inncessory power that and
Speaker 1: I called it patriarchal strength. It's a word that that
Speaker 1: that that we would use the strength of a father.
Speaker 1: And I know your mother was praying too, but you
Speaker 1: guys were talking about your dad. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: a unique there's a unique power inside of a mother
Speaker 1: just the same. But I was like, this wasn't the
Speaker 1: first time that this man had prayed for his boys.
Speaker 1: And I had another thought. I bet it wasn't the
Speaker 1: first time he'd prayed for a car, was it.
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 1: Do you know if your dad I've prayed for a
Speaker 1: car before. I mean, I just I'm kind of.
Speaker 3: We prayed for my truck on the way home yesterday.
Speaker 1: No, I just uh. I mean, you guys talked so
Speaker 1: you could. You could hear it in your voice. You
Speaker 1: guys really loved your dad and had a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for him.
Speaker 2: He loved us. Yeah, Dad he was.
Speaker 9: I mean I've all told people, you know, my dad,
Speaker 9: if he would had a pointment with the president and
Speaker 9: one of us calls the dad, we need you, he
Speaker 9: had to tell the President you just want to wait
Speaker 9: on me.
Speaker 2: That's he He.
Speaker 9: Put his family above everything, you know. He he was
Speaker 9: a special fellow. If he was my dad, I think,
Speaker 9: you know, and you know he you know, his my grandfather,
Speaker 9: you know, he was an alcoholic. So my dad tried
Speaker 9: very much to break that, you know. And they came
Speaker 9: from nothing, and he just put poured everything he had
Speaker 9: into his family. That was his main objective, you know.
Speaker 9: And I always I'll tell a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 9: I hope what I do try to do something that
Speaker 9: would make him proud, you know. Even still he's been
Speaker 9: gone for fifteen years, and I still hope that he'll
Speaker 9: be pleased with what I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, his his his legacy came through in this.
Speaker 1: For me, hearing this story the way that I did,
Speaker 1: it really.
Speaker 3: Didn't he saw it in Jason Ricky And you know,
Speaker 3: I talked to Eric quite a bit, and I mean
Speaker 3: they just they talk about their grandfather or with with
Speaker 3: a lot of respect and and I feel like that
Speaker 3: has impacted who they are, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Their kids would say the same thing about them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what point, Brent would if if you cried?
Speaker 1: You don't have to tell us if you did.
Speaker 2: I'm not ashamed of it.
Speaker 1: I did several times. What what what stood out that
Speaker 1: when you're your your dad.
Speaker 2: And that's gonna be hard for me not to do
Speaker 2: it right now. So mm hmm, you never.
Speaker 7: I told somebody just the other day that you never
Speaker 7: know how much your daddy loves you until you hold
Speaker 7: one of your kids. And that's when I figured it out.
Speaker 7: And I thought about what you when you heard your daddy,
Speaker 7: and I could feel I could feel what your daddy
Speaker 7: was feeling somewhat in just the description, and I thought, boy,
Speaker 7: he may have knew how much his daddy loved him
Speaker 7: before he had kids. And that was something that got me.
Speaker 7: And it's an incredible story and uplifting story, even though
Speaker 7: I'm trying not to cry. It's there's there's so much
Speaker 7: trauma in it, but there's so much goodness that come
Speaker 7: out of it. And you are not only blessed, my friend,
Speaker 7: but you are a blessing to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: That's all I got.
Speaker 5: It's a good thing to have.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think about you saying that all those years you
Speaker 1: didn't you didn't think you could speak publicly, and then
Speaker 1: I think this is this is that yeah you know?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you have, you have and it has
Speaker 1: impacted a lot of people. I've got messages, countless messages
Speaker 1: in the last thirty eight hours, ye of Peter saying wow, ye,
Speaker 1: this story was so impacting, so thank you for real.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this today when someone comes. I
Speaker 1: don't know. The real heroes of of what we do
Speaker 1: here are the people that we interview. Yes, I mean really,
Speaker 1: anytime I have somebody that's been on of one of
Speaker 1: our episodes, I feel like I'm in the presence of
Speaker 1: a celebrity. I really do. Like when you were coming,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, Jason Dean's coming here, you know,
Speaker 1: because these stories carry power and they they're real life.
Speaker 1: They're not they're not fabricated. There. It's not a movie,
Speaker 1: it's not a book. It's not a fictitious story there.
Speaker 1: It's real. And you did all this stuff with no
Speaker 1: intention for any kind of anybody patting you on the
Speaker 1: back or anything.
Speaker 6: It's just it's just.
Speaker 1: Life is just what happened, you know. And then and
Speaker 1: then you know, the story is accentuated because of the
Speaker 1: people that were around you, your dad and your brother,
Speaker 1: and then you know John Clemen's side of it, and
Speaker 1: many people I'm sure that we didn't even hear about,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, family and what happened. But but
Speaker 1: it just a just a powerful story, Josh, what stood out?
Speaker 3: What's I think? I think one of the spots that
Speaker 3: that got me was I posted it on Instagram, that
Speaker 3: clip where Jason's laying there and and Dave says, I
Speaker 3: gotta go get help and Jason says, no, don't leave
Speaker 3: because I don't want to die alone. And I think
Speaker 3: the thing that hit me about that was the fact
Speaker 3: that I think it was the fact that Jason it
Speaker 3: shows the character of Jason to be like, Hey, I
Speaker 3: don't want to be alone. I have I'm happy to
Speaker 3: spend my last moments with the guy that killed me,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's like, I think that
Speaker 3: shows the redemptive nature of this whole thing, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? When when Jason is like, there's nothing,
Speaker 3: I'm not bitter and what what did you you told
Speaker 3: your dad? Like you told your dad either way I win.
Speaker 2: I'm a winner either way.
Speaker 9: I told Wow, at seventeen, you said they you know
Speaker 9: I could hear, you know, I was under eighteen. So Dad,
Speaker 9: when they're coming to me. Then they got me out
Speaker 9: of the amulets, immediately took me into the operating room
Speaker 9: in that trauma unit and I'm there and the nurses
Speaker 9: are you know, they're shaving my chest to prepare me
Speaker 9: for surgery. And the doctor name was doctor Brackett, and
Speaker 9: I could hear him talking to my dad and he
Speaker 9: told him said, you know this is under this situation,
Speaker 9: I want you to see your son before we sedate him,
Speaker 9: because I'm not going to sugarcoat or every I don't
Speaker 9: fee exactly how he said it, but he said he's
Speaker 9: it's bad. And he said, I need you to say
Speaker 9: And Dad was signing a consent paper for them to
Speaker 9: do that because I'm a minor. He said, you know,
Speaker 9: would you, you know, allow us to try to help him.
Speaker 9: I you know, I'd love I'll try and do all
Speaker 9: I can. And I can hear them and they're come
Speaker 9: up and on my right shoulder, and I got Dad
Speaker 9: and he come up to me and he told him,
Speaker 9: said do any whatever you can do, do anything you
Speaker 9: can do, and I wrench you up and got Dad's hated.
Speaker 9: I say, at that time, I felt like I couldn't
Speaker 9: have mashed a little ink together, you know, But I
Speaker 9: got him and I just put every ounce I had
Speaker 9: because I'm wanting my dad not to be worried, you know,
Speaker 9: And I just squeezed his hand with all the them
Speaker 9: strength I had in me, and I said, see there,
Speaker 9: I got plenty left. Don't you worry about me. I'll
Speaker 9: be a winter either way. And he just fell down
Speaker 9: right there. They had to help him. He got plumb
Speaker 9: on his knees, you know. And uh so then you know,
Speaker 9: they took him out of there, and here I am.
Speaker 1: So you know, we could have made a whole episode
Speaker 1: about how you guys handled Dave. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I hope it came through. It's like, and it did
Speaker 1: come through, but just I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: other versions of the story that wouldn't necessarily have been wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like it wouldn't have been wrong
Speaker 1: to have been really upset with the guy, and I
Speaker 1: know you probably were. But the way that y'all your
Speaker 1: dad handled him, the way that you handled him, just
Speaker 1: exemplified forgiveness and and just in a really unique way.
Speaker 9: I thought, Yeah, my dad, he'd said that at first
Speaker 9: he kind of did have some which, I mean, you.
Speaker 2: See, your child already been mad.
Speaker 9: He was said he was angry, but he said he
Speaker 9: started trying praying for me to get to be okay.
Speaker 9: He say, like, he said, nhuh, you gotta have to forgive.
Speaker 9: You gotta forgive with that bitterness that you know. And
Speaker 9: Beatty said, he just let it go right immediately because he's.
Speaker 1: Like right there, he just said that you were on
Speaker 1: the ground.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he said, he said it. This was like, you know,
Speaker 9: you can't pray for that and with the feeling you're having,
Speaker 9: and so he said that was his.
Speaker 1: Well, that's helped me remember the scripture that. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a biblical truth, like if you have unforgiveness in your.
Speaker 3: Heart, I won't hear you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hear your prayer, he said.
Speaker 2: He just came over him, he said, ain't gonna work
Speaker 2: like that. Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 8: Well yeah, And I thought the story's really redemptive about
Speaker 8: him as well. Just I don't I don't know that,
Speaker 8: you know, I heard what was on the podcast, but
Speaker 8: to me, it just seemed like even just experiencing that
Speaker 8: kind of giveness, like him saying that he wanted y'all
Speaker 8: to treat him.
Speaker 5: It'd have been a lot easier if you had been
Speaker 5: treated poorly.
Speaker 2: Dave. He was a super good yuy.
Speaker 9: I mean, he really was a lot of fun to
Speaker 9: be with, and he was really just I say, everybody,
Speaker 9: you know, some mistakes don't have that kind of consequence,
Speaker 9: but we all we all make them.
Speaker 7: So I didn't realize it until just now that I
Speaker 7: didn't finish that podcast and.
Speaker 2: That I was mad at Dave.
Speaker 7: I wasn't, and I just I guess I just now
Speaker 7: realized that we're sitting there talking about it. I didn't
Speaker 7: have a bad taste in my mouth about Dave.
Speaker 9: Well, I always said, like Dad, they asked me when
Speaker 9: I came to he kind of asked me, and I said, look,
Speaker 9: had he not helped me and been man enough to
Speaker 9: own up to it, he could have walked away and
Speaker 9: left me. They may would have never known, right, But
Speaker 9: you know that's what I told him. I said, he
Speaker 9: corrected the mistake as soon as he went to get
Speaker 9: me help.
Speaker 1: Well, they could have advocating for Dave. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you're laying there in the hospital bed.
Speaker 9: Yeah, because I mean I was you know, he you know,
Speaker 9: he is man enough to go and get the help,
Speaker 9: and you know, I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a version of the story that would
Speaker 1: have been fair to have said, you know, I forgive Dave,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna press charges and we're gonna try to
Speaker 1: get a you know, yeah, and whatever would it happened
Speaker 1: to him. I mean, I just think it's it's just
Speaker 1: so powerful that y'all were just like it's fine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we forgive him. Yeah, I mean really is it really is?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 6: I thought whenever the part where you the river where
Speaker 6: your grandma's on the other side and your dad like
Speaker 6: called you out of it almost with his yell, I
Speaker 6: thought that that was really powerful. How it was, like,
Speaker 6: I don't notice the way you described it almost I
Speaker 6: mean it felt like you had in some ways you
Speaker 6: had control of whether or not you you went across
Speaker 6: the river you didn't, but then like it was it
Speaker 6: was kind of like a between you and your dad.
Speaker 6: It was almost like he pulled you out, but you
Speaker 6: also were considering him and decided to like to pull
Speaker 6: out of it. But I thought that that was really
Speaker 6: powerful and just such a unique wild experienced to have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel like if I mean, it's kind of
Speaker 1: an unanswered question about how much control that we would have,
Speaker 1: control that we would have inside of death.
Speaker 8: I mean like yeah, I mean like I wanted to
Speaker 8: interview those medics about why were y'all yelling at him.
Speaker 5: What do you know about that?
Speaker 8: Like you know that as it's almost like they've been
Speaker 8: trained to yell and to wake people up, as if
Speaker 8: people have some say in the right right some of
Speaker 8: your will and you know, your will, I mean, that's
Speaker 8: what dies when you die.
Speaker 5: You know, that's what These are the things.
Speaker 8: It's not just your physical you know, your heart beating,
Speaker 8: but it's your mind, your will, your emotions, those are
Speaker 8: the things that go and and they're appealing to that
Speaker 8: with those with with that. I thought that was very
Speaker 8: interesting that part of it.
Speaker 3: Jason. Did you when when you had that experience, did
Speaker 3: you have the feeling like I want to cross over
Speaker 3: to see her or did it just feel like it
Speaker 3: was the natural thing that was?
Speaker 9: It just felt I guess natural. I thought I would
Speaker 9: just you know, I think more of the naturally. Nothing
Speaker 9: that per sue that I really wanted, But I just
Speaker 9: felt like that I was that close.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It makes me think about just how we were talking
Speaker 3: about your dad, Like if he hadn't built the level
Speaker 3: of relationship with you that he had, there might not
Speaker 3: have been that impetus. So like I gotta go back
Speaker 3: because Dad's calling me.
Speaker 2: You know, I would definitely say that's true. Wow, mm hmm, yeah,
Speaker 2: m hm.
Speaker 1: Hm hmm, well mm hmmm mmm. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: even know what to say. Yeah, it was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was. It was such a surprising story when we
Speaker 1: first when I first heard about it, I mean, Eric
Speaker 1: just gave me like a paragraph, you know, so there's
Speaker 1: no details. He just told me. He said, there's some
Speaker 1: interesting details. That's what he said. And so as I
Speaker 1: again Josh, Josh was the one who went to Georgia,
Speaker 1: and uh so I'm listening to it for the first
Speaker 1: time on this computer right here, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: whoa out about the experience? Wow to seventy oh gosh
Speaker 1: wearing Hunter's orange.
Speaker 2: Whoa?
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, you know, inch from the heart.
Speaker 1: And then and then the and then the ambulance breaks down.
Speaker 1: Whoa and then as ten breaks down. Yeah, the story
Speaker 1: just keeps getting better and the and then you know,
Speaker 1: the dad praise and they forgive this guy. Uh an
Speaker 1: old outlaw saves the day. I mean, I was like,
Speaker 1: this can't get any better.
Speaker 3: If this isn't Bear greasy, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 7: Isn't it through in case knives?
Speaker 3: And he was wearing boots.
Speaker 1: And Brent wants to know where those turkeys were.
Speaker 7: Yeah, asking for a friend.
Speaker 1: Oh no, go well yeah, well, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming all the way to Arkansas Global Headquarters and
Speaker 1: we we didn't get to go to the COVID store today.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well we're going to give Jason the pair
Speaker 1: to Covi's boots of your choosing. Okay, and you you
Speaker 1: can go. You can go online and check it out out.
Speaker 1: And they got a bunch of them. These are the
Speaker 1: cobs right here. I love these. These are I usually
Speaker 1: wear cowboy boots. But I got a pair of lace
Speaker 1: ups too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But no, they got all kinds of stuff. But we
Speaker 1: want to give that to you.
Speaker 9: Well, I appreciate it, but that's not necessary either. I'm
Speaker 9: just by id said before. If anybody could get a blessing,
Speaker 9: that's good enough for me.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the.
Speaker 5: Mission accomplished.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know they did.
Speaker 3: Brent.
Speaker 1: What's what's next for you?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: What are you up to?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 7: I'm still turkey hunting a little bit. I'm gonna run
Speaker 7: out to Pennsylvania hunt with the Case boys out there,
Speaker 7: and then in June heading up to Alaska, Saskatchewan I
Speaker 7: gonna chase the old black bear.
Speaker 1: Are you really?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where you're going?
Speaker 7: Yeah, up next to the Fond de Locke or Fond
Speaker 7: de Lac river, way up there. Me and Dave Garner
Speaker 7: gonna do a little movie shooting up there.
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: Will that'd be a twelve twenty six, twenty seven, twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven nice next year? I wish Clay could go.
Speaker 1: You can, for okay, get in that secon right over there,
Speaker 1: and so okay, I'm gonna do a little bear hunting,
Speaker 1: a little bear hunting, little turkey hunting.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, in that order.
Speaker 1: Bear, what's next for you?
Speaker 6: Well, we got a bear hunt coming up pretty soon,
Speaker 6: last week of May, headed up to Alaska.
Speaker 2: Oh, y'all going for ago?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 6: You'll take three weeks the old self bows playing right now?
Speaker 2: M m.
Speaker 7: That way you get a lot, yeah, exactly for the other.
Speaker 3: Well that will the arrow that you're shooting be made
Speaker 3: out of a toilet?
Speaker 6: No, we'll not, Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you need to do is kill one
Speaker 1: with a toilet mode.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know about that. I would almost feel bad.
Speaker 5: About that story. You know, someone that wants.
Speaker 6: I feel bad about an animal's life being.
Speaker 1: Taken, disspect, ultimately down. All right, Well, anything else you'd
Speaker 1: like to say, Jason, We're I feel like we're we're
Speaker 1: leaving a lot on the table. But we we talked,
Speaker 1: we talked, I mean, we talked.
Speaker 2: About a lot we did. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I just shout out to the family back in Hell
Speaker 1: and Georgia.
Speaker 5: Shout out to the story.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Eric, Eric, Yeah, thankful for Tammy and the girls
Speaker 9: they helping with jay Lee where I could come and
Speaker 9: thankful for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 3: Folks want to buy a car where they need to go.
Speaker 10: Make come see me, George, your car, Talk to Jason,
Speaker 10: come see me.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, keep the wild places wild, because that's where the
Speaker 1: bears live.
Speaker 2: Shure h