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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette

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Speaker 1: Sitting across from me as always a senior writer, Jonathan Strickland,

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Speaker 1: Hey there, all right. So, uh, we have had a

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Speaker 1: or non famous famous people there are in tech. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who was incredibly influential in technology.

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Speaker 1: In fact, without him, our technological landscape would be totally

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Speaker 1: this is of course, the the late great Dennis Ritchie

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Speaker 1: death was somewhat eclipsed by Steve Jobs's death because Steve

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Speaker 1: Very true, very true. And as you say, Dennis Ritchie

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Speaker 1: Steve had a public face that's right, very very well put.

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Speaker 1: think spiritually if you will again to use that UM

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Speaker 1: the ideas that uh Richie and and a lot of

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Speaker 1: basically a lot of the ideas that they came up with,

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Speaker 1: like this, UM, you know, sort of unspoken tenants. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they kind of stuck around. I think people have gone,

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Speaker 1: you know what, these guys had something, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: they've inspired a lot of people, especially people like Dennis Richie,

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Speaker 1: the functionality through the C programming language. And Richie has

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Speaker 1: been recognized multiple times with awards and and various UH accolades.

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Speaker 1: I've got a list of them if you would like

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Speaker 1: to hear some of them. Well, that's the funny thing is.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you might wonder why if this

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Speaker 1: might say, well, he's done a lot for computing and

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Speaker 1: he's really influenced people all over the world. Why have

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Speaker 1: sort of he was sort of a private guy. He

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Speaker 1: to show off what he'd done. He wanted to improve

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Speaker 1: they did. He was recognized you as you say, by

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Speaker 1: by many people and got some very prestigious awards. In three,

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Speaker 1: he received, along with Thompson, the Touring Award for their

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Speaker 1: work with operating systems, so of course named after Alan Turing.

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Speaker 1: We we've done a full podcast about him as well.

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Speaker 1: You should listen to that one. It's an interesting story. Um.

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Speaker 1: In nine, he received the Richard W. Hemming Medal along

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Speaker 1: with Thompson from my favorite organization in the world, just

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Speaker 1: for the way I get to say it's acronym uh

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Speaker 1: Y or I E. I never get tired of that.

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Speaker 1: I know all of you do. In Richie and Thompson

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Speaker 1: were made fellows of the Computer History Museum, which I

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Speaker 1: still want to go to. I have yet to make

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Speaker 1: it out to two Silicon Valley to check it out. UM.

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Speaker 1: the Japan Prize for Information and Communications. So he's been

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Speaker 1: think is fairly That's that's fair to say. It's not like,

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Speaker 1: it's not like they are thrust into the public eye

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Speaker 1: like an Apple keynote always is. UM. But yes, it

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Speaker 1: is very clear that Richie played a pivotal role really

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Speaker 1: to the development of computer science in in our modern age,

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Speaker 1: and that without his work it would be very, very

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Speaker 1: we're used to. It might you know, it's not to

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Speaker 1: say that something else wouldn't have come along, but there's

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Speaker 1: no way of knowing what that would have been. So um,

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Speaker 1: our hat is off to you, Mr Richie. Our world

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Speaker 1: is better for you having worked in it. And so

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we took this time to really recognize

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Speaker 1: him and and talk about his life and his work,

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Speaker 1: especially to you guys out there who may have not

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Speaker 1: been familiar with him. Um. And if you're interested in programming,

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Speaker 1: if you want to get into it. And the book

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Speaker 1: texts that you have to read, and it's and every

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Speaker 1: single programmer I've ever taught to has praised it for

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Speaker 1: its readability, saying that it's actually, for a book about

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Speaker 1: programming languages, very easy to read. Now, your mileage may

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Speaker 1: vary because some of us, even for a very easy

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Speaker 1: book of programming languages, start to think about puppies. Five

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Speaker 1: might be his initials, all right, So that wraps up

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