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Speaker 1: I'm Bryce Able. Have you ever wondered if there's a

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Speaker 2: I'm Brent Friedman, and you are listening to sound, light

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Speaker 1: In this episode, we'll be talking about the Flying Saucer

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Speaker 2: We're also going to reveal the origins of the unholy

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Speaker 1: It seems like Hollywood watched nineteen forty seven's coming out

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Speaker 1: Pentagon ultimately provided just limited assistance through the National Guard.

435
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: And the reason they did this, it's a great quote.

436
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: They said, in the event of an alien invasion, the

437
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: armed services would indeed defend the nation. So I guess

438
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: that was the point. Yes, it's a UFO movie. There

439
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: are flying saucers, there's an alien, there's a threat of

440
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: destroying mankind, but we would be there on the job

441
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 1: to fight that. Maybe most relevant of all to this

442
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: whole thing, the Pentagon actually did review the script and

443
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: even though they had nixed this based on that, it

444
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: turns out that they went to Fort Mead, which was

445
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: more of a local location, and they got jeeps and

446
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: military hardware, so there was some cooperation on this. So

447
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: that is that now I got to tell you there's

448
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: you start, you fall in the rabbit hole of this thing,

449
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: and you start to say, okay, I want to know

450
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: more about this film, and you start to see things

451
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: that are that you didn't know before. I wanted to

452
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: point out a couple of things. This is an important film.

453
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: It was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation,

454
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: so people hundreds of years from now, if we make

455
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: it that long, are going to be able to watch it.

456
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: It was not an original piece, though again I think

457
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: that that's kind of important. It wasn't like Hollywood noticed

458
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: that in nineteen forty seven there was Roswell and then

459
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: there was the Kenneth Arnold thing and then said let's

460
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: get some of our writers on the studio to come

461
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: up with a movie. That's not really what happened. Robert Wise,

462
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: who you mentioned, was the producer. He went looking through

463
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of short stories. He found one from a

464
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: nineteen forty short story called Farewell to the Master by

465
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: Harry Bates. So that's the one that the film was

466
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: based on. So that goes back to before we entered

467
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: World War Two, and I found that kind of intriguing.

468
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: I also remember an apropos of nothing, maybe being the

469
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: stoner up in the middle of the night. But in college,

470
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: Rango Starr released a film where it's called good Night Vienna,

471
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: and he's standing there with Gort I believe, coming out

472
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: of that ship and the ship this kind of is

473
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: cool though. This one is a little piece of cool

474
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: sandwich that I found. The production design of the film,

475
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: it turns out, consulted Frank Lloyd Right to come up

476
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: with the perfect minimal semless design of Clato saucer, and

477
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: he quoted I guess I don't see what source I

478
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: add for this, but it's a quote from Frank Lloyd

479
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: Right quote to imitate an experimental substance that I have

480
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: heard about, which acts like living tissue. If cut, the

481
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: rift would appear like a wound, leaving a continuous surface

482
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: with no scar. Well, people are talking about biologics right now,

483
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: right David Grush it's his favorite new word, biologics. I've

484
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: always said, well, do you mean bodies or do you

485
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: mean biologics? What is a biologic? Well, a biologic could

486
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: be a craft that could heal itself. That would be biologic.

487
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: Well, I love that. Frank Lloyd Wright said that he's

488
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: heard about. Yeah from who where? Yeah?

489
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: I mean maybe there's some Frank Lloyd Wright historian listening

490
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: to us right now. By all means, please let us

491
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: know and we'll pass that on. And of course I'm

492
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 1: going to let you say it.

493
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: You'll probably know.

494
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: I want you to give us your great thespian You

495
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: have thespian training, didn't you. Weren't you in a high

496
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: school play or something?

497
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: Or I was in a high school play?

498
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well then I'm going to let you say

499
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: there's some thesbian. The three words that we all remember

500
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: from that film.

501
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: The three words are klattu, barada, nickto. There you go.

502
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: Now I heard it pronounce nickto, so I don't know.

503
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: It could be well, that was East Coast I was.

504
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: I love that And people have been trying to figure

505
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: out what exactly that means. First of all, the writer

506
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: Edmund North wrote all the alien stuff. He came up

507
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: with that on his own, and so they pulled all

508
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: those things out and some linguists tried to come up

509
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: with what did he actually say, and based on his

510
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: best guess, it was I die.

511
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: Repair me, do not retaliate. Wow, that's profound. So on

512
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: that topic. If you remember, we we took on the

513
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: task of trying to create an alien language for our

514
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: hive in dark Skies, and we farmed that out. We

515
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: had some expert linguist put together a whole vocabulary and alphabet,

516
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: and we had our own saying in dark guys, do

517
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: you remember that?

518
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: Oh, I I'll try this as you.

519
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: Turned to be at thesbian.

520
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: Clarsu cr Is that right?

521
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: No?

522
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even come close. No, take two, God, I

523
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: don't have a take too.

524
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to do it.

525
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: I should have done claw tu barada nicktough because at

526
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: least could have got through all right, go go Clarcie,

527
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: Sue are okay?

528
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: All right?

529
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: You just wasn't that far off. No, you reverse some words,

530
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: but it is. It's fantastic though, because we literally hired

531
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: this UCLA guy and he gave us like forty pages

532
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: of language for the hive.

533
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fantastic.

534
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure that guy has a real job and had

535
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: a real job where he was a linguist, and so

536
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: that was just, you know, fun for him. I mean

537
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: think about that. You get the somebody calls you up

538
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: and goes, hey, we're Hollywood producers. We got a little

539
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: money in the budget. We want you to create an

540
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: alien language. Can we have it by tuesday?

541
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly? What a job, What a great job. Well,

542
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: let's do this. Let's not spend too much time on

543
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: the remake from two thousand and eight with Keanu Reeves.

544
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: I don't think either of us were a huge fan

545
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: of it. I think we both prefer the original.

546
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: But there are a couple I'm going to let you

547
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: go on, but no, I prefer the remake. But go ahead,

548
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: Oh you prefer the remake?

549
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: I do? I do? I do prefer the remake.

550
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's officially our first disagreement.

551
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: Well we're allowed.

552
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: See that makes the show interesting. It's like, what are

553
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: these guys going to fight about?

554
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: Nick? So we love that, all right. The couple things

555
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: that I found interesting about the remake where there's a

556
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: large object that's kind of moving towards the Earth, which

557
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: in today's parlance, it evokes the whole interstellar commet the

558
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: three I Atlas, but this one actually just stops and

559
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: then descends down onto Manhattan. So there's the whole period

560
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: in which people are seeing this object slowly move towards

561
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: Earth and then then it finally descends, but it just

562
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: made me think of that the three I Atlas. And

563
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: then secondarily, when Klatt two Keanu reeves in this movie

564
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: starts to wander the earth and look for evidence that

565
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: humans should be saved. What does he meet. He meets

566
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: another alien, a character named mister Wu who's been living

567
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: on Earth for some time, which kind of promotes the

568
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: whole idea of they walk among us. And he finds

569
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: mister Wu to say that humans are quite troubling, but

570
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: he still loves them.

571
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: I have to say, that's one of my favorite scenes

572
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: in that movie. You know, it's in a coffee shop

573
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: and he just ends up sitting down with this guy,

574
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: this Clawtu, and he starts speaking in Chinese to this guy. Listen,

575
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I understand that the nineteen fifty one

576
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: The Day the Earth Stood Still is a classic. I'm

577
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: glad I've seen it a few times. I will tell

578
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: other people to watch it, and people who are listening

579
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: should probably see it to complete their film edge, et cetera.

580
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: And it is interesting because there were more sort of

581
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: things behind the scenes about seeking cooperation or whatever, and

582
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: the times were supercharged in nineteen fifty one, with flying

583
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: saucers being reported every five seconds. What I loved about it, though,

584
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: was just the idea that they really leaned heavily at

585
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: the beginning into Okay, something has just landed in Central Park, right,

586
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: so people are and it's about to land, and so

587
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: people started getting rousted in the middle of the night

588
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: and brought into this secret facility where they actually bring

589
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: the alien. And for those of you who don't know,

590
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: it is Keanu Reeves who plays Klatu in the remake,

591
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: and I think he does a really interesting job. I mean,

592
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: it's probably easy to make fun of him, it's Keanu,

593
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: but I liked him.

594
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: I liked him.

595
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: And I also liked Kathy Bates as the Secretary of

596
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: Defense because she's kind of a no nonsense type and

597
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: she's willing to say, look, maybe you are not hostile,

598
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen and until then, we're going to

599
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: treat you in a hostile way, which seems to be

600
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: the prevailing sense of some of these people who have

601
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: been whistleblowers or whatever. Lou Elizondo comes to mind because

602
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: he has always basically said, listen, I don't know exactly

603
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: what they want, or they don't want, but Prudence says,

604
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: we got, we got to prepare for the worst, which

605
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: is kind of Kathy Bates's point of view. And it's also,

606
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: let's face it, it's they spent a lot of money

607
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: on it. They made it come alive in a way

608
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: that they could only suggest in nineteen fifty one. The

609
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one is a little, a little goofy and

610
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: all that. But you know, they're both, they're both good. Yeah, yeah,

611
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: I just I think mostly because I remember, I guess

612
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: fondly now as I'm older, how scared I was of

613
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: the original, And you know, so when I saw the

614
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: remake years later, it was interesting, but it didn't have

615
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: that visceral response.

616
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: For me, right that I cling to. You know, things

617
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: that had such an impact on you when you were

618
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: a kid you remember more acutely. I think. The other

619
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: thing is we move on from these movies, going back

620
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: to the original. It was actually then only a year later,

621
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty two, when there actually was a big

622
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: UFO event, not in New York City but in Washington,

623
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: d C. Where the movie takes place. Yes, so weird, yeah,

624
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: very And so you know, for those people who don't remember,

625
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: what is considered to be the big UFO flap of

626
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty two in DC. Let me just bring you

627
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: up to speed. This is a case of life imitating

628
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: art a little bit. So back in fifty two, there

629
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: were multiple sightings of flying objects over the US Capitol

630
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: and the White House during two consecutive weekends. It was

631
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: July nineteenth through twentieth and the twenty sixth through the

632
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: twenty seventh. These were glowing orbs that outran military jets

633
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: that were dispatched to go try and investigate them. It

634
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: sparked a huge national frenzy, and the reports came from

635
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: credible observers, not to mention those pilots and all of

636
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: this was captured, this inexplicable phenomenon on radar. So the

637
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: Air Force was of course forced to hold the press

638
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: conference to quell the hysteria. Now they downplayed the events,

639
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: citing temperature inversion, which you know it's up. There was

640
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: swamp gas, a theory that was completely rejected by the

641
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: Weather Bureau. So this event is actually supposed to be

642
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: what spurred the creation of Project Blue Book, which was

643
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: the Air Force official investigation into UFOs. Was just a

644
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: few months later in nineteen fifty two. But also I

645
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: want to point out something else that's interesting when you

646
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: start to connect the dots, when you go back and

647
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: look at history, it's pretty fascinating. Also at this exact

648
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: same time was the passing of the Patent Act of

649
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty two. It was the first comprehensive overhaul of

650
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: the US patent loss in eighteen seventy, and among other things,

651
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: the change redefined patentable subject matter to cover anything under

652
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: the sun made by man. Of course, the nineteen fifty

653
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: one I think it was called the Invention Secrecy Act,

654
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: had already allowed the government to suppress patents deemed vital

655
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: to national security. But anything made by man is a

656
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 2: very interesting nuance. I mean, who else on earth would

657
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: be inventing things? Now, maybe it's just a coincidence, but

658
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: you know what they say when you're investigating crime and corruption,

659
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: follow the money, and clearly patents are all about creating

660
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: a legal monopoly, turning inventions into tangible assets and long

661
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: term revenue stream. So all of this happened at the

662
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: same time. But nothing to see here, folks, just a

663
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: big coincidence.

664
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: And of course there's long history of suppressed patents, and

665
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: there are even a group of patents. My old buddy

666
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: Coltheart wrote a chapter about these patents that were being

667
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: suppressed in his book In Plain Sight. The DC thing

668
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: is fascinating because first it happens over these two weekends.

669
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: So think about you. You see this one weekend and

670
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: everybody's freaking out, and I want to point out something.

671
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: People were freaking out. It was not so pressed. It

672
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: was a public thing that happened. It actually the Democratic

673
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: National Convention was being held and it was front page news.

674
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: But what happened in Washington, d C. Was so outrageous

675
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: it threw the Democratic Convention coverage off the front page

676
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: or below the fold. I guess is how you would

677
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: put it. I love the DC case because it's these

678
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: two weekends in a row. And think about that if

679
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: that happened today, a couple of weekends in a row,

680
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: things are flying around over the nation's capital. We're scrambling

681
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: jets that can't catch them. They're on radar man. And

682
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: it was a big, big deal.

683
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: Back then. It wasn't suppressed.

684
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: The Democratic National Convention was on it was on the

685
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: front page every day. And then along comes the UFO flap.

686
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: Knocks it down below the fold. Kind of an important thing.

687
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, it does coincide with the beginning of Project

688
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Blue Book in nineteen fifty two. Something else happened in

689
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two in addition to the patent thing you

690
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: just brought up. In November of fifty two, alleged is

691
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: when the new president Dwight Eisenhower gets a briefing in Washington,

692
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: DC about Majesty twelve. And there's that document that people

693
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: have debated whether it's real or it's not real increasingly

694
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: with what we know. If it's not real, it's still accurate,

695
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting. Why would you create a

696
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: non real document that has a lot of things that

697
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: are very accurate And the answer might be, well, something's

698
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: in it probably aren't accurate and they're being snuck in

699
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: as disinformation. This is a very interesting time and when

700
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: this is all going down, there are interesting films and

701
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: then there are other films. I mentioned The Man from

702
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: Planet X, but there's also Flash Gordon and Space Patrol

703
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: out that year, Tom Corbett, Space Cadet, you know, Zombies

704
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: of the Stratosphere. So there's always this sort of nonsense

705
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 1: factor that's going on with a Hollywood product, but every

706
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: so often there's the day the er stood still or

707
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: the thing from outer space, that kind of thing. But

708
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: the big Magilla that happens next is also happening in

709
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: a year that it's very important. So the first thing

710
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: I want to do is, let's talk about this movie.

711
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: We're going to do a whole episode about this in

712
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: the future, but right now, let's just land lightly on

713
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: the War of the World's from nineteen fifty three.

714
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean the great thing about War of

715
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: the World's is it goes back again to our old

716
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: friend HG. Wells, who we talked about in the episode five,

717
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: who wrote the original story. And I'm trying to remember

718
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: when that was actually written. Do do you have the

719
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: date on where the World's.

720
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: Be Yeah, the story is eighteen ninety seven, I believe,

721
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: and then and then nineteen thirty eight of course Orson

722
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: Wells No Relation radio show.

723
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so think about that, like a story was written

724
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: in the late nineteenth century and then it gets kind

725
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: of immortalized into the public consciousness when Orson Wells does

726
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 2: a radio play of it presents it as real people

727
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: are hearing what they believe is an alien invasion in

728
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: thirty eight, before Roswell has happened and captured people's imagination,

729
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: before people have heard of flying saucers. He's creating aliens

730
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: landing on Earth, and it sets off a panic to

731
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: some degree, and that becomes the story that gets made

732
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: into movies all the way into the twenty first century.

733
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were going to call the episode the three

734
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: century franchise because it's in the eighteen hundreds, of nineteen hundreds,

735
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: in the two thousands. Yeah, well, okay, that nineteen thirty

736
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: eight Orson Wells broadcast, which is so famous for causing panic.

737
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: People debate that today. You can get some people saying, well,

738
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: it didn't cause that much panic and it was only

739
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: a few people that panicked and all that and all that.

740
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: Other people debate that. But I will tell you a

741
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: story that is so relevant to nineteen fifty two and

742
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: all the things we just talked about. In nineteen forty nine,

743
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: down in Ecuador, they did broadcast The War of the Worlds.

744
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: So this is nineteen forty nine, two years after Kenneth Arnold,

745
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: two years after Roswell, three years before the Washington DC

746
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: see over flights and all the other stuff we just

747
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: talked about. So they broadcast this on February twelfth, nineteen

748
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: forty nine, and just like in nineteen thirty eight in

749
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: the US, the radio broadcast had people freaking the hell

750
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: out all right, only it was worse than our experience.

751
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: It couldn't be all written off because this broadcast in

752
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: Ecuador led to riots. There were riots in the street

753
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: on the night of this broadcast and get this, twenty

754
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: people died.

755
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

756
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: So you could sort of say people in the know

757
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: around that time would have had this in their minds

758
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: as they were thinking about public policy and also the

759
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: idea about whether people would panic or whether a piece

760
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: of entertainment, a film or a TV series could cause

761
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: people to panic. And all they had to do was

762
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: look at Ecuador and go, well, that didn't look good.

763
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: So you can kind of understand the mindset at that time,

764
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: which sort of takes this to where we want to

765
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: be right now. Because Brent, you brought up earlier the

766
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: unholy alliance, and the unholy alliance is really Hollywood and

767
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: UFOs and the government or secrecy. And what's so fascinating

768
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: about that is that if you try to look at

769
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: as we have been doing, is we've been doing this

770
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: research for this project we're doing. You start to look

771
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: into the history of things and you say, well, the

772
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: stuff that we just reported first in this episode was

773
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, people going to the government saying, hey, can

774
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: we borrow some tanks. It's that kind of cooperation. Where

775
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: did it become a little more nefarious, that's the question,

776
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: And I think we actually have a date. The date

777
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: where it started to get more nefarious was January fourteenth,

778
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three.

779
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: You're talking about the Robertson Panel.

780
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: Yes, I am, because I think that is the original

781
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: sin of this whatever's going on right now.

782
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: Well, I had not heard about the Robertson Panel until

783
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: we started doing research for this, and it's incredibly fascinating because,

784
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: like you said, this is the inflection point where it

785
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: feels like if there is an unholy alliance. It wasn't theoretical,

786
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: it was actually formalized through the results of this panel.

787
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: Just to bring everybody up to speed, because I really

788
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: do think we need to like triply underline this thing.

789
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: The Robertson Panel was convened as a working group by

790
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency in January fourteenth created

791
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: a working group to look into it over a four

792
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: day period, and it was in specific response to those

793
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: sightings that you were talking about in Washington, DC, and

794
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: there were more sightings happening all the time anyway. Robertson,

795
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: by the way, refers to a man named Howard Percy Robertson.

796
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: He was a physicist. He was consulting for the CIA.

797
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: He was the director of the Defense Department Weapons Evaluation Group.

798
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: Don't know necessarily why that sounds like a big title.

799
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: And they instructed him to assemble a group of prominent

800
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: scientists to review all of the Air Force files going

801
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: back to Project Sign, Project Grudge, and then the one

802
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: that was just taking off them, Project Bluebook. And I

803
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: don't have the names in front of me, and they're

804
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: not really important right now. But the panel included a physicist,

805
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: a radar expert, rocketry expert, some other Air Force folks,

806
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: and an astronomer. And the group did spend four days,

807
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: taking some long lunch breaks, but in between they interspersed

808
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: some UFO reports, they watched films of anomalous objects, and

809
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: they had a lot of discussions about seeking possible explanations

810
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: for the phenomena. Here's what I find interesting about the

811
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: Robertson panel, and I've always found it interesting they sort

812
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: of issue a conclusion that there's really nothing to see here,

813
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: that these things that people are seeing aren't real. But

814
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: because people might make mistakes or the Russians might weaponize

815
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: our belief in flying saucers against us, they decided to

816
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: come up with some recommendations.

817
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: An interesting absolutely.

818
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: Dance that they're doing there, And this is the part

819
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: where we start to say, wow, this is the trailhead

820
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: for what was to come and even what happened to

821
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: you and me in the nineties. In the final recommendation,

822
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: it states that they recommend quote, a broad educational program

823
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: should be put into place to strip the unidentified flying

824
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: objects of the special status they have been given and

825
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired. So they're

826
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: not looking into it. You know, they're not trying to

827
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: strip them of special status because they're real and they

828
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: got to hide it. According to these guys, it's just because,

829
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: oh it could be a problem, but we we can't

830
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: let it become a bigger problem.

831
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely fascinating. And I think another thing to point

832
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: out is that the only reason that we know about

833
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: what was done in the Robertson panel is because apparently

834
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 2: Captain Edward Rupphelt, then head of the Project Blue Book,

835
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: revealed the existence of the secret Pan in his nineteen

836
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: fifty six book. By the way, I think it was

837
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 2: Rupepelt who actually changed the terminology from flying Saucers to UFOs.

838
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: He certainly did. I always thought he should have a

839
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: plaque somewhere. It's just unfair. Well, first of all, he

840
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: ran Blue Book for a while, and it was fascinating

841
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: that the guy that ran Bluebook actually wrote a book

842
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: that I've got on my shelf back there and have

843
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: read where he lays out cases after cases after cases

844
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: that are really good and doesn't say that he's got

845
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: a good explanation for them. So he was in favor

846
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: of really getting into this discussion. And then on the

847
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: final version of his book, which was released years after

848
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 1: that nineteen fifty six version, he bought it all back,

849
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: he puts a final chapter appended on where he says, oh,

850
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: nothing's real about this, and don't worry about it. So

851
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: somebody got to him obviously for that.

852
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: Obviously.

853
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this takes us into what we're going to

854
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: do in our next episode, because there's so much stuff here,

855
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: just so much stuff that we decided let's split it

856
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: into a couple of conversations into just one where we

857
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: race like crazy. And here's the part that is going

858
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: to inspire us in this next episode. They say that

859
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: Hollywood should be used to minimize UFOs and they recommend

860
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: starting with Disney. Yes, they're going to start with Disney.

861
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: They even thought cartoons would be a good way for

862
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: this educational campaign. So basically, while they were saying we

863
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: need to work with Hollywood to not let this thing

864
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: get out of hand, their first place to think about

865
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: was Disney. And all I can say, folks, is there

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Speaker 1: are some Disney stories that'll be a fast pass to

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Speaker 1: the Magic Kingdom for you in our next episode.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I think that is a great tee up

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Speaker 2: for something that I'd like to leave everybody with, which

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Speaker 2: is as Bryce mentioned earlier, there were some campy, silly

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Speaker 2: movies made in the fifties, but one of the things

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Speaker 2: that happened post to the Robertson panel was there was

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Speaker 2: an obvious tone shift and you started to see more

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Speaker 2: movies that became even more mocking r They weren't just

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Speaker 2: because they had low budgets and everything looked silly. They

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Speaker 2: were deliberately making fun of aliens and UFOs to the

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Speaker 2: point where you had movies Abbott and Costello Encounter Aliens,

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Speaker 2: Catwomen of the Moon, plus the absurd Devil Girl from Mars,

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Speaker 2: Johnny Jupiter, there was a Jerry Lewis alien movie, all

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Speaker 2: of which, if you think about it, what was the

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Speaker 2: point of that? I think the point was pretty clearly

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Speaker 2: to change the narrative and to take genuine curiosity and

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Speaker 2: maybe even fear that the public had and turn it

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Speaker 2: into over the top sensationalism, basically creating the cultural permission structure,

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Speaker 2: if you will, to mock and stigmatize UFO reports and abductees.

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Speaker 2: And really that's the world that we lived in going forward, right.

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Speaker 2: This is what you always hear that people sit on

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Speaker 2: their stories and their reports and their experiences because they

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Speaker 2: didn't want to be made fun of, they didn't want

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Speaker 2: to be marginalized. And I think this was an intentional

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Speaker 2: decision made starting with the Robertson panel, to use Hollywood

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Speaker 2: at that time absolutely for disinformation.

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Speaker 1: The question, though, raised by everything you just said, is

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Speaker 1: did Hollywood start making sillier movies because somebody told them

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Speaker 1: to or did they have another reason. Did Hollywood think,

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Speaker 1: for example, you know, the whole Saucer thing is played

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Speaker 1: out time for something different. We are going to spend

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Speaker 1: this next episode wrapping up the fifties, but I will

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Speaker 1: say this, at the end of the fifties there was

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Speaker 1: definitely a pivot. The first big Saucer movie, if you will,

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Speaker 1: of the sixties was nineteen sixty and it was a

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Speaker 1: Visit to a Small Planet with Jerry Lewis playing the alien. Well,

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Speaker 1: you make Jerry Lewis the alien, you're not going to

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Speaker 1: get people going Geysha'm I'm really interested in non human

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Speaker 1: intelligence because you're not getting it from Jerry Lewis for sure.

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Speaker 1: And that's where they also did Santa Claus versus the

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Speaker 1: Martians and Robinson Crusoe on Mars and things like that.

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Speaker 1: So there were a lot of them that just made

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Speaker 1: it very clear this isn't about something real, This is

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Speaker 1: about just something silly and we're just having fun with it.

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Speaker 2: So we'll be.

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Speaker 1: Getting into that. The other thing we're going to get

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Speaker 1: into in the next episode, just to give a highlight,

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Speaker 1: is there is an actual case of censorship that happened

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Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty eight with Donald Keho where CBS pulled

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Speaker 1: the plug on him during a live broadcast. So we'll

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Speaker 1: be talking about that, and Brent, I've even got a

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Speaker 1: personal story to talk about because it turns out that

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Speaker 1: my mentor, Bill Asher, directed one of these fifties films.

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Speaker 1: He was the guy that he also directed Beach Blanket, Bingo,

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Speaker 1: right and that kind of movie. But he got hired

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Speaker 1: to direct the twenty Seventh Day and it's a big

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Speaker 1: interest flying Saucer movie. Bill's last television series that he

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Speaker 1: ever worked on. He created Bewitched, things like that, and

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Speaker 1: he directed I Love Lucy, his last show ever in

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Speaker 1: his career. Was my first show in my career, and

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Speaker 1: I got a chance to hear from Bill about that movie.

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Speaker 1: He was part of the rat pack, you know, he

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Speaker 1: was the rat pack guy that never appeared on camera.

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Speaker 1: He was the guy off to the side. Anyway, more

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Speaker 1: on that. So we've got some insider kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's a fascinating story. You can't get too much of it,

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Speaker 1: but we'll try.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so listen, everybody, Thanks for being with

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Speaker 1: us this time. Brent, great as always, and I'll see

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Speaker 1: you for the next episode See Us in Sound, Light

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Speaker 1: and Frequency is an iHeart podcast produced by Stellar Productions.

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Speaker 1: It's executive produced by Nick Johnson and For Steller Jackie's Abel.

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Speaker 1: Our show's music was written by Anna Stumf and Hamilton Lighthouser,

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Speaker 1: and Your hosts and executive producers are Brice Abel, That's

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Speaker 1: Me and Brent Friedman Watch the Guys.