1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast starts no. Welcome back to 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: another edition of the Round the League Podcast. My name 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: is Dan hans Sim joined by a room filled with 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: some heroes, Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal. Boys, remember when 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: you almost got rid of What Up Boys? Listen? That 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: was one of those instances where you have to stay 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: out of your own way and you look back on 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: it and you say, thank God. I look back at 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: it and as one of the best couple of shows 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: that we've ever had without it. I loved I loved one. 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: I was anti What Up Boys. I'm gonna say it. 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: I don't like that, as was I. And then as 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, as the I listened to the people, and 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: the people spoke out and they said, we love What 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Up Boys, So we kept it. Dana showed up in 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: a fire department of New York baseball hat, which is 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: an automatic way to walk around into any story like, 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: oh this guy, he's a good guy. I get discounts 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: when I wear this hat. I found it in my 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: closet and I must have picked it up at some 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: point when I was living in New York Post nine eleven, 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: where this type of powerphernali It was just like flying 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: around and sold on street corners, and I needed a 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: hat for whatever reason in timely because I don't know 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: if you knew we're headed there. You're going on Saturday, 26 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Mark and I and Chris are headed there on Sunday. Yes, 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: we are the New Jersey New York super Bowl. We 28 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: got the Pro Bowl coming this week. Kevin Patricks in Hawaii. 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is big. Not since the 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: New York New Jersey Metro stars Zach Goldman the gold 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: standard another reference. Has New York and New Jersey been 32 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: put together at such a level with the big old 33 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: slash true story. And by the way, so everybody knows, 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: we will be doing three podcasts when we are in 35 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: New York. We'll be doing it Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday. 36 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: Really the same schedule, will keep it. That'll be a 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: late night pot on Sunday. It'll be we have some 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: logistics of things to work out, but we'll get it done. Alright, great, alright, 39 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: so the super Bowl is less than two weeks away. Uh, 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: we will get into some super Bowl talk, including a 41 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna bring back a game that was introduced about 42 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: I don't know a month and a half ago. Were 43 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: gonna roll it back. We are also going to talk 44 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: to Kevin Patra, who is coming at you from Hawaii 45 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: pro Bowl style. And I made a reference that it 46 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: was lost in translation. Was that what I had in 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: mind when I thought about Patra sitting in a sleepy 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: bar in a luxury Right now, I'm actually thinking of 49 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: what is that Sandler movie Punch Drunk Love? That feels 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: much more Uh Patra to me than does an age 51 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: wise and Bill Murray. Patras, like, you know, he's young 52 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: in the world. He's young, he has some rage within him, 53 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: just like Sandler's character having that. So we will talk 54 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: to Patra from Hawaii and we'll talk some Pro Bowl. 55 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: We're also gonna get on the phone with Chris Westling. 56 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: But let's start as we always do in our midweek 57 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: podcast with the headline Roger Goodell visit visited our building 58 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: on Monday. We were told to clean up our desks 59 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: and be ready for the commission, be dressed up nicely. 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: He never came to the office and to our newsroom marks, 61 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: So you you did not miss Roger Goodell? Yeah, yeah, 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: I left mid day and I figured, you know, with 63 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: the way things work, probably the minute I'm walking in 64 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: my cars. The minute the door opens and with trumpets blaring, 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: incomes the commissioner. But two hours later I text you 66 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: and you're still sitting in your seat. No sign up, 67 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: but you've got to break out your slacks for the 68 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: first time since I've Yeah, it was dire. I learned 69 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: again I do not fit into most of my pants 70 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: the way that I know we need to. We need 71 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: to button down with our fitness regime right after the 72 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But anyway, the news of this is Roger 73 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: Goodell was at NFL Network studio speaking with our own 74 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: Rich Eyes and broke a little bit of news. He 75 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: said that it is, I guess, at least being discussed. 76 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: There is a theory being discussed that extra points could 77 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: be abolished. Mark Sessler, you wrote the post on this. 78 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: I was hoping you could explain to me exactly what 79 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: Rock said. I guess the proposal that they're just considering 80 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: and it will go to the competition committee at some point, 81 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: is a plan where a touchdown would be seven points 82 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: automatically uh, and then a team could decide, look, either 83 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna go for a two point conversion and if 84 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: we get it, like any team. Good today you get 85 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: eight and if you aren't successful, you finished with six. 86 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: So it's it's just what they're saying is that extra points, 87 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: which over the last ten years have a success rate 88 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: of like nine, are unnecessary. He used the words that 89 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: it's just become an unnecessary Uh, it's not dramatic for 90 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: the fans, and they're trying to make it more exciting. 91 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: I like it. But one thing I wish I had 92 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: added to the post that I kind of wasn't thinking 93 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: about is the fantasy implications. M hmm. Interesting, that is 94 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: not something I considered. You're right, it would make kickers 95 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: a little less valuable, but you never really draft kick 96 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: ers anyways. It would really and it's not so it's 97 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: not gonna it would hurt teams kickers that score a 98 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: lot of touchdowns. That's fair strategy wise. It doesn't change 99 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: things too much, though I don't know. I think it's 100 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: a good idea because extra points have become an afterthought. 101 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: They are so damnascheck has a theory which I like. 102 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: Damnaschick is a lot of good theories involving field goals, 103 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: extra points, uprights, and but I think the one where 104 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: all kickers need to go straight ahead again, bring that 105 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: back with the lead toe. That's a good one, but 106 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: that's never gonna happen. It's always gonna be the soccer 107 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: style kickers. So yeah, wipe it out, give us a 108 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: seven points, and then take a shot at it people. 109 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: And I've heard some conversation how this will change the 110 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: strategy because now you'd be taking a point off the 111 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: board if you go for two, And I feel like 112 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: that's not really thinking through the problem because it really 113 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: just sets up a situation that's the exact same as now, 114 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: except you're not wasting your time with the extra point. 115 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: You're either are gonna have six or you're gonna have eight. 116 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: And I don't think people are gonna go for anymore 117 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: or any less because you get seven to start with. 118 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: It's the same exact situation. Bill Belichick has been talking 119 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: about this for a decade, so from Bill Belichick's mouth 120 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: to Roger Goodell. In those coaches that they print up 121 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: those little sheets where they say here's where we go 122 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: for two or not. You don't need to reprint those 123 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: or even change the line. Nothing changes. This is like 124 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: what I've been talking about for twenty years in this country. 125 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: One of the biggest problems. I think is the overabundance 126 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: of pennies, and we need to abolish the penny, and 127 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: we need to abolish the extra point. A fourteen year 128 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: old Greg Rosenthal and Model Congress brought this up and 129 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: it was a winner. No one could argue who needs 130 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: the penny? The penny equivalent right now in this country 131 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: is like a dollar seventy five from when we started. 132 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: There's no use rounded off to five. Greg Rosenthal in 133 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: a model Congress is like the most West and West 134 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: intern thing I've ever heard of. And by the way, 135 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: you're aligning your self with Britney Spears ex husband Kevin Federline. 136 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: Back when I was living in New York, I remember 137 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: walking by a rally one in which Kevin Federline was 138 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: the guy leading a rally to eliminate pennies. That is 139 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: truly bizarre. It is, It's extremely bizarre. This is it 140 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: comes up every now and then in real Congress. No lie, 141 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: but for some reason it doesn't make it through. Aren't 142 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: you sick of pennies in your pocket? And they're all 143 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: over the place, and they're they're totally used. Now I 144 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: throw them away sometimes, I uh, and to put a 145 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: bow in our conversation because we already referenced some uh 146 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: Adam Sandler content The Lonesome Kicker, a great song off 147 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: his comedy album Kickers are really starting to get schools 148 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: are getting tired. It's more and more before we do 149 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: move on. I think this extra point thing is a winner, 150 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: and I think Goodell brought it up because he believes 151 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: there's a good chance that it's going to pass. He 152 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: doesn't just bring it up willie nilly. It's gonna get 153 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: voted on. I think there's a good chance it passes. 154 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 1: The more impact thing he said in terms of rule change, 155 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: that they're gonna potentially vote on reviewing whether it's a 156 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: helmet to helmet hit. And that's something rich Eisen has 157 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: been talking about for years, and when we get into 158 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: the two thousand and fourteen season, if that actually happens, 159 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a big impact. That's something we're gonna 160 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: end up talking about. I don't know if the extra 161 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: point thing is really going to be that big of 162 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: a deal, but when they're reviewing the helmet to helmet hits, 163 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: it will slow down the game. It's gonna be a 164 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: big thing, and it's gonna change because while he frame 165 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: and Goodell, who gets criticized by a lot of people, 166 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: but I think he's a sharp guy and he when 167 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: he says things, he says them for a reason. And 168 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: he said that he believed it will change that they 169 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: will this will become a challengeable thing. So you could 170 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: to me, you can put it in the books. We'll 171 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: see what happens though. Moving forward. Bronco's offensive coordinator Adam 172 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: Gaze has pulled out of the Browns head coaching search. 173 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: But Mark, don't worry because the Browns will interview Mike Petton, 174 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: the Bills coordinator. Uh. They have Seahawks defensive corner Dan 175 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: Quinn also on the books for another interview. So where 176 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: are we going with this? Mark, you're feeling good. There's 177 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: a reason to be nervous. They still don't have a coach. 178 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: Are the only team in the league now. I don't 179 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: feel nervous at all, to be honest about the timeline. 180 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why that's made such a big deal 181 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: of because all are leaving right because they don't. I 182 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: think any one of these guys can get a staff 183 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: together for one year and then you can make some adjustments. 184 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: You're sick of everyone making jokes that people are turning 185 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: them down. Though it's not the greatest sign in the 186 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: world that Gaze who was high on their list, whether 187 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: he would be good or not, he was someone they 188 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to and he apparently doesn't want the job. Yeah, 189 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's getting to a level wherefore, I think 190 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: anyone that has an interest in the Browns, there's you know, 191 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: a parent cynicism about what the perception is. It's probably 192 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: as low as it's been. Uh. Let me just pettent 193 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: to me though, and you know we've talked before. We 194 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: read that book Collision Low Crosses. Bizarre title, but great book. Uh. 195 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: And he it's a story about the Jets. The guy 196 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: follows the New York Jets for a year. And when 197 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: you hear these names pop up in these coaching searches, 198 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: like people don't know if it's Pettine or pett and 199 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: nobody know who this guy is, it sounds boring. You 200 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: want them to go after John Gruden or Bill Coward. 201 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: Will Patton to me came across as a guy that 202 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: I got excited reading about him because he was so 203 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: organized and so driven. He's the son of a coach. 204 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: I just feel like he would fit with Cleveland. The 205 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: report is that he really really wants to go there too. 206 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: That's nice to hear where a gaze, you know there whispers, 207 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: well they're whispers with gaze where he wasn't even sure 208 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: he wanted to be making that jump into a head 209 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: coach role, that he could wait a year or two more. 210 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: Is only thirty five, so petting to me, I think 211 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: it is a good fit for Cleveland. I I think 212 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: we'll see. I think this can move faster than we think. 213 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: He's a second interview, I couldn't agree more. Collision Low Crossers, 214 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: first of all, is a classic of the John Right. 215 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: It's the book I've been waiting to read about the 216 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: current NFL for about ten or twenty years. I don't care. 217 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: It's a fantastic book. And Patton stood out and agree 218 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: more that he looked and felt like a head coach 219 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: after reading that book. And it sounds like Mark that 220 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: you you heard Jimmy Haslum Junior's message to fans last 221 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: week where he basically was like, everybody relaxed. I got this, 222 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: and you know, you sound like a guy that's still 223 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: under control. And so they hired Belichick like days after 224 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. The only other coach they hired after 225 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, which Davis he rolled them into. And 226 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go down that road. Actually also root 227 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: successful coach since they've rebooted fair enough. I just I 228 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: don't know if the timeline concerns me so much. If 229 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: you get the right guy, who cares if it's two 230 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: weeks later and all right, finally the Dallas Cowboys. This 231 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: is surprising to me as I'm on my off day. 232 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: I did not see this. They are keeping defensive quarter 233 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: named Monte Kiffin. What happened? What happened with this? This 234 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: is one of those stories that would have been a 235 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: big story right after the season, and because now it's 236 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: two or three weeks later and everyone forgot that the 237 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys defense was the biggest of domination of the 238 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen season and Monty Kiffin looked well 239 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: past as Brian and Jerry Jones decision to higher Kiffin 240 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: and fire Ryan was an abject disaster that it's kind 241 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: of slipping under the radar. But I'm I'm stunned about this. 242 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: And Jerry Jones loves too trumpet anything Dallas Cowboys related 243 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: and you you notice there's no big press conference. It's 244 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: just kind of I'm gonna slide into mobile and mentioned 245 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: this to a couple of reporters. I don't think they're 246 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: proud of this, but they're keeping them. Don't you think 247 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: that after uh getting rid of Rob Bryan last year 248 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: and being completely humiliated by that, that there's maybe more 249 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: of I'm just gonna do nothing this time. Although this 250 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: was the guy he definitely should part ways with. Well, 251 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: I thought that they had given him a retirement package 252 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: and bought him a place in Boca Ratone, and they 253 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: were washing their hands of what was an obvious mistake 254 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: because the defense regressed massively under the old man, and 255 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: now he's coming back. You just this, this to me 256 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: has all the markings of late period Jerry Jones disaster 257 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: thing King, and this guy will be fired next year, 258 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: but not before another eight and eight led by a 259 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: bad defense. They probably did buy him a house in 260 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: Boca Raton and he probably did spend two weeks there, 261 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: and then they called him up and said, you know what, 262 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: actually you have to come back and do this again 263 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: or they fire him next month. I'm not even kidding 264 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't totally shock me if he's still sort of 265 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: slow playing it. I don't know if there's someone they'd 266 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: like to talk to, but it sounds like they're keeping 267 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: he said. One other ominous thing, Jones, he said they 268 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: asked him about the salary cap, and he said, well, listen, 269 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: the salary cap is going to be an issue for 270 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: this team for years and years to come. Was the 271 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: subtext like, Wow, okay, that's hopeful, and that's how you 272 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: liked It was fun in the nineties, But it is 273 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: not easy being a Cowboys fan. It is. It's a 274 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: tough racket. Right now, it sounds like you, you Yankees fans, 275 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: you all empathize with the Cowboys fans. You all go together, 276 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: Yankees and Cowboys. It's an absurd statement. All right, let's 277 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: move on. Let's get into our little game. About a 278 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: month ago I was away from the podcast, we had 279 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: uh NFL Network producer Michael Berger sit again. He came 280 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: up with a good idea for a segment called who 281 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: do You Trust? Now? We're gonna do a little twist 282 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: on that with the Super Bowl coming up. I'm gonna 283 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: go with something negative. I like to sekeew negative don't 284 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: you trust? Interesting about the super dolt Super Bowl edition. 285 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: So gentleman, with the big game coming up, who wants 286 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: to go first and tell me who you don't trust? 287 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: All right? Greg is pointing in a panic state to 288 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: to Mark Sessler. I gotta cook up something here, cook 289 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: it up ten like this is all happening. Group, right 290 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: or an individual? Anything? Who don't you trust? Well, there's 291 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: less fodder here than there would have been for two 292 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: week Week eight opponents, because these are the two best 293 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: teams in football. Uh, not a lot of We start. 294 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go though, with Denver's ground game because I 295 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: think that quiet a lead. Denver's rushing game has done 296 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: a nice job last week. We saw it in other 297 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: weeks of kind of keeping the clock going with some 298 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: big runs, big third down conversions. I rewatched what Seattle 299 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: did to San Francisco again last night, and we're finding 300 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: out that Frank Or potentially a broken finger, and he 301 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: was not always in the game. But they completely outside 302 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: of Colin Kaepernick early on in the second half, blew 303 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: up San Francisco's ability to run the ball and a 304 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: they're a great run defense. They forced fumbles, they forced 305 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: turnovers all over the place. I don't know if that 306 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: would change Denver's offense entirely, but if you can completely 307 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: remove the option of converting some big thurn downs and 308 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: you put Peyton Manning into a tougher spot against that secondary, 309 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: potential problems, That's where I'm going. Don't they use the 310 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: run game primarily just to keep the defense honest, It's 311 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: not like they're gonna look to hand the ball off 312 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: to No, Sean Moreno and Monte Bell thirty five times. 313 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: Here's why this game in particular would concern me because 314 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: way your or the New England secondary, Peyton Manning is 315 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: finding holes all over the place, especially with to Lee about. 316 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: But what Manning has to do when you've got a 317 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: couple of all pros back there and not a single 318 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: week link is you've got to find a way to 319 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: get yardage where you can, and I think the run 320 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: game would play a big part of that if you 321 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: don't want to deal with Richard Sherman on the one 322 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: third of the field and the and the rest of 323 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: the deal well, so much of the Denver's running game 324 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: comes from Peyton Manning checking two runs when he has 325 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: advantageous looks. Because most teams have to load up in 326 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: the back end to stop Manning and all those receivers. 327 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: It will be really interesting to see do the Seahawks 328 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: even need to do that. Do they really even need 329 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: the extra defenders in the back end, or can they 330 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: play them a little more honestly, Obviously, you're gonna mix 331 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: up a lot of calls when you're playing Peyton Man 332 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: and you can't give him the same look all the time. 333 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: But there's such a good, complete defense everywhere. Maybe they 334 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: don't have to cheat as much. I think the Broncos 335 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: often's gonna struggle doing anything running or passed. Like one 336 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: quick thing, Kaepernick I watched every one of his throws 337 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: last night. Didn't even turn his head towards the side 338 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: of the field that Sherman was on. Only through to 339 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: me twice, he said. And it's like that the Niners. 340 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: Right out of the gate, we're only playing with two 341 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: thirds of the field. And that's another thing. It's like 342 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: you can run to the right side, that's the worst 343 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: side of Seattle's defense to run the ball. But again, 344 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: how will play out. I think it's going to be 345 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: one of the more interesting matchups technically that we've seen 346 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: all season. Red Bryant and Brandon Mebane don't get talked 347 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: about a lot. But that's as good at twosome in 348 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: terms of run stopping as there is in the league. 349 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: And they might not need many guys up front to 350 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: stop the Broncos run. You're right, they don't run the 351 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: ball that much eleventh in the league, and rushing attempts 352 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: despite leading big in so many games, only twenty in 353 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: yards per carry. I like your pick. Well, Mark one 354 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: thing you didn't which can work to your advantage as 355 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: well in this prediction. Uh No, Sean Moreno has a 356 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: bad rib. We don't. He's obviously he's probably gonna play, 357 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: but that's an issue too. That's a starting little injection. 358 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: He'll be fun. Monty Ball is probably a better runner anyways. 359 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if they like him as much in 360 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: the past game, but if you're picking a guy to 361 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: get three yards for you, I'd take Monty Ball. By 362 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: the way, you brought up Richard Sherman. Did you guys 363 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: see what he said after the game on Sunday night 364 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: after the game, Yeah, and Aaron Andrews had got him 365 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: for a couple of semes that there was that play 366 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: with where he hit it with his left hand and 367 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: then went to the Super Bowl. See, I missed the 368 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: end of the I don't even know who won that game. 369 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: We won that? What's happening? Um? All right, I will 370 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: now tell you who I don't trust. Well, this will 371 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: all build up. Well, it's gonna you. Actually when we 372 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: crossed out, Mark Sessler is number one. Uh, I don't 373 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: trust Russell Wilson. I do trust Russell Wilson and in 374 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: the big picture, and I think he's one of the 375 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: key UH figures of the NFL going forward over the 376 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: next next decade. However, I don't know how much I 377 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 1: trust him right now. These are his stats so far 378 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: through two playoff games. They're not terrible. And and this 379 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: is why passer rating, by the way, it can be 380 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: uh misleading. Sometimes. He had a one or four point 381 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: six passer rating on Sunday against the Niners. Um he 382 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: went sixteen fifteen yards one touchdown. But I don't think 383 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: he necessarily played a great game. He threw that nice pass, uh, 384 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: the touchdown pass on the off sides. That was a 385 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: nice throw. But he also his passes weren't always that crisp. 386 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: And he also had that tendency to to take a 387 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: snap and scramble backwards. He got called for one ground, 388 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: he could have gotten called for another. Um should have 389 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: been called for another, probably should have been called for another. 390 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: And would it? Would it shocked me if a guy 391 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: that's a second year player, who who has had some 392 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: moments this season where he hasn't looked so hot on 393 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: this stage against the great team, especially if he gets behind, 394 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: could run into trouble. Russell Wilson last time he was 395 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: in a bad weather game just two weeks ago, hundred 396 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: and three yards nine for eighteen. He struggled. There's gotta 397 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: be a lot of conversation about Peyton Manning and the 398 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: bad weather. But if it's below freezing and there's a 399 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: little bit of wind, it's gonna hurt the passing game 400 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 1: for both teams. Which passing game has enough behind it 401 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: that they can survive that. The Seahawks have struggled throwing 402 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: the ball, you know, not just in the playoffs, I 403 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: would say going back to the start of December, and 404 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: I think that's more of a team thing than Russell Wilson. 405 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,239 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Dan, but I think it's more of 406 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: a pass offense, not even Wessell Wilson because it's really 407 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: that whole group, the receivers and especially the offensive line. 408 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: There isn't the killer receiver that you have to absolutely 409 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: keep your Percy Harvin's Baldwin produced, but you don't think 410 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: of him that way. I don't at least, But I, 411 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, Dan, that's not a bad pick at all, because, 412 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: like I watched Wilson in that Niners game, typically is 413 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: such a clean player that doesn't make mistakes. He's a 414 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: great handler. He he had a couple a fumble on 415 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: that Alton Smith's sack right out of the game. To 416 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: any any something just looked a little different about him. 417 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: I think with the Saints game where he produced like 418 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: a hundred and three yards passing, that win in that 419 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: game was such an issue that they really had the 420 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: game plan around it. U But I don't know. I 421 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: with Wilson. To me, he's also a guy, and I 422 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: think you said this on the on Sunday Night Show 423 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: that he could surprise you and blow up and have 424 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: a huge performance as well and go like nineteen twenty 425 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: four like he's that guy too. So but Simms like 426 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: that would be Phil Sims, like in New Jersey, bang, 427 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: even though that game was played in California, right New 428 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: Jersey connection, by the way. And for a guy that 429 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: has great mobility and great escapability, his past five games, 430 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: he's been sacked four four, four, three and four. So 431 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: maybe the old line is not doing a great job 432 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: project protecting him. Maybe he's holding the ball too long. 433 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: If get some pressure on him, that will lead to trouble. 434 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: Does do that figure eight thing where it's more like 435 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: a figure eight eight, Well, he'll just go back and 436 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: back and back. I liked I like that. I like 437 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: Dan's use of escapability one of my favorite football only terms, 438 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: right behind out physical. I'm waiting to see that in print. 439 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: But coaches love to say always getting nabbed in physical. Then, 440 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: well you actually you say it's only in football. I 441 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: used great escapability to get out of this work dinner 442 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: for my wife about two weeks ago, where I said 443 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: that I had worked at five am, but I was 444 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: off the next day. Showed great escapability guarantee. One of 445 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: her co workers, just passing through the internet happens to 446 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: listen to this big trouble in the hands of household 447 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: is one salary is removed. Wow, who's getting Canada I 448 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: don't know alright, anyone, Greg, who do who don't you trust? Well? 449 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: I supported your Russell Wilson or because I'm a team player, 450 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: but I'm going the other way around. I don't trust 451 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: the team and the defense that he's going again, especially 452 00:22:54,480 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: their leadership John Fox, Jack del Rio, and there's something 453 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: about this coaching staff that, even though they've been more 454 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: aggressive lately, I don't think they're a super Bowl winning 455 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: type of coaching staff. I like Pete Carroll and John 456 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: Schneider and that organization, and when you're talking x as 457 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: and os, and especially on the defensive side, I don't 458 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: know if I fully trust the Broncos. Yet they've played 459 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: great defense. You can't say that they haven't in the 460 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: two playoff games, but I like Seattle to out. You 461 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: don't think John Fox is like one of the game's 462 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: premier strategists necessarily, but maybe that maybe that's not fair 463 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: to feel that one now it's it's he doesn't get 464 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: enough respect. I understand that in terms of the success 465 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: that he's had, but game management in the big spot, 466 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: I still are not fully convinced that this is a 467 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: great defense, and I think Wilson could create some problems. 468 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: Marshawn Lenz can create some problems. And That's where I'm at. 469 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: I will I have one, del Why is no one 470 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: hired del Rio? I mean, well, I think he well, 471 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: sometimes what you've done is preventative, and I think that 472 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: Jaguar's job flamed out hard at the end and he 473 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: needs this time to Yeah, I think a couple more years, 474 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: even one more year, he would. But it's funny how 475 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: some guys are easily able to shed the baggage of 476 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: a lost end of a career with one team and 477 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: then instantly jump aside. Jackie. I talked to him with 478 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: just after he got hired by Fox at the Combine 479 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: a couple of years and well, I know, and I'm 480 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: trying to do like this. That is why I like 481 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: del Rio is that he rolled into this. We're all 482 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: watching the Oscars with NFL network people and him and 483 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: Fox rolled in randomly to hang out, and they were 484 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: a Fox is one of the nicest, just the nice 485 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: guy walking around acting like he's your uncle. But del 486 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: Rio is off in the corner and like I happened 487 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: to be chatting with him and we got into like 488 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: a twenty five minute conversation about his uh place in 489 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: the first tech Mobile and that he used to play 490 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: Tech Mobile with his kids and they would constantly you know, 491 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: they you his offensive players to destroy him as a 492 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: defensive guy in Tech Mobile. I was like, you know, 493 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: I like this guy. We even had a serious moment 494 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: in this entire chat. Maybe we're a few beers involved, 495 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: so I should trust him, is what you're saying. Well, 496 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. It may work exactly into what you're 497 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: what you're talking about here. Maybe we should root for 498 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: him because it sounds like he was a nice guy. 499 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: Nice guys. But you know, you guys took two good 500 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: options here in terms of lacking trust, and you went 501 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: got to the heart of the matter that I don't 502 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: know if I really need to trust the defense. Who's 503 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: best pass rusher is Sean Phillips. And how about this, 504 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: by the way, how about nobody brought up that they 505 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: don't trust Peyton Manning. What do we think about that? 506 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: I think it feels like low hanging fruit, as they say, 507 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: or goanna be that guy that you went on a 508 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: podcast killing Peyton Manning this week? I don't Or it 509 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: feels like he's a five time m v P soon 510 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: to be five time m v P. That's coming off 511 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: statistically the greatest season in NFL history for a quarterback. 512 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: And he looked locked on in that game. So what 513 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: tells us that things are He already showed him do 514 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: the cold weather thing. Now, could Seattle shut him down? 515 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: Could they slow him down in this offense? I think so. 516 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: But that's not because of my lack of trust in Manning. 517 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: I think he'll play well enough. That's because the Seahawks 518 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: defense might be just as historical, just as excellent as 519 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: this bron Goes offense. See, this is why I like 520 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: doing a podcast with you guys, because there's nobody in 521 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: this room that is just gonna be ridiculous about Manning 522 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: over this next two weeks. We all understand what he's 523 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: capable of, we all know his past failures, but we're 524 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: not gonna get too wrapped up in it. We're just 525 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: gonna stay in the moment. Peyton Manning will probably play 526 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: very well for all right. It's that time of the show. 527 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna get a little tropical here. We're gonna get 528 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: a little you know, we're going over the Pacific and 529 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to Kevin Patrick coming at you from Honolulu, Hawaii, Kevin, 530 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: are you there? Hey? That sounds like a guy wearing 531 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: a Hawaiian shirts, But I wish were. Patrick usually a 532 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: little gruff from the snowy basement in Chicago, But now 533 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: he's he's realizing it all paid off to come aboard 534 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: the Around the League Express just for this Hawaii trip. 535 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm staring at a blue sea and palm 536 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: trees everywhere I look. So this is better than your 537 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: typical spot, which is a basement in Chicago. Agreed, Yes, 538 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: a basement or bar bathroom. Are you doing any work 539 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: that is to be determined? Love the hesitancy in that response. Yes, 540 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: I refused to agree, and much so Patrick, Take us, 541 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: Take us, Take us through what's going on over there? 542 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: Like you're at the hotel, the NFL's hotel, right are there? 543 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: Are there a lot of players like everywhere right now? 544 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: Are you amongst them? Are you swimming with them? Are 545 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: they judging literally or figuratively? Uh? You know, they're just 546 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: starting to trickle in. J. J. Wattle was on my 547 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: flight in You know, I knew it was going to 548 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: be a great, great trip When the first thing that 549 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: happened to he wasn't at the airport. A Buffalo Bill's 550 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: cheerleader sits right down next to me, and I'm like, good, 551 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: you know that reminds me of do you strike up 552 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: a conversation? You know? Of course, of course listen to 553 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: this guy. You know when I said that, you were 554 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: kind of like Sandler and Punch drunk love. You're gonna 555 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: find love there? This is this happening? Is there something 556 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: in play with a cheerleader for a major NFL time? Unfortunately, unfortunately, 557 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: first thing I noticed was a ring and I don't 558 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: like that. So probably David Nelson's wife. That's the firm 559 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: first home you don't play reference in literally twenty one years. 560 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: All right, so Kevin, let's talk about the Pro Bowl? 561 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: What what do we want to talk about with Kevin? 562 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Pro Bowl Draft, which is Wednesday night. Well, 563 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: it's a two part draft. On Tuesday night, it's the 564 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: offensive line and fullbacks and Hunter kind of the warm 565 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: up back Wednesday night, though, this is the three hours 566 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: spectacular you're gonna want to watch. All the players are 567 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: getting drafted from Dion and Jerry Rice and basically just 568 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of like you're picking the best players in 569 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: the league. Way, come on, the boss, you're not gonna 570 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: throw it out there. We're also doing something for around 571 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: the league, a live component. We're also doing a live 572 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: chat on the website hosted by Daniel Handsas. And if 573 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: you go to the website on Wednesday before the draft, 574 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: you can see the only official NFL mocked draft of 575 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl by Mark Sessler and I who's not 576 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: getting excited for that? We are invested in this event. Well, 577 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: we were told about twenty minutes ago that we were 578 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: gonna we were going to be invested. That. Don't be silly. 579 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: We we we we are Pro Pro Bowl. It should 580 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: be fun. So let's let's do a little exercise. Yeah, 581 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick, what we decided to be fun to do. 582 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: And you know, since you're there and you're a professional, 583 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: you don't need to need to consult the list. You know, 584 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: everyone on on the roster, we're gonna we're gonna each 585 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: pick the three top Pro Bowl players. Now, not everyone 586 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: is at this event. In fact, many people aren't. In fact, 587 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: um read today that the Niners, six of the seven 588 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: Niners said thanks but no thanks, but still we're gonna 589 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: go it off. Anybody that was selected top three, and 590 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: I will start with you, Greg Rosenthal, your top three 591 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: players on the Pro Bowl roster. And you know we 592 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: talked about this before. Let's not go too crazy with quarterbacks. 593 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: Well we're not gonna take all quarterbacks or anything like that, 594 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, we're not going to do a draft here, 595 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: but we'll take the guys we would want. And I'm 596 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: going with guys that just it's the Pro Bowl. There's 597 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: not a lot of weight. So this is if we 598 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: were the coaches of the teams and you want some grinder, 599 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: who would be the three guys? And I don't think 600 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: defense matters. No one wants to block, who cares about lineman? 601 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: So I'm going for guys that if you're just on 602 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: a out playing football on a sand lot, who would 603 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: you want who can make people miss? Andrew luck is 604 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: my quarterback because I think he's the most talented quarterback. 605 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: Just do a little bit anything. Lashawn McCoy is my 606 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: number two pick no One. No one can tackle him 607 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: in the regular season, so they're not tackling him in 608 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. And Bez Bryant is my third one. 609 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: With those three guys, who's stopping them? You don't need 610 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: a you don't need anyone on defense, Patra, what do 611 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: you think that's pretty sure? I'm I got a similar 612 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: similar mode to Greg, But I'm taking Pam cam Newton 613 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: has my quarterback because I don't think people can't take 614 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: him when they're trying, So when they're not, I think 615 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: that he could dominate. Uh, you know, I'm gonna take 616 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: a flyer. I'm gonna take Cordarrel Patterson as my wide 617 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: receiver because I think young guys, he's gonna come on, 618 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: he's gonna want to play a little harder. I think 619 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: he's made for this game with his freaking chef meticism 620 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: where they could give them the ball anymore and you 621 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: could just take it to the house. That is that 622 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: is outside the box. Kevin, he's not even listed at 623 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: wide receiver for this game. He's a punt returner. So 624 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: he's not only gonna draft him. You you don't think 625 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: guys are guys are gonna be like all right, go 626 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: out there. I think they're gonna make him play for him. 627 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: You're changing positions, you're coaching him. This is something I'm doing. 628 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm you will see I like it. I like that, 629 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: and um, I will take a defender, because I think 630 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: Robert Quinn still has a little bit of a chip 631 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: on the shoulders just in the press conference. I think 632 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna try to, you know, take some shots from quarterbacks, 633 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: and we should give us some love to him for 634 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: stopping by the Around the League podcast studio here a 635 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: couple of days that Mark Sesler your turn, alright, big 636 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: decision time. Here's where I'm going not even remotely prepared. 637 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: This game is not about anything happening at the line 638 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. No one wants to get to the quarterback 639 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: because it's probably in many cases because it's not it's 640 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: non conferenced. I remember this conversation when I said it 641 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: two minutes ago. Well, you've got defensive players, aren't gonna 642 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: go after quarterbacks. I'm gonna go with a j Green, Okay, 643 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall and Josh Gordon. Lights out, it's over. That's in. 644 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: That's seventy five points right there. And I don't what 645 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: what do you Why do you need to pick a quarterback? 646 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: You can't go wrong here. That's pretty good, buddy, Yeah, 647 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: overload the defense, lights out, three entire stadiums gone by halftime. 648 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: You could play quarterback with those three guys, Brandon Weed, 649 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: and it's about maybe not weeding. The Pro Bowl is 650 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: about matchups. I will go with Philip Rivers because I 651 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: like Phil. Phil has had a nice year, has many children. 652 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: He honestly, that was gotta be my number one. Picked 653 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: two for the same reason, and I changed it. And 654 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you who else I like. I like Eddie Lacy, 655 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: has anybody brought him up, hard nosed runner, rookie, you know, 656 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: really talented, a real grinder. And then, of course, last 657 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: but not least, Antonio Crimardi, pro bowler, a injury replacement 658 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: for about four hundred guys ranked out cornerbacks according to 659 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. He is a guy who called me 660 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: out on Twitter a couple of days ago and called 661 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: me a liar for reporting something that's he said in 662 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: an interview that was televised. I want Kramarty on my 663 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: team because that's a man with character, health and playing 664 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: at the time. You can make him have to play 665 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: the entire time. Oh, he's not coming off the field. 666 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: He's playing both wins. If you were gonna go Jet, 667 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: I thought you'd go Mangold. Maybe I thought about Nick, 668 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: but ultimately I said I want to go with the 669 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: greatest of all Jets, Antonio Carmartin. Well, it's funny because 670 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: in that book that we talked about car Marty is 671 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: their number one practice player, that he is the hardest 672 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: worker in terms of love in the game. So maybe 673 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: he is a guy that well, they also talked about 674 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: him as a guy that doesn't like to tackle anyone. 675 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: That's well, I could have told you that when he 676 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: was on the Chargers and Sean Green bowled him over 677 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: during a playoff win for the Jets. That's your Pro 678 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: Bowl player. I told you I got a lot of 679 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 1: faith in this guy. That's not true, Patra, any plans 680 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: for the rest of the week, any strategies. Now you 681 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: are at their hotel, so you literally could be hanging 682 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: out at the poolside bar with with some of these players. 683 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: Not not to be weird. You don't want to interview 684 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: him there, but that's your pool. Yeah, yeah, you know, 685 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: we were at the bar last night. There was a 686 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: guys we should give we should give Kevin one assignment 687 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: And this is like, in all seriousness, you have one 688 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: one job. There's a lot of guys at the Pro Bowl, 689 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: not all of them know anybody. It would be very 690 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: easy for you to seriously befriend someone if you just 691 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: kept an open mind. We want you to make one 692 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: friend on a pro bowl roster by the end of 693 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: your time. And yeah, like a legit friend where you 694 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: exchange numbers at the end of the week. Is that possible, 695 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: But I'll work on it. I'll get back to you. 696 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: Two words for you, Kevin, Johnny Hecker St. Louis rams Pup. 697 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: I was gonna play a Hecker on my roster because 698 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: he's a carrot top and I like that. But alright, 699 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: great job, great job, Kevin. Enjoy yourself out there, and 700 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: if you could find love even better, appreciate thanks Kevin. Alright, gentlemen, 701 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: before we get Chris Wesley on the phone, I have 702 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: to check out. This is my off day. I have 703 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: some business to take care of. I get I don't 704 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: need to get into it anymore, do I or do 705 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: I know? That's my You know, we have to delay 706 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: the show a little bit. There's a lot going on, 707 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts, heavily produced show tell the 708 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: trust of this business is good for our society on 709 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: any level. But enjoy yourself. Free to leave, all right, guys, 710 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: good talking to you. So we said goodbye to Dan, 711 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: but we will say hello to Chris Westling, who if 712 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: you listen to Sunday Night Show after the game. Unfortunately, 713 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: you know, it's not in the studio with with us. 714 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: He's back with his family. His father passed away over 715 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: the weekend. Uh, you know, we consider him part of 716 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: the family. And it's it's great to talk to you, Wes. 717 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: I know it hasn't been a great couple of days 718 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: for you. No, I, um, I don't know how much 719 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: reflecting I do on a daily basis, but it was 720 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: good that I heard about it right when I was 721 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: getting into the flight and had five or six hours 722 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: to kind of think of all the good times. And 723 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: then it's been kind of a whirlwind since I've gotten 724 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: into Cincinnati, just seeing family and friends and more stories 725 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: and more laughs and uh, definitely celebrating a great life. Now. 726 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: You told me that you know you're not a Bengals fan. 727 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: Everyone knows this, and you sort of got that from 728 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: your father, who had also basically given up on the 729 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: Bengals too. Is that right, right? And my dad was 730 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: a season ticket holder in the seventies and this was 731 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: at a time when you know, he was a male 732 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: man and had well he didn't have seven kids yet, 733 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: but uh, I never had a lot of money, but 734 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: was a season ticket holder, and I think he got 735 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: frustrated with the franchise for the exact same reason I did. 736 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, he's definitely a huge sports fan, was a 737 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: placker on legend and basketball in the local area, and 738 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: had seven boys. So he's basically a saint. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, Well, Wes, 739 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: I know that we uh, you know, we you left 740 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: on Saturday, and we we missed watching the games with 741 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: you on Sunday for sure. It's uh, it's been a 742 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: tradition for what twentysomething weeks at this point. Yeah, yeah, 743 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: I missed it. Um, I went back and watched everything 744 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: on Game rewind so I'm I'm up to snuff on 745 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: the games. Well, let's get into some whistling takeaways from it, 746 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: because let's face it, you're smarter than the rest of 747 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: us when it comes to this football thing. So we've been, 748 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: you know, trying to push the ball up the hill, 749 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: but we need some we need some smart takeaway, some 750 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: West action. Well you know what, I really like what 751 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 1: I've seen from the Broncos. I mean, I think I 752 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,479 Speaker 1: entered the playoffs, thinking the Seahawks and probably Affording Irons 753 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: were stronger teams, and I'm not so sure anymore. I 754 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: do think the Bronchos have had too fairly. I wouldn't 755 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: say easy draws, but they haven't been tested quite like 756 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: the Seahawks have. But I think in both of the game, 757 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: both of the playoff games, they could have easually sported 758 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,399 Speaker 1: fourteen or twenty more points by converting in the red zone. 759 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: They're moving the ball really well. And uh, I know 760 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: from reading your article that that was the most point 761 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: any team has put up on a Bill Belichick for 762 00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: in most yards, and he can put up on a 763 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: Belichi of defense, and I think they can be even better. 764 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they're not gonna put up five yards 765 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: on the Seahawks, but if they can convert in the 766 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: in the region, I mean, this offense looks really good. 767 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: They're running the ball so well, which they haven't done 768 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: every single week all year. But it seems like they're 769 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: in a good place on offense and then defense, I'm 770 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: surprised at how well they're playing. Are you buying it though? 771 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: Are you buying the defensive resurgence? I know they played 772 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: San Diego in New England. So on paper, this Super 773 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: Bowl matchup is easier for their defense. I don't know why. 774 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: I can't quite wrap my head around it. Yeah, it 775 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,280 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they should be better without von Miller. 776 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: Doesn't It doesn't. But it seems like everyone is collectively 777 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: raised their level of play and then pot Roast has 778 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: turned into a monster. How do you perceive that? Peyton Manning? 779 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: You know, we saw what Seattle's secondary did to uh Kaepernick, 780 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 1: not to mention everyone else this year, Like Peyton Manning 781 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: verse that secondary is just fascinating to think about. How 782 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: how does he attack that and get yardage and score 783 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: points again them. I love that matchup. I mean, it's 784 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: as well as Manning slaying He's just one of those 785 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: guys like Greg Mannox, You're like, how does he do it? 786 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: He throws the ball, and even if he's throwing better 787 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: now than he was at certain points during the season, 788 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: sometimes it's just like he's throwing while he pops up 789 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: and it's just trying this lay between three defenders and 790 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: to his receiver's arm. I'd imagine the Seahawks TVs are 791 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: gonna close faster on those passes. But the Broncos also 792 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: have more weapons than the Seahawks has played against it 793 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: at any point this year. Yeah, we I wrote a 794 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: piece on the site that's up now that the storylines 795 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: were not going to get tired of. And it's obvious 796 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: that the Broncos are historical offense and they're playing the 797 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: only matchup in which the number one scoring and yardage 798 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 1: team in the league is playing the number one points 799 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: allowed and yards allowed game in Super Bowl history. And 800 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: that's gonna be played up. But I don't think that 801 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: can be played up too much because if you love football, 802 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 1: that is the best matchup possible. Manning and these four 803 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: guys who all scored touchdowns like crazy, all you're in 804 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: these receivers against the best secondary you said of our lifetime. 805 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: I believe Wesseling early earlier in the season or one 806 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: of them. And these linebackers that are fast and they're 807 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,720 Speaker 1: and they're very good up front. I mean, it doesn't 808 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: if you love football, it doesn't really get much better 809 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: than that. I'm fired up for it. I love the 810 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: matchup and I feel like it's it's a matchup we've 811 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: been heading towards all seasons, and we thought along the 812 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 1: Seahawks were the best team in the NFC. Maybe doubted 813 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: that for a couple of weeks recently with how well 814 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: the forty Niners are playing, but they have an historically 815 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: great secondary. The Broncos broke the record for most points. 816 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you have to love this matchup. And I 817 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: think one of the things I perceive and you you 818 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: guys probably see it as well. What Peyton Nanny's doing 819 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, Like he's like a conductor 820 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: right now. And if you bring another if you bring 821 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: an extra guy into the box, he's gonna throw at 822 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: the decker or to Marys Thomas or Julius Thomas or Welker, 823 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: and he's gonna get a first down. And if you 824 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: don't bring an extra defender in the box, he's gonna 825 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: check in Noshan Marino for a draw play run of 826 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: twenty something yards, or you know, even Monte Baull. He's 827 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,399 Speaker 1: Monte Ball is cutting really sharply right now. I don't 828 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: know to me this they're just like firing on all cylinders. 829 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: They look super sharp. What Mann he's doing at the 830 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage that I don't think the Seahawks to 831 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: face yet let's flip it around, because it's hard to 832 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,919 Speaker 1: disagree with the word of that about Denver. They looked 833 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: amazing against New England. But Russell Wilson, you know, obviously 834 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: statistically last four or five games haven't been his best. 835 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: We talked earlier about how such a clear, such a 836 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: clean quarterback in terms of his ball handling skills, like 837 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: he kind of hit a couple of fumbles last game. 838 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: A little tricky there for him. Do you think that 839 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: he breaks out of that against Denver's defense or is 840 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: it more of the same. Well, he shouldn't have Firsty 841 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: Harvy back, right, he should, We think so, and Doug 842 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: Baldwin hit him just an absolutely great game. I don't 843 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: think you can say enough about how well he played. 844 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: I think they're probably in better shape going into the 845 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowl than we thought they were past few weeks. 846 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: I didn't think Wilson played poorly. Um, he played well enough, 847 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: and he made a couple of key plays the week 848 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: before that. Obviously he's not playing as well as he 849 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: was at mid season or Thanksgiving. But yeah, I think 850 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: I think against the Broncos defense that yeah, they've been 851 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: shutting down the run. I think they can probably still 852 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: be passed on and we're gonna get into this game, 853 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: you know, on Thursday when we have another podcast, and 854 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: of course all next week all of us will be 855 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: there at the super Bowl. Chris, I know you'll be 856 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: with your family for the rest of this week and Cincinnati, 857 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 1: so you know, sending send your family our thoughts and 858 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: you know we'll be thinking about you. And you know, 859 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: Damna Check put it well any any dad. You know, 860 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: we didn't know him, but that uh raised the young 861 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: Chris Wesley and had to be doing something right. So um, 862 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, sending our thoughts and and we'll talk to 863 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: you when when we get to New Jersey and New York. 864 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, And I wanted to thank all the 865 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,919 Speaker 1: listeners who sent me great messages on Twitter as well. 866 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: It was very nice and it's much appreciated. That was 867 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: good Chris Wesseling, and you know, always great to hear him. 868 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: Obviously a different subject, different tone that we're normally used 869 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: to talk about the podcast, but you know, I love 870 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: I love doing this podcast with you guys, and it's 871 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of the cool thing about it is that we've 872 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: all become closer and real and and this is what's happening. 873 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: Chris likes this week, so we'll talk to him next 874 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: week in in New York, and I can't wait for that. 875 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: But we still got a whole week of content on 876 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: around the league, and we're gonna have another podcast on Thursday. 877 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: So until then, for Dan Hands, for Chris Wesseling, for 878 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 1: Kevin Pattri coming at you from Honolulu, for Zach the 879 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: gold Standard, Mark the Sizzler. I'm Greg Rosenthal. We'll talk 880 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: to you