1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:22,195 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Rudy 2 00:00:22,275 --> 00:00:28,355 Speaker 1: Giuliani has offered to flip, maybe a half flip, maybe 3 00:00:28,355 --> 00:00:32,275 Speaker 1: a pre flip, almost certainly not to flip against Trump, 4 00:00:32,595 --> 00:00:36,275 Speaker 1: maybe even to flip in a way to protect Trump 5 00:00:36,275 --> 00:00:38,955 Speaker 1: and of course himself, by giving up everybody else and 6 00:00:39,035 --> 00:00:43,155 Speaker 1: steering prosecutors in different directions. But apply all the caveats 7 00:00:43,195 --> 00:00:47,115 Speaker 1: you want to, it is still a flip. The New 8 00:00:47,195 --> 00:00:51,275 Speaker 1: York Times writing that the previously vaguely reported quote voluntary 9 00:00:51,395 --> 00:00:55,995 Speaker 1: interview of Giuliani by federal prosecutors was last week and 10 00:00:56,075 --> 00:01:00,395 Speaker 1: it was a profer essentially a legal audition in which 11 00:01:00,395 --> 00:01:03,875 Speaker 1: a key figure in a case tries to talk prosecutors 12 00:01:03,915 --> 00:01:07,395 Speaker 1: out of charge against them by showing what they could 13 00:01:07,475 --> 00:01:11,755 Speaker 1: testify about about others. And the Times did not use 14 00:01:11,875 --> 00:01:14,635 Speaker 1: the word flip, and none of the other reporters analyzing 15 00:01:14,675 --> 00:01:17,155 Speaker 1: the Time story used the word flip. So nobody is 16 00:01:17,235 --> 00:01:21,355 Speaker 1: recognizing it for what it is. Exactly what could Rudy 17 00:01:21,395 --> 00:01:26,475 Speaker 1: Giuliani Trump's lead overthrow the election? Lawyer Rudy Giuliani Exactly 18 00:01:26,635 --> 00:01:29,995 Speaker 1: what could he be showing prosecutors that he could testify 19 00:01:30,035 --> 00:01:32,235 Speaker 1: about I mean, he didn't go up to them and say, 20 00:01:32,395 --> 00:01:36,715 Speaker 1: tell Smith, I can give you Jenna Ellis. And even 21 00:01:36,755 --> 00:01:38,715 Speaker 1: if he did not say tell Smith, I can give 22 00:01:38,715 --> 00:01:42,075 Speaker 1: you Trump, we can easily forget that. Four decades and 23 00:01:42,155 --> 00:01:46,995 Speaker 1: many more ethical collapses ago. Rudy Giuliani was a federal prosecutor. 24 00:01:47,115 --> 00:01:50,035 Speaker 1: He knows which way the wind is blowing and which 25 00:01:50,075 --> 00:01:53,275 Speaker 1: way the mescara is running, and he's looking out for 26 00:01:53,355 --> 00:01:59,275 Speaker 1: his mascara and his wind. It is certainly possible. He 27 00:01:59,315 --> 00:02:02,595 Speaker 1: did not say tell Smith, I can give you Trump. 28 00:02:02,995 --> 00:02:07,595 Speaker 1: Almost certainly, certainly, But it's not like he said, tell 29 00:02:07,635 --> 00:02:10,755 Speaker 1: Smith I can give him Joe Biden. And it's clearly 30 00:02:11,595 --> 00:02:13,755 Speaker 1: tell Smith I can give him what he needs on 31 00:02:13,835 --> 00:02:19,555 Speaker 1: almost anybody except me. The Times is explicit. The proffer 32 00:02:19,675 --> 00:02:23,235 Speaker 1: meeting last week was with quote federal prosecutors investigating mister 33 00:02:23,235 --> 00:02:27,075 Speaker 1: Trump's efforts to overturn the twenty twenty election. People familiar 34 00:02:27,075 --> 00:02:30,115 Speaker 1: with the matter said, and then in the fourth paragraph, 35 00:02:30,355 --> 00:02:35,915 Speaker 1: Haberman Foyer and protests right. The appearance was entirely voluntary 36 00:02:35,995 --> 00:02:39,835 Speaker 1: and conducted in a professional manner, said Ted Goodman, a 37 00:02:39,915 --> 00:02:44,195 Speaker 1: political advisor to mister Giuliani. Unquote, Gosh, I wonder who 38 00:02:44,235 --> 00:02:47,715 Speaker 1: those people familiar with the matter, are this is a 39 00:02:47,835 --> 00:02:53,315 Speaker 1: Juliani leak of a Giuliani flip. The Times also has 40 00:02:53,435 --> 00:02:56,155 Speaker 1: what under the profit protection that whatever he told them 41 00:02:56,195 --> 00:02:58,995 Speaker 1: in that interview will not be used against him unless 42 00:02:59,035 --> 00:03:02,235 Speaker 1: it turns out he is lying. Prosecutors asked him about 43 00:03:02,395 --> 00:03:06,115 Speaker 1: one about the plan to create slates of pro Trump 44 00:03:06,195 --> 00:03:10,315 Speaker 1: electors two quote. They focused specifically on the role played 45 00:03:10,355 --> 00:03:14,235 Speaker 1: in that effort by John Eastman unquote three quote. Giuliani 46 00:03:14,315 --> 00:03:18,795 Speaker 1: also discussed Sidney Powell for quote. Miss Powell also took 47 00:03:18,835 --> 00:03:20,675 Speaker 1: part in a meeting in the Oval Office in December 48 00:03:20,715 --> 00:03:23,755 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, during which Trump was presented with a brazen 49 00:03:23,835 --> 00:03:27,755 Speaker 1: plan opposed by Giuliani, to use the military to seize 50 00:03:27,755 --> 00:03:31,955 Speaker 1: control of voting machines and rerun the election five quote. 51 00:03:31,995 --> 00:03:35,995 Speaker 1: Prosecutors further asked Giuliani about the scene at the Willard 52 00:03:36,035 --> 00:03:39,875 Speaker 1: Hotel days before the attack on the Capitol and the 53 00:03:39,915 --> 00:03:44,275 Speaker 1: group of conspirators gathered there. The Times named Eastman, Boris Epstein, 54 00:03:44,675 --> 00:03:48,595 Speaker 1: and Steve Bannon CBS News, which does not use that 55 00:03:48,755 --> 00:03:52,675 Speaker 1: telltale term. Proffer also says he was asked about Jeffrey 56 00:03:53,275 --> 00:03:58,075 Speaker 1: can I put my pants on Clark and six CBS 57 00:03:58,115 --> 00:04:01,915 Speaker 1: had one other detail, which reads quote, the Special Council 58 00:04:02,035 --> 00:04:05,195 Speaker 1: did not indicate that Giuliani is a sub object of 59 00:04:05,235 --> 00:04:08,515 Speaker 1: the investigation and his team does not believe he is, 60 00:04:09,555 --> 00:04:12,595 Speaker 1: which may or may not be true, but it also 61 00:04:12,715 --> 00:04:14,555 Speaker 1: raises the question why in the hell would he be 62 00:04:14,635 --> 00:04:18,115 Speaker 1: trading information to the Special Prosecutor for something to be 63 00:04:18,275 --> 00:04:22,675 Speaker 1: named later as a potential immunity deal. Hi, nice to 64 00:04:22,675 --> 00:04:26,795 Speaker 1: meet you. I'm Rudy. I'm a good citizen. Don't prosecute me? 65 00:04:28,875 --> 00:04:35,555 Speaker 1: So probably Rudy didn't offer to flip on Trump yet, 66 00:04:36,155 --> 00:04:40,315 Speaker 1: just absolutely everybody else around Trump during each part of 67 00:04:40,395 --> 00:04:44,635 Speaker 1: the coup, the elector's scam, the recount and fundraising scam, 68 00:04:44,675 --> 00:04:48,315 Speaker 1: the sees, the voting machines, planned the Willard Hotel war room, 69 00:04:48,755 --> 00:04:51,435 Speaker 1: the preparations for the attack on the House and the Senate. 70 00:04:52,355 --> 00:04:54,915 Speaker 1: Rudy in New Hampshire last night for a live Twitter 71 00:04:55,035 --> 00:04:58,195 Speaker 1: video and still pumping Trump's lead over DeSantis. May be 72 00:04:58,355 --> 00:05:01,635 Speaker 1: able to convince himself that offering to testify for the 73 00:05:01,675 --> 00:05:06,835 Speaker 1: prosecution about Bannon, Clark, Eastman, Epstein, Sidney Powell, and god 74 00:05:06,915 --> 00:05:09,755 Speaker 1: knows who else will not be seen by Trump as betrayal. 75 00:05:10,555 --> 00:05:14,275 Speaker 1: But Trump is simply not subtle nor nuanced about stuff 76 00:05:14,355 --> 00:05:18,315 Speaker 1: like this. To Trump, Yeah, okay, the others are fungible. 77 00:05:18,675 --> 00:05:24,635 Speaker 1: Boris Epstein is not fungible to Donald Trump. If Juliani 78 00:05:24,715 --> 00:05:27,755 Speaker 1: went into prosecutors and talked about the Willard Hotel meeting 79 00:05:27,795 --> 00:05:30,995 Speaker 1: and Epstein and did not somehow manage to clear Epstein, 80 00:05:31,395 --> 00:05:35,995 Speaker 1: how does Trump accept the idea that Rudy Giuliani is 81 00:05:36,035 --> 00:05:39,195 Speaker 1: a little bit pregnant as a witness for the prosecution. 82 00:05:40,115 --> 00:05:43,875 Speaker 1: The goal here is Trump, You are helping them to 83 00:05:44,035 --> 00:05:50,955 Speaker 1: the goal. Moreover, time and time again, throughout American criminal history, 84 00:05:51,115 --> 00:05:56,555 Speaker 1: especially American political criminal history, key witnesses have changed sides 85 00:05:56,995 --> 00:06:00,595 Speaker 1: while telling themselves they were not giving up their guy, 86 00:06:01,595 --> 00:06:04,435 Speaker 1: and then once they saw how much trouble there was 87 00:06:04,515 --> 00:06:07,435 Speaker 1: and how much more protection they would gain from giving 88 00:06:07,515 --> 00:06:11,115 Speaker 1: up their guy, guess what they gave up their guy 89 00:06:11,995 --> 00:06:14,275 Speaker 1: when it was time to get immunity for his role 90 00:06:14,315 --> 00:06:18,275 Speaker 1: in Watergate. My friend John Deane's starting point was, according 91 00:06:18,275 --> 00:06:21,715 Speaker 1: to the almost giggling reminiscence of his attorney, Charlie Shaffer, 92 00:06:22,435 --> 00:06:26,795 Speaker 1: we can't talk about the P. The P John Dene's 93 00:06:26,795 --> 00:06:34,195 Speaker 1: shorthand for President Nixon. Rudy has offered to flip and 94 00:06:35,155 --> 00:06:37,235 Speaker 1: we now also have a name and a face to 95 00:06:37,275 --> 00:06:40,595 Speaker 1: put on the other person. The Special Council contends Trump 96 00:06:40,715 --> 00:06:47,515 Speaker 1: shared classified stuff with it's Susie Wiles. Wil Ees and 97 00:06:47,635 --> 00:06:50,835 Speaker 1: sources told ABC News that the reference to a Pack 98 00:06:50,995 --> 00:06:54,995 Speaker 1: representative identified in the indictment to whom Trump allegedly showed 99 00:06:54,995 --> 00:06:57,915 Speaker 1: a classified map weeks after he showed two or three 100 00:06:57,955 --> 00:07:00,475 Speaker 1: of his aides and the two Mark Meadows publishers the 101 00:07:00,595 --> 00:07:05,595 Speaker 1: Milli Iran battle plants. That's her, Susie Wiles. Not much 102 00:07:05,635 --> 00:07:08,395 Speaker 1: more to their story beyond that, except for the possibility 103 00:07:08,675 --> 00:07:12,795 Speaker 1: that Susie Wiles, ex chief of Trump's twenty sixteen Florida 104 00:07:12,835 --> 00:07:17,075 Speaker 1: Operation later CEO of Trump's Save America Pack, could be 105 00:07:17,155 --> 00:07:20,915 Speaker 1: a witness in this case. While she is Trump's twenty 106 00:07:20,955 --> 00:07:25,315 Speaker 1: twenty four campaign manager, as ABC notes, he has not 107 00:07:25,515 --> 00:07:28,835 Speaker 1: named a campaign manager yet, she is one of three 108 00:07:28,875 --> 00:07:31,995 Speaker 1: people in de facto charge of the campaign now, and 109 00:07:32,075 --> 00:07:35,795 Speaker 1: she could get the solo job. You may recall that 110 00:07:35,875 --> 00:07:38,915 Speaker 1: in the indictment, Trump is talking to the unidentified Pack 111 00:07:39,035 --> 00:07:42,395 Speaker 1: representative about a military operation that he said, quote was 112 00:07:42,395 --> 00:07:46,475 Speaker 1: not going well, and warned her that he quote should 113 00:07:46,475 --> 00:07:49,315 Speaker 1: not be showing the map, so she had to make 114 00:07:49,395 --> 00:07:55,395 Speaker 1: sure to quote not to get too close to the map, 115 00:07:56,155 --> 00:08:00,275 Speaker 1: which is Trump through and through. If you have good eyesight, 116 00:08:00,355 --> 00:08:04,075 Speaker 1: you can see the map from there. And while the 117 00:08:04,195 --> 00:08:07,515 Speaker 1: swelling continues to go down. Nearly seventy two hours after 118 00:08:07,555 --> 00:08:11,075 Speaker 1: the release of the Trump confession tape, an important observation 119 00:08:11,515 --> 00:08:15,075 Speaker 1: by Philip Bump of The Washington Post that, just like 120 00:08:15,115 --> 00:08:18,355 Speaker 1: the actual tape, had more to it, Trump saying, isn't 121 00:08:18,395 --> 00:08:21,795 Speaker 1: this cool than the Jack Smith transcript of the tape 122 00:08:21,795 --> 00:08:25,795 Speaker 1: had included. It is also clear now that whoever transcribed 123 00:08:25,835 --> 00:08:30,835 Speaker 1: it for the prosecution has made a significant mistake in transcription. 124 00:08:31,555 --> 00:08:36,235 Speaker 1: The transcript has Trump saying, we could probably write and 125 00:08:36,275 --> 00:08:39,475 Speaker 1: the staffer says, I don't know. We'll have to see. Yeah, 126 00:08:39,515 --> 00:08:43,675 Speaker 1: we'll have to try to figure out. Trump says, declassify. 127 00:08:44,275 --> 00:08:47,675 Speaker 1: See as President, I could have declassified it. Now I 128 00:08:47,755 --> 00:08:51,875 Speaker 1: can't you know, but this is still a secret. Except, 129 00:08:52,075 --> 00:08:56,515 Speaker 1: as Bump notes, clearly Trump does not say this is 130 00:08:56,555 --> 00:09:08,155 Speaker 1: still a secret. Listen to that part of it very carefully. Now, President, 131 00:09:08,195 --> 00:09:10,875 Speaker 1: I could now I can't you know, but this is 132 00:09:12,075 --> 00:09:15,635 Speaker 1: That is not Trump saying this is still a secret. 133 00:09:15,915 --> 00:09:19,795 Speaker 1: That is Trump saying, but this is classified. There is 134 00:09:19,835 --> 00:09:24,195 Speaker 1: a huge difference between those two things. A secret is 135 00:09:24,315 --> 00:09:28,715 Speaker 1: seventh grade and Becky Nelson classified is up to ten 136 00:09:28,795 --> 00:09:34,155 Speaker 1: years in jail. But this is classified. That makes me 137 00:09:34,275 --> 00:09:36,475 Speaker 1: wonder how such a big mistake could have been made 138 00:09:36,555 --> 00:09:41,115 Speaker 1: by prosecutors, especially when it's a mistake that hurts their case. 139 00:09:41,955 --> 00:09:44,155 Speaker 1: The only thing I can figure is we know there 140 00:09:44,195 --> 00:09:48,915 Speaker 1: are two different recordings of that confession, and the recording 141 00:09:48,955 --> 00:09:52,435 Speaker 1: that was leaked on Monday must not be the one 142 00:09:52,555 --> 00:09:55,715 Speaker 1: prosecutors have, or at least not the one they transcribed 143 00:09:55,755 --> 00:10:00,075 Speaker 1: from Two iPhones on a desk will produce different clarity 144 00:10:00,115 --> 00:10:04,515 Speaker 1: depending on where everybody speaking is positioned at any given moment. 145 00:10:05,035 --> 00:10:07,595 Speaker 1: It may have been clear on one recording and not 146 00:10:07,795 --> 00:10:11,955 Speaker 1: on the other. And somehow the one on which it 147 00:10:12,035 --> 00:10:14,755 Speaker 1: was clear got released to the public and the one 148 00:10:14,795 --> 00:10:17,955 Speaker 1: that it wasn't clear on got released to Jack Smith. 149 00:10:18,635 --> 00:10:22,555 Speaker 1: And that leads into another true bit of speculation that 150 00:10:22,595 --> 00:10:25,155 Speaker 1: I offered here Tuesday. Remember when I said it could 151 00:10:25,195 --> 00:10:27,395 Speaker 1: be worse for Trump only in one way if there 152 00:10:27,395 --> 00:10:31,075 Speaker 1: were a video, and I noted that assumes there isn't video. 153 00:10:31,995 --> 00:10:34,595 Speaker 1: A friend noted last night that in his first interview 154 00:10:34,675 --> 00:10:37,315 Speaker 1: Tuesday with Fox about what he was heard saying on 155 00:10:37,355 --> 00:10:40,515 Speaker 1: the tape. Trump's comment was, quote, what did I say 156 00:10:40,555 --> 00:10:46,235 Speaker 1: wrong on those recordings? I didn't even see the recording. Wait, 157 00:10:46,315 --> 00:10:50,595 Speaker 1: he didn't even see it. It's an audio tape. It's 158 00:10:50,635 --> 00:10:53,795 Speaker 1: a recording, an audio recording. It's not video. What is 159 00:10:53,835 --> 00:11:00,715 Speaker 1: there to see? It's not video, isn't it. I still think, yes, 160 00:11:00,755 --> 00:11:03,955 Speaker 1: it's only audio, two microphones. You know, maybe we could 161 00:11:03,955 --> 00:11:07,715 Speaker 1: simulate stare and put it out as an LP. Trump 162 00:11:07,795 --> 00:11:10,875 Speaker 1: does say weird stuff like this all the time where 163 00:11:10,875 --> 00:11:15,475 Speaker 1: he conflates human senses. I didn't even see the recording. 164 00:11:15,515 --> 00:11:20,035 Speaker 1: Could easily mean I didn't even consume or process the recording, 165 00:11:21,715 --> 00:11:26,435 Speaker 1: or or there's also a video here and we haven't 166 00:11:26,515 --> 00:11:36,235 Speaker 1: seen that yet. A couple of other Trump confession tape 167 00:11:36,235 --> 00:11:40,595 Speaker 1: related notes. The Times had another story about the Special 168 00:11:40,635 --> 00:11:45,635 Speaker 1: Council subpoena in Trump surveillance footage from Bedminster, where, of course, 169 00:11:45,675 --> 00:11:49,595 Speaker 1: the confession tape drama played out. They quote fought a 170 00:11:49,715 --> 00:11:53,235 Speaker 1: pitched battle with mister Trump's lawyers late last year over 171 00:11:53,315 --> 00:11:56,475 Speaker 1: how best to search the New Jersey property and the 172 00:11:56,515 --> 00:12:01,835 Speaker 1: ex Trump mouthpiece Tim PARLATORI told CNN that Boris Epstein, 173 00:12:02,715 --> 00:12:05,515 Speaker 1: you know, one of the guys Giuliani is singing about 174 00:12:06,035 --> 00:12:11,075 Speaker 1: Boris Epstein quote attempted to interfere with the Bedminster search. 175 00:12:11,235 --> 00:12:14,515 Speaker 1: According to Parlatory, this goes back to the theory from 176 00:12:14,595 --> 00:12:16,955 Speaker 1: Ryan Goodman of Just Security that there will be another 177 00:12:17,115 --> 00:12:20,635 Speaker 1: round of Trump indictments stemming from the brandishing of the 178 00:12:20,675 --> 00:12:25,115 Speaker 1: Milli Iran document in Bedminster. It also refutes the Trump 179 00:12:25,195 --> 00:12:28,675 Speaker 1: apologists nonsense that the confession tape is irrelevant because Trump 180 00:12:28,715 --> 00:12:32,795 Speaker 1: has not been specifically indicted for the Milli document. Firstly, 181 00:12:32,835 --> 00:12:36,275 Speaker 1: that audio goes to prove Trump revealed stuff like this 182 00:12:37,035 --> 00:12:41,875 Speaker 1: all the time. Secondly, he hasn't been charged for revealing 183 00:12:41,875 --> 00:12:45,755 Speaker 1: the Milli plan. Give Jack Smith a little time on that, 184 00:12:45,875 --> 00:12:49,915 Speaker 1: won't you. And there is another ancillary story here, and 185 00:12:49,955 --> 00:12:52,235 Speaker 1: I missed it as it happened in real time Tuesday, 186 00:12:52,275 --> 00:12:55,595 Speaker 1: and it is from the judge Michael Luttig, the conservative 187 00:12:55,595 --> 00:12:58,235 Speaker 1: who has been more personally pained by the last eight 188 00:12:58,315 --> 00:13:01,875 Speaker 1: years even than Liz Cheney. Luddig brought us back to 189 00:13:01,915 --> 00:13:04,595 Speaker 1: the likelihood of Trump being indicted for the fake elector's 190 00:13:04,715 --> 00:13:09,435 Speaker 1: scheme via a very unexpected path, via the Supreme Court 191 00:13:09,515 --> 00:13:13,635 Speaker 1: ruling on Moore v. Harper. We know Judge Lutig told 192 00:13:13,675 --> 00:13:18,795 Speaker 1: CNN the independent state legislature theory was the centerpiece of 193 00:13:18,835 --> 00:13:22,675 Speaker 1: that effort to overturn the twenty twenty presidential election. If 194 00:13:22,755 --> 00:13:25,395 Speaker 1: I were Jack Smith or the Attorney General of the 195 00:13:25,475 --> 00:13:28,835 Speaker 1: United States, the judge said, I believe I would have 196 00:13:28,995 --> 00:13:31,835 Speaker 1: needed that decision from the Supreme Court of the United 197 00:13:31,835 --> 00:13:36,075 Speaker 1: States in order to proceed with charges against the former 198 00:13:36,115 --> 00:13:39,835 Speaker 1: president and his allies and compatriots in connection with the 199 00:13:39,955 --> 00:13:45,915 Speaker 1: January sixth events. In other words, Luddig thinks Smith was 200 00:13:46,115 --> 00:13:50,435 Speaker 1: delaying a decision on indicting on the fake electors scheme 201 00:13:50,995 --> 00:13:53,715 Speaker 1: until the Supreme Court deciding on a case that might 202 00:13:53,755 --> 00:13:57,155 Speaker 1: have lent validity to the premise that states could overrule 203 00:13:57,195 --> 00:14:00,355 Speaker 1: their own voters any damn way they pleased and sent 204 00:14:00,395 --> 00:14:04,515 Speaker 1: in their own electors as they so desired. Happily, the 205 00:14:04,555 --> 00:14:09,595 Speaker 1: Court ruled against independent state legislature theory, and thus Luddog 206 00:14:09,635 --> 00:14:12,635 Speaker 1: didn't say this, but one has to infer that Luddock 207 00:14:12,755 --> 00:14:24,475 Speaker 1: thinks that Smith will now yeah proceed. Two other Trump 208 00:14:24,555 --> 00:14:29,275 Speaker 1: notes dementia. Jay Trump sued e Gene Carroll back yesterday, 209 00:14:29,635 --> 00:14:33,155 Speaker 1: claiming she defamed him after the Manhattan jury ruled he 210 00:14:33,235 --> 00:14:35,275 Speaker 1: was liable to the amount of five million dollars for 211 00:14:35,395 --> 00:14:38,995 Speaker 1: sexually abusing her. Carol went on CNN the day of 212 00:14:39,035 --> 00:14:41,515 Speaker 1: that verdict and was asked about the jury's decision that 213 00:14:41,515 --> 00:14:45,115 Speaker 1: Trump was not liable for raping her. She said quote, 214 00:14:45,155 --> 00:14:48,115 Speaker 1: oh yes he did. Oh yes he did. And Trump 215 00:14:48,235 --> 00:14:53,155 Speaker 1: now claims that is her defaming him. This leads me 216 00:14:53,275 --> 00:14:55,875 Speaker 1: to repeat something I have heard from every lawyer I 217 00:14:55,915 --> 00:15:00,875 Speaker 1: have ever talked to about approximately anything. How in the 218 00:15:00,955 --> 00:15:05,475 Speaker 1: hell does Donald Trump prove that anything that anybody has 219 00:15:05,555 --> 00:15:12,195 Speaker 1: said about him could possibly damage his reputation? What reputation 220 00:15:12,275 --> 00:15:17,235 Speaker 1: would that be? And the last punchline to the whole day, 221 00:15:17,675 --> 00:15:22,795 Speaker 1: Trump had yet another online meltdown about something new. Quote 222 00:15:23,515 --> 00:15:27,355 Speaker 1: three people in New Hampshire asked me why Fox News 223 00:15:27,635 --> 00:15:32,315 Speaker 1: uses such horrible pictures of me when doing or promoting 224 00:15:32,355 --> 00:15:43,795 Speaker 1: a story. The coloring, distortions, everything are just so bad, Donald, Sorry, 225 00:15:44,315 --> 00:15:56,875 Speaker 1: but that's your face. Also of interest to us here, 226 00:15:56,955 --> 00:16:01,075 Speaker 1: Trump's trojan horse RFK Junior crashes and burns. If you 227 00:16:01,115 --> 00:16:04,515 Speaker 1: are trying to avoid being found out as a trojan horse, 228 00:16:04,955 --> 00:16:07,675 Speaker 1: as a chaos agent so out of control, there is 229 00:16:07,715 --> 00:16:11,115 Speaker 1: concerned you might be part of this year's Russian surprise, 230 00:16:11,315 --> 00:16:15,315 Speaker 1: Do not do not try to sell merch from the 231 00:16:15,355 --> 00:16:18,195 Speaker 1: campaign by putting out a tweet with a photo of 232 00:16:18,235 --> 00:16:21,355 Speaker 1: a woman onto whom you have photoshopped to Kennedy twenty 233 00:16:21,395 --> 00:16:26,635 Speaker 1: twenty four hoodie without also photoshopping all the building signs 234 00:16:26,795 --> 00:16:30,275 Speaker 1: and street signs seen behind her, so they don't show 235 00:16:31,075 --> 00:16:34,915 Speaker 1: all the names and words on the streets and the 236 00:16:34,995 --> 00:16:39,875 Speaker 1: signs in Russian. Hell, the damn hoodie might as well 237 00:16:39,915 --> 00:16:47,035 Speaker 1: say that's next. This is countdown. This is countdown with 238 00:16:47,235 --> 00:17:00,395 Speaker 1: Keith Olberman. Postscripts to the news, some headlines, some updates, 239 00:17:00,395 --> 00:17:05,315 Speaker 1: some snarks, some predictions. Dateline Clearwater, Florida and the performance 240 00:17:05,395 --> 00:17:08,995 Speaker 1: artist and former strip club cocktail waitress who calls herself 241 00:17:09,275 --> 00:17:13,675 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna, the esteemed representative of the Florida 242 00:17:13,795 --> 00:17:18,755 Speaker 1: thirteenth Congressional district. She was born Anna Paulina Meyerhoffer and 243 00:17:18,835 --> 00:17:21,995 Speaker 1: her mother's maiden name was Todd, and at various times 244 00:17:21,995 --> 00:17:24,955 Speaker 1: she's claimed she was raised as a Messianic Jew or 245 00:17:24,995 --> 00:17:27,715 Speaker 1: that all of her family is from Mexico and that 246 00:17:27,795 --> 00:17:30,275 Speaker 1: her grandmother was a heroin addict who died from AIDS. 247 00:17:30,355 --> 00:17:32,635 Speaker 1: But she was raised in the welfare system and she 248 00:17:32,715 --> 00:17:35,715 Speaker 1: had nannies and her uncle questioned her biography, so she 249 00:17:35,795 --> 00:17:38,675 Speaker 1: tried to get an injunction against him for stalking. She's 250 00:17:38,795 --> 00:17:44,355 Speaker 1: George Santos in address. Well, George Santos is George Santos 251 00:17:44,355 --> 00:17:49,675 Speaker 1: in address I'm speaking metaphorically AnyWho. Luna is setting herself 252 00:17:49,755 --> 00:17:52,795 Speaker 1: up far to the right of the Boberts and the Greens, 253 00:17:52,915 --> 00:17:55,875 Speaker 1: and one of her first targets is any right to abortion, 254 00:17:56,435 --> 00:17:59,155 Speaker 1: and another is strong opposition to the use of human 255 00:17:59,235 --> 00:18:02,995 Speaker 1: stem cells in medical research. She gave an interview with 256 00:18:03,275 --> 00:18:06,475 Speaker 1: One America News two years ago in which she said, 257 00:18:06,475 --> 00:18:09,795 Speaker 1: of some stem cell use, quote, it's not okay, it's 258 00:18:09,875 --> 00:18:12,555 Speaker 1: morally wrong. It's not done in the name of science. 259 00:18:12,595 --> 00:18:15,475 Speaker 1: And frankly, if you're going to do human testing, that 260 00:18:15,675 --> 00:18:20,435 Speaker 1: makes us no better than Nazis unquote, well be Congressional 261 00:18:20,475 --> 00:18:26,715 Speaker 1: financial disclosures of and Paulina Todd Meyerhoffer, Gamborski Luna are out, 262 00:18:26,875 --> 00:18:29,435 Speaker 1: and the website raw Story has reviewed them, and it 263 00:18:29,475 --> 00:18:33,235 Speaker 1: reports that Luna's husband has a stock investment between one 264 00:18:33,235 --> 00:18:42,075 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen thousand dollars in Lineage Sell Therapeutics. And 265 00:18:42,315 --> 00:18:46,635 Speaker 1: what do they do over there at Lineage Sell Therapeutics 266 00:18:46,795 --> 00:18:49,915 Speaker 1: Why the company says it is pioneering a new branch 267 00:18:49,955 --> 00:18:55,195 Speaker 1: of medicine based on transplanting specific cell types to patients 268 00:18:55,195 --> 00:18:58,515 Speaker 1: with serious medical conditions. And where does it get said 269 00:18:58,675 --> 00:19:02,195 Speaker 1: sell types? You suppose find them on the street. Do 270 00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:07,835 Speaker 1: they know they get them from human embryos? The congresswoman 271 00:19:07,995 --> 00:19:23,955 Speaker 1: is avoiding comments. Thank you, Nancy Faus Dateline, Los Angeles. 272 00:19:24,075 --> 00:19:28,195 Speaker 1: Let's meet Manuel Johnson. Now, your big time screwball Bible 273 00:19:28,275 --> 00:19:31,515 Speaker 1: streaming shows and newscasts, you're Laura Ingram's and your one 274 00:19:31,555 --> 00:19:34,795 Speaker 1: American newses and your seven hundred clubs. They can get 275 00:19:34,795 --> 00:19:38,715 Speaker 1: your top shelf profits as guests on their shows. The 276 00:19:38,755 --> 00:19:42,475 Speaker 1: ones who actually talk to God, the Julie Greens and 277 00:19:42,555 --> 00:19:46,315 Speaker 1: the pastor Mark Burns's and Pat Robertson before he croaked. 278 00:19:46,315 --> 00:19:49,555 Speaker 1: Those types they gone those shows. The lesser shows like 279 00:19:49,675 --> 00:19:53,195 Speaker 1: those of Kelsey O'Malley, who is on Facebook and has 280 00:19:53,235 --> 00:19:57,435 Speaker 1: twenty five hundred followers. She's stuck with prophet Manuel Johnson. 281 00:19:58,195 --> 00:20:00,115 Speaker 1: I don't know what he claims, but I'm telling you 282 00:20:00,635 --> 00:20:04,755 Speaker 1: he does not talk to God. Maybe maybe he he 283 00:20:04,755 --> 00:20:08,075 Speaker 1: gets c seed on God's emails. Who knows, But he 284 00:20:08,115 --> 00:20:11,555 Speaker 1: winds up on Kelsey O'Malley's show talking about how a 285 00:20:11,595 --> 00:20:14,155 Speaker 1: bunch of the B grade evangelicals went out to Mount 286 00:20:14,235 --> 00:20:17,635 Speaker 1: Rushmore because they just knew that Trump's face, while not 287 00:20:17,795 --> 00:20:22,595 Speaker 1: carved there in the stone, is carved there in the spirits. 288 00:20:22,915 --> 00:20:25,715 Speaker 1: They have a photo not at all doctored, of Trump's 289 00:20:25,715 --> 00:20:28,955 Speaker 1: face drawn on a cloud. You can tell it's Trump 290 00:20:28,995 --> 00:20:32,995 Speaker 1: because he's also holding up our plans to bomb Tehran. Anyway, 291 00:20:33,755 --> 00:20:36,755 Speaker 1: we think Manuel Johnson and his crew went to Mount 292 00:20:37,075 --> 00:20:42,715 Speaker 1: Rushmore because Mount Rushmore is not what he said to 293 00:20:42,915 --> 00:20:44,435 Speaker 1: Kelsey O'Malley, we. 294 00:20:44,395 --> 00:20:47,995 Speaker 2: Had to go to Rush Mountain and I they'll show 295 00:20:48,035 --> 00:20:50,955 Speaker 2: a picture there because it has something to do. 296 00:20:51,435 --> 00:20:53,715 Speaker 1: Did you hear it? 297 00:20:53,835 --> 00:20:55,715 Speaker 2: We had to go to Rush. 298 00:20:55,475 --> 00:21:00,955 Speaker 1: Mountain, Rush Mountmore. They saw Trump's head above the carvings 299 00:21:00,955 --> 00:21:05,675 Speaker 1: that Rush Mountmore as preserved for by the good folks, 300 00:21:05,675 --> 00:21:10,755 Speaker 1: that people for the American ways right wing. Watch Rush Mountmore. 301 00:21:11,635 --> 00:21:16,235 Speaker 1: You remember that was one of Rush Limbaugh's nicknames. And 302 00:21:16,315 --> 00:21:20,195 Speaker 1: what did your genial host, Kelsey O'Malley think of all this? 303 00:21:20,675 --> 00:21:24,875 Speaker 2: His face may not be carved there in stone, but 304 00:21:24,995 --> 00:21:28,595 Speaker 2: it is carved there in the spirit. Mmmm. 305 00:21:28,995 --> 00:21:35,315 Speaker 1: Wow, well said Kelsey O'Malley. Wow. Indeed, praise the Lord 306 00:21:36,555 --> 00:21:55,595 Speaker 1: and say wow to Rush Mountmore still ahead. He had 307 00:21:55,635 --> 00:21:59,075 Speaker 1: demanded we change something in the format of countdown. We 308 00:21:59,155 --> 00:22:01,555 Speaker 1: did it once, it wasted about and I don't know 309 00:22:01,555 --> 00:22:04,435 Speaker 1: about a thousand man hours in one afternoon, and it 310 00:22:04,475 --> 00:22:06,795 Speaker 1: was impossible to do it again, and the staff threatened 311 00:22:06,795 --> 00:22:10,235 Speaker 1: to work walk away, so we just dropped it. Not 312 00:22:10,355 --> 00:22:12,835 Speaker 1: only did he never notice that we dropped it, but 313 00:22:12,915 --> 00:22:15,995 Speaker 1: a year later he still believed that that format change, 314 00:22:16,035 --> 00:22:18,755 Speaker 1: the one he demanded, was the reason the show had 315 00:22:18,755 --> 00:22:22,035 Speaker 1: become successful. It's a story I still don't believe about 316 00:22:22,035 --> 00:22:24,395 Speaker 1: a guy I still don't believe was actually the president 317 00:22:24,635 --> 00:22:29,675 Speaker 1: of MSNBC and CNN. Coming up first, the daily roundup 318 00:22:29,675 --> 00:22:32,115 Speaker 1: of the miss Grants, morons and Dunning Kruger effect specimens 319 00:22:32,115 --> 00:22:35,755 Speaker 1: who constitute today's worst persons in the world. The Bronze 320 00:22:35,795 --> 00:22:39,875 Speaker 1: Robert F. Kennedy Junior, the unstable man being manipulated by 321 00:22:39,915 --> 00:22:43,275 Speaker 1: right wingers to run a trojan horse, vaxer and conspiracy 322 00:22:43,315 --> 00:22:47,475 Speaker 1: theory campaign challenging Biden for the Democratic nomination. If you 323 00:22:47,555 --> 00:22:49,915 Speaker 1: have any questions about what this is all about or 324 00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:53,195 Speaker 1: who might be behind it, they were answered yesterday afternoon 325 00:22:53,435 --> 00:22:57,875 Speaker 1: when the campaign tweeted out a promotion for kennedy campaign merchandise, 326 00:22:58,395 --> 00:23:00,675 Speaker 1: complete with a photo of a young woman walking down 327 00:23:00,675 --> 00:23:03,395 Speaker 1: a street in a Kennedy twenty twenty four hoodie. But 328 00:23:03,555 --> 00:23:07,315 Speaker 1: there was something off about the images behind the young 329 00:23:07,355 --> 00:23:11,555 Speaker 1: woman a coffee shop with strange lettering on the sign, 330 00:23:11,995 --> 00:23:15,435 Speaker 1: street signs with equally strange lettering, And then in the replies, 331 00:23:15,555 --> 00:23:19,195 Speaker 1: the same photo was shown, only that same woman in 332 00:23:19,275 --> 00:23:22,115 Speaker 1: that same photo was wearing a hoodie with a word 333 00:23:22,715 --> 00:23:28,515 Speaker 1: on it in cyrillic letters. It's a stock photo, a 334 00:23:28,595 --> 00:23:32,795 Speaker 1: Russian stock photo with a Kennedy logo superimposed over the 335 00:23:32,875 --> 00:23:36,515 Speaker 1: Russian logo on the hoodie. The campaign deleted the tweet 336 00:23:36,515 --> 00:23:40,915 Speaker 1: without explanation. They should delete the goddamn campaign without explanation. 337 00:23:41,595 --> 00:23:45,195 Speaker 1: The runners up wacko Congressman Nancy Mace of South Carolina 338 00:23:45,235 --> 00:23:48,675 Speaker 1: congratulating a local bus system on getting twenty five million 339 00:23:48,715 --> 00:23:52,595 Speaker 1: dollars in federal funding, which she fails to mention she 340 00:23:52,715 --> 00:23:55,715 Speaker 1: voted against when it appeared in the Biden twenty twenty 341 00:23:55,795 --> 00:23:59,435 Speaker 1: one infrastructure bill that provided all the money. Alabama sentator 342 00:23:59,475 --> 00:24:02,995 Speaker 1: Tommy I'm all ears Tubberville did the same thing, tweeting 343 00:24:03,235 --> 00:24:06,315 Speaker 1: broadband is vital for this excess of our rural communities. 344 00:24:06,515 --> 00:24:09,515 Speaker 1: Great to see Alabama receive crucial funds. He too voted 345 00:24:09,515 --> 00:24:13,275 Speaker 1: against it in the Senate, but unlike Mace, President Biden 346 00:24:13,315 --> 00:24:16,075 Speaker 1: did not let him waltz away from this. Biden sub 347 00:24:16,155 --> 00:24:20,795 Speaker 1: tweeted him twelve thousand retweets seventy five thousand likes Biden's 348 00:24:20,835 --> 00:24:26,115 Speaker 1: message to Tubberville, see you at the groundbreaking of all ears. 349 00:24:26,755 --> 00:24:30,755 Speaker 1: But our winner Grant Haber of Kenelon, New Jersey Town. 350 00:24:30,795 --> 00:24:34,195 Speaker 1: Officials there say Haber thought that that grove of thirty 351 00:24:34,235 --> 00:24:37,915 Speaker 1: two large trees just ruined his clear view of how 352 00:24:37,955 --> 00:24:40,835 Speaker 1: the sunrise would light up the distant New York City 353 00:24:40,875 --> 00:24:45,475 Speaker 1: skyline like so much gold. So he had the thirty 354 00:24:45,475 --> 00:24:48,155 Speaker 1: two tall trees, some of them one hundred and fifty 355 00:24:48,235 --> 00:24:51,515 Speaker 1: years old, cut down, which is a pretty damned obnoxious 356 00:24:51,555 --> 00:24:55,035 Speaker 1: thing to do. Then again, mister Haber founded his own 357 00:24:55,115 --> 00:24:58,315 Speaker 1: munitions company, American Innovations, and he has been a guest 358 00:24:58,315 --> 00:25:00,795 Speaker 1: on one American News. But wait, it's worse than this. 359 00:25:01,675 --> 00:25:05,435 Speaker 1: Those were not his trees on his seven eighth mountaintop 360 00:25:05,475 --> 00:25:09,635 Speaker 1: property in Jersey. Those were his neighbor's trees. Fully one 361 00:25:09,755 --> 00:25:12,075 Speaker 1: quarter of the trees on the property of his neighbor, 362 00:25:12,475 --> 00:25:16,475 Speaker 1: Sami Shinwei who says he is heartbroken, of course naturally, 363 00:25:16,555 --> 00:25:19,835 Speaker 1: mister Shinwei also says he volunteers with the New Jersey 364 00:25:19,875 --> 00:25:24,795 Speaker 1: State Woodland Management program. The town contends this Haber guy 365 00:25:25,235 --> 00:25:27,675 Speaker 1: hired somebody to cut the trees down and just left 366 00:25:27,675 --> 00:25:30,275 Speaker 1: them there. So far the city has charged him with 367 00:25:30,395 --> 00:25:34,155 Speaker 1: nine counts of illegal tree removal, and the online hearing 368 00:25:34,195 --> 00:25:36,675 Speaker 1: Tuesday was so packed there was a lengthy delay to 369 00:25:36,755 --> 00:25:39,715 Speaker 1: sign on, and the prosecutor couldn't even sign on. The 370 00:25:39,795 --> 00:25:42,435 Speaker 1: hearing's been delayed till July eighteenth while they work on 371 00:25:42,475 --> 00:25:46,915 Speaker 1: more bandwidth. Senator Tuberville. Anyway, Haber could be fined one 372 00:25:46,955 --> 00:25:53,635 Speaker 1: thousand dollars per felled tree, plus charged with replacing them 373 00:25:53,675 --> 00:25:58,755 Speaker 1: with transplanted trees of similar heights because the trees were 374 00:25:58,835 --> 00:26:01,435 Speaker 1: far in from the street and neighbor believes that a 375 00:26:01,515 --> 00:26:05,515 Speaker 1: temporary road will have to be built on Hayes's property 376 00:26:05,675 --> 00:26:08,875 Speaker 1: just to get the thirty two partially grown replacement trees 377 00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:12,875 Speaker 1: to the location of the arboricide. And between the costs 378 00:26:12,875 --> 00:26:15,235 Speaker 1: of that new road and the new trees, and the 379 00:26:15,275 --> 00:26:17,915 Speaker 1: two years of maintenance also required by the law there, 380 00:26:18,275 --> 00:26:22,195 Speaker 1: mister Haber may wind up paying as much as one 381 00:26:22,835 --> 00:26:28,955 Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand dollars Grant. Guess that's what they mean 382 00:26:28,995 --> 00:26:32,435 Speaker 1: when they say the view is priceless. Haber two days 383 00:26:33,355 --> 00:27:04,555 Speaker 1: worst person in the world. Just ahead, somebody asked me, 384 00:27:04,715 --> 00:27:07,915 Speaker 1: Yesked today, why so many TV executives seem to be idiots? 385 00:27:08,555 --> 00:27:12,995 Speaker 1: I answered seem I tried to explain. The best I 386 00:27:12,995 --> 00:27:14,595 Speaker 1: could do is explain that none of them seemed to 387 00:27:14,675 --> 00:27:18,795 Speaker 1: understand that you couldn't always make people or things successful 388 00:27:18,875 --> 00:27:21,835 Speaker 1: on TV, so instead all the executives try to project 389 00:27:21,875 --> 00:27:25,875 Speaker 1: this image of infallible, inscrutable genius. And then I said, 390 00:27:25,955 --> 00:27:27,555 Speaker 1: never mind that. Let me just tell you about one 391 00:27:27,555 --> 00:27:30,275 Speaker 1: of the many stories I know about the former CNN 392 00:27:30,395 --> 00:27:34,915 Speaker 1: and MSNBC president Rick Kaplan. I'll tell you that story next. 393 00:27:34,955 --> 00:27:37,395 Speaker 1: First time to feature another dog in need that you 394 00:27:37,475 --> 00:27:40,155 Speaker 1: can help. Every dog has its day. Duke is a 395 00:27:40,235 --> 00:27:44,515 Speaker 1: handsome black and tan, newtered four year old Doberman pincher. 396 00:27:44,875 --> 00:27:47,915 Speaker 1: He is immaculately behaved and very obedient, and he will 397 00:27:47,915 --> 00:27:51,195 Speaker 1: do anything for praise and affection. Better if he lives 398 00:27:51,235 --> 00:27:54,915 Speaker 1: with calm, large dogs or no other dogs, but most importantly, 399 00:27:54,955 --> 00:27:57,435 Speaker 1: better if he lives he is on the kill list 400 00:27:57,515 --> 00:28:00,555 Speaker 1: right now at yet another overcrowded shelter, ready to end 401 00:28:00,595 --> 00:28:03,915 Speaker 1: his life because for some reason he is unhappy in 402 00:28:04,915 --> 00:28:07,915 Speaker 1: well death row of prison. He's at the Baldwin Park 403 00:28:07,955 --> 00:28:11,195 Speaker 1: Animal Care Center in California. You can be adopted from there, 404 00:28:11,555 --> 00:28:13,875 Speaker 1: or your pledges can help defray the costs for a 405 00:28:13,915 --> 00:28:16,115 Speaker 1: rescue to pull him out and save him. Look for 406 00:28:16,195 --> 00:28:18,475 Speaker 1: Duke on my Twitter feeds and your retweet will really 407 00:28:18,515 --> 00:28:26,195 Speaker 1: help too. I thank you, and Duke thanks you. Finally 408 00:28:26,235 --> 00:28:28,115 Speaker 1: to the number one story on the Countdown and my 409 00:28:28,195 --> 00:28:31,515 Speaker 1: favorite topic, me and things I promised not to tell. 410 00:28:31,835 --> 00:28:36,995 Speaker 1: And tomorrow is seventeen years since this former MSNBC president, 411 00:28:37,115 --> 00:28:39,675 Speaker 1: Rick Kaplan, the guy who once chased me around the 412 00:28:39,715 --> 00:28:43,395 Speaker 1: studios threatening to kill me because he was squeamish and 413 00:28:43,435 --> 00:28:47,555 Speaker 1: I had mentioned blood on the air, blew any remaining 414 00:28:47,555 --> 00:28:49,595 Speaker 1: credibility he had with us because he didn't know what 415 00:28:49,755 --> 00:28:53,835 Speaker 1: was live and what was on delay. However, this story 416 00:28:53,995 --> 00:28:59,755 Speaker 1: starts in the men's room at MSNBC. It is February seventeenth, 417 00:28:59,755 --> 00:29:03,035 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, at one of those moronic corporate 418 00:29:03,155 --> 00:29:07,035 Speaker 1: speak town halls. The bosses have just introduced Rick Kaplan 419 00:29:07,075 --> 00:29:09,435 Speaker 1: as the new president of the network. Kaplan speaks for 420 00:29:09,435 --> 00:29:13,155 Speaker 1: an hour without interruption or breath. He does not mention 421 00:29:13,875 --> 00:29:16,515 Speaker 1: that he was the president of CNN when it's nineteen 422 00:29:16,595 --> 00:29:19,035 Speaker 1: year streak at number one in the cable news ratings 423 00:29:19,075 --> 00:29:22,395 Speaker 1: came to a crashing end. He does, however, mention that 424 00:29:22,395 --> 00:29:26,235 Speaker 1: he is six feet seven inches tall, but he does 425 00:29:26,235 --> 00:29:30,515 Speaker 1: not seem to be six feet seven inches tall. As 426 00:29:30,555 --> 00:29:33,475 Speaker 1: this nonsense ends, I rush into the men's room and find, 427 00:29:33,555 --> 00:29:40,275 Speaker 1: to my amusement, Joe Scarborough, Chris Matthews, Jesse Ventura, Lester Holt, 428 00:29:40,995 --> 00:29:46,035 Speaker 1: and one unoccupied urinol. As I moved to occupy it, 429 00:29:46,035 --> 00:29:49,715 Speaker 1: it dawns on me that Ventura, the former professional wrestler, 430 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:53,635 Speaker 1: is the shortest man in the bathroom, at six feet two. 431 00:29:55,235 --> 00:29:58,675 Speaker 1: All five of us are silent. Finally, Matthews says it, 432 00:29:59,155 --> 00:30:01,195 Speaker 1: Helen Hell, can he say six foot seven? He's barely 433 00:30:01,195 --> 00:30:03,795 Speaker 1: taller than I am and I'm six four? Ohroon, are 434 00:30:03,795 --> 00:30:07,155 Speaker 1: you slightly taller than You're slightly shorter than me? How 435 00:30:07,235 --> 00:30:11,555 Speaker 1: is he six seven? Everybody keeps looking forward, of course, 436 00:30:11,675 --> 00:30:15,395 Speaker 1: into the wall in front of us. I'm six three 437 00:30:15,395 --> 00:30:17,995 Speaker 1: and a half. Lester, he's your height. I saw you 438 00:30:18,075 --> 00:30:20,315 Speaker 1: standing with him, you tour even what are you six ' five. 439 00:30:21,155 --> 00:30:25,915 Speaker 1: Lester says, uh huh and flushes. Scarborough chimes in, I'm 440 00:30:26,035 --> 00:30:28,915 Speaker 1: just over sixty four. We're almost dyed. Aye, he's not 441 00:30:29,115 --> 00:30:33,755 Speaker 1: six seven. Finally, Ventura speaks, I've been thrown around a 442 00:30:33,835 --> 00:30:36,475 Speaker 1: ring by guys who were six to seven. This guy's 443 00:30:36,515 --> 00:30:41,155 Speaker 1: not six seven. From the sink, Lester Holt now says, 444 00:30:41,475 --> 00:30:44,075 Speaker 1: have any of you known anybody our height who lies 445 00:30:44,555 --> 00:30:48,835 Speaker 1: and says they're taller? Matthews again, who lies about their height? 446 00:30:49,635 --> 00:30:54,235 Speaker 1: I flush this guy does. Gentlemen, we are in trouble 447 00:30:54,315 --> 00:30:59,155 Speaker 1: here for the presidency of Rick Kaplan at MSNBC. That 448 00:30:59,275 --> 00:31:02,595 Speaker 1: might have been sorry, I can't resist it the high 449 00:31:02,635 --> 00:31:07,715 Speaker 1: water mark. Later, on Friday, March fifth, two thousand and four, Kaplan, 450 00:31:07,755 --> 00:31:10,475 Speaker 1: who had been there three weeks, assembled the hosts and 451 00:31:10,555 --> 00:31:12,875 Speaker 1: producers of the primetime shows on the network that would 452 00:31:12,875 --> 00:31:17,395 Speaker 1: have been me, Scarborough, Dan Abrams, our staffs, the new 453 00:31:17,475 --> 00:31:20,435 Speaker 1: Jersey staff of Chris Matthews Show, and he told us 454 00:31:20,435 --> 00:31:23,915 Speaker 1: that the next day was going to be Monday. Somebody 455 00:31:23,915 --> 00:31:27,795 Speaker 1: from Scarborough's staff helpfully corrected him and mister Kaplan, I'm sorry, 456 00:31:27,835 --> 00:31:32,115 Speaker 1: tomorrow is Saturday. Kaplan sternly explained he was now president 457 00:31:32,155 --> 00:31:34,635 Speaker 1: of this network, and we all sucked. And if he 458 00:31:34,715 --> 00:31:38,235 Speaker 1: said today was Friday and tomorrow was Monday, then today 459 00:31:38,355 --> 00:31:41,435 Speaker 1: was Friday and tomorrow was Monday. He wanted to see 460 00:31:41,515 --> 00:31:44,795 Speaker 1: us react to sudden changes in our plans. We were 461 00:31:44,835 --> 00:31:46,955 Speaker 1: being told we were being called into work a sixth 462 00:31:47,075 --> 00:31:52,675 Speaker 1: day tomorrow for no reason. Kaplin then started yelling at us, 463 00:31:52,875 --> 00:31:56,115 Speaker 1: You guys don't get it. You're all working tomorrow. Anybody 464 00:31:56,155 --> 00:31:58,355 Speaker 1: who doesn't come in is fired. We are going to 465 00:31:58,395 --> 00:32:01,835 Speaker 1: do the whole pro primetime lineup. Your breaking news is 466 00:32:01,875 --> 00:32:04,675 Speaker 1: today's breaking news, the guilty verdict in the Martha Stone 467 00:32:04,795 --> 00:32:08,235 Speaker 1: word case. Start booking your guests, because tomorrow is Monday, 468 00:32:08,275 --> 00:32:13,955 Speaker 1: not Saturday. Just on my staff, Saturday was supposed to 469 00:32:13,955 --> 00:32:18,315 Speaker 1: be my reporter's engagement party, a surprise party thrown by 470 00:32:18,315 --> 00:32:21,195 Speaker 1: one of my producers for his wife's birthday, and the 471 00:32:21,275 --> 00:32:26,355 Speaker 1: day another producer was closing on buying a house. I 472 00:32:26,395 --> 00:32:28,555 Speaker 1: have a vague memory of what we put on the air. 473 00:32:28,595 --> 00:32:30,355 Speaker 1: I have a stronger memory of the new president of 474 00:32:30,435 --> 00:32:34,835 Speaker 1: MSNBC losing the staffs of all four of his primetime 475 00:32:34,915 --> 00:32:37,715 Speaker 1: shows on his fifth day on the job and never 476 00:32:37,995 --> 00:32:42,475 Speaker 1: ever getting them back. Kaplan then went to a corkboard 477 00:32:42,555 --> 00:32:45,835 Speaker 1: on our office wall, on which our show Rundown was displayed. 478 00:32:46,275 --> 00:32:49,395 Speaker 1: He ordered producers to move segments around, and he berated 479 00:32:49,435 --> 00:32:51,995 Speaker 1: me for not having anticipated his whims and at one 480 00:32:51,995 --> 00:32:54,675 Speaker 1: point he screamed, stop, what the hell are you doing? 481 00:32:55,235 --> 00:32:58,235 Speaker 1: And he got up and he grabbed the pushpin, which 482 00:32:58,275 --> 00:33:00,835 Speaker 1: held up an index card bearing the name of a guest. 483 00:33:01,315 --> 00:33:06,035 Speaker 1: You don't use green pins with yellow index cards. You 484 00:33:06,155 --> 00:33:10,155 Speaker 1: use yellow pins with yellow index cards. What kind of 485 00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:14,755 Speaker 1: a newsman are you. I can't imagine how this guy 486 00:33:14,835 --> 00:33:18,515 Speaker 1: choked away CNN's monopoly on cable news ratings. I was 487 00:33:18,555 --> 00:33:22,395 Speaker 1: reminded recently that later on December eighth, two thousand and five, 488 00:33:22,915 --> 00:33:25,795 Speaker 1: seventeen years ago tomorrow, he did one of the most 489 00:33:25,915 --> 00:33:31,275 Speaker 1: unintentionally funniest things I have ever witnessed. A plane slid 490 00:33:31,315 --> 00:33:34,435 Speaker 1: off the runway at Midway Airport in Chicago. Nothing funny 491 00:33:34,435 --> 00:33:38,275 Speaker 1: about that, obviously, but Kaplan called into our control room 492 00:33:38,315 --> 00:33:41,995 Speaker 1: demanding we changed something about our live coverage that he 493 00:33:42,035 --> 00:33:44,275 Speaker 1: didn't like. We promptly made the change. He was right. 494 00:33:45,195 --> 00:33:47,715 Speaker 1: Five minutes later he called in and started swearing at 495 00:33:47,715 --> 00:33:49,955 Speaker 1: one of our producers. I told you to change that. 496 00:33:50,275 --> 00:33:54,355 Speaker 1: If you you're fired and the producer said, we changed 497 00:33:54,355 --> 00:33:58,435 Speaker 1: it five minutes ago. When you called in silence, Rick, 498 00:33:58,515 --> 00:34:00,755 Speaker 1: are you watching the network on some sort of delay? 499 00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:06,915 Speaker 1: Are you watching on TVO or something? Silence again. Finally 500 00:34:06,955 --> 00:34:09,795 Speaker 1: he said okay, good work, see you tomorrow and hung up. 501 00:34:11,995 --> 00:34:14,555 Speaker 1: He didn't know he was watching it on a delay. 502 00:34:15,435 --> 00:34:17,955 Speaker 1: Kaplan was also one of these forget the mean thing 503 00:34:17,995 --> 00:34:20,675 Speaker 1: I said yesterday. God knows I have kind of guys. 504 00:34:21,235 --> 00:34:23,555 Speaker 1: By Monday, he had heard people laughing at some of 505 00:34:23,555 --> 00:34:27,195 Speaker 1: my on air jokes and his front runner instincts took over. 506 00:34:28,035 --> 00:34:30,395 Speaker 1: He called me and the producer in for a meeting. 507 00:34:30,595 --> 00:34:33,235 Speaker 1: I have only one criticism of your show. Which of 508 00:34:33,275 --> 00:34:35,635 Speaker 1: these stories will you be talking about? Thing is genius? 509 00:34:36,115 --> 00:34:38,395 Speaker 1: The fifth story, the fourth story, then the third story. 510 00:34:38,555 --> 00:34:44,715 Speaker 1: It's original and fresh. I hesitated. I almost said to him, yeah, 511 00:34:44,715 --> 00:34:48,155 Speaker 1: this ale counting thing. We just invented that. The music 512 00:34:48,235 --> 00:34:51,035 Speaker 1: is genius, the graphics are genius. You're a genius, but 513 00:34:51,075 --> 00:34:54,075 Speaker 1: you're missing something obvious, something genius. After each one of 514 00:34:54,115 --> 00:34:56,915 Speaker 1: these stories, after you thank your guest, you should do 515 00:34:56,955 --> 00:34:58,795 Speaker 1: a list of the things you didn't tell us about 516 00:34:58,795 --> 00:35:01,915 Speaker 1: those stories. So like after the fifth story, you should say, 517 00:35:01,955 --> 00:35:04,115 Speaker 1: now here are the other five things we didn't tell 518 00:35:04,155 --> 00:35:06,675 Speaker 1: you about the fifth story, get it a full screen 519 00:35:06,715 --> 00:35:09,275 Speaker 1: graphic and you telling people, and then four things for 520 00:35:09,315 --> 00:35:13,675 Speaker 1: the fourth story, and three for the third. I thought 521 00:35:13,715 --> 00:35:15,595 Speaker 1: for a moment, and I said, Okay, well what happens 522 00:35:15,595 --> 00:35:17,915 Speaker 1: if we make those graphics up? And then a minute beforehand, 523 00:35:17,915 --> 00:35:20,755 Speaker 1: the guest brings up one of those things we claim 524 00:35:20,995 --> 00:35:25,195 Speaker 1: we didn't tell you. When he just told you, we 525 00:35:25,275 --> 00:35:29,275 Speaker 1: had lost Rick Caplin's attention by that point. Hmmm, he grunted. 526 00:35:30,275 --> 00:35:32,795 Speaker 1: For a second. I thought his eyes were pointing outwards 527 00:35:32,795 --> 00:35:36,435 Speaker 1: in different directions, but he snapped himself back into this reality. 528 00:35:36,875 --> 00:35:40,155 Speaker 1: Huh could happen? You'll figure it out anyway, too late 529 00:35:40,155 --> 00:35:41,955 Speaker 1: to do it today, figure it out and do it tomorrow. 530 00:35:41,955 --> 00:35:46,795 Speaker 1: Thanks the producer. And I had to then explain to 531 00:35:46,835 --> 00:35:49,075 Speaker 1: the staff of Countdown that from now on, for every 532 00:35:49,195 --> 00:35:52,515 Speaker 1: story they had to deliberately leave out one or two 533 00:35:52,635 --> 00:35:56,515 Speaker 1: or three or four or five facts or details, something 534 00:35:56,595 --> 00:35:58,955 Speaker 1: interesting enough to be made into a full screen graphic, 535 00:35:58,995 --> 00:36:02,275 Speaker 1: but not interesting enough to be included in their scripts 536 00:36:02,395 --> 00:36:06,315 Speaker 1: or the interviews with the guests. Suddenly I thought a 537 00:36:06,315 --> 00:36:09,435 Speaker 1: lot of people's eyes were pointing outwards in different directions. 538 00:36:10,315 --> 00:36:12,755 Speaker 1: The line producer Greg Kordick, who was in charge not 539 00:36:12,835 --> 00:36:15,555 Speaker 1: of content but of timing things and making sure things 540 00:36:15,595 --> 00:36:18,795 Speaker 1: like graphics got made, said, matter of factly, this will 541 00:36:18,795 --> 00:36:22,875 Speaker 1: add five hours to everybody's workday. And so it did. 542 00:36:24,235 --> 00:36:26,435 Speaker 1: After the next day's show when we listed the top 543 00:36:26,475 --> 00:36:28,515 Speaker 1: five things we didn't tell you about today's fifth story 544 00:36:28,555 --> 00:36:30,075 Speaker 1: and the top four things we didn't tell you about 545 00:36:30,075 --> 00:36:32,995 Speaker 1: today's fourth story, etc. And we had to shorten all 546 00:36:32,995 --> 00:36:35,875 Speaker 1: the scripts and shorten each interview just to make room 547 00:36:35,995 --> 00:36:39,515 Speaker 1: for all of this extraneous crap. Greg the producer said, 548 00:36:40,195 --> 00:36:43,115 Speaker 1: people here will be quitting by Thursday and dying by Monday. 549 00:36:43,195 --> 00:36:45,515 Speaker 1: And I said, you're right. Plus it ruins the interviews 550 00:36:45,515 --> 00:36:47,235 Speaker 1: and it weakens the show. Don't do it tomorrow with 551 00:36:47,315 --> 00:36:51,155 Speaker 1: Kaplan yells, I'll take the eat. So now it's Wednesday. 552 00:36:51,515 --> 00:36:54,315 Speaker 1: And not only don't I hear anything from Kaplin about 553 00:36:54,315 --> 00:36:56,635 Speaker 1: the Tuesday show and his the top five things we 554 00:36:56,675 --> 00:36:59,435 Speaker 1: didn't tell you about today's fifth story, Jazz, but after 555 00:36:59,475 --> 00:37:02,435 Speaker 1: the Wednesday show when we don't do it, I'm sitting 556 00:37:02,475 --> 00:37:05,475 Speaker 1: there waiting for an enraged phone call because we didn't 557 00:37:06,315 --> 00:37:08,835 Speaker 1: Thursday morning at home, I'm waiting for an enraged email 558 00:37:09,315 --> 00:37:14,315 Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, I'm waiting for an enraged Kaplan in person. Nothing. 559 00:37:15,355 --> 00:37:19,315 Speaker 1: He never said a word. The week passes nothing, a month, 560 00:37:19,835 --> 00:37:24,115 Speaker 1: two months, it's summer. Nothing. The rest of two thousand 561 00:37:24,115 --> 00:37:28,395 Speaker 1: and four flies by nothing. We did it once, we 562 00:37:28,475 --> 00:37:34,315 Speaker 1: never did it again, and then he never said anything. 563 00:37:35,435 --> 00:37:37,675 Speaker 1: It is now January two thousand and five, and he 564 00:37:37,675 --> 00:37:39,835 Speaker 1: still hasn't said anything. And I'm told by Phil Griffin, 565 00:37:40,275 --> 00:37:43,915 Speaker 1: my first producer in television sports and sixteen years later, 566 00:37:44,035 --> 00:37:47,315 Speaker 1: my first producer in television news, who has since become 567 00:37:47,355 --> 00:37:50,035 Speaker 1: the vice president of MSNBC, that Kaplan wants to see 568 00:37:50,115 --> 00:37:52,915 Speaker 1: us in his office. It's not a big deal, Phil says, 569 00:37:53,035 --> 00:37:54,835 Speaker 1: he's in a good mood. He just wants to make 570 00:37:54,915 --> 00:37:57,275 Speaker 1: us feel like we have input into his decisions. This 571 00:37:57,435 --> 00:38:00,875 Speaker 1: is a what do you think meeting? Now I have 572 00:38:00,955 --> 00:38:03,395 Speaker 1: to ask you to carefully picture the layout of Rick 573 00:38:03,475 --> 00:38:06,355 Speaker 1: Kaplan's office at m MSNBC in the year two thousand 574 00:38:06,355 --> 00:38:11,715 Speaker 1: and five. Envision a long, narrow room. Baseball's MLB network 575 00:38:11,755 --> 00:38:14,995 Speaker 1: now operates there, and they have cleverly turned Kaplan's office 576 00:38:15,275 --> 00:38:19,275 Speaker 1: into a wardrobe room, perfect since it was really just 577 00:38:19,315 --> 00:38:22,835 Speaker 1: a long closet. Anyways, Rick Kamplan who was six foot 578 00:38:22,875 --> 00:38:24,875 Speaker 1: five but lied and said he was six foot seven, 579 00:38:25,035 --> 00:38:27,435 Speaker 1: sat at the very back of this room. So you 580 00:38:27,475 --> 00:38:29,955 Speaker 1: come in the front door, you turn to your right, 581 00:38:30,475 --> 00:38:34,835 Speaker 1: and maybe thirty thirty five forty feet away from you, 582 00:38:34,875 --> 00:38:38,315 Speaker 1: in the farthest corner, facing his computer on his desk, 583 00:38:38,435 --> 00:38:41,715 Speaker 1: flush against the left hand wall, is the president of MSNBC. 584 00:38:42,755 --> 00:38:45,115 Speaker 1: A few feet into the room is where you sit. 585 00:38:45,995 --> 00:38:49,475 Speaker 1: Halfway between these two points, against the right hand wall 586 00:38:49,875 --> 00:38:53,795 Speaker 1: is where another executive can sit. So Phil Griffin sits there. 587 00:38:55,155 --> 00:38:57,875 Speaker 1: I'm just inside the door. He is fifteen feet ahead 588 00:38:57,875 --> 00:39:00,475 Speaker 1: of me to the right. Rick Kamplan is thirty feet 589 00:39:00,555 --> 00:39:02,955 Speaker 1: or forty feet ahead of me to the left. Picture 590 00:39:03,035 --> 00:39:07,555 Speaker 1: this carefully. These chairs and desks are arranged. If you're 591 00:39:07,595 --> 00:39:11,315 Speaker 1: me and Phil Griffin is looking at you, Rick Kaplan 592 00:39:11,395 --> 00:39:13,915 Speaker 1: can only see the back of Phil Griffin's head and 593 00:39:13,955 --> 00:39:17,035 Speaker 1: not his face. If they are both looking at you, 594 00:39:17,435 --> 00:39:24,035 Speaker 1: they cannot see each other. Weird, seemingly trivial turned out 595 00:39:24,035 --> 00:39:27,595 Speaker 1: to be essential. We begin this meaningless meeting and talk 596 00:39:27,635 --> 00:39:31,075 Speaker 1: about guests and graphics, fonts, and Kaplan talks about how 597 00:39:31,115 --> 00:39:33,675 Speaker 1: much the ratings have gone up in his year as president. 598 00:39:33,715 --> 00:39:36,635 Speaker 1: And finally, I say, I do have one suggestion. I 599 00:39:36,635 --> 00:39:38,555 Speaker 1: think the show is going to be very successful, and 600 00:39:38,595 --> 00:39:40,275 Speaker 1: I think if we want to make any changes, we 601 00:39:40,275 --> 00:39:44,635 Speaker 1: should make them now before it becomes successful. And I say, 602 00:39:45,395 --> 00:39:49,235 Speaker 1: I have never heard anybody say they like the fifth story, 603 00:39:49,555 --> 00:39:53,075 Speaker 1: fourth story, third story stuff. If you want to continue 604 00:39:53,115 --> 00:39:56,915 Speaker 1: the name countdown because people know it by now, that's great, 605 00:39:56,955 --> 00:39:59,795 Speaker 1: I guess. But the five four three two one numbering 606 00:39:59,875 --> 00:40:02,635 Speaker 1: is a conceit and it's a lot of extra work 607 00:40:02,675 --> 00:40:04,435 Speaker 1: for everybody, and I think we should kill it now. 608 00:40:05,675 --> 00:40:12,315 Speaker 1: Kaplan is aghast, he is pale, He is not angry, 609 00:40:12,475 --> 00:40:18,555 Speaker 1: he is just stunned. But you can't do that five 610 00:40:18,635 --> 00:40:20,795 Speaker 1: four three two one is part of the reasons. And 611 00:40:20,835 --> 00:40:23,435 Speaker 1: the ratings went up. The ratings went up when I 612 00:40:23,435 --> 00:40:25,755 Speaker 1: came up with the idea of the top five things 613 00:40:25,795 --> 00:40:28,355 Speaker 1: we didn't tell you about today's top five stories and 614 00:40:28,435 --> 00:40:30,395 Speaker 1: the top four things we didn't tell you about today's 615 00:40:30,555 --> 00:40:34,955 Speaker 1: number four story, et cetera. We can't stop that. That's 616 00:40:34,995 --> 00:40:40,835 Speaker 1: why people watch. My idea took me a split second 617 00:40:40,875 --> 00:40:42,915 Speaker 1: to even remember what the hell it was he was 618 00:40:42,915 --> 00:40:46,195 Speaker 1: talking about. I had forgotten the whole five things we 619 00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:49,875 Speaker 1: didn't tell you Albatross. Weeks after the one show. We 620 00:40:49,995 --> 00:40:52,315 Speaker 1: did it, and then the staff rebelled, and I said, 621 00:40:52,355 --> 00:40:54,195 Speaker 1: screw it, and I'll take the heat. And I was 622 00:40:54,195 --> 00:40:56,915 Speaker 1: about to say this out loud when I suddenly realized 623 00:40:56,915 --> 00:40:59,755 Speaker 1: that Phil Griffin, fifteen feet away on the right, his 624 00:40:59,875 --> 00:41:02,475 Speaker 1: face turned to me and thus invisible to Kaplan thirty 625 00:41:02,475 --> 00:41:04,875 Speaker 1: feet away on the left, was making his eyes as 626 00:41:04,915 --> 00:41:07,875 Speaker 1: wide as possible, and Phil was looking right at me 627 00:41:07,915 --> 00:41:11,995 Speaker 1: and silently mouthing the word no, no, no, no, no, 628 00:41:12,355 --> 00:41:16,155 Speaker 1: all the while keeping his head completely still, so Kaplan 629 00:41:16,275 --> 00:41:21,875 Speaker 1: didn't know he was talking to me. Silently. I got 630 00:41:21,915 --> 00:41:25,115 Speaker 1: Phil's message. I dropped the subject. I didn't say it. 631 00:41:26,235 --> 00:41:28,835 Speaker 1: The meeting ended maybe two minutes later with Kaplan saying 632 00:41:28,915 --> 00:41:31,075 Speaker 1: keep up the good work, and ushering us out by saying, 633 00:41:31,275 --> 00:41:33,115 Speaker 1: and keep up with the top five things we didn't 634 00:41:33,115 --> 00:41:35,475 Speaker 1: tell you about today's five fifth story. Oh that's what's 635 00:41:35,475 --> 00:41:41,115 Speaker 1: making it really cook. When we were out of earshot 636 00:41:41,115 --> 00:41:43,475 Speaker 1: of Rick Kaplan, Griffin thanked me for being able to 637 00:41:43,475 --> 00:41:47,915 Speaker 1: read his panicked lips. I used an oath to liven 638 00:41:48,035 --> 00:41:50,675 Speaker 1: up my question what the blank was that all about? 639 00:41:51,635 --> 00:41:53,835 Speaker 1: And Griffin said, now you know what every day of 640 00:41:53,875 --> 00:41:56,355 Speaker 1: my life has become. It's not worth it to try 641 00:41:56,395 --> 00:41:59,835 Speaker 1: to correct him. He believes what he believes, and he 642 00:41:59,875 --> 00:42:04,035 Speaker 1: won't be checked or contradicted. And I said, we only 643 00:42:04,075 --> 00:42:07,435 Speaker 1: did the five things. We didn't tell you a thing once, 644 00:42:07,715 --> 00:42:11,035 Speaker 1: only once. It's like a year later. How in the 645 00:42:11,115 --> 00:42:16,235 Speaker 1: hell could he possibly think we're still doing it? Griffin laughed, 646 00:42:16,355 --> 00:42:19,275 Speaker 1: like a soldier on a World War One battlefield who 647 00:42:19,315 --> 00:42:22,595 Speaker 1: has just run out of bullets. See that's the problem, buddy. 648 00:42:23,035 --> 00:42:26,235 Speaker 1: He only watches MSNBC here in the office, the place 649 00:42:26,275 --> 00:42:33,235 Speaker 1: he's renting it doesn't have cable. President of MSNBC doesn't 650 00:42:33,275 --> 00:42:38,995 Speaker 1: have cable at home. On June sixth, two thousand and six, 651 00:42:39,035 --> 00:42:41,475 Speaker 1: they fired Rick Caplan as the president of MSNBC. They 652 00:42:41,515 --> 00:42:45,115 Speaker 1: let him resign. They also let him keep his secret, 653 00:42:45,835 --> 00:42:49,115 Speaker 1: the darkest of secrets for him and for MSNBC, that, 654 00:42:49,275 --> 00:42:52,635 Speaker 1: for his two years on the throne, the president of 655 00:42:52,675 --> 00:43:11,115 Speaker 1: an all news cable channel did not have cable. I've 656 00:43:11,115 --> 00:43:12,915 Speaker 1: done all the damage I can do here. Thank you 657 00:43:12,955 --> 00:43:14,915 Speaker 1: for listening. Here are the credits. Most of the music 658 00:43:14,995 --> 00:43:18,235 Speaker 1: arrange produced and performed by Brian Ray and John Phillip Shaneale, 659 00:43:18,475 --> 00:43:21,595 Speaker 1: who are the Countdown musical directors. Guitars based on drums 660 00:43:21,635 --> 00:43:25,275 Speaker 1: by Brian ray All, orchestration and keyboards by John Phillip Schhanel, 661 00:43:25,435 --> 00:43:29,635 Speaker 1: produced by Tko Brothers. Other selections, including the Beethoven music 662 00:43:29,675 --> 00:43:32,635 Speaker 1: we use for the Dog Stories, has been arranged and 663 00:43:32,675 --> 00:43:36,035 Speaker 1: performed by the group No Horns Allowed. The sports music 664 00:43:36,115 --> 00:43:38,315 Speaker 1: is the ould Woman theme from ESPN two. It was 665 00:43:38,355 --> 00:43:42,275 Speaker 1: written by Mitch Warren Davis courtesy of ESPN, incorporated musical 666 00:43:42,315 --> 00:43:46,075 Speaker 1: comments from Nancy Faust, the best baseball stadium organist ever. 667 00:43:46,435 --> 00:43:49,555 Speaker 1: Our announcer today was my friend Larry David. Everything else 668 00:43:49,635 --> 00:43:51,915 Speaker 1: is pretty much my fault. So that's countdown for this, 669 00:43:51,915 --> 00:43:54,875 Speaker 1: the nine hundred and fifth day since Donald Trump's first 670 00:43:54,915 --> 00:43:58,235 Speaker 1: attempted coup against the democratically elected government of the United States. 671 00:43:58,635 --> 00:44:02,195 Speaker 1: Arrest him again while we still can. The next scheduled 672 00:44:02,235 --> 00:44:05,235 Speaker 1: countdown is tomorrow. Till then, I'm Keith Olman. Good morning, 673 00:44:05,235 --> 00:44:08,195 Speaker 1: good afternoon, good night, and good luck. 674 00:44:16,915 --> 00:44:18,955 Speaker 2: We had to go to Rush Mountain. 675 00:44:19,555 --> 00:44:23,515 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Oldman is a production of iHeartRadio. For 676 00:44:23,675 --> 00:44:28,755 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 677 00:44:28,875 --> 00:44:31,035 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.