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Speaker 1: The list is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson show on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is Matt Williamson, and

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Speaker 2: this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. We're going

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Speaker 2: over the list on ESPN of the top ten players

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Speaker 2: at each individual position. They've already done off ball, linebackers,

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Speaker 2: defensive tackles, and what we just talked about the edge rushers.

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Speaker 2: So I thought we'd talk a little defensive tackles now

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Speaker 2: and look over this list. As you can imagine, there's

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Speaker 2: a Steeler on the list, but some of these again,

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to go over this also receiving votes.

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Speaker 2: This is a curious list to me. Grady Jarrett, Eric Armstead,

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Speaker 2: DJ Reader, Draymont Jones, Dalvin, Tomlinson, Ed Oliver and Grover Stewart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some reaches in there.

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Speaker 2: Who on no planet is Grover Stewart should get a

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Speaker 2: top ten vote on this list?

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Speaker 1: Right? We're not making on Grover.

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Speaker 2: Grover was a fine player. You'd be happy to have

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Speaker 2: Grover on your team, all right, But I'd rather vote

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Speaker 2: for Grover the Sesame Street Doll, then the Grover Stewart

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Speaker 2: on a top ten list? Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: Ed Oliver is another one to me, I mean he

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Speaker 1: gets pushed around, he's undersize. They just gave him money

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Speaker 1: that I think they're gonna regret. I like Dalvin Tomlinson,

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Speaker 1: he just got good money too.

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Speaker 2: But he's a those right, right right. Draymond Jones is okay,

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Speaker 2: he's good. Eric Armstead's good. How are these guys getting

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Speaker 2: top ten votes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Er Armstead? The other one was gonna bring up too,

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Speaker 1: like he's okay. I mean he's really Robin. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's not. They go get hard Grave, they had Buckner,

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Speaker 1: they have both, and he's kind of a secondary player, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's the same argument we just have with

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Speaker 2: Alex Higsmith. If Alex Highsmith can't get a single vote

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Speaker 2: in the others receiving votes and those guys do, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. That's just strange to me. Always looking at

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Speaker 2: the guys who just missed the honorable mentions. Christian Wilkins,

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Speaker 2: Vita Vea okay, Kenny Clark fine, Derek Brown and Leonard

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Speaker 2: Williams okay.

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Speaker 1: Clark and Williams okay. I mean, they've had good careers,

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Speaker 1: they've never been stars. They're probably more of a also

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Speaker 1: receiving votes for me, but you know, fair enough, that

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Speaker 1: probably means they just got what two or three votes.

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Speaker 2: More than the multiple votes as opposed to these other

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Speaker 2: guys who probably got one.

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Speaker 1: Mm hm okay, I mean I could see where somebody

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Speaker 1: more than one would put them in their top ten.

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Speaker 1: I get that, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at number ten his highest rankings, number four,

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Speaker 2: lowest ranking is unranked. Last year he was number ten.

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Speaker 2: That's Jonathan Allen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, four scenes high, but he was a bit rich,

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Speaker 1: very disruptive. People don't know how good he is. That's

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Speaker 1: another team that doesn't play with leads much, but he

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Speaker 1: has really good counterparts. Buy him, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Number nine, highest ranking, number three, lowest ranking unranked.

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Speaker 2: Last year he was number five, and that's Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 1: Who has him unranked?

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Speaker 2: That makes no sense to me. And the fact that

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Speaker 2: somebody had him three and somebody else had him three

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Speaker 2: is probably still a bit rich at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, there's greatd tackles in the league.

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Speaker 2: But unranked, unranked, come on, man, yeah, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: and somebody send somebody voted for Grover Stewart, So I

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Speaker 2: mean on Cam Hayward versus Grover Stewart or Dalvin Tomlinson

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Speaker 2: or some of these other guys.

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Speaker 1: Not even close. No, not even close. Again, it's a

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Speaker 1: good group called d lineman in general or loaded in

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Speaker 1: the league right now. But to have him unranked as

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Speaker 1: the little bonkers, here's what they have to say.

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Speaker 2: Hayward continues to defy age better than just about any player,

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Speaker 2: the oldest player in the top ten, pumped out ten

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Speaker 2: and a half sacks last year and is one of

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Speaker 2: four NFL defensive players to make six consecutive Pro Bowls.

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Speaker 2: Here's what a veteran NFL scouts said about it. An

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Speaker 2: instinctive pass rusher, has great strength, still one of the

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Speaker 2: better power rushers. We thought he was starting to decline

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Speaker 2: to decline last year, which is expected, which is to

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Speaker 1: I didn't see that.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that either. Hayward is incredibly durable, missing

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Speaker 2: two games since twenty sixteen. He's a leader of the

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Speaker 2: story of a storage Steelers defense, and his twenty three

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Speaker 2: quarterback hits last year tied a career high. Again, ten

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Speaker 2: some NFL scout thought to Cam Hayward was declining.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right or right without watt on the field and

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Speaker 2: You know right, Uh, here's what Then AFC defensive coach said,

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Speaker 2: he's still got e lead hands where if he gets

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Speaker 2: them on you, he immediately has the advantage. He's a

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Speaker 1: Not arguing that. I mean, his bull rush is still

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Speaker 1: as good as there is in the league. His pursuit

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Speaker 1: changes direction, well, i mean great versus run, versatility up

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Speaker 1: and down the line of scrimmage, you know, all the

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Speaker 1: by the way, he's a great leader. You know how

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Speaker 1: much stock they put in that.

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Speaker 2: But it's also important, yeah, and that those the attributes

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Speaker 2: that he has, the hands and the strength are why

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Speaker 2: he can continue to play at the level that he's

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Speaker 2: played at. Yeah, yeah, for for several years to come here,

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Speaker 2: he's unless he gets unless he under you know, has

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Speaker 2: a major injury.

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Speaker 1: I would say, like a lower body injury where he's

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Speaker 1: well or yeah, get all as well, those type of things, right, because.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to get any weaker. No, his strength

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Speaker 2: at thirty four and his technique is not going to

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Speaker 2: get worse. I mean, I can see I can see

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Speaker 2: Cam Hayward playing another four years.

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Speaker 1: I think playing in fewer snaps going forward would be fruitful, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, correct, Yeah, no, I agree, I agree. It's you know,

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Speaker 2: instead of playing sixty snaps a game in a you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and le Al's in there or you know, even

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Speaker 1: if it's Watts or Benton, and even when you have

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Speaker 1: two defensive tackles on the field, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, moving on to number eight, highest ranking, number two,

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Speaker 2: Last year he was unranked, and that's Deron Pain.

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Speaker 1: He's great, honestly with the Commanders. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: i'd rather Allan or Paine. I mean Pain this is

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Speaker 2: And he's the younger player.

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Speaker 1: Too, younger player, right, I think the year after Allan.

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Speaker 2: I don't see two out of him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, somewhere in that range. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: you put him too in this league. He'd say you

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Speaker 2: he's the second best defensive tackle behind. We know who

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Speaker 1: Moving Donald still right, yeah, over pain.

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Speaker 2: Number seven, highest ranking, three, lowest ranking, unranked. I'm sorry, ninth,

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Speaker 2: number four. That's the Forrest Buckner interesting.

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Speaker 1: I wonder at least open to the suggestion. Might he

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Speaker 1: be starting to decline too. I mean, he's he's taken

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Speaker 1: has the most double team since twenty seventeen besides Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 1: You know, like he was kind of the only show

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Speaker 2: No, he's good football, there's no doubt about that. Number six,

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Speaker 2: highest ranking, four, lowest ranking unranked. Last year he was unranked,

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Speaker 2: and that's dexter Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: I kind of get last year being unranked, But what

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Speaker 1: he did this past year was remarkable. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: a true nose that consistently gets pressure on the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: a star in the making. He's just a little bit unconventional.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's got ninety million dollars over four years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeahah yeah.

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Speaker 2: But he's I mean, I'd rather have him the Vitavea

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Speaker 2: me too, me too, you know, if you're talking about

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Speaker 2: true nose types, No, I would too. Number five, Well,

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Speaker 2: here's another nose type. Highest ranking four, lowest ranking, unranked.

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Speaker 2: He was honorable mention last year. That's Javon Hargrave.

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Speaker 1: So again, I'm gonna give some of these voters at

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Speaker 1: not over Grover, But I do think it's noteworthy, and

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Speaker 1: I think Hardre is tremendous coming off his best year.

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Speaker 1: But he's probably older than some of our listeners realize.

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Speaker 2: He's already twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think he turns turns thirty soon. I

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Speaker 1: just wonder if he'll see every dollar of that contract.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's going to be interesting. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: for him. He's a good guy. You know, obviously a

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Speaker 2: how that would work out. I'm sure they keep Hardgrave,

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Speaker 2: and you know, everybody's happy right now. But it is

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Speaker 1: Those are times. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's a guy that had they, you know,

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Speaker 2: like they didn't want to keep him. They made him

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Speaker 2: an offer. The Eagles offered him more. Yeah, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: the Eagles would I like to have kept him.

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Speaker 2: San Francisco offered more. Yeah. I don't blame the player

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I mean this will be his last big deal,

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Speaker 2: Right, number four, This one was kind of crazy too.

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Speaker 2: Highest ranking two, lowest ranking unranked. Last year he was

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Speaker 2: an honorable mention Quentin Williams.

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Speaker 1: The whole variance between two and unranked is what's crazy

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Speaker 2: That's what I just don't get that. Yeah, especially if

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Speaker 2: you're on here at number four. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: I say, a lot of people probably had you in

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Speaker 1: the top three. If you were at four and somebody

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Speaker 1: and up as probably the norm for him with a

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Speaker 1: couple of stragglers, you know, Yeah, tremendous. There's a couple

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Speaker 1: of these guys, and the same is true. We talk

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Speaker 1: about with the edge, Quentin, Williams, Simmons, you know, like

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with them. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: so physically naturally powerful and they move rare, rare for

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Speaker 1: human being, you know, and now they're coming into their

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Speaker 1: own they're all twenty five ish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's twenty five, number three, also twenty five highest

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Speaker 2: ranking to lowest ranking. Six. Last year's ranking was number two.

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Speaker 2: That's Jeffrey Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Less variants with him than Williams. That's part I

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Speaker 2: I don't get that at all. Maybe because they feel

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Speaker 2: like he's a little more established. I like this. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he asked a lot of the same

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Speaker 2: Those guys go one hundred miles an hour all day long.

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Speaker 2: Your face of your franchise. I mean, you know, Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 2: And you need because he's a he's your he's your

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, they should just show him the ropes

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's like maybe the best defensive player ever

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, so he's the guy that I mean,

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Speaker 3: No, No, I mean that's just the way that works

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Speaker 2: To your football team. Is a member of your football

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Speaker 2: And regardless of pay, Yes, yes, absolutely. Now there may

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Speaker 1: Did him solid exactly exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Like this is a good this is a good place

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Speaker 2: call that kind of stuff. I mean, that's that's that

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Speaker 1: Right, right right, and players know whenever they don't have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think there's value in that. So

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Speaker 2: It's not worthy. I did think you know that the

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean Donald wouldn't have been on that list,

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Speaker 1: Press box, and that one you can vouch for you.

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Speaker 2: I can vouse for that one. This is not hey,

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward doesn't surprise me. I bet he's out there

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: He barely averaged two tackles per game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's low.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I mean everyone just assumes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's now twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's getting a new contract soon too,

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Speaker 2: as the rest of our Steelers Nation shows through your

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Speaker 2: smart speaker. Just say Alexa play Steelers Nation Radio from

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Speaker 2: Alexa will do the rest. Of course, you can get

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Speaker 2: it on the iHeart app as well. But anyways, we're

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Speaker 2: going to take another break. He is Matt Williamson. I'm

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Speaker 2: dale Lalli. We'll be back with more right after this.