Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host
Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,
Speaker 1: and today on this show, we're talking about animal stereotypes.
Speaker 1: The wise owl, the lazy sloth, and the courageous lion.
Speaker 1: How much do these animals live up to their names?
Speaker 1: Or should we not judge a book by its cover
Speaker 1: or a sloth by its algae? Discover this more as
Speaker 1: we answer the age old question is el Stupid? Joining
Speaker 1: me today is host of many podcasts at the un
Speaker 1: Pops podcast Network. Adam Todd Brown.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Hey, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: I asked you what you were interested in talking about,
Speaker 1: and you told me you like sloths, and you've encountered
Speaker 1: some of them recently. H And you think owls are overrated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan of owls. I think we
Speaker 2: could do without them. Know what they bring, They attack
Speaker 2: our hats, they killed Michael Peterson's wife, They're just they're
Speaker 2: just full of problems. Yeah, not a big fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that owl incident, the owl murder. So I assume
Speaker 1: you're in the pocket of big mouse. Uh in your
Speaker 1: anti owl stance. But I think the thing about owls
Speaker 1: is they are a symbol of wisdom, which is an
Speaker 1: interesting choice. I think when you are going to like,
Speaker 1: what bird would you pick instead as a symbol of wisdom,
Speaker 1: because I assume you're you don't really think too highly
Speaker 1: of owls as being the wise the bird of the wisdom.
Speaker 2: Didn't science decide a long time ago that crows are
Speaker 2: actually the smart bird.
Speaker 1: Crows are a smart bird. In fact, much of the
Speaker 1: corvid family is quite smart, including crows, magpies, New Caledonian crows, ravens.
Speaker 1: They are quite a smart family of birds. I would
Speaker 1: say parrots as well. They are seen as kind of goofballs,
Speaker 1: I guess, but they are extremely smart. The African gray
Speaker 1: parrot is one of the smartest birds in terms of
Speaker 1: its ability to learn words, and so yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that a lot like I would say the corvids and
Speaker 1: the parrots are probably among the smartest birds in the world.
Speaker 2: And see, owls seem like they just have a reputation, yeah,
Speaker 2: being smart, but we never get any evidence of it exactly.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Crows, Yeah, like I've read articles where they're like a
Speaker 2: crow can use a gun, but owls that they just
Speaker 2: turn their stupid head all the way around, turn it around.
Speaker 2: That's all they got.
Speaker 1: Falls off, they got to screw back in, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that with well, get into the
Speaker 1: evidence actually in a little bit. But I think the
Speaker 1: rep that owls have for being wise just comes from
Speaker 1: Greek and Roman mythology of Athena and Minerva. It's that
Speaker 1: the Greek and Roman goddess of wisdom, she had an
Speaker 1: owl as her symbol, and she was often pictured with
Speaker 1: an owl like a little owl pet, like some kind
Speaker 1: of like Harry Potter situation minus the transphobia. But so
Speaker 1: I think that, like, I think owls just became affiliated
Speaker 1: with Athena, and thus people are like, well, the owl
Speaker 1: must be smart too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so. I think it just flies,
Speaker 2: It flies and turns its stupid head around and yeah,
Speaker 2: attacks women when they're jogging.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it is a that was one time, Adam,
Speaker 1: just one time. You're never gonna go let that owl
Speaker 1: live it down.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's it's a documented thing. It happens a
Speaker 2: whole lot owls. How owls have a tendency to mistake
Speaker 2: women's hair when it's up for a nest right, and
Speaker 2: they very often attack joggers especially. It's a very common thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not to victim blame, but don't put eggs in
Speaker 1: your hair. I would say that.
Speaker 2: That would probably cut back on the incident. So right
Speaker 2: if women would stop that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stop putting eggs in your hair, ladies.
Speaker 2: Fun women be putting eggs in their hair.
Speaker 1: Women be putting eggs in their hair. So the one
Speaker 1: of the theories in terms of why an owl became
Speaker 1: associated with Athena is that they a lot of these
Speaker 1: small owls just lived in Athens. They're actually called the
Speaker 1: Athenae owls. They're pretty cute, but there's no evidence there
Speaker 1: whyse they just happen to be there and people are
Speaker 1: like owl Athena. They're in Athens, so therefore Athena is
Speaker 1: associated with this owl. There's another theory that like Athena
Speaker 1: was based on an older goddess who was like just
Speaker 1: some goddess that had something to do with birds, and
Speaker 1: then it just sort of got, you know, grandfathered into
Speaker 1: the new goddess. There's a lot of branding that went
Speaker 1: on with the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses that
Speaker 1: I don't fully understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't
Speaker 2: know how a bird could be wise, just in general.
Speaker 2: Even if you're hanging out with a woman who was
Speaker 2: known to be extra smart, you're still just a bird.
Speaker 2: No one's ever gotten advice from an owl. No asking
Speaker 2: an owl of question.
Speaker 1: That kid did that kid did with the sucker on
Speaker 1: that topsy pop commercial, and look what he got, Look
Speaker 1: what he got.
Speaker 2: The owl lied to him.
Speaker 1: Owl lied to it. It is candy. He got nothing.
Speaker 2: That's what they do, that's what they did do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's let's actually take a look at owl
Speaker 1: and elligence, right, because there's there's there's studies so and
Speaker 1: also there are there are some things about owls that
Speaker 1: I think can give the impression of wisdom. But I
Speaker 1: would I'm actually cut like I like owls. I don't
Speaker 1: have an aversion to owls like you do. I'm not
Speaker 1: anti owl, but I just don't think they are particularly smart.
Speaker 1: But they are very interesting. So they have incredibly good eyesight.
Speaker 1: A small amount of light goes a very long way
Speaker 1: for them because they are nocturnal. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I said it, that noctarnal and they hunt at night
Speaker 1: and so their eyes are huge. You can actually if
Speaker 1: you look inside an owl ear, you can see the
Speaker 1: back of their eyeball sort of like through this like
Speaker 1: membrane which is part of the eyelids. So that's that's
Speaker 1: fun and I like that. I don't know, just like
Speaker 1: it's especially important for owls not to use Q tips
Speaker 1: because then they could poke their eye on.
Speaker 2: So they can't even use like the video thing that
Speaker 2: connects to your phone so.
Speaker 1: You can see. Yeah, if you go in, they're liable
Speaker 1: to just bonk right into that eyeball. So they cannot
Speaker 1: rotate their eyes at all in their sockets because they're
Speaker 1: too big. This is actually similar to a primate called
Speaker 1: the tarsier. It's this tiny primate native to Madagascar who
Speaker 1: also evolved eyes so huge that it cannot rotate them
Speaker 1: in its head and it has to swivel its head instead,
Speaker 1: and so it has this a lot of degrees of
Speaker 1: freedom with its neck that a lot of like most
Speaker 1: other mammals, most other primates do not have. And so
Speaker 1: you have this is kind of a you know, a
Speaker 1: similar evolutionary path that this primate took. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: the owls just can see real good at night. So
Speaker 1: you know, good for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for them.
Speaker 1: Lots of animals can out, so they also have an
Speaker 1: addible sense of hearing. They have those big ear holes,
Speaker 1: and the feathers around their ears can help funnel the
Speaker 1: sound into their ears. Also their flat faces. They've got
Speaker 1: that flat face partially so that sound collects in their
Speaker 1: face and like kind of goes into their ears, like
Speaker 1: their faces a sound bowl. And so that's that's why
Speaker 1: they got that look, that flat face look, not just
Speaker 1: because they smack into windows all the time, which they
Speaker 1: do sometimes. I well, this wasn't an owl, but this
Speaker 1: is a raptor. It slammed into my window once dropped
Speaker 1: the quail that it had caught, and they looked so
Speaker 1: embarrassed because it saw that I saw it. Oh sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very embarrassed. And so the ear holes are
Speaker 1: also asymmetrical on the owl, so one is higher than
Speaker 1: the other, which is an interesting feature because it allows
Speaker 1: the owl to triangulate where the sound is coming from.
Speaker 1: So the slight difference in time that the sound is
Speaker 1: hitting its ears allows it to pinpoint where this sound
Speaker 1: is coming from. So that really helps it find like
Speaker 1: a field mouse at night from very far away, So
Speaker 1: its brain is doing some pretty interesting immediate complex calculations
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, this difference in time delay
Speaker 1: and sound. But is that really wisdom? Right, Like we
Speaker 1: do a lot of that kind of innate instinctive calculations
Speaker 1: all the time. Is that wisdom? What do you think
Speaker 1: at them?
Speaker 2: No? I think that's just like an internal process. Humans
Speaker 2: do that also, you know, yeah, probably not to the
Speaker 2: same degree. But we don't have to hunt field mice
Speaker 2: and things of the light, so both that if we
Speaker 2: had to, we would evolve those same features as those
Speaker 2: stupid owls.
Speaker 1: Probably, yeah, exactly like that that little tiny primite. I
Speaker 1: mentioned that the tar sier it's got pretty owl for
Speaker 1: a primate, and so it You know, these are just
Speaker 1: features that when you are nocturnal and a predator and
Speaker 1: you are looking for little things that make little scratchy
Speaker 1: noises and you need to find them and hear them
Speaker 1: and see them, this is all pretty neat, right. The
Speaker 1: owls have some pretty amazing abilities. They can also fly
Speaker 1: very silently, so I think that those kinds of abilities
Speaker 1: might make them seem more clever than they actually are,
Speaker 1: so in terms of their ability to problem solve, right,
Speaker 1: which I feel like the closest test you're gonna get to,
Speaker 1: like is an animal wise is sort of testing its
Speaker 1: cognitive abilities, maybe learning puzzle solving abilities. So there are
Speaker 1: actually a couple studies that have looked into this. It's
Speaker 1: hard to test owls because there's just not like a
Speaker 1: ton of them in captivity. I guess that are available
Speaker 1: for testing.
Speaker 2: Rude, yeah, ude, yeah, owls.
Speaker 1: So there is a study that compares the performance of
Speaker 1: various raptors. So raptors being birds of prey, that in
Speaker 1: their ability to do something called the string pulled task,
Speaker 1: which is there's food on a string and the animal
Speaker 1: has to pull it to get to the food. Pretty
Speaker 1: easy puzzle, but still it requires a little bit of No.
Speaker 1: How sometimes they make the test even a little more tricky, right,
Speaker 1: like there's multiple strings and only one of them is
Speaker 1: attached to the food, you know, a puzzle. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: So there was this study called Raptors Natural History Influences
Speaker 1: their response to the String Pulled Task by Colby Smith
Speaker 1: and Aaron Colbert White. Okay, so a number of raptors
Speaker 1: were tested. There were vultures, hawks, and owls. The owls
Speaker 1: that were tested were a barn owl, a Western screech
Speaker 1: owl and an Eastern screech owl. So three owls. That's
Speaker 1: not a huge sample size, but you know they tried.
Speaker 1: So the study actually mentions each of these birds by name,
Speaker 1: which seems kind of like it violates some rules about
Speaker 1: data anonymization, like you could find this owl and be like,
Speaker 1: I know you sucked at this test, but yeah, their
Speaker 1: names are Tito Cyprus and we.
Speaker 2: Hamish Hamish we Hamish. Oh that's that's that's a name.
Speaker 1: Uh. Also, this was not an owl, but one of
Speaker 1: the turkey vultures tested was named Lord Richard and he
Speaker 1: absolutely killed it. He did great on the string poll task.
Speaker 1: He was a plus bird.
Speaker 2: Lord saw a turkey vulture in person long ago. It's
Speaker 2: a neat bird. They're neat stand in the trees and
Speaker 2: look at you.
Speaker 1: They look at you, but they're they're nice, you know,
Speaker 1: they just like to hang out and he scritch scritch.
Speaker 1: Yeah that stuff, so okay. Onto the owls. We Hamish,
Speaker 1: the Eastern screech owl, completely ignored the test during the
Speaker 1: first two trials. On the third trial, he grabbed the
Speaker 1: string and just kind of flew away, which I guess
Speaker 1: kind of solved it. But I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not really going with the intention of the test.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, a little work around. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I guess that's smart. Yeah of an owl?
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good job we Hamish Cyprus. The Western screech
Speaker 1: owl was a little more clever. She took about twenty
Speaker 1: minutes to solve it, and she was able to pull
Speaker 1: on the string to get to the meat, and she
Speaker 1: became more efficient at it as the trials went on.
Speaker 1: She still wasn't as good as the Turkey vultures, but
Speaker 1: you know she did all right. Tito the barn owl
Speaker 1: just ignored uh it completely. He like glanced at the
Speaker 1: test apparatus once and just zoned out. No interest.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And was he paid? I bet he was paid.
Speaker 1: Still yeah, under the table probably so yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: so the owls in this trial, like one of them
Speaker 1: did pretty well, one of them, I mean kind of
Speaker 1: got it on a technicality, and the third one didn't care,
Speaker 1: just no interest.
Speaker 2: Lowit.
Speaker 1: So there is another Another study conducted in twenty twelve
Speaker 1: in Russia by Obosova at All looked at great gray
Speaker 1: owls and compared their performance on the string poll task
Speaker 1: to corvids and some other bird species that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about them because who cares.
Speaker 1: So they had twelve owls, which, well that's a lot
Speaker 1: of owls, But on all the various string polling tasks,
Speaker 1: the crows outperformed the owls every time. Majority of the
Speaker 1: crows figured out how to return free the food on
Speaker 1: a rope in every puzzle. The study authors concluded that
Speaker 1: the owls were not really detecting a causal relationship between
Speaker 1: the string polling and the food moving in the same
Speaker 1: way that the crows did. So in that study it's
Speaker 1: implied that the owls, you know, they weren't like the
Speaker 1: worst at it, but they certainly were not anywhere near
Speaker 1: as good as the crows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I've always heard is that crows are
Speaker 2: incredibly smart. They are and like can even use simple
Speaker 2: machines like levers and things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the new Caledonian crow especially, it can craft a
Speaker 1: tool out of either wire when it's provided to them
Speaker 1: or in their natural habitat twigs and use it to
Speaker 1: hook food or get to stuff, or in the wild
Speaker 1: that uses it to get at larva that's stuck in trees.
Speaker 2: See that's amazing. Yeah, that that bird deserves the wise title.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, those are like a little bird to Kloma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of the owls are out here doing America's
Speaker 2: best vision commercials and things right now, come on, that
Speaker 2: should be crows, that should be crosed.
Speaker 1: That should be crows. Remember a Sword in the Stone?
Speaker 1: That movie?
Speaker 2: Yeh?
Speaker 1: That there was, like the owl is wise in this one,
Speaker 1: Li lying to us, Yeah, there was also like, what
Speaker 1: is it The Guardians The Owls of Wahooly? What was
Speaker 1: that movie?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: You know there was. I never watched it.
Speaker 2: I kind of know what you're talking about, but I
Speaker 2: also guarantee.
Speaker 1: To look it up because I think I'm getting that
Speaker 1: name wrong. Owl movie. It comes right up. Legend of
Speaker 1: the Guardians, The Owls of Gholy. That's a real movie, folks.
Speaker 1: Came out in twenty ten.
Speaker 2: I did not see that.
Speaker 1: No, I did not. I saw Happy Feet. I did
Speaker 1: not see this movie.
Speaker 2: Oh happy Wasn't that penguins?
Speaker 1: That was penguins. I will sure you could feed me slop,
Speaker 1: absolute slop of a movie. If it's penguins in it,
Speaker 1: I'm watching it.
Speaker 2: Penguins are cool. Pengins are cool literally and figuratively.
Speaker 1: That is true. They do live in cold environments, so
Speaker 1: they are both cold and cool.
Speaker 2: And they do the wattle.
Speaker 1: They waddle they it is very cute. I like a penguin.
Speaker 2: Aren't they monogamous too?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can be. It depends on the species, but
Speaker 1: for like the breeding definitely for a single breeding species, yes,
Speaker 1: they are monogamous. And some species they are monogamous or
Speaker 1: longer and there are like albatrosses are very monogamous. They
Speaker 1: they will stick by each other for a long period
Speaker 1: of time. So yeah, a lot of seabirds are into
Speaker 1: the whole kind of like marriage monogamy things. Yeah, very
Speaker 1: sweet good birds. Yeah yeah. Well okay, so we've dunked
Speaker 1: on owls a lot. We're going to take a quick
Speaker 1: break and when we get back we are going to
Speaker 1: talk about sloths and whether they deserve the lazy reputation
Speaker 1: that they have. So Adam, you have recently encountered sloths
Speaker 1: or at least been able to admire them from afar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took a trip to Costa Rica recently. Wonderful, beautiful,
Speaker 2: really puts the rain and rainforest got them right a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they call it rainforest for a reason. It was very wet.
Speaker 2: But sloths are a big thing in Costa Rica, and
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of different sloth tours and things of
Speaker 2: the like. What I think people would not expect when
Speaker 2: you go on a sloth tour. You think you're going
Speaker 2: to walk in there and just see slaw doing their
Speaker 2: slow version of bouncing around in the trees and whatnot.
Speaker 2: No slows sleep. They just they just sleep forever, especially
Speaker 2: when it's raining. They don't move. So you take these tours.
Speaker 2: You have the option of having a guided tour, or
Speaker 2: you can just go in there and look by yourself.
Speaker 2: And if you just go in looking by yourself, you're
Speaker 2: not going to see a sloth because they just hang
Speaker 2: out in the trees and sleep. So when you take
Speaker 2: this tour, you have a guide and he has this
Speaker 2: telescope that when he finds a sloth, he aims it
Speaker 2: at it and you can use your phone to take
Speaker 2: a picture through telescope. So I saw a sloth, but
Speaker 2: it was just way up in the trees.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then when I when I got back my you
Speaker 2: don't even like this show. Co host Jeff May was like,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a place here in la where you
Speaker 2: can just like hang out with a sloth. It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't I could go to a zoo and do that.
Speaker 2: I don't not try to marry the sloth. I just
Speaker 2: want to see it in its natural habitat, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to see it at a library or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would if there was a sloth library where
Speaker 1: you could like lend out sloths and just hang out
Speaker 1: with a sloth and then return it, that'd be pretty nice.
Speaker 1: I do like them, Yeah, as long as the sloths
Speaker 1: are into it, which they probably would not be so Yeah, sloths, Uh,
Speaker 1: they are incredibly slow and they sleep a lot, and
Speaker 1: the fact that you cannot see them easily on a
Speaker 1: sort of sloth expedition is kind of a feature, not
Speaker 1: a bug of the sloth. Like they they are slow
Speaker 1: moving and they spend a lot of time in trees
Speaker 1: just so that they are not detected by predators. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you're not planning on eating a sloth, I don't think,
Speaker 1: but you know they don't know that. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: you would consider it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, as long as they're not endangered or anything,
Speaker 2: and if they are, as long as it's not too expensive,
Speaker 2: right exactly do you know why sloths only come down
Speaker 2: to the ground for one thing. That's what that is. Poopen, oopen, poopen,
Speaker 2: to take a dump.
Speaker 1: Poopen, And they do it once a week because their
Speaker 1: digestive system is so slow because they eat very tough leaves.
Speaker 1: So yeah, sloths given all this right, Like we like,
Speaker 1: sloths are considered lazy. They're named after, you know, sloth,
Speaker 1: the sin. The word sloth to mean the animal was
Speaker 1: first used in sixteen ten, which is a translation of
Speaker 1: the word uh pregusa, which is Portuguese for slowness. So
Speaker 1: are slows lazy? Like they are certainly slow moving? But like,
Speaker 1: to me, so what how would you define laziness right?
Speaker 2: I I mean laziness to me, I think is just
Speaker 2: kind of sitting around and doing nothing. And I assume
Speaker 2: that's not what sloths are doing because they do need
Speaker 2: to eat, so they yet once a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, laziness is like choosing, choosing inactivity instead
Speaker 1: of being sort of like choosing the easy way out right,
Speaker 1: like choosing sort of you know, like cutting corners, choosing
Speaker 1: the easy way. So, like, let's see if sloths actually
Speaker 1: are that way. So, first of all, what are sloths?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: There are two main families of sloths still living today,
Speaker 1: there's the three toad sloths and the two toad sloths.
Speaker 1: The three toad sloths typically have weirder faces. They have
Speaker 1: the little banded eyeshadow and the wide set eyes. They
Speaker 1: have those little smushed faces. Two toed sloths typically have
Speaker 1: like pink pinkish noses, and their faces tend to be
Speaker 1: kind of more conventionally cute because their eyes are larger,
Speaker 1: their eyes are less like widely spaced.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, which is the one that has the permanent smile?
Speaker 1: That's the three toad slows? I think the one that
Speaker 1: has the it's they have the little smooshed, really weird
Speaker 1: faces and it just looks like they have this big
Speaker 1: smile and their eyes are like a million miles apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's very cute.
Speaker 1: Very very cute. They're both very cute in their own way.
Speaker 1: Two toed slaves have two claws on their four limbs,
Speaker 1: and then the three toad slaws have three claws on
Speaker 1: each of their limbs. The two toed sloths do have
Speaker 1: three claws on their hind limbs, which is a little confusing,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the front limbs have two, whereas for the
Speaker 1: three three toed slaws, their front limbs have three.
Speaker 2: Uh, so take me through this again. Okay, two toed sloth,
Speaker 2: two toes, two.
Speaker 1: Toes front limbs, three toes back three to sloth three
Speaker 1: toes all around everywhere, to drive all around. So they
Speaker 1: actually both of these families of sloths evolved their ability
Speaker 1: to be arboreal, live in trees and to be very
Speaker 1: slow and just hang out there. Independently. They both evolved
Speaker 1: from ground dwelling sloths, some of which got to be
Speaker 1: huge like the giant sloth, and so both of these
Speaker 1: families like independently evolved to live in trees and be
Speaker 1: real slow. And it's thought that the claws that these
Speaker 1: sloths had were originally used for digging, for burrowing, and
Speaker 1: then they just readapted them for hanging on trees like
Speaker 1: these these claws kind of literally work like clothes hangers.
Speaker 1: They just like hoo hook them on the tree, and
Speaker 1: when they are at rest, they just like hang out.
Speaker 1: Both of these families and all the species of sloths
Speaker 1: live in the Americas. There's only two species of two
Speaker 1: toed sloths, so that's easy to remember. And then there's
Speaker 1: five species of toads. I'm sorry about that. It doesn't
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be nice, but no.
Speaker 2: Sense, Yes, no sense.
Speaker 1: And they're distributed throughout Central and South America, and uh so,
Speaker 1: the behavior between the two families of slavs is a
Speaker 1: little different. Two toad sloths, so those are the big
Speaker 1: eyed ones. They are a little more active, They have
Speaker 1: a more varied diet, They are nocturnal, and they travel
Speaker 1: between trees more frequently. They're still pretty slow and pretty
Speaker 1: laid back, but they're just a little more active than
Speaker 1: the three toad sloths, who only feed on a specific
Speaker 1: few types of leaves. They stick to a much smaller
Speaker 1: range of trees. They are diurnal, meaning they're mostly active
Speaker 1: if you can call it that, during the day, and
Speaker 1: are less active in general than the two toad sloths.
Speaker 1: So three toad slaws, the ones with the smushed face
Speaker 1: and the banded eyes. They are the most slothy sloths
Speaker 1: of the sloths.
Speaker 2: We know why sloths are as slow as they are.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we do so. The one thing is that
Speaker 1: they are very slow on the ground, bad walkers on
Speaker 1: the ground, And the reason for that is that their
Speaker 1: limbs have evolved not to walk but to hang, so
Speaker 1: they're pulling. Muscles are really strong and actually when they're
Speaker 1: at rest, they're pulling muscles are engaged, whereas they're pushing,
Speaker 1: muscles are super super weak. So to walk where they
Speaker 1: are like pushing on their legs, like having to push
Speaker 1: up their bodies really bad. They are really really bad crawlers,
Speaker 1: but they're actually decent swimmers because they can like the
Speaker 1: paddling is using the pulling muscles. But as you might
Speaker 1: have observed, they're also really slow in the trees, right,
Speaker 1: They're not like hopping around the trees being you know, right,
Speaker 1: And that's because their metabolism is really, really really slow.
Speaker 1: They eat these very hard to digest leaves that can
Speaker 1: take like ten to thirty days to digest like one
Speaker 1: of these leaves, and so that's why they only poop
Speaker 1: and pea like once a week. And also they they're
Speaker 1: that slowness works out for them in terms of not
Speaker 1: being detected, right, Because they move so slow, they are
Speaker 1: much less noticeable to predators and to tourists who want
Speaker 1: to see them. So it is not a lifestyle that
Speaker 1: they live just because they're lazy, but because of their
Speaker 1: slow metabolism, because of the food they eat, and it's
Speaker 1: actually a good adaptation to prevent predation, right, Like you
Speaker 1: either want to really be able to outrun your predator
Speaker 1: or be so slow the predator doesn't even notice you.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I remember hearing when we
Speaker 2: were in Costa Rica that one of their natural predators
Speaker 2: is a puma and that sometimes a puma will just
Speaker 2: go up in the tree to get slough. Yeah, oh
Speaker 2: that would suck. Yeah anything.
Speaker 1: The thing is, the thing is like it is so
Speaker 1: when they are other than like pumas, which can just
Speaker 1: get up in those trees and look around, Like when
Speaker 1: they're on the ground, they are at their most vulnerable
Speaker 1: because they're much more visible and they're on the ground,
Speaker 1: and they are even less agile on the ground. But
Speaker 1: they still go down the tree to poop every week,
Speaker 1: which you would think that, like the truly lazy thing
Speaker 1: would be just to poop from the tree. Why not
Speaker 1: birds do it a lot of like bats do it
Speaker 1: a lot of like arboreal animals don't descend the tree
Speaker 1: to go poop when they need to. They just poop
Speaker 1: or pee right off the tree. So the fact that
Speaker 1: slows do this to me is kind of the opposite
Speaker 1: of laziness. They are going to a great effort just
Speaker 1: to poop on the ground. And the theory behind that
Speaker 1: is that it's either a social thing, which to me
Speaker 1: is a less strong theory, and the other one is
Speaker 1: that they are actually farming moths. So they have these
Speaker 1: moths that live on their fur and they're so slow,
Speaker 1: they do actually grow algae on their fur. So if
Speaker 1: you've ever seen like sometimes they have kind of a
Speaker 1: green green tint to their fur, that's algae. And there
Speaker 1: are these moths, these mutualistic symbiotic moths that live on
Speaker 1: their fur and eat the algae, and the moths will
Speaker 1: actually there they're excretions or even when the moth dies
Speaker 1: and decays like the the the sort of byproduct of
Speaker 1: these moths is vitamins for the sloth, so they can
Speaker 1: absorb these vitamins from the moths they've after they've eaten
Speaker 1: the algae, and it benefits the sloths. So the ideas
Speaker 1: when the slows go down to poop, the moth larva
Speaker 1: actually lives like near the slow poop and down at
Speaker 1: the base of the tree, and then it crawls up
Speaker 1: onto the sloth and then the sloth is like getting
Speaker 1: a new batch of moths it and then it also
Speaker 1: allows moths to get off the sloth and then complete
Speaker 1: their life cycle by laying eggs in the poop. And
Speaker 1: so it's like this cycle of the moth and the
Speaker 1: sloth sort of having the symbiotic relationship, which to me
Speaker 1: that is that's synergizing, right, that's good business sense. That's
Speaker 1: not lazy, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, not at all. That seems like it
Speaker 2: would have taken some planning.
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: Those sloths would have had to figure that whole thing out,
Speaker 2: like what these moths are doing to eth this algae
Speaker 2: off us? Amazing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just very slowly pulling the cap off of a
Speaker 1: whiteboard marker. Yeah, no, I mean, is one of those
Speaker 1: things where clearly they didn't all come to some kind
Speaker 1: of sloth consensus. It's in it's a evolutionary symbiosis that
Speaker 1: evolved over you know, many many hundreds of thousands of years.
Speaker 1: But it is really interesting because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: just it's this behavior where sloths are going to the
Speaker 1: extra effort to go down to the forest floor, which
Speaker 1: leaves it's both courageous because it leaves them vulnerable and
Speaker 1: it's extra effort and they're doing it so they can
Speaker 1: get their vitamins, which I think is great good for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the lazy tag is maybe not correct
Speaker 2: comes to sloth or just I mean, they're slow, but
Speaker 2: it sounds like they're doing a lot.
Speaker 1: They are for yeah, and they're putting in the works slowly.
Speaker 2: So what if they sleep eighteen hours? What do they
Speaker 2: have to do? They don't have plans, they don't have
Speaker 2: anything to take care.
Speaker 1: I think if we call them lazy because we're jealous
Speaker 1: that they don't have to do things like taxes or
Speaker 1: car payments, you know.
Speaker 2: I am very jealous of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Also also, uh, just one more evidence
Speaker 1: piece of evidence that they are not lazy. So sloth
Speaker 1: copulation lasts around half an hour, so you know the
Speaker 1: fellas are you know, they're they're they're going, they're look,
Speaker 1: they're not unattentive lovers, is what I what I would say.
Speaker 1: They're also polygamous, so they are having to do this
Speaker 1: for multiple lazy sloths, so yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, yeah, nothing lazy about that.
Speaker 1: Nothing lazy about that. And then the mothers have to
Speaker 1: take care of their offspring and their very attentive mothers.
Speaker 1: So I would say when it comes to reproduction, not lazy,
Speaker 1: just you know, like they are. They're putting the effort
Speaker 1: in where where it truly matters. Pooping and mating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and eating. Yeah, what else matters in life?
Speaker 1: Literally, nothing else matters eating, pooping, and mating. That those
Speaker 1: are the only things you need really to be a
Speaker 1: successful animal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Bosts sound like they are a
Speaker 2: successful animal.
Speaker 1: They really are.
Speaker 2: Sol the show in the movies Utopia, remember that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that? Yeah, those I love those guys, those
Speaker 1: little slows. I love the joke that they're slow. I
Speaker 1: like the joke being repeated a few times throughout the movie,
Speaker 1: and it was good every time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like the DMV scene where yeah, little rabbits
Speaker 2: in a hurry and the DMV is fully staffed by sloths.
Speaker 1: It's so it's so true though, right, you know you're
Speaker 1: at the DMV and it's like, man, I've been at
Speaker 1: this DMV for a while, ain't at the.
Speaker 2: Truth And it smells like a jungle in here.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, roasted d be roasted. Man. Those DMV workers
Speaker 1: probably not paid enough, with long days and just exhausted. Anyways,
Speaker 1: So we are going to take a quick break and
Speaker 1: when we get back, we're going to talk about an
Speaker 1: animal that has a very good reputation for being brave.
Speaker 1: But is it all right? So we've talked about how
Speaker 1: Slavs are actually industrious and brave, but what about the lion,
Speaker 1: the courageous lion. Are they actually brave or a bunch
Speaker 1: of pussycats?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: What do you think, Adam? What is your general attitude
Speaker 1: towards the lyons.
Speaker 2: Lions seem like they don't have a lot to be
Speaker 2: afraid of, so I could see them being especially brave.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm being
Speaker 2: set up here. I feel like you're gonna tell me
Speaker 2: they're a bunch of cowards.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna first I'm gonna insult your
Speaker 1: intelligence and be like, Adam, you fool, you fool, like
Speaker 1: that foolish fool. Uh yeah, no, no, this is not
Speaker 1: a trick question. Lions are interesting. I I do think
Speaker 1: they are very complex animals and uh, but first, so
Speaker 1: the for me, the definition of courage is not being
Speaker 1: like omnipotent where you just can crush everything, right like
Speaker 1: if you if you are the strongest animal and you
Speaker 1: have nothing to fear, you're not really being courageous, right,
Speaker 1: because you have nothing to worry about. Courage is when
Speaker 1: you do something kind of you take on a challenge
Speaker 1: that is risky, right, and in like you're facing danger.
Speaker 1: Uh So, I guess you know, we gotta we gotta
Speaker 1: talk about like do lions actually face danger? And if
Speaker 1: they do, are they like a cur especially courageous about it?
Speaker 1: You know? I do want to say that being like
Speaker 1: overly courageous in the animal kingdom will not be rewarded
Speaker 1: because it will usually end up in your genetic lineage
Speaker 1: coming to an abrupt stop. Uh So it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: a good evolutionary trait. But if you're overly cautious, you
Speaker 1: may miss out on feeding, mating, territory opportunities. Right, So
Speaker 1: it's kind of there's a balance.
Speaker 2: Fun, right, miss out on fun?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, Like if if you it's skydiving tiger, have
Speaker 1: you ever seen it? I've never seen it? So you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they should kick back a little more.
Speaker 2: Learn to drive a car, Learn to drive?
Speaker 1: Uh man? Remember in Utopia when the sloth was driving
Speaker 1: a car too fast? Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and they're like, wow,
Speaker 1: who could be speeding? And it's the sloth didn't see
Speaker 1: that come one coming. I didn't see that twist. Come on,
Speaker 1: I got I got blasted in the face with that
Speaker 1: twist because I didn't see it coming. So lions seem
Speaker 1: to know not to take stupid chances with large, dangerous herbivores.
Speaker 1: I think there's sometimes this concept that lions just are
Speaker 1: they've really got it easy because they go around and
Speaker 1: they there's nothing that praise on a lion, right, and
Speaker 1: nothing they got to worry about wrong. Have you seen
Speaker 1: the lion king. They've got lots of problems, lots of drama.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they actually they require a lot of meat
Speaker 1: to maintain their large bodies, and so they have to hunt,
Speaker 1: and hunting is not a risk free operation. In addition
Speaker 1: to exhausting themselves with hunting and not being successful, us
Speaker 1: herbivores will often fight back right, like, they don't want
Speaker 1: to get eaten, So a lot of them will give
Speaker 1: the lions a runt for their money, and they can
Speaker 1: actually maul or kill the lions. So lions really do
Speaker 1: have to be selective about what they hunt, and so
Speaker 1: they do tend to show a little bit of humility
Speaker 1: when faced with adult elephants, hippos, and rhinos. They tend
Speaker 1: to avoid those animals as prey because you know, to me,
Speaker 1: I don't. I would not say that's cowardly. I would
Speaker 1: just say that is smart, that's smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, taking down a hippo seems like it would be
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think taking down a hippo, you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: get crushed. Hippos are not only extremely powerful creatures, they
Speaker 1: are very aggressive. So I mean, like, between a hippo
Speaker 1: and a rhino, I feel like I would be less
Speaker 1: afraid of the rhino. I'd be afraid of both of them,
Speaker 1: but I think I could like I would be more
Speaker 1: likely to escape and encounter with a rhino as long
Speaker 1: as I'm like slow and careful. But a hippo, I
Speaker 1: think it's not gonna matter. A hippo's gonna mess me up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, There's very few things I love more than
Speaker 2: an Internet video of someone just getting wrecked by a
Speaker 2: seemingly calm animal. I think buffalo, Oh, yes, do not approach.
Speaker 1: Do not approach buffalo. They yes, they're an herbivore. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not going to mess you up. Have
Speaker 1: you seen a buffalo? They're yoked, sometimes literally, and they
Speaker 1: got horns their.
Speaker 2: Whole thing is they just want to step on you.
Speaker 1: They can crush you. I mean even deer, even deer
Speaker 1: can mess you up, like, you know, especially male deer.
Speaker 1: They've got like they can gore you with their antlers
Speaker 1: and look as an herbiv war. You've got to like
Speaker 1: constantly be on alert for predators and if they feel
Speaker 1: like they need to chase you off, they will be
Speaker 1: aggressive and they can hurt you. And they will do
Speaker 1: the same thing to lions. Like there have been lions
Speaker 1: that have been killed by would be prey because they
Speaker 1: you know, a bit off more than they could chew,
Speaker 1: uh and they got pummeled and like even just like
Speaker 1: even if they don't immediately die like a wound, right,
Speaker 1: if it gets infected, that can kill a line easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what are they gonna do? Go to the doctor?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not Like, yeah, the lion doctor.
Speaker 2: Not a thing you I've never seen the Lion.
Speaker 1: King really even the animated one.
Speaker 2: Not the animated one, not the live action one, not the.
Speaker 1: Play interesting, there's no doctor in it.
Speaker 2: So yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe the monkey is a doctor.
Speaker 2: Maybe now I guess years of past month, maybe be
Speaker 2: doing something else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, such a lot of has retired franchise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it is, uh, it is, man, I still
Speaker 1: can't believe I haven't seen The Lion King. I think
Speaker 1: that was the first movie I saw in theaters as
Speaker 1: a kid.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Iron King, And I think mine was Star Wars.
Speaker 1: I Burial, Well, yeah no, but Star Wars that's a
Speaker 1: that's essentially the same plot. I think Lion King and
Speaker 1: Star Wars. Hero doesn't want to be a hero, then
Speaker 1: you know, family gets killed, then they gotta.
Speaker 2: Go train And isn't James Earl Jones and The Lion
Speaker 2: King Also.
Speaker 1: James Earl Jones is in The Lion King also, and
Speaker 1: they all both movies. I think there's some bug eating
Speaker 1: probably anyways, Probably the point is there's only one movie
Speaker 1: that's ever been made, so yes, So lions will sometimes
Speaker 1: team up on something like an elephant or a hippo,
Speaker 1: although I think they're very avoidant of hippos, but they
Speaker 1: will if they are part of a team. And so
Speaker 1: female lions will often hunt together and to take down
Speaker 1: larger prey, but female lions can hunt solo as well.
Speaker 1: Male lions do hunt, like the idea that they never hunt,
Speaker 1: and it's just the females hunting and the lazy males
Speaker 1: like stealing their food. It's only partially true. Males definitely hunt.
Speaker 1: They're not above stealing the food that the females have hunted,
Speaker 1: because you know, they're opportunistic, they'll do that, but they
Speaker 1: do hunt, and occasionally they'll actually hunt with other males,
Speaker 1: especially brothers, right, Like, there's sometimes these groups of lions
Speaker 1: that almost form these lion mafias where they go and
Speaker 1: they hunt together. But generally speaking, male lions are more
Speaker 1: likely to hunt on their own, and they're also more
Speaker 1: likely to pick out spots where they are it's low visibility,
Speaker 1: so ambushing their prey, whereas female lions often pick places
Speaker 1: that have higher visibility. But they're hunting together, so they're
Speaker 1: using kind of true teamwork to make the dream work
Speaker 1: where it's the male lions are ambushing their their prey,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's fun. It's all fungible. Lions
Speaker 1: are flexible.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, I didn't know that about male lions.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that they hunt less than female lions.
Speaker 2: It sounds smart though, because yeah, just steal the food when.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that's that. Yeah, and it depends, right, Like,
Speaker 1: in some cases, the male allions may be hunting just
Speaker 1: as much as the females, but if they can steal
Speaker 1: food for like, male lions are larger than females, so
Speaker 1: they can sometimes steal food from females, so they will, right,
Speaker 1: So it's it's just which is not like you know,
Speaker 1: it's all all these lions are making calculations to try
Speaker 1: to enhance their survival. So I wouldn't say the male
Speaker 1: allions are just scumbags.
Speaker 2: And so when these male lions go out hunting together,
Speaker 2: would you say that they in that moment have formed
Speaker 2: an alliance? Yes, gave myself some A plus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that was you got you got me?
Speaker 2: I walked into that alliance you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no alliance yeah lions. Well that's true. Where it's
Speaker 1: the lions do. No, it's I don't think they do.
Speaker 1: I don't think they do. You got you roasted these
Speaker 1: lions so bad, so you know, this is the only
Speaker 1: competition in which we can beat lions just roasting them.
Speaker 1: So yes, So far lions aren't exactly courageous, right, they
Speaker 1: don't take risks that they don't need to take. Males
Speaker 1: will fight each other for mating opportunities, but they they
Speaker 1: don't really like if they can avoid a fight, they will,
Speaker 1: So they'll square up right and see if they can
Speaker 1: determine if there's a clear winner, because neither of them
Speaker 1: necessarily want to engage in the fight, even the one
Speaker 1: that's bigger and would win, because it could still get injured.
Speaker 1: So they'll they'll like square up, see if there's like
Speaker 1: a clear winner, and if there's not, then they're just
Speaker 1: not gonna they're gonna have to fight. But if there
Speaker 1: is a clear winner, then they might like disengage because
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, why why would I just
Speaker 1: like brashly go into a fight if it could be
Speaker 1: avoided by kind of predetermining who's probably gonna win. But
Speaker 1: they're also not above sneakiness in fight, so sometimes males
Speaker 1: will sneak up on other males in order to try
Speaker 1: to ambush them. Sometimes they'll form coalitions alliances and uh,
Speaker 1: and they will attack lions. So you know this is
Speaker 1: not they're not I don't think they are, like particularly
Speaker 1: particularly brave. Lions don't actually per, so that's not a
Speaker 1: good pun. I suck. Yeah, if you can roar, Actually
Speaker 1: you can't per but if you can purr, you generally
Speaker 1: can't roar. It has something to do with the structure
Speaker 1: of the larynx. Is it is you know, cool caf act.
Speaker 2: Peperds or is it leopards or cheatahs that like kitty cats.
Speaker 1: Cheatah is mew. In fact, they chirp. It's very cute.
Speaker 1: It's very very very adorable. Cheetahs. They make little chrippy
Speaker 1: like sounds. It's adorable. So yeah, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: they just I don't think that they are cowards, right,
Speaker 1: I think lions face a lot of danger. In fact,
Speaker 1: especially male allions, like they have a very like they
Speaker 1: have a life where they are drifters. Often they have
Speaker 1: to go and they try to find a pride. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they get kicked out. Females are more likely to kind
Speaker 1: of remain the core group of a pride of lions
Speaker 1: and that lasts for generations, whereas males kind of drift
Speaker 1: in and out and come in and get kicked out.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they can even get voted out by the female
Speaker 1: lions if they don't like them. They just like the
Speaker 1: female lions are like, all right, we've had enough of them,
Speaker 1: and then they all kick them out together. So it's
Speaker 1: just like lions kind of have a there's a lot
Speaker 1: of politics involved. There's a lot of danger they face
Speaker 1: from their prey that their prey is going to try
Speaker 1: to fight back against them. So yeah, they lead a
Speaker 1: pretty perilous life on the edge. And I don't think
Speaker 1: they're particularly courageous because I don't think that they like
Speaker 1: to take huge risks. But I don't think they're cowards.
Speaker 1: I think that they they face a lot of danger,
Speaker 1: and so I think they're just as vulnerable as many
Speaker 1: other animals, right, Like we think of them as these
Speaker 1: strong like they have nothing to worry about, but they've
Speaker 1: got tons of worries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I never thought about thing. We're just getting
Speaker 2: in a fight. Like you, you automatically think a lion's
Speaker 2: gonna win, and it probably is. But then yeah, it's
Speaker 2: gonna go back and die from sepsis, right, exactly wound
Speaker 2: it got. So that's smarter them to avoid a fight.
Speaker 2: One of the easiest ways to die in a human
Speaker 2: fight is to punch a person and put your hand
Speaker 2: on their tooth. Oh yeah, that'll turn into an affection
Speaker 2: back in.
Speaker 1: The old days, man, No, I know. But it also
Speaker 1: likes there can be human fights that like someone punches someone,
Speaker 1: they hit their head and they're like, you know, oh,
Speaker 1: fight's over, but then they then they just die because
Speaker 1: like brain injuries are so serious and it's I think
Speaker 1: that like, you know, there's this movies have really changed
Speaker 1: our understanding of fights and injuries and like recuperation time,
Speaker 1: as well as video games right where it's just like
Speaker 1: you get into this horrible, bloody fight and then maybe
Speaker 1: you have to take a day off and then you're back,
Speaker 1: You're back at it again. Yeah, not true for lions.
Speaker 1: Not true for human beings either.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely not.
Speaker 1: Well. Before we go, we gotta play a game called
Speaker 1: the Mystery Animal Sound Game. Every week I play Mystery
Speaker 1: Animal sound in you the listener, and you the guests,
Speaker 1: try to guess who is making that sound. I do
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta mea kopa. Last the week before last week,
Speaker 1: there was a winner for the Mystery Animal saund game.
Speaker 1: Who I forgot to name it is Grant w round
Speaker 1: of applause. Who who the bearded bell bird as the
Speaker 1: sound that we played? You are correct? I forgot whoopsie
Speaker 1: diddles to mention you quick. Good job. So okay. Last
Speaker 1: week's hint different animal. I already gave you the hint
Speaker 1: during the episode actually the last two weeks. If you
Speaker 1: were if you have been listening to the podcast, you
Speaker 1: should probably know who this is. Adam. You just you
Speaker 1: gotta go and blind, you gotta you get no hints,
Speaker 1: so just try to figure out what is making this
Speaker 1: sounds to me? Sure, all right, Adam, you got any guesses?
Speaker 2: Is that a rabbit that's so close?
Speaker 1: But no, it's a cicada?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So see I was I was actually going
Speaker 2: to guess that, but I thought we were just going animals.
Speaker 1: Cicketa's is animals, okay? And science?
Speaker 2: So set science? That is set science or science.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm a I'm a professor doctor of science, and
Speaker 1: I say cicadas is animals. Rocks are some kind of vegetable.
Speaker 1: Cicadas are an animal. So if you want to learn
Speaker 1: more about cicadas, you can listen to the past two
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Speaker 1: It was about the last time we had a huge
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Speaker 1: about the current one happening now. Trillions of cicadas emerging
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Speaker 1: I don't know how to use tiktoks. Guys, I'm not cool.
Speaker 1: I suck at it. Nevertheless, that's that's where you can
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Speaker 1: antial sound. The hint is this all's well, that ends well?
Speaker 1: All right? Any gifts is at him Harry Er. No,
Speaker 1: but good guess you know you hustled, you put, you
Speaker 1: put in, you put in the effort, you put in
Speaker 1: the hustle. It is a good guess. Uh, it is wrong.
Speaker 1: You don't win anything. You wouldn't have won anything even
Speaker 1: if you had guessed right. So you know.
Speaker 2: Oh then I'm glad I wasn't right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you think you know who's making that sound,
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