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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on this show, we're talking about animal stereotypes.

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Speaker 1: The wise owl, the lazy sloth, and the courageous lion.

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Speaker 1: How much do these animals live up to their names?

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Speaker 1: Or should we not judge a book by its cover

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Speaker 1: or a sloth by its algae? Discover this more as

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Speaker 1: we answer the age old question is el Stupid? Joining

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Speaker 1: me today is host of many podcasts at the un

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Speaker 1: Pops podcast Network. Adam Todd Brown.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Hey, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: I asked you what you were interested in talking about,

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Speaker 1: and you told me you like sloths, and you've encountered

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Speaker 1: some of them recently. H And you think owls are overrated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan of owls. I think we

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Speaker 2: could do without them. Know what they bring, They attack

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Speaker 2: our hats, they killed Michael Peterson's wife, They're just they're

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Speaker 2: just full of problems. Yeah, not a big fan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that owl incident, the owl murder. So I assume

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Speaker 1: you're in the pocket of big mouse. Uh in your

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Speaker 1: anti owl stance. But I think the thing about owls

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Speaker 1: is they are a symbol of wisdom, which is an

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Speaker 1: interesting choice. I think when you are going to like,

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Speaker 1: what bird would you pick instead as a symbol of wisdom,

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Speaker 1: because I assume you're you don't really think too highly

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Speaker 1: of owls as being the wise the bird of the wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Didn't science decide a long time ago that crows are

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Speaker 2: actually the smart bird.

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Speaker 1: Crows are a smart bird. In fact, much of the

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Speaker 1: corvid family is quite smart, including crows, magpies, New Caledonian crows, ravens.

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Speaker 1: They are quite a smart family of birds. I would

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Speaker 1: say parrots as well. They are seen as kind of goofballs,

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Speaker 1: I guess, but they are extremely smart. The African gray

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Speaker 1: parrot is one of the smartest birds in terms of

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Speaker 1: its ability to learn words, and so yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that a lot like I would say the corvids and

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Speaker 1: the parrots are probably among the smartest birds in the world.

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Speaker 2: And see, owls seem like they just have a reputation, yeah,

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Speaker 2: being smart, but we never get any evidence of it exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Crows, Yeah, like I've read articles where they're like a

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Speaker 2: crow can use a gun, but owls that they just

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Speaker 2: turn their stupid head all the way around, turn it around.

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Speaker 2: That's all they got.

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Speaker 1: Falls off, they got to screw back in, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that with well, get into the

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Speaker 1: evidence actually in a little bit. But I think the

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Speaker 1: rep that owls have for being wise just comes from

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Speaker 1: Greek and Roman mythology of Athena and Minerva. It's that

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Speaker 1: the Greek and Roman goddess of wisdom, she had an

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Speaker 1: owl as her symbol, and she was often pictured with

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Speaker 1: an owl like a little owl pet, like some kind

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Speaker 1: of like Harry Potter situation minus the transphobia. But so

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Speaker 1: I think that, like, I think owls just became affiliated

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Speaker 1: with Athena, and thus people are like, well, the owl

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so. I think it just flies,

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Speaker 2: It flies and turns its stupid head around and yeah,

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Speaker 2: attacks women when they're jogging.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it is a that was one time, Adam,

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Speaker 1: just one time. You're never gonna go let that owl

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's it's a documented thing. It happens a

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Speaker 2: whole lot owls. How owls have a tendency to mistake

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Speaker 2: women's hair when it's up for a nest right, and

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Speaker 2: they very often attack joggers especially. It's a very common thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not to victim blame, but don't put eggs in

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Speaker 1: your hair. I would say that.

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Speaker 2: That would probably cut back on the incident. So right

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Speaker 2: if women would stop that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stop putting eggs in your hair, ladies.

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Speaker 2: Fun women be putting eggs in their hair.

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Speaker 1: Women be putting eggs in their hair. So the one

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Speaker 1: of the theories in terms of why an owl became

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Speaker 1: associated with Athena is that they a lot of these

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Speaker 1: small owls just lived in Athens. They're actually called the

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Speaker 1: Athenae owls. They're pretty cute, but there's no evidence there

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Speaker 1: whyse they just happen to be there and people are

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Speaker 1: associated with this owl. There's another theory that like Athena

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Speaker 1: then it just sort of got, you know, grandfathered into

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Speaker 1: the new goddess. There's a lot of branding that went

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Speaker 1: I don't fully understand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how a bird could be wise, just in general.

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Speaker 2: Even if you're hanging out with a woman who was

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Speaker 2: known to be extra smart, you're still just a bird.

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Speaker 2: No one's ever gotten advice from an owl. No asking

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Speaker 2: an owl of question.

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Speaker 1: That kid did that kid did with the sucker on

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Speaker 1: that topsy pop commercial, and look what he got, Look

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Speaker 1: what he got.

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Speaker 2: The owl lied to him.

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Speaker 1: Owl lied to it. It is candy. He got nothing.

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Speaker 2: That's what they do, that's what they did do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's let's actually take a look at owl

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Speaker 1: and elligence, right, because there's there's there's studies so and

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Speaker 1: also there are there are some things about owls that

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Speaker 1: I think can give the impression of wisdom. But I

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Speaker 1: would I'm actually cut like I like owls. I don't

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Speaker 1: have an aversion to owls like you do. I'm not

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Speaker 1: anti owl, but I just don't think they are particularly smart.

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Speaker 1: But they are very interesting. So they have incredibly good eyesight.

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Speaker 1: A small amount of light goes a very long way

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Speaker 1: for them because they are nocturnal. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I said it, that noctarnal and they hunt at night

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Speaker 1: and so their eyes are huge. You can actually if

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Speaker 1: back of their eyeball sort of like through this like

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Speaker 1: membrane which is part of the eyelids. So that's that's

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Speaker 1: fun and I like that. I don't know, just like

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Speaker 1: it's especially important for owls not to use Q tips

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Speaker 2: So they can't even use like the video thing that

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Speaker 1: You can see. Yeah, if you go in, they're liable

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Speaker 1: to just bonk right into that eyeball. So they cannot

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Speaker 1: too big. This is actually similar to a primate called

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Speaker 1: the tarsier. It's this tiny primate native to Madagascar who

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Speaker 1: also evolved eyes so huge that it cannot rotate them

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Speaker 1: the owls just can see real good at night. So

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Speaker 1: you know, good for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good for them.

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Speaker 1: Lots of animals can out, so they also have an

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Speaker 1: addible sense of hearing. They have those big ear holes,

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Speaker 1: and the feathers around their ears can help funnel the

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Speaker 1: sound into their ears. Also their flat faces. They've got

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Speaker 1: their faces a sound bowl. And so that's that's why

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Speaker 1: because they smack into windows all the time, which they

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Speaker 1: do sometimes. I well, this wasn't an owl, but this

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Speaker 1: is a raptor. It slammed into my window once dropped

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Speaker 1: the quail that it had caught, and they looked so

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Speaker 1: embarrassed because it saw that I saw it. Oh sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the other, which is an interesting feature because it allows

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Speaker 1: the owl to triangulate where the sound is coming from.

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Speaker 1: So the slight difference in time that the sound is

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Speaker 1: its brain is doing some pretty interesting immediate complex calculations

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Speaker 2: No? I think that's just like an internal process. Humans

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Speaker 2: and things of the light, so both that if we

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Speaker 2: had to, we would evolve those same features as those

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Speaker 1: Probably, yeah, exactly like that that little tiny primite. I

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Speaker 1: owls have some pretty amazing abilities. They can also fly

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Speaker 2: Rude, yeah, ude, yeah, owls.

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Speaker 1: So there is a study that compares the performance of

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Speaker 1: How sometimes they make the test even a little more tricky, right,

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Speaker 1: were tested. There were vultures, hawks, and owls. The owls

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Speaker 1: So the study actually mentions each of these birds by name,

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Speaker 1: Uh. Also, this was not an owl, but one of

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Speaker 1: the turkey vultures tested was named Lord Richard and he

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Speaker 1: absolutely killed it. He did great on the string poll task.

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Speaker 1: laid back, but they're just a little more active than

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00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: the three toad sloths, who only feed on a specific

434
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: few types of leaves. They stick to a much smaller

435
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: range of trees. They are diurnal, meaning they're mostly active

436
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: if you can call it that, during the day, and

437
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: are less active in general than the two toad sloths.

438
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: So three toad slaws, the ones with the smushed face

439
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: and the banded eyes. They are the most slothy sloths

440
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: of the sloths.

441
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: We know why sloths are as slow as they are.

442
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we do so. The one thing is that

443
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: they are very slow on the ground, bad walkers on

444
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: the ground, And the reason for that is that their

445
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: limbs have evolved not to walk but to hang, so

446
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: they're pulling. Muscles are really strong and actually when they're

447
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: at rest, they're pulling muscles are engaged, whereas they're pushing,

448
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: muscles are super super weak. So to walk where they

449
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: are like pushing on their legs, like having to push

450
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: up their bodies really bad. They are really really bad crawlers,

451
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: but they're actually decent swimmers because they can like the

452
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: paddling is using the pulling muscles. But as you might

453
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: have observed, they're also really slow in the trees, right,

454
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: They're not like hopping around the trees being you know, right,

455
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: And that's because their metabolism is really, really really slow.

456
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: They eat these very hard to digest leaves that can

457
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: take like ten to thirty days to digest like one

458
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: of these leaves, and so that's why they only poop

459
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: and pea like once a week. And also they they're

460
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: that slowness works out for them in terms of not

461
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: being detected, right, Because they move so slow, they are

462
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: much less noticeable to predators and to tourists who want

463
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: to see them. So it is not a lifestyle that

464
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: they live just because they're lazy, but because of their

465
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: slow metabolism, because of the food they eat, and it's

466
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: actually a good adaptation to prevent predation, right, Like you

467
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: either want to really be able to outrun your predator

468
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: or be so slow the predator doesn't even notice you.

469
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I remember hearing when we

470
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: were in Costa Rica that one of their natural predators

471
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: is a puma and that sometimes a puma will just

472
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: go up in the tree to get slough. Yeah, oh

473
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: that would suck. Yeah anything.

474
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: The thing is, the thing is like it is so

475
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: when they are other than like pumas, which can just

476
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: get up in those trees and look around, Like when

477
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: they're on the ground, they are at their most vulnerable

478
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: because they're much more visible and they're on the ground,

479
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: and they are even less agile on the ground. But

480
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: they still go down the tree to poop every week,

481
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: which you would think that, like the truly lazy thing

482
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: would be just to poop from the tree. Why not

483
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: birds do it a lot of like bats do it

484
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: a lot of like arboreal animals don't descend the tree

485
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: to go poop when they need to. They just poop

486
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: or pee right off the tree. So the fact that

487
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: slows do this to me is kind of the opposite

488
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: of laziness. They are going to a great effort just

489
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: to poop on the ground. And the theory behind that

490
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: is that it's either a social thing, which to me

491
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: is a less strong theory, and the other one is

492
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: that they are actually farming moths. So they have these

493
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: moths that live on their fur and they're so slow,

494
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: they do actually grow algae on their fur. So if

495
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: you've ever seen like sometimes they have kind of a

496
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: green green tint to their fur, that's algae. And there

497
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: are these moths, these mutualistic symbiotic moths that live on

498
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: their fur and eat the algae, and the moths will

499
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: actually there they're excretions or even when the moth dies

500
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: and decays like the the the sort of byproduct of

501
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: these moths is vitamins for the sloth, so they can

502
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: absorb these vitamins from the moths they've after they've eaten

503
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: the algae, and it benefits the sloths. So the ideas

504
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: when the slows go down to poop, the moth larva

505
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: actually lives like near the slow poop and down at

506
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: the base of the tree, and then it crawls up

507
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: onto the sloth and then the sloth is like getting

508
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: a new batch of moths it and then it also

509
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: allows moths to get off the sloth and then complete

510
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: their life cycle by laying eggs in the poop. And

511
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: so it's like this cycle of the moth and the

512
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: sloth sort of having the symbiotic relationship, which to me

513
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: that is that's synergizing, right, that's good business sense. That's

514
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: not lazy, you know.

515
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, not at all. That seems like it

516
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: would have taken some planning.

517
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

518
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: Those sloths would have had to figure that whole thing out,

519
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: like what these moths are doing to eth this algae

520
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: off us? Amazing?

521
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, just very slowly pulling the cap off of a

522
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: whiteboard marker. Yeah, no, I mean, is one of those

523
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: things where clearly they didn't all come to some kind

524
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: of sloth consensus. It's in it's a evolutionary symbiosis that

525
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: evolved over you know, many many hundreds of thousands of years.

526
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: But it is really interesting because it's like, you know,

527
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: just it's this behavior where sloths are going to the

528
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: extra effort to go down to the forest floor, which

529
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: leaves it's both courageous because it leaves them vulnerable and

530
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: it's extra effort and they're doing it so they can

531
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: get their vitamins, which I think is great good for them.

532
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the lazy tag is maybe not correct

533
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: comes to sloth or just I mean, they're slow, but

534
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: it sounds like they're doing a lot.

535
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: They are for yeah, and they're putting in the works slowly.

536
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: So what if they sleep eighteen hours? What do they

537
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: have to do? They don't have plans, they don't have

538
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: anything to take care.

539
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I think if we call them lazy because we're jealous

540
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: that they don't have to do things like taxes or

541
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: car payments, you know.

542
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: I am very jealous of that.

543
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Also also, uh, just one more evidence

544
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: piece of evidence that they are not lazy. So sloth

545
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: copulation lasts around half an hour, so you know the

546
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: fellas are you know, they're they're they're going, they're look,

547
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: they're not unattentive lovers, is what I what I would say.

548
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: They're also polygamous, so they are having to do this

549
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: for multiple lazy sloths, so yeah.

550
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: Oh you know, yeah, nothing lazy about that.

551
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Nothing lazy about that. And then the mothers have to

552
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: take care of their offspring and their very attentive mothers.

553
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: So I would say when it comes to reproduction, not lazy,

554
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: just you know, like they are. They're putting the effort

555
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: in where where it truly matters. Pooping and mating.

556
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and eating. Yeah, what else matters in life?

557
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: Literally, nothing else matters eating, pooping, and mating. That those

558
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: are the only things you need really to be a

559
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: successful animal.

560
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Bosts sound like they are a

561
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: successful animal.

562
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: They really are.

563
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: Sol the show in the movies Utopia, remember that?

564
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that? Yeah, those I love those guys, those

565
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 1: little slows. I love the joke that they're slow. I

566
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: like the joke being repeated a few times throughout the movie,

567
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: and it was good every time.

568
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like the DMV scene where yeah, little rabbits

569
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: in a hurry and the DMV is fully staffed by sloths.

570
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: It's so it's so true though, right, you know you're

571
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: at the DMV and it's like, man, I've been at

572
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: this DMV for a while, ain't at the.

573
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: Truth And it smells like a jungle in here.

574
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: Oh boy, roasted d be roasted. Man. Those DMV workers

575
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: probably not paid enough, with long days and just exhausted. Anyways,

576
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: So we are going to take a quick break and

577
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: when we get back, we're going to talk about an

578
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: animal that has a very good reputation for being brave.

579
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: But is it all right? So we've talked about how

580
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: Slavs are actually industrious and brave, but what about the lion,

581
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: the courageous lion. Are they actually brave or a bunch

582
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: of pussycats?

583
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: Uh?

584
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: What do you think, Adam? What is your general attitude

585
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: towards the lyons.

586
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: Lions seem like they don't have a lot to be

587
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: afraid of, so I could see them being especially brave.

588
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm being

589
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: set up here. I feel like you're gonna tell me

590
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 2: they're a bunch of cowards.

591
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna first I'm gonna insult your

592
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: intelligence and be like, Adam, you fool, you fool, like

593
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: that foolish fool. Uh yeah, no, no, this is not

594
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: a trick question. Lions are interesting. I I do think

595
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: they are very complex animals and uh, but first, so

596
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: the for me, the definition of courage is not being

597
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: like omnipotent where you just can crush everything, right like

598
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: if you if you are the strongest animal and you

599
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: have nothing to fear, you're not really being courageous, right,

600
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: because you have nothing to worry about. Courage is when

601
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: you do something kind of you take on a challenge

602
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: that is risky, right, and in like you're facing danger.

603
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Uh So, I guess you know, we gotta we gotta

604
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: talk about like do lions actually face danger? And if

605
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: they do, are they like a cur especially courageous about it?

606
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: You know? I do want to say that being like

607
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: overly courageous in the animal kingdom will not be rewarded

608
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: because it will usually end up in your genetic lineage

609
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: coming to an abrupt stop. Uh So it's not necessarily

610
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: a good evolutionary trait. But if you're overly cautious, you

611
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: may miss out on feeding, mating, territory opportunities. Right, So

612
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of there's a balance.

613
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: Fun, right, miss out on fun?

614
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, Like if if you it's skydiving tiger, have

615
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: you ever seen it? I've never seen it? So you know,

616
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: maybe they should kick back a little more.

617
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: Learn to drive a car, Learn to drive?

618
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: Uh man? Remember in Utopia when the sloth was driving

619
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: a car too fast? Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and they're like, wow,

620
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: who could be speeding? And it's the sloth didn't see

621
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: that come one coming. I didn't see that twist. Come on,

622
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: I got I got blasted in the face with that

623
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: twist because I didn't see it coming. So lions seem

624
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: to know not to take stupid chances with large, dangerous herbivores.

625
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: I think there's sometimes this concept that lions just are

626
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: they've really got it easy because they go around and

627
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: they there's nothing that praise on a lion, right, and

628
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: nothing they got to worry about wrong. Have you seen

629
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: the lion king. They've got lots of problems, lots of drama.

630
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, they actually they require a lot of meat

631
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: to maintain their large bodies, and so they have to hunt,

632
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: and hunting is not a risk free operation. In addition

633
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: to exhausting themselves with hunting and not being successful, us

634
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: herbivores will often fight back right, like, they don't want

635
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: to get eaten, So a lot of them will give

636
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: the lions a runt for their money, and they can

637
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: actually maul or kill the lions. So lions really do

638
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: have to be selective about what they hunt, and so

639
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: they do tend to show a little bit of humility

640
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: when faced with adult elephants, hippos, and rhinos. They tend

641
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: to avoid those animals as prey because you know, to me,

642
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: I don't. I would not say that's cowardly. I would

643
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: just say that is smart, that's smart.

644
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, taking down a hippo seems like it would be

645
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: a lot.

646
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think taking down a hippo, you're probably gonna

647
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: get crushed. Hippos are not only extremely powerful creatures, they

648
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: are very aggressive. So I mean, like, between a hippo

649
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: and a rhino, I feel like I would be less

650
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: afraid of the rhino. I'd be afraid of both of them,

651
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: but I think I could like I would be more

652
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: likely to escape and encounter with a rhino as long

653
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: as I'm like slow and careful. But a hippo, I

654
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: think it's not gonna matter. A hippo's gonna mess me up.

655
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, There's very few things I love more than

656
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: an Internet video of someone just getting wrecked by a

657
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: seemingly calm animal. I think buffalo, Oh, yes, do not approach.

658
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: Do not approach buffalo. They yes, they're an herbivore. That

659
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not going to mess you up. Have

660
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: you seen a buffalo? They're yoked, sometimes literally, and they

661
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: got horns their.

662
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: Whole thing is they just want to step on you.

663
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: They can crush you. I mean even deer, even deer

664
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: can mess you up, like, you know, especially male deer.

665
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: They've got like they can gore you with their antlers

666
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: and look as an herbiv war. You've got to like

667
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: constantly be on alert for predators and if they feel

668
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: like they need to chase you off, they will be

669
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: aggressive and they can hurt you. And they will do

670
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: the same thing to lions. Like there have been lions

671
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: that have been killed by would be prey because they

672
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, a bit off more than they could chew,

673
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: uh and they got pummeled and like even just like

674
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: even if they don't immediately die like a wound, right,

675
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: if it gets infected, that can kill a line easy.

676
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what are they gonna do? Go to the doctor?

677
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not Like, yeah, the lion doctor.

678
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: Not a thing you I've never seen the Lion.

679
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: King really even the animated one.

680
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: Not the animated one, not the live action one, not the.

681
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: Play interesting, there's no doctor in it.

682
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: So yeah that makes sense.

683
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean maybe the monkey is a doctor.

684
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: Maybe now I guess years of past month, maybe be

685
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: doing something else.

686
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, such a lot of has retired franchise. Yeah,

687
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: so yeah, it is, uh, it is, man, I still

688
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: can't believe I haven't seen The Lion King. I think

689
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: that was the first movie I saw in theaters as

690
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: a kid.

691
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Iron King, And I think mine was Star Wars.

692
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: I Burial, Well, yeah no, but Star Wars that's a

693
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: that's essentially the same plot. I think Lion King and

694
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: Star Wars. Hero doesn't want to be a hero, then

695
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, family gets killed, then they gotta.

696
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: Go train And isn't James Earl Jones and The Lion

697
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: King Also.

698
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: James Earl Jones is in The Lion King also, and

699
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: they all both movies. I think there's some bug eating

700
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: probably anyways, Probably the point is there's only one movie

701
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: that's ever been made, so yes, So lions will sometimes

702
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: team up on something like an elephant or a hippo,

703
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: although I think they're very avoidant of hippos, but they

704
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: will if they are part of a team. And so

705
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: female lions will often hunt together and to take down

706
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: larger prey, but female lions can hunt solo as well.

707
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: Male lions do hunt, like the idea that they never hunt,

708
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: and it's just the females hunting and the lazy males

709
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: like stealing their food. It's only partially true. Males definitely hunt.

710
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: They're not above stealing the food that the females have hunted,

711
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: because you know, they're opportunistic, they'll do that, but they

712
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: do hunt, and occasionally they'll actually hunt with other males,

713
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: especially brothers, right, Like, there's sometimes these groups of lions

714
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: that almost form these lion mafias where they go and

715
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: they hunt together. But generally speaking, male lions are more

716
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: likely to hunt on their own, and they're also more

717
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: likely to pick out spots where they are it's low visibility,

718
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: so ambushing their prey, whereas female lions often pick places

719
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: that have higher visibility. But they're hunting together, so they're

720
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: using kind of true teamwork to make the dream work

721
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: where it's the male lions are ambushing their their prey,

722
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's fun. It's all fungible. Lions

723
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: are flexible.

724
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, I didn't know that about male lions.

725
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know that they hunt less than female lions.

726
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: It sounds smart though, because yeah, just steal the food when.

727
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that's that. Yeah, and it depends, right, Like,

728
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: in some cases, the male allions may be hunting just

729
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: as much as the females, but if they can steal

730
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: food for like, male lions are larger than females, so

731
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: they can sometimes steal food from females, so they will, right,

732
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: So it's it's just which is not like you know,

733
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: it's all all these lions are making calculations to try

734
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: to enhance their survival. So I wouldn't say the male

735
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: allions are just scumbags.

736
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: And so when these male lions go out hunting together,

737
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: would you say that they in that moment have formed

738
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: an alliance? Yes, gave myself some A plus.

739
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that was you got you got me?

740
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: I walked into that alliance you know.

741
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, no alliance yeah lions. Well that's true. Where it's

742
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: the lions do. No, it's I don't think they do.

743
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't think they do. You got you roasted these

744
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: lions so bad, so you know, this is the only

745
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: competition in which we can beat lions just roasting them.

746
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: So yes, So far lions aren't exactly courageous, right, they

747
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: don't take risks that they don't need to take. Males

748
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: will fight each other for mating opportunities, but they they

749
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: don't really like if they can avoid a fight, they will,

750
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: So they'll square up right and see if they can

751
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: determine if there's a clear winner, because neither of them

752
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: necessarily want to engage in the fight, even the one

753
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: that's bigger and would win, because it could still get injured.

754
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: So they'll they'll like square up, see if there's like

755
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: a clear winner, and if there's not, then they're just

756
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: not gonna they're gonna have to fight. But if there

757
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: is a clear winner, then they might like disengage because

758
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, why why would I just

759
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: like brashly go into a fight if it could be

760
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: avoided by kind of predetermining who's probably gonna win. But

761
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: they're also not above sneakiness in fight, so sometimes males

762
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: will sneak up on other males in order to try

763
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: to ambush them. Sometimes they'll form coalitions alliances and uh,

764
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: and they will attack lions. So you know this is

765
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: not they're not I don't think they are, like particularly

766
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: particularly brave. Lions don't actually per, so that's not a

767
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: good pun. I suck. Yeah, if you can roar, Actually

768
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: you can't per but if you can purr, you generally

769
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: can't roar. It has something to do with the structure

770
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: of the larynx. Is it is you know, cool caf act.

771
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: Peperds or is it leopards or cheatahs that like kitty cats.

772
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: Cheatah is mew. In fact, they chirp. It's very cute.

773
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: It's very very very adorable. Cheetahs. They make little chrippy

774
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: like sounds. It's adorable. So yeah, and like, you know,

775
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: they just I don't think that they are cowards, right,

776
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 1: I think lions face a lot of danger. In fact,

777
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: especially male allions, like they have a very like they

778
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: have a life where they are drifters. Often they have

779
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: to go and they try to find a pride. Sometimes

780
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: they get kicked out. Females are more likely to kind

781
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: of remain the core group of a pride of lions

782
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: and that lasts for generations, whereas males kind of drift

783
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: in and out and come in and get kicked out.

784
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes they can even get voted out by the female

785
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: lions if they don't like them. They just like the

786
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: female lions are like, all right, we've had enough of them,

787
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: and then they all kick them out together. So it's

788
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: just like lions kind of have a there's a lot

789
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: of politics involved. There's a lot of danger they face

790
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: from their prey that their prey is going to try

791
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: to fight back against them. So yeah, they lead a

792
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: pretty perilous life on the edge. And I don't think

793
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: they're particularly courageous because I don't think that they like

794
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: to take huge risks. But I don't think they're cowards.

795
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: I think that they they face a lot of danger,

796
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: and so I think they're just as vulnerable as many

797
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: other animals, right, Like we think of them as these

798
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: strong like they have nothing to worry about, but they've

799
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: got tons of worries.

800
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I never thought about thing. We're just getting

801
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: in a fight. Like you, you automatically think a lion's

802
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: gonna win, and it probably is. But then yeah, it's

803
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: gonna go back and die from sepsis, right, exactly wound

804
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: it got. So that's smarter them to avoid a fight.

805
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: One of the easiest ways to die in a human

806
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: fight is to punch a person and put your hand

807
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: on their tooth. Oh yeah, that'll turn into an affection

808
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: back in.

809
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: The old days, man, No, I know. But it also

810
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: likes there can be human fights that like someone punches someone,

811
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: they hit their head and they're like, you know, oh,

812
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: fight's over, but then they then they just die because

813
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: like brain injuries are so serious and it's I think

814
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: that like, you know, there's this movies have really changed

815
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: our understanding of fights and injuries and like recuperation time,

816
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: as well as video games right where it's just like

817
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: you get into this horrible, bloody fight and then maybe

818
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: you have to take a day off and then you're back,

819
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: You're back at it again. Yeah, not true for lions.

820
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: Not true for human beings either.

821
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: Oh definitely not.

822
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Well. Before we go, we gotta play a game called

823
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: the Mystery Animal Sound Game. Every week I play Mystery

824
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: Animal sound in you the listener, and you the guests,

825
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: try to guess who is making that sound. I do

826
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta mea kopa. Last the week before last week,

827
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: there was a winner for the Mystery Animal saund game.

828
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: Who I forgot to name it is Grant w round

829
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: of applause. Who who the bearded bell bird as the

830
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: sound that we played? You are correct? I forgot whoopsie

831
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: diddles to mention you quick. Good job. So okay. Last

832
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: week's hint different animal. I already gave you the hint

833
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: during the episode actually the last two weeks. If you

834
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: were if you have been listening to the podcast, you

835
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: should probably know who this is. Adam. You just you

836
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: gotta go and blind, you gotta you get no hints,

837
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: so just try to figure out what is making this

838
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: sounds to me? Sure, all right, Adam, you got any guesses?

839
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: Is that a rabbit that's so close?

840
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: But no, it's a cicada?

841
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So see I was I was actually going

842
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: to guess that, but I thought we were just going animals.

843
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: Cicketa's is animals, okay? And science?

844
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: So set science? That is set science or science.

845
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm a I'm a professor doctor of science, and

846
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: I say cicadas is animals. Rocks are some kind of vegetable.

847
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: Cicadas are an animal. So if you want to learn

848
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: more about cicadas, you can listen to the past two

849
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: podcast episodes I released. One is a rerun, but it's great.

850
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: It was about the last time we had a huge

851
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: brewd emergence of cicadas in the week before. We talk

852
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: about the current one happening now. Trillions of cicadas emerging

853
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: from the ground. You can also check out my TikTok.

854
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: I did a short video on how cicadas are so loud.

855
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: My TikTok is at k A T I E G

856
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: O L D I in. So that's at Katie Golden.

857
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: I don't know how to use tiktoks. Guys, I'm not cool.

858
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: I suck at it. Nevertheless, that's that's where you can

859
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Speaker 1: find that. I guess, all right, onto this week's mystery

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Speaker 1: but good guess you know you hustled, you put, you

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Speaker 1: the hustle. It is a good guess. Uh, it is wrong.

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Speaker 1: You don't win anything. You wouldn't have won anything even

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Speaker 1: if you had guessed right. So you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh then I'm glad I wasn't right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you think you know who's making that sound,

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Speaker 1: you can write to me a creature feature poduct femail

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Speaker 1: dot com. Thank you so much trusting Adam work. Wait,

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Speaker 1: you didn't listen, you participated actively. You were a guest.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being my guest, Adam, Where can people

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Speaker 1: find you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you for having me. Uh. You can find

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Speaker 2: me on Instagram at Adam Todd Brown. That's Todd with

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Speaker 2: my middle name is death. Cool.

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Speaker 1: You know what also what means thank you in German?

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Speaker 1: What donkey donkey donkey?

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Speaker 1: That's the name of the podcast you're on. He's not

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Speaker 1: insulting my show or networks. Yeah, check those out. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for gusting, and thank you for listening.

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