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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've heard it all, But of course every time

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Speaker 2: I say I've heard it all, something new happens and

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Speaker 2: I realize I have not heard at all. In the

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Speaker 2: last days. A female dermatologist. This is a medical doctor

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Speaker 2: an MD, A female dermatologist who is accused of poisoning

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Speaker 2: her husband. Also a doctor with Draino. Please be original,

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Speaker 2: really Draino comes face to face with her husband in

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Speaker 2: court and here's her defense. I hope you're sitting down.

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Speaker 2: Of course, as I love to say, you may need

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Speaker 2: to lay down for this. One female dermatologist accused of

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Speaker 2: poisoning husband with rain claims she was trying to tackle

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Speaker 2: an ant infestation in their home. That's the defense. She

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Speaker 2: was fighting the ants, it was her the ants, and

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Speaker 2: somehow her husband nearly kills over dead. Half of his

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Speaker 2: stomach has been eaten away. I mean, I see, Grace,

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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here

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Speaker 2: at Fox Nation and serious xem one eleven. Well, one

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Speaker 2: of the reasons I feel as light as.

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Speaker 3: A feather.

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Speaker 2: Is because nobody's dead in this case. This woman, doctor

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Speaker 2: Emily U, now indicted on four felony counts related to

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Speaker 2: the poisoning of her husband, claims he was not her

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Speaker 2: intended victim, it was the ants. So what was she

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Speaker 2: planning to pour drena into her husband's morning fruit drink

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Speaker 2: and hope the ants would get in the fridge and

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Speaker 2: then down a hole, guzzle down a whole, huge, slurpy,

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Speaker 2: gulpy glass of dreno. I guess so. And here's a

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Speaker 2: thing I love about this. Once you say something like that,

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Speaker 2: you're stuck with it. You're stuck with it, and then

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Speaker 2: your lawyer at trial has to somehow explain it away.

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Speaker 2: Just think Alex Mardock. He's my new perfect example. He

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Speaker 2: was stuck with a lie that he was not at

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Speaker 2: the kennels, the dog kennels there at his Mosille hunting lodge,

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Speaker 2: just before his wife and son, Mag and Paul were

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Speaker 2: shot dead. Then unbetows to him, he continues this lie,

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Speaker 2: and then a video emerges, a video his son was

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Speaker 2: making of a dog, a friend's dog in the kennel

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Speaker 2: to send to a lady vet in the area. And

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Speaker 2: at the tail end of that video, who do you

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Speaker 2: hear but the double killer, the father, the husband, Alex

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Speaker 2: Murdog and that's him busted, and that totally ruined his

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Speaker 2: credibility When that idiot got up on the stand in

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Speaker 2: his own defense, that's a huge mistake. I can't believe

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Speaker 2: they let him do that, but they did. Long story short,

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Speaker 2: he was stuck with the lie. Now this doctor, this

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Speaker 2: medical doctor, Emily U is stuck with her big fat lie.

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Speaker 2: Her divorce attorney has now stated she was, in fact

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Speaker 2: using unconventional methods. His words, not mine, because I would

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Speaker 2: kill over laughing, double overlapping of heard that in using

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Speaker 2: conventional methods to deal with an ant problem in the

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I'm happy nobody's dead, and second of all,

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy she's come up with this crazy, wacky theory.

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Speaker 2: Like Scott Peterson. The very day Lacy goes missing, first

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Speaker 2: he says he's playing golf in the rain. Then after

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Speaker 2: his tag number are spotted at the marine and he goes, oh, yeah, oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought I was playing golf.

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Speaker 2: I was actually fishing on Christmas Eve in the rain. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's what I was doing. When you're stuck with a lineman,

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Speaker 2: you are stuck with it in court. Now, how do

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Speaker 2: this whole thing unfold? Take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 2: at casey al Chen's lawyer says his client has been

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Speaker 5: So he started to have unusual symptoms back in about

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Speaker 5: those bring this year March in April, and went in

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Speaker 5: to get checked by a doctor and found that he

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Speaker 5: had had some physical effects and started to then connect the.

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Speaker 2: Dots, Connect the dots, chemical taste in his mouth, road

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Speaker 2: signs clues, a trail a mile wide. That's what I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about. Listen to our friends at ABC seven.

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Speaker 6: Chen claims she demanded massages and when he refused, quote

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Speaker 6: she stepped on my head until I did and began

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Speaker 6: hiding money from me. The statements also detail the treatment

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Speaker 6: of their eight year old daughter and seven year old son,

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Speaker 6: claiming she'd tell them you are so ugly, you look

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Speaker 6: like a pig, or you are a sissy, and would

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Speaker 3: At them meaning go die.

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Speaker 6: It describes you using sleep deprivation to punish their kids.

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Speaker 2: Okay, whoa telling your child you look like a pig,

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Speaker 2: You're a sissy?

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Speaker 3: Go die.

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Speaker 2: It's everything I can do to get the twins to

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Speaker 2: and then the so called chemical taste in his mouth.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friend Michelle Gilet KCl nine.

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Speaker 7: Jack Chen alleges longtime verbal, physical, and emotional abuse against

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Speaker 7: his wife, which extends to their two children.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 7: If our children let Emily know that they enjoyed spending

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Speaker 7: time with me or showed affection toward me, then Emily

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you think you have problems in your marriage,

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Speaker 2: did you hear.

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Speaker 3: All of that?

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Speaker 2: Then you wake up one morning with a chemical taste

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Speaker 2: in your mouth. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 2: and Sirius XM one eleven. That just phrase keeps going

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Speaker 2: through my mind. I woke up with a chemical taste

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Speaker 2: in my mouth. You know I've got an incredible panel

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Speaker 2: lined up to break it down and put it back

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Speaker 2: together again for you. But first I want to go

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Speaker 2: to a longtime friend and colleague, an awesome parent, and

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Speaker 2: a man who puts his money where his mouth is.

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Speaker 2: He's not just fighting addiction in our country. He has

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Speaker 2: actually created a mobile addiction unit. He travels all over

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Speaker 2: the country fighting addiction with me. Right now, Doctor William Roney,

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Speaker 2: chief medical examiner out of Michigan, author of American Narcan,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Moroney, is a real honor to have you. But

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Speaker 2: before I go on and on about you, what could cause?

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Speaker 2: What are the many things that could cause a chemical

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Speaker 4: The regular flavors that you would expect are cinnamon, ginger, chocolate, coffee.

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Speaker 4: But chemical tastes mean there's a chemical or there's some

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Speaker 4: kind of metallic substance.

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Speaker 2: Kind of white a minute, doctor morony, Doctor Moroni. Yes, again,

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Speaker 2: I'm just a JD and you're the MD. But I

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Speaker 2: could have said everything you just said. I'm expecting some

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Speaker 2: medical doctor expertise, wisdom coming from.

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Speaker 3: Your mouth right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't think of a chemical taste as

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Speaker 3: Number one.

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Speaker 2: You said cinnamon, you said chocolate, you said a couple

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Speaker 2: of other things.

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Speaker 3: That are yummy. But when I think chemical, I don't

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Speaker 2: Is this something like when you take a pill that

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Speaker 2: doctor wants you to take and it makes your mouth

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Speaker 4: One of the reasons why we swallow our pills and

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Speaker 4: of time is that all chemicals used in medicine taste bitter,

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Speaker 4: they taste metallic, they taste chemical, so they package it

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Speaker 4: tastes bad. So that usually means if you have a

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Speaker 2: With anything in nature, I can't think of any like okay,

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Speaker 2: I say you have Italian or you like you said,

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Speaker 3: You don't get a chemical taste in your mouth.

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Speaker 4: No, you get chemical tastes from chemicals. That's exactly where

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Speaker 4: something foreign, something synthesized, you know.

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Speaker 2: To Karen Stark joining me, Karen Stark is renowned psychologists

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Speaker 2: joining us out of Manhattan. You can find her at

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Speaker 2: Karen's Syke And that's Karen with a city. Karen, did

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Speaker 2: you hear what he's saying about what's going on.

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Speaker 3: In their home?

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Speaker 2: Forget the chemical tastes really hard for me to get

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Speaker 2: can understand if you went to bed without brushing his teeth,

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Speaker 2: But chemicals, there's nothing good about that. But did you

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Speaker 2: hear the other stuff calling their children pig? You look

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Speaker 2: like a pig. You're a sissy? Go die?

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 9: It makes you wonder, Nancy? What was he doing at

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Speaker 9: least it? Nicks Melander? Why was he there for so long?

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Speaker 3: We wait?

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Speaker 2: Are you somehow blaming him because the wife is calling

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Speaker 2: the child a pig?

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Speaker 9: No, I'm blaming you.

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Speaker 3: Say why was he there so long? Well?

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Speaker 2: Why does she call them a pig? Can we just

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Speaker 2: start with her? It came out of her mouth, not his?

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Speaker 2: Why is she calling her children a pig?

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Speaker 3: I mean? Have you ever gone to Nascar? Karen Stark?

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Speaker 2: But doctor Murray, you know, and NASCAR where they wave

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Speaker 2: the big flag and the race is off. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: So if my husband said go die to one of

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Speaker 2: the children, I mean I made it very clear, Karen,

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Speaker 2: relate to. Karen joining me from your high rise office

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Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Parent Trap?

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, I guess you saw the old one with

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Speaker 2: Haley Miles. Have you seen the reboot with Lindsay?

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Speaker 3: My daughter?

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Speaker 2: That's her favorite movie, So I can't extrapolate onto you.

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Speaker 2: She makes me watch it like every other month. The reboot, okay,

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Speaker 2: and the reboot. The husband, you know, the boyfriend. I

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Speaker 2: think it's Dennis Quaid. This is Dennis Quaid and he

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Speaker 2: get along with his twins, who are Lindsay Lohan and

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Speaker 2: Lindsay Lohan. And she says, look, it's either them or me,

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Speaker 2: and he very quickly says them, I think them. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you call my child a pig?

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Speaker 2: You're out, bam. So I kind of see what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Karen's talk. But can we instead of focusing on him,

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Speaker 2: can we talk about her? Why is she call the

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Speaker 9: Because obviously there's no doubt about it. Nancy, there's something

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Speaker 9: wrong with the mother.

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Speaker 3: Oh dear, what is what's what the experts today? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Doctor Maroney says, you get a chemical taste in your

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Speaker 2: mouth because you've eaten a chemical Okay, all those eight

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Speaker 2: years of education right down the crapper. And then Karen

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Speaker 2: there's something wrong with her.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I could tell the Jerry that Karen.

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Speaker 4: She's a narcissist.

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Speaker 3: Nancy, Oh, you love to throw that one out.

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Speaker 2: I've never had a single defendant that you didn't say

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Speaker 2: was a narcissist. And doctor Bethany Marshall always says there's sex,

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Speaker 2: so sex, massive ship. I don't know what she says,

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Speaker 2: bondage and every thing. So explain to me, why would

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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, we know that she called the children a

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Speaker 2: Okay, Matthew man Gino, hold it right there with me.

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Speaker 2: Private investigator at Mona Ka at Mona Kay Investigations joining

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Speaker 10: Well, I agree, I'm a little suspect of the timing

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: For those of you just joining us. I could not

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Speaker 11: According to the court documents, Chen says he started noticing

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Speaker 11: seeing a doctor who diagnosed him with two stomach ulcers, gastritis,

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Speaker 11: The images allegedly show you taking a bottle of Dreno,

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's subtle, pouring draino into lemonade. And you know

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Speaker 3: Her name was Lynn Turner, and.

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Speaker 2: Here you got a claim that drayna was poured into lemonade,

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Speaker 12: It was quite obvious that mister Thompson had died as

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Speaker 13: And that's precisely what happened. Officials exhumed Glenn Turner's body,

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Speaker 3: Anti freeze jello? Was it jello or jello shots? It

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Speaker 2: Anafres has a kind of a sweet taste, I understand,

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Speaker 4: I think the number one thing is Draino is sodium hydroxide.

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Speaker 3: Did you just say gird?

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Speaker 4: Gastrosophageal reflux disease very common in overweight people that have.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that this guy's overweight, but I do

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Speaker 7: Her husband is a doctor as well, and his name

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Speaker 5: She takes up the bottle, she pours it in, she

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Speaker 2: Nathan Percy is with US Crime and Public Safety reporter

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Speaker 2: tell me everything.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: According to his degeneration court documents, he said he noticed

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Speaker 14: The guest writers and the esophaguitists and those kind of

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Speaker 2: Hold on just a second. I want to try to

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Speaker 2: digest what you're saying. Nathan Percy joining me. A crime

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Speaker 2: too much too fast. Hold on, Nathan to doctor William

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what would look like from being given drainal.

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Speaker 4: Draino eats away at the tissues inside of the stomach.

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Speaker 4: He has refluxed acid. And the reason why she picked

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Speaker 4: draino is sodium hydroxide cannot be found in text like

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, you just made a long list

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Speaker 4: Drana won't show up. It's sodium hydroxide.

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Speaker 2: And I believe that Nathan Percy is a very strong

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Speaker 3: She goes by.

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Speaker 2: Emily is also a doctor, so she would very well

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Speaker 14: Yeah, you'd have to think that she would have some

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Speaker 3: Do you know where they live, Nathan, Yeah, they.

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Speaker 14: Live in Irvine, which is normally a pretty quiet city,

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Speaker 2: But they live also in a pretty pricing neck of

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Speaker 14: that area. It's in the southern portion of the city.

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Speaker 14: They live kind of in between two universities you see,

442
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Speaker 14: Irvine and Concordia University. And yeah, it's a nice area

443
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Speaker 14: down there. There's a big Asian population in Burvine. It's

444
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 14: about forty three forty four percent according to the latest

445
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Speaker 14: twenty twenty one census Quick Facts. And again it's for

446
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 14: being such a big city, it's it's usually pretty quiet.

447
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: These two actually met face to face. The two appeared

448
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: in court this last Tuesday as part of divorce proceedings

449
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: in Orange County Superior Court. She had to look him

450
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: in the eye, and he had to look at her

451
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: and know his wife, the mother of his children, tried

452
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: to poison him with draina not just kill him, but

453
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: kill him in an excruciatingly painful method. A grand jury

454
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Speaker 2: indicted her on three felony accounts of domestic battery with

455
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Speaker 2: corporal injury. She faces more than eight years behind bars

456
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Speaker 2: if she's found guilty. Man, I would not want her

457
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Speaker 2: around my children. I'm just looking at a picture of

458
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: her right now. Pouring the DRAINO. Man, she's totally busted.

459
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: How did we end up here? And will aunt infestation

460
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: defense actually work? Let me go to you, Karen, start

461
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: joining me. Psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. Karen, you

462
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: and I have seen where one poisoning is not enough,

463
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Speaker 2: where the perp will poison a spouse, then poison a child,

464
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Speaker 2: and very often, like with Lynn Turner that I just

465
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: showed you, one poisoning of the husband was not enough,

466
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Speaker 2: and then she went on to poison her boyfriend. It's

467
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Speaker 2: almost as if it's an illness. And I don't mean insanity.

468
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Speaker 2: I mean, for instance, I've always said to anybody, jump

469
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Speaker 2: in if you disagree, Matthew Menngina, you may.

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Speaker 3: And all the years I.

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Speaker 2: Prosecuted and read literally thousands of case files, I determined

472
00:28:53,880 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: that sex offenders and burglars could not be rehabilitated. Something

473
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: about the thrill of burglarizing something, going in when nobody's around,

474
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Speaker 2: you just oh and paping Tom's.

475
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Speaker 3: But I love them.

476
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Speaker 2: With sex offenders, they cannot be rehabilitated doesn't mean they're insane.

477
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 2: It just means it's almost like a compulsion. And I

478
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: think that about poisoners. I think very often once they

479
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: get started, there will be another victims, such as a

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Speaker 2: child Karen Nancy.

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Speaker 9: That has to do with that thrill that you're talking

482
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 9: about of actually thinking that you have the power to

483
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Speaker 9: control someone's life. And then the thrill comes actually from

484
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 9: watching somebody get sicker and sicker. And here you're talking

485
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Speaker 9: about a woman who's an abuser to begin with, is

486
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Speaker 9: that alleged abuser with the way that she treats her

487
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Speaker 9: children and her husband. And on top of that, there's

488
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Speaker 9: that excitement. She's a she knows exactly what she's doing,

489
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 9: and she knows the effect that it's having on his body,

490
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Speaker 9: how it's making him sick, and so there's an excitement

491
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Speaker 9: to realizing that she has the power, the control to

492
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Speaker 9: be able to take life in this way.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Morine, let me tell you a question for all

494
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Speaker 2: lusa's thought. I first heard of serial poisoners, believe it

495
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Speaker 2: or not, in my hometown of Macon, Georgia. My mother,

496
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Speaker 2: before she worked herself up from a bank teller to

497
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: be a CFO of a company, she worked at a

498
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: bank across from the courthouse, and everybody would go eat launch,

499
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: all the judges, the sheriffs, the prosecutors. The lawyers at

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Speaker 2: this diner called Anne jets Well, and jett ended up

501
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: being convicted of poisoning two husbands, one mother in law,

502
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Speaker 2: and one child or two children. And then she was

503
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: convicted and she went to the state penitentiary for women

504
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: and became the head of the cafeteria.

505
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Speaker 3: True story.

506
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Speaker 2: That's where I have this in my head that once

507
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: you start with the poisoning, you very often can't stop.

508
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: So have you ever seen a poisoning victim? Have you

509
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: done an autopsy on a poisoning victim?

510
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Speaker 3: Dr?

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Speaker 4: Moreni, Yeah, poisoning victims that go to autopsy are usually

512
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: bizarre or strange things, rat poisoning, mercury. We've seen a

513
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: few exposures to you know, pesticides, farmers in the field,

514
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 4: things like that. And if it's very low doses, people

515
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 4: don't catch on. And like I said before, you know

516
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 4: that sodium hydroxide, that's the chemical taste in your mouth.

517
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 4: It's caustic, it's live, it's very basic, and it's very corrosive.

518
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: And if you gave enough sodium hydroxide once, when they

519
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: cut you open it an autopsy, they would find it

520
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: it would be a clump of stuff and it'd be identifiable.

521
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: But if you give it in low doses, you cause

522
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: holes in the stomach, holes in the esophagus, and people

523
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 4: bleed internally.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you look at that as a doctor,

525
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Speaker 2: would you know it from poisoning or would you suspect

526
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: more natural causes?

527
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Speaker 4: It looks like too much acid. You're having ulcers because

528
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: you make too much acid and you eat the wrong foods.

529
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Speaker 4: But if you if somebody poisoned you in a big chunk,

530
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: a big mondo piece, you'd see that piece would still

531
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Speaker 4: be there and it would be sent to the layout.

532
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Speaker 2: Is that a technical medical term? A big quote mondo piece? Okay,

533
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: I'm writing that down and I will use that against

534
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: you later. Guys, take a listen to our friends at

535
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Speaker 2: ABC seven.

536
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Speaker 6: This is Irene Cruise radiologists Jack Chen says he noticed

537
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 6: a chemical taste in his drinks. In March, he set

538
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Speaker 6: up a hidden camera in their kitchen, capturing video evidence

539
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Speaker 6: of his wife You you allegedly taking draino from under

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Speaker 6: the sink and pouring it into his lemonade in three

541
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Speaker 6: separate instances. In July, a doctor diagnosed Chen with two stomachlesers,

542
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 6: gastritis and esophagus inflammation.

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Speaker 2: Wow, straight back out to our investigative reporter joining us.

544
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: So not just once, not just twice, but three times

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Speaker 2: that we know of that we're caught on camera. The

546
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Speaker 2: Lord only knows how many times she did it before

547
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Speaker 2: with me, Nathan Percy joining us in Southern California News Group.

548
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Speaker 2: Three times. Tell me where was the hidden camera placed

549
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: in the kitchen?

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Speaker 3: Do we know?

551
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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 14: He from the documents that we see, he had two

553
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 14: cameras in the kitchen. The main one that allegedly shows

554
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 14: her pouring the draino into his drinks is kind of

555
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 14: a wide ranging view. It looks like it's maybe in

556
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Speaker 14: the corner, like by a hallway, that shows the entire kitchen.

557
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Speaker 14: He had a second one that he also placed underneath

558
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Speaker 14: the kitchen sink, right next to the Draino bottle. And

559
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Speaker 14: there's a couple of screenshots that were included in his

560
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Speaker 14: court documents that showed allegedly, you know, her hand reaching

561
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Speaker 14: in to grab the Draino bottle from underneath the sink.

562
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Speaker 14: So the first one is kind of a more wide ranging.

563
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Speaker 14: Those are the ones that you've kind of seen on

564
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Speaker 14: the news, and you've seen those camera angles where You've

565
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Speaker 14: got kind of a view from the far side, and

566
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 14: it's pointing towards kind of a back screen door, backsliding

567
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Speaker 14: door with the sink on the right side and the

568
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 14: cabinets and all that on the left. So that was

569
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Speaker 14: the one that kind of that they're alleging shows the

570
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Speaker 14: entire act taking place.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.

572
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Speaker 2: You know, I've heard a lot of wacky defenses before.

573
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: I especially loves Jody Arius's defense that Ninja's dressed all

574
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: in black with their faces mostly hidden, burst into Travis

575
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: Alexander her sometimes the boyfriend home, killed him, chased her,

576
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: and somehow she managed to get away.

577
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: No rape, no robbery, no nothing.

578
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: I loved that defense.

579
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: Then photos on her digital camera emerged of Travis Alexander's

580
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: dead body in the shower, and her leg and foot

581
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: and slacks were on the digican which she I guess

582
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: accidentally left behind in the washing machine. Showed her near

583
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: the dead body. Yep, ouch. Those are all star horrible defenses,

584
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: and I think aunt infestation is right up there with them.

585
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: The husband and a radiologist hands over footage of his

586
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: wife Emily You pouring draino into his lemon drink. At

587
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: their nearly three million dollar mansion. He handed that over

588
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: to police. He later filed for divorce. What was he

589
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: waiting on? And a judge grants him a restraining order

590
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: against his wife and it covered their two children, ages

591
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: seven and eight. She will never have a relationship with

592
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Speaker 2: her two children? How did this whole thing unfold? Nathan

593
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Speaker 2: Percy joining us in Southern California News Group. You've seen

594
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Speaker 2: the other one, that's the close up camera according to

595
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Speaker 2: you from the court documents that you've read, is right

596
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: there with the draino, and you see a hand reach

597
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: in and get the draino, and then I guess he

598
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: is matching that up with the wide range shot of

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00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: her coming in and out of the kitchen.

600
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Speaker 3: Question how were the cameras hidden?

601
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Speaker 14: I know the one in the kitchen sink is off

602
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 14: to the side, you know, kind of I would? I

603
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 14: would guess, you know, if you were looking from side

604
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 14: to side when reaching into the kitchen, think you might

605
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 14: be able to see it. But if you're just going

606
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 14: in there knowing what you're grabbing, you might not notice it.

607
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 14: If you're just going after you know, a bottle underneath

608
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Speaker 14: the sink.

609
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: You know what I was just thinking about Mona Kay

610
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: joining me private investigator out of Omaha. At Mona K

611
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: the letter K Investigations. Mona I was just about to say, Wow,

612
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: she must have been crazy to reach down and get

613
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: the draina and I noticed there's a video camera right there.

614
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: Not true, Not true, because I was just thinking about

615
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: when I reach under the sink to get out, for instance,

616
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Speaker 2: olive oil or whatever I'm getting out from from down

617
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: under there. I don't look back in the back of

618
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Speaker 2: the sink. I don't look up at the top of

619
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Speaker 2: the habit that could be pointed down at the olive

620
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: oil or really anywhere. Why wound you? So that was

621
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Speaker 2: pretty ingenious on his part what I was coming to

622
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Speaker 2: you about, Monique to comment on that. But I love

623
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Speaker 2: secret cameras and they come and so jackiep it careful.

624
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Speaker 3: I see you in here drinking your coffee.

625
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: Okay, but they are so now they're the size of,

626
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: you know, the tip of a pin. You would never

627
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: notice them. I mean, you can get them in teddy bears,

628
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: you can get them in clocks, you can put them

629
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Speaker 2: on the oven, and no one would ever notice that. Monique,

630
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: do you use those a lot in your private investigation business.

631
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Speaker 3: So yes, every once.

632
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Speaker 10: In a while we use those. But and they are

633
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Speaker 10: very accessible to anybody. You can get them online surveillance

634
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 10: type stores. But you know they come in all different sizes.

635
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 10: They can be very well hidden. You can you know,

636
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 10: a bop point pin, a ballpoint pen can have a

637
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Speaker 10: camera in it.

638
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, Monique, you and I discussed

639
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: the use of a recording ballpoint pin and the Suzanne

640
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 2: Morphew murder mystery. Remember she thought her husband, Barry Morphy,

641
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: was having an affair, so she had put a pin

642
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: it looked like a ballpoint pin in his truck to

643
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: try to catch him talking to his girlfriend. So, I mean,

644
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: it can look really like anything. So there's really no

645
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: telling how he had the husband had this disguise, and

646
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: thank God in Heaven he did. Or people like Matthew Mangino,

647
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: high profile lawyer, would say exactly what he was saying

648
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Speaker 2: at the beginning of our program. Just because she called

649
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: her children pig and said go die, that doesn't mean

650
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: he was poisoned. I guarantee you Mangino would argue a trial.

651
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Speaker 3: Back me up, man. You know that.

652
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: These ailments alsos gestritis, selfgitis, could have been caused naturally,

653
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: because Maroney says sodium hydroxide does not show up in

654
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Speaker 2: the test.

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Speaker 4: Right, And this is all.

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Speaker 8: Too perfect, Nancy number one, I'd like to know what

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Speaker 8: he told his doctor when he went to see him.

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Speaker 8: He suspected because of this taste, this chemical taste in

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Speaker 8: his mouth, that he was being poisoned as far back

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Speaker 8: as March. Did you tell his doctor that was that

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Speaker 8: something that you know his doctor considered? And with regard

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Speaker 8: to this the cameras.

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Speaker 3: This is just so perfect.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know you have three different dates during

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Speaker 8: the month of July.

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Speaker 2: You know what, you kill me. When I don't have

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Speaker 2: a video, you go, you can't prove it. When I

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Speaker 2: do have a video, you say it's too perfect you

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Speaker 2: have a video.

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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, think about this. If you have these videos

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Speaker 8: set up and you're going to review these videos and

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Speaker 8: you see your spouse put raino in your drink on.

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Speaker 4: July eleventh, yeah, you're going to sit there for two

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Speaker 4: more weeks and make sure I.

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Speaker 8: Get some more documented evidence that I'm being poisoned. Or

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Speaker 8: are you going to say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're not drinking it. I mean I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: eat or drink anything in the whole house. But I

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Speaker 2: would I would be very afraid she might be poisoning

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Speaker 2: the children. So let's just follow your rationale through to

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Speaker 2: its logical conclusion. You're saying, because he waited to catch

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Speaker 2: on video two more times air goo, Therefore.

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Speaker 8: What I'm not sure what's in that bottle or what

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Speaker 8: she's putting in the drink. I mean, she's so casual

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Speaker 8: about it. She pulls this bottle out, walks over to

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Speaker 8: the table, puts this substance in his hot lemonade, and

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Speaker 8: then puts it away. I mean, if I was trying

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Speaker 8: to poison somebody, I certainly try to be a little

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Speaker 8: more discreet about it. Maybe hide it, you know, make

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Speaker 8: sure no one sees me.

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Speaker 2: So the killer, the sneaky killer, is not sneaky enough

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Speaker 2: from Matthew Man, Gina, good luck with that in front

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Speaker 2: of a jury. Manjeno, is that maroney jumping in?

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Speaker 4: Nobody recycles and reuses drain o bottles. There's nothing. You

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Speaker 4: have to find a place to put the drain on,

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Speaker 4: so it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe she was throwing the sugar in there.

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Speaker 2: Gen No, thank you, maroone, thank you for throwing me

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Speaker 2: that bad right there.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to our cut five. This is Amy

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Speaker 3: Roadbock at GMA, Chen's attorney speaking with GMA.

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Speaker 15: This is an incredibly intimate way to commit a murder.

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Speaker 15: She had to know what his routine was, what his

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Speaker 15: preferences were. A methodical, intimate, horrific way to murder something.

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Speaker 15: This is mind boggling to me.

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Speaker 11: Chen has also filed for divorce and requested full custody

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Speaker 11: of the couple's two children, alleging Emily's parenting, if you

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Speaker 11: could call it, that revolves around yelling, insulting, verbally abusing, hitting, pushing, pulling,

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Speaker 11: and being emotionally abusive.

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Speaker 2: So back to you, Nathan Percy joining us in Southern

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Speaker 2: California Newsgroup. You say, there's the wide range video that

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Speaker 2: Matthew Mangino, you know he's grasping at straws. You've got

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Speaker 2: the wide range of video of her coming in and

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Speaker 2: out of the kitchen. You have the close range video

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Speaker 2: that's I guess in the cabinet where you see the

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Speaker 2: hand come in and get the DRAINO. Do I understand,

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Speaker 2: Nathan Percy that she actually had his lemonade prepared with

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Speaker 2: saran wrap over it. It's like she laid it all

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Speaker 2: out the night before or.

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Speaker 14: Something that I'm not aware of. Unfortunately, I'm not sure

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Speaker 14: whether he had prepared it and at one point.

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Speaker 3: Started hold on Karen start jump In.

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Speaker 9: According to what I read, he prepared the lemonade. He

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Speaker 9: put the turane wrap on it, and then she took

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Speaker 9: it off, added the draino. And by the way, I

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Speaker 9: don't know what was so strange about the fact that

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Speaker 9: she didn't hide it. She didn't know there was any

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Speaker 9: camera on her, so of course she was doing it

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Speaker 9: and putting it away again. And then what's interesting, Nancy,

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Speaker 9: is that she stayed there while he sat down. He

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Speaker 9: came into the kitchen, sat down prepared to drink it.

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Speaker 9: So again, there's no feeling there whatsoever about well, you know,

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Speaker 9: maybe I'm causing harm or I'm doing something terrible and

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Speaker 9: I'm watching him do it. No, she's happy to be

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Speaker 9: watching him drink that Drina.

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Speaker 3: She stayed there to watch him drink. Is that what

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Speaker 3: you just said?

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Speaker 9: Well, she was there while he was sitting down and.

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Speaker 2: Drinking to make sure heye drank it, Monique private investigator

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Speaker 2: jump In.

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Speaker 10: I just have a thought, how many people in their

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Speaker 10: own home, with their own family members cover their drinks

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Speaker 10: with saran wrap and walk away just to come back

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Speaker 10: and take a drink. I mean, wouldn't that alert her

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Speaker 10: to maybe some suspicion on his part?

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Speaker 2: Guys, Monique, that's an excellent point. No, I don't put

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Speaker 2: Serena wrap over my drink, But you and Mangino trying

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Speaker 2: to defend her and put blame on the husband. He's

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Speaker 2: the one that has his stomach eaten up with acid.

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Speaker 10: Right, I'm just saying that, wouldn't she maybe be suspicious.

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Speaker 8: That he was on to her?

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Speaker 4: Also?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I say that.

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Speaker 2: I guess she was so hal bent on killing him

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Speaker 2: that she didn't or maybe that was his routine. Maybybe

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Speaker 2: he made his drink and covered it up.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he.

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Speaker 9: Made the lemonade. He prepared it the night before is

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Speaker 9: what I read. Anyway, and he put the ran wrap

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Speaker 9: over it.

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Speaker 2: Now, guys, if you think you've heard it all, listened

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Speaker 2: to our cut toil from KCl.

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Speaker 7: When I was looking through the court papers. What it

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Speaker 7: said was that at one point she called her husband

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Speaker 7: and asked if he would bail her out, but he refused.

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Speaker 7: I also learned today that jack Chen's lawyer went to

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Speaker 7: the jail when uu was still in jail and presented

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Speaker 7: her with this restraining order. She seemed a bit confused

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Speaker 7: about all of it, and he said to her, while

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Speaker 7: you've been poisoning your husband, that's why we're getting a

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Speaker 7: restraining order.

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Speaker 2: She actually called the husband she's been poisoning on video

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Speaker 2: and asked him to pay the bail to bond her

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Speaker 2: out of jail. Is that right, Nathan personal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is.

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Speaker 14: That is also included in his declaration that he wrote

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Speaker 14: in petitioning for the temporary restraining order, which according to

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Speaker 14: according to the court's website, was filed on August fifth,

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Speaker 14: which was one day after she was arrested by Irvine

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Speaker 14: police on August fourth.

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Speaker 16: Listen to our friends at ABC seven Southern California dermatologist you.

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Speaker 16: Emily Hugh has been charged with three felony counts of

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Speaker 16: poisoning and one count of domestic battery, but her lawyer

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Speaker 16: claims the woman's husband set her up. He claims his

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Speaker 16: client was trying to kill ants in the kitchen.

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Speaker 1: She does pour the dreno in the cup three times

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Speaker 1: to kill the ants.

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Speaker 10: That's not dispute it. She absolutely poured the drno in the.

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Speaker 16: Cup In Chen's divorce filings, It states he was diagnosed

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Speaker 16: with two stomach ulcers, gastritis, and a saphagitis. Chen's attorney

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Speaker 16: says he believes you didn't want to kill her husband,

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Speaker 16: but make him suffer. If convicted, she could be sentenced

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Speaker 16: to eight years in prison. Her husband has filed for

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Speaker 16: divorce and is fighting for a full custody of their children.

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go, a medical doctor taking advantage of

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Speaker 2: her husband's daily ritual of lemon tea to torment him

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Speaker 2: systematically poisoning that tea with adrena like substance. Can you imagine,

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Speaker 2: and her being a doctor, she knew exactly what she

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Speaker 2: was doing, the pain and suffering she inflicted on him. Gosh,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't let her near those children with a ten

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Speaker 2: foot pole. Will wait to see if the ant infestation

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Speaker 2: defense actually work. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,