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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of I Saw What You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Millie to Jericho, I'm Daniel Henderson, and

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Speaker 2: we are back again to talk about movies with you today.

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Speaker 1: How are you, Danielle.

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Speaker 3: I'm all right, I'm alright.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've gone through the rubicon of the

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Speaker 4: pandemic lockdown and I'm now recognizing certain behaviors that would

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Speaker 4: indicate that I have been alone at home for far

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Speaker 4: too long.

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Speaker 1: Oh note, like, care to share.

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Speaker 4: It is?

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is It's not a friendship ender.

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Speaker 4: I think it's just it's possible you will see me

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Speaker 4: in a very different light once I tell you this.

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to share. I'm going to share.

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Speaker 4: I think it's important. I think it's important to the

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Speaker 4: history of my mental health to keep a record. I

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Speaker 4: just added nowhere. The other day, decided to weigh myself

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Speaker 4: right before I took a dump. Okay, so I did

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Speaker 4: the old thing to do by the way they tell

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Speaker 4: you not to do that. But here's why, Because then

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Speaker 4: I went and took a dump, and I went back

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Speaker 4: to weigh myself to see by how much the dump

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Speaker 4: weed and.

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Speaker 1: Was it like a ten powder hold on cross?

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Speaker 3: Right? Like that's horrible cross behavior.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know me, but I am

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Speaker 2: not easily grossed out.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you know what you're.

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Speaker 4: Saying, worry someome behavior like that was a fun moment

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Speaker 4: for me where I was like, oh, like it was

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Speaker 4: something to do for that few minutes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's a science based experiment that

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Speaker 2: you did for yourself to find out or about the

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Speaker 2: strength of the of the colon and the intestines and

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Speaker 2: the you know, I don't know, I'm just making it up,

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Speaker 2: but I'm just saying I haven't will I have not

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Speaker 2: done that particular thing, but I have heard that you

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Speaker 2: should always have your bowel movement first before weighing yourself

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Speaker 2: in the morning, because shit happens.

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Speaker 1: Literally.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, Also, I should be fun to that. Do people

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Speaker 4: just shit regularly in the morning?

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Speaker 3: That's the thing they do.

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Speaker 4: If you wake up, you take a dump, and that's

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Speaker 4: how you start your day every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's kind of like it's like this,

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Speaker 2: the most pleasurable moment of people's days, I think is

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Speaker 2: the morning dump. I feel like that's like I've seen TV.

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Speaker 1: Shows about that. Am I wrong?

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Speaker 3: Really? I don't think you're wrong.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious because, as you know, I've been interrogating my

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Speaker 4: my dietary life.

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Speaker 3: Over the past few months. Sure, and I've never been

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Speaker 3: a morning dumper.

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Speaker 1: You know, I gotta tell you.

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Speaker 2: Quarantine will change it, change the schedule you you will

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Speaker 2: be surprised at, like how how stress number one different

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Speaker 2: eating and and just the sort of like different rhythms

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Speaker 2: to our days now will change that dump.

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Speaker 1: Like you'll be like, oh, six thirty am.

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Speaker 2: On the dot, hitting it like like a fucking alarm clock.

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Speaker 2: But then like something like this happens, and then suddenly

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Speaker 2: you're like a mid afternoon dump sometimes like a night

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Speaker 2: dump and a morning dump, which is interesting. Don't beat

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Speaker 2: yourself up anyone for not having And also I'm not

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Speaker 2: a doctor, so don't take my advisage.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but don't don't don't listen to anything we're

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Speaker 4: saying medically in a medical way at all. But I'm

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Speaker 4: curious about it because I've seen those jokes in those

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Speaker 4: TV shows too, and I feel like, all right, most

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Speaker 4: people like have their coffee, take their dump, and that's

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Speaker 4: how they start their day, and I just you know,

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Speaker 4: I just don't.

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Speaker 3: I got a whole different schedule, but it's all right.

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Speaker 4: But I mean I think, like I haven't should I

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Speaker 4: tell should I play this.

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Speaker 3: For my doctor and be like, I don't know, what

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Speaker 3: do you think? I mean?

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Speaker 2: I would I don't feel bad simply because I want

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Speaker 2: your doctor to listen to our podcast. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: I I don't know. I mean it's you're in a

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Speaker 2: good spot whatever is going on, because you're at home

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Speaker 2: right hosing for you at this moment would be to

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Speaker 2: like be in the middle of something and then have like,

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Speaker 2: you know, questions completely, but you know you're at home.

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Speaker 1: You can it's time. It's an experimental time. Honestly, I

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Speaker 2: You're trying to figure out the dump schedule, it's a

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Speaker 4: I completely appreciate that because I also know that I've

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Speaker 4: never been a public dumper, Like I can't do it unless.

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Speaker 3: It was a problem bruin.

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Speaker 4: And that happened to me once when I was in

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Speaker 4: and she had like a you know, the bathroom for

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Speaker 4: into the bathroom and I was like, this is gonna

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Speaker 4: be cool, sat down and within I don't know, a

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Speaker 4: were motion activated lights. So I'm just sitting there in

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Speaker 4: the dark, just crapping my brains out. So, yeah, this

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Speaker 4: is this is really gross.

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Speaker 3: Possibly for some of you.

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Speaker 4: I apologize, but this is what I spent my time doing,

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Speaker 4: and it made me wonder, if you know, the amount

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Speaker 4: that I was laughing at. It made me wonder if

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Speaker 4: I was a little bit insane, or if I'd gone

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not not saying that, but also I'm

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Speaker 2: also very forgiving of the historical moment we're in.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I feel like once the pandemic is truly over, there's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of reckoning amongst all of us,

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Speaker 2: with all of the all of the things, the secret behaviors,

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Speaker 2: the you know, home alone stuff that we've done.

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Speaker 1: Over the course of this thing.

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Speaker 2: And I and I hope that we come out of

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Speaker 2: it better people like I just hope that we become

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Speaker 2: better at like forgiving ourselves, for like dumb.

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Speaker 1: Shit or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, now that I'm thinking about it,

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Speaker 2: to go back to your earlier point about public dumping,

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Speaker 2: can you believe if you really think about it now,

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Speaker 2: can you believe that virtually nobody that works in an

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Speaker 1: Past you know, past year or so, that was like

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Speaker 2: Problem for people where people have to like strategic go

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Speaker 1: How many people are working on the floor, and like.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes certain floors have like accoutremont that other

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Speaker 2: like those conundrums like aren't happening, which is kind of

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Speaker 2: amazing if you think about it.

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Speaker 3: And also it's gone for a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: For the people who do still have to go into work,

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Speaker 4: it's it's less full, like there's not many not as

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Speaker 3: But I definitely, yeah, there's gonna be some.

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Speaker 4: Reckonings, and I definitely feel like that is that is

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Speaker 4: one of them, and thank you for not making me

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Speaker 3: And uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I was laughing my ass off and really worried me afterwards,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, let me talk this out

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you putting your trust in me, But

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Speaker 2: were you lighter just out of real curiosity?

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Speaker 1: Were you like lighter?

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Speaker 3: I was two pounds lighter?

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Speaker 1: Oh, two pounds Okay, I see what we're working with here.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, but how are you this week?

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Speaker 1: I truly have nothing that compares.

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Speaker 3: You.

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Speaker 4: Surely have something better, because genuinely, anything would be better.

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Speaker 4: You can tell me that you you caught a mosquito

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Speaker 4: every moment of that.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that.

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Speaker 2: Really happened this week was that I had this package

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Speaker 2: that was misdelivered. And again, as I said before, in

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Speaker 2: a pandemic, it's the you know, we're in this like

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Speaker 2: post holiday time. Maybe the mail isn't back to normal.

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Speaker 2: I understand it, right like it may not even get

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Speaker 2: back to normal for a while.

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Speaker 1: But I had this package that was missdelivered, and it was.

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Speaker 2: The thing where I ordered it on a pretty famous

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Speaker 2: clothing company's website. Okay, like not not like Amazon, but

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Speaker 2: like sort of like that sturdy heritage brand that people

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Speaker 2: have ordered things from on occasion. Okay, so they presumably

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Speaker 2: have every resource in the world to like cancel an

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Speaker 2: order within the minute you've said it.

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Speaker 1: So like I ordered this thing and.

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Speaker 2: Then immediately realized that I had basically send it to

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Speaker 2: my old address and was Hollywood, okay, which I don't

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Speaker 2: just go back into the account and just cancel the order.

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Speaker 2: Surely they haven't shifted. I literally send it over like

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Speaker 2: no way to change the address.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, motherfucker, are you serious?

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Speaker 2: So I called their customer service within five minutes of

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Speaker 2: on the phone, and I'm just like, Hi, I just

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Speaker 2: placed an order and I set it to the wrong address.

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Speaker 1: It was just in my address book.

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Speaker 2: On your website and I was going really fast and

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's my fault, but like I just said it,

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Speaker 2: can we just cancel so I can like order it

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Speaker 2: again and said it's the right address or change the address,

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Speaker 2: and she was like yeah, no, sorry, and I'm like

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Speaker 2: like that that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, but it's still data. It's just

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Speaker 1: still data.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's not turned into an order yet, like

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Speaker 2: it's and she's.

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Speaker 4: Just like hands stitching the buttons on the final pass

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Speaker 4: as soon as they're waiting for this this light to

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Speaker 4: go on so that your order comes through, and when

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Speaker 4: it does, they're done.

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Speaker 2: We ship the literal millisecond that you've ordered something, and

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Speaker 2: if you've made a mistake, you are fucked.

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Speaker 1: So I just have like that is wild.

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Speaker 2: And then the fact of the matter is is that

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Speaker 2: I was missdelivered to my old address, which is like goodbye,

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Speaker 2: it's gone.

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Speaker 3: It's gone. And you can't even ask.

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Speaker 4: Your old neighbors anything about it because if you talk

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Speaker 4: to even one of them, you are now sucked back

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Speaker 4: into that hole sitch problem.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is that the only neighbor that

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, the thing that I ordered was so dumb.

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Speaker 4: Look, they're a big enough company that their phone operators

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Speaker 2: I also think too, this couldn't have been the first

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Speaker 2: Amazon gives you like a grace period, like if you

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I can't ask for that. I

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Speaker 4: Now here's a question, are you ever going to shop

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Speaker 4: there again? Or has this situation tainted your experience? Even

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Speaker 3: That would make me wary of ordering in the future.

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Speaker 2: When it comes down to it, I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 2: It just bothers me because I'm just like, I'm sure

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Speaker 4: Well, this is also real, Like a lot of people

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Speaker 2: And I feel like a shit complaining about shopping. But

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Speaker 2: I'm honestly like, damn man, Like what happened.

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Speaker 1: It just fell into the hole. It's like when you

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Speaker 2: Into the sewer, they're gone and you're just gonna have

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Speaker 3: There should be no sewers at multi billion dollar company.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, like, damn, damn, damn, damn, Florida

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Speaker 3: I feel you.

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Speaker 4: Let's alleviate our frustration with some movies and some themen. Okay,

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Speaker 2: If you haven't already guessed, this is gonna be a

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Speaker 2: week is called all the Way Up. Quite honestly, it

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Speaker 3: At all what you're going for every role, they're doing

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I also think too, the movies that we picked

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Speaker 1: They share a lot of similar characteristics.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing that it's most interesting about them

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Speaker 2: is that they're both about crime. Essentially, are both true

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Speaker 1: Both made by these, I would say these kind.

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Speaker 2: Of two notoriously artsy, quote unquote indulgent filmmakers, both men.

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Speaker 2: But I think that that is the key to why

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Speaker 1: Belong in a theme like all the way Up, because explain,

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Speaker 2: About what all the way up me. Its like just

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Speaker 3: And all the way up.

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Speaker 4: I do think it fits what you're when you're you're

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Speaker 4: fucking top. He is going to be acting the wildest

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Speaker 2: I will say, you know, we're talking about two male

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Speaker 1: I mean, it honestly is kind of a case by.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, like, you know, there's like these

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Speaker 1: Like they kind of become the thing to watch it for, right, Yep?

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Speaker 4: I agree, And I think you know this is you

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Speaker 4: and I feel like, you know, we've all seen the

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Speaker 3: There's always someone going all the way up in those things.

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Speaker 3: It's not just about those kitchens, folks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and maybe this will end up bigger.

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Speaker 4: Recurry, I think it hasked to just name like fourteen actors.

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Speaker 2: It was like, wait a minute, the well goes so

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, I mean he's got a career

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I cannot wait to talk about these movies. My

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Speaker 2: a movie from twenty thirteen. It is called The Wolf

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Speaker 2: of Wall Street. It is directed by Martin Scorsese.

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Speaker 3: My name is Jordan Belferd. The year I turned twenty six,

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Speaker 3: I mean forty nine million dollars, which really pissed me

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Speaker 2: I'm so scared to talk about this movie.

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Speaker 3: Why you scare girl? Why scro now?

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Speaker 1: I just am just because it is outrageous.

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Speaker 2: And I say this as a person who has watched

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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, Like, I just

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Speaker 4: I'd only seen it within the last year because you

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what's wrong with me?

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Speaker 4: I think it was after this conversation we had about

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Speaker 4: like have you seen wolfle Wall Street? Because I'm like,

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Speaker 4: must be Wild.

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Speaker 1: Yes, want boys, let's just jump in.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 4: And part of what helps me with this movie if this,

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Speaker 4: if this helps you at all, or helps you talk

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Speaker 4: Part of what helps me is thinking about the reasons

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Speaker 4: You know this, this guy's life Jordan Belfort. I didn't

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Speaker 4: So that was something that was just like, ah, that's

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Speaker 3: Fun and funny. But this is it's a real question.

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Speaker 4: Are these actors that go all the way up in

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Speaker 1: Part of me wonders if.

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Speaker 2: You could make this movie right now, like if you

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Speaker 2: couldn't make a Wolf of Wall Stream right now.

447
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Speaker 1: I mean, this was a pre Trump.

448
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: Era film, and there were so many things that had

449
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: not been revealed yet and in the world that you know,

450
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: part of me is like, wow, you could probably not

451
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Speaker 2: make this movie right now.

452
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Speaker 1: But also just generally, you're exactly right.

453
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Speaker 2: It is hard to watch this and a lot of

454
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: people were freaked out by it when it came out.

455
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: A lot of people thought it was sensationalizing or glorifying,

456
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 2: just the hedonism and just the bullshit of people like this.

457
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: And also know he committed a crime against people, and

458
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 2: people thought he should go to jail, and a lot

459
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: of people were pissed off that, like, oh, well, now

460
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: his story is made into this funny at times very

461
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: funny film and he's getting notoriety.

462
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: So there's that whole shit I get.

463
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Speaker 2: But to me, honestly, I mean I I think it

464
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: is a satire of just because I don't think, especially

465
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Speaker 2: after rewatching it now, these are not cool people.

466
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

467
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Speaker 2: Who thought that is, like, yeah, these are badasses. First

468
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Speaker 2: of all, they're all fucking dorks.

469
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Speaker 3: I have to say, such dark.

470
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Speaker 1: Such dorks.

471
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Speaker 2: And I'll get into that in a second, but like yeah, so,

472
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: like that's the craziest part is that I was like

473
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Speaker 2: watching it in this post Trump, post Jeffrey Epstein post

474
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: a lot of shit mindset, and it's like it hits

475
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: differently as the kids say, exactly, so I guess to start,

476
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Speaker 2: I mean, as we've ment This movie is based off

477
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: of the memoirs of the disgraced New York City stock

478
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 2: broker Jordan Bellafort, and like, if you don't know who

479
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: he is, google him, or honestly, just any of the

480
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: documentaries on CNBC that Stacy Keach narrates.

481
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Speaker 1: It's you'll find you'll figure it out very quickly.

482
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Speaker 3: That's such a deep cut, a deep.

483
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: I love the Keach and he's always talking about these

484
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 2: like bad American rich people.

485
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Speaker 1: He's been on an episode or two for sure.

486
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 2: So basically what he did, if if you don't want

487
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: to google him, is that he started this like crooked

488
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: brokerage firm in like the late eighties and nineties, and

489
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: he and he got rich by selling what they call

490
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Speaker 2: penny stocks, which I didn't actually understand for a very

491
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 2: long time. And I'm kind of glad that Spike Jones

492
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: is in this movie to explain it all, because I

493
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: was like.

494
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Speaker 3: What what same?

495
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Speaker 2: My knowledge of financial things is pretty limited because uh,

496
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: we never had money, okay, or at least not not

497
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 2: this type of money where people have.

498
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: Yachts and stuff like what.

499
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: So essentially, he sold these penny stocks to a bunch

500
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: of like working poor people and then became successful and

501
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: started this giant company of like toxic.

502
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: Rich white frat guys basically, and.

503
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Speaker 2: They were kind of infamous for doing like tons and

504
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: tons of drugs and other wild boys.

505
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: Stuff, as you can imagine.

506
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Speaker 2: And he obviously became a multimillionaire, and he spent his

507
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: money in the most corny.

508
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Speaker 1: Ways possible and then he got busted. So there you go.

509
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: That's the that's the dream, the American dream. That's essentially

510
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: what this movie is about. I mean, it's basically just

511
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: like this. It's like this ethnographic study of a like

512
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: morally bankrupt Wall Street asshole and completely his kingdom of goons. Basically,

513
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: that's what.

514
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 4: The moves about that is a really good description because

515
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 4: I think that it is That's the way I'm able

516
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 4: to watch it and get the comedy beats is that

517
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 4: these are people I would normally never know anything about.

518
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 4: I would relegate them to a part of my consciousness.

519
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 4: That's just like these are assholes you never want to

520
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 4: think about. And it is always interesting to take these

521
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 4: deep dives into lives that you don't know about, whether

522
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 4: it's something you know, a movie about Mongolia or a

523
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 4: movie about these.

524
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Speaker 3: Wall Street asshole.

525
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, in both cases, I don't know how anyone's living,

526
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Speaker 4: So it's interesting to me in that kind of, like

527
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 4: you said, that academic kind of ethnographic way. So I

528
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: think that's that is an important distinction that if you

529
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Speaker 4: look at it, even though they are real people, you're

530
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 4: you're looking at from the outside in. And I think

531
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Speaker 4: it also helped shape my conception of exactly how disastrous

532
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 4: governments are set up to protect these kinds of guys,

533
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 4: and like how much we miss out on by not

534
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: having a moral ineptitude, you know, like we miss out

535
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 4: on a lot of the bonuses and this and the that,

536
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: like not stuff we would want. But I think that

537
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 4: the way that they're treated, even by the police and

538
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: even by the FBI, is not afforded to most people.

539
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 4: So it's just it's interesting to look at who can

540
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 4: buy off governments and people in this world.

541
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean that's of course, you think, Okay,

542
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: there are people who are serving more time for a

543
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: fucking dime bag than they than a guy who stole millions.

544
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: Of dollars from the government or whatever, or just stole.

545
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: From people, because they actually stole from people, or at

546
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: least mishandled their money and didn't care, which is also stealing,

547
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: I feel like, and you know, of course, there's lots

548
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 2: of stuff out there about Jordan Belford. I mean I

549
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: have not read his memoirs, no, nor will I, but

550
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: you know, like the interesting thing about him, though, I think,

551
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: is that he actually wasn't this like blue blood, you know,

552
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: Harvard educated type person. And that's why I think Scorsese

553
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: tells a lot in his movies is kind of about

554
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: these like guys that are like self made, that run

555
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: into problems as their wealth and ego it goes unchecked.

556
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: They take place in meritocracy and then it fox them.

557
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

558
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: But so anyway, you know, I have a lot to

559
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: say about this movie, but honestly, it really makes the

560
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: most sense that Jordan Belford is played by who I

561
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: believe is the all the way up king, Leonardo DiCaprio. Now, now,

562
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio and more than Scorsese have worked together a lot.

563
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Speaker 2: This was their fifth movie, because I guess Italians.

564
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Speaker 1: Stick together at the end of the day. I don't know.

565
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: I should know that, being that I'm half Italian, I

566
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: should know that, But I I don't.

567
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 4: Know DiCaprio Italian.

568
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: I believe so. Isn't DiCaprio Italian? That's name Leonardo is

569
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: as well. I just assume that.

570
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: I genuinely never looked it up. I thought his mom

571
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: was like Swedish or something. But you're like, Leonardo, come.

572
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: On, wait a minute, Am I fucking wrong about that?

573
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: Can say? Can we like look that up?

574
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: He has to be what is airy Italian?

575
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 5: He's Italian America?

576
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: What is that name?

577
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 5: Italian? He's an America? Yeah, Leonardo will Helm Helm I'm

578
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 5: trying to look it up. Where wait wait.

579
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: His mom as sweet as I swear to god.

580
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 5: DiCaprio's father is of Italian and German descent. DiCaprio is

581
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 5: conversant in Italian.

582
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Oh, he speaks Italian.

583
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 5: And then it looks like his mom is German and Russian.

584
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: I'm all over the map with this one. So his

585
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 4: dad is half Italian, Italian and German.

586
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 5: Right, Italian and German descent.

587
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: Wow, so he but he was born in America. He's

588
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: put in New York or something right or la he.

589
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 5: Was born in Los Angeles.

590
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

591
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: Interesting?

592
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, essentially they've worked together a lot, and maybe

593
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: maybe it's because they're both Italian, or maybe it's because

594
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: these are just like straight guys that know how to

595
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: make movies about pompous jabrons New York.

596
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Speaker 4: I mean, if I were gonna call this anything, if

597
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 4: I were in charge of how movies were titled, this

598
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: would be called Toxic Masculinity the movie.

599
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: Maybe the movie and the musical.

600
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say this, I'm not going to give

601
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: too much information about Mortin Scorsese because quite honestly, there

602
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: are so many film podcasts that have I mean, but

603
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: every second talking about him, and you can download them

604
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: right now.

605
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: I will say this though, I mean, I.

606
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: I think I'm federally mandated to have an opinion about

607
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: him because I work in movies. But anyway, to that end, though,

608
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: I am a fan, and I know that he says

609
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: some shit about Marvel movies a while back that made

610
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: some people hate him. I guess I don't know, But

611
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: for me, I love that he loves old movies like

612
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: he's a big champion of old films. I love his

613
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: editor film a schoon maker.

614
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: He's a big champion of international films too.

615
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say. He has a nonprofit called

616
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: the Film Foundation. Listen, he is restored like esoteric Filipino movies,

617
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: amongst other things that are made in the non Western world.

618
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: And I'll always like him for that. But I will

619
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: tell you like two things. Number one is that The

620
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: Wolf of Wall Street is the highest gross saying film

621
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Speaker 2: that he ever made, and that actually says a.

622
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: Lot to me. I don't know why.

623
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also is in the Guinness Book of World

624
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: Records for having the most cussing in any film. Really,

625
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: I want to say, there's like nine hundred upwards of

626
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: nine hundred cusswords in this movie. That is incredible, Yeah,

627
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: which I just think is a funny record to hold.

628
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: Can you imagine his response to like all the movies

629
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 4: he's put out, and this is the one that gets

630
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: in the Guinness Book of Records and is also the

631
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 4: highest grossing movie.

632
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: I know. He was like, damn it. I thought it

633
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: was gonna be After Hours, but no, it was Wolf

634
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: of Wall Street. I also have to tell you this.

635
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: I have to state for the record that I somehow

636
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: avoided Leonardo DiCaprio's teen Heart Throb Era really absolutely. I

637
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: think I saw What's Sad and Gilbert Grape, but then

638
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: I didn't see like a movie of his for a

639
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: very long time. I never saw and Juliet, and I

640
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: never saw a Titanic. I honestly, I don't even think

641
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: it's on purpose, Like I I mean, he's only like

642
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: a few years older than us too, so.

643
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's like we were old enough to have

644
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: seen him.

645
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: At least I was. I would have gone to I

646
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: don't know why I don't. I literally have no idea

647
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: why I missed him.

648
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: I worked in the mall when Romeo and Juliet came out,

649
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 4: and I have you know, when they used to change

650
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: out the movie posters and those kiosks in the middle

651
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: of the thing, ord be like, look at this post

652
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: look coming soon, and I used to ask the person

653
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 4: who changed out the movie kioskcause I could have the

654
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 4: old posters. And so I have a gigantic movie like

655
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: actual original movie poster for Romeo and Juliet. I've only

656
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: seen the movie once. I'm not like a fan of it,

657
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: but the poster's cool girl.

658
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: Put that put that online.

659
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: You can probably get good money for him because his

660
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: hive is strong to this day and has been has

661
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 2: been for a long time.

662
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: And I, you know, honestly, I.

663
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: Think that's probably why I never like because my sister,

664
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: who's she's three years younger than me, huge, hugely an

665
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: Ordo DiCaprio fan, like she to this day talks about

666
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: how The Basketball Diaries is like her favorite movie, like

667
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: as a teenager. But even still she's like, man, I

668
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: still fuck with that movie. I'm like, yeah, I never

669
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: saw it. I never saw it.

670
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.

671
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: I I think I'm what you would call like a

672
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: later career Leonardo DiCaprio appreciator.

673
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: Which, if you know me, kind of makes sense, right

674
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: because I'm like all about actors.

675
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: When they're like making movies and they're like middle age

676
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: or later, like love a seventies eighties Shelley Winters Love

677
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: a late sixties Elizabeth Taylor.

678
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: Like, honestly, he's my pick.

679
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: For all the way up because it's just like, like

680
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: I said, he's especially I think in his.

681
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: Older roles he is really going for it, like.

682
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: And it's sometimes it's like I kind of like don't

683
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: know what he's going for, right, you know, I just

684
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: know by the time the movie ends, he's like red

685
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: faced and spitting and screaming and crying a lot of crying,

686
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: and and I'm just saying, I'm just like I'm sitting

687
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: there going like, Okay, is that like good acting or

688
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: is that just pure fucking passion?

689
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: Is that passion? And also why do I laugh every

690
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: time he cries?

691
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: Like when he cries, I just think I'm like, maybe

692
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: that's just like a shock response to the fucking pash.

693
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: I don't know.

694
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: He has a very interesting cry face, I will give

695
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 4: you that. It's like watching like a baby just like

696
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 4: go to ten. Yeah he's zero to ten.

697
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: His mouth gets all like tight, and you know, like

698
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: he just like kind of he just seems like he's

699
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: gonna explode, right, I mean, yeah, So it's funny because

700
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: it's like I think that sometimes as a as a

701
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: film watcher, I actually like actors better when they're just

702
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: like not technical good, but they're just like doing their

703
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: weird actor shit.

704
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: And like I said, I don't know what's happening a

705
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: lot of times when.

706
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm watching him in these movies, but I'm like, whatever

707
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: it is, I am, I am here for it. And

708
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: like there are so many parts in The Wolf of

709
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: Wall Street where he's just like serving his crazy shit

710
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: to us on like this golden coke platter.

711
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 4: It is like every three minutes in this movie, there's

712
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 4: a different scenario of him going all the way up

713
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: every three minutes.

714
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

715
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is that the like at the

716
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: beginning of the film, you know, there's this whole storyline

717
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: where basically the Jordan Belford character is being kind of

718
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: mentored by like another stockbroker when he first starts out, and.

719
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: That person is Matthew McConaughey.

720
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: And I remember like watching it because there's this like

721
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: the scene is of them at lunch and Matthew McConaughey

722
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: is storting coke at the table and he's beating his

723
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: chest like some you know, like it's kind of like

724
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: gotta role like man thing. And I'm like, okay, this

725
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: is setting a tone. This is setting a tone for

726
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: this movie, right.

727
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: I swear to God.

728
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: Every time I see Leonardo DiCaprio scream and like bash

729
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: a microphone into his face with that like bad tan

730
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: and that like Grecian formula black haired eye that he has,

731
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, there's like two scenes in particular in

732
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: Wolf of Wall Street where I'm like, Folks, he is

733
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: really blowing a gasket for us, and we need to

734
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: we need to at least appreciate. The first one is

735
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: that scene where him and his wife Naomi, who's played

736
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: by Margot.

737
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: Robbie, the second wife, not the first one.

738
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: They're like screaming each other in bed, and he's like

739
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: in the bed, I guess he just woke up and

740
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: he's wearing his boxers and she's like yelling at him

741
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: about how he was yelling out venice in his sleep. Basically,

742
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: she's like accusing him of cheating on her, which she rightly,

743
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: rightly so, because he was.

744
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: Cheating on her.

745
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: It was a sex worker and he actually had a

746
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 2: candle in his ass because they show a flashback sequence.

747
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: Of it, and like he's trying. He's like that.

748
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: Whole sequence where like she's throwing like whatever water or vodka.

749
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: Road is in his face. I mean, I was like,

750
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: he is going ham. He's redder than I've ever seen

751
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: him before.

752
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 2: I am certain we're going to get an accidental dick

753
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: shot like the like something's going to happen with those boxers,

754
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: cause they're like it's like a wet boxer contest down

755
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: there now. And I was like, and he's just going

756
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: to keep going because that's his style, Like it's just

757
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: going to happen, and we're going to keep going.

758
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 4: And how many takes do you think he does? Because

759
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 4: that is so much energy for one scene.

760
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: This is what I'm going to say too, because the

761
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: second scene that I really think describes his all the

762
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: way upness is that infamous scene where he's on coludes

763
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: and he crawls out of that country club and he

764
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: and he opens the scissor doors of his like stupid

765
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: Lamborghini with his fucking foot and like I actually read

766
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: that he threw his back out or something when he

767
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: did that scene and he like couldn't do it again,

768
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: Like what the fuck?

769
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: Man?

770
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: Like he just is like gonna blow out the lower back.

771
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit anything to open a car door.

772
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: With my fucking foot. I'm doing it for you, like

773
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: no matter what. I mean.

774
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: The crazy thing is that he like crawls across and

775
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: falls off of a kitchen island in the next scene.

776
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yo, he gives, he gives.

777
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 4: He is strangling doing a hill with a phone court

778
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 4: in the next scene and falling all over the kitchen

779
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: in slow motion.

780
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: How can he even pinpoint where he threw his back.

781
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: Out that scene?

782
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 4: Is he's slurring? He's oh, it isn't absolutely wild. See,

783
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: it is totally bonkers. It is totally bonkers.

784
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like, listen, does this movie need to be

785
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: three hours long?

786
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean, should we like be keeping every single coked

787
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: up conversation these ding dongs are having? But like, there's

788
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: just the prowess I think of him too in this

789
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: movie because there's like there's just so many instances and

790
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: I just don't think we have enough time to like

791
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: list out every single time that he's out of control.

792
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: But like just even these like little scenes where like

793
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: he is at his wedding, I mean it's like, who

794
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: knew that Leonardo DiCaprio knew how to do fucking body

795
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: rolls like boo Wu, shrimp and breaking.

796
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean I certainly didn't. I did not know that.

797
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: Did you see that? Like it's a gif? I think

798
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: that now, people.

799
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, because it's wild, Like that is not double,

800
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: that is not.

801
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 4: It's like, when in your life did you have time

802
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 4: to learn how to do this in between dating models

803
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: who are half your age and acting to the point

804
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 4: of almost having a cardiac event in every role.

805
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 3: How did you learn this? You don't just pick up

806
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: like the pop lock in the body roll. This is

807
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: how committed he is.

808
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 4: I guarantee someone was in his trailer for fourteen hours

809
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 4: the day before and he's.

810
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: Like, yep, I nailed it. I got it.

811
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: Let me top you off with some you know, some

812
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: popping and locking just for a little fifteen second sequence,

813
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: like I'm just.

814
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: Gonna I'm just gonna do this for you.

815
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: I don't know why I keep saying he's like doing

816
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: it for us, like the spectators, But in a way

817
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: it is.

818
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: It's that moment where you're like, you know, he has

819
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: throwing his.

820
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: Back out and like making his face explode at every

821
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: moment like a like a you know how like in

822
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: cartoons where like it's so hot that a thermometer just

823
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: busts at the top, like that's his face, and like

824
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: every scene.

825
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: I agree, and it is for us, because if it

826
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 4: was for him, I'd have some real questions about the

827
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 4: status of his mental health. If he's like, I need

828
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 4: to go all the way up, all the way to

829
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: the top.

830
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: Every time I open my.

831
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 4: Mouth, I'd be like, we need to talk about this, DiCaprio.

832
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes with actors like this, you do think

833
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: it's for them. Like there's a moment where you're like

834
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: looking at Daniel J. Lewis, going, this is for him, right,

835
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: He's doing this for him, for the art, for his craft.

836
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 3: He just wanted to take a year to be a milliner,

837
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: he just wanted to learn.

838
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

839
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: But then there's just pure pomp and circumstance, and I

840
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: feel like.

841
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: What DiCaprio is doing.

842
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: In The Wolf of Wall Street, he's just basically like,

843
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: I do this for the fans, I'm doing.

844
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: This for you.

845
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: I completely agree. I'm glad you chose this.

846
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: I think that it pairs nicely with my movie as well,

847
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: because again, in both instances, I think that we're talking about,

848
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 4: like we can agree that the men are objectly horrible,

849
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 4: like the people that they are playing are terrible people.

850
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: So if you just look at it from the point

851
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: of view of appreciating the acting, and that's sometimes hard to,

852
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: you know, to disengage from, but I am able to

853
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 4: do that with this movie, in with the movie I

854
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: picked because I think that again, it's more of like

855
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 4: that that study that you were talking about, and it's

856
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 4: also kind of just very It's just really interesting to

857
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 4: see him at this point in his career going to

858
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,479
Speaker 4: such lengths, like he's like, I will crawl inside a bear,

859
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 4: I will fight a wolf, I will break I will

860
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: cut my hands on real glass, and keep going.

861
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 3: Like he is just going at this point.

862
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: When I saw Once upon a Time in Hollywood, I

863
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: was like, Yes, this is exactly what I'm here for,

864
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: Like I want to see this version of Leonardo DiCaprio,

865
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, I in terms of just like the

866
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: on screen stuff, man going for it all that way

867
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: up couldn't be more up.

868
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: My contribution to the all the Way Up seam is Bronson,

869
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: which came out in two thousand and eight and is

870
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 4: directed by Nicholas winding Refin.

871
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: My name is Charles Bronson. There's nothing won't care about

872
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: my upbringings.

873
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: Most kids are going to travel. It wasn't bad.

874
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't bad bad.

875
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: All right.

876
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: So first we need to get into some backstory here,

877
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: a little bit about this film. So Jason Statham are

878
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: all the way up, Prince if Leo's the King, Statham

879
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: is our.

880
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: All the way up.

881
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: Prince was supposed to play Bronson, and then he had

882
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 4: a conflict and he couldn't do it.

883
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: So Tom Hardy stepped in.

884
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: And now the director, Nicholas wending Refin, was not allowed

885
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 4: to meet Bronson. He's like, I do not want to

886
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: meet that guy. So they talked on the phone a

887
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 4: couple of times.

888
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: But the real Bronson.

889
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: Honestly, when you said Bronson, I really thought it was

890
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: about Charles Bronson the actor. And then I was like, oh,

891
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: certainly that's not it because this guy has bald with

892
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: a mustache. And then I went on a Google like

893
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, this is really fascinating.

894
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 3: So yeah, his life is wild.

895
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: So you're saying that the director, like you're saying he

896
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: was allowed to meet him, wasn't.

897
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: Allowed to meet him.

898
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: He didn't want to meet him, but he did want

899
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 4: to meet Tom Hardy and they got along like gangbusters.

900
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: Who wouldn't, which is just to me, the best story

901
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: of the world. So get into this a little bit.

902
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 4: So Charles Bronson is the most famous prisoner in the UK.

903
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 4: He's the most violent prisoner, He's the most expensive prisoner.

904
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 4: He was originally arrested for robbing a post office. He

905
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 4: got seven years, but because of the violence and his

906
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 4: behavior in prison, he basically spent thirty forty years in

907
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: solitary confined. He's still in prison to this day and

908
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 4: he has no release date. And this movie is about

909
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 4: his life and his you know, his thoughts and part

910
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 4: of the reason he you know, he was born is

911
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 4: Michael Peterson, but changed his name to Charles Bronson during

912
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: a short stint when he was released and became like

913
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 4: a bare knuckle boxer, and the boxing promoter was like,

914
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 4: you need a tougher name, and he wanted to go

915
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 4: to Charlton Heston and they're like, no, he's old.

916
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 3: Nobody gives shit about that cunt, right.

917
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 4: Hunt direct quote direct quote.

918
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: I love the brits Man.

919
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: I love it.

920
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: And so he's like the you know, the promoter suggested

921
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 4: Charles Bronson, and he was like, yeah, sure, he had.

922
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: No idea, who the fuck it was? What's fascinating to me?

923
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 4: And I'm I'm also nervous all the way up as

924
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 4: a nerve wrecking category. I'm nervous because I picked a

925
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 4: film that is basically about the prison industrial complex, and

926
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 4: that is nothing.

927
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: To make fun of, but it is.

928
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 4: Part of the reason why this movie is interesting to

929
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 4: me is that it is simultaneously about the prison industrial complex,

930
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 4: the violence of police officers, the violence of the system.

931
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 4: But it's also about this guy who will tell you

932
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: himself that he's just always been attracted to violence. He

933
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 4: didn't have a bad childhood, he didn't have bad parents,

934
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 4: come from like a you know, a family that was neglectful.

935
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: He just loved to fuck shit up from a young age.

936
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: And so it raises the question for.

937
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 4: Me of, you know, how much of his experience is

938
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: circumstance and how much of it is, you know, his

939
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 4: personal drive to do this, because what he eventually does,

940
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 4: he refers to prison as his hotel, and he refers

941
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 4: to himself as a celebrity, and he really does get

942
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 4: a charge from being famous. In prison and from you know,

943
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: the kind of accolades and respect he gets for fighting

944
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: and for being totally wild. I mean, this is a

945
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 4: guy who is like routinely covered in his own blood

946
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: and the blood of other people, who is just fighting

947
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 4: every day of his life.

948
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: And it's so sad, but it's so interesting.

949
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as as problematic as that kind of seems,

950
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 2: it is a distinction, if you want to get down

951
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: to it.

952
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: It's like to be the toughest guy in prison.

953
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

954
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 4: And I don't know if if anyone, if any of

955
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 4: our listeners have ever had family members in prison, but

956
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 4: I have. My stepfather would be was in and out

957
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 4: of prison. It would always say, you know, come back

958
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: with these stories about like this guy he fucking fucked

959
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 4: up and this guy he beat up. And I'm like,

960
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 4: what is going on? And he's like, you know, it matters,

961
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 4: it matters to be tough in there, and it's it's

962
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: like a whole different currency.

963
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a currency exactly, right.

964
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: So it is a distinction, and you know, this is

965
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 4: he's a problematic man in so many ways. You know,

966
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 4: Michael Peterson slash Charlst Pearls Bronson, there's a scene where

967
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 4: he's fighting and there's like a blood swass to cut

968
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 4: on the wall, and I'm like, you should dig into

969
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 4: that a little bit more refin, like let's not just

970
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: show that image and not go into it. But he's

971
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 4: he's interesting because he kind of again like he spent

972
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 4: at the time the movie was made, he had spent

973
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 4: twenty six years in solitary and he keeps saying things like,

974
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: you know, I've spent thirty years in solitary confinement and

975
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 4: I've never killed anyone, you know, like he's kind of

976
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 4: drawing this this line between his crimes and his personality.

977
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: You know that his personality is what has kept him

978
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: in prison. His crimes were always more minor than the

979
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 4: damage he did in prison.

980
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: He's eventually sent to.

981
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 4: An asylum where they kind of try to drug him

982
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 4: into submission, and of course, you know, he tries to

983
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 4: murder one of his fellow patients, one of the fellow patients,

984
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 4: and he thinks, you know, he's he wants to go

985
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 4: back to jail. He doesn't want to be in the

986
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 4: asylum because he's not a celebrity there and he's not

987
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 4: with his people, so he thinks of I hurt this guy,

988
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: they'll send me back to prison, and they don't. What

989
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 4: they do is they set him free because he is

990
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 4: literally the most expensive prisoner they have. He crawled to

991
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 4: the top of the asylum and like held a protest,

992
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 4: and you know, he did damage of like to the

993
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 4: tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds, and essentially the

994
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 4: Queen and Prime Minister and all the you know, all

995
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 4: the people we talked about a few weeks ago, and

996
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: now that we know so much about that, we.

997
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: Know Roy.

998
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: And they were like, we don't want to pay for

999
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 3: this dude anymore.

1000
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 4: Like he's not Nothing we do is going to change

1001
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 4: or rehabilitate or affect him at All he's doing is

1002
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 4: fucking our shit up. So they let him go. This maniac,

1003
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 4: they just let loosen the streets. And again, like during

1004
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 4: this time, this short stint that he's out, which I

1005
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 4: think was almost seventy days, he starts dating this woman.

1006
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 5: You know.

1007
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 4: He he gets back into his his bare knuckle boxing

1008
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: thing to make money. He robs a store to get

1009
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: her an engagement ring, and then he sent back to prison.

1010
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 4: So he is seventy days to himself, and then he's

1011
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 4: sent back to prison. And it's what's really sad to me.

1012
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 4: There's a few sad moments in this movie.

1013
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 3: To me.

1014
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 4: One of them is that there's a scene where he

1015
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 4: fights a dog. They don't show the fight, they just saw,

1016
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 4: like they just kind of show the dog charging him,

1017
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 4: And I think, like, this is a man who only

1018
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 4: knows how to use his body and not his his

1019
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 4: brain in a way like he can't help it, or

1020
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 4: there's something there was something that's so desperate about that

1021
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 4: need to like come on, like I want to fight,

1022
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 4: I'll fight the dog. That just made me say and

1023
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 4: you know fighting dogs, come on, guys.

1024
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: But what's also.

1025
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 4: Sad to me is that, over the course of this film,

1026
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 4: you see him get into He's going into increasingly smaller cages,

1027
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: so it's you know, solitary confinement becomes you know, being isolated.

1028
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: Confinement becomes a cage that is literally the size of

1029
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: his in shape of his body that he is just

1030
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 4: standing up in and it is up setting to think

1031
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: about this. The real reason to pick this film is

1032
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 4: because Tom Hardy goes so hard every scene he is

1033
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 4: even the scenes there's all these like kind of cabaret

1034
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 4: interludes where he's explaining his story at certain moments and

1035
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 4: even those scenes all the way to the top.

1036
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: Yep.

1037
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 4: He's just like playing it every single aspect of this

1038
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: guy's personality. And I think that's why the real Charles

1039
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 4: Bronson liked him, because he was like, oh, he got

1040
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 4: muscles like me and he can do my voice, and like,

1041
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: I like this guy.

1042
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, wild, absolutely wild, And I gotta tell you love

1043
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: a guy do full frontel male love it.

1044
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 4: You see his dick so much in this movie, it

1045
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 4: becomes second nature.

1046
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: You're like, Yep, there's his wang again.

1047
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 4: He's naked all the time, fighting like this is a

1048
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 4: true mania.

1049
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: It is wild.

1050
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 4: And I mean, look, if you want to go online

1051
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 4: and look up Charles Bronson's list of crimes, the real ones,

1052
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 4: I mean, strap in for an hour or so and

1053
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 4: have at it. But he was a he is to

1054
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 4: this day remains an incredibly violent person. And I think

1055
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 4: Tom Hardy just brought something to this role in his

1056
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 4: ability to just go like totally bonkers. That really brought

1057
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: that out and kind of without without being you know,

1058
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 4: kind of a caricature of this real person.

1059
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: It was just it's such a good movie. It's so good,

1060
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: so sad, so good.

1061
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so what are you what are your thoughts

1062
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: on Tom Hardy then? Is like his in his career?

1063
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: Like to me, I actually don't know a ton about him.

1064
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: I mean I watched the you know, Mad Max movies

1065
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 2: or whatever, and like I've seen him in a few things.

1066
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: He he kind of does remind me of like a

1067
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: seventies type actor. He's kind of gritty and he's just

1068
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: kind of like he's.

1069
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: Got kind of like that vibe to him.

1070
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean he in other movies he's all the way up,

1071
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: Like in Mad Max Fear Road is all the way up,

1072
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: so wonder from.

1073
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: The minute the movie started.

1074
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting too because it's like like we

1075
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: talked about at the top of this episode, like you know,

1076
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: you were talking about like movies about criminals or like

1077
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: at very least movies about crimes, people committing crimes and

1078
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 2: they're sort of notorious.

1079
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: But then you have like the two opposite ends of

1080
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: the spectrum. Like you have this like white collar Wall

1081
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: Street guy and then you have this very opposite.

1082
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 3: You know, working class Yeah.

1083
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also just like more known for physicality and

1084
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: for physical crimes versus just like you know, the frauds

1085
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 2: and the you know, sec violations and that kind of stuff.

1086
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: But like why I just wonder like to be all

1087
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: the way up though, I mean you just basically have

1088
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: to like go above and beyond.

1089
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: Right.

1090
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you said, like they're willing to take

1091
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: it to eleven. Like Tom Hardy goes to eleven even

1092
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 4: in his most gentle roles. There's a movie he's he

1093
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 4: stars in with Benedict cumber Batch called Stuart A Life

1094
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 4: Lived Backwards. He plays an unhoused prison who befriends Benedict

1095
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 4: Cumberbatch and you get to learn about his life from

1096
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 4: that point to when he was born. And he goes

1097
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 4: all the way up in that movie.

1098
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: Like he doesn't.

1099
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: He can't do subtle I think, all the way up

1100
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 4: to Heaven, all the way up career, you cannot be

1101
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: known for subtlety. He's not known for subtlety. I mean

1102
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 4: the Baine and the Batman thing. It's like how his

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00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 4: face was covered and he was still all the way up.

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Speaker 1: I completely fucking forgot he was bane.

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Speaker 3: Yes, shit, Yeah, Like he can't help it.

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00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 4: He can't help it even when you cannot see, even

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00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: when most of his face is obscured, He's going all

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Speaker 4: the way up with his body with his punches. He

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00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 4: does those punches where it's like, oh god, I remember

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Speaker 4: when Brad Pitt did that Alexander movie, Yeah, and he

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00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 4: was like, would like jump in the air and then

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Speaker 4: punch down. Yeah, that's like Tom Hardy And every throw,

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00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 4: every punch he throws, he's just like, I'm going to

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00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 4: do the most acrobatic punch of all time.

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00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm not just gonna kick you.

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00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna kick you from five feet in the air,

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00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 4: bounce up and kick you under your chin while I'm

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00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 4: also kicking you in the stomach.

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00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 3: Like He's just every move is all the way up.

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Speaker 4: He's a he's an interesting weird fighter actor.

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Speaker 3: Dude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the jumping down from above to punch you guy.

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Speaker 1: That that is that. You do see that a lot

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Speaker 1: in action movies, and I'm like, how did that happen?

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Speaker 1: Why is he always taller?

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Speaker 4: And I only remember it from that Alexander room because

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00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: that was the first time I thought, like, what the

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00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 4: hell kind of way is that to punch somebody. It

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Speaker 4: might have been in movies before that, but that's the

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00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 4: first time I thought, what am I looking at?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just again like it's really you know, and

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00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 4: this is this is someone in the UK, so looking

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00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 4: at the UK prison system versus the U prison system

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00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 4: and thinking more about, you know, the working class upbringing

1136
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 4: versus a very you know, moneyed person. But it's just

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00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 4: it's a sad movie about getting caught in the cycle

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Speaker 4: of violence. But it is also an interesting and funny

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00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 4: movie for the absurdity of this man and his choices.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we got to talk about because this

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00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: is I have never seen this movie before.

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00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: This is a first watch for me.

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00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: I definitely know the work of Nicholas winding Refin just

1144
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: because I have a lot of friends that are big

1145
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: fans of him, but I have not really like truly

1146
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: jumped into his.

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00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: Filmography as much as a lot of people I know have.

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00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 4: And he just let the listeners know, like he directed

1149
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 4: the Pusher trilogy, he directed Drive Only God Forgives Neon

1150
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 4: Demon Like he's done some kind of arts esoteric.

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00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of known for that.

1152
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: He's kind of like he has a streaming service and

1153
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: he does a lot of preservation work for like old

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00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: genre films and exploitation movies. So it's like his influences

1155
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: are great like they're they're I'm definitely like, oh, I

1156
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: totally see where he comes from in this like stylistic way,

1157
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: and like that's the thing I think is so interesting

1158
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 2: about this movie too, is that the music cues and

1159
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: like the.

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00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: Slow motion scenes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's all very like almost operatic, you know,

1162
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: and it's very highly stylized, which is super interesting to

1163
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: me because it's even more stylized than Wolf of wall

1164
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: Street because Wolf of Wall Street is also very musical,

1165
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: very much like I mean, that's the Scorsesey way obviously,

1166
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: but like I'm like, it made it just made the character,

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00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: It made Tom Hardy. Everything felt like again up to eleven,

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00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And did you feel that though, Like when you

1170
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 4: were watching it, you felt like, oh yeah, this isn't

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00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 4: all the way up before?

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00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: Oh of course, I.

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00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: Mean because he's just it's like his screaming and then

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00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: the physicality again, physicality of him like you know, falling down,

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00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: throwing himself around, like covered in blood, you know, covered

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00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: in paint, covered in paint, being naked.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: It was absolutely a perfect fit for this theme that

1179
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: we picked. We picked this it's so good, but it

1180
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: is like such a good choice for this theme, I

1181
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: honestly can't think of like.

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00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: It ends up being.

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00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: Like at first, when I think we came to this,

1184
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: I was thinking, Wow, we're just picking our own choices.

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00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: But they actually make a lot of sense together and

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00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: that's kind of cool.

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00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 4: So they do I know, I love that other when

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00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 4: that happens, that kind of synchronicity.

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00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, these these dudes.

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00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 4: Man, there's some real bad dudes in the world, and

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00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 4: not all of them are just entertaining to hear stories about.

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01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 4: And I wonder about that too, Like did people do

1193
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 4: people wait to have their life stories told when they're like, Okay,

1194
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 4: we finally found an actor who can do it.

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01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: I wondered that too.

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Speaker 2: When you mentioned the Jason Statham thing, it was really

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01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: funny because I was like, oh my god, how would

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Speaker 2: Jason Statham do this?

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Speaker 1: Like would he get naked? Would Jason I know he's

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01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: put like.

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01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: You know, car battery clamps on his nipples and stuff,

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01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: but would he go down, like go down to just

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01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: his birthday suit and boss?

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01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 4: Also like would you put on press on nails and lipstick?

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01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 4: And like, yeah, would he do any of that? Did

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01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 4: these like cabaret style moments, I can't picture it.

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Speaker 1: Would he like.

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01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: Allow a prison guard to grease him up so he

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01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: can like would the you know, express interest of just

1210
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: being able to be extra slippery so that nobody could

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01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: fucking restrain him.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this guy, he's not a genius, but he

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01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 4: is ingenious. Yeah, Like he works with the tools that

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Speaker 4: are at hand, and.

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Speaker 2: I definitely think so. But man, what an insane movie.

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01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: I hope that people have are able to take like

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Speaker 2: a nice little breathing exercise after both these films.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't watch them back to back or do. I

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01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 4: don't know your life, but you'll be in for it

1220
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 4: if you do. Like, if you do, just keep some

1221
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 4: like some melatonin there by, some Valerian ruds, something to

1222
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 4: just bring you down a little bit.

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01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: Just don't take ludes, is all we ask.

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01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 4: So the fact that kayludes even existed and it was

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01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 4: a party drug, when it gets you to that point,

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01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what people were thinking in the seventies

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Speaker 4: and eighties.

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Speaker 3: I truly don't.

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Speaker 1: Look.

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01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 4: If I just want to be sloppy and hangover a

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01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 4: couch and drool, I can do that at home. I

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01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 4: don't need a drug for that, thank you. For joining

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01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 4: us and listening. We've got We've got a bonus episode

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Speaker 4: coming out on Thursday. Actually, if you are a Stitcher

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Speaker 4: Premium member, Millie's going to interview me about my life.

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Speaker 3: Ye, I've had a life.

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01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say my life is quite all the way

1238
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 4: up to Bronson level, but what you know of me,

1239
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 4: I feel like you could say it's it's it's there

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01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 4: a little bit, like it's like a two or three

1241
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 4: on the scale of Bronson maybe in terms of bonkers

1242
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 4: ness and all the way up.

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Speaker 2: Now, I would love to see baern Ocle brawl. I'm

1244
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: just I'm just putting that out there. No, it's exciting

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01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: that you've agreed to, like, let me talk to you

1246
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,439
Speaker 2: and ask you a bunch of questions because I can't

1247
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: tell you how many people, not just listeners, but also

1248
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: my dear friends that I've known forever and ever and

1249
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: ever who are like.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Danielle, She's fantastic.

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Speaker 5: You know.

1252
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm not friends with her, but I want to be

1253
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: friends with her. How do I know more about her?

1254
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, First of all, she is publishing

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01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: a memoir soon, so wait for that. But also we

1256
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: can we can talk about whatever, right, so like why not?

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: That's very very sweet, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: you will definitely want to tune in because there's some

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Speaker 4: some revelations. But we also have some movies coming out

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Speaker 4: for next week that we're going to be talking about.

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Speaker 4: You want to tell folks what those are?

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Speaker 1: I will next week's episode.

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Speaker 2: The films are Sweet Sweet Backs, Badass Song from nineteen

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01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: seventy one, and American Jigglow from nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: This was awesome, Thanks for listening. Bye bye everyone.

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Speaker 4: Lauren Elizabeth Brown. Engineers an Alis Nelson. Our social media

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Speaker 4: assistant is Taren Matza. Our theme songs by Tom bry Fogel,

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Speaker 4: artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstar,

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