1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: De Jontay Murray, DeMar DeRozan, Bruce Brown, Bucks, Mavericks, Lakers players, teams, 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: all the trade talk we can stuff into an episode. 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: All that's next here on the latest edition of This 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: League Uncut. Welcome to This League Uncut. 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: In you rule of twenty four hour NBA news, this 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: news you love, Chris Haynes, it's go time, work's time, 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: it's some time. 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: This League Uncut is underway and on fire. This should 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: be a good one. Everyone. Welcome in to the latest 10 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: edition of This League Uncut. Chris Haynes and me Mark Stein. 11 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: Recording late on Monday night, which means we basically have 12 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: two days and change to go until the NBA trade deadline. 13 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: The buzzer sounds at three pm Eastern Time on Thursday afternoon, 14 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: so indeed, two days and change to go for the 15 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: remainder of NBA trade season. And I'm guessing this is 16 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: math that you guys really don't want to hear, but 17 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: I feel compelled to repeat it because I do think 18 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: it's important for context. We've had six trades already during 19 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: the season. You expand that number to eight if you 20 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: want to include Damian Lillard getting traded to Milwaukee right 21 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 1: before the start of the season, and the Blazers turning 22 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: right around and trading Drew Holliday to Boston. So six 23 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: to eight trades already in season. That's quite a bit 24 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: of action. But look, I know how this works. If 25 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: we don't have something significant this week, everyone is going 26 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: to say this trade deadline sucked, it was a dud. 27 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: There was nothing, And like, no, I can't say there 28 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: was nothing. Think about it. Just since September, we've seen 29 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: Damian Lillard traded, Drew Holiday traded, James Harden traded on Halloween, 30 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: Toronto traded Ogannanobi and Pascal Siakam. We saw Terry Rozier move, 31 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: and we've seen quite a bit of action. But Chris Haynes, 32 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: you know the masses and look us two in the media. 33 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: Everybody loves the transaction game. We always want more, We 34 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: always want maximum trade activity. So I got to ask 35 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: you what kind of week you foresee. I think we're 36 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: gonna get trades. For sure, there will be multiple trades 37 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: this week. I have absolutely no doubt about that. I 38 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: just don't know that we're going to see another star level, 39 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: former All Star player move. De Jontay Murray to me 40 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: in Atlanta is probably the best possibility, but things have 41 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: certainly cooled on the Dejonte Murray front, and I don't 42 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: know if there's enough time for them to spark up. 43 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: Zach Lavine is another former All Star who obviously is 44 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: now not getting traded after opting for season ending foot surgery. 45 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: So I just don't know if we're going to see 46 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: a real headline move. But you tell me what you think. 47 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: You know, Stin, I would tend to agree with you 48 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: on just on how many more trades we have left. 49 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: I do think they will be a few trades left. 50 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: I'm not sure it will feature a All Star big name. 51 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: The John Tay Murray is still a name that could 52 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: be moved. But you know, we're not hearing anything of 53 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: significant substance leading up to February to a you know, 54 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: Zach Levine obviously that him opting for surgery kind of 55 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: removes him from the market. You know, there wasn't much 56 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: of a market for him in the first place. But 57 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: don you know, it's really a coincidence. And I haven't 58 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: checked up on this. I haven't looked into this, I 59 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: haven't asked around, So I'm not trying to make any connections, 60 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: but you know, mighty coincidence that you know opts for 61 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: surgery right now with the deadline coming up. 62 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: Well, even if you're not trying to make that connection, 63 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: there are certainly people asking the question. I don't have 64 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: the answer either, but the question is out there. Did 65 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Zach Lavine opt for this surgery now to ensure that 66 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: the Detroit Pistons back all the way from the table 67 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: here because Detroit was that was the one team that 68 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: was engaged with Chicago to some degree. So I think 69 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: the question is at least out there at some level. 70 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, mighty coincidence. But yeah, there will be I 71 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: think there will be some trades. I think there will 72 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: be some. Bruce Brown is still a name that I 73 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: think would likely be moved before the deadline. I'm here 74 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: in New York. I have the I got Tuesday, I 75 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: got the Brooklyn Nets and Dallas Mavericks. The Brooklyn Nets 76 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: have a couple of wing players that intriguing. A lot 77 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: of teams out there that's gunning for a title shot. 78 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: Durian Finny Smith, Royce O'Neill, a couple of guys who intrigued. 79 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of teams looking for wing defenders, 80 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: and so Brooklyn. I think Brooklyn is asking for for 81 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: those For those players, Brooklyn believes that they can get 82 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: a first round pick from teams. So yeah, it might 83 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: not be big, splashy moves coming up, but they depending 84 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: on the team, they could be moves that might have 85 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: a significant that might play a significant factor in the postseason, 86 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: in the regular season stretch. 87 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. So with Dejontay Murray, we know the Hawks. We 88 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: remember they gave up three firsts and a first round 89 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: swap to get him from San Antonio. The Hawks are 90 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: not going to get that much back when they trade 91 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: de Jontay Murray, but they want to do They want 92 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: to get as close as they can to that. So 93 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: the talk has been for a while now that Atlanta's 94 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: hoping for two firsts and a player of quality in 95 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: return for de Jontay Murray, and to this point that 96 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: offer has not materialized. So the big question here is 97 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: two days and change to go, is that market going 98 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: to change? Is someone going to step up and give 99 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: Atlanta two firsts for de Jonte Murray. You still hear 100 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: the Nets with some interest, but I'm not sure the 101 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: Nets are prepared to go that far. I'm still trying 102 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: to get a clear handle on that, but I think 103 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: the nets are still in there to some degree. I think, 104 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, I reported over a week ago now that 105 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: the Lakers and Hawks, the dialogue between the teams had 106 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: tailed off considerably, and one source at the time, this 107 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: was late January, one source briefed on the talks, one 108 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: as far as telling me that they thought it was 109 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: unrealistic for a Murray to Lakers scenario to materialize. And again, 110 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: things can change fast. When the Lakers and Hawks have 111 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: talked as much as they have to this point, it 112 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: only takes one phone call to get that sparked up again. 113 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: But I do think it's instructive to remember that Atlanta 114 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: had John Collins on the trade block for literally four deadlines. 115 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 1: Four So it is by no means inconceivable that after 116 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: all of this Dejonte Murray talk that we've been engaged 117 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: in for a month now, it's not inconceivable that Atlanta 118 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: would say, you know what, We're gonna wait Because to me, 119 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: de Jontay Murray and Kyle Kuzman and Washington they strike 120 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: me as two players that you would classify as difference 121 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: makers who are theoretically in play this week and at 122 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: least could be moved this week, because we could come 123 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 1: up with a much longer list of players who won't 124 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: be traded this week, like you're Jeremy Grants or your 125 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: Lowry markinins, or you're Donovan Mitchell's, you're Jared Allens. None 126 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: of those guys are getting moved this week. But is 127 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: it a Murray trade possible? Yes? Is a Kuzma trade possible? Yes? However, 128 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: both the Hawks and the Wizards are extremely motivated to 129 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: maximize the draft capital they get back in a trade. 130 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: If Atlanta's given up to Jontay Murray this week, they 131 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: want at least two firsts, and I believe the Wizards 132 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: still want at least two firsts if they can do 133 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: something with Kuzma, especially in Washington, because remember Washington traded 134 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: Bradley Beal and Christops Porzingis without getting an outright first 135 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: in either trade. This is all a long winded way 136 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: of me trying to say de Jontey Murray's contract one 137 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: fourteen million over four years. Kyle Kuzma's contract ninety million 138 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: over four years, descending from twenty five million in year 139 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: one to nineteen million in year four, those contracts will 140 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: still have value at the draft in the summer beyond. 141 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: Those teams do not have to trade him this week. 142 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: There is a case to be made, both for the 143 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: Hawks with Murray and for the Wizards with Kuzma. There 144 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: is a case to be made that, you know what, 145 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: wait till June. There might be more first round draft 146 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: picks in play in June at draft time than there 147 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: is right now. Bobby Marks from ESPN had the amazing 148 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: stat the other day that eleven teams control seventy five 149 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: percent of the tradeable picks in the coming June draft. 150 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: It's just manufacturing first round picks right now is not easy, 151 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: and Toronto is finding that out. You mentioned Bruce Brown. 152 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: The Raptors made their trade. They sent Siakam to Indiana 153 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: in mid January. Part of the reason they did it 154 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: was because they wanted to get Bruce Brown as early 155 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: as they could and give themselves as much runway to 156 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: try to trade Bruce Brown for another first round pick, 157 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: and so the Raptors could say we got four firsts 158 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: for Siakam instead of just three. But you know, they're 159 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: down to two plus days to get that done. The 160 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: Raptors do not yet have the first round pick that 161 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: they've been trying to get for Bruce Brown. Not easy 162 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: to do in this marketplace. 163 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: And when it comes to the Hawks, you know, I said, 164 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: I believe it was last week or two weeks ago. 165 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: You know how the Hawks they don't feel any urgency 166 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: of making a Jante Murray deal at the deadline. They 167 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: feel mighty comfortable keeping them going through the season and 168 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 2: reassessing over the summer and seeing if there is a 169 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: stockpow of first rounds out there available to be had. 170 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: At that point where you see teams like, you know, 171 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: just just throw the Los Angeles Lakers who have been 172 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: tied to the jihnte as well, like, how desperate, how 173 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: more desperate will they be if their season doesn't end, 174 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: you know, end up the way that I'll just say 175 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: this the way Lebron James wants it to end. You know, 176 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: you have to think about what moves will he ask 177 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: to be made, or he don't even have to ask 178 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: what type of mood will he be in? Which will 179 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: lead to the Lakers going out there and trying to 180 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: see what can be done and getting other teams involved 181 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: to try to to satisfy the Atlanta Hawks for a 182 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: package that would include de Jhonta. So you know, another 183 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: thing with the Hawks as well, is that you you 184 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: reminded everybody about how long John Collins was on the market. 185 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: It seemed like for four straight summers. He was on 186 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: the market during the summer trade deadlines and they kept them. 187 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: But this is a new regime, you know, this is 188 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: Landry Fields in charge, but the ownership group still holds 189 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: a heavy hand. And so you wonder if Landy will 190 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: be that, if he's willing to go that route. I 191 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: don't know, but you know, it seemed just just from 192 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: what little I'm hearing on substance, I just say, right now, 193 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: it's not looking it's not looking like as of right now, 194 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: we record this with Monday, February fifth, Monday night. If 195 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 2: you ask me if Murray's going to be traded by tomorrow, No, 196 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: and which would lead me to think that I don't 197 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: know if anything can pick up by the end. It could. 198 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: All it takes is one folk call to start changing 199 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: the situation. But you know it's the heat is not 200 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: as burning as what it was a month ago, even 201 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: a few weeks ago. 202 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: One team, I think a lot of people are curious 203 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: about is Chicago and what the Bulls might do. Obviously, 204 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: a Levigne trade now is unrealistic in the extreme, in 205 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: the wake of him announcing that he's going for season 206 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: ending foot surgery. I would say in recent days, the 207 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: chatter about the Bulls has been Andre Drummond is the 208 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: most likely current Bowl to be moved. I think that's 209 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: the way most rival front offices see it. And there 210 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: is a lot of demand for Drummond. I mean, who 211 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: doesn't need another big man if you have playoff aspirations 212 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: in a league where Nikola Jokic's team they're the reigning champions. 213 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: Drummond has very quietly had a very productive season in 214 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: terms of rebounding in short minutes for the Bulls, So 215 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: I don't think Chicago will have any trouble moving him 216 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: for some draft capital. And this is hilarious, folks. While 217 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: we're literally while we're taping this episode, Chris Haynes just 218 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: tweeted that Tyrese Maxi will be competing in the three 219 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: point contest at All Star Weekend in Indianapolis, looking away 220 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: from the screen, ignoring producer Ryan and I as I'm 221 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: rambling on here about Andre Drummond. But now that you've 222 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: put that tweet out, I guess I can get around 223 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: to my long winded question. You know the Bulls, well, 224 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: you know DeMar DeRozan. Well, what DeMar Derozen is headed 225 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: for free agency? Could that be one of the surprises 226 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: this week, that out of the blue something happens where 227 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: Chicago trades DeMar Derozen. It certainly doesn't sound like that's 228 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: in the ether. But I know that you know Damar 229 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: in his situation pretty well, So give me your forecast 230 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: on DeRozan. 231 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'm hearing is that I'm not hearing really 232 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: anything on a DeMar DeRozan trade front, which leads me 233 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: to believe he will be kept through the deadline, and 234 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: I would think that both sides will get back to 235 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: the table and start trying to talk about an extension. 236 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: You know, the Bulls and Tomorrow's and his agent, Aaron Goodwin, 237 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: they had some they had some contact early on in 238 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: the season. Both sides are far apart and that still 239 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: is the case. But I think past the deadline they'll 240 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: get back to the table see if anything can be 241 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: hammered out, Because, as you mentioned, steinmar DeRozan will be 242 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: an unrestricted free agent and they can risk losing him 243 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: for nothing. I don't know. I don't know that they 244 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: want to put themselves in that situation. I don't know that. 245 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: You know, there are plenty of teams who have done it, 246 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: have surprised us and went along and let a big 247 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: fish just leave. But yeah, I think they will get 248 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: back to the table at some point and see what 249 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: can be done from there. But yeah, no, I don't 250 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: foresee it, Jamar. The rolls and trade occurring. 251 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: Man, the bulls are fascinating. Like their strategy what they 252 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: are so hard to figure out? Man, they came into 253 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: the seat. We've been hearing about potential Levine trade since November, 254 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: and obviously, look, the market wasn't there in today's NBA 255 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: with the first apron and the second apron and the 256 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: tax consequences for teams that have high pay rolls. I mean, 257 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: that's just gonna limit the kind of trade market there 258 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: is for a player like Zach Lavine. Who if you've 259 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: already got two max players and he's your third guy, 260 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you are just setting yourself up for an 261 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: incredibly expensive payroll to bring him in, and that certainly 262 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: limited the trade options but I just I don't know 263 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: if we would have gone back to opening night when 264 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: remember the Bulls were reputed to have a player's only 265 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: meeting on opening nights. I just don't I was there. 266 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the Vegas odds 267 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: would have been on Opening night that after that team meeting, 268 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: that Levine and de Rosen and Vucevic, that they're all 269 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: in Chicago after the trade deadline. I'm not smart enough 270 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 1: to know what the odds would have been. But that's uh. 271 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: That seem like. 272 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: I got a question to posed for you that did 273 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: not seem like the likes of scenario. The likely scenario 274 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: would have been that we thought that Chicago would blow 275 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: it up. So my question to you is Levine, at 276 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: the time when all this is going down, Levine, at 277 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: the time we thought had a trade market. We thought, 278 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: you know, DeMar DeRozan, would you know be able to 279 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: hit the market. He would have trade value as well 280 00:17:53,200 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: as vou Do you feel like Chicago down too long 281 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 2: and you know past their time? Do you think they 282 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: played this right? 283 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: Where are they going? Where is this team going? Like 284 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: if you re signed to Margaret Roseen, I mean, this 285 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: team has been scuffling for a playing spot all season long. 286 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: I just you know. I mean the silver lining to 287 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: the season is what Kobe White has become with Levine out. 288 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: Kobe White has looked fantastic, But I don't know what 289 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: the end goal is. They still draw fantastically well. But 290 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: where is this team in the East? Where is this 291 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: team going? I would love to have I would love 292 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: to tell you that I have a handle on their 293 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: long term strategy, but I do not. 294 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what we've we've been trying to 295 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: gauge for this this first half of the season. Is 296 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 2: what are they doing? 297 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: Let's stay in the Central Division. Because earlier on Monday, 298 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: I reported that there have been some exploratory talks between 299 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: the Bucks and the Mavericks that would have featured Bobby 300 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: Portis in exchange for Grant Williams. After my story published, 301 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: I subsequently heard that Milwaukee would not be willing to 302 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: do that as a one for one exchange, which does 303 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: work salary cap wise, but Milwaukee would not do that 304 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: trade unless there was more in it for them. I 305 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: was told that that particular trade conversation would not progress 306 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: to something serious without some additional names added. But look 307 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: What it did underline is what I think you've been 308 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: reporting as loudly as anyone in the league, how aggressive 309 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: the Bucks are trying to find players who can help 310 00:19:55,400 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: them defensively. The appeal there would be Grant Williams a 311 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: disappointing first season in Dallas. Grant Williams, as a versatile defender, 312 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: can guard a lot of positions, and Milwaukee's interested him 313 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: naturally would stem from the fact that they need to 314 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: improve on the defensive end and Williams could theoretically help 315 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: them there. But we know the Bucks are trying a 316 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: lot of things, and the reality is they can't do 317 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: anything substantial salary wise unless they're willing to part with 318 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: Bobby Portis and or Pat Conaton. So because they're obviously 319 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: they're they're they're not. They're trying to strengthen the core 320 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: around their four main guys we know, Jannis Dame, Chris Middleton, 321 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: Brook Lopez. Nothing is happening with those four guys, but 322 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: just the Bucks continue to be described to. 323 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: Me as. 324 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: Super, super aggressive. I cross paths with them in Dallas 325 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: on Saturday night, and even though they came back from 326 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: twenty five in Dallas and one there was an unmistakable. 327 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: There's something going to happen with these guys. Vibe. When 328 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: I was around that team. 329 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. What was it like being a runner of 330 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: team Start? Well, you got you got them, you got 331 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: them in Dallas and then they went and laid the 332 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: egg the next day. 333 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: Like I said, it just it just felt me like something, 334 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: some something's gonna happen there. There is going to be 335 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: at least one move between now and Thursday at three 336 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: pm Eastern, and I think I think they know it. 337 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: I think they know something is coming. 338 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: Well on something else. Sticking with the Bucks, Stein, you 339 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: reported it, You reported it, but we'll lay it on here. 340 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: What is Doc? What is Doc planning on doing? Because 341 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: I believe Doc is one in three as a head 342 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: coach of the Bucks right now, but he is going 343 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 2: to represent. 344 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what it looks. Just to be clear, 345 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: like so before the game, I had a chance to 346 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: interview Doc Rivers, and the full interview it's a short 347 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: inter but he actually we got into some pretty good 348 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: stuff just about his return to coaching and championships and everything. 349 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: That discussion will run on my Saturday radio show. But 350 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: it's like Doc didn't walk into the Building announcing his 351 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: plan to relinquish his All Star coaching share. I asked him. 352 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: I asked him about it. He was responding to my 353 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: question about it, because the Bucks came into that Saturday 354 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: night game against Dallas needing a win to clinch the 355 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: All Star coaching spot, because of course, the Celtics lead 356 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: the East, but Joe Mizzoula and his staff they went 357 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: to the All Star Game last season, so they're not 358 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: eligible to do it this season. So the Bucks came 359 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: to Dallas on Saturday night knowing that a win would 360 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: send their coaching staff to the All Star Game. And 361 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: I asked Doc about it before the game, and he 362 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: was very sheepish about it. He said it's ridiculous and 363 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't feel good about it. And he actually told 364 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 1: me again you'll hear the whole interview on my Saturday 365 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: radio show. He told me that he asked the league, 366 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: can I not do this. I've only coached this team 367 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: three or four games. He doesn't feel right being the 368 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: All Star coach. And the league told him, Doc, here, 369 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: if the Bucks clinched the second best record in the East, 370 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: you will be coaching. You will be coaching the East 371 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: All Stars. So Doc Rivers will be there, but the 372 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: coaching share and the all star ring he is going 373 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: to make sure that Adrian Griffin gets those. But I 374 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: think again, I think people reacted to it like Doc 375 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: walked in, you know, announcing this plan for effect, and 376 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: no I asked him about it. And postgame the Bucks won, 377 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: so obviously he was asked about it. 378 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm glad you set that straight, starn So. 379 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 2: Bucks right now going through a tough period, adjustment period. 380 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: I think we're seeing Doc Rivers starting to, piece by 381 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: piece implement his own schemes. And you know, he implemented 382 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: a defensive scheme that worked on Dallas, particularly on Luca 383 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: down the stretch. One thing I want to know, You know, 384 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: Dame was questionable for that last game at Utah. Didn't 385 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 2: play well at all. His ankle, his ankle was he 386 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: was questionable with an ankle injury. He shouldn't have played. 387 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: He probably you shouldn't have played. You know that what 388 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 2: I was told that that ankle, it was bothering him. 389 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 2: So we'll see how he moves forward with that injury 390 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: in the games ahead. I'm not ready to report on 391 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 2: if he's going to miss miss any games right now, 392 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: But I just wanted to just say that, you know, 393 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: that's an ankle injury he's dealing with. That just came 394 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: up recently. 395 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: What about the three point contest. I thought your guy 396 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: Dame was he won it last year, And remember he 397 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: did an interview with us the morning of the three 398 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: point contest when this league uncut was just in its 399 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: infancy stages. Dame goes out wins the three point contest 400 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: and I thought that that was going to be the 401 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: last time we saw him on the three point stage. 402 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: And then last week you reported that he's he's back 403 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: in to defend his title. What happened? 404 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was shocked, as you are. Stein. You know, 405 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 2: he said that was it. He wanted to win, and 406 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 2: he even said it after he won the three point 407 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: contests himself that this was his last hurrah. He wanted 408 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: to win a championship. Now he has it. That's something 409 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 2: that he holds in high regard when you think about 410 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 2: the best three point shoes in his game. To have 411 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: won that, to won that trophy that was supposed to 412 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: be it, I don't know what got him back in. 413 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the just the chance to 414 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 2: come to defend the title. I don't know. I have 415 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 2: no clue, but he's in it, and not just that 416 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: Stein see Stein, Dame has some good mojo. Came on 417 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: our show day of three point contest, won it. Then 418 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: you know our guy Malik Beasley. I want to say, 419 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: was he the first player we had? Was he was? 420 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: I have to say? When the Bucks? When the Bucks 421 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: were in Dallas on Saturday night? One hand, I know 422 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: you gave me very specific instructions to make sure that 423 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: I speak with Dame while he was in town. And 424 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: somehow you know the MAVs arena that's like my house, 425 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: like I pretty much know every entryway, exit way. I 426 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: have to admit to you. Somehow postgame, Damian Lillard eluded me. 427 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: I never got near him the whole night. I don't 428 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: know how he escaped me, but I did not see 429 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: him at all. But more than once, I know how you. 430 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 2: Could have Gattle Stein, Stein, I know how you could 431 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 2: have got him. 432 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't help me, now, why didn't you tell me? Then? 433 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you when I go to Dallas. I 434 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: know how you could have got him if you would 435 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: have went in the locker room. Stein, How about that? 436 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: Go with the locker room, Stein, because I don't. 437 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't want if I'm in the locker room, then 438 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: I lose my little hallway tricks. That's the he's he's So. 439 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 2: This is this is a side joke. 440 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: Guys. 441 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: When I'm in Dallas, I always tell Stean Stein, come 442 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 2: in to the locker room. Maybe come in locker room. No, 443 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: I want to stay in the hallway. I see everybody 444 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: come and leave here or no, I know what I'm like, 445 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: stin since at least come in the locker room. Get 446 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: to know some of these young guys, you know what 447 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: I mean, Like let them see a face. Because a 448 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 2: lot of these guys too that you don't think know you, 449 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: they know you by listen to this. 450 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: If you you were in Dallas, if you were in 451 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: Dallas for a Dame game, obviously I'm going with you 452 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: in there. But no, like I said, I perch in 453 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: my I'm I'm in my little spot up spot. And 454 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: I never imagine that Dame would find a way to 455 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: the bus without me noticing. But he did. He did. 456 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: He got away from me. But that was all long 457 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: winded way of saying that. As I was watching Malik 458 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: Beasley play, yes, I could not forget that. You you know, 459 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: he is another player who has a he has a 460 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: spot in the Haines pantheon and the distinction of being 461 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: the first guest, the first player guest in the history. 462 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: Of this show. Yeah yeah, and that was and so 463 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: at that time he was with the Jazz Correct and 464 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: he was this was a few weeks before he got 465 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: traded traded, Yeah yeah. And at that time he was 466 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: pleading to be in a three point contest, then didn't 467 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: make it. So he does a one he does my 468 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 2: br Live show comes on, same thing, Please to be 469 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: in the three point contest, and now Stein he's invited, 470 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: He's invited. Malik Beasley will be in a three point contest. 471 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: Him and Dame have been talking trash all season about 472 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: who's gonna win, who's gonna get the better of who. 473 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: Malik Beasley shooting the lights out percentage wise for the 474 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: Bucks this season. So you know you got in this, 475 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: in this in this contest. You know, I reported it 476 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: imported one let me see was it last week? I 477 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: put it? Jalen Brunson is going to be in it. 478 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: I just reported during this podcast that Tyrese Maxi is 479 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 2: going to be in it. Donovan Mitchell. There's somebody else 480 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: out there that I'm missing, but I think there's about 481 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: once one more spot left out there. You know it's 482 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: Stephen Curry going to do it. We know he has 483 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: his own personal three point contests going up against Sabrina. 484 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: But will he entered the big thing. I would tend 485 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: to think so, but you know, I'm not sure. Tyre's 486 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: Halliburton is another guy that's in Laurie Marknen. 487 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: This is this is not tweet worthy for you. But 488 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: I can also now confirm that I will indeed be 489 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. I have finally arranged it. It is set, 490 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: and I will be there too, hopefully make my way 491 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: into the Chris Haynes orbit. Chris Haynes, folks, he's got 492 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: a stacked work schedule Friday and Saturday of All Star Weekend, 493 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: but Sunday before the big game, before he starts doing 494 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: his various red carpet appearances and interviews in the hallway 495 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: with various All Stars. I am going to do my 496 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: best to pull Chris away from the madness, and we 497 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: are we are going to get at least one episode 498 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: of this league uncut done on All Star soil. That 499 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: is going to happen now because I will indeed be that. 500 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: That's a big time that's big time Stein and Indianapolis, 501 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: that definitely is tweet worthy right there. Stein, first of all, 502 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: happy to have you. Indianapolis and the NBA in the league. 503 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they're happy to have you. 504 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: They've been up late at night wondering if I was 505 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: gonna make it. 506 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's All Star Weekend without you. 507 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: But with that being said, Stein, with that being said, 508 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: like King has walked viewers through like what is your 509 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: doing All Star Weekend? Like what do you like? Because 510 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: I have as I've gotten older, you know, as you know, 511 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: you probably get these invites to come to this shoe 512 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 2: like Nike may hold something, a Das may hold something. 513 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: Then you have these different agencies they'll hold an event, 514 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: and I would my first. These last couple of years, Steinn, 515 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: I've tailed off a little bit, like I minimize my 516 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: plate because I have a lot more of a workload, 517 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: you know, with T and T having to Actually I'm 518 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: working the Rising Stars game, then I'm working the HBCU 519 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: Classic on Saturday on the sidelines for that, and then 520 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: I'm doing interviews during Saturday night events, the dunk contests 521 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: and all that. So I'm pretty busy, so I had 522 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: to kind of scale down like all the off court 523 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: activities that I will usually go to. So Stein, what 524 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: do you do all Star weekend? What do you prepare 525 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: for just in and covering the event and also take 526 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: trying to take in what you can while you do. 527 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: Okay, this is going to surprise you zero percent. But 528 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: agency party Agency parties not a high priority on my list. 529 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: High priority on my list in Indianapolis is I got 530 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: to get into sant elmos Steakhouse at least twice before 531 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: I leave town. That is a very high priority, right. 532 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: It is. 533 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, what I'm probably look, I always 534 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: want to try to get to the Tech Summit on 535 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: Friday morning because there are just a slew of heavy 536 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: hitters from all over the sports world. So I hope 537 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: my schedule will allow for that. But honestly, I think 538 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: what I'm most excited about is my dear friends from 539 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: Panini Trading Cards and Collectibles. They sponsor my weekly radio 540 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: show in Dallas. They are based in Dallas, and this 541 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: year I didn't even realize it until the league started 542 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: announcing all the participants for the Friday night game. Panini 543 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: is the title sponsor for the Rising Stars Challenge, which 544 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: has twenty eight guys first year players, second year players, 545 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: guys from the G League, including Mac McClung, who we 546 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: will see defending his slam Dunk championship in Indianapolis after 547 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: he told me earlier in the season that he was 548 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: still thinking about it, deliberating about it. So I'm super 549 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: excited to see all my Panini pals and get with 550 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: them and see if they can help me get to 551 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: some of these younger guys that you are always telling 552 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: me I need to do a better job of trying 553 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: to connect with. So hopefully with an assist from my 554 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: dear friends from Panini, I'm going to meet a few 555 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: more of these younger competitors in the Rising Stars field 556 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: and like here, you know, in all seriousness, Indianapolis is 557 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: one of my favorite cities on the NBA map. I 558 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: always love going there, and from the moment this All 559 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: Star Game was awarded to Indy, I've been trying to 560 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: find a way to get myself there and I'm just 561 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: relieved in the end that I did come up with 562 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: a way. But look, if we really want to go 563 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: inside baseball here. I mean, I'm not going to lie 564 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: to you. The All Star Game. My last four years 565 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: at ESPN, I covered the All Star Game for ESPN Radio. 566 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: ESPN Radio's All Star broadcast team gets the exact same 567 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: access as the TNT squad. It's Chris Haynes level access. 568 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: When you have that level of access to the All 569 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: Star Game when you are on floor level, and then 570 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: when you lose that and try to go back to 571 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: the quote real world is very very hard. So I 572 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: admittedly struggle with that because I remember how good I 573 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: used to have it those you know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, 574 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: was it? Yeah, four at least four years, maybe five. 575 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: And I also in twenty nineteen when I was at 576 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: the New York Time Times, I got to pinch hit 577 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: for a weekend and spend that whole weekend in Charlotte 578 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: with the ESPN Radio. So doing covering the All Star 579 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: Game at floor level is such an intoxicating experience, which 580 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: is what you get to do. Once you've done it 581 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: at that level, it is really hard to just go 582 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: back up one hundred rows and be nowhere near the court. 583 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: So I'm giving you the I'm giving you the reel there, man, 584 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: that that's the real deal. 585 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 2: So you're spoiled, spoiled. 586 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: I was spoiled. I mean I think my last I 587 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: think in that Charlotte All Star game. I mean I 588 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: was on All Stars Saturday night. I basically got to 589 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: sit right behind the bench. So when you're that, when 590 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: you're that close, I mean it's uh, I mean you 591 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: know you'll be down there. 592 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, So Stein, real quick, you were talking 593 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 2: about the Rising Stars? What does the Rising Stars consist of? 594 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,439 Speaker 2: What do you have to be? Again? 595 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: I think, Look, I don't I don't even know all 596 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: the rules exactly, but basically there's twenty eight players. I 597 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: think they divided into four teams of seven. 598 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 2: Uh huh yep, what company? Like, what are the qualifications? Yeah, 599 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 2: I am hold on, but I want to get I 600 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 2: want to get I'm getting this something here. What are 601 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 2: qualifications of competing in this Rising Stars game? 602 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: You're a first year player, second year player, or a 603 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: G leaguer? 604 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm glad you mentioned that. Do you 605 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: know that's this is Scoot Henderson's third time Yeah, being 606 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 2: the Stars game. Don't you know he will most likely 607 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: be there for a fourth time next year, and that's 608 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 2: how many years can you be a rising star? 609 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: That will be a record that's never broken. 610 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,959 Speaker 2: He's a rising star vet, you know, four it's gonna 611 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 2: be four years, two years as a gen leaguer. 612 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: You're covering it, right, I'm gonna ask him about that. 613 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm asking about that. I'm like, I'm like, hold on, 614 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: you have the most experienced at anybody here, Like, do 615 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 2: you have any experience too, you know, to pass down 616 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: to your other rookies, other fellow first or sophomore freshman 617 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 2: of sophomore players here. You know, I'm joking here, but yeah, 618 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: I forgot about Like this was Scoop's third and he's 619 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 2: wife is going to get a fourth next year. Then 620 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 2: he'll be done. I don't think. I don't think you 621 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 2: get a red shirt or extra year. I don't know 622 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 2: if he can do that, but four years is pretty amazing. 623 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: Four is enough. Four is enough college. But there's no 624 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: such thing as enough Chris Haynes. So get ready, America 625 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: because All Star Weekend. 626 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 2: Wife will say, All Star Weekend, you're. 627 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: Gonna see a lot of them. All right, let's put 628 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: a bow on this edition of this league. Uncut. We 629 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: really didn't get to the Lakers and their trade deadline machinations, 630 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: but something tells me that when we RecA later this week, 631 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: we will be talking about the Lakers plenty, whether they 632 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: do or don't make a trade, because obviously all of 633 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: that factors into the Lebron James calculus with what happens 634 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: with Lebron after the season and his player option. And remember, 635 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: as Chris Haynes has already explained to our audience, he's 636 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: in New York all week. He's on the TNT sidelines 637 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: Tuesday night for Mavericks at nets Kyrie Irving's return to Brooklyn, 638 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 1: and then he will stay in New York to stay 639 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: dialed in on this trade deadline. And Chris and I 640 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: will get together again this week for at least one 641 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: more podcast. Remember, as always, please follow the show, rate 642 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: the show, review the show, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get 643 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: your podcasts. Thanks for joining us as always, and be powers. 644 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: Chris and I back together again with you very very 645 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: take care everybody, and that'll do it for us, See 646 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: you next time. This League and Cutta is an iHeartRadio 647 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: production puck a lock up Chris Hanes and Mark Stein