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Speaker 2: I think there's real value in being that thorn in

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Speaker 1: Shout out Suburban legends for that clip an all time

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Speaker 1: He really this is Chris, I believe. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: From Patreon there are so many different ways that you

433
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Speaker 2: can answer this question, he says, freshman, newcomer transfer. Really

434
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Speaker 2: could be anybody, Yeah, could be anybody. I'm interested in

435
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Speaker 2: the quinn Ewers thing, Okay, when yours isn't under the

436
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: radar by any stretch. That's partially by design. But we

437
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: just haven't seen any actual gameplay from him yet. And

438
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Speaker 2: can he be the guy who elevates the Texas the

439
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 2: Sark offense to a different level and finally gets Texas

440
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: to what we would consider quote unquote back mm hmm, maybe, sir. Personally,

441
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Speaker 2: I'm interested in Tyler Buckner, the real TB twelve, as

442
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Speaker 2: you and I have started referring to him on our

443
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: slack chat Buckner, we didn't see a whole lot of them.

444
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: I think the bits and pieces we did for me

445
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: as a Notre Dame fan were frustrated because I know

446
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: he can do more than just run. This season, it's

447
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: his team. This season, we'll find out what Buckner's made

448
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 2: out of and hopefully he can stay healthy and hopefully

449
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 2: we can see that true dual threat nature to his

450
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: game and what Tommy Reese and unfetter Tommy rees can

451
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Speaker 2: do with that remains to be seen. Other names that

452
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 2: jump out to me, I am a little bit selfish

453
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Speaker 2: with the answer to this question. Nicholas Singleton for Penn State, right,

454
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Speaker 2: the heralded running back out of Redding, PA, The five star.

455
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: Penn State's running game has been truly awful the last

456
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Speaker 2: two seasons, and it is painful to watch that occur,

457
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Speaker 2: if only because in recent memory we've got the Saquon

458
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Speaker 2: Barkley eram. A lot of that was probably Saquon's individual

459
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Speaker 2: brilliance overcoming some shortcomings on the offensive line, But it's

460
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Speaker 2: hard to go from watching Saquon to watching what Penn

461
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Speaker 2: State's been as a a rushing team over the last

462
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Speaker 2: couple of seasons. Can Singleton do that? Can Singleton do

463
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Speaker 2: the Saquon stuff? Probably not, but he's a pretty gifted runner.

464
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: He can get north and south pretty quickly, and if

465
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Speaker 2: any of what he did in high school translates to

466
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Speaker 2: the college game, that could be a really exciting moment

467
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 2: for Penn State football.

468
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Speaker 1: In that offense, I've.

469
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Speaker 2: Already got Sean Clifford. It's gonna be a year two

470
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Speaker 2: is of Mike Yersic. Let's see what they can do

471
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Speaker 2: with a bona fide five star running back in Nick Singleton,

472
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Speaker 2: other names.

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Speaker 1: Other names. I've got a lot, I've got a lot.

474
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Speaker 1: I mean Caleb Williams at USC with the receiver throwing

475
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: to Mario Williams and Jordan Addison. Sure, no excuse, Like, look,

476
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Speaker 1: the USC's offensive line will only be well, we'll should

477
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: probably be fine, but nothing crazy. It's not what Oklahoma's

478
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Speaker 1: was for all those years. I am. I'm curious about

479
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Speaker 1: the freshman quarterbacks who are already going to be the

480
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Speaker 1: most popular players on the team behind Sean Clifford and

481
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Speaker 1: dj Uyungala La. So you got dru Alar at Penn

482
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: State who physically looks the part, right, he's a bigger dude, Yeah,

483
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Speaker 1: I believe right, fall are bigger, and then Kate Klubnick

484
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: at Clemson because they're already like, yeah, if he's good,

485
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: yeah quickly if Dju isn't, well, that conversation start to happen.

486
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: So those are some I'm curious about the eventual deep

487
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: rotation of Texas A and M's defensive line. You know,

488
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: Walter Nolan and the guys like that who came in

489
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: and are immediately going to be pretty dangerous as far

490
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Speaker 1: as I can tell, DJ Diurkins defense as he replaces

491
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Speaker 1: Mike Elko. There have been quarterback transfers all over. I

492
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: mean Dylan Gabriel at Oklahoma. That's it's a fun system

493
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: that Jeff Levy runs. The depth of receiver and offensive

494
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: skill talent isn't there to me the way has been

495
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: these past years, which is okay. But I think he's

496
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Speaker 1: talented enough and you know what he can do in

497
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: bombing it downfield, and has the experience with Jeff Levy,

498
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Speaker 1: which I think makes it interesting enough. I mean, those

499
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Speaker 1: are headline type programs and the headline type players at

500
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Speaker 1: those programs. Here's another name, just in terms of younger

501
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks pushing in trench starters. What about JJ McCarthy at

502
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: Michigan The uh there's a legend of JJ McCarthy. Yeah,

503
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: there's a lot around the sport this year that's just

504
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: low key. Well, if this guy doesn't really improve, who's

505
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: the probable starter, Like I don't know, there's somebody behind

506
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Speaker 1: him who we can have a conversation about in Week five.

507
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of that within the sport this year,

508
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: very quietly, and some of it's already like shaken out

509
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: with like Blake Shapin taking over for Bohannon, even though

510
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: Bohannon was the entrent starter, but Shapen looked good in

511
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: his limited time at Baylor when Bohannon was hurt. There's

512
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: a lot of that around the sport. Like we got

513
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Speaker 1: an email that was like, hey, guys, just so you know,

514
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Speaker 1: Garrett and Asmeyer is going to be the guy at LSU. Great,

515
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Speaker 1: that's a name I'm interested in. All of of a

516
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: sudden has one of the probable what three to five

517
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: best receivers in the game in Kay sham Boute. Like

518
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: it's all over the place that we have these just

519
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: very quiet quarterback not battles, but somebody waiting in the

520
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: wings that has people more intrigued. I mean it's the

521
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Speaker 1: old you know, is the backup better than the starter

522
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: kind of thing. There's a lot of that this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did you mention Evan Stewart for a and m wide out?

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Speaker 1: No? No, I mean yeah, he's he's for sure a

526
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: new name that he's Freshman receivers can be tricky, but yes.

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Speaker 2: I think he's the real deal and I think if

528
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Speaker 2: if if as good as advertised, he could help take

529
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Speaker 2: that offense to another level. Just his ability to get downfield,

530
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Speaker 2: it is really exciting. I'm also excited to see Bo Nicks.

531
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Speaker 2: I never thought i'd say I never thought i'd say that.

532
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Speaker 2: You don't mean that, and Idi, you are fronting for

533
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Speaker 2: the verballers.

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Speaker 1: I am not fronting.

535
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Speaker 2: I am genuinely excited to see what that looks like

536
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: because it always felt like a.

537
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Speaker 1: Weird transfer to me.

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Speaker 2: I understand the connection to Kenny Dillingham, but yeah, to

539
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: go from Auburn where he's a legacy and everybody liked

540
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: him to Oregon in a place where nobody knows him,

541
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Speaker 2: he's not familiar, and he's just following a coach that

542
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: coached him up to some degree as freshman year. Right,

543
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Speaker 2: I'm genuinely excited see what that looks like.

544
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Speaker 1: So I don't know what the Oregon offense looks like.

545
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Speaker 2: And Bo Nixon is like the the the poster child

546
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Speaker 2: for it in whatever incarnation it takes on.

547
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Speaker 1: What about Spencer Rattler? Sure, yeah, great answer. I'm not

548
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: as excited for that me neither. I'm just Rattler's stock

549
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: is low right now, but certainly better than where they

550
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: were a quarterback last year. Yeah, it's it's in general

551
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Speaker 1: It's the theme of this year and it will probably

552
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Speaker 1: be a theme moving forward. Is there are so many

553
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks on the move, how quickly can they gel with coordinators, receivers,

554
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Speaker 1: head coaches, new places, dealing with off field drama. Because

555
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Speaker 1: the more you move around, the further you are from

556
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: your friends, you're you know, whoever, you're dating, your family, whatever, Like,

557
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: there are more human changes to these quarterbacks moving around.

558
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: The low key name I'm interested in is Cameron Ward

559
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: at Wazoo, my boy, because that just doesn't work the

560
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: FCS to FBS and Vernon Adams at least had the experience.

561
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: He's like the lone success story. That to me is

562
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Speaker 1: interesting because you know, I'm gonna die of that hill.

563
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm all in on Cameron word. Wazoo is

564
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: a very much boomer bust school. I know, as they

565
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: make that borderline emotional decision to keep with Jake Dickert after,

566
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Speaker 1: you know he's able to navigate them in the in

567
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: the wake of everything that happened off the field with

568
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Speaker 1: Nick Rolovich. If he's as special as he was at

569
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Speaker 1: a lower level, if he shows the flashes of of brilliance,

570
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I spent two weeks in the later half of December,

572
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Speaker 2: watching every Cameron re ward video on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: I remember I'm all in. I'm all in, yeah, I'm

574
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Speaker 1: hell or high water, I'm all in. Yeah. I hope

575
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Speaker 1: Sam Houston State is on Wazoo's schedule for like seven

576
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Speaker 1: straight weeks. Next question, Next question, All right, next question.

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Speaker 1: What is something you've changed your mind about with with

578
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Speaker 1: regard to college football since you first started covering the sport.

579
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Speaker 1: That's from Tiger Chant Tiger Chant, you what something you've

580
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: changed your mind about with college football. I know you've

581
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: mentioned the scholarship thing before that that was a suitable

582
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: enough reward. Yeah, that's the big time college football.

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Speaker 2: That's my answer, and I am gonna use it again

584
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Speaker 2: here because I get it's worthy of repeating it. I

585
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: was raised by a first grade teacher, m HM, who

586
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: taught me that education is everything, and that very much

587
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Speaker 2: played into the whole scholar I'm quoting here a quotes

588
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Speaker 2: for the Yeah, non visual medium that the scholarship should

589
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: quote unquote be enough, right, and I still believe that

590
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Speaker 2: education is everything. It's important, right, It is something that

591
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: should be emphasized, especially if we're going to continue calling

592
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Speaker 2: this college football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I fully disagree.

594
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Speaker 2: However, However, however, I do think the mindset, the scholarship

595
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: is everything mindset is antiquated and too simplistic in today's

596
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Speaker 2: day and age.

597
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.

598
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Speaker 2: And the moment for me did not come while doing

599
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Speaker 2: this podcast. It came when a good friend of mine

600
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Speaker 2: was a walk on kicker at Penn State and his

601
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: quote to me was, they owned me. This is Robbie

602
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Speaker 2: gold era Penn State. Okay, a walk on kicker doing

603
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Speaker 2: his best and trying to get some sort of FaceTime,

604
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Speaker 2: some sort of playing time, be it as a kickoff special,

605
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Speaker 2: as an on side kick special, if just anything, tryind

606
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Speaker 2: of trying to carve out his little his little spot

607
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: on the roster, and even for a walk on fledgling

608
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: never going to play kicker, they owned them. Yeah, And

609
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: what he went through to be part of the football

610
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: program was all consuming. There was no time for anything else,

611
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: not the least of which was class right, And so

612
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: that that really changed my perspective on thanks and the

613
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Speaker 2: lengths to which even no name will never play talent

614
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Speaker 2: has to go through to try and be part of

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Speaker 2: the college football experience. It just seemed to me like

616
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: maybe education isn't everything here? Maybe maybe there needs to

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00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: be something that can help give these players a little

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Speaker 2: bit more for their efforts. And that seed has been

619
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Speaker 2: growing for a while now, and certainly as we've done

620
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: this podcast, I've and now we've arrived at this nil era.

621
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Speaker 2: It's now a fully blooming tree of just pay the

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Speaker 2: damn players.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out an example of something, a

624
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: topic about which I've been wrong, and I just keep

625
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: coming back to like I'm just nailing everything over and

626
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: over time. I'm just nailing it over and over. I look,

627
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: I've been wrong about a ton of head coaching hires,

628
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: for sure that I thought were going to work out.

629
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Speaker 1: But with regard to the sport itself, there's not much.

630
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Speaker 1: There's not much that that has been dramatic, because I

631
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: will know so I've always been a proponent of like

632
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: they're making a lot of money these schools. I'm trying

633
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: to think, what is there that I've changed my mind

634
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Speaker 1: about dramatically. Okay, I've done an about turn. Obviously, I've

635
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: been vocal about my thoughts on the postseason. I was

636
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Speaker 1: pro playoff. I was all about, like, let's move to

637
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Speaker 1: a playoff, let's get eight teams or twelve teams or

638
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: sixteen teams. Let's settle things on the field. It's so

639
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: frustrating that we can have these situations. We can have

640
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: a split national champion. We can have the AP give

641
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: it to USC and the BCS give it to LSU

642
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's ridiculous. That is a ridiculous thing for

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00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: a major sport to do. And I still feel that way.

644
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: I think split national champions are ridiculous. But I was

645
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Speaker 1: positive the playoff was going to be awesome for college football.

646
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: I was positive it was going to on a competitive plane,

647
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: make things more interesting with more access for teams, and

648
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: it has made the sport so much worse from afar,

649
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: Like on any given Week seven that you know Minnesota

650
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: is playing Iowa or Oregon's playing like, that's still great.

651
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: Like the actual games are amazing, The actual experience is incredible.

652
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: The other thing that I've changed on and I think

653
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: it's sort of overrated and on rated. I think because

654
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: the way I started my career after college going to

655
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: games and going to tailgates, that I think my opinion

656
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: that going to college football games was great has gotten worse.

657
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: Like I am so much less inclined to figure out

658
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: how to get to a game. Now, I live where

659
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: I live, and I've moved all over and I was

660
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: in New York in LA, and there's just not a

661
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: lot of big college football games within driving distance of

662
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: those places. But I thought going to games was the

663
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: end all be all. I think going to tailgates remains.

664
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: I think going to the place of the game remains

665
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: the greatest thing in the world. Well, eating food with

666
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: your friends and family and watching games on TV. Whatever.

667
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: I loved going to games. And the last few games

668
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: I've been to, granted have been Bowl games, and you know,

669
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: non non you know, campus sites and stuff like that.

670
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: It's not a good experience. So I'm glad to bring that.

671
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: I'm glad you bring that up because the second part

672
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: of his question was what's the most underrated part of

673
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: college football? And the most underrated part of college football

674
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: is a tradition, bar none, all right, It's a texture

675
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: that makes college football college football.

676
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: It's a tie that binds everybody who roots for the sport.

677
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: I had a very interesting conversation with a friend, a

678
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: mutual friend of ours, Larry, who listens to the show,

679
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: and we were talking about Ohio State's a big Ohio

680
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: State fan, and he said his comment to me was

681
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: about tradition. I would rather go to an Ohio State

682
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: game and experience all the traditions, right, the band on

683
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: the field, all the pregame stuff, all the traditions that

684
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: go with Ohio State football. I would rather take that

685
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: experience than an experience that.

686
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: Is void of all the tradition.

687
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 2: Of course, I would take the tradition a million times

688
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: out of a million over just going to see a

689
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: sterile Ohio State Michigan game.

690
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: Right. And I've been thinking about that ever since he

691
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: mentioned it, and I think he's right.

692
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: The tradition is truly what makes the sport unique is

693
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: the what remains, even though everybody knows about it, the

694
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: most underrated component of college football. And if you don't

695
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: believe me, go watch to the NFL, or go to

696
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: an NFL game, and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

697
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: Each team, the Eagles may have their fly Agles fly chant,

698
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: it may be a very hostile and.

699
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: Get the Bills mafia jumping through table.

700
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: I mean, every team has their thing, but none of

701
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: those pro teams is college. None of them have the

702
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: college football experienced in the way that we are privileged

703
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 2: to have it here at the Soliverbal and as college

704
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: football fans at large.

705
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: I agree. The worst part of going to a college

706
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: football game is probably the experience of watching the football

707
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: game because of how slow the game appears to be

708
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: in person and the TV timeouts and god, is there

709
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: anything worse than seeing the TV ref on the field

710
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: with the big neon orange wristband or whatever. Somebody I

711
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: just hit my table.

712
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: Somebody who follows media and how the commercial structure and

713
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: all that stuff would probably tell me I'm wrong about this. Yeah,

714
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: there got to be more commercials at NFL games, aren't there.

715
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 2: I've been NFL games, Well, it feels like there's twice

716
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 2: as many.

717
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, part of it is that college games

718
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: take longer because of the way the clock stoppage rules

719
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: are different in college in the NFL, So there's that

720
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: element to things. But everything about going to a college

721
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: football game in person is incredible, except for the football

722
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: experience at times. Uh, it's just a better TV sport

723
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: than it is an in person sport. Now, watching a

724
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Speaker 1: game with other fans is the best. Celebrating with other

725
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: fans or being nervous with other fans and complete strangers

726
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: around you. That's incredible tailgating, the best of the best,

727
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: all of the traditions, the band, you know, the sayings.

728
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: You know at autsin Stadium they say it never ruins

729
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: at Autson Stadium. Blah blahy blah, it's liquid sunshine. All

730
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: that stuff is corny and cheesy and the best. The

731
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: pain of getting to games and parking and waiting in

732
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: line with tickets or waiting in line for the bathroom.

733
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: That's that's where it takes a hit that, you know,

734
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: stadium experience has not I don't care about Wi Fi

735
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: that much. I've changed on that. It's fine watch a

736
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: football game, hang out with your people, but if you

737
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: need to call an uber, but if you need to,

738
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: like you know, actually use your phone to call Triple

739
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: A because as I've done, left your battery on accidentally

740
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: in the parking lot. It's nice to have internet access.

741
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that, to me is the underrated part

742
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: of going to college football games is, or the underrated

743
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: part of college football is forever going to be everything

744
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: that surrounds the sport because you can never properly rate it.

745
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: It's the best and anything short of that is not

746
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: doing a justice. Next question, yeah, next, all right, these

747
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: have all been from overballers. Colin. If you could choose

748
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: any team beside your own for everything to go quote right,

749
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: for who would it be? Okay, I know your answer

750
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: is Texas.

751
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: No it isn't. Oh, okay, it isn't Texas. That would

752
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: be the obvious answer for me. So he said, outside

753
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 2: of your team. So I'm gonna strike from the record

754
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: any Notre Dame or Penn State stuff. Yep, Tennessee winning

755
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: the SEC. Oh God, Tennessee winning the SEC would cause

756
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: a lot of soul searching among the current powers in

757
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: that conference. Yeah, all right, yeah, that would be That

758
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: would be fun. I think fun to cover. I'm maybe

759
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: coming at this from a different perspective as somebody who

760
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: runs a national podcast, but I think that would make

761
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: for very interesting story lines.

762
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you're asking about the missing piece to an

763
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: entertaining season, essentially.

764
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: Nebraska, Nebraska, if only because we kind of feel like

765
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: everything went wrong last year? So what happens if it

766
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: goes right?

767
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: Ah? Do they win the West? Do they contend? I

768
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: still don't think they contend, but.

769
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: I think if only because the universe was very cruel

770
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: to the corn Husters last season. I would very much

771
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: like to see what happens if it all goes right.

772
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: That's another answer for me. Everything going right for BYU

773
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: this season means that there is another uncomfortable group of

774
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: five slash independent playoff conversation, and I'm always game for those.

775
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: You know this, h It also probably means they beat

776
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, which I'm not down for. But if a

777
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: result of BYU beating Notre Dame is that we've got

778
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: that uncomfortable playoff discussion, I'm okay with it. I think okay,

779
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. At least they lost to a

780
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: playoff team.

781
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: Hey right.

782
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: And then the other one is my pet team of

783
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: the year, which is Texas Tech.

784
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, continue, yeah, it's Texas Tech.

785
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: Everything quote unquote going right for the Red Readers probably

786
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: means like eight and four. Sure, but it's a fun

787
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: as hell eight and four, isn't it.

788
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: You want competent thorns in the sport.

789
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: I do want I do so eight and four everything

790
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: quote unquote going right.

791
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: For the Red Raiders.

792
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: That's a fun as hell's season for us to cover.

793
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: Those are my four answers just off the bat, what

794
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: about you.

795
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: I want Virginia Tech to strike gold with Brent pry okay,

796
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: apparent alleged massive hog alleged of course, per message for

797
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: a genius's post. Yeah, there's something about Virginia Tech that

798
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: there seems to be a void in the ACC. All

799
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: due respect to North Carolina basketball school, all due respect

800
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: to NC State, and the ACC is a basketball conference

801
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: traditionally speaking, but that brings some balance into the college

802
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: football universe within that conference, especially that we haven't had

803
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: and you can and they fall under that, like, look,

804
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: they're not going to win eleven games, but a full

805
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: on good Virginia Tech team this year whatever that means,

806
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: that's interesting. That's interesting for the conference. That's interesting for

807
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: a conference desperate for a good defense. That would be

808
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: my answer. At least within the ACC. We can have

809
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: a Florida State conversation as well. I'm not desperate for

810
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: Florida State to be amazing whatever. Within the SEC, I

811
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: think Tennessee is a good answer. I also would be

812
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: within the ACC Louisville just because they have a quarterback

813
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: I like, and the recruiting on a high level, I think,

814
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, Adidas is getting very involved with in il

815
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, so that would be really nice.

816
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: I think Texas Tech is the answer, maybe TCU within

817
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: the Big twelve, because that means Sonny Dike's system and

818
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: quarterback development in the short term got nailed, absolutely got

819
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: nailed in Fort Worth, so I'm good with that. I

820
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: think UCLA would provide some balance. We talked about having

821
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: talent not leave the West Coast and the Pac Twelve

822
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: do more to establish itself via teams actually being good

823
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: as a big time conference, UCLA being really good even

824
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: though they went what eight and four last year with

825
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: a really good offense. Chip Kelly's that known quantity within

826
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: the sport and UCLA is that no, I'm basketball school again.

827
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: I think that would be an answer that would bring

828
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: balance in a missing piece to the sport, so that

829
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: I just would like it to happen because I grew

830
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: up a UCLA fan in southern California and it would

831
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: be to see it come full circle with the coach

832
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: that was formative to my college football enjoyment. Otherwise, I

833
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: don't know. I have a soft spot for a number

834
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: of these West Coast teams just because it's where I'm from.

835
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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of it. With the teams that

836
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned as well. I think those are all good answers.

837
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: So all right, good answer, next question, good answer, next

838
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: next question. But Kansas State top three Big twelve finish.

839
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: Thomas wants to know Tom going for it here?

840
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: Okay, I we had Bill on Bill Connolly ESPN. I

841
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: believe in passing. He mentioned that Kansas State is either

842
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: a top fifteen caliber team or at least has a

843
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: top fifteen caliber defense.

844
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially. He liked the defense especially, and you know

845
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: they have the most intriguing physical running back and the

846
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: sport induced vawn. So there's fun about there's fun things

847
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: about both sides the ball here.

848
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: I like k State. I'm rooting for KSE State. I

849
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: really like Chris Cleman. The problem that I have with

850
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: k State this year is I don't like the schedule.

851
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: I don't like the schedule at all. They're at Oklahoma,

852
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: They've got the Sandwich game after Oklahoma, coming back home

853
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: against Texas Tech, which there's our Farest Gump team of

854
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: the year. Yeah, who knows what to expect there? They

855
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: go to Iowa State, they go to TCU, they go

856
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: to Baylor, and then to top it all off, they

857
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: go to West Virginia, which is not an easy place

858
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: to play by any stretch of the imagination. The stretch

859
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: of games for k State between the end of September

860
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: and the middle of November, for my money, is among

861
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: the most brutal in the Big Twelve. And so I

862
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: don't care how good the team is, how good the

863
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: defense is, how good Adrian Martinez ends up being. I'm

864
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: just I'm really spooked by that schedule.

865
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: Top fifteen.

866
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 2: I don't think top fifteen, but I think they're probably

867
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: good enough to be ranked at the end of the season,

868
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: probably good enough to go eight and four amid that schedule.

869
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: But I just think it's going to be so tough

870
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: if they're good. I know you said you didn't care

871
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 1: if they're good, or you don't care how good they are.

872
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care how much talent they have.

873
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: Let me put it to you that way. I think

874
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: it will be difficult to have a good record, a

875
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: nine to three record, let's say, with the schedule that

876
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: they've gotten in front of them, it just keeps calling

877
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: it up right now, Yeah, I mean, I could read

878
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: it off to you. It starts fine, I'm a visual person.

879
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: I needed up Keennessas State god Kanisas State has the

880
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: SEO on KSU, woof wo. It starts South Dakota, Missouri.

881
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: Second week of the year, yep and two lane and

882
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: then they go right into the big twelve stuff at Oklahoma,

883
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, Iowa State on the road, then an off week,

884
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: then at TCU home against Oklahoma State, home against Texas,

885
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: next week at Baylor. They close out the season at

886
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: West Virginia home against Kansas. That's not an easy slate.

887
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: No, but it's a good year. You talk about it's

888
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: a difficult schedule. It's a good year to have a

889
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: difficult looking schedule in the summer because you're saying Iowa

890
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: State and TCU and Oklahoma State and Texas and Baylor

891
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: in a row appears to be difficult. But the floor

892
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: for some of those teams also is something that's a

893
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: bit of an unknown. Like we never thought TCU's defense

894
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: could look as bad as it did last year. So

895
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: even if TCU's defense improves, which oh, look, you're cherry picking.

896
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: You're cherry picking.

897
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: No, No, I am cherry picking cherry I'm saying is

898
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't even have TCU highlighted on our spreadsheet.

899
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: No, I know, but I'm saying just because they play

900
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: them in a row, they have TCU, Oklahoma State, Texas,

901
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: Baylor in a row. What I'm saying is it's kind

902
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: of a wide open Big twelve. And Bill Connelly's point

903
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: was top fifteen potential, not top fifteen caliber, And so

904
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: because of the nature of the combination of new quarterbacks

905
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: and new coaches and new systems on both sides of

906
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: the ball, and like, are you high on the JT.

907
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: Daniels Graham Harrold pairing without any real game changing type receiver,

908
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm not. Graham Harrold had game changing receivers at USC,

909
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: and like, that's what we saw from their offense. He

910
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: had five star quarterbacks with game changing receivers. It wasn't

911
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: an especially fun offense until they decided to throw everything

912
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: to Drake London. And even still they didn't win games.

913
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: So that doesn't do much for me. I'm just saying,

914
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: the continuity of having Chris Climb in a year whatever

915
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: it is you're three or four or something like that. Again,

916
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: so much change in that conference, Like Oklahoma State's defense

917
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: is going to take a step back. Texas's defense is

918
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: still probably going to be average at best. That you

919
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: talk about, not a wounders row. As we mentioned on

920
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: our schedule preview string of episodes. I don't know, man,

921
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: a good Kansas State team can go nine to three.

922
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm I'm saying there is a it's a toss up

923
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: right now for top three within the within the Big twelve.

924
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, opportunity, it's an opportunity truck situations. They

925
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: might just be top three by proxy by way of

926
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: all of those teams hitting walls in week eight, that

927
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: they just happen to find themselves right there because they're

928
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: a little bit more consistent than everybody. Now, the word

929
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: consistent and Adrian Martinez in the same thought exercise not ideal,

930
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: not ideal, but still I'm okay with it. I'm okay

931
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: with a good Kansas State team going nine and three,

932
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: especially with their association with Colin Klein. I'm good with it.

933
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: Next question, Next question, we'll do a couple more football

934
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: before going into non football questions. With Cincinnati. We'll say

935
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: Big twelve with Cincinnati, BYU Houston and UCF joining the

936
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: Big Twelve next summer. What's something about the current Big

937
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: Twelve that's on your bucket list before potentially goes away

938
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: next season. I don't know exactly what the illusion to

939
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: bucket list is because I'm not going to a Big

940
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: twelve game. No.

941
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: Well, at the moment, and I'm going to change this question.

942
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate, I appreciate something that's lost with this. Well,

943
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 2: let me change the question a little bit. Okay, my

944
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: answer to this question is Texas or Oklahoma winning the

945
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 2: Big Twelve. And here is why that's my answer. Yes,

946
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 2: it is not on my bucket list.

947
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: I don't care.

948
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just assume kay State win the Big Twelve. Yeah,

949
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 2: that'd be more interesting for us here on the show.

950
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: The reason it should be on every Texas and Oklahoma

951
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: fans bucket list is because when they go to the SEC,

952
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: it may never happen again. Right now, win the SEC,

953
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: you may not get to the playoff until they expand

954
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: to sixteen or one hundred or whatever they're going to

955
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: eventually end up doing. So get your getting while it's

956
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: good now, because when you go to the SEC, it's

957
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: going to be a lot harder to make it through

958
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: that field and give yourself an opportunity.

959
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: To win a national championships. Since no, that that makes

960
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: sense that My answer is basically, and every every program

961
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: has this where you have your rivals, you have your

962
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: Red River, right, you have your Pharmageddon, you have your whatever.

963
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: There's always you know, the revivalry that's a given. The

964
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: thing that's lost with so much so many teams moving

965
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: around in realignment is the almost it's not even second tier,

966
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: it's almost a third tier rivalry. The oh we always

967
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: have trouble with right Texas, we always have trouble with

968
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: Kansas State, Oh, Oklahoma, We've always got trouble with Iowa State.

969
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: And there it's it's the fabric of a season where

970
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: like as an Oregon fan, I have that team in

971
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: my mind. With a Notre Dame fan, you have that

972
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: team in your mind, probably in a different way. With

973
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: Penn State, you definitely like Iowa is not a rival

974
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: of Penn State, but buddy, Iowa and Penn State always

975
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: give each other a lot of fiss Yeah, And so

976
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: there's you have that that hitte that grows over time

977
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: where you're stringing together these seven games, these eleven games

978
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: of like, oh man, remember the Michael Robinson thing against

979
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: this team. Remember the Matt McGloin thing against this team.

980
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: And so in the case of the Big Twelve, it's

981
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: remembering those weird games between teams like for example, like

982
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: if Oklahoma State were to leave, if it were the

983
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: Pac sixteen, right, if Oklahoma State were to leave, then

984
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: you lose that weird bond between Oklahoma State and Iowa

985
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: State and the upset from twenty eleven. Right, So what

986
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: you're doing is you're shattering these very thin but still

987
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: meaningful connections throughout a conference. And so that's what you lose.

988
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: And look, we'll get the new we'll get new ones

989
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: for as long as Cincinnati, UCFBYU and Houston are in

990
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: the conference. But it takes a long time to develop

991
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: those type that type of scar tissue I think is

992
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: super valuable within college football. And I again I have

993
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: that for Oregon. Like Oregon in the Arizona schools not rivals,

994
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: very little in the way of connection, but like Dennis

995
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: Dixon towards ACL in the desert, Kellen Clemens and what

996
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: he you know, what he was able to do got

997
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: hurt in the desert, And Oregon has always had those

998
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: weird games against the Arizona schools. Now, if there's some

999
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: sort of super conference and Oregon is no longer playing

1000
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: those schools. It's okay, but you lose the scar tissue,

1001
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: and I think that is the like underrated part of

1002
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: the sport, all of the wounds that we've amassed as

1003
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: fans over the years or given over the years. So

1004
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: when you lose and everybody is throwing everything at Oklahoma

1005
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: and everybody's throwing everything at Texas, so that you upsetting

1006
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: one of those schools when they're at their best, now

1007
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: that that means less, now that you're no longer associated

1008
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: with those programs, I think that kind of sucks. So

1009
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: I am treasuring the last of those matchups. I'm treasuring

1010
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: the last of Texas Kansas State, you know, the last

1011
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: of TCU completely owning Texas over this last decade. Treasuring

1012
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: the last of like weird Oklahoma possibly losing to Kansas

1013
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: or either of those teams possibly or definitely losing to Kansas.

1014
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: That to me is like that shared history is what

1015
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to cherish these next couple of years or whatever.

1016
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: We also don't know exactly when this is going to happen.

1017
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: When that's true, when this move away, we may get

1018
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: the final two books of Game of Thrones before this happens,

1019
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: we have no idea when in fact these two programs

1020
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: are going to go to the SEC.

1021
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: By the way, who who else is Penn States scar

1022
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: tissue other than Iowa? Because I was at least like

1023
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: a really really good program, Like who is Penn State's

1024
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: we always have trouble?

1025
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: Well, there's Minnesota scar tissue dating back to nineteen ninety

1026
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: nine eight whenever that was. There is certainly scar tissue

1027
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: on the Ohio state side, because I feel like they've

1028
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: they've been close.

1029
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: But I'm talking like cet rival. Yeah yeah, yeah, like

1030
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: even though they're not good, there's always something tricky about.

1031
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: Them, they've had some and Minnesota is a pretty good answer. Yeah,

1032
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: Minnesota is up there.

1033
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 1: Obviously.

1034
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 2: The Iowa one is probably the one that that comes

1035
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: to mind first and foremost. There are some games against Northwestern,

1036
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 2: there have been some games there. I don't know if

1037
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: it's rises to the level of scar tissue.

1038
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we would be losing something as a sport

1039
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: if we didn't, Like if we were to go back

1040
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: and watch Saquon leaping over an Iowa defender, I mean,

1041
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: like the clash of those two helmets no longer exists.

1042
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: That's a bummer.

1043
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 2: Here's our final football question before we do one non

1044
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: football question and then do the rest of this show

1045
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: for our Patreon for bawlersover atverballers dot com. Okay, this

1046
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: question from Todd. If Texas goes five and seven or worse,

1047
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: we'll Sark get the boot.

1048
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: Man. I don't believe, so I get. I love that

1049
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: we're asking this question. So Sark in year two going

1050
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: five and seven, I think would get the benefit of

1051
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: go make some wholesale changes to your coordinators and assistance

1052
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: unless there is something specific about Sark and the culture

1053
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: of the Texas program, like guys just quit on him,

1054
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: have no interest in playing for him, see through him

1055
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: in some sort of meaningful way, that like this guy

1056
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: is a fraud on some level that is irreparable, because

1057
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: that is always on the table for anybody getting fired prematurely.

1058
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: That there is basically a zero confidence situation that can't

1059
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: get repaired. So if that's why they go fy and

1060
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: five and seven, that they go they start the season

1061
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: four and one with a win over Bama or five

1062
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: and zero with a win over Bama and completely collapse

1063
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: because of something interpersonal that Sark is directly involved in,

1064
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: then yes, it's on the table, especially if that interpersonal

1065
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: thing means that they don't have to pay Sark a buyout.

1066
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: So yes, if there's a Bobby Petrino situation, anybody's you know,

1067
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: able to be relieved of their duties. But short of that,

1068
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: short of Texas just being inconsistent and not making the

1069
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: types of defensive changes that they need to make, and

1070
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: are not tackling better and are making the same mistakes

1071
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: that they did last year, and that they're scoring twenty

1072
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: one in the first half and zero in the second half,

1073
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Speaker 1: I think he would get another year to change assistance

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Speaker 1: and strategy and maybe lose some of his responsibilities and

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Speaker 1: turn them over to whoever on offense. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I think you really have to stretch to

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Speaker 1: find a five and seven twenty twenty three Texas team.

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Speaker 1: And for that reason, I'm going to say I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this question is based in a lot

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Speaker 1: of reality. Coaching changes are a lot like selling your house. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm listening.

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Speaker 2: Ideally, you want to move on to a better situation, right,

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00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: but what is that better situation and what is the market. Right,

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00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: the market last year was insane, and per my note,

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Speaker 2: the current housing market it is also insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a little bit.

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Speaker 2: If you sell your house, you get Yeah, you now

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01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: have the trouble trying to find a new one. But

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Speaker 2: that's basically the same situation here for Texas. Are you

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Speaker 2: shopping in the Dave Randa neighborhood?

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Speaker 1: Is tave Randa is shopping in Austin?

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Speaker 2: Are you shopping in the Dion Sanders the Josh Hipel neighborhood? Like,

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Speaker 2: I have no idea who would the better option What

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01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: would the better neighborhood be for the Texas Longhorns at

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: this point because so many of the big name guys

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01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: have already been poached, I have already gone elsewhere. What

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Speaker 2: we saw last year was definitely a typical on the

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Speaker 2: coaching carousel, right, we always see movement. We don't generally

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Speaker 2: see that much high profile movement. If your taxes, presumably

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Speaker 2: you're not looking to downsize, you're looking to upsize.

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Speaker 1: You're looking to.

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Speaker 2: Revitalize the program and take it back to former glory.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know who that person would be. If

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Speaker 2: not Steve Sarkisian, who would you go out and get.

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Speaker 1: It almost doesn't matter when you have that kind of

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01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: stupid money, that if you fully believe that you can

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Speaker 1: throw money at this problem and solve it, which Texas

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01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: has a reputation of trying to do with the biggest

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Speaker 1: of names. Now coaches are becoming more and more hip

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Speaker 1: to the issues Texas has behind the scenes, and so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: do I want to make twelve million dollars at Texas

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Speaker 1: and deal with a whole boatload of crap? Or am

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Speaker 1: I good to making nine point two at LSU or

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Speaker 1: Oregon or USC or Notre Dame. Like that's the thing,

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Speaker 1: Like if Texas is a disaster this year and Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame goes ten and two or eleven and one, and

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Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman's this young up and comer and Texas is

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01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: like they identify him as like he's the guy we

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Speaker 1: want to and they throw fourteen million dollars at Marcus Freeman.

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Speaker 1: I think Marcus Freeman's smart enough to know there's a

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Speaker 1: reason why Texas has to pay a premium and he's

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Speaker 1: probably got it pretty good there. So that to me

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Speaker 1: is the issue that if Texas is going five and seven,

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Speaker 1: if Texas is missing Bowl games for consecutive years that

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Speaker 1: a lot of smart people are going to look at

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Speaker 1: that job and say, yeah, there's a ton of potential there,

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01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: but the reasons why they're not fulfilling that potential persist.

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Speaker 2: If Texas goes five and seven, are we talking about

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Speaker 2: an urban Meyer conversation?

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Speaker 1: Sure? I think it's stupid too, but there will be

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01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: factions that do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the name that comes to mind if they

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Speaker 2: go five and seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think he's radioactive, but I would agree. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But the Marcus Freeman thing also speaks to something that

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01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 2: has plagued a lot of other coaching hires in that

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01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: you're working with a very limited sample size and you're

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Speaker 2: paying a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Oh man, I just don't see it. But that's

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Speaker 1: me all right, Thanks everybody for listening. Hold on, We've

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Speaker 1: got one more. Do you want to go? Not one

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Speaker 1: non college football before we leave, Let's stick with Todd.

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Speaker 2: Here's our non college football question. Is a taste unintended

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01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: of what's to come if you go on over to

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Speaker 2: verballers dot com and sign up now. Is cheese pizza?

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Speaker 2: I ask you, Dandramstein Pizza condos sour Oh cheese pizza

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Speaker 2: for anyone over seventeen years old, over or underrated?

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts under obviously underrated, And I you want to

1149
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 1: ask me about something I've changed my mind on. That's

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: something since I started baking pizza ten, twelve, fourteen times

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01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: a week, that's something I've changed my mind on. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you go to a place that you are not

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01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: expecting good pizza to be served at, that's not great. English.

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01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: If you're going to a roller rink, right, if you're

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01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: going to a tourist y, you know you're by the beach, Yeah,

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01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: you're not getting good pizza. You might as well get

1157
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Speaker 1: pepperoni at a roller rink, right, you might as well

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01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: get sausage or like a veggie pie because it's probably

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Speaker 1: gonna need as much flavor as possible to combat the

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Speaker 1: probably pedestrian pizza effort overall. So, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: that type of place, like you're going to a vacation

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01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: destination and there's just like a big old brow hub

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Speaker 1: and they've got you know, they've got pizza, they got burgers,

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01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: they got wings, they got salads, Like, the pizza is

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: probably not gonna be great the more that this place

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Speaker 1: is cooking. So yes, load up on toppings at those places,

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Speaker 1: But if you are into pizza on some level beyond

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Speaker 1: its just being like something you find delicious, if you

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01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: are interested in finding really good pizza, you can taste

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Speaker 1: the tomato and the cheese and how good the crust

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Speaker 1: is primarily through ordering that plain cheese pie. I will

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Speaker 1: order both a lot of times, as I want to

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Speaker 1: try as much as I can, But I think it's

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Speaker 1: an underrated thing depending on the pizza destination. That's my

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01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: pretentious answer. Do you do feel that same way about,

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01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, a plain pie as you do like penne pasta,

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Speaker 1: Like that's your way to judge, Like just I do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I I do. I'm glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 2: I think we're of very penny vodka. Yeah, we're very

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Speaker 2: like mind here, Like it's sometimes very difficult to do

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Speaker 2: something that appears simple. Yeah, and cheese pizza I think

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Speaker 2: falls into that category.

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Speaker 1: It's a good BIGS line. Everybody makes it.

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Speaker 2: Everybody makes a lot of the same you know, pepperoni

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01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: saushas that type of pizza, but there's nothing more simple

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Speaker 2: than the old cheese pie. So I think it's very underrated. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: And if you're ordering pies for a bunch of people.

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Speaker 2: It's probably the one version of pizza that everybody can

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Speaker 2: agree on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's true. Under my take, if I'm going

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Speaker 1: to kick on my spurs at the Zesty Ranch, my take,

1192
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: which is an episode from a few weeks ago, a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, that we had takes on my pizza,

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Speaker 1: my Zesty Pizza take is the most overrated pizza that

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01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: people seem to quite literally love is the meat lover pie.

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Speaker 1: If you're putting on pepperoni, sausage, ham, bacon onto a

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01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: pizza one, it's delicious. I'm not gonna tell you it's

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Speaker 1: not delicious. It's delicious. But as far as pizzas go,

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Speaker 1: less to me is more still with toppings, like do pepperoni, garlic?

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01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: Do you know, sausage and onion? Whatever? But I think

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01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: you want to taste both the pizza and the toppings.

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Speaker 1: And when you start to load up with your supremes

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Speaker 1: or your meat lovers, I don't know what are they hiding.

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: It's what are you hiding? And it's just go to

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Speaker 1: a barbecue restaurant and get a meat platter. If you're

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Speaker 1: interested in meat, go get a meat platter like or

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01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: if you're interested in meat a ton of meat and pizza,

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01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: get a bucket of wings and a pizza like that

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Speaker 1: to me is generally speaking, meat lover's pizza is a

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Speaker 1: cover for probably not great pizza.

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Speaker 2: On that note, we're going to stop here on the

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Speaker 2: Public Show. This converse will rage long after the final

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Speaker 2: bell for about another half hour or so. Over on

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Speaker 2: our Patreon, which again you can find at verbalers dot com,

1215
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,520
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1216
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Speaker 2: and many other perks including discord including you know, being

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Speaker 2: part of polls and other things that we plan on

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Speaker 2: posting here in the very future. So we appreciate everybody

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Speaker 2: writing on in at sliverabletgmail dot com across all of

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Speaker 2: our social media platforms. The public shows will again be

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Speaker 2: back on Tuesday of next week as we inch ever

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Speaker 2: so close to college football previous season, but in the meantime,

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Speaker 2: Dan