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Speaker 1: about them all right, welcome too, episode thirty one of
Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast. And then this the first one, first
Speaker 1: second one of the year, right, second year Marion Morris
Speaker 1: is here, high Mary h Finally good to have you
Speaker 1: at the house, at the beautiful house. Oh thanks. I
Speaker 1: put you off for a while because you're too good
Speaker 1: to come in for a while. God, I felt like,
Speaker 1: I don't know about interview Stal, but I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to hold off because it was right when
Speaker 1: you were blowing up. And this last year and it's
Speaker 1: weird because I want to go back for a second.
Speaker 1: But this last year feels like it has been a
Speaker 1: tornado of just the tornado of Maren. Does it feel
Speaker 1: like that to you as well? Yeah? It does. And
Speaker 1: I'm still processing even after the holidays, still processing everything
Speaker 1: that had happened last year because it is too many
Speaker 1: things I think to be in one window of time.
Speaker 1: But I, yeah, my my head is still getting wrapped
Speaker 1: around everything, especially towards the end of the year. I
Speaker 1: feel like so much crazy stuff happened. If we were
Speaker 1: sitting in these chairs a year ago today, so January
Speaker 1: of and I would say, hey, what is your goal
Speaker 1: this year, like a year ago, what would you have
Speaker 1: said your goal was a year ago? Well, a year ago, Um,
Speaker 1: I just put Church out like it had just gone
Speaker 1: to radio. So that's just like a crazy concept. But
Speaker 1: I guess my hope a year ago was I hope
Speaker 1: people like my music enough for me to put this
Speaker 1: record out, because it's all really contingent on that um.
Speaker 1: And luckily, you know, people really responded to my Church,
Speaker 1: and I had Hero already waiting in the wings, and
Speaker 1: once it started to pick up traction, Um, we got
Speaker 1: an album at date and that was just an album, yea.
Speaker 1: Even to get an album for a new artist in
Speaker 1: the land of EPs first where they'll put out four
Speaker 1: or five songs kind of and you did that. But um,
Speaker 1: but to get an album, that's a big deal because
Speaker 1: that's a commitment financially from a record label. It is.
Speaker 1: It's it's a very big deal. And I've had so
Speaker 1: many friends in this town that have had record deals
Speaker 1: where they're so good and they've made these full records,
Speaker 1: but then they get shelved and they never come out
Speaker 1: or see the light of day. So there's always that
Speaker 1: fear that like, oh, of this doesn't get bought enough
Speaker 1: or spun enough on the radio, I won't get to
Speaker 1: share the larger story, the whole story with everyone. And
Speaker 1: um yeah, I'm very lucky that that did not happen.
Speaker 1: But um yeah, I was just I had I had
Speaker 1: already basically had most of the album done before I
Speaker 1: signed my label deal, so it was sitting for a
Speaker 1: while and I was just like, Okay, my church is
Speaker 1: going to be the first hello to the universe, I think.
Speaker 1: And then, um was that part of the deal when
Speaker 1: you signed with the label, like I'm coming and I
Speaker 1: want this to be the first song, because you have
Speaker 1: a little bit of negotiating power if you're coming with
Speaker 1: music and uh success digitally like you had, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you don't have to be developed or anything. A lot
Speaker 1: of baby artists they have to either signed, and they
Speaker 1: don't do these deals so much anymore because it's just not,
Speaker 1: um financially great for the label anymore. But um yeah,
Speaker 1: if you are already developed and you have like a
Speaker 1: concept and you're just really solid in your artists rye,
Speaker 1: you don't need to be told what to do or
Speaker 1: what to where, or how to speak or how to sound.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's a much less riskier um investment for them.
Speaker 1: So my Church was going to be your first single
Speaker 1: before you signed with anyone in your mind? Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: Like the day I wrote it, I kind of knew
Speaker 1: that was the one. So what if you would have said, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're here and they're like, you know, we're gonna hold off,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go with drunk girls, don't cry, or they did.
Speaker 1: They actually not drunk roles. They wanted to lead with eighties.
Speaker 1: My label was like, I think we should hold off
Speaker 1: on My Church. Um, I think it was so long ago.
Speaker 1: It feels like it was so long ago. But their
Speaker 1: reason was they they felt like that was the ace
Speaker 1: up their sleeve and they wanted to throw it out
Speaker 1: later and just get the like the party song out
Speaker 1: of the way. You know a lot of artists, like
Speaker 1: their labels do that where they'll put the the fun
Speaker 1: good time song out and then Okay, now people know
Speaker 1: who you are, Now we can show them how credible
Speaker 1: you are with this song. And um, I just didn't
Speaker 1: really feel like I wanted to go that route because
Speaker 1: it didn't make sense to me. I was like, if
Speaker 1: honestly the odds are against me, I'm a new artist,
Speaker 1: and I'm a girl. So if I'm going to come
Speaker 1: out with one and one only because this could very
Speaker 1: easily die, Um, I'm going to do the song that
Speaker 1: means the most to me and says all I want
Speaker 1: to say if I only got one shot with a song.
Speaker 1: So a year ago, I say, Okay, what's your goal
Speaker 1: this year? Um? I think what we're here one year
Speaker 1: ago right now, Mary, and what's your goal this year?
Speaker 1: You're you're a brand new Warreters. You got song just
Speaker 1: came out, Like, what's your goal this year? I think
Speaker 1: my goal was just for people to understand my perspective
Speaker 1: because I don't know. I that sounds very vague, but
Speaker 1: I just wanted to, I guess, test the waters and
Speaker 1: see if you know, just being an artist was even
Speaker 1: going to be working for anyone outside of my own head.
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, and I hate to, you know, put
Speaker 1: so much stock into what others think, but it's like
Speaker 1: that that's what you do. It's like your music, but
Speaker 1: the reason you write it is so other people can
Speaker 1: relate to it and have that experience with you and
Speaker 1: as a human being. And so I just hoped a
Speaker 1: year ago, God, I I hope someone likes this. I
Speaker 1: like it, but I hope someone else gets it too.
Speaker 1: What was your perspective if you say you wanted your
Speaker 1: perspective out there, I don't know. I mean I think
Speaker 1: what I was missing from music, especially like from the
Speaker 1: female outlook, was just um an independence and I I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be like a dude basher by any means.
Speaker 1: I adore love songs and I've written hundreds of them.
Speaker 1: But I was just at the time of this record
Speaker 1: being written, I wasn't really in love. I was coming
Speaker 1: out of a really bad relationship, and um, I think
Speaker 1: as a woman, I just wanted to be inspired when
Speaker 1: I turned the radio on and here like a woman
Speaker 1: singing back to me, not about a relationship for once.
Speaker 1: You know it's and that's fine if they are, but
Speaker 1: I feel like the diversity is sort of lacking where
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, well we do have a little bit
Speaker 1: more to talk about here. I mean, dang, like talk
Speaker 1: about getting drunk or or a fight you had with
Speaker 1: your mom or something. It's just like a real life
Speaker 1: experience instead of always chasing the guy down. I just um,
Speaker 1: I I was obviously was like very bitter back then
Speaker 1: thinking that But I still think that today, and I'm
Speaker 1: in a relationship with someone I really love and gets
Speaker 1: what I'm doing and isn't threatened by a powerful women
Speaker 1: or strength or success. I still crave that perspective from
Speaker 1: a female, um where it's just not about love, it
Speaker 1: could be about anything. Um yeah, I think that's the
Speaker 1: perspective I wanted to bring to the table, is um
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not like I don't have my sight
Speaker 1: set on marriage or like having a baby right now.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm in my mid twenties and that's a
Speaker 1: really special time because, uh, the generational pull from like,
Speaker 1: you know, when my mom was my age, she when
Speaker 1: she was my age now she already had a five
Speaker 1: year old me and I it's bizarre to think about
Speaker 1: that now. But I just didn't. I didn't. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm rambling. I I just wanted to be a
Speaker 1: want I talk about of Um yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: forget where I was going. I feel like I led
Speaker 1: myself down a rabbit trail. But um yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the perspective I was craving, and
Speaker 1: the perspective I thought I was bringing at the table.
Speaker 1: You know, you're getting a lot of you, and you
Speaker 1: are getting it now. A lot of females even mails
Speaker 1: that are going to use you as something in their
Speaker 1: life to aim toward or to have you as a peer.
Speaker 1: Who for you are those important peers that have kind
Speaker 1: of put you in the place where you are now. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: I have so many, but to sort of like rattle
Speaker 1: off some like current ones that I'm like very inspired
Speaker 1: by right now. I mean Miranda Lambert. She put out
Speaker 1: a weight of these Wings and I think it's incredible.
Speaker 1: And I have always really, in I guess, looked up
Speaker 1: to her in a way because you know, she's like
Speaker 1: a fellow Texan and she's just a badass, and she
Speaker 1: is an amazing songwriter, and I feel like she's a
Speaker 1: very powerful woman, but she's also afraid to be vulnerable
Speaker 1: or sensitive, um and wrong. I really like her her
Speaker 1: writing style. And I love Chris Stapleton, I love Thomas
Speaker 1: Rhett I just like I really and Sam Hunt. I
Speaker 1: like people that are not afraid to be different. And
Speaker 1: whether that's um, you know, being the bad guy in
Speaker 1: the song or paying tribute to traditions of the past
Speaker 1: sounds in country, or paving the way for the new
Speaker 1: sound because it's ever changing. I'm inspired by artists that
Speaker 1: are not copies of other people. Do you ever get
Speaker 1: into a room and write with someone and you're like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm writing with this person, Like this
Speaker 1: is what what planted am I on? Yeah, I've had
Speaker 1: a bunch of those experiences, just as a songwriter who
Speaker 1: a young songwriter, because I had never really had any
Speaker 1: radio success as a songwriter until my Church and that
Speaker 1: was obviously my own song. But um, I've got into
Speaker 1: with like some really amazing people, and UM, I remember,
Speaker 1: like the biggest artist I got to write with was
Speaker 1: Carrie Underwood and that was like two and a half
Speaker 1: or three years ago, and I would be surprised if
Speaker 1: she even remembers it because it was so long ago
Speaker 1: and she was writing so much for that Storyteller album. Um,
Speaker 1: and then she ah, she invited me to come out
Speaker 1: to her writing cabin, and I was so scared because
Speaker 1: I I had never written with an artist that gigantic before,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I don't even know the drill, honestly,
Speaker 1: Like I've written a ton of songs, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't And I've listened to her music so I
Speaker 1: feel like I have a gist on you know, what
Speaker 1: she what she wants to say. But I I definitely
Speaker 1: was a sweaty palm to meeting her because that was
Speaker 1: the first time I met her was to write she's
Speaker 1: pretty disarming though, Yeah, and I'm doing a chance to
Speaker 1: get to know creat pretty well over the last if
Speaker 1: first kind of she's intimidating because she's very cool Wyatt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, she met does she not like me?
Speaker 1: But then you realize she's just soft until she's not,
Speaker 1: and then she's just awesome. Yeah, but she can be
Speaker 1: intimidating for a second. Well, yeah, it's intimidating because I
Speaker 1: mean she's I feel like she's always been famous and
Speaker 1: it's like from American Idol to Jesus take the Wheel
Speaker 1: to now there's really she's never had a down swing
Speaker 1: in her career. Really. Um So yeah, you walk in
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my gosh, this is like the
Speaker 1: carry Underwood and I had been around so many artists
Speaker 1: as a writer, but you still get like sort of
Speaker 1: jarred when you see people in person. But like after
Speaker 1: a few seconds, you know she like the ice was
Speaker 1: broken and she had a ton of great titles and ideas,
Speaker 1: and we wrote two songs that day, and yeah, that
Speaker 1: was one of the first Like whoa, I'm like in
Speaker 1: the room with this person. Were you eating off of
Speaker 1: songwriting at that point? Like you're paying your bills and
Speaker 1: in groceries because you're writing songs. Yeah, Um that was
Speaker 1: I'm still in my first publishing deal. This is my
Speaker 1: last year before that option, but um, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: like the first year I had my publishing deals. So
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, not banking by any means,
Speaker 1: but definitely living off of the songwriter draw. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of songwriters that come to the house too
Speaker 1: and we talk and uh Lee Thomas Miller, who was
Speaker 1: one of my dear friends, came and we talked for
Speaker 1: an hour and a half or so. When he said
Speaker 1: to him and Chris Stapleton, every other Wednesday for three
Speaker 1: years wrote together for three years. Every other Wednesday, they
Speaker 1: just went and wrote and that was just their thing.
Speaker 1: Do you have any friends partners like that that you're
Speaker 1: right with on a regular basis that you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we we just have to stay and kind of get
Speaker 1: into a groove and and stay in the groove, or
Speaker 1: you call and you're like, I have something. You know,
Speaker 1: you're kind of my partner in writing. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a few people like that because, um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like Nashville is so rich in that way.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can have a writing partner, but in Nashville,
Speaker 1: it's so collaborative that you you really do right with
Speaker 1: so many people that are your favorites. So, um, Buzzby
Speaker 1: is a big one for me. He uh really just
Speaker 1: pulled something out of me that I didn't even know
Speaker 1: was there when we started writing for Hero. You know,
Speaker 1: back then I didn't realize we were writing for my
Speaker 1: future record. But um, yeah, he's incredible because he's just
Speaker 1: like a freak of nature when it comes to music.
Speaker 1: And uh he's an incredible like soulful singer and piano
Speaker 1: player and um yeah, so he and he's just the best.
Speaker 1: I feel like he we're sort of like an old
Speaker 1: married couple when we write, like it's just the two
Speaker 1: of us and we'll like start something and we won't
Speaker 1: talk for the next like three or four hours. He'll
Speaker 1: start working on some like beat or track and building
Speaker 1: that and then I'll be working on the lyric and
Speaker 1: melody in my head. You know, with my laptop in
Speaker 1: the corner, and then like three hours later he'll turn
Speaker 1: around from his console and be like, are you ready
Speaker 1: to say ing? And I'd be like, I guess, I
Speaker 1: go up to the microphone. And then you know eighties
Speaker 1: Mercedes and that's so that's a song from you too,
Speaker 1: that where that happened where you guys set and it
Speaker 1: kind of came together that way. Yeah, And doesn't he
Speaker 1: have like a weird like back shed like Buzby, like
Speaker 1: where you work out of it and it's kind of
Speaker 1: his little space. Yeah. You walk out through his backyard
Speaker 1: and it's very quaint and it's just like a little shed.
Speaker 1: And that's where he wrote eighties Um. And then he
Speaker 1: is based in l A. So he has a Nashville
Speaker 1: in l A house. But we wrote My Church and
Speaker 1: how It's Done and once for the record out in
Speaker 1: l A. He worked with Keith a lot too, which
Speaker 1: all my worlds collide because Keith's actually a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: And and you went on tour with Keith and I
Speaker 1: guess I was watching your snap chet and ended up
Speaker 1: getting picked up by the blogs. But it looked like
Speaker 1: a batmobile that he sent you. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: that it was actually a batmobile, but just like a
Speaker 1: crazy car as a tour. What was That's an auto cycle?
Speaker 1: Um it, yeah, you're telling me. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: it was either, because I thought he was kidding. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a Polaris sling shot. What are you supposed to
Speaker 1: park that? That's like you must want a dog? Like,
Speaker 1: here's your gift. There's a Dalmatian. You're like, well, it's
Speaker 1: really cool about what I do with this? Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: It was one of those like and just insanely generous
Speaker 1: gifts where you're like, oh crap, Like I don't have
Speaker 1: a compound to put this on. I might, I don't have,
Speaker 1: um a garage, Like I live in East Nashville, like Inglewood.
Speaker 1: So I was trying to picture that parked in the
Speaker 1: driveway there. But then everyone knows where you live too,
Speaker 1: because Babile exactly. Yeah, do you want to go see
Speaker 1: where man lives? Just check out the three World motorcycle
Speaker 1: in the driveway. Um. Yeah. It was so funny the
Speaker 1: way he presented it too. He like handed me this
Speaker 1: rolled up piece of paper and a really sweet note.
Speaker 1: On the last day of the tour, which we were
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn and he was like, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being out here, and he's just like the nicest guy.
Speaker 1: And he like had this rolled up piece of paper
Speaker 1: and it had like a ribbon around it, and I
Speaker 1: took the ribbon off and like unrolled it and it's
Speaker 1: a picture of this sling shot car thing. And I
Speaker 1: was really confused because I was like, oh, maybe he
Speaker 1: got me like a ride in this thing, Like I
Speaker 1: go to a yeah, take this sling shot tour around Nashville. Um.
Speaker 1: And he's like, have you ever been in a sling shot?
Speaker 1: I can't do an Australian accent, but I was like
Speaker 1: what He's like, have you ever ridden in one of
Speaker 1: these things? And I was like no, why how would I?
Speaker 1: Why would I? UM? And I was like, wait, you're
Speaker 1: giving this to me. He's like, yeah, I got you
Speaker 1: in brett One. And I was just in shock, like
Speaker 1: I've never gotten anything um that magnitude. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just insane and so generous. And we definitely had a
Speaker 1: ball with it or on Christmas Day with my family.
Speaker 1: Where is it now? It's in Texas so Y's room.
Speaker 1: It's like the dog, you gave it a field to
Speaker 1: run in right, Yeah, exactly, Ryan and I hauled it
Speaker 1: down to Texas for Christmas, and um my dad is
Speaker 1: basically helping store it, slash using it. Um yeah, he
Speaker 1: was freaking out that he gets to take care of
Speaker 1: that thing. Just a sidebar on Keith, like really and
Speaker 1: this is a show Bears town as much as Los
Speaker 1: Angeles is. I mean, it really is the show Bears town.
Speaker 1: But Keith is as nice and as genuine, even more
Speaker 1: so than he seems on TV or radio or anywhere else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is. And he's another one of those people that's
Speaker 1: like really jarring to meet in person because you know,
Speaker 1: I've been listening to Keith's records, you know, since you know,
Speaker 1: Golden Road, since before that album actually like Black Top Ends,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And so when he called me
Speaker 1: about the tour and then I met him to announce
Speaker 1: the tour with Brett, and yeah, it's just insane how
Speaker 1: authentic he is and that famous and then the weird famous,
Speaker 1: and then there's like that kind of famous where you
Speaker 1: are known by most of the world. We were in
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, I went to Australia and I was never
Speaker 1: going to tell the story. And then he kind of
Speaker 1: busted my balls for not telling it because I was given.
Speaker 1: I was kind of making fun of Sydney a bit.
Speaker 1: And we were in Sydney this last vacation and we
Speaker 1: went for Christmas and I've never been to Australia and
Speaker 1: so we go and he was in Sydney. He texted me, goes, hey,
Speaker 1: are you here? And I was like, yeah, saw you
Speaker 1: come over to the house. We having a Christmas party.
Speaker 1: And I want to go over to someone's house on Christmas.
Speaker 1: I'm just not someone who goes into people's space anyway.
Speaker 1: I like to stay out. I just don't like to
Speaker 1: impose more than anything. And I'm like, I really appreciate it,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. And I no, he's genuine because he's
Speaker 1: just a good dude. The next day texted me again,
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, you have to come over having Nicole
Speaker 1: and I having a Christmas party. Come over to the house.
Speaker 1: And so we're in Australia. Keith Urban has Lindsay and
Speaker 1: myself and we go over and there's a big his
Speaker 1: dinner and it's like Nicole's mom and his mom and family.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, we could have been a cousin
Speaker 1: or something. He just sit down with us and we
Speaker 1: just all talked for like an hour and it was
Speaker 1: just like the most And I'm not normal because I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of a peculiar guy. It was just like
Speaker 1: a real nice human thing that I don't think people
Speaker 1: I think rich, famous people are anymore and he is
Speaker 1: I think, um like being like a family man and
Speaker 1: just his connection with his fans, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I sort of saw behind the scenes, like the way
Speaker 1: he takes care of his crew and he like got
Speaker 1: his production manager, Baja is his nickname, and he's like
Speaker 1: seventy years old, and he's loud and hilarious and always
Speaker 1: took care of us. Keith got him like the segue
Speaker 1: five years ago, and he would always just like drive
Speaker 1: it around. And you see like what he does for
Speaker 1: his crew that have been with him and are loyal
Speaker 1: to him, and there's just like this unspoken bond between
Speaker 1: everybody and that respects him, and uh yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: like it sounds like he's the best boss to work
Speaker 1: for and it's because he he really cares about these people.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people I'd asked him, I said, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's the deal with country music in Australia. He goes,
Speaker 1: it's nowhere, it doesn't exist, So what do you mean?
Speaker 1: He goes, it's like jazz in America. You have to
Speaker 1: go to the AM dial and hopefully you find some
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, don want. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: how did you get played? He goes, I don't. It's
Speaker 1: just I'm cool in America to some people, so now
Speaker 1: I'm cool over here. But he was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't get played anywhere. He said it was exciting to
Speaker 1: him because him and Carrie saw on The Fighter had
Speaker 1: just started getting played on like Pop and a C stations.
Speaker 1: He was like, it's great, Mite, it's you know, and
Speaker 1: so it was cool that kind see him think something
Speaker 1: was cool again. Yeah, that's crazy things in your career
Speaker 1: like that tour for you though. With Keith though, you
Speaker 1: really didn't have anything out. He just heard some stuff, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Very early on he Um pulled the trigger and he
Speaker 1: I think his manager sent me or sent him a
Speaker 1: couple of my songs and they were they weren't even
Speaker 1: on iTunes yet. They were just like floating around and
Speaker 1: Keith heard my church and eighties and I think it's
Speaker 1: probably the EP and he called his manager and he's like,
Speaker 1: can we get this girl for the tour? And and
Speaker 1: he was like who wrote these songs and the like
Speaker 1: she did, and so he was like, Okay, yeah, we
Speaker 1: need to get this this girl out here. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that phone call was crazy because I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just like, you know, put us a single out
Speaker 1: and you know, hope hopefully it goes up the chart.
Speaker 1: And then to have that insurance of being on a
Speaker 1: tour later in the year, um, it just it made
Speaker 1: everything's fall into place so well and so much easier.
Speaker 1: And I feel like he just really he saw something
Speaker 1: in me so early on before everyone jumped in. And
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, that's a gigantic risk to
Speaker 1: bring out a brand new artist who's never toured before. Um,
Speaker 1: what a tour for your first tour to I know,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. I feel kind of spoiled. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're just going right up here to Keith urban Um.
Speaker 1: But I learned so much, just like I had twenty
Speaker 1: five minutes to really make an impact on his crowd.
Speaker 1: And I feel like from the first show to the
Speaker 1: sixtie show, because it was a long tour, I got
Speaker 1: so much more comfortable on stage. I have more fun
Speaker 1: now on stage, and he kind of set the parameters
Speaker 1: for me to achieve that, and I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just have so much more of a blast on
Speaker 1: stage now because I'm not afraid of it and I
Speaker 1: can walk out in front of twenty people and not.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still nervous, but I'm not as nervous.
Speaker 1: So it feels like the last six months, you know,
Speaker 1: you're out and you're on TV and you're doing interviews.
Speaker 1: So that's the part that we've known of you is
Speaker 1: the last six months to year. But I don't have
Speaker 1: any idea how you grew up, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like you're five, six years old, what's what's the house like? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, my parents were like working middle class. They
Speaker 1: own a small hair salon in Arlenton, Texas. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: my mom still stands behind the chair and cuts hair.
Speaker 1: Is she extra cool now like to her clients everyone? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be okay. Um yeah, I
Speaker 1: think like they sort of caught a second wind in life.
Speaker 1: It was like they've supported me for so long and
Speaker 1: then all this stuff to be happening now. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they just couldn't be prouder. And they were
Speaker 1: at the c m a S and they're going to
Speaker 1: come to the Grammys. They're just freaking out about everything,
Speaker 1: as parents do. And but yeah, they still work and
Speaker 1: they come out to everything that they can, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just grew up in a home whereas like my
Speaker 1: parents weren't they didn't. My mom liked to sing karaoke.
Speaker 1: She would like win karaoke contests at bars. Do you
Speaker 1: think that when your mom would win karaoke contests? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was cool. I kind of do now.
Speaker 1: At the time, I was like, mom, come on, don't sing.
Speaker 1: She would sing like four non blonde. Yes, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a big one. She loved Dixie Chicks and Wagon,
Speaker 1: which like a mom singing that. It's just yeah, but
Speaker 1: she loves it. And I think, like I would watch
Speaker 1: her and I'd be like, Okay, if if you are
Speaker 1: having this much fun, what am I missing out on?
Speaker 1: And um, I think I was like eight or nine
Speaker 1: and I like I started to sing too, and um
Speaker 1: my dad bought me a I been as acoustic guitar
Speaker 1: are when I was twelve, And I think that's just
Speaker 1: like where it all really cultivated. It was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I I've always loved to write in school, I was
Speaker 1: terrible at math and science and that I was always
Speaker 1: really good at English and history and creative writing, and
Speaker 1: so I think it just naturally was like, oh, I'll
Speaker 1: just put these lyrics to this, like two chords, I know,
Speaker 1: and then it was a song and not a good one,
Speaker 1: but it was like a start. So um But my
Speaker 1: parents never had like a second guess about um me
Speaker 1: doing this. It wasn't like, well, Okay, this is like
Speaker 1: a cute hobby for now, we'll just take you to
Speaker 1: these operyes and talent shows. But then eventually like you're
Speaker 1: gonna able to call it right like they never said that.
Speaker 1: They were always just like on board from the get go,
Speaker 1: which is you know, I think what kept me going.
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Speaker 1: so we're back here, and I guess we're talking about
Speaker 1: your parents and that they give you a guitar. Do
Speaker 1: you take lessons? Do you buy a chord cheat from Walmart, Like,
Speaker 1: what's what's the man More school of learning music? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my dad bought me like a chord book where you
Speaker 1: could like look at the pictures and I would. I
Speaker 1: took a couple of lessons, but I just, um was
Speaker 1: super lazy. I didn't like I didn't like anyone teaching
Speaker 1: me how to play guitar. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: a feel thing. So of course I can't read music
Speaker 1: because I didn't stick with the lessons, But I get
Speaker 1: by enough on guitar to like to write songs. But
Speaker 1: I'm in no way John Osborn so. But by the way,
Speaker 1: it is such a good guitar player. Yeah he is.
Speaker 1: And people don't know that yet. Um that that aren't inside,
Speaker 1: but he's the best. Yeah he is. There's an eight
Speaker 1: minute solo at the end of their first single that
Speaker 1: it ended up, you know, not being on the radio
Speaker 1: for eight minutes. He plays an eight minute guitar solo
Speaker 1: on the end of what is it? What's the first song? Um,
Speaker 1: it wasn't rung, No it was. It was their second song,
Speaker 1: Rome with the first number one longer, Stay a little longer.
Speaker 1: It was eight minutes older. Oh yeah, yeah, stay a
Speaker 1: little longer and him and it's so good too. And
Speaker 1: I've been you know, I have just have a few
Speaker 1: personal friends and him and Lucy Silver's are like dear
Speaker 1: friends of mine. Lucy's just the She's I think my
Speaker 1: only close friend I haven't had in here yet because
Speaker 1: of my close friends. And I was like, let's just
Speaker 1: let's just hold off a bit. But it's such a
Speaker 1: talented and nice so I can't wait from that inner
Speaker 1: group of folks. Yeah, like John and Lucy Lucy. I
Speaker 1: went and the other night I said, hey, and for
Speaker 1: those who don't Lucy she um, she's New Zealand slash
Speaker 1: British slash American. Just been awesome all the way off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, Lucy, how big were you in
Speaker 1: the UK? And she goes, well, I sold a million
Speaker 1: records And I was like really, she was, yeah, I
Speaker 1: sold a million records, and you know, I didn't walk
Speaker 1: out And I said what was the big song and
Speaker 1: she said, well, I did Metallica. Um it was a
Speaker 1: huge cover of a Metallica song with a full orchestra.
Speaker 1: And I came back and I googled it and I
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, it was like nothing else matters.
Speaker 1: This full orchestral Metallica song. I couldn't believe it. It
Speaker 1: is sort of a double life that she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I yeah, I please talk to her. I feel like
Speaker 1: I know her story, but I think you will bring
Speaker 1: something out that I'll be like, holy f like that
Speaker 1: happened to Bobby, Bobby, why do you ask me this? Bobby?
Speaker 1: All the time she's sung with like Lionel Richie, like
Speaker 1: there's always like she's so humble it's annoying, but you
Speaker 1: it's not annoying. It's like she means it and she's
Speaker 1: so nice that you're like, Okay, you're not bragging or
Speaker 1: humble bragging because she was telling st but Elton John,
Speaker 1: she was like she was playing with Daniel Bettingfield. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know who Daniel betting I gotta
Speaker 1: get through this. I gotta make gotta make oh if
Speaker 1: you're not the one, yeah, that one she was like,
Speaker 1: I was she was playing keys with Daniel betting Field
Speaker 1: for Elton John And it was just like in passing
Speaker 1: conversation and I was like, John, I guess called you
Speaker 1: to So what was that what was that about? Um? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so this that happened a few months ago or several
Speaker 1: months ago, and I am was randomly like at home
Speaker 1: for a few day stretch in Nashville, and I was
Speaker 1: just doing my laundry one day at the house and
Speaker 1: Ryan I had no witnesses to this phone call because
Speaker 1: he was out on the front porch talking to someone
Speaker 1: on the phone. And so I'm just like in my
Speaker 1: house doing laundry and I had come back to my
Speaker 1: phone that was on silent, and I had two misscalls
Speaker 1: from like a South London number, because you know, on
Speaker 1: an iPhone, it tells you where it's from. And I
Speaker 1: was like, that's weird. I don't know anyone over there
Speaker 1: that would be calling me at this time of day.
Speaker 1: And my manager texted me like two seconds later, and
Speaker 1: I could not believe it. A shoes like Elton John
Speaker 1: is trying to reach you. Um, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I just missed two phone calls from
Speaker 1: Elton John. Like what do I do? Like do I
Speaker 1: call this number back? I'm just like I don't even
Speaker 1: know the protocol, Like what do you do? And she
Speaker 1: was like, hold on, let me get in touch with
Speaker 1: his publicist or something. Whatever happens, and um he called
Speaker 1: back and it was like an unknown number now and okay,
Speaker 1: gotcha is that what that means? Okay, well, I answered
Speaker 1: because I knew who it was, and um, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: is this Maren And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I don't know what Okay, yes it is, and uh
Speaker 1: He's like, oh cool, this is Elton, like no last
Speaker 1: name is Like you know, I'm calling and I was like, oh, hi, hello,
Speaker 1: how are you And he was like, oh, I'm good,
Speaker 1: just at the studio and I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to get in touch with you to say that
Speaker 1: I got your record. I have it on vinyl. We
Speaker 1: were listening to it at the studio the other night
Speaker 1: and I love your songs and yeah, and so I
Speaker 1: feel like, okay, I'm living out some sort of fever
Speaker 1: dream or something. I'm sick. I think I've it happened.
Speaker 1: I lost my mind. Yeah, like on Mescalin full fledged
Speaker 1: in the desert and yeah, but it sunk in and
Speaker 1: I was like I was trying to find a response
Speaker 1: and I was just like, wow, thank you, that's so cool. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm obviously a huge fan. It's like, okay, why don't
Speaker 1: I even go through the semantics of, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to be cool. It's like, uh, you're Elton John, so um,
Speaker 1: that's a huge honor. And it was so random too,
Speaker 1: because I had just been listening to his music like
Speaker 1: a few days prior, just randomly in my iPhone. To
Speaker 1: have him call me a couple of days later. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this guy is across the world and
Speaker 1: he's in pop music and he's a legend. How what
Speaker 1: I wish I had asked him was like how did
Speaker 1: you find my music? And I'll never know? And so
Speaker 1: I meet him again or something or meet him, but
Speaker 1: I I don't know how he found my album, but
Speaker 1: he had it on vinyl, so there had to have
Speaker 1: been like some sort of like exchange or like someone
Speaker 1: gave it to him. I don't know. But you in
Speaker 1: the Call of Dulton John and who ends it? And
Speaker 1: do you? Is there a point where like I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk too long because I Dulton thinks I'm
Speaker 1: just a loser. I won't hang up right, yeah, or
Speaker 1: I just didn't want it to ever be awkward. I
Speaker 1: was like, this can be the shortest phone call. That's fine, Um,
Speaker 1: But I was trying to like get outside so I
Speaker 1: could put it on speaker so Ryan could hear it,
Speaker 1: and of course, like Elton's like, oh cool, well, cheers love.
Speaker 1: It was so good to talk to you. Hopefully I'll
Speaker 1: see you in the future by and then like I
Speaker 1: opened the door and Ryan's like everything okay, And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, no one heard this, no one witnessed it. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Elton Jon called me that was pretty freaking crazy.
Speaker 1: When you make a record like Hero which now as
Speaker 1: you look back at it in all its pieces, and
Speaker 1: I enjoy record, I enjoy an album. And when I
Speaker 1: heard it at first, it came to me as, wow,
Speaker 1: this is a bold record now because it's so big,
Speaker 1: and you know how it is bold things become a
Speaker 1: norm once they become huge and popularity. Did you feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm taking such an artistic leap with this that it's
Speaker 1: either going to just thrive or the world's not ready
Speaker 1: for me right now? Because he wrote was a bold
Speaker 1: record that from the songs, the sound, the textures all
Speaker 1: for country radio. I you know, I sort of look
Speaker 1: at the artists that have I don't know, just just
Speaker 1: slowly chiseled away at a path where I could come
Speaker 1: in and do something all of my own, and so
Speaker 1: I felt like there were elements of this record that
Speaker 1: we're reaching like Okay, this is I. I was pretty strategic,
Speaker 1: but still like emotional in the way that I structured
Speaker 1: the album and which songs I picked, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's like there is a part of your brain that's like, okay,
Speaker 1: the set list, like the track listing, how is this
Speaker 1: going to work? And the songs that are maybe less country,
Speaker 1: like I have to balance it with something that is
Speaker 1: going to be palatable. And it's it's like your first
Speaker 1: album is it's so important because it really is the
Speaker 1: first impression. And I just felt like, yeah, this this
Speaker 1: album is definitely a very edgy and has you know,
Speaker 1: the words ship all over it. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I can cuss on this podcast, Um yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's like cursing, and there's there's you know, talk of
Speaker 1: like sex and there. I don't know, it's just like
Speaker 1: so many elements that I you know, I sort of
Speaker 1: laid awake at night and I was like, maybe this
Speaker 1: is not ready, like people aren't ready for this. But
Speaker 1: then I realized I was like I can't think that
Speaker 1: way because I think about like Miranda and I think
Speaker 1: about Sam and you know, Sam Hunt has had some
Speaker 1: major freaking radio success and he's gotten like knocked against
Speaker 1: by people who are like leading the charge for the
Speaker 1: whole like traditional country sound. But he proved them all
Speaker 1: wrong because that record was massively successful and it was him,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's it's so weird that people I
Speaker 1: hate to like branch off for a second, but it's
Speaker 1: it's strange that people are constantly comparing new albums to
Speaker 1: the past because I don't know, I just I never
Speaker 1: listened to music that way, where I listened to like
Speaker 1: a pop song and I'm like, well, this is not
Speaker 1: like Mambo number five. You know, back in our day,
Speaker 1: chamba wamba sounded much better than you know, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god, yeah exactly. It's really annoying. And I constantly
Speaker 1: fight with people to go, well, that's not country because
Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough to be able to talk to
Speaker 1: every one from Merle Haggard to Garth Brooks to the
Speaker 1: guys to today, and you know what they all say.
Speaker 1: They were all told what they did did not fit
Speaker 1: right then, every freaking one of them, every one of them,
Speaker 1: was told what all these dicks on all these blogs
Speaker 1: say constantly, Oh that's not country. No one has the
Speaker 1: authority to tell someone what something creative is. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's historical significance in the roots of country music,
Speaker 1: but I think the roots of it have always been
Speaker 1: the same and continue to be the same. There rooted
Speaker 1: in honesty and truth and saying it like it is
Speaker 1: and real life situations and heart and lyrical value. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, that's in a lot of genres,
Speaker 1: but I feel like country music is known for that
Speaker 1: and really created that that realm. And so whether you
Speaker 1: put a synthesizer on a song or a beat or whatever,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well, Sam hunt is you could compare
Speaker 1: him to like Conway Twitty and even the Johnny Cash
Speaker 1: who would talk and play quote devil rock and roll.
Speaker 1: My grandma Arkansas grand wants people would protest him because
Speaker 1: of the Devil's rock and roll that he would play.
Speaker 1: Patsy Klein considered Walking after Midnight a little old pop song,
Speaker 1: that's what she called it. She thought that was pop
Speaker 1: back then. So you think about today and it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: there's always going to be you know, the nights of
Speaker 1: traditional country music values. But I think at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's like people want to People respond
Speaker 1: to music that's good and that moves them. So that's
Speaker 1: what kept me, uh confident and Hero coming out. So
Speaker 1: if Hero would have failed, you would have black m hm.
Speaker 1: I would have kept writing. Yeah, I don't think anything
Speaker 1: would have changed. Honestly, I think it would have. I
Speaker 1: would have been discouraged, but I think I would have
Speaker 1: kept writing. I would have kept going because I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I loved this record and I'm proud of it no
Speaker 1: matter what, um, whether it wins an award or someone
Speaker 1: says it's a disgrace to country music. Um, I loved it.
Speaker 1: And I have seen so much more of the world now,
Speaker 1: um since putting the album out, and I feel like
Speaker 1: people are I don't know, they're they're more vocal about
Speaker 1: their love of country or maybe if they weren't a
Speaker 1: country fan, Hero turned them onto country. And that's like
Speaker 1: a huge honor because ah, it is a cool sort
Speaker 1: of like gateway drug in a way. It's like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: there are so many elements of country on my album,
Speaker 1: but you can also find R and B and classics,
Speaker 1: sole and rock and pop, so many elements but it's
Speaker 1: all rooted in the same thing. It's rooted in honesty
Speaker 1: and that like country lyrics structure where everything is like
Speaker 1: air tight and the rhymes are on top of each other.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's it's been cool to see uh,
Speaker 1: different age generations connect to that album because it really
Speaker 1: is um an album for everyone. There's there's no song alike,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I'm really proud of it, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad that people are are liking it. To you,
Speaker 1: this is my jam right here, but i'd be rich.
Speaker 1: So this is rich? That's how And have you talked
Speaker 1: about it? I actually the personal story. So I I
Speaker 1: I'm on the road basically every weekend, and so um
Speaker 1: I was by the way, I'm glad you got here
Speaker 1: when you did. I was packing. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're an about packing like me, Like I have to
Speaker 1: go through and make sure I have every piece of
Speaker 1: clothing for every available Like Okay, daytime, I'm wearing this.
Speaker 1: In the evening, i'll wear this, then I'll change into this,
Speaker 1: and I have to go through all of these little
Speaker 1: clothing changes in my head. Do you do that every week? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: I'm a terrible packer. Oh, I have a peg, and
Speaker 1: then I have to get Then I go to pill
Speaker 1: everything back out and count it all back in. I'm
Speaker 1: so o c D about everything. Yeah, but at least
Speaker 1: you don't have to stress out about it once and
Speaker 1: then I get I forget some a sock or something.
Speaker 1: But I play this, And the reason I bring it
Speaker 1: up is so I have to stand up comedy shows
Speaker 1: this weekend, and this is a song that I played
Speaker 1: before I go out on stage. You do, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I play rich, So tell me about the song. Where
Speaker 1: were you who? Concept like, give me the whole deal here. Um,
Speaker 1: I was here in Nashville. I was at my publisher,
Speaker 1: Big Yellow Dog, and with Jesse Joe Dillen, Laura Belts.
Speaker 1: Jesse Joe had told me this title like a week prior.
Speaker 1: We were at winners Um in Midtown and she was
Speaker 1: she's such an amazing writer, but she brought that title
Speaker 1: as a sad song. She was like, God, if I
Speaker 1: just want to write it, you know there and like,
Speaker 1: if if I had a dollar for every time you
Speaker 1: screwed me over or broke my heart, I'd be rich.
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, Like that's really good. But
Speaker 1: then We got into the room that day with Laura
Speaker 1: and it was like, I don't think this is a
Speaker 1: sad song. I think it's like a fu song. And
Speaker 1: so we just started with this guitar riff and Laura
Speaker 1: was playing and um, I was trying to play, and
Speaker 1: we just started, like I guess, adding all these crazy examples,
Speaker 1: and then we got to the second verse and I
Speaker 1: was just threw out jokingly. I was like, if I
Speaker 1: had a dime every time you crossed my mind, I'd
Speaker 1: probably be sitting on a big as pile of dimes.
Speaker 1: And I was kidding. But then they were like, I
Speaker 1: think we should keep that because that's just funny, and um,
Speaker 1: so we did. It's like, whatever line, whether it's stupid
Speaker 1: or not, if you throw it out like nothing stupid,
Speaker 1: that's what I've sort of and except what I just
Speaker 1: did drop the mic. Um. Yeah, I feel like you
Speaker 1: just have to like put it out there and then
Speaker 1: you can decide if it's not going to work or not.
Speaker 1: But I like to dare to be stupid in the
Speaker 1: writing room. But yeah, we kept that line in and
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's one of my favorites on the
Speaker 1: album too, and favorites live because it's just the crossing
Speaker 1: a Yeah. But girls, I feel like young girls, really
Speaker 1: really you, and you have a song that's just come
Speaker 1: out of you, like like some artists will come in
Speaker 1: and go, hey, you know what the song is. It
Speaker 1: came fifteen minutes, like the song was there and I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. Do you have any of those? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could use a love song with sort of like that.
Speaker 1: UM in my church we wrote really quick too, but
Speaker 1: I could use a love song. Um. We wrote in
Speaker 1: the morning. It's a long story, but it was like
Speaker 1: after a couple of drinks, all yeah, we're all having
Speaker 1: like a really crap day, and Laura Belts had just
Speaker 1: gotten a ticket Jimmy Robbins. Something had happened, and then
Speaker 1: I had had a weird start to the morning. And
Speaker 1: we get there and we're all just like really dejected
Speaker 1: and like how how are we going to write a song?
Speaker 1: And Laura's like, do you want to walk to Losers?
Speaker 1: And so I was. It was eleven o'clock and I
Speaker 1: was like maybe, and we all were on board, and
Speaker 1: we went over and we had like one drink and
Speaker 1: walked back and I had most of hero already done
Speaker 1: and then Jimmy was like, do you have any like
Speaker 1: what are you missing off the album, which is like
Speaker 1: the weirdest question to get from people. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Um, I'll know it when I hear it,
Speaker 1: I guess. And I was like, it's weird. This whole
Speaker 1: song like doesn't have any love songs on it. It's
Speaker 1: like the first record I've heard in a while it doesn't.
Speaker 1: And Jimmy's like, oh, but you could you could use
Speaker 1: a love song though, right, and uh, Laura like jotted
Speaker 1: down that as a title, but it was just in
Speaker 1: conversation like, oh, but you could use a love song
Speaker 1: on the on the album and uh so yeah. We
Speaker 1: went back and she was like, I think we should
Speaker 1: just write a song called I could use a love song?
Speaker 1: And we I don't know, like the sky opened up
Speaker 1: that day and maybe it was because our filters had
Speaker 1: been drunk away, but we just like poured through that
Speaker 1: song and had the demo done within like an hour
Speaker 1: and a half. And play this for you. Tell me
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this song right here day man. It's
Speaker 1: hunched over in her chair right now. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: your silver bullet for the interview. I don't have bullets.
Speaker 1: Oh my good, run day. Where did you find that?
Speaker 1: What about where I had? I was, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's this. No, Oh I can hear that thirteen year
Speaker 1: old paying kid about did you write better Days? I
Speaker 1: wrote it with my mom? Actually really yeah, I used
Speaker 1: to right back then. Uh oh my god, I feel
Speaker 1: like my face so hot right now. Um, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember back that far. I mean that was like
Speaker 1: so long ago. I'm turning. Where were you playing that
Speaker 1: at bars? Yeah? And how are you getting into bars?
Speaker 1: Because your mom was like, hey, she's cool, she's me,
Speaker 1: She's cool. I'm the karaoke champions. Um. No, I mean
Speaker 1: in Texas it's weird. I mean you might know this.
Speaker 1: Like if you are a kid and you have your
Speaker 1: parents with you, Yeah, you can drink and you can
Speaker 1: be in the bar. I mean I wouldn't drink, but
Speaker 1: I would definitely. I was able to play these shows
Speaker 1: in these you know, gritty honky tonks because my parents
Speaker 1: were there, um and they were my managers, so they were,
Speaker 1: um driving me to and fro from all these gigs.
Speaker 1: But yeah, thirteen, when that gem of a song was written,
Speaker 1: I was playing in like the White Elephant Saloon and
Speaker 1: like the crap stage outside of Billy Bob's. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've I've been doing this so long. I make my
Speaker 1: sound myself sounds so old, but I really have been
Speaker 1: hustling in bars and honky tonks since I was twelve.
Speaker 1: Here's a song called walk On Okay, can we just
Speaker 1: play all my demos instead? How old are you with
Speaker 1: this one? To go back? But there's something there, like
Speaker 1: you know it always I'm always like, oh, I'd like
Speaker 1: to hear stuff either from when I was seventeen on
Speaker 1: the radio. Yeah, but do you hear it? Like? Do
Speaker 1: you hear something there in that thirteen year old voice?
Speaker 1: I think I was a little more nasally with let's
Speaker 1: let's just like talent wise, like something there, something there
Speaker 1: that's inherent. Do you hear something inherently in that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I've always I've always loved music, and I've
Speaker 1: loved performing and writing songs. So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I try to think back to what my parents were
Speaker 1: thinking at the time, because they're obviously biased. It's like
Speaker 1: those parents that have talented kids quote unquote, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you are their parents, so how do you really know
Speaker 1: but then I'm trying to like look back at my
Speaker 1: parents and for them to put aside that parental love
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, can she actually do this? Is
Speaker 1: she even like emotionally emotionally capable to play these bars
Speaker 1: and ship like I I think do Like, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: gonna play these bars and they're gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of rally drunk people or is it like man, just
Speaker 1: go and we'll watch. Yeah, I mean they they I
Speaker 1: never played anywhere to c D where it was like
Speaker 1: dangerous to be in there. They certainly would not have
Speaker 1: um taken me to a bar like that. But I
Speaker 1: grew up around adults and like people drinking and smoking
Speaker 1: inside and you can still do that in Texas, and
Speaker 1: like I grew up in that environment, so by the
Speaker 1: time I turned twenty one, it was like not cool
Speaker 1: that you could drink um. Yeah. But yeah, they definitely
Speaker 1: the whole time saw something in me. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're talking about like the thirteen year
Speaker 1: old self to your friends, because you could you were
Speaker 1: singing and playing and regardless of where you were singing
Speaker 1: and you were still singing and playing. Yeah. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were all so excited they come to my shows, which
Speaker 1: the ones they could get into. Um, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was weird. I went to like a public high school
Speaker 1: and on the weekends I would go do these shows
Speaker 1: around Texas to talent shows. Sup. At school, I never
Speaker 1: did a talent show. I was in musical theater, so
Speaker 1: I did all the musicals and like which ones? Because
Speaker 1: I'm a little theater you are, Yeah, I agree. So
Speaker 1: Danny Zooko in Greece. Wow, that's a big one. It
Speaker 1: was awesome. I don't like to dance, so we need
Speaker 1: to find that footage, and it exists. I would like
Speaker 1: that it all back. Well from your key screen is
Speaker 1: your silver bullet. So what did you do so theater wise?
Speaker 1: What was your favorite? I did? Um, My first one
Speaker 1: was when I was a freshman, and it was It's
Speaker 1: Susical the musical okay Dr SEUs, Yes, and I played
Speaker 1: a little boy. So that was my first one. And
Speaker 1: then um, I did Little Shop of Horror. I did
Speaker 1: a Little Shop of Horse. Who are you in it?
Speaker 1: I was Seymour, I was Audrey. That's so funny. Weird.
Speaker 1: Mercy said, that's so funny. Oh my god, that's I did. Agree.
Speaker 1: I did a Little Shop Worth Love and my junior
Speaker 1: year and Greece my senior year. I did Little Shot
Speaker 1: my junior year, and that was like like that. It
Speaker 1: was so dark for high school. I'm actually really surprised
Speaker 1: my high school allowed they got it, though I don't.
Speaker 1: I think the movie was out and we were The
Speaker 1: movie was before me too, like Rick Maranis and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I think it made it so safe because he
Speaker 1: was so safe that everyone was kind of lost it.
Speaker 1: I look back on it now, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like in the movie and the play, like I have
Speaker 1: to be hit, not like for real, but like she's
Speaker 1: in an abusive relationship and there's like all these like
Speaker 1: dark sex jokes, and I was like, if I was
Speaker 1: a parent in the crowd, I'd be like, who okay,
Speaker 1: this this is like way too advanced for high school kids.
Speaker 1: But we didn't. You're right, we didn't get it. We
Speaker 1: didn't get it at all. It was almost it was
Speaker 1: the SpongeBob effective plays, like the kids don't get the
Speaker 1: adult jokes and SpongeBob. I just thought I was freaking
Speaker 1: talking to a plant and you know, but that that's
Speaker 1: so Yeah. It was just I was magical little that's funny.
Speaker 1: Tell me about this all that it takes. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I was actually oh yeah, I was seventeen. This was
Speaker 1: my um number one in Texas. When you get a
Speaker 1: number one in Texas, do you think, okay, well, all right, Texas,
Speaker 1: thank you. Now it's time to go and bust out nationally,
Speaker 1: Like did you think it was just gonna be like
Speaker 1: pop up up um? I think okay. So I was seventeen,
Speaker 1: and I I think at the time, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: now I'm going to be in the big leagues of Texas.
Speaker 1: And I didn't have any sights to go to Nashville
Speaker 1: until I was, like, you know, in my early twenties,
Speaker 1: but I, yeah, I wanted to like tour around Texas
Speaker 1: and basically head line and you know, like all the
Speaker 1: greats down there to me, like you know, I loved
Speaker 1: Wade Bowen and Stoney LaRue and Randy Rogers and uh
Speaker 1: Rodney Foster and all those guys. It was like green
Speaker 1: Hall of cool places you to play. Yeah, I've played
Speaker 1: there once and I actually requested on my headline tour
Speaker 1: that we hit green Hall. So I'm going to do
Speaker 1: a Green Hall show, which I'm so excited about. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the coolest venue. I feel like in Texas. It's
Speaker 1: the oldest dance hall and it's like George Straits. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's the George Straight I'm here. So you were
Speaker 1: in Austin, So do you remember? Um, he's still around
Speaker 1: and I love him. But Bob Schneider, Oh yeah, Bob
Speaker 1: played my show many times. Yeah, so I Um, I
Speaker 1: saw him at Green That was like the last show
Speaker 1: I saw there. But I love him. Um, but I'm excited.
Speaker 1: It's sort of full circle to get to play there
Speaker 1: on my own tour. I mean I run Bob when
Speaker 1: I was in Austin with dating Sandra Bullock. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: she lived in Austin too, And yeah, Bobic can buy
Speaker 1: a Players show all the time. That's crazy, but it's
Speaker 1: not crazy because we're, you know, from basically the same place. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've been a fan of his for over a decade now,
Speaker 1: so I think he was a little before his time frankly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's one of those where it's like he can
Speaker 1: do anything. He can do any genre. So I think
Speaker 1: it's sort of hard to to find a spot because
Speaker 1: he is so good at so many Third album, Born Again,
Speaker 1: somewhere what this record. It's funny. It's like born again
Speaker 1: and now there's my church. Um I was nineteen. I
Speaker 1: think I sound a little more like myself. I feel
Speaker 1: like definitely more country. Really like that Texas country too.
Speaker 1: I think there's some Texas country and Hero though, like
Speaker 1: I hear it, I still hear all you do I do?
Speaker 1: I do? Ever said that to me? I I, you know,
Speaker 1: lived in Texas for a long time, and I do.
Speaker 1: I do hear a little bit of Texas country in Hero,
Speaker 1: but I hear a lot of things in Hero, which
Speaker 1: is what's cool about the record, because every song there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of similarity, but there's a lot that's
Speaker 1: not as you go from track to track, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense at all. Yeah. I have some other audio
Speaker 1: clips here and like autum no more like that, don't worry.
Speaker 1: I speaking of Lucy Silva's villain. Yes, familiar with the song?
Speaker 1: How so? I wrote it because you were the clumb
Speaker 1: down and I'll take the phone school if you if
Speaker 1: you look for She's so good? Yeah? Has she told
Speaker 1: me the story behind this music video? I've seen the
Speaker 1: video and the parts of it. What tell me, Well,
Speaker 1: we shot it at an actual prison, Umar Huntsville. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna call her? I? I just came to do
Speaker 1: like makeup touch ups. This is like a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago. But we shot it at a working
Speaker 1: prison and yeah, it was pretty crazy too, to be
Speaker 1: in a prison with real invite. Yeah, and like Lucy
Speaker 1: is so beautiful and like her walking past, and then
Speaker 1: I idiotically wore shorts that day and all the guys
Speaker 1: are like, whoa, oh god, this is so so crazy.
Speaker 1: Let's Eflucy answers. I think she's in town. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't qu're gonna hit it with her. Um, let's
Speaker 1: leave a message hide back to you. Oh no, the
Speaker 1: mailbox is full. Okay, she may call back. How about
Speaker 1: this song here Greener Pastures? Yes, well you know about
Speaker 1: this one. Ryan and I wrote this with John and
Speaker 1: t J. Ford The Bad Pastures Man had to go
Speaker 1: to that. You all four, you guys right there June,
Speaker 1: Ryan write that for those two, the four of us
Speaker 1: that just sitting around, you guys are just like, let's
Speaker 1: just rock something out. It was weird because like we've
Speaker 1: been friends with John and t J for years, we've
Speaker 1: never written together, and they've never been homes honestly, so
Speaker 1: we had it on the books to write. It was
Speaker 1: like a for real co write, and um, I was
Speaker 1: nervous because like to write with friends is it can
Speaker 1: go either way. It can either be amazing, which luckily
Speaker 1: this one turned out to be, or it can be
Speaker 1: like kind of a downer and it's like everything's cool,
Speaker 1: but yeah, let's not do this again. But you know
Speaker 1: we I had that title for years in my phone
Speaker 1: and no one would write it with me. And Ryan
Speaker 1: will attest to this like I I threw that title
Speaker 1: at him and writes for like two years straight and
Speaker 1: no one ever bit at it. And then finally I
Speaker 1: threw it out the final time at this brother's Osborne
Speaker 1: co write, and yeah, I was like, I've had this
Speaker 1: title Greener Pastors in my phone forever. And I looked
Speaker 1: at Ryan and I was like, I feel like it
Speaker 1: could be a cool play on words about like breaking
Speaker 1: up with someone or them leaving you and then you
Speaker 1: just go smoke a joint or something like moving on
Speaker 1: to greener pastures. And John and t J laughed and
Speaker 1: like loved it, and then John started playing that like
Speaker 1: riff and yeah, it was like a pretty easy co write,
Speaker 1: which I'm astounded at because, um, with friends it can
Speaker 1: be weird. But we Yeah, we had the best time.
Speaker 1: And then when they played us the recording of it
Speaker 1: and J Joyce produced it, which I love. I loved
Speaker 1: J Joyce. Um, I'm a huge Patty Griffin fan, and
Speaker 1: he did her Flaming Red album which I love. But
Speaker 1: he produced that song for John and t J and
Speaker 1: I just like died listening to it. And it was
Speaker 1: cool to hear them do it at the rheman at
Speaker 1: their show. It was really cool, man so much so
Speaker 1: I'll ask you this. And when Ryan, by the way
Speaker 1: Ryan heard was then you mentioned a few times and
Speaker 1: I'll do the same thing with you that with Ryan,
Speaker 1: I didn't bring you up until later, but he just
Speaker 1: kept referencing unfl like, well, if I don't address what
Speaker 1: you're referencing, people aren't even going to know. So Ryan
Speaker 1: heard your boyfriend right now. Yeah, And so I'm a
Speaker 1: huge Ryan fan. Yeah, minus marine, I'm a huge Ryan fan.
Speaker 1: Like I I just I enjoy him. I enjoy his music.
Speaker 1: I love where he comes from. He just seems like
Speaker 1: a guy that is like it into a happy universe,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Like he just seems like a
Speaker 1: guy that wants peace in the universe, and he makes
Speaker 1: me want to have peace in the universe when like
Speaker 1: I'm around him. And so you guys write a lot together,
Speaker 1: do you guys talk about music a lot? I mean,
Speaker 1: is that really what the bond? Yeah? I mean that's
Speaker 1: how we met each other was in a co write
Speaker 1: and um, it was like three and a half almost
Speaker 1: four years ago, and we we've just been friends for
Speaker 1: years and we were both in other relationships and um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that was the first. Um bond
Speaker 1: was just hey, I love writing songs with you. And
Speaker 1: we got our first cut together with Tim McGraw and
Speaker 1: then yeah, we just asked our publishers to keep putting
Speaker 1: us on our books and yeah, I think, well it
Speaker 1: was funny Brothers Osborne. That was our second like actual
Speaker 1: cut together. But we've had a few placements and stuff
Speaker 1: on Nashville and whatnot. But at the crux of it,
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, yes, I love writing songs with you.
Speaker 1: But after, you know, we sort of started like falling
Speaker 1: for each other and not just like in a friendly way.
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't know, I used to to
Speaker 1: worry about oh, like I always want to be able
Speaker 1: to write songs with him, that's this relationship. But now
Speaker 1: it's like I don't really care. I mean, it's cool
Speaker 1: if we get a cool song, but it's cool to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship where that's not contingent on it anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like we've written plenty of great songs together and
Speaker 1: now it's just about our relationship and leaning on each
Speaker 1: other during the craziest time of our lives, like kick
Speaker 1: starting our artist careers. And yeah, um, he's he's just
Speaker 1: an in double person. Like I could probably talk about
Speaker 1: him for the rest of this podcast, but I won't.
Speaker 1: I'll um save you from that. Um. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: just he really does have a heart of gold, and
Speaker 1: you're right where he lives in this world where um,
Speaker 1: he's so thoughtful and he really he cares about the
Speaker 1: energy around him, and he cares about like if you're okay,
Speaker 1: and not like in a pressing way. He's just he's
Speaker 1: always aware of if people are feeling taking care of
Speaker 1: or not. And he's like that with really every facet
Speaker 1: of his career. Would sponsor Mike, We're good, alright, cool,
Speaker 1: So let's talk. Let's go to now we're just now.
Speaker 1: It's weird and in a great way. So I thought
Speaker 1: what you said at the c m AS is pretty
Speaker 1: remarkable and poignant and such a big stage and such
Speaker 1: small awesome words where you were like a year ago,
Speaker 1: watched this from across the street that I thought it
Speaker 1: was just like, I mean that as innated with me.
Speaker 1: I'm not even trying to be you, and that resonated
Speaker 1: with me. I wonder like, did you have that ready?
Speaker 1: Was that? Because I still remember you getting up and
Speaker 1: saying that and going, I mean that, that's the perfect
Speaker 1: thing to say right there, like everybody's inspired. I don't
Speaker 1: care what you're doing music, live, digging ditches, driving truck
Speaker 1: like you should. That's inspiring right there. So talking about
Speaker 1: that moment for a second, Well, when I got up there,
Speaker 1: and I've been thinking about that all night, like I
Speaker 1: didn't think I was going to be able to accept
Speaker 1: an award that night, but I was thinking just to myself,
Speaker 1: like in a personal way, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even think I was going to get
Speaker 1: an invitation to the c m AS this year, let
Speaker 1: alone be nominated, And yeah, I was just thinking like wow,
Speaker 1: I sat across the Street from Bridgetone a year ago
Speaker 1: um with friends and we got dressed up and went
Speaker 1: to the Palm Bar and just watched on TV and
Speaker 1: watched people like Chris Stapleton's life change with one performance,
Speaker 1: And yeah, that had been kind of rattling around my
Speaker 1: mind all day really, but when I got up there,
Speaker 1: I was so overcome with emotion and I like laugh
Speaker 1: and cry watching the footage back because I brought my
Speaker 1: purse up on stage with me, like my clutch. I
Speaker 1: should have just like left it, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: open it because I had a note card inside with people.
Speaker 1: Lucy's calling. Oh okay, hello, Lucy. Hey, I'm with Marin
Speaker 1: right now. And so you're you're on record, So don't
Speaker 1: say anything that you wouldn't want out there. Don't talk
Speaker 1: about me. Oh you're you're in a bad place. Listen,
Speaker 1: you're cutting out? Where are you? Okay, okay, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going I don't even know she? Can you hear me now?
Speaker 1: I can? Yeah, I can hear. That doesn't mean I
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, but I can hear you now perfectly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got you. We're talking about you, and so you
Speaker 1: don't know what we're talking about, so it's good that
Speaker 1: you're kind of hopping in. Oh, how would you describe
Speaker 1: Marin as a friend. We have so much history and
Speaker 1: so many stories that I have many ways, But the
Speaker 1: first thing that comes to my mind is that I
Speaker 1: don't know. She's so she's so sweet. She has like
Speaker 1: a little giggle that she giggles and things and it
Speaker 1: just makes her horrible. Um. But I don't know as
Speaker 1: a friend, supposed to just a person in general, I'd say, um,
Speaker 1: she's got a lot of empathy for the people around her. Um.
Speaker 1: I've always thought she's been there for some of the
Speaker 1: most important, probably the most important time in my life,
Speaker 1: which is that they got married as John's best man. Oh,
Speaker 1: she said she was John's best man. That I didn't
Speaker 1: know that, and she you know, I think he's just
Speaker 1: wanted these people that Um. Um. I just she's got
Speaker 1: a mystery around her. But as a friend, she's never
Speaker 1: she's she always feel like she's there for me. I
Speaker 1: can tell the things I don't and that you don't
Speaker 1: have that with everybody with friends, you're always some friends
Speaker 1: you have to think. I'm going to filter that out
Speaker 1: because I don't want to tell them that, but I
Speaker 1: don't feel like that was Marion, So it was all
Speaker 1: my deepest talker secrets. And now, Lucy, how am I
Speaker 1: is a friend? You're awful, know you. Well it's so
Speaker 1: far You've been great. You tell the truth, which I like, well,
Speaker 1: thank you. Hey, Well we I feel like, Lucy, we
Speaker 1: do these shows and you come up on every one
Speaker 1: of them one because I'm I'm just yes, it's like
Speaker 1: the fourth one that you've come up. So now we've
Speaker 1: got to make a point to get you, to get
Speaker 1: you up here. But yeah, I want to hear that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were you recording right now. I'm actually just doing
Speaker 1: vocals on a song that I wrote with Ryan Beaver,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, I love Ryan, best day listening
Speaker 1: to his voice, and I'm very excited to just go
Speaker 1: home and sit on my porch for the rest of
Speaker 1: the night and do nothing. I'm about to do that too. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you for calling me back, Lucy, talk to you soon. Bye.
Speaker 1: Lucy showed up at um Our show a couple of
Speaker 1: nights ago with Ted Danson and she was like, hey,
Speaker 1: because she writes with Ted's wife Mary, and so Ted
Speaker 1: dancing shows up and you know when you get to
Speaker 1: see cool people most of the time, it's just it's cool.
Speaker 1: But it was Ted dancing. I was like, that's freaking
Speaker 1: Ted dancing. It's like Cheers, It's like Becker And so
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I get a picture. I was
Speaker 1: like sure, And then I got out on stage, like
Speaker 1: everybody look as Tad dancing. He was nice, oh, super
Speaker 1: nice and really good looking. Yeah, he's one of the
Speaker 1: most really mind And I hated to catch you off there.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put Lucy keep ringing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you have your you have your your clutch with you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I just you know, you don't really have
Speaker 1: time to think or do much except walk forward. And
Speaker 1: so I brought my clutch and Jennifer Garner's trying to
Speaker 1: help me open it for like what seemed like an eternity,
Speaker 1: and um, I just had a note card inside and
Speaker 1: all it said was like the names of people like
Speaker 1: my manager and obviously like my mom and dad, and
Speaker 1: these are the only people I got to um. But
Speaker 1: I was just yeah, I had just come off this
Speaker 1: like high from performing and that was such a gigantic performance,
Speaker 1: just so much energy on stage and so much music,
Speaker 1: and I was just firing on all cylinders. And then
Speaker 1: I got off stage with all this adrenaline and they
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, we need to see you really quick
Speaker 1: because they're about to do best New Artists. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just catching my breath. And then they
Speaker 1: called my name and was it weird to hear you name? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was. I felt like I was in the twilight
Speaker 1: zone for a second, because you have those dreams kind
Speaker 1: of since you were a kid. And then I heard
Speaker 1: her say it and yeah, I mean you see it
Speaker 1: in my face, just the utter shock, and um. I
Speaker 1: got my clutch and hugged Ryan, hugged Stapleton, and walked
Speaker 1: up there, luckily without tripping, and I just couldn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was almost going to be one of those cries
Speaker 1: that you can't get words out, and I was dancing
Speaker 1: on that line, but I was just overcome with emotion
Speaker 1: and my parents being in the audience too, and I
Speaker 1: bought them seats, but they were like further back, and
Speaker 1: I just I knew. I was like trying to find
Speaker 1: them in the crowd. I couldn't. But um, and then
Speaker 1: you see the the time thing tacking down. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you have four seconds left to say thank you to
Speaker 1: all these people that got you there, And um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't fit everyone in, but I feel like I
Speaker 1: got the really important people. And um, that was Ryan's
Speaker 1: birthday that night, so it was just like a double celebration.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't have prepared that I was in
Speaker 1: a bar a year prior. But I was thinking about
Speaker 1: that all night that I was sitting in. Now that
Speaker 1: gave me chills because it wasn't just about you or
Speaker 1: the industry or that moment. It was about what everyone
Speaker 1: watching could look at and go. You know, every long
Speaker 1: journey does start with a step, and here's that journey,
Speaker 1: and here's a step, and now are you freaking are
Speaker 1: and what can happen in a year? I wonder as
Speaker 1: your parents are sitting in the crowd, and they've allowed
Speaker 1: and encouraged you, like and it's hard when you love
Speaker 1: someone a lot for that love to grow. But has
Speaker 1: the love grown as you've araciated more what they did
Speaker 1: for you when you were younger? Oh yeah, absolutely. It's
Speaker 1: sort of that mentality when you uh you live with
Speaker 1: your parents and you're so ready to move out and
Speaker 1: like go be an adult and then you're like a
Speaker 1: few years into paying all your own bills and you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: they really took care of me. And then I'm sure
Speaker 1: it changes even more when you get married and have
Speaker 1: kids and you're like, oh my god, my parents were
Speaker 1: right and the same thing happened, you know, because I
Speaker 1: was sort of a child performer. And now I'm you know,
Speaker 1: going on twenty seven soon, and I think about my
Speaker 1: parents and the sacrifices they've made because we didn't come
Speaker 1: from money by any means, Like my mom grew up poor. Um,
Speaker 1: just like very humble beginnings. I never had any sort
Speaker 1: of hand out and neither did they. And they would still,
Speaker 1: you know, pay the band when the owner of the
Speaker 1: crappy club would stiff us our money, they would pay
Speaker 1: out of their own pocket. That was not deep And um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think about everything that they sacrificed their time, and
Speaker 1: yes they had fun doing it too, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like they they really did
Speaker 1: give up everything so on a whim, just a girl,
Speaker 1: an eleven year old, twelve year old that like to sing,
Speaker 1: could do it in front of a few people, and
Speaker 1: it's just snowballed. So yeah, I definitely think about that
Speaker 1: now and have so much better appreciation for what my
Speaker 1: parents did for me and UM. And it's not even
Speaker 1: about money, it's not about anything. It's just about giving
Speaker 1: your kid the tools to think something of themselves. And
Speaker 1: I'm very passionate about like fine arts education because I
Speaker 1: didn't go to like a cool or like nice school.
Speaker 1: I went to public school was kind of ghetto, and
Speaker 1: you know, it just it didn't have a fine arts
Speaker 1: program that was anything really like I did theater and
Speaker 1: choir and stuff, but there was just no funding to
Speaker 1: do anything. But I was so lucky at home to
Speaker 1: have parents that believed in my love for music and
Speaker 1: UM gave me that platform to be able to do it.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of kids like they want
Speaker 1: to go to school to escape home because maybe at
Speaker 1: home no one does believe in them, or it's put
Speaker 1: on the other kid, or there's just no one home.
Speaker 1: And I think about, you know, when you go to school,
Speaker 1: like the people there that are supposed to be like
Speaker 1: enriching you creatively, Uh, it just gets less and less,
Speaker 1: I feel every year. So I was really lucky in
Speaker 1: those formidable ages to have parents that really gave a
Speaker 1: shit about me. Um, so, yeah, I'm I'm excited. My
Speaker 1: mom is going to be my date to the Grammys
Speaker 1: and uh, we've been going back and forth about what
Speaker 1: we're wearing ing and um yeah, I mean she's earned
Speaker 1: that spot just as much as I. The emotion coming
Speaker 1: from her voice when you talk about them really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stay cool. I've cried enough at the
Speaker 1: c m As, so trying to keep it together now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm excited for them to come out to that,
Speaker 1: because they came out to the c m As, but
Speaker 1: this time it's like my mom and dad and sister Carson,
Speaker 1: my younger sister. She's never gotten to come to an
Speaker 1: award show, so it's like their first time at that
Speaker 1: and it's freaking Grammys. So and yet for four Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I texted Kelsey Um the morning the
Speaker 1: announcement came out about the nominations, and it was so early,
Speaker 1: and I think I may have been like the first
Speaker 1: person to tell her. I don't know, I might be
Speaker 1: taking that credit, but I texted her the second I
Speaker 1: found out that we were both up for Best New Artists,
Speaker 1: and I was like, we're going to Hollywood and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I was just like astounded that I got
Speaker 1: nominated in that category. But also it's so cool to
Speaker 1: like have this full circle moment with artists like Keith
Speaker 1: where you took me out on tour and now we're
Speaker 1: both up for Best Album and to be in these
Speaker 1: categories with like Thomas Rhett and I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: like it's so cool to see these like buddies of mine. Um,
Speaker 1: like we all are coming up together, and especially artists
Speaker 1: like Kelsey. It's like we are in this class of
Speaker 1: new artists and it's cool to have these winds and
Speaker 1: whoever wins that night, um honestly, like it sounds cliche,
Speaker 1: but I do think just being nominated, I mean, think
Speaker 1: about the thousands of write in forms um entries that
Speaker 1: were given to these awards shows and the Grammys, and
Speaker 1: you think about they narrowed it down to five and
Speaker 1: that's like a huge win in itself. I voted last night.
Speaker 1: I had a mailed that guy. Yeah, did you have
Speaker 1: to overnight it? Yeah? Yeah, it was like I cut
Speaker 1: it really close, um, because I've I've been gone like
Speaker 1: for the last few weeks. Um, so yeah, I voted
Speaker 1: the day before yesterday I'll keep all the country stuff
Speaker 1: out of it. But I voted for Adele on about
Speaker 1: every single pop he did. Yeah, I think Hello should
Speaker 1: have won just about every yeah, major song or pop category. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that was like the biggest song of last
Speaker 1: year for sure. I mean they just engulfed all of
Speaker 1: all time and space, Yeah, YouTube, radio, every mean it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a showdown. I think I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be. I mean the thing about Beyonce's though hers
Speaker 1: didn't crossover as much into just the regular mainstream. Will
Speaker 1: people walking down the street every dude who is forty
Speaker 1: eight years old new Hello? Oh yeah. Yeah. In just
Speaker 1: terms of like knowing music and it being commercial, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean Adele sold eight million copies. I
Speaker 1: think of school yeah too. I mean she's doing it
Speaker 1: from a place of and she reaches I think a
Speaker 1: wider age spectrum to like you go to her show
Speaker 1: and you see people like our age, and then you
Speaker 1: see nine year olds. They're both winners. Let's not live,
Speaker 1: they're winners. They're they're doing all right. Mike and the
Speaker 1: un asked before we wrap her up, how do you
Speaker 1: get the call to do SNL? What what happens? Um.
Speaker 1: So the way that happened was after the c M
Speaker 1: as I think the talent booker for SNL he saw
Speaker 1: my performance and it was so last minute because they
Speaker 1: were trying to find the last two or three artists
Speaker 1: for their last few shows of the season, and they
Speaker 1: reached out to me because they had they had heard
Speaker 1: about me for you know, the whole year. It's like
Speaker 1: Elton finally he put the word in. Um. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: those like TV talent bookers know each other and they're
Speaker 1: all like vying for the new artists or whoever. It's
Speaker 1: like very competitive and like crazy. But SNL is such
Speaker 1: um an esteemed music breaking show and they have fewer
Speaker 1: episodes than like obviously Good Morning America blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Fallon um that they they're just so picky and
Speaker 1: they don't really have country artists on their all that often.
Speaker 1: I think the last country artist they had Margot Price
Speaker 1: this year and then Stapleton and yeah, yeah, I always
Speaker 1: get nervous for live stuff just because it's live, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, with SNL, it's just so legendary. Like
Speaker 1: I'm a huge comedy guy, so for me, but even
Speaker 1: I used of the music that's been broken there that
Speaker 1: you walked around looking the pictures in the walls and
Speaker 1: take it in. Yeah, I looked at the pictures, Like
Speaker 1: in my dressing room was all the musical guests that
Speaker 1: had been there, and um yeah, just walking down the
Speaker 1: hallway and seeing these cast pictures from every season and
Speaker 1: seeing like you know, the Will Ferrell's and then um
Speaker 1: seeing like I don't know, there's so many um down
Speaker 1: the hallway and like the first cast and like seventy
Speaker 1: five having like Dan Ackroyd and Chevy Chase. It was
Speaker 1: so cool to see the history. And then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I've just started like getting into Dirty Rock and it.
Speaker 1: Walking the hallways of SNL and like NBC Rockefeller, like
Speaker 1: it's just crazy to feel like you're in that show.
Speaker 1: And it's just yeah, like seeing Keenan walk by, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like Bobby moynihan like doing the thank
Speaker 1: you at the end and like turning around and talking
Speaker 1: to the cast and you're like, you're Bobby moynahan. And
Speaker 1: then we went to the after party and it was
Speaker 1: already so late, like way past my bedtime, and um.
Speaker 1: We went to the restaurant where it was at and
Speaker 1: we just like sort of formed our own party at
Speaker 1: the after party, like my friends and the band and stuff,
Speaker 1: and then we uh, We're like, oh crap, it's like
Speaker 1: four in the morning. We're like we need to go,
Speaker 1: and um, I was like, I'm gonna just check to
Speaker 1: see who's left in here, and it was Vanessa Bear,
Speaker 1: who was so cool, and then Lauren Michaels at four
Speaker 1: and I We've been running around the past two days,
Speaker 1: like at SNL that and the cast is everywhere, but
Speaker 1: I never saw Lauren, but everyone else in my camp did,
Speaker 1: like they were like, oh yeah, he's just always hanging out.
Speaker 1: He's watching every skit and um, I was like I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten a meet him yet. And I'm just
Speaker 1: a huge fan. He's just a legend. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, do I need to walk over? Like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna walk over. I'm just gonna do it. He's with
Speaker 1: his family, I think, and it's four am and he's
Speaker 1: still rocking at this after party and it's winding down obviously,
Speaker 1: but I go over and he sees me walking towards
Speaker 1: him and he's like, oh, hey, he's like a great
Speaker 1: job tonight. That was awesome, thank you for being here,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, thank you for having us. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is truly like we'll never forget this. This is
Speaker 1: been a dream on all of our bucket lists. And
Speaker 1: he was like, you live in Nashville, right, My daughter
Speaker 1: goes to school there. And we just chatted for like
Speaker 1: a minute, and then I was like, I'll leave you
Speaker 1: back to your your dinner, but um, thank you for
Speaker 1: having us. And I walked out and I was like,
Speaker 1: I cannot believe the last person I saw in this
Speaker 1: place was Lorne Michaels. And but he's been doing the
Speaker 1: show for so long. That's their schedule except for a
Speaker 1: brief period of time. The whole time, like he started
Speaker 1: it and it came back, then when it went down,
Speaker 1: he came back. And he's used to just staying up
Speaker 1: that mare And it's good to have you. This has
Speaker 1: been fun, but it's been fun for me. I have
Speaker 1: a wall of people that I really root for it,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to keep them all up there,
Speaker 1: but I have. I just noticed this Jansen and the
Speaker 1: little big town guys and Passway and Keith and Kelsey
Speaker 1: and on the bottom the latest one is a hero
Speaker 1: a vinyl from New So So Cool. You always got
Speaker 1: a friend. Well, I'm glad that we got to do this.
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to for a while. You get too big.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it, couldn't get you in glow trotting
Speaker 1: all over the world. Congratulations on this was so fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you Marion Morris. And buy the record and if
Speaker 1: you hear this one, the next record is out. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Second record is amazing. I mean, if you're hearing this
Speaker 1: then it trust me, it's just as good as an
Speaker 1: European She finally did it, fantastic redid the Dinosaurs song
Speaker 1: so episode thirty one. Gonna go Marion Morris and we'll
Speaker 1: see you got next time. Thanks us