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Speaker 1: sure to tell them that Bobby Bones told you all

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Speaker 1: about them all right, welcome too, episode thirty one of

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Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast. And then this the first one, first

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Speaker 1: second one of the year, right, second year Marion Morris

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Speaker 1: is here, high Mary h Finally good to have you

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Speaker 1: at the house, at the beautiful house. Oh thanks. I

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Speaker 1: I don't know about interview Stal, but I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: But this last year feels like it has been a

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Speaker 1: tornado of just the tornado of Maren. Does it feel

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Speaker 1: I'm still processing even after the holidays, still processing everything

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Speaker 1: But I, yeah, my my head is still getting wrapped

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Speaker 1: of and I would say, hey, what is your goal

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Speaker 1: And luckily, you know, people really responded to my Church,

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Speaker 1: So a year ago, I say, Okay, what's your goal

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Speaker 1: he was like who wrote these songs and the like

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00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: she did, and so he was like, Okay, yeah, we

429
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: need to get this this girl out here. And yeah,

430
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: that phone call was crazy because I was like, Okay,

431
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: I'll just like, you know, put us a single out

432
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: and you know, hope hopefully it goes up the chart.

433
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: And then to have that insurance of being on a

434
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: tour later in the year, um, it just it made

435
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: everything's fall into place so well and so much easier.

436
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: And I feel like he just really he saw something

437
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: in me so early on before everyone jumped in. And

438
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, that's a gigantic risk to

439
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: bring out a brand new artist who's never toured before. Um,

440
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: what a tour for your first tour to I know,

441
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. I feel kind of spoiled. It's like, okay,

442
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: we're just going right up here to Keith urban Um.

443
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 1: But I learned so much, just like I had twenty

444
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: five minutes to really make an impact on his crowd.

445
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: And I feel like from the first show to the

446
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: sixtie show, because it was a long tour, I got

447
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: so much more comfortable on stage. I have more fun

448
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: now on stage, and he kind of set the parameters

449
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: for me to achieve that, and I feel like, yeah,

450
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: I just have so much more of a blast on

451
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: stage now because I'm not afraid of it and I

452
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: can walk out in front of twenty people and not.

453
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still nervous, but I'm not as nervous.

454
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: So it feels like the last six months, you know,

455
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: you're out and you're on TV and you're doing interviews.

456
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: So that's the part that we've known of you is

457
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: the last six months to year. But I don't have

458
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: any idea how you grew up, Like, I don't know,

459
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: like you're five, six years old, what's what's the house like? Um?

460
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: You know, my parents were like working middle class. They

461
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: own a small hair salon in Arlenton, Texas. Yeah, yep,

462
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: my mom still stands behind the chair and cuts hair.

463
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: Is she extra cool now like to her clients everyone? Yeah,

464
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be okay. Um yeah, I

465
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: think like they sort of caught a second wind in life.

466
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: It was like they've supported me for so long and

467
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: then all this stuff to be happening now. Um yeah,

468
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: I mean they just couldn't be prouder. And they were

469
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: at the c m a S and they're going to

470
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: come to the Grammys. They're just freaking out about everything,

471
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: as parents do. And but yeah, they still work and

472
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: they come out to everything that they can, and uh, yeah,

473
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: I just grew up in a home whereas like my

474
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: parents weren't they didn't. My mom liked to sing karaoke.

475
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: She would like win karaoke contests at bars. Do you

476
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: think that when your mom would win karaoke contests? No,

477
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was cool. I kind of do now.

478
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: At the time, I was like, mom, come on, don't sing.

479
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: She would sing like four non blonde. Yes, yeah, that

480
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: was a big one. She loved Dixie Chicks and Wagon,

481
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: which like a mom singing that. It's just yeah, but

482
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: she loves it. And I think, like I would watch

483
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: her and I'd be like, Okay, if if you are

484
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: having this much fun, what am I missing out on?

485
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: And um, I think I was like eight or nine

486
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: and I like I started to sing too, and um

487
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: my dad bought me a I been as acoustic guitar

488
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: are when I was twelve, And I think that's just

489
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: like where it all really cultivated. It was like, Okay,

490
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: I I've always loved to write in school, I was

491
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: terrible at math and science and that I was always

492
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: really good at English and history and creative writing, and

493
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: so I think it just naturally was like, oh, I'll

494
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: just put these lyrics to this, like two chords, I know,

495
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: and then it was a song and not a good one,

496
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: but it was like a start. So um But my

497
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: parents never had like a second guess about um me

498
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: doing this. It wasn't like, well, Okay, this is like

499
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: a cute hobby for now, we'll just take you to

500
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: these operyes and talent shows. But then eventually like you're

501
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: gonna able to call it right like they never said that.

502
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: They were always just like on board from the get go,

503
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: which is you know, I think what kept me going.

504
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526
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: so we're back here, and I guess we're talking about

527
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: your parents and that they give you a guitar. Do

528
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: you take lessons? Do you buy a chord cheat from Walmart, Like,

529
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: what's what's the man More school of learning music? Yeah,

530
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: my dad bought me like a chord book where you

531
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: could like look at the pictures and I would. I

532
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: took a couple of lessons, but I just, um was

533
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: super lazy. I didn't like I didn't like anyone teaching

534
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: me how to play guitar. I was like, this is

535
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: a feel thing. So of course I can't read music

536
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: because I didn't stick with the lessons, But I get

537
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: by enough on guitar to like to write songs. But

538
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm in no way John Osborn so. But by the way,

539
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: it is such a good guitar player. Yeah he is.

540
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: And people don't know that yet. Um that that aren't inside,

541
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: but he's the best. Yeah he is. There's an eight

542
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: minute solo at the end of their first single that

543
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: it ended up, you know, not being on the radio

544
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: for eight minutes. He plays an eight minute guitar solo

545
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: on the end of what is it? What's the first song? Um,

546
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't rung, No it was. It was their second song,

547
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: Rome with the first number one longer, Stay a little longer.

548
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: It was eight minutes older. Oh yeah, yeah, stay a

549
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: little longer and him and it's so good too. And

550
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: I've been you know, I have just have a few

551
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: personal friends and him and Lucy Silver's are like dear

552
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: friends of mine. Lucy's just the She's I think my

553
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: only close friend I haven't had in here yet because

554
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: of my close friends. And I was like, let's just

555
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: let's just hold off a bit. But it's such a

556
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: talented and nice so I can't wait from that inner

557
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: group of folks. Yeah, like John and Lucy Lucy. I

558
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: went and the other night I said, hey, and for

559
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: those who don't Lucy she um, she's New Zealand slash

560
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: British slash American. Just been awesome all the way off. Yeah,

561
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, Lucy, how big were you in

562
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: the UK? And she goes, well, I sold a million

563
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: records And I was like really, she was, yeah, I

564
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: sold a million records, and you know, I didn't walk

565
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: out And I said what was the big song and

566
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: she said, well, I did Metallica. Um it was a

567
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: huge cover of a Metallica song with a full orchestra.

568
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: And I came back and I googled it and I

569
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, it was like nothing else matters.

570
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: This full orchestral Metallica song. I couldn't believe it. It

571
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: is sort of a double life that she's like, yeah,

572
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: I yeah, I please talk to her. I feel like

573
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: I know her story, but I think you will bring

574
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: something out that I'll be like, holy f like that

575
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: happened to Bobby, Bobby, why do you ask me this? Bobby?

576
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: All the time she's sung with like Lionel Richie, like

577
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: there's always like she's so humble it's annoying, but you

578
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: it's not annoying. It's like she means it and she's

579
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: so nice that you're like, Okay, you're not bragging or

580
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: humble bragging because she was telling st but Elton John,

581
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: she was like she was playing with Daniel Bettingfield. I

582
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: don't know if you know who Daniel betting I gotta

583
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: get through this. I gotta make gotta make oh if

584
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: you're not the one, yeah, that one she was like,

585
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: I was she was playing keys with Daniel betting Field

586
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: for Elton John And it was just like in passing

587
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: conversation and I was like, John, I guess called you

588
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: to So what was that what was that about? Um? Yeah, okay,

589
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: so this that happened a few months ago or several

590
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: months ago, and I am was randomly like at home

591
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: for a few day stretch in Nashville, and I was

592
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: just doing my laundry one day at the house and

593
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: Ryan I had no witnesses to this phone call because

594
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: he was out on the front porch talking to someone

595
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: on the phone. And so I'm just like in my

596
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: house doing laundry and I had come back to my

597
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: phone that was on silent, and I had two misscalls

598
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: from like a South London number, because you know, on

599
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: an iPhone, it tells you where it's from. And I

600
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: was like, that's weird. I don't know anyone over there

601
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: that would be calling me at this time of day.

602
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: And my manager texted me like two seconds later, and

603
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: I could not believe it. A shoes like Elton John

604
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: is trying to reach you. Um, and I was like,

605
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, I just missed two phone calls from

606
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Elton John. Like what do I do? Like do I

607
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: call this number back? I'm just like I don't even

608
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: know the protocol, Like what do you do? And she

609
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: was like, hold on, let me get in touch with

610
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: his publicist or something. Whatever happens, and um he called

611
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: back and it was like an unknown number now and okay,

612
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: gotcha is that what that means? Okay, well, I answered

613
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: because I knew who it was, and um, it's like, hey,

614
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: is this Maren And I was like, oh my god,

615
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what Okay, yes it is, and uh

616
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: He's like, oh cool, this is Elton, like no last

617
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: name is Like you know, I'm calling and I was like, oh, hi, hello,

618
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: how are you And he was like, oh, I'm good,

619
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: just at the studio and I don't know. I just

620
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: wanted to get in touch with you to say that

621
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: I got your record. I have it on vinyl. We

622
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: were listening to it at the studio the other night

623
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: and I love your songs and yeah, and so I

624
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: feel like, okay, I'm living out some sort of fever

625
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: dream or something. I'm sick. I think I've it happened.

626
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: I lost my mind. Yeah, like on Mescalin full fledged

627
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: in the desert and yeah, but it sunk in and

628
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: I was like I was trying to find a response

629
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: and I was just like, wow, thank you, that's so cool. Um,

630
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: I'm obviously a huge fan. It's like, okay, why don't

631
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: I even go through the semantics of, you know, trying

632
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: to be cool. It's like, uh, you're Elton John, so um,

633
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: that's a huge honor. And it was so random too,

634
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: because I had just been listening to his music like

635
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: a few days prior, just randomly in my iPhone. To

636
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: have him call me a couple of days later. I

637
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this guy is across the world and

638
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: he's in pop music and he's a legend. How what

639
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: I wish I had asked him was like how did

640
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: you find my music? And I'll never know? And so

641
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I meet him again or something or meet him, but

642
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: I I don't know how he found my album, but

643
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: he had it on vinyl, so there had to have

644
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: been like some sort of like exchange or like someone

645
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: gave it to him. I don't know. But you in

646
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: the Call of Dulton John and who ends it? And

647
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: do you? Is there a point where like I don't

648
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: want to talk too long because I Dulton thinks I'm

649
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: just a loser. I won't hang up right, yeah, or

650
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: I just didn't want it to ever be awkward. I

651
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: was like, this can be the shortest phone call. That's fine, Um,

652
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: But I was trying to like get outside so I

653
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: could put it on speaker so Ryan could hear it,

654
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: and of course, like Elton's like, oh cool, well, cheers love.

655
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: It was so good to talk to you. Hopefully I'll

656
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: see you in the future by and then like I

657
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: opened the door and Ryan's like everything okay, And I

658
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: was like, no, no one heard this, no one witnessed it. Um,

659
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, Elton Jon called me that was pretty freaking crazy.

660
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: When you make a record like Hero which now as

661
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: you look back at it in all its pieces, and

662
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: I enjoy record, I enjoy an album. And when I

663
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: heard it at first, it came to me as, wow,

664
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: this is a bold record now because it's so big,

665
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: and you know how it is bold things become a

666
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: norm once they become huge and popularity. Did you feel like, Okay,

667
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm taking such an artistic leap with this that it's

668
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: either going to just thrive or the world's not ready

669
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: for me right now? Because he wrote was a bold

670
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: record that from the songs, the sound, the textures all

671
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: for country radio. I you know, I sort of look

672
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: at the artists that have I don't know, just just

673
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: slowly chiseled away at a path where I could come

674
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: in and do something all of my own, and so

675
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: I felt like there were elements of this record that

676
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: we're reaching like Okay, this is I. I was pretty strategic,

677
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: but still like emotional in the way that I structured

678
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: the album and which songs I picked, and you know,

679
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: it's like there is a part of your brain that's like, okay,

680
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: the set list, like the track listing, how is this

681
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: going to work? And the songs that are maybe less country,

682
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: like I have to balance it with something that is

683
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: going to be palatable. And it's it's like your first

684
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: album is it's so important because it really is the

685
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: first impression. And I just felt like, yeah, this this

686
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: album is definitely a very edgy and has you know,

687
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: the words ship all over it. I don't know if

688
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: I can cuss on this podcast, Um yeah, I mean

689
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: there's like cursing, and there's there's you know, talk of

690
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: like sex and there. I don't know, it's just like

691
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: so many elements that I you know, I sort of

692
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: laid awake at night and I was like, maybe this

693
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: is not ready, like people aren't ready for this. But

694
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: then I realized I was like I can't think that

695
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: way because I think about like Miranda and I think

696
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: about Sam and you know, Sam Hunt has had some

697
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: major freaking radio success and he's gotten like knocked against

698
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: by people who are like leading the charge for the

699
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: whole like traditional country sound. But he proved them all

700
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: wrong because that record was massively successful and it was him,

701
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: and you know, he's it's so weird that people I

702
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: hate to like branch off for a second, but it's

703
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: it's strange that people are constantly comparing new albums to

704
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: the past because I don't know, I just I never

705
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: listened to music that way, where I listened to like

706
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: a pop song and I'm like, well, this is not

707
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: like Mambo number five. You know, back in our day,

708
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 1: chamba wamba sounded much better than you know, yeah, oh

709
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: my god, yeah exactly. It's really annoying. And I constantly

710
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: fight with people to go, well, that's not country because

711
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough to be able to talk to

712
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: every one from Merle Haggard to Garth Brooks to the

713
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: guys to today, and you know what they all say.

714
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: They were all told what they did did not fit

715
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: right then, every freaking one of them, every one of them,

716
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: was told what all these dicks on all these blogs

717
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: say constantly, Oh that's not country. No one has the

718
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: authority to tell someone what something creative is. Yeah, I mean,

719
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: I think there's historical significance in the roots of country music,

720
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: but I think the roots of it have always been

721
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: the same and continue to be the same. There rooted

722
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: in honesty and truth and saying it like it is

723
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: and real life situations and heart and lyrical value. And

724
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know, that's in a lot of genres,

725
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: but I feel like country music is known for that

726
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: and really created that that realm. And so whether you

727
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: put a synthesizer on a song or a beat or whatever,

728
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well, Sam hunt is you could compare

729
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: him to like Conway Twitty and even the Johnny Cash

730
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: who would talk and play quote devil rock and roll.

731
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: My grandma Arkansas grand wants people would protest him because

732
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: of the Devil's rock and roll that he would play.

733
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: Patsy Klein considered Walking after Midnight a little old pop song,

734
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: that's what she called it. She thought that was pop

735
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: back then. So you think about today and it's like, okay, well,

736
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: there's always going to be you know, the nights of

737
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: traditional country music values. But I think at the end

738
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: of the day, it's like people want to People respond

739
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: to music that's good and that moves them. So that's

740
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: what kept me, uh confident and Hero coming out. So

741
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: if Hero would have failed, you would have black m hm.

742
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: I would have kept writing. Yeah, I don't think anything

743
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: would have changed. Honestly, I think it would have. I

744
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: would have been discouraged, but I think I would have

745
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: kept writing. I would have kept going because I'd be like,

746
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: I loved this record and I'm proud of it no

747
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: matter what, um, whether it wins an award or someone

748
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: says it's a disgrace to country music. Um, I loved it.

749
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: And I have seen so much more of the world now,

750
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: um since putting the album out, and I feel like

751
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: people are I don't know, they're they're more vocal about

752
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: their love of country or maybe if they weren't a

753
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: country fan, Hero turned them onto country. And that's like

754
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: a huge honor because ah, it is a cool sort

755
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: of like gateway drug in a way. It's like, Okay, well,

756
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: there are so many elements of country on my album,

757
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: but you can also find R and B and classics,

758
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: sole and rock and pop, so many elements but it's

759
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: all rooted in the same thing. It's rooted in honesty

760
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: and that like country lyrics structure where everything is like

761
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: air tight and the rhymes are on top of each other.

762
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's it's been cool to see uh,

763
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: different age generations connect to that album because it really

764
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: is um an album for everyone. There's there's no song alike,

765
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I'm really proud of it, and

766
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad that people are are liking it. To you,

767
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 1: this is my jam right here, but i'd be rich.

768
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: So this is rich? That's how And have you talked

769
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: about it? I actually the personal story. So I I

770
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm on the road basically every weekend, and so um

771
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: I was by the way, I'm glad you got here

772
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: when you did. I was packing. I don't know if

773
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: you're an about packing like me, Like I have to

774
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: go through and make sure I have every piece of

775
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: clothing for every available Like Okay, daytime, I'm wearing this.

776
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: In the evening, i'll wear this, then I'll change into this,

777
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: and I have to go through all of these little

778
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: clothing changes in my head. Do you do that every week? Oh? No,

779
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm a terrible packer. Oh, I have a peg, and

780
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: then I have to get Then I go to pill

781
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: everything back out and count it all back in. I'm

782
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: so o c D about everything. Yeah, but at least

783
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: you don't have to stress out about it once and

784
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: then I get I forget some a sock or something.

785
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: But I play this, And the reason I bring it

786
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 1: up is so I have to stand up comedy shows

787
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: this weekend, and this is a song that I played

788
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: before I go out on stage. You do, yeah, so

789
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: I play rich, So tell me about the song. Where

790
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: were you who? Concept like, give me the whole deal here. Um,

791
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: I was here in Nashville. I was at my publisher,

792
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: Big Yellow Dog, and with Jesse Joe Dillen, Laura Belts.

793
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: Jesse Joe had told me this title like a week prior.

794
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: We were at winners Um in Midtown and she was

795
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: she's such an amazing writer, but she brought that title

796
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: as a sad song. She was like, God, if I

797
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: just want to write it, you know there and like,

798
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: if if I had a dollar for every time you

799
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: screwed me over or broke my heart, I'd be rich.

800
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, Like that's really good. But

801
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: then We got into the room that day with Laura

802
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: and it was like, I don't think this is a

803
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: sad song. I think it's like a fu song. And

804
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: so we just started with this guitar riff and Laura

805
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: was playing and um, I was trying to play, and

806
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: we just started, like I guess, adding all these crazy examples,

807
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: and then we got to the second verse and I

808
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: was just threw out jokingly. I was like, if I

809
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: had a dime every time you crossed my mind, I'd

810
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: probably be sitting on a big as pile of dimes.

811
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: And I was kidding. But then they were like, I

812
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: think we should keep that because that's just funny, and um,

813
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: so we did. It's like, whatever line, whether it's stupid

814
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: or not, if you throw it out like nothing stupid,

815
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: that's what I've sort of and except what I just

816
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: did drop the mic. Um. Yeah, I feel like you

817
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: just have to like put it out there and then

818
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: you can decide if it's not going to work or not.

819
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: But I like to dare to be stupid in the

820
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: writing room. But yeah, we kept that line in and

821
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's one of my favorites on the

822
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: album too, and favorites live because it's just the crossing

823
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: a Yeah. But girls, I feel like young girls, really

824
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: really you, and you have a song that's just come

825
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: out of you, like like some artists will come in

826
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: and go, hey, you know what the song is. It

827
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: came fifteen minutes, like the song was there and I

828
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. Do you have any of those? Um? Yeah,

829
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: I could use a love song with sort of like that.

830
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: UM in my church we wrote really quick too, but

831
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: I could use a love song. Um. We wrote in

832
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: the morning. It's a long story, but it was like

833
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: after a couple of drinks, all yeah, we're all having

834
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: like a really crap day, and Laura Belts had just

835
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: gotten a ticket Jimmy Robbins. Something had happened, and then

836
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: I had had a weird start to the morning. And

837
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: we get there and we're all just like really dejected

838
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: and like how how are we going to write a song?

839
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: And Laura's like, do you want to walk to Losers?

840
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: And so I was. It was eleven o'clock and I

841
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: was like maybe, and we all were on board, and

842
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: we went over and we had like one drink and

843
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: walked back and I had most of hero already done

844
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: and then Jimmy was like, do you have any like

845
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: what are you missing off the album, which is like

846
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: the weirdest question to get from people. It's like, I

847
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: don't know, Um, I'll know it when I hear it,

848
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: I guess. And I was like, it's weird. This whole

849
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: song like doesn't have any love songs on it. It's

850
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: like the first record I've heard in a while it doesn't.

851
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: And Jimmy's like, oh, but you could you could use

852
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: a love song though, right, and uh, Laura like jotted

853
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: down that as a title, but it was just in

854
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: conversation like, oh, but you could use a love song

855
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: on the on the album and uh so yeah. We

856
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 1: went back and she was like, I think we should

857
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: just write a song called I could use a love song?

858
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: And we I don't know, like the sky opened up

859
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: that day and maybe it was because our filters had

860
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: been drunk away, but we just like poured through that

861
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: song and had the demo done within like an hour

862
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: and a half. And play this for you. Tell me

863
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this song right here day man. It's

864
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: hunched over in her chair right now. Okay, this is

865
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: your silver bullet for the interview. I don't have bullets.

866
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: Oh my good, run day. Where did you find that?

867
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: What about where I had? I was, Oh my god,

868
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: it's this. No, Oh I can hear that thirteen year

869
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: old paying kid about did you write better Days? I

870
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: wrote it with my mom? Actually really yeah, I used

871
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: to right back then. Uh oh my god, I feel

872
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: like my face so hot right now. Um, I'm trying

873
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: to remember back that far. I mean that was like

874
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: so long ago. I'm turning. Where were you playing that

875
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: at bars? Yeah? And how are you getting into bars?

876
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: Because your mom was like, hey, she's cool, she's me,

877
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: She's cool. I'm the karaoke champions. Um. No, I mean

878
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: in Texas it's weird. I mean you might know this.

879
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: Like if you are a kid and you have your

880
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: parents with you, Yeah, you can drink and you can

881
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: be in the bar. I mean I wouldn't drink, but

882
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: I would definitely. I was able to play these shows

883
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: in these you know, gritty honky tonks because my parents

884
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: were there, um and they were my managers, so they were,

885
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: um driving me to and fro from all these gigs.

886
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, thirteen, when that gem of a song was written,

887
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: I was playing in like the White Elephant Saloon and

888
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: like the crap stage outside of Billy Bob's. I don't know,

889
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: I've I've been doing this so long. I make my

890
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: sound myself sounds so old, but I really have been

891
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: hustling in bars and honky tonks since I was twelve.

892
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: Here's a song called walk On Okay, can we just

893
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: play all my demos instead? How old are you with

894
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: this one? To go back? But there's something there, like

895
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: you know it always I'm always like, oh, I'd like

896
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: to hear stuff either from when I was seventeen on

897
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: the radio. Yeah, but do you hear it? Like? Do

898
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: you hear something there in that thirteen year old voice?

899
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: I think I was a little more nasally with let's

900
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: let's just like talent wise, like something there, something there

901
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: that's inherent. Do you hear something inherently in that? Yeah?

902
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: I mean I've always I've always loved music, and I've

903
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: loved performing and writing songs. So I think, you know,

904
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: I try to think back to what my parents were

905
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: thinking at the time, because they're obviously biased. It's like

906
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: those parents that have talented kids quote unquote, it's like, well,

907
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: you are their parents, so how do you really know

908
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: but then I'm trying to like look back at my

909
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: parents and for them to put aside that parental love

910
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, can she actually do this? Is

911
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: she even like emotionally emotionally capable to play these bars

912
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: and ship like I I think do Like, Okay, you're

913
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna play these bars and they're gonna be a lot

914
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: of rally drunk people or is it like man, just

915
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: go and we'll watch. Yeah, I mean they they I

916
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: never played anywhere to c D where it was like

917
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: dangerous to be in there. They certainly would not have

918
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: um taken me to a bar like that. But I

919
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: grew up around adults and like people drinking and smoking

920
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: inside and you can still do that in Texas, and

921
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: like I grew up in that environment, so by the

922
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: time I turned twenty one, it was like not cool

923
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: that you could drink um. Yeah. But yeah, they definitely

924
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: the whole time saw something in me. And I don't know,

925
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're talking about like the thirteen year

926
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: old self to your friends, because you could you were

927
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: singing and playing and regardless of where you were singing

928
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: and you were still singing and playing. Yeah. Yeah, they

929
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: were all so excited they come to my shows, which

930
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: the ones they could get into. Um, but yeah, it

931
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: was weird. I went to like a public high school

932
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: and on the weekends I would go do these shows

933
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: around Texas to talent shows. Sup. At school, I never

934
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: did a talent show. I was in musical theater, so

935
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: I did all the musicals and like which ones? Because

936
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm a little theater you are, Yeah, I agree. So

937
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: Danny Zooko in Greece. Wow, that's a big one. It

938
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: was awesome. I don't like to dance, so we need

939
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: to find that footage, and it exists. I would like

940
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: that it all back. Well from your key screen is

941
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: your silver bullet. So what did you do so theater wise?

942
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: What was your favorite? I did? Um, My first one

943
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: was when I was a freshman, and it was It's

944
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: Susical the musical okay Dr SEUs, Yes, and I played

945
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: a little boy. So that was my first one. And

946
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: then um, I did Little Shop of Horror. I did

947
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: a Little Shop of Horse. Who are you in it?

948
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: I was Seymour, I was Audrey. That's so funny. Weird.

949
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: Mercy said, that's so funny. Oh my god, that's I did. Agree.

950
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: I did a Little Shop Worth Love and my junior

951
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: year and Greece my senior year. I did Little Shot

952
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: my junior year, and that was like like that. It

953
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: was so dark for high school. I'm actually really surprised

954
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: my high school allowed they got it, though I don't.

955
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: I think the movie was out and we were The

956
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: movie was before me too, like Rick Maranis and stuff.

957
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: But I think it made it so safe because he

958
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: was so safe that everyone was kind of lost it.

959
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: I look back on it now, I'm like, oh my god,

960
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: Like in the movie and the play, like I have

961
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: to be hit, not like for real, but like she's

962
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: in an abusive relationship and there's like all these like

963
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: dark sex jokes, and I was like, if I was

964
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: a parent in the crowd, I'd be like, who okay,

965
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: this this is like way too advanced for high school kids.

966
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: But we didn't. You're right, we didn't get it. We

967
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: didn't get it at all. It was almost it was

968
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: the SpongeBob effective plays, like the kids don't get the

969
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: adult jokes and SpongeBob. I just thought I was freaking

970
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: talking to a plant and you know, but that that's

971
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: so Yeah. It was just I was magical little that's funny.

972
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: Tell me about this all that it takes. Yeah, No,

973
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: I was actually oh yeah, I was seventeen. This was

974
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: my um number one in Texas. When you get a

975
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: number one in Texas, do you think, okay, well, all right, Texas,

976
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: thank you. Now it's time to go and bust out nationally,

977
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: Like did you think it was just gonna be like

978
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: pop up up um? I think okay. So I was seventeen,

979
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: and I I think at the time, I was like, no,

980
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: now I'm going to be in the big leagues of Texas.

981
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: And I didn't have any sights to go to Nashville

982
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: until I was, like, you know, in my early twenties,

983
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: but I, yeah, I wanted to like tour around Texas

984
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: and basically head line and you know, like all the

985
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,479
Speaker 1: greats down there to me, like you know, I loved

986
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: Wade Bowen and Stoney LaRue and Randy Rogers and uh

987
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: Rodney Foster and all those guys. It was like green

988
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: Hall of cool places you to play. Yeah, I've played

989
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: there once and I actually requested on my headline tour

990
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: that we hit green Hall. So I'm going to do

991
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: a Green Hall show, which I'm so excited about. But yeah,

992
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: that's the coolest venue. I feel like in Texas. It's

993
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: the oldest dance hall and it's like George Straits. I mean,

994
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: that's that's the George Straight I'm here. So you were

995
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: in Austin, So do you remember? Um, he's still around

996
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: and I love him. But Bob Schneider, Oh yeah, Bob

997
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: played my show many times. Yeah, so I Um, I

998
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: saw him at Green That was like the last show

999
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: I saw there. But I love him. Um, but I'm excited.

1000
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: It's sort of full circle to get to play there

1001
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: on my own tour. I mean I run Bob when

1002
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: I was in Austin with dating Sandra Bullock. Yeah, because

1003
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: she lived in Austin too, And yeah, Bobic can buy

1004
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: a Players show all the time. That's crazy, but it's

1005
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: not crazy because we're, you know, from basically the same place. Yeah.

1006
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: I've been a fan of his for over a decade now,

1007
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: so I think he was a little before his time frankly. Yeah,

1008
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: and he's one of those where it's like he can

1009
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: do anything. He can do any genre. So I think

1010
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: it's sort of hard to to find a spot because

1011
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: he is so good at so many Third album, Born Again,

1012
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: somewhere what this record. It's funny. It's like born again

1013
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: and now there's my church. Um I was nineteen. I

1014
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: think I sound a little more like myself. I feel

1015
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: like definitely more country. Really like that Texas country too.

1016
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: I think there's some Texas country and Hero though, like

1017
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: I hear it, I still hear all you do I do?

1018
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: I do? Ever said that to me? I I, you know,

1019
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: lived in Texas for a long time, and I do.

1020
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: I do hear a little bit of Texas country in Hero,

1021
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: but I hear a lot of things in Hero, which

1022
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: is what's cool about the record, because every song there's

1023
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: a little bit of similarity, but there's a lot that's

1024
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: not as you go from track to track, if that

1025
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: makes sense at all. Yeah. I have some other audio

1026
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: clips here and like autum no more like that, don't worry.

1027
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: I speaking of Lucy Silva's villain. Yes, familiar with the song?

1028
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: How so? I wrote it because you were the clumb

1029
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: down and I'll take the phone school if you if

1030
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: you look for She's so good? Yeah? Has she told

1031
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: me the story behind this music video? I've seen the

1032
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: video and the parts of it. What tell me, Well,

1033
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: we shot it at an actual prison, Umar Huntsville. Are

1034
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: you gonna call her? I? I just came to do

1035
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: like makeup touch ups. This is like a year and

1036
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: a half ago. But we shot it at a working

1037
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: prison and yeah, it was pretty crazy too, to be

1038
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: in a prison with real invite. Yeah, and like Lucy

1039
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: is so beautiful and like her walking past, and then

1040
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: I idiotically wore shorts that day and all the guys

1041
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: are like, whoa, oh god, this is so so crazy.

1042
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: Let's Eflucy answers. I think she's in town. I don't know.

1043
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: I don't qu're gonna hit it with her. Um, let's

1044
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: leave a message hide back to you. Oh no, the

1045
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: mailbox is full. Okay, she may call back. How about

1046
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: this song here Greener Pastures? Yes, well you know about

1047
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: this one. Ryan and I wrote this with John and

1048
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: t J. Ford The Bad Pastures Man had to go

1049
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: to that. You all four, you guys right there June,

1050
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: Ryan write that for those two, the four of us

1051
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: that just sitting around, you guys are just like, let's

1052
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: just rock something out. It was weird because like we've

1053
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: been friends with John and t J for years, we've

1054
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: never written together, and they've never been homes honestly, so

1055
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: we had it on the books to write. It was

1056
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: like a for real co write, and um, I was

1057
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: nervous because like to write with friends is it can

1058
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: go either way. It can either be amazing, which luckily

1059
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: this one turned out to be, or it can be

1060
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: like kind of a downer and it's like everything's cool,

1061
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, let's not do this again. But you know

1062
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: we I had that title for years in my phone

1063
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 1: and no one would write it with me. And Ryan

1064
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: will attest to this like I I threw that title

1065
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: at him and writes for like two years straight and

1066
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: no one ever bit at it. And then finally I

1067
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: threw it out the final time at this brother's Osborne

1068
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: co write, and yeah, I was like, I've had this

1069
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: title Greener Pastors in my phone forever. And I looked

1070
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: at Ryan and I was like, I feel like it

1071
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: could be a cool play on words about like breaking

1072
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: up with someone or them leaving you and then you

1073
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: just go smoke a joint or something like moving on

1074
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: to greener pastures. And John and t J laughed and

1075
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: like loved it, and then John started playing that like

1076
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 1: riff and yeah, it was like a pretty easy co write,

1077
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: which I'm astounded at because, um, with friends it can

1078
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: be weird. But we Yeah, we had the best time.

1079
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: And then when they played us the recording of it

1080
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: and J Joyce produced it, which I love. I loved

1081
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: J Joyce. Um, I'm a huge Patty Griffin fan, and

1082
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: he did her Flaming Red album which I love. But

1083
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: he produced that song for John and t J and

1084
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: I just like died listening to it. And it was

1085
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: cool to hear them do it at the rheman at

1086
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: their show. It was really cool, man so much so

1087
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: I'll ask you this. And when Ryan, by the way

1088
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: Ryan heard was then you mentioned a few times and

1089
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: I'll do the same thing with you that with Ryan,

1090
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: I didn't bring you up until later, but he just

1091
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: kept referencing unfl like, well, if I don't address what

1092
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: you're referencing, people aren't even going to know. So Ryan

1093
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: heard your boyfriend right now. Yeah, And so I'm a

1094
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: huge Ryan fan. Yeah, minus marine, I'm a huge Ryan fan.

1095
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: Like I I just I enjoy him. I enjoy his music.

1096
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: I love where he comes from. He just seems like

1097
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: a guy that is like it into a happy universe,

1098
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Like he just seems like a

1099
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: guy that wants peace in the universe, and he makes

1100
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: me want to have peace in the universe when like

1101
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm around him. And so you guys write a lot together,

1102
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: do you guys talk about music a lot? I mean,

1103
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: is that really what the bond? Yeah? I mean that's

1104
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: how we met each other was in a co write

1105
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: and um, it was like three and a half almost

1106
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: four years ago, and we we've just been friends for

1107
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: years and we were both in other relationships and um,

1108
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that was the first. Um bond

1109
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: was just hey, I love writing songs with you. And

1110
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: we got our first cut together with Tim McGraw and

1111
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: then yeah, we just asked our publishers to keep putting

1112
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: us on our books and yeah, I think, well it

1113
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: was funny Brothers Osborne. That was our second like actual

1114
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: cut together. But we've had a few placements and stuff

1115
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: on Nashville and whatnot. But at the crux of it,

1116
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, yes, I love writing songs with you.

1117
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: But after, you know, we sort of started like falling

1118
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: for each other and not just like in a friendly way.

1119
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't know, I used to to

1120
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: worry about oh, like I always want to be able

1121
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: to write songs with him, that's this relationship. But now

1122
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: it's like I don't really care. I mean, it's cool

1123
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: if we get a cool song, but it's cool to

1124
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: be in a relationship where that's not contingent on it anymore.

1125
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: It's like we've written plenty of great songs together and

1126
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: now it's just about our relationship and leaning on each

1127
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: other during the craziest time of our lives, like kick

1128
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: starting our artist careers. And yeah, um, he's he's just

1129
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: an in double person. Like I could probably talk about

1130
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: him for the rest of this podcast, but I won't.

1131
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: I'll um save you from that. Um. But yeah, he

1132
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: just he really does have a heart of gold, and

1133
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: you're right where he lives in this world where um,

1134
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: he's so thoughtful and he really he cares about the

1135
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: energy around him, and he cares about like if you're okay,

1136
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: and not like in a pressing way. He's just he's

1137
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: always aware of if people are feeling taking care of

1138
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: or not. And he's like that with really every facet

1139
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: of his career. Would sponsor Mike, We're good, alright, cool,

1140
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: So let's talk. Let's go to now we're just now.

1141
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: It's weird and in a great way. So I thought

1142
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: what you said at the c m AS is pretty

1143
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: remarkable and poignant and such a big stage and such

1144
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: small awesome words where you were like a year ago,

1145
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: watched this from across the street that I thought it

1146
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: was just like, I mean that as innated with me.

1147
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm not even trying to be you, and that resonated

1148
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: with me. I wonder like, did you have that ready?

1149
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: Was that? Because I still remember you getting up and

1150
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: saying that and going, I mean that, that's the perfect

1151
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: thing to say right there, like everybody's inspired. I don't

1152
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: care what you're doing music, live, digging ditches, driving truck

1153
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: like you should. That's inspiring right there. So talking about

1154
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: that moment for a second, Well, when I got up there,

1155
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: and I've been thinking about that all night, like I

1156
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: didn't think I was going to be able to accept

1157
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: an award that night, but I was thinking just to myself,

1158
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 1: like in a personal way, I was like, oh my god,

1159
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even think I was going to get

1160
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: an invitation to the c m AS this year, let

1161
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: alone be nominated, And yeah, I was just thinking like wow,

1162
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: I sat across the Street from Bridgetone a year ago

1163
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: um with friends and we got dressed up and went

1164
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: to the Palm Bar and just watched on TV and

1165
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: watched people like Chris Stapleton's life change with one performance,

1166
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, that had been kind of rattling around my

1167
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: mind all day really, but when I got up there,

1168
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: I was so overcome with emotion and I like laugh

1169
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: and cry watching the footage back because I brought my

1170
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: purse up on stage with me, like my clutch. I

1171
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: should have just like left it, and I'm trying to

1172
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: open it because I had a note card inside with people.

1173
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: Lucy's calling. Oh okay, hello, Lucy. Hey, I'm with Marin

1174
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: right now. And so you're you're on record, So don't

1175
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: say anything that you wouldn't want out there. Don't talk

1176
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: about me. Oh you're you're in a bad place. Listen,

1177
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: you're cutting out? Where are you? Okay, okay, okay, I'm

1178
01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: going I don't even know she? Can you hear me now?

1179
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: I can? Yeah, I can hear. That doesn't mean I

1180
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, but I can hear you now perfectly. Yeah,

1181
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: we got you. We're talking about you, and so you

1182
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: don't know what we're talking about, so it's good that

1183
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: you're kind of hopping in. Oh, how would you describe

1184
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: Marin as a friend. We have so much history and

1185
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: so many stories that I have many ways, But the

1186
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: first thing that comes to my mind is that I

1187
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: don't know. She's so she's so sweet. She has like

1188
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: a little giggle that she giggles and things and it

1189
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: just makes her horrible. Um. But I don't know as

1190
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: a friend, supposed to just a person in general, I'd say, um,

1191
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: she's got a lot of empathy for the people around her. Um.

1192
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: I've always thought she's been there for some of the

1193
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: most important, probably the most important time in my life,

1194
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: which is that they got married as John's best man. Oh,

1195
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,479
Speaker 1: she said she was John's best man. That I didn't

1196
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: know that, and she you know, I think he's just

1197
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: wanted these people that Um. Um. I just she's got

1198
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 1: a mystery around her. But as a friend, she's never

1199
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: she's she always feel like she's there for me. I

1200
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: can tell the things I don't and that you don't

1201
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: have that with everybody with friends, you're always some friends

1202
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: you have to think. I'm going to filter that out

1203
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: because I don't want to tell them that, but I

1204
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: don't feel like that was Marion, So it was all

1205
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: my deepest talker secrets. And now, Lucy, how am I

1206
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: is a friend? You're awful, know you. Well it's so

1207
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,479
Speaker 1: far You've been great. You tell the truth, which I like, well,

1208
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: thank you. Hey, Well we I feel like, Lucy, we

1209
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: do these shows and you come up on every one

1210
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: of them one because I'm I'm just yes, it's like

1211
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: the fourth one that you've come up. So now we've

1212
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: got to make a point to get you, to get

1213
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: you up here. But yeah, I want to hear that. Yeah,

1214
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: you were you recording right now. I'm actually just doing

1215
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: vocals on a song that I wrote with Ryan Beaver,

1216
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, I love Ryan, best day listening

1217
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: to his voice, and I'm very excited to just go

1218
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: home and sit on my porch for the rest of

1219
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: the night and do nothing. I'm about to do that too. Well,

1220
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: thank you for calling me back, Lucy, talk to you soon. Bye.

1221
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: Lucy showed up at um Our show a couple of

1222
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: nights ago with Ted Danson and she was like, hey,

1223
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: because she writes with Ted's wife Mary, and so Ted

1224
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: dancing shows up and you know when you get to

1225
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: see cool people most of the time, it's just it's cool.

1226
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: But it was Ted dancing. I was like, that's freaking

1227
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: Ted dancing. It's like Cheers, It's like Becker And so

1228
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I get a picture. I was

1229
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: like sure, And then I got out on stage, like

1230
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: everybody look as Tad dancing. He was nice, oh, super

1231
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 1: nice and really good looking. Yeah, he's one of the

1232
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: most really mind And I hated to catch you off there.

1233
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to put Lucy keep ringing. Oh yeah,

1234
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: you have your you have your your clutch with you.

1235
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I just you know, you don't really have

1236
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: time to think or do much except walk forward. And

1237
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: so I brought my clutch and Jennifer Garner's trying to

1238
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: help me open it for like what seemed like an eternity,

1239
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: and um, I just had a note card inside and

1240
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: all it said was like the names of people like

1241
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: my manager and obviously like my mom and dad, and

1242
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: these are the only people I got to um. But

1243
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: I was just yeah, I had just come off this

1244
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: like high from performing and that was such a gigantic performance,

1245
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: just so much energy on stage and so much music,

1246
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: and I was just firing on all cylinders. And then

1247
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: I got off stage with all this adrenaline and they

1248
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, we need to see you really quick

1249
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: because they're about to do best New Artists. And I

1250
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just catching my breath. And then they

1251
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: called my name and was it weird to hear you name? Yeah?

1252
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 1: It was. I felt like I was in the twilight

1253
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: zone for a second, because you have those dreams kind

1254
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: of since you were a kid. And then I heard

1255
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: her say it and yeah, I mean you see it

1256
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: in my face, just the utter shock, and um. I

1257
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 1: got my clutch and hugged Ryan, hugged Stapleton, and walked

1258
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: up there, luckily without tripping, and I just couldn't. I mean,

1259
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: it was almost going to be one of those cries

1260
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,799
Speaker 1: that you can't get words out, and I was dancing

1261
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: on that line, but I was just overcome with emotion

1262
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: and my parents being in the audience too, and I

1263
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: bought them seats, but they were like further back, and

1264
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: I just I knew. I was like trying to find

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: them in the crowd. I couldn't. But um, and then

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01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: you see the the time thing tacking down. It's like, okay,

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01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: you have four seconds left to say thank you to

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01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: all these people that got you there, And um, yeah,

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01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't fit everyone in, but I feel like I

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01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: got the really important people. And um, that was Ryan's

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01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: birthday that night, so it was just like a double celebration.

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01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't have prepared that I was in

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01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: a bar a year prior. But I was thinking about

1274
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: that all night that I was sitting in. Now that

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01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: gave me chills because it wasn't just about you or

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01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: the industry or that moment. It was about what everyone

1277
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: watching could look at and go. You know, every long

1278
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: journey does start with a step, and here's that journey,

1279
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: and here's a step, and now are you freaking are

1280
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: and what can happen in a year? I wonder as

1281
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: your parents are sitting in the crowd, and they've allowed

1282
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: and encouraged you, like and it's hard when you love

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01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: someone a lot for that love to grow. But has

1284
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: the love grown as you've araciated more what they did

1285
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: for you when you were younger? Oh yeah, absolutely. It's

1286
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: sort of that mentality when you uh you live with

1287
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: your parents and you're so ready to move out and

1288
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: like go be an adult and then you're like a

1289
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: few years into paying all your own bills and you're like, wow,

1290
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: they really took care of me. And then I'm sure

1291
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: it changes even more when you get married and have

1292
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: kids and you're like, oh my god, my parents were

1293
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: right and the same thing happened, you know, because I

1294
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: was sort of a child performer. And now I'm you know,

1295
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 1: going on twenty seven soon, and I think about my

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01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: parents and the sacrifices they've made because we didn't come

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01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: from money by any means, Like my mom grew up poor. Um,

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01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: just like very humble beginnings. I never had any sort

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01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: of hand out and neither did they. And they would still,

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01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, pay the band when the owner of the

1301
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: crappy club would stiff us our money, they would pay

1302
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: out of their own pocket. That was not deep And um, yeah,

1303
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: I think about everything that they sacrificed their time, and

1304
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: yes they had fun doing it too, but at the

1305
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like they they really did

1306
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: give up everything so on a whim, just a girl,

1307
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: an eleven year old, twelve year old that like to sing,

1308
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: could do it in front of a few people, and

1309
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: it's just snowballed. So yeah, I definitely think about that

1310
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: now and have so much better appreciation for what my

1311
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: parents did for me and UM. And it's not even

1312
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: about money, it's not about anything. It's just about giving

1313
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 1: your kid the tools to think something of themselves. And

1314
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm very passionate about like fine arts education because I

1315
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: didn't go to like a cool or like nice school.

1316
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: I went to public school was kind of ghetto, and

1317
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: you know, it just it didn't have a fine arts

1318
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: program that was anything really like I did theater and

1319
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: choir and stuff, but there was just no funding to

1320
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 1: do anything. But I was so lucky at home to

1321
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: have parents that believed in my love for music and

1322
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 1: UM gave me that platform to be able to do it.

1323
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of kids like they want

1324
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: to go to school to escape home because maybe at

1325
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: home no one does believe in them, or it's put

1326
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: on the other kid, or there's just no one home.

1327
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: And I think about, you know, when you go to school,

1328
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: like the people there that are supposed to be like

1329
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: enriching you creatively, Uh, it just gets less and less,

1330
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: I feel every year. So I was really lucky in

1331
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: those formidable ages to have parents that really gave a

1332
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: shit about me. Um, so, yeah, I'm I'm excited. My

1333
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: mom is going to be my date to the Grammys

1334
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: and uh, we've been going back and forth about what

1335
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: we're wearing ing and um yeah, I mean she's earned

1336
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: that spot just as much as I. The emotion coming

1337
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: from her voice when you talk about them really. Yeah,

1338
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stay cool. I've cried enough at the

1339
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: c m As, so trying to keep it together now.

1340
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm excited for them to come out to that,

1341
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: because they came out to the c m As, but

1342
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,879
Speaker 1: this time it's like my mom and dad and sister Carson,

1343
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: my younger sister. She's never gotten to come to an

1344
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: award show, so it's like their first time at that

1345
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: and it's freaking Grammys. So and yet for four Yeah,

1346
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I texted Kelsey Um the morning the

1347
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 1: announcement came out about the nominations, and it was so early,

1348
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: and I think I may have been like the first

1349
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: person to tell her. I don't know, I might be

1350
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: taking that credit, but I texted her the second I

1351
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 1: found out that we were both up for Best New Artists,

1352
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, we're going to Hollywood and yeah,

1353
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean I was just like astounded that I got

1354
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: nominated in that category. But also it's so cool to

1355
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: like have this full circle moment with artists like Keith

1356
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: where you took me out on tour and now we're

1357
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: both up for Best Album and to be in these

1358
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 1: categories with like Thomas Rhett and I don't know, it's

1359
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: like it's so cool to see these like buddies of mine. Um,

1360
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: like we all are coming up together, and especially artists

1361
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: like Kelsey. It's like we are in this class of

1362
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 1: new artists and it's cool to have these winds and

1363
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: whoever wins that night, um honestly, like it sounds cliche,

1364
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: but I do think just being nominated, I mean, think

1365
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: about the thousands of write in forms um entries that

1366
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: were given to these awards shows and the Grammys, and

1367
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: you think about they narrowed it down to five and

1368
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: that's like a huge win in itself. I voted last night.

1369
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: I had a mailed that guy. Yeah, did you have

1370
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: to overnight it? Yeah? Yeah, it was like I cut

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01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: it really close, um, because I've I've been gone like

1372
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: for the last few weeks. Um, so yeah, I voted

1373
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: the day before yesterday I'll keep all the country stuff

1374
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: out of it. But I voted for Adele on about

1375
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: every single pop he did. Yeah, I think Hello should

1376
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:35,759
Speaker 1: have won just about every yeah, major song or pop category. Yeah.

1377
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean that was like the biggest song of last

1378
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: year for sure. I mean they just engulfed all of

1379
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: all time and space, Yeah, YouTube, radio, every mean it's

1380
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a showdown. I think I think it's going

1381
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 1: to be. I mean the thing about Beyonce's though hers

1382
01:17:54,760 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 1: didn't crossover as much into just the regular mainstream. Will

1383
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: people walking down the street every dude who is forty

1384
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 1: eight years old new Hello? Oh yeah. Yeah. In just

1385
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: terms of like knowing music and it being commercial, yeah,

1386
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean Adele sold eight million copies. I

1387
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: think of school yeah too. I mean she's doing it

1388
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: from a place of and she reaches I think a

1389
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: wider age spectrum to like you go to her show

1390
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: and you see people like our age, and then you

1391
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 1: see nine year olds. They're both winners. Let's not live,

1392
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: they're winners. They're they're doing all right. Mike and the

1393
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: un asked before we wrap her up, how do you

1394
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: get the call to do SNL? What what happens? Um.

1395
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: So the way that happened was after the c M

1396
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: as I think the talent booker for SNL he saw

1397
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 1: my performance and it was so last minute because they

1398
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 1: were trying to find the last two or three artists

1399
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,480
Speaker 1: for their last few shows of the season, and they

1400
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: reached out to me because they had they had heard

1401
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: about me for you know, the whole year. It's like

1402
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: Elton finally he put the word in. Um. Yeah, all

1403
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: those like TV talent bookers know each other and they're

1404
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: all like vying for the new artists or whoever. It's

1405
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: like very competitive and like crazy. But SNL is such

1406
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: um an esteemed music breaking show and they have fewer

1407
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: episodes than like obviously Good Morning America blah blah blah,

1408
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: Jimmy Fallon um that they they're just so picky and

1409
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: they don't really have country artists on their all that often.

1410
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: I think the last country artist they had Margot Price

1411
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: this year and then Stapleton and yeah, yeah, I always

1412
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: get nervous for live stuff just because it's live, and

1413
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, with SNL, it's just so legendary. Like

1414
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 1: I'm a huge comedy guy, so for me, but even

1415
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: I used of the music that's been broken there that

1416
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 1: you walked around looking the pictures in the walls and

1417
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: take it in. Yeah, I looked at the pictures, Like

1418
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: in my dressing room was all the musical guests that

1419
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: had been there, and um yeah, just walking down the

1420
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: hallway and seeing these cast pictures from every season and

1421
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: seeing like you know, the Will Ferrell's and then um

1422
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 1: seeing like I don't know, there's so many um down

1423
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: the hallway and like the first cast and like seventy

1424
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: five having like Dan Ackroyd and Chevy Chase. It was

1425
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: so cool to see the history. And then you know,

1426
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: I'm I've just started like getting into Dirty Rock and it.

1427
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: Walking the hallways of SNL and like NBC Rockefeller, like

1428
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: it's just crazy to feel like you're in that show.

1429
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: And it's just yeah, like seeing Keenan walk by, you're like,

1430
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, like Bobby moynihan like doing the thank

1431
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: you at the end and like turning around and talking

1432
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: to the cast and you're like, you're Bobby moynahan. And

1433
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: then we went to the after party and it was

1434
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:06,759
Speaker 1: already so late, like way past my bedtime, and um.

1435
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: We went to the restaurant where it was at and

1436
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: we just like sort of formed our own party at

1437
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: the after party, like my friends and the band and stuff,

1438
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: and then we uh, We're like, oh crap, it's like

1439
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: four in the morning. We're like we need to go,

1440
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: and um, I was like, I'm gonna just check to

1441
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 1: see who's left in here, and it was Vanessa Bear,

1442
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: who was so cool, and then Lauren Michaels at four

1443
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: and I We've been running around the past two days,

1444
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: like at SNL that and the cast is everywhere, but

1445
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: I never saw Lauren, but everyone else in my camp did,

1446
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: like they were like, oh yeah, he's just always hanging out.

1447
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: He's watching every skit and um, I was like I haven't.

1448
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten a meet him yet. And I'm just

1449
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 1: a huge fan. He's just a legend. And so I

1450
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: was like, do I need to walk over? Like I'm

1451
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: gonna walk over. I'm just gonna do it. He's with

1452
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 1: his family, I think, and it's four am and he's

1453
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: still rocking at this after party and it's winding down obviously,

1454
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: but I go over and he sees me walking towards

1455
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: him and he's like, oh, hey, he's like a great

1456
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: job tonight. That was awesome, thank you for being here,

1457
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: and I said, well, thank you for having us. I mean,

1458
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: this is truly like we'll never forget this. This is

1459
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: been a dream on all of our bucket lists. And

1460
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 1: he was like, you live in Nashville, right, My daughter

1461
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,759
Speaker 1: goes to school there. And we just chatted for like

1462
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: a minute, and then I was like, I'll leave you

1463
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: back to your your dinner, but um, thank you for

1464
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: having us. And I walked out and I was like,

1465
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: I cannot believe the last person I saw in this

1466
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: place was Lorne Michaels. And but he's been doing the

1467
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: show for so long. That's their schedule except for a

1468
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 1: brief period of time. The whole time, like he started

1469
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: it and it came back, then when it went down,

1470
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: he came back. And he's used to just staying up

1471
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Speaker 1: that mare And it's good to have you. This has

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Speaker 1: been fun, but it's been fun for me. I have

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Speaker 1: a wall of people that I really root for it,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to keep them all up there,

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Speaker 1: but I have. I just noticed this Jansen and the

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Speaker 1: little big town guys and Passway and Keith and Kelsey

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Speaker 1: and on the bottom the latest one is a hero

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Speaker 1: a vinyl from New So So Cool. You always got

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Speaker 1: a friend. Well, I'm glad that we got to do this.

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Speaker 1: I've been wanting to for a while. You get too big.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get it, couldn't get you in glow trotting

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Speaker 1: all over the world. Congratulations on this was so fun.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Marion Morris. And buy the record and if

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Speaker 1: you hear this one, the next record is out. It's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Second record is amazing. I mean, if you're hearing this

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Speaker 1: then it trust me, it's just as good as an

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Speaker 1: European She finally did it, fantastic redid the Dinosaurs song

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Speaker 1: so episode thirty one. Gonna go Marion Morris and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you got next time. Thanks us