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Speaker 6: So we're going to start by talking about this across
Speaker 6: the board pause on student FEESUS that Marco, Rubio and
Speaker 6: Trump announced yesterday. Then we're going to get into the
Speaker 6: horrific debacle yesterday, the predictable debacle that was the attempt
Speaker 6: by this Israeli US quote unquote humanitarian organization to deliver aid.
Speaker 6: We'll talk about whether or not it was this was
Speaker 6: exactly as expected and intended, and what it means going forward.
Speaker 6: The images that came out of this are going to
Speaker 6: be indelible, I think, an indelible stain on the US
Speaker 6: and Israel's approach to the region. Kamala to Palestadians, Kamala
Speaker 6: Harris hit the speaking tour, but privately some of it leaked, Yeah, some.
Speaker 5: Of it leaked.
Speaker 3: Are fun.
Speaker 4: She was at the Australian real Estate conference getting paid presumably,
Speaker 4: so we have.
Speaker 6: Least no, no, that's a pro bono one for she just
Speaker 6: loves the Australian real estate industry.
Speaker 5: It's a deep passion of hers.
Speaker 3: Yes, who's not passionate about that.
Speaker 6: We cannot not talk about Jordan Peterson agreeing to be
Speaker 6: one Christian debating twenty like twenty year old atheists, perfect
Speaker 6: and emerging completely eviscerated.
Speaker 4: But also getting the video title changed. We'll get into
Speaker 4: all of it.
Speaker 3: You've lost a debate so badly they had to change
Speaker 3: the video title.
Speaker 4: It goes about as you would expect it to go.
Speaker 4: So we will have some really fun clips from that.
Speaker 4: And then we're going to be talking about Trump's pardoning
Speaker 4: spree over the last couple of days. Not only the
Speaker 4: Chrisly family, which was announced yesterday, so Todd and Julie
Speaker 4: Christly from the reality show Chrisly Knows Best. Trump said
Speaker 4: he was pardoning them yesterday in the Oval Office, but
Speaker 4: a couple of other pretty interesting pardons Ryan just in
Speaker 4: recent days, a sheriff and a nursing home executive.
Speaker 5: Looks a little suspicious, to say the least.
Speaker 6: And then we're going to be We're going to finish
Speaker 6: by interviewing an official from the energy industry, and not
Speaker 6: just the clean energy industry.
Speaker 3: This is the dirty energy industry.
Speaker 6: Although his company tries to make the dirty the fossil
Speaker 6: fuel industry a little bit cleaner. He's going to talk
Speaker 6: about the industries to react the energy industry across the
Speaker 6: board's reaction to Trump's big brutal bill, big beautiful bill,
Speaker 6: whatever you want to call it, brutal, big brutal bill,
Speaker 6: because it's not just clean energy that it takes a
Speaker 6: sledgehammer to the entire energy production infrastructure.
Speaker 3: Across the board.
Speaker 6: Is getting whacked by this bill to the point where
Speaker 6: Exon mobil is like, wait a minute, what are you
Speaker 6: doing this?
Speaker 3: This is really bad.
Speaker 4: And lastly, on that, speaking of the Big Beautiful Bill,
Speaker 4: Elon Musk is making an even we'll say harsher break with.
Speaker 5: Diversion, the trumpet illustration.
Speaker 4: He's going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this week,
Speaker 4: and so teasers that have been really least show him
Speaker 4: saying that he fleshes out his point about how the
Speaker 4: Big Beautiful spending bill undermines Doge. He's recently said he
Speaker 4: feels like the Trump administrations or that Doge became the
Speaker 4: Trump Administration's whipping boys.
Speaker 5: So we will have some updates on that front as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, kind of sad that the moment that Musk says
Speaker 6: something decent is also the moment that he's totally lost
Speaker 6: all his juice.
Speaker 5: You're about to buy more tuslas again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and long testlas all of a sudden.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: Well, let's start with the news about student visas. We
Speaker 4: can go ahead and rule this first element. Secretary of
Speaker 4: State Marco Rubio was in a cabinet meeting with President
Speaker 4: Trump yesterday and a cable had leaked saying that the
Speaker 4: administration was pausing student visas as it prepared a social
Speaker 4: media vetting system. And we've covered news about the social
Speaker 4: media vetting system here. You've probably seen this in the
Speaker 4: student visa controversies that you know, the administration was citing
Speaker 4: social media posts, but also was citing it's new efforts
Speaker 4: to do mass data scrapes for these social media posts.
Speaker 4: It appears that this is culminating in what is a
Speaker 4: it's said to be a temporary pause in all student visas.
Speaker 4: There are more than a million students on student visas
Speaker 4: as of this school year. So here Secretary of State
Speaker 4: Rubio explaining the policy yesterday at the White House.
Speaker 7: So when we identify lunatics like these, we take away
Speaker 7: their student visa. No one's entitled to a student visa.
Speaker 7: The press cover student visas like there's some sort of birthright. Now,
Speaker 7: a student visas like me inviting you into my home.
Speaker 7: If you come into my home and put all kinds
Speaker 7: of crap on my couch, I'm going to kick you
Speaker 7: out of my house. And so you know, that's what
Speaker 7: we're doing with our country thanks to the President.
Speaker 4: All right, Ryan, So again, more than a million students
Speaker 4: that are going to be affected, thirty percent of Harvard roughly.
Speaker 4: We have Trump talking about this as well, but we
Speaker 4: can put the tear sheet up on before we get
Speaker 4: to Trump.
Speaker 5: This is a two an Axios story on.
Speaker 4: The policy, but it is about thirty percent of Harvard students.
Speaker 4: Some schools have massive foreign student and populations for reasons
Speaker 4: we can get into. They can pay generally full tuition,
Speaker 4: so it's helpful on that front. But also we've long
Speaker 4: been a magnet, obviously for the world's top talent.
Speaker 5: American higher education has.
Speaker 4: Now people don't always stay here, but many do and
Speaker 4: a lot of you know, great American companies were founded
Speaker 4: through people who came here for school and state and
Speaker 4: then created some amazing stuff in the United States. Here's
Speaker 4: Donald Trump from over the weekend talking about student visas.
Speaker 5: This is a three.
Speaker 8: Part of the problem with Harvard is that they're about
Speaker 8: thirty one percent, almost thirty one percent of foreigners coming
Speaker 8: to Harvard. We give them billions of dollars, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 8: We do grants which are probably not going to be
Speaker 8: doing much grants anymore to Harvard, but there are thirty
Speaker 8: one percent, but they refuse to tell us who the
Speaker 8: people are. We want to know who the people. Now,
Speaker 8: a lot of the foreign students we wouldn't.
Speaker 5: Have a problem with.
Speaker 8: I'm not going to have a problem with forign students,
Speaker 8: but it shouldn't be thirty one percent. There's too much
Speaker 8: because we have Americans that want to go there and
Speaker 8: the places, and they can't go there because you get
Speaker 8: thirty one percent foreign Now, no foreign government contributes money
Speaker 8: to Harvard.
Speaker 9: We do, so why are they doing so many?
Speaker 5: Number one?
Speaker 8: Number two, we want a list of those foreign students
Speaker 8: and we'll find out whether or not they're okay.
Speaker 5: Many will be okay.
Speaker 8: I assume, and I assume with Harvard many will be read.
Speaker 4: And lastly, let's past this clip of an international student
Speaker 4: at Harvard discussing the climate for international students.
Speaker 10: Right now, there are very few international students who are
Speaker 10: even willing to speak to the media who are willing to,
Speaker 10: you know, just posted something on social media or participate
Speaker 10: at a protest, because we've seen people have had their visas.
Speaker 10: We vote for that reason, but also some examples of
Speaker 10: students who have been snatched off the street and put
Speaker 10: in detention centers in Louisiana. What the Trump administration is
Speaker 10: doing right now is a full scale attack on free
Speaker 10: speech in this country, and you know, we simply have
Speaker 10: to resist it, and we have to fight it with
Speaker 10: whatever it means possible.
Speaker 11: Given that climate that you describe and the persecution of
Speaker 11: some universities, would you feel confident would you be allowed
Speaker 11: to go on and maybe study a post doctoral at
Speaker 11: another university?
Speaker 10: I mean, I honestly don't know. I'm very happy that
Speaker 10: I've made a decision to leave the country and that
Speaker 10: I don't have to live with this uncertainty, and I
Speaker 10: know that's how many international students are feeling right now.
Speaker 11: So what would be your advice for people who might
Speaker 11: be watching you were thinking about a degree in the
Speaker 11: United States.
Speaker 10: I think it's incredibly hard because I've had such a
Speaker 10: great experience here and these have been the best four
Speaker 10: years of my life. So it would break my heart
Speaker 10: to tell anyone to not apply to Harvard or any
Speaker 10: other institution in the US. But frankly, I do understand
Speaker 10: that people I think twice about coming here, because why
Speaker 10: would you apply to a university in America if you
Speaker 10: don't even know whether you will be able to finish
Speaker 10: your degree, if you can't study what you want, if
Speaker 10: you can't speak out about political issues because you're afraid
Speaker 10: that you might be put in at detention center and deported,
Speaker 10: then I truly understand why people are worried.
Speaker 4: So the Trump comments, and that comes from that student,
Speaker 4: came in response to, obviously the administration's decision to prevent
Speaker 4: Harvard from accepting foreign students period that happened.
Speaker 5: We covered that on last Friday Show.
Speaker 4: But that was a decision that came last week from
Speaker 4: Christy Nome technically because DHS oversees a vetting process and
Speaker 4: they say Harvard is not complying with the vetting process,
Speaker 4: and then made a list of pretty wild demands, intentionally
Speaker 4: wild demands that Harvard wouldn't be able to meet about
Speaker 4: foreign students, and Harvard obtained a restraining order in court
Speaker 4: shortly after the administration came down with that decision.
Speaker 5: So Ryan. Right now, we don't have a lot.
Speaker 4: Of details about what this would look like, but it
Speaker 4: almost certainly is about Israel, because that's everything I've seen
Speaker 4: so far, the vetting Rubio.
Speaker 6: Rubio was putting it in the same framework. Yes that look,
Speaker 6: it's a privilege to come here as a student. But
Speaker 6: basically he's saying, if you're going to protest Israel and
Speaker 6: we don't want then we don't want you in the
Speaker 6: in the country. Now that the thing he said right
Speaker 6: after that clip, He's like, like my wife and I
Speaker 6: want to announce something. What he says is he's just
Speaker 6: so proud that University of Florida's basketball team won a championship.
Speaker 6: Two of their five starters are on student visas, one
Speaker 6: from Nigeria, one from Australia. The Australian is it's pulled
Speaker 6: himself out of the NBA Draft. It's going to look
Speaker 6: Alex Connon is going to go back to Florida, he said,
Speaker 6: Now maybe he won't. He's all right, forget it. I
Speaker 6: guess I'm going to go mail. I'll play in the NBA.
Speaker 6: If I'm not welcome here, I guess I'll go play
Speaker 6: in another professional basketball league.
Speaker 3: Somewhere else and make much less money though.
Speaker 4: Either that all of the athletes first and be like
Speaker 4: green light, you guys are fine, or they will just
Speaker 4: not even ever look at the athletes social media.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, joe El Embiid, you know he's you know,
Speaker 6: he's from Africa at some French citizenship. The French wanted
Speaker 6: him to play the Olympics for them, but he wouldn't
Speaker 6: because he didn't like France's kind of colonial approach to Africa?
Speaker 3: Are we okay with that? Like tell us what tell
Speaker 3: us what you're allowed to say about foreign countries?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: And we have no idea how they are.
Speaker 6: You can criticize France, right, I assume, oh, they're a
Speaker 6: very close ally of ours. But you so you can
Speaker 6: just make a list what are the countries you can't
Speaker 6: criticize because you can criticize the United States?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: That's okay? Is and it is it Israel and d
Speaker 3: or is it just Israel?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Why don't we have Israel do the vetting?
Speaker 6: Like why are US taxpayers funding all of the kind
Speaker 6: of social media research to find out if these seventeen
Speaker 6: year old said anything positive about Palestinians When it's for
Speaker 6: the benefit of Israel. Israel has all of this cyber tech.
Speaker 6: Just let just let Israel run our state department and
Speaker 6: run our DHS, like, and they can tell us who's
Speaker 6: allowed to come in the country. Like, why are we
Speaker 6: paying for that? It's we send them. We'll send them
Speaker 6: money anyway, So I guess we're still paying for it.
Speaker 6: Never mind, I thought I was trying to help us.
Speaker 6: I can't figure it out.
Speaker 4: It's like in theory, I actually am not at all
Speaker 4: opposed the idea.
Speaker 6: I mean, so what this is of the US vetting
Speaker 6: its students based on what they think about Israel.
Speaker 5: No, I'm very opposed to that.
Speaker 3: I'm not no, no, no.
Speaker 4: In theory, I'm not opposed to the idea of saying, okay,
Speaker 4: we should have a social media check of whether or
Speaker 4: not people are openly saying like Chrystal and I interviewed
Speaker 4: this guy, Mama Dutal from Ornell and if he went
Speaker 4: and went back and looked at his social media as
Speaker 4: he was applying, he was talking about how awful the
Speaker 4: American Empire is, et cetera, et cetera. And but fine,
Speaker 4: that's a perfectly fair free speech argument to make. But
Speaker 4: is that someone you prioritize over another person who maybe actually.
Speaker 5: Loves the United States, wants the United States to.
Speaker 4: Be better and is like deeply passionate about are a
Speaker 4: lot of people like that, and a lot of them
Speaker 4: come over on student feesas and have great lives and
Speaker 4: productive lives in the United States of America and do
Speaker 4: make the country better. So I don't I'm not like
Speaker 4: in theory a posts. So maybe we should be checking
Speaker 4: what people who have social media are saying in the context.
Speaker 5: But what we have zero idea.
Speaker 4: From the State Department right now about what they're looking for.
Speaker 4: And our best guest, our best guest, based on the
Speaker 4: framing that Secretary Rubio adopted, as you said there, Ryan,
Speaker 4: and how they've been doing this so far, is that
Speaker 4: they're looking for op eds like the mesa Os turks
Speaker 4: op ed for the tough student newspaper that was promoting
Speaker 4: a BDS policy at.
Speaker 3: Her school which passed like the Senate.
Speaker 6: It was so Romesa wrote was one of four authors
Speaker 6: supporting a Senate campus Senate resolution that said something about Israel,
Speaker 6: which passed like And I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 6: been involved with like student governance like to get some like, yeah,
Speaker 6: they're to the left of the average, like town council.
Speaker 6: But to get them all together to agree to a resolution,
Speaker 6: it's not going to be like fire and brimstone. And
Speaker 6: so she was the op ed that she got jailed
Speaker 6: for passed the student Senate. It passed anyway, completely ridiculous.
Speaker 6: So what else on this, Well, we don't know.
Speaker 4: That's the other thing is we don't know how temporary
Speaker 4: the pause is because as we're sitting here right now,
Speaker 4: this could apply to millions of people for years to come.
Speaker 4: It could last a month, and that's the thing with
Speaker 4: the Trump administration. It could last a month, and it
Speaker 4: could be screening for like in theory, it could last
Speaker 4: a month, and it could be screening for genuine terrorists
Speaker 4: or loss sympathety, yeah, which they should be doing. Or
Speaker 4: or it could be treating people like the administration treated
Speaker 4: is osterk And we really don't know, and it could
Speaker 4: be doing that indefinitely because right now it's his temporary pause.
Speaker 4: So this could mean the next three years of the
Speaker 4: Trump administration there's a de facto ban on student.
Speaker 5: Visas, or it could mean a month from now.
Speaker 4: They have their social media policies in place, and they're
Speaker 4: stringently applying them and you know, screening for people who
Speaker 4: are pro Palestine, but it's not a de facto ban
Speaker 4: for the next three years. It's hard to say, but
Speaker 4: given how they've handled cases like Ousters, they.
Speaker 5: Don't really get the benefit of the doubt on them.
Speaker 6: Let's take Trump's argument, and this might be something that
Speaker 6: we disagree on. You know, he says the problem here
Speaker 6: is that you know, the taxpayers fund these universities, and
Speaker 6: the American taxpayers then aren't able to benefit fully from
Speaker 6: these universities because they are taking in x percentage of
Speaker 6: What I would say is, you know a couple things
Speaker 6: on this. First, if his issue is actually accessed to
Speaker 6: colleges and universities. One, something like more than a dozen
Speaker 6: colleges and universities went under last year and the year before,
Speaker 6: and we're in a crisis of colleges and universities going under,
Speaker 6: like they're going bankrupt, so there's fewer places for people
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 5: Your alma mater struggles with that.
Speaker 6: Saint Mary's College of Maryland, they're doing okay. I mean,
Speaker 6: they're a state school. A lot of the it's more
Speaker 6: private universities like the smaller private universities are going.
Speaker 5: Under even state schools are having enrollment.
Speaker 6: Yes, and there's an enrollment problem because of birth rates
Speaker 6: like there was, there's a baby bust that is now
Speaker 6: starting to move in to university.
Speaker 3: So it's it's causing a huge problem for them.
Speaker 6: And now you're going to say that, let's say foreign
Speaker 6: students can't come either. On the question of the taxpayer funding, yes,
Speaker 6: like taxpayers are funding these colleges and universities.
Speaker 3: Harvard gets a lot of money.
Speaker 6: The money that the Trump administration is cutting off from
Speaker 6: Harvard is specifically earmarked for grants and research because it
Speaker 6: is one of the great research universities in the history
Speaker 6: of the world, four hundred year old university. It produces
Speaker 6: research in all varieties of fields that is then beneficial
Speaker 6: to the entire world. So it's not that we are
Speaker 6: subsidizing the foreign students tuition.
Speaker 3: It's the opposite.
Speaker 6: The foreign students, for the most part, are coming with
Speaker 6: grants from their home countries. So it's not true that
Speaker 6: no foreign countries are funding Harvard, because there are grants coming.
Speaker 5: From these subsidizing tuition.
Speaker 6: Subsidizing tuition here, or these are the wealthier kids from
Speaker 6: around the world.
Speaker 3: Who are paying the sticker price at Harvard.
Speaker 4: Which is often not meritocratic to be fair, I mean,
Speaker 4: a lot of those kids are buying their way into this.
Speaker 3: Same with the American kids who get yeah there.
Speaker 4: But it does undermine the argument that everyone who's coming
Speaker 4: from and I just said this because I do believe
Speaker 4: this to be true, but that we're a magnet for
Speaker 4: the top, top, top talent. Sometimes there are foreign students
Speaker 4: who are buying their seats at these universities too.
Speaker 3: Right, But that's our system.
Speaker 6: We are not a meritocracy, like we are a place
Speaker 6: where you can buy your way to the top.
Speaker 5: Although we're more of a meritography. We can say we're
Speaker 5: a meritocracy. I mean it's it's a lot worse elsewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Maybe in any event, they're they're not morods, Like you
Speaker 6: have to pass a certain threshold and lots of these
Speaker 6: lots of people passed a certain threshold. And then yeah,
Speaker 6: a lot of these foreign students are are they're gonna
Speaker 6: they're gonna pay the full freight, They're going to subsidize it.
Speaker 6: So I would also let's say, let's take Disney World,
Speaker 6: for example, gets enormous amounts of tax paramoney enormous. In fact,
Speaker 6: De Santas tried to take someone look what happened to him.
Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, we actually he won that the Ready
Speaker 4: Creek thing, and.
Speaker 6: Not really and they still get enormous amounts of tax breaks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's absolutely true.
Speaker 6: When you go to disney World or Disneyland, you're going
Speaker 6: to see enormous numbers of foreigners there. It is annoying
Speaker 6: to stand in long lines and a lot of the
Speaker 6: people in front of you in the line are foreign.
Speaker 6: So wouldn't it make just as much sense, by which
Speaker 6: I mean zero sense at all for Donald Trump to
Speaker 6: say Americans pay to support disney World and so therefore
Speaker 6: Americans should be the only ones that get to go
Speaker 6: to Disney World. That's where his logic takes you. And
Speaker 6: you might be watching this and be like, yeah, that's fair,
Speaker 6: I agree with it. If so, you are a moron
Speaker 6: like that's crazy, because what you are saying is that
Speaker 6: we should not be a great country. We should not
Speaker 6: be a country that people want to come to. We
Speaker 6: should be a country where if you're a very good
Speaker 6: basketball player, you hope that you get recruited and go
Speaker 6: to Lithuania rather than being a great Lithuanian player and
Speaker 6: get recruited and come to the United States. You are
Speaker 6: welcome to be one of those countries. You can be
Speaker 6: an average or below average country where people want to leave.
Speaker 6: That's a choice that is available to the United States,
Speaker 6: which is currently heading towards that on purpose. So congratulations,
Speaker 6: you can have shorter lines at Disney World. But just
Speaker 6: play that out. What's going to happen.
Speaker 4: So maybe we do disagree a little bit because I
Speaker 4: think there's a long overdue renegotiation of the relationship between
Speaker 4: the federal government and higher education. And maybe this is
Speaker 4: actually more of a middle ground than a disagreement, because
Speaker 4: I don't agree with all the particulars of how it
Speaker 4: could play out. I don't know how they actually intend
Speaker 4: to play it out. And that's a problem with a
Speaker 4: lot of their policies, is that they're intentionally messing around.
Speaker 6: Like yeah, And the thing that makes me angry is
Speaker 6: that they have me sitting here defending Harvard. Like if
Speaker 6: they want to take three billion dollars away from Harvard
Speaker 6: for its research grants and give it to the fifty
Speaker 6: state schools, like the flagship states schools around the country,
Speaker 6: be my guest, please do that would be amazing.
Speaker 3: You know, screw Harvard. I'm not here defending Harvard.
Speaker 6: The idea that you're going to take that money out
Speaker 6: and then you're going to do a seven point five
Speaker 6: trillion dollar tax cut for the rich like that is suicidal.
Speaker 4: Well, they're also doing endowment taxes that have higher education
Speaker 4: freaked out.
Speaker 5: So Harvard is.
Speaker 4: A fifty billion dollar endowment and their money is absolutely fungible.
Speaker 4: And I do think that a lot of these schools
Speaker 4: coast off. The largest of.
Speaker 6: Taxing dollary gives the University of Michigan, Wisconsin, tradeskab College
Speaker 6: of Maryland.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, you're right with the trade schools.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which is something that Trump sort of was
Speaker 4: trolling with Harvard as well.
Speaker 6: But to destroy Harvard just so you can do tax
Speaker 6: cuts is suicidal. Or just to destroy it just to
Speaker 6: destroy it for the sake of Israeli uh propaganda.
Speaker 4: Hell right, for the sake of like our Middle East policy,
Speaker 4: whatever that is according to them and according to him
Speaker 4: ever takes over. By the way, which is part of
Speaker 4: the that the Obama administration was seen as egregeous by
Speaker 4: conservatives is that they were using the strings attached to
Speaker 4: federal funding to coerce different policies out of Title nine.
Speaker 4: And it was just happened in dear colleague letters, so
Speaker 4: like little missives from the Secretary of Education that could
Speaker 4: be fired off at a moment's notice, And Conservatives were
Speaker 4: really opposed to doing that because it was this expansion
Speaker 4: of Title nine policy from Washington, DC that affected every
Speaker 4: different school. So I think there's some of that to
Speaker 4: be opposed to and to not have double standards. I
Speaker 4: think absolutely there's some of that going on here. I do, though,
Speaker 4: generally think some of this money is the same way
Speaker 4: I feel about a lot of the cabinet agencies. I
Speaker 4: do think if you're there are strings attached to public money.
Speaker 4: And I don't have a problem with the duly elected
Speaker 4: president and his administration saying that there are strings attached
Speaker 4: to the money. But they should also realize that it's
Speaker 4: a mutually beneficial arrangement for a reason. And the mutually
Speaker 4: beneficial part of that still Harvard acting badly doesn't mean
Speaker 4: the entire arrangement is a disaster in and of itself.
Speaker 6: And what's their big complaint that they did that they
Speaker 6: didn't arrest more student protesters.
Speaker 3: I mean not that it depends on your four hundred
Speaker 3: year old university, right, It.
Speaker 4: Depends on who you're talking to. I mean, if you're
Speaker 4: talking to Alan Dershowitz, that's probably it.
Speaker 6: If they did a three hundred page report, there was
Speaker 6: somebody who said that, you know, once they were posting
Speaker 6: on Instagram that they were supportive of Israel, some of
Speaker 6: their friends ghosted them like that, like that that type
Speaker 6: of complaint and that literal complaint like made it into
Speaker 6: this like report on anti Semitism. And so if we
Speaker 6: just pull enough research grants from Harvard, like we will
Speaker 6: you know, pressure people to go on walks with their
Speaker 6: friends who support genocide. Like like, hey, look, you said
Speaker 6: you would go on a walk Tuesday morning, and I
Speaker 6: showed up. You weren't even there. I just had to
Speaker 6: walk by myself.
Speaker 5: I think it.
Speaker 4: Depends what you're talking to. For some people, they would
Speaker 4: basically be in that camp as.
Speaker 6: You just spont to whoever you ghosted your friends, Now
Speaker 6: you destroyed Harvard, well done.
Speaker 3: All you had to do was just like not talk
Speaker 3: about the genocide.
Speaker 5: On the other hand, that's.
Speaker 6: What they were trying to do, by the way, just
Speaker 6: not talking with the genocide bid, like just being like,
Speaker 6: you know what, this is your thing. You support this,
Speaker 6: I don't, So let's just not be friends. That is
Speaker 6: apparently bigotry. I mean that needs the state to intervene.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean I could go to well.
Speaker 3: Trump will not countenance such ghosting.
Speaker 5: He would never treat a friend.
Speaker 3: No, he would not.
Speaker 5: But it depends what you're talking to you.
Speaker 4: If you're talking to some people, then yes they would
Speaker 4: say something along those lines. You're talking to other people,
Speaker 4: they would cite Aaron Sibarium's, you know, a couple of
Speaker 4: year record of excellent reporting on how Harvard's DEI policies
Speaker 4: have genuinely eroded what was already in a roded system
Speaker 4: of meritocracy at Harvard.
Speaker 5: And there's some really legitimate stuff to.
Speaker 4: Take issue with their This is if this is the
Speaker 4: pressure campaign lasts for a week, then it lasts for
Speaker 4: a week. If this lasts for three years and is
Speaker 4: an indefinite pause on student visas not just at Harvard
Speaker 4: but basically everywhere, I mean legally, except.
Speaker 6: Just replacing DEI with one marginalized group, yes, supporters of Israel,
Speaker 6: not even Jewish students. Because if you're a Jewish student
Speaker 6: who opposes the genocide, then you are bad and big
Speaker 6: at it at.
Speaker 3: H the only so it's de i.
Speaker 6: But for supporters of Israel, unapologetic supporters of.
Speaker 5: Israel, we'll see how it's implemented.
Speaker 4: Many such cases, as Donald Trump would say about his
Speaker 4: early policies. In fact, a Financial Times columnist, did you
Speaker 4: see this coin to the term taco. Trump always chickens
Speaker 4: out on on tariffs, and it's just these policies. It's
Speaker 4: the Jackson Pollock approach to guidence. You just actually he's
Speaker 4: making this, you know, mess and hoping that it turns
Speaker 4: out right.
Speaker 6: This briefing that Rubio or Rubio is going on about
Speaker 6: this coming as Trump was chickening out on European.
Speaker 4: Literally yes, in the middle of the cabinet meeting where he.
Speaker 5: Backed off the fifty percent.
Speaker 3: Ran.
Speaker 4: Let's move on to Gaza. A lot of updates from
Speaker 4: the Middle East. Let's start by playing b One and Ryan.
Speaker 4: Maybe you can describe a little bit of what we're
Speaker 4: seeing on the screen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So this organization absurdly named the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation,
Speaker 6: which is which according to the Arii Lipede. You know,
Speaker 6: foreign Prime Minister of Israel is funded by Israel. It's
Speaker 6: a kind of a joint the US Israeli organization which
Speaker 6: is trying to supplant Unrede, the World Food Program and
Speaker 6: all the other humanitarian aid organizations that bring in assistance.
Speaker 6: What they did is they flipped delivery of humanitarian aid
Speaker 6: on its head, like the way that the established organizations
Speaker 6: do it to make sure that they don't get food
Speaker 6: riots is that you need to kind of you need
Speaker 6: to flood the area with aid, and you need to
Speaker 6: have it decentralized at lots of different places, and you
Speaker 6: need to have it near where people are so that
Speaker 6: it's as convenient as possible and you have as short
Speaker 6: lines as possible, because you don't want hundreds or thousands
Speaker 6: or tens of thousands.
Speaker 3: Is definitely not hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 6: Of people who are haven't eaten for long stort and
Speaker 6: an had a good meal probably in twenty months. You
Speaker 6: don't want them all congregating around this one particular area.
Speaker 6: But the GHF is not designed to efficiently distribute humanitarian aid.
Speaker 6: Its design is explicitly for depopulating Northern Gaza. Like Yahoo
Speaker 6: has set out loud that the goal of this organization
Speaker 6: is to entice Palestinians into the south of Gaza into
Speaker 6: particular areas where they have to then present their ideas
Speaker 6: and lead their homes, at which point they will not
Speaker 6: be allowed to return to their homes. Like he has
Speaker 6: said this out loud, this is not leaked audio. Like
Speaker 6: he's been very clear that that's the goal of this.
Speaker 6: So therefore they set up just four distribution centers for
Speaker 6: two million people who haven't you know, had aid distributed
Speaker 6: since March second, and they set up you saw that.
Speaker 6: You saw that zigzag barbed wire fence.
Speaker 3: They set that.
Speaker 6: They set that like corral up as as their way
Speaker 6: because they understood that there would be large desperate crowds there.
Speaker 6: Of course, that did not hold people back. People had
Speaker 6: to walk ten fifteen kilometers to get to this place
Speaker 6: as well, which immediately means who are you going to
Speaker 6: get like the people who are in the best possible shape,
Speaker 6: not great shape, but the best possible shape. If you're
Speaker 6: desperately malnourished, you can't walk fifteen kilometers through the sun
Speaker 6: to get to this place. And so then so the
Speaker 6: desert people broke through the fence. Apache hell, as you
Speaker 6: saw in the video, there a patchy helicopters.
Speaker 3: Like start firing on the crowd.
Speaker 6: Nobody was killed, thankfully, but it was it was a
Speaker 6: complete catastrophe.
Speaker 3: Then what people got.
Speaker 6: Were these little boxes that had flour, dried pasta, and
Speaker 6: some dried beans.
Speaker 3: Now think about that.
Speaker 6: What it's better than having nothing in your hands, but
Speaker 6: what do you need to take that to something edible
Speaker 6: like water and an energy source which you're also extremely
Speaker 6: hard to come by. Deliberately so, humanitarian aid organizations were
Speaker 6: saying this is deeply inappropriate, Like this is not the
Speaker 6: thing you would give to malnourished people. First of all,
Speaker 6: it's not the kind of nourishment that you need. Like
Speaker 6: there are very particular types of food packages that you
Speaker 6: could give to people who haven't had a decent meal
Speaker 6: for two months and that that need to recover their
Speaker 6: health a little bit pasta, beans and rice and like that.
Speaker 6: That's that's not it. And you don't want to give
Speaker 6: somebody something that needs to be cooked with clean water
Speaker 6: and heat if they don't have clean water and heat.
Speaker 6: Of course, though that that assumes that any of this
Speaker 6: is on the up and up, which they have acknowledged
Speaker 6: it is not. It is about at the cleansing is
Speaker 6: about It's about deepop It's about depopulism. Depopulation, uh, the
Speaker 6: other concern that Palestinians had and which was born out immediately.
Speaker 6: It is reported by my colleague Jeremy Scalhegn put this
Speaker 6: third element up on the screen. This is a statement
Speaker 6: from Aamawi who from the Gaza relief committees where he's
Speaker 6: if if you're watching this, you can pause and read it.
Speaker 6: But basically what he's describing is that is is the situation,
Speaker 6: uh that I just described. Amawi also reported and these
Speaker 6: are the details of it. Amawi also reported that there
Speaker 6: are reports of people and they were directly involved with this,
Speaker 6: who went to get.
Speaker 3: The aid, you know, to give their idea run.
Speaker 6: Their name gets run through there and the guy gets snatched.
Speaker 3: A family then gets a phone call.
Speaker 6: From this guy saying I've been snatched. They they want
Speaker 6: me to ask you. This is so now we're two
Speaker 6: degrees of separation away. They want me to ask you
Speaker 6: about this other person that they're asking about that's a
Speaker 6: member of this other families you know out outer orbit,
Speaker 6: they said, and they say, and they tell them like,
Speaker 6: we haven't seen this guy since the beginning of this war.
Speaker 6: Now Presumably this is somebody that Israel's looking for. Presume
Speaker 6: like let's say somebody in Hamas or a fighter or
Speaker 6: some other resistance group. Like that's the assumption, because you know,
Speaker 6: you can't find the guy, you ask his relatives, can't
Speaker 6: find the relatives, you ask the relatives friends, and then
Speaker 6: so there, so they snatched the guy, extored him, uh,
Speaker 6: just to try to find somebody three or four degrees
Speaker 6: removed from him.
Speaker 3: And he's like, that's all I can do.
Speaker 6: Like they said, they haven't seen him, you know, in
Speaker 6: this long and they're on the phone with him. They're like, Okay,
Speaker 6: come with us, and they just arrest him and detain.
Speaker 6: You know, we don't know if he's still alive. We
Speaker 6: don't know if he if he's if he's been tortured,
Speaker 6: or what kind of abuse he's suffered at their hands.
Speaker 6: And this is violates one of the top principles of
Speaker 6: a humanitarian aid organization, which is neutrality, that the aid
Speaker 6: is not a weapon in pursuit of like Hamas figures
Speaker 6: who are three or four degrees connected.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know who they were looking for.
Speaker 6: We don't know, but let's assume it was that like,
Speaker 6: that's not what an aid organization is supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4: And so this has exploded predictably into an international controversy.
Speaker 5: Ongoing international controversy. Let's roll. I'm going to skip ahead
Speaker 5: here to be five.
Speaker 4: This is a clip of Press Secretary for the State's Department,
Speaker 4: Tammy Bruce, responding to questions yesterday.
Speaker 12: The world has been shocked by what's happened in Gaza
Speaker 12: over the past few days.
Speaker 3: The silhouette of the little girl.
Speaker 13: Well, I said, it's been obviously, it's been shocked over
Speaker 13: generations about what you absolutely and that Jamas certainly is
Speaker 13: refused to stop that violence.
Speaker 14: But go ahead.
Speaker 12: So but just in the past few days, we've seen
Speaker 12: the silhouette of a little girl trying to flee burning
Speaker 12: classrooms surrounding her, killing people around her. We've seen thousands
Speaker 12: of Palestinians starved by Israel's blockade, heard it between fences
Speaker 12: as they try to get fed. Today thousand excuse me,
Speaker 12: a doctor who'saw nine of her children killed by Israeli bombs.
Speaker 12: All the while this administration, of course, as we've has
Speaker 12: talked to deport students who protest this, including one student
Speaker 12: who wrote.
Speaker 3: An op ed against this kind of behavior.
Speaker 12: The administration came in telling Americans it would be more
Speaker 12: pro peice, more anti war.
Speaker 14: And this is beginning to sound like a soliloquy. Sir,
Speaker 14: do you have a question, please please, I'm curious.
Speaker 13: Yes, I have this very serious issue, and everyone has
Speaker 13: your question.
Speaker 14: Yes, yes, I ask it.
Speaker 12: I wonder how you see this administration being more pro
Speaker 12: piece or more anti war than the previous administration given
Speaker 12: these kinds of horrors that Americans are witnessing.
Speaker 13: Yes, well, you know it is a dynamic. Whereas I
Speaker 13: also just mentioned a little bit ago, we did achieve
Speaker 13: a ceasefire, something which nobody thought would be possible after
Speaker 13: the heinousness of October seventh, the nature of what had
Speaker 13: occurred on that day, the fact that there has to
Speaker 13: be a new way. The President has stated, we have
Speaker 13: to have new ideas to make a difference so this
Speaker 13: stops and doesn't go from generation to generation. What we've
Speaker 13: got here is, after I don't know what has it
Speaker 13: been three months a bit over one hundred days of
Speaker 13: President Trump managing to get I think every warring party,
Speaker 13: every hostile party against other people on this planet to
Speaker 13: a table to stop now that's the simple part. Making
Speaker 13: things happen and making it last is another thing.
Speaker 14: Hamas.
Speaker 13: We did have a ceasefire, and then Hamas decided once
Speaker 13: again that that was just not going to do and
Speaker 13: they can and you to do what they do.
Speaker 5: Ran, I think you wanted to toss to another club.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, Andrew Mitchell lacing it up has been going to
Speaker 6: the State Department press briefings, she asked. She asked a
Speaker 6: question about this aid delivery mechanism as well, like why
Speaker 6: are you using this when you've got Sidney McCain for
Speaker 6: the World Froot program doing, You've got the un You've
Speaker 6: got plenty of people who could do this. Why are you, like,
Speaker 6: what are you even doing here? And she elicited a
Speaker 6: fascinating response from Tammy Brucelett.
Speaker 3: We can roll B six B here.
Speaker 13: There's certainly and this is something the world is watching,
Speaker 13: something we've all cared about getting resolved. It is not
Speaker 13: an uncomplicated situation. This is, however, the first delivery of
Speaker 13: major aid, if not the only aid we've been hearing
Speaker 13: for months.
Speaker 14: I wish that Cindy McCain had spoken up that.
Speaker 13: They had found a way to move food into gossip
Speaker 13: because that certainly hadn't been conveyed to us.
Speaker 14: But now, which if that's the case, that's great.
Speaker 13: What I do know is that the people on the
Speaker 13: ground now as we're as the number I told you
Speaker 13: I think is rather significant, four hundred and.
Speaker 14: Sixty two thousand meals. That's what we're focused on.
Speaker 13: And this is and I'm not going to address either
Speaker 13: gossip or complaints or people who knew or weren't included
Speaker 13: or would do it a different way, or.
Speaker 14: Who's shooting at whom that Hamah, It's not the real
Speaker 14: story here. The story is that aid.
Speaker 13: And food is moving into Gaza at a massive scale.
Speaker 13: At this point when you're looking at eight thousand food boxes,
Speaker 13: was this going to be like going.
Speaker 14: To the mall or through a drive through?
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 13: This is a complicated environment and the story is the
Speaker 13: fact that it's working. I find it difficult that there
Speaker 13: are people who would go on television shows to complain
Speaker 13: about a process that is working and moving food into
Speaker 13: the area.
Speaker 6: So the idea that it was a mystery that the
Speaker 6: World Program had found a way into get to get
Speaker 6: food into gas is absurd. Like the everybody has been
Speaker 6: witnessing that for up until March.
Speaker 3: Second, when it Israel blocked it.
Speaker 6: The argument that Israel makes publicly is that, well, Hamas
Speaker 6: is stealing the aid. The whole reason that we have
Speaker 6: to blow up the entire system of humanitarian aid delivery
Speaker 6: and GAZ is that Hamas was stealing it. And we
Speaker 6: have no obligation to give aid to Hamas just to
Speaker 6: use against us and sell on the black market. So
Speaker 6: that's that's the argument they make publicly. So let's let
Speaker 6: David Saderfield respond to that. So David Satterfield was the
Speaker 6: Biden administration official who was responsible for humanitarian overseeing humanitarian
Speaker 6: aid and negotiating negotiating with the Israelis over that. According
Speaker 6: to people in the State Department that I talked to,
Speaker 6: like Satterfield almost never pushed back on the Israelis, Like
Speaker 6: he was a very very sympathetic figure. In two thousand
Speaker 6: and five, then you guys can google this, U Sadderfield
Speaker 6: wasn't was listed in an indictment for leaking this is
Speaker 6: under the Bush administration for leaking classified information to a
Speaker 6: pack and two and to uh you can look it
Speaker 6: up like to this. Then a Pack was linked up
Speaker 6: with Israel, so it wasn't just to a pack, but
Speaker 6: it was classified information. Uh so this is now. He
Speaker 6: was never officially charged, he was never charged, and he
Speaker 6: did and he defended. He said what I what I
Speaker 6: did was above board and it was not a crime.
Speaker 6: The point here this is somebody who is close enough
Speaker 6: to Israel that it was listed in a two thousand
Speaker 6: and five indictment for having leaked classified information to Israel.
Speaker 6: So this is not something In other words, this is
Speaker 6: not a Hamas sympathizer. This is not even one of
Speaker 6: these eight department officials who you'd call like an arabist,
Speaker 6: which are mostly all gone from the State Department. So
Speaker 6: that's the context I want you to have when you
Speaker 6: listen to Sadderfield get asked the question is Hamas? Is
Speaker 6: there any evidence that Hamas is stealing the AID? So
Speaker 6: let's roll B six.
Speaker 16: Hamas was stealing, profiting and diverting the majority of the
Speaker 16: AID that was coming in. That that is Israel's claim.
Speaker 16: How do you respond to that?
Speaker 9: No such allegation or evidence in support of allegations like
Speaker 9: that were ever provided privately by informed Israeli security or
Speaker 9: political officials. It is a claim which on the face
Speaker 9: of it is not reflected in any of the experience
Speaker 9: that those involved in the humanitarian effort have seen. Did
Speaker 9: ham US benefit politically from its presence at distribution sites
Speaker 9: to reinforce to the population of Gaza that they remained
Speaker 9: effective and in place. Certainly they did. Did HAMAS take
Speaker 9: some assistance, quite likely, but from the UN and INGO channels,
Speaker 9: which were highly accountable. Whatever aid was ultimately diverted in
Speaker 9: any fashion by Hamas was minimal compared to the aid
Speaker 9: that was received by the general population. Now, the same
Speaker 9: can't be said about aid that came in outside UN
Speaker 9: or international NGO channels. That's a different matter. In Israel
Speaker 9: understands that. But we're speaking now of the UN. The
Speaker 9: allegations that the majority I've heard some claims all of
Speaker 9: the assistants was seized by Hamas. That has never been
Speaker 9: made privately to officials involved in this process, nor demonstrated
Speaker 9: through evidence.
Speaker 6: What's so fascinating to me about that answer is he's
Speaker 6: not saying they never provided evidence that Hamas was stealing
Speaker 6: the aid privately. They never even made that claim. In
Speaker 6: other words, they know it's not true. They say it
Speaker 6: publicly because idiots on X will repeat it. But privately
Speaker 6: when they're talking to other state department officials in their
Speaker 6: counterparts in the in the like relief world. They don't
Speaker 6: even claim it, let alone provide evidence for it.
Speaker 4: Well, I thought it was helpful nuance when he said,
Speaker 4: because he himself wasn't saying that no AID has ever
Speaker 4: been diverted or sure like Hamas just executed four people
Speaker 4: under the like Reuter says, this st this morning, and
Speaker 4: they did it a few weeks ago as well, for
Speaker 4: diverting AID, right, which is like, that's what.
Speaker 6: Israel backed gangs that are like looting drugs and then
Speaker 6: Hamas is going back after them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite an upside out.
Speaker 4: World, but it's helpful nuance of what he's saying is
Speaker 4: that it's minimal whatever is being diverted.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 3: The Hamas has tens of thousands of fighters.
Speaker 6: People are starving in the last nineteen months, those fighters
Speaker 6: have eaten yep, some with some of that food that
Speaker 6: came in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, no doubt like he's saying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But the the accusation made broadly is that they
Speaker 6: take the aid, they take it all, and then they
Speaker 6: sell it back into the black market at exorbitant prices
Speaker 6: and then they use that money to then fund their
Speaker 6: war effort.
Speaker 3: Where what are they buying?
Speaker 6: Like there are no weapons getting in, Like they make
Speaker 6: all their own weapons underground. So like the even even
Speaker 6: that argument falls apart, because what are you gonna do
Speaker 6: with cash? Like when you're in a full blockade, Like
Speaker 6: a lot of reporters and gaza who have been able
Speaker 6: to freelance for international organizations and have like decent amounts
Speaker 6: of money in their bank account, it's like it's it's
Speaker 6: like ash in their hands. It's like you can't there's
Speaker 6: nothing to buy. So setting that all aside, Yes, have
Speaker 6: they eaten some of the foods come in, Yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean they've eaten like the human beings. But yeah, so anyway,
Speaker 6: that like that, if you wanted to know how serious
Speaker 6: Israel is about that allegation, they never made it privately.
Speaker 6: And that's according to Sadderfield, who was literally an unindicted
Speaker 6: co conspirator in a Israel conspiracy in two thousand and five.
Speaker 4: And we can also roll this this clip of the
Speaker 4: little girl that was being referenced in the question to Bruce.
Speaker 4: This is really difficult to watch, but we can roll
Speaker 4: this is before Yeah, you can see this on your screen, right,
Speaker 4: do you know where this is around?
Speaker 6: And one of these girls, I'm not sure exactly where,
Speaker 6: but one of these girls, one of the girls lived
Speaker 6: and is in the hospital. Her entire family there, she is,
Speaker 6: her entire family. This is at a school wiped out.
Speaker 6: And it's just another horrific atrocity in an ongoing series
Speaker 6: of atrocities.
Speaker 3: And this is what you know.
Speaker 6: Netanyahu was pushing against the ceasefire to be able to
Speaker 6: continue doing this.
Speaker 5: And I want to rule both B two as well.
Speaker 12: Run.
Speaker 5: These are the mercenaries. This is what you're going to
Speaker 5: see on the screen. And you'll hear.
Speaker 4: This a little bit are So this is from Mohammad
Speaker 4: Shahada who says those are the American mercenaries running GHF's
Speaker 4: quote unquote AID concentration camp in Rafa.
Speaker 5: One of them speaks in an Iraqi dialect.
Speaker 4: Most of them served in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of
Speaker 4: them with the infamous Blackwater. They each get paid over
Speaker 4: thirty three thousand dollars per month.
Speaker 5: The second clip here, what you're seeing are is.
Speaker 6: This even an authentic clip? I've seen this one going around, Yeah,
Speaker 6: go ahead, it.
Speaker 5: Was as Yeah.
Speaker 4: So this is from Cassi Akiva, who's at the Daily
Speaker 4: Wire so obviously enormously pro is a real popular or
Speaker 4: population outlet, sours that one of the Gaza distribution sites
Speaker 4: tells me that Hamas set up a roadblock to prevent
Speaker 4: Gosins from getting aged. She said, they broke through it
Speaker 4: and we're shouting thank you America.
Speaker 5: Upon reaching the site.
Speaker 6: I'mas put out a stavement saying that that's absurd, Like
Speaker 6: they did not put up any checkpoints.
Speaker 3: They would be bombed, Like if they did that, Like.
Speaker 6: That's just yeah, that's just there's just no way that's
Speaker 6: true that they set up checkpoints to block people from
Speaker 6: going there. A that would turn the population completely against them.
Speaker 5: They're starting turning against them.
Speaker 6: Right, but completely Like Okay, so now there's eight here.
Speaker 6: I can't get through because the mass is blocking me. A.
Speaker 6: That's why they wouldn't have be If a moss is
Speaker 6: out in the open like that in southern Gaza, surrounded
Speaker 6: by Israeli military, they would bomb them.
Speaker 4: I just also wanted to quickly touch on one of
Speaker 4: the interesting points from Tammy Bruce. You mentioned that her
Speaker 4: answer was pretty interesting in response to Andrew Mitchell. I
Speaker 4: thought her other answer was pretty interesting as well that
Speaker 4: we played because when pressed on this question of how
Speaker 4: is the Trump administration the pro piece more pro peace
Speaker 4: than the administration before it, she pointed at the ceasefire
Speaker 4: and she did reference the kind of conscience shocking images
Speaker 4: coming out of Gaza in the last few days. And
Speaker 4: that's where this is for the Trump administration. I think
Speaker 4: going to culminate in something with Trump maybe wit Coough
Speaker 4: as well, where they ultimately just have to make a
Speaker 4: decision and Yahoo, and I think that's coming up in
Speaker 4: the next couple of weeks. Is it is it Yahoo
Speaker 4: or is it your your new what does it? What
Speaker 4: did he say during the campaign he was president of peace, right, like,
Speaker 4: do you want to you have to at a certain point,
Speaker 4: as this is coming to a head, make that decision.
Speaker 6: Quicker than that, because yeah, this is this is moving
Speaker 6: so fast a Gaza city by the way.
Speaker 4: And they're coasting right now, you know, they're they're sort
Speaker 4: of coasting on this feud back and forth in the press,
Speaker 4: like the leaks to Barack revive that harken back to
Speaker 4: the Biden administration about how Trump is frustrated and Trump
Speaker 4: probably is genuinely frustrated with net Yahoo, but that it
Speaker 4: it feels like it's coming to a sort of Manichean
Speaker 4: with me or against me choice in the days ahead.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the New York Times reporting that Nanya Who's
Speaker 6: still agitating to bomb Yeah Aron right while the negotiations
Speaker 6: are ongoing, that it led to a tense phone call
Speaker 6: between Trump and Manya who that has echoes of the.
Speaker 3: Biden administration too. Bbe stop Boebe stop n Yahoo.
Speaker 6: Get getting a tongue lashing from angry presidents of the
Speaker 6: United States, and you had continue to do exactly as
Speaker 6: as he pleases with US weapons and funding.
Speaker 4: Let's move on to this conversation between Timpoole and Bill
Speaker 4: Maher on a recent edition of Club Random. We have
Speaker 4: another interesting Tempoole clip versus Adam Conover that will roll
Speaker 4: right afterwards, but let's start here with B seven.
Speaker 15: That's one of the main reasons why the far left
Speaker 15: started to really hate me is because I call out
Speaker 15: Islam as what it is extremely illiberal. That's what's what's
Speaker 15: so ironic about liberals being so supportive of hamas is
Speaker 15: because you're liberals and these are the people. I'm sorry,
Speaker 15: but this ideology Islam, even in its more benign forms. Yes,
Speaker 15: I agree most the vast majority of Muslims not terrorists,
Speaker 15: of course, but Islamists, which is the word we used
Speaker 15: to describe people who are not terrorists but kind of
Speaker 15: agree with the things terrorists are doing and are for.
Speaker 15: That's a much higher number. That's many millions of people,
Speaker 15: and even the rank and file. I mean, most Muslim
Speaker 15: societies live under some form of Sharia law, which no
Speaker 15: Westerner who thinks that Tamas is so great could ever
Speaker 15: live under your fundamental rights that you take for granted
Speaker 15: here in America. You would not have, you know, I mean,
Speaker 15: all the protesters who are protesting in Gaza against Tamas,
Speaker 15: they've all been killed. They killed protesters women. I mean,
Speaker 15: do I have to say anything more than just just
Speaker 15: if it was just that issue how women are treated?
Speaker 15: Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 17: And the narrative is when I talk to some of
Speaker 17: these academics, like the anti wokee people that are like, well,
Speaker 17: it's because they say that, you know, Gaza is oppressed,
Speaker 17: and I'm like sure, but they're siding with the second
Speaker 17: biggest religion in the world, which is authoritarian, fundamentalist. And
Speaker 17: I don't care if you practice whatever religion you want
Speaker 17: to practice. It's fine, but it's strange to me to
Speaker 17: claim that Islam is oppressed in any meaningful way.
Speaker 15: Well, I do care what you practice, and I fully
Speaker 15: defend to the death your right to practice whatever religion
Speaker 15: you want. Just don't lie to me and say all
Speaker 15: religions are alike. All religions are not alike, and what
Speaker 15: makes them different mostly is how fundamentalist they are.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Fundamentalist means you actually believe what's in the Holy Book.
Speaker 15: I mean, there's the Quran, there's the Bible, and they're
Speaker 15: both full of nonsense. But we have learned to wink
Speaker 15: at the Bible in the way.
Speaker 6: So timpoole going on this very bizarre Bill mahershow and knowing,
Speaker 6: oh yeah, Bill Mars, Bill Mahers like this. He's proudly
Speaker 6: Islama focally, he really really hates Islam.
Speaker 3: He hates all religions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he really really hates Islam. If people are
Speaker 6: curious about his history and his kind of take on
Speaker 6: fundamentalist Islam, should google Islamic Renaissance or Islamic Golden Age.
Speaker 3: Just go go do the Wikipedia on that.
Speaker 6: It's just it's just not the case that there's anything
Speaker 6: inherently backwards about Islam, like and go go While you're
Speaker 6: going through that, then just just jump over to like
Speaker 6: the Christianity and Catholicism Wikipedia page and check how things
Speaker 6: were going during that period of time.
Speaker 4: You and I gonna have to smoke a blunt on
Speaker 4: club random and hash this out.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody would debate that.
Speaker 6: I think the best argument would be, well that you know,
Speaker 6: you have to go back to the that was only
Speaker 6: five hundred years. It was this first five hundred years
Speaker 6: is pretty It's pretty I wan't.
Speaker 4: Say the first five hundred years there was a pretty
Speaker 4: violent period at the inception of Islam.
Speaker 6: Fortunately, no other religion has been linked to any violence around.
Speaker 5: The world, so yeah, they're really rarely over.
Speaker 4: So what is interesting about that is even if I
Speaker 4: disagree with you on that point, I also completely disagree,
Speaker 4: and I think a lot of people increasingly disagree with
Speaker 4: Bill Maher that there was this neo conservative and I
Speaker 4: know he's not technically a neocon, but there was a
Speaker 4: neo conservative linking intentionally after nine to eleven of political
Speaker 4: Islam fundamentalist Islam with this particular conflict as though because
Speaker 4: there are radical there's political.
Speaker 5: Radicalism in Gaza.
Speaker 4: That that necessity that necessitates a policy that is pro
Speaker 4: Israel no matter what Israel wants to do, whenever Israel
Speaker 4: wants to do it, and that conflation is absurd and
Speaker 4: I feel like it's falling apart. The sort of construction
Speaker 4: that gave that created public support for policies predicated on
Speaker 4: that as falling apart right now, it's fallen apart since
Speaker 4: you know, after October seventh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would, I would just say this, like the
Speaker 6: Islamism that he's talking about is a fairly recent innovation,
Speaker 6: like to talk about last hundred years, and like a
Speaker 6: kind of reaction in some.
Speaker 3: Quarters to modernity, but.
Speaker 4: Actually also partially a reaction to the policy of Palestine.
Speaker 4: The policy towards from the West towards Palestine after World War.
Speaker 3: Two predates that a little bit. But yeah, it does.
Speaker 5: But it's definitely and all that. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: it's not irrelevant.
Speaker 6: And in the with the collapse of kind of pan
Speaker 6: Arab socialism, why.
Speaker 4: Does Iron support Hamas to some extent, because it's an
Speaker 4: extremely important question for a lot of fundamentalists, So it's
Speaker 4: it's not irrelevant. And actually you can make the argument
Speaker 4: that continuing sort of blanket check policy towards Israel actually
Speaker 4: makes the problem worse.
Speaker 6: Although yeah, Iron supported the resistance from the beginning of
Speaker 6: the revolution in seventy nine, and Amasa doesn't come around
Speaker 6: until like the nineties or whatever.
Speaker 4: In seventy nine, but that's after the creation of modern Israel.
Speaker 5: It's it's like.
Speaker 4: That's since like that that has been baked into it
Speaker 4: for since the creation of Israel.
Speaker 3: And so watching pool, he doesn't, I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't quite understand what's up with this guy's guy
Speaker 6: was taking money literally from Russia.
Speaker 5: Right unknowingly, but yeah, alleged.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's actually it's it's a crazy story.
Speaker 3: He's taking he's taking money.
Speaker 6: Whether he knew it was from Russia or not, he
Speaker 6: knew it was money, and it was to influence his
Speaker 6: editorial content.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, that is so that aside.
Speaker 6: Here here he is talking to Adam Connover with one
Speaker 6: of the most hair brain things I've ever heard.
Speaker 5: This is incredible.
Speaker 18: And then she's being like four simply deported. Do you
Speaker 18: think that's good for America? Like this is okay? So
Speaker 18: you know, marginally you think, what do you what do
Speaker 18: you think is good, even marginally, Like, what's the what's
Speaker 18: the minor small benefit to America?
Speaker 17: Do not our country and rally against it and its
Speaker 17: interests to you?
Speaker 18: So what is the what is the US interest that
Speaker 18: her writing an op ed the Suez Canal?
Speaker 17: The United States?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 17: The reason why the US is so I love these
Speaker 17: zi Jews, people that are like.
Speaker 9: Israel controls the forum of Pulzy.
Speaker 5: Oh, shut up.
Speaker 17: The US interest in is with Israel, Egypt and Saudi
Speaker 17: Arabia has a lot to do with like the Red
Speaker 17: Sea and the Suez Canal. This is why Donald Trump
Speaker 17: is obsessed with Panama and Greenland. He wants to control
Speaker 17: the global trade routes. Is what America's largely done.
Speaker 5: This is that.
Speaker 17: That's why I say it's it's it's it's a It's
Speaker 17: a gross mischaracterization to claim that an op ed is
Speaker 17: a threat to national security in that it is in
Speaker 17: the smallest of senses, students coming here and telling us
Speaker 17: to oppose our support with Israel puts it puts us
Speaker 17: at risk in terms of the sentiment of a younger
Speaker 17: generation as to whether or not we'll fund Israel and
Speaker 17: control the Suez Canal.
Speaker 18: But I asked you if you thought it was good
Speaker 18: to deport her as a marginally all right.
Speaker 4: So Suez Canal, that's my new anytime you say something,
Speaker 4: you asked me a question, I'm just gonna sit back
Speaker 4: and go Sue's Canal.
Speaker 6: So if you write an opad that could have a
Speaker 6: bank shot. Okay, well, all right, sue has canal is
Speaker 6: so important. Then lifting the kind of red sea blockade
Speaker 6: of all shipping like he just's been really suffering with
Speaker 6: with you know, foreign currency coming in because of the
Speaker 6: hoothy kind of shutdown of shipping lanes. So shouldn't shouldn't
Speaker 6: it then be in the US national interest to end
Speaker 6: the siege of Gaza, create a Palicity estate so that
Speaker 6: this conflict ends, so that the traffic flows more freely
Speaker 6: through the Suez Canal.
Speaker 3: Therefore, that's a good point.
Speaker 6: Apak is actually the one that is undermining US national security.
Speaker 5: That's a good point.
Speaker 6: Anybody associated with them who's not an American citys and according
Speaker 6: to Pool, should be deported.
Speaker 4: Like in fairness to Pool and that I've been on
Speaker 4: a show and I don't really have anything against him,
Speaker 4: but in fairness to him, I think what he was
Speaker 4: trying to do is explain the administration's point of view
Speaker 4: on this.
Speaker 5: But I don't think that.
Speaker 3: I doubt that's.
Speaker 6: Actually I think there their point of view is Canary
Speaker 6: Mission or one of these other organizations gave us the
Speaker 6: name Rumesa ods Tark and we arrested her.
Speaker 3: Done, that's it. Yeah, we do what we're told.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 4: Suez Canal, that's just that's that's the it's like washer happens,
Speaker 4: live drinking game, the little Neon sign in the corner
Speaker 4: of Suez Canal from here on out.
Speaker 5: I know you're probably watching this around noon there.
Speaker 4: One pm at your ask, but it's it's gonna every
Speaker 4: time you here that you drink incredible stuff.
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