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Speaker 6: So we're going to start by talking about this across

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Speaker 6: the board pause on student FEESUS that Marco, Rubio and

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Speaker 6: horrific debacle yesterday, the predictable debacle that was the attempt

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Speaker 6: by this Israeli US quote unquote humanitarian organization to deliver aid.

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Speaker 6: We'll talk about whether or not it was this was

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Speaker 6: The images that came out of this are going to

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Speaker 6: and Israel's approach to the region. Kamala to Palestadians, Kamala

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Speaker 6: Harris hit the speaking tour, but privately some of it leaked, Yeah, some.

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Speaker 5: Of it leaked.

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Speaker 3: Are fun.

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Speaker 4: She was at the Australian real Estate conference getting paid presumably,

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Speaker 6: Least no, no, that's a pro bono one for she just

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Speaker 6: loves the Australian real estate industry.

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Speaker 5: It's a deep passion of hers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, who's not passionate about that.

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Speaker 6: We cannot not talk about Jordan Peterson agreeing to be

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Speaker 6: one Christian debating twenty like twenty year old atheists, perfect

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Speaker 6: and emerging completely eviscerated.

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Speaker 4: But also getting the video title changed. We'll get into

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Speaker 3: You've lost a debate so badly they had to change

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Speaker 3: the video title.

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Speaker 4: It goes about as you would expect it to go.

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Speaker 4: So we will have some really fun clips from that.

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Speaker 4: And then we're going to be talking about Trump's pardoning

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Speaker 4: spree over the last couple of days. Not only the

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Speaker 4: a couple of other pretty interesting pardons Ryan just in

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Speaker 5: Looks a little suspicious, to say the least.

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Speaker 6: And then we're going to be We're going to finish

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Speaker 3: This is the dirty energy industry.

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Speaker 6: Although his company tries to make the dirty the fossil

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Speaker 6: board's reaction to Trump's big brutal bill, big beautiful bill,

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Speaker 6: because it's not just clean energy that it takes a

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Speaker 3: Across the board.

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Speaker 6: Is getting whacked by this bill to the point where

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Speaker 4: And lastly, on that, speaking of the Big Beautiful Bill,

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Speaker 4: He's going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this week,

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Speaker 5: You're about to buy more tuslas again.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's start with the news about student visas. We

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Speaker 4: Trump yesterday and a cable had leaked saying that the

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Speaker 4: administration was pausing student visas as it prepared a social

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Speaker 4: media vetting system. And we've covered news about the social

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Speaker 4: It appears that this is culminating in what is a

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Speaker 4: it's said to be a temporary pause in all student visas.

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Speaker 4: There are more than a million students on student visas

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Speaker 4: as of this school year. So here Secretary of State

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Speaker 4: Rubio explaining the policy yesterday at the White House.

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Speaker 7: So when we identify lunatics like these, we take away

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Speaker 7: their student visa. No one's entitled to a student visa.

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Speaker 7: The press cover student visas like there's some sort of birthright. Now,

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Speaker 7: If you come into my home and put all kinds

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Speaker 4: All right, Ryan, So again, more than a million students

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Speaker 4: that are going to be affected, thirty percent of Harvard roughly.

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Speaker 4: We have Trump talking about this as well, but we

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Speaker 5: This is a two an Axios story on.

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Speaker 4: The policy, but it is about thirty percent of Harvard students.

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Speaker 4: Some schools have massive foreign student and populations for reasons

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Speaker 5: American higher education has.

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Speaker 4: Now people don't always stay here, but many do and

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Speaker 4: a lot of you know, great American companies were founded

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Speaker 5: This is a three.

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Speaker 8: Part of the problem with Harvard is that they're about

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Speaker 8: thirty one percent, almost thirty one percent of foreigners coming

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Speaker 8: to Harvard. We give them billions of dollars, which is ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: We do grants which are probably not going to be

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Speaker 8: doing much grants anymore to Harvard, but there are thirty

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Speaker 8: people are. We want to know who the people. Now,

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Speaker 8: a lot of the foreign students we wouldn't.

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to have a problem with forign students,

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Speaker 8: but it shouldn't be thirty one percent. There's too much

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Speaker 8: thirty one percent foreign Now, no foreign government contributes money

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Speaker 9: We do, so why are they doing so many?

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Speaker 5: Number one?

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Speaker 8: Number two, we want a list of those foreign students

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Speaker 8: and we'll find out whether or not they're okay.

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Speaker 5: Many will be okay.

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Speaker 8: I assume, and I assume with Harvard many will be read.

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Speaker 4: And lastly, let's past this clip of an international student

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Speaker 10: Right now, there are very few international students who are

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Speaker 10: even willing to speak to the media who are willing to,

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Speaker 10: you know, just posted something on social media or participate

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Speaker 10: at a protest, because we've seen people have had their visas.

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Speaker 10: We vote for that reason, but also some examples of

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Speaker 10: doing right now is a full scale attack on free

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Speaker 10: speech in this country, and you know, we simply have

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Speaker 11: Given that climate that you describe and the persecution of

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Speaker 10: I mean, I honestly don't know. I'm very happy that

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Speaker 10: know that's how many international students are feeling right now.

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Speaker 10: I think it's incredibly hard because I've had such a

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Speaker 4: So the Trump comments, and that comes from that student,

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Speaker 4: came in response to, obviously the administration's decision to prevent

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Speaker 4: Harvard from accepting foreign students period that happened.

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Speaker 5: We covered that on last Friday Show.

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Speaker 4: But that was a decision that came last week from

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Speaker 4: Christy Nome technically because DHS oversees a vetting process and

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Speaker 4: and then made a list of pretty wild demands, intentionally

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Speaker 4: shortly after the administration came down with that decision.

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Speaker 5: So Ryan. Right now, we don't have a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of details about what this would look like, but it

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Speaker 4: almost certainly is about Israel, because that's everything I've seen

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Speaker 4: so far, the vetting Rubio.

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Speaker 6: Rubio was putting it in the same framework. Yes that look,

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Speaker 6: it's a privilege to come here as a student. But

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Speaker 6: basically he's saying, if you're going to protest Israel and

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Speaker 6: after that clip, He's like, like my wife and I

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Speaker 6: want to announce something. What he says is he's just

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Speaker 6: so proud that University of Florida's basketball team won a championship.

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Speaker 6: Two of their five starters are on student visas, one

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Speaker 6: from Nigeria, one from Australia. The Australian is it's pulled

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Speaker 6: Yes, and there's an enrollment problem because of birth rates

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Speaker 6: The foreign students, for the most part, are coming with

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Speaker 5: From these subsidizing tuition.

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Speaker 3: Who are paying the sticker price at Harvard.

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Speaker 4: But it does undermine the argument that everyone who's coming

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Speaker 6: We are not a meritocracy, like we are a place

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Speaker 6: Maybe in any event, they're they're not morods, Like you

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Speaker 6: Not really and they still get enormous amounts of tax breaks.

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Speaker 4: So maybe we do disagree a little bit because I

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Speaker 6: be my guest, please do that would be amazing.

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Speaker 3: You know, screw Harvard. I'm not here defending Harvard.

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Speaker 6: The idea that you're going to take that money out

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Speaker 4: Well, they're also doing endowment taxes that have higher education

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Speaker 4: Hell right, for the sake of like our Middle East policy,

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Speaker 4: whatever that is according to them and according to him

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Speaker 4: ever takes over. By the way, which is part of

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Speaker 4: the that the Obama administration was seen as egregeous by

447
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Speaker 4: conservatives is that they were using the strings attached to

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Speaker 4: federal funding to coerce different policies out of Title nine.

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Speaker 4: And it was just happened in dear colleague letters, so

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Speaker 4: like little missives from the Secretary of Education that could

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Speaker 4: be fired off at a moment's notice, And Conservatives were

452
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Speaker 4: really opposed to doing that because it was this expansion

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Speaker 4: of Title nine policy from Washington, DC that affected every

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Speaker 4: different school. So I think there's some of that to

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Speaker 4: be opposed to and to not have double standards. I

456
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Speaker 4: think absolutely there's some of that going on here. I do, though,

457
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Speaker 4: generally think some of this money is the same way

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Speaker 4: I feel about a lot of the cabinet agencies. I

459
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Speaker 4: do think if you're there are strings attached to public money.

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Speaker 4: And I don't have a problem with the duly elected

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Speaker 4: president and his administration saying that there are strings attached

462
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Speaker 4: to the money. But they should also realize that it's

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Speaker 4: a mutually beneficial arrangement for a reason. And the mutually

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Speaker 4: beneficial part of that still Harvard acting badly doesn't mean

465
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Speaker 4: the entire arrangement is a disaster in and of itself.

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Speaker 6: And what's their big complaint that they did that they

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Speaker 6: didn't arrest more student protesters.

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Speaker 3: I mean not that it depends on your four hundred

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Speaker 3: year old university, right, It.

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Speaker 4: Depends on who you're talking to. I mean, if you're

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Speaker 4: talking to Alan Dershowitz, that's probably it.

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Speaker 6: If they did a three hundred page report, there was

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Speaker 6: somebody who said that, you know, once they were posting

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Speaker 6: on Instagram that they were supportive of Israel, some of

475
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Speaker 6: their friends ghosted them like that, like that that type

476
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Speaker 6: of complaint and that literal complaint like made it into

477
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Speaker 6: this like report on anti Semitism. And so if we

478
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Speaker 6: just pull enough research grants from Harvard, like we will

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Speaker 6: you know, pressure people to go on walks with their

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Speaker 6: friends who support genocide. Like like, hey, look, you said

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Speaker 6: you would go on a walk Tuesday morning, and I

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Speaker 6: showed up. You weren't even there. I just had to

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Speaker 6: walk by myself.

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Speaker 5: I think it.

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Speaker 4: Depends what you're talking to. For some people, they would

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Speaker 4: basically be in that camp as.

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Speaker 6: You just spont to whoever you ghosted your friends, Now

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Speaker 6: you destroyed Harvard, well done.

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Speaker 3: All you had to do was just like not talk

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Speaker 3: about the genocide.

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, that's.

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Speaker 6: What they were trying to do, by the way, just

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Speaker 6: not talking with the genocide bid, like just being like,

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Speaker 6: you know what, this is your thing. You support this,

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Speaker 6: I don't, So let's just not be friends. That is

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Speaker 6: apparently bigotry. I mean that needs the state to intervene.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean I could go to well.

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Speaker 3: Trump will not countenance such ghosting.

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Speaker 5: He would never treat a friend.

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Speaker 3: No, he would not.

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Speaker 5: But it depends what you're talking to you.

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Speaker 4: If you're talking to some people, then yes they would

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Speaker 4: say something along those lines. You're talking to other people,

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Speaker 4: they would cite Aaron Sibarium's, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 4: year record of excellent reporting on how Harvard's DEI policies

506
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Speaker 4: have genuinely eroded what was already in a roded system

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Speaker 4: of meritocracy at Harvard.

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Speaker 5: And there's some really legitimate stuff to.

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Speaker 4: Take issue with their This is if this is the

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Speaker 4: pressure campaign lasts for a week, then it lasts for

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Speaker 4: a week. If this lasts for three years and is

512
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Speaker 4: an indefinite pause on student visas not just at Harvard

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Speaker 4: but basically everywhere, I mean legally, except.

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Speaker 6: Just replacing DEI with one marginalized group, yes, supporters of Israel,

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Speaker 6: not even Jewish students. Because if you're a Jewish student

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Speaker 6: who opposes the genocide, then you are bad and big

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Speaker 6: at it at.

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Speaker 3: H the only so it's de i.

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Speaker 6: But for supporters of Israel, unapologetic supporters of.

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Speaker 5: Israel, we'll see how it's implemented.

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Speaker 4: Many such cases, as Donald Trump would say about his

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Speaker 4: early policies. In fact, a Financial Times columnist, did you

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Speaker 4: see this coin to the term taco. Trump always chickens

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Speaker 4: out on on tariffs, and it's just these policies. It's

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Speaker 4: the Jackson Pollock approach to guidence. You just actually he's

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Speaker 4: making this, you know, mess and hoping that it turns

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Speaker 4: out right.

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Speaker 6: This briefing that Rubio or Rubio is going on about

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Speaker 6: this coming as Trump was chickening out on European.

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Speaker 4: Literally yes, in the middle of the cabinet meeting where he.

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Speaker 5: Backed off the fifty percent.

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Speaker 3: Ran.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on to Gaza. A lot of updates from

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Speaker 4: the Middle East. Let's start by playing b One and Ryan.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you can describe a little bit of what we're

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Speaker 4: seeing on the screen.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So this organization absurdly named the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation,

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Speaker 6: which is which according to the Arii Lipede. You know,

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Speaker 6: foreign Prime Minister of Israel is funded by Israel. It's

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Speaker 6: a kind of a joint the US Israeli organization which

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Speaker 6: is trying to supplant Unrede, the World Food Program and

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Speaker 6: all the other humanitarian aid organizations that bring in assistance.

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Speaker 6: What they did is they flipped delivery of humanitarian aid

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Speaker 6: on its head, like the way that the established organizations

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Speaker 6: do it to make sure that they don't get food

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Speaker 6: riots is that you need to kind of you need

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Speaker 6: to flood the area with aid, and you need to

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Speaker 6: have it decentralized at lots of different places, and you

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Speaker 6: need to have it near where people are so that

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Speaker 6: it's as convenient as possible and you have as short

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Speaker 6: lines as possible, because you don't want hundreds or thousands

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Speaker 6: or tens of thousands.

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Speaker 3: Is definitely not hundreds of thousands.

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Speaker 6: Of people who are haven't eaten for long stort and

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Speaker 6: an had a good meal probably in twenty months. You

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Speaker 6: don't want them all congregating around this one particular area.

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Speaker 6: But the GHF is not designed to efficiently distribute humanitarian aid.

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Speaker 6: Its design is explicitly for depopulating Northern Gaza. Like Yahoo

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Speaker 6: has set out loud that the goal of this organization

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Speaker 6: is to entice Palestinians into the south of Gaza into

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Speaker 6: particular areas where they have to then present their ideas

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Speaker 6: and lead their homes, at which point they will not

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Speaker 6: be allowed to return to their homes. Like he has

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Speaker 6: said this out loud, this is not leaked audio. Like

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Speaker 6: he's been very clear that that's the goal of this.

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Speaker 6: So therefore they set up just four distribution centers for

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Speaker 6: two million people who haven't you know, had aid distributed

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Speaker 6: since March second, and they set up you saw that.

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Speaker 6: You saw that zigzag barbed wire fence.

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Speaker 3: They set that.

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Speaker 6: They set that like corral up as as their way

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Speaker 6: because they understood that there would be large desperate crowds there.

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Speaker 6: Of course, that did not hold people back. People had

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Speaker 6: to walk ten fifteen kilometers to get to this place

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Speaker 6: as well, which immediately means who are you going to

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Speaker 6: get like the people who are in the best possible shape,

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Speaker 6: not great shape, but the best possible shape. If you're

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Speaker 6: desperately malnourished, you can't walk fifteen kilometers through the sun

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Speaker 6: to get to this place. And so then so the

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Speaker 6: desert people broke through the fence. Apache hell, as you

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Speaker 6: saw in the video, there a patchy helicopters.

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Speaker 3: Like start firing on the crowd.

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Speaker 6: Nobody was killed, thankfully, but it was it was a

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Speaker 6: complete catastrophe.

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Speaker 3: Then what people got.

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Speaker 6: Were these little boxes that had flour, dried pasta, and

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Speaker 6: some dried beans.

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Speaker 3: Now think about that.

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Speaker 6: What it's better than having nothing in your hands, but

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Speaker 6: what do you need to take that to something edible

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Speaker 6: like water and an energy source which you're also extremely

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Speaker 6: hard to come by. Deliberately so, humanitarian aid organizations were

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Speaker 6: saying this is deeply inappropriate, Like this is not the

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Speaker 6: thing you would give to malnourished people. First of all,

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Speaker 6: it's not the kind of nourishment that you need. Like

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Speaker 6: there are very particular types of food packages that you

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Speaker 6: could give to people who haven't had a decent meal

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Speaker 6: for two months and that that need to recover their

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Speaker 6: health a little bit pasta, beans and rice and like that.

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Speaker 6: That's that's not it. And you don't want to give

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Speaker 6: somebody something that needs to be cooked with clean water

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Speaker 6: and heat if they don't have clean water and heat.

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Speaker 6: Of course, though that that assumes that any of this

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Speaker 6: is on the up and up, which they have acknowledged

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Speaker 6: it is not. It is about at the cleansing is

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Speaker 6: about It's about deepop It's about depopulism. Depopulation, uh, the

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Speaker 6: other concern that Palestinians had and which was born out immediately.

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Speaker 6: It is reported by my colleague Jeremy Scalhegn put this

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Speaker 6: third element up on the screen. This is a statement

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Speaker 6: from Aamawi who from the Gaza relief committees where he's

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Speaker 6: if if you're watching this, you can pause and read it.

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Speaker 6: But basically what he's describing is that is is the situation,

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Speaker 6: uh that I just described. Amawi also reported and these

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Speaker 6: are the details of it. Amawi also reported that there

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Speaker 6: are reports of people and they were directly involved with this,

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Speaker 6: who went to get.

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Speaker 3: The aid, you know, to give their idea run.

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Speaker 6: Their name gets run through there and the guy gets snatched.

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Speaker 3: A family then gets a phone call.

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Speaker 6: From this guy saying I've been snatched. They they want

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Speaker 6: me to ask you. This is so now we're two

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Speaker 6: degrees of separation away. They want me to ask you

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Speaker 6: about this other person that they're asking about that's a

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Speaker 6: member of this other families you know out outer orbit,

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Speaker 6: they said, and they say, and they tell them like,

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Speaker 6: we haven't seen this guy since the beginning of this war.

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Speaker 6: Now Presumably this is somebody that Israel's looking for. Presume

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Speaker 6: like let's say somebody in Hamas or a fighter or

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Speaker 6: some other resistance group. Like that's the assumption, because you know,

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Speaker 6: you can't find the guy, you ask his relatives, can't

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Speaker 6: find the relatives, you ask the relatives friends, and then

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Speaker 6: so there, so they snatched the guy, extored him, uh,

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Speaker 6: just to try to find somebody three or four degrees

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Speaker 6: removed from him.

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Speaker 3: And he's like, that's all I can do.

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Speaker 6: Like they said, they haven't seen him, you know, in

637
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Speaker 6: this long and they're on the phone with him. They're like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: come with us, and they just arrest him and detain.

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Speaker 6: You know, we don't know if he's still alive. We

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Speaker 6: don't know if he if he's if he's been tortured,

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Speaker 6: or what kind of abuse he's suffered at their hands.

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Speaker 6: And this is violates one of the top principles of

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Speaker 6: a humanitarian aid organization, which is neutrality, that the aid

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Speaker 6: is not a weapon in pursuit of like Hamas figures

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Speaker 6: who are three or four degrees connected.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know who they were looking for.

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Speaker 6: We don't know, but let's assume it was that like,

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Speaker 6: that's not what an aid organization is supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 4: And so this has exploded predictably into an international controversy.

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Speaker 5: Ongoing international controversy. Let's roll. I'm going to skip ahead

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Speaker 5: here to be five.

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Speaker 4: This is a clip of Press Secretary for the State's Department,

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Speaker 4: Tammy Bruce, responding to questions yesterday.

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Speaker 12: The world has been shocked by what's happened in Gaza

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Speaker 12: over the past few days.

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Speaker 3: The silhouette of the little girl.

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Speaker 13: Well, I said, it's been obviously, it's been shocked over

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Speaker 13: generations about what you absolutely and that Jamas certainly is

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Speaker 13: refused to stop that violence.

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Speaker 14: But go ahead.

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Speaker 12: So but just in the past few days, we've seen

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Speaker 12: the silhouette of a little girl trying to flee burning

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Speaker 12: classrooms surrounding her, killing people around her. We've seen thousands

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Speaker 12: of Palestinians starved by Israel's blockade, heard it between fences

665
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Speaker 12: as they try to get fed. Today thousand excuse me,

666
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Speaker 12: a doctor who'saw nine of her children killed by Israeli bombs.

667
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Speaker 12: All the while this administration, of course, as we've has

668
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Speaker 12: talked to deport students who protest this, including one student

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Speaker 12: who wrote.

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Speaker 3: An op ed against this kind of behavior.

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Speaker 12: The administration came in telling Americans it would be more

672
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Speaker 12: pro peice, more anti war.

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Speaker 14: And this is beginning to sound like a soliloquy. Sir,

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Speaker 14: do you have a question, please please, I'm curious.

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Speaker 13: Yes, I have this very serious issue, and everyone has

676
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Speaker 13: your question.

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Speaker 14: Yes, yes, I ask it.

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Speaker 12: I wonder how you see this administration being more pro

679
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Speaker 12: piece or more anti war than the previous administration given

680
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Speaker 12: these kinds of horrors that Americans are witnessing.

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Speaker 13: Yes, well, you know it is a dynamic. Whereas I

682
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Speaker 13: also just mentioned a little bit ago, we did achieve

683
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Speaker 13: a ceasefire, something which nobody thought would be possible after

684
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Speaker 13: the heinousness of October seventh, the nature of what had

685
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Speaker 13: occurred on that day, the fact that there has to

686
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Speaker 13: be a new way. The President has stated, we have

687
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Speaker 13: to have new ideas to make a difference so this

688
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Speaker 13: stops and doesn't go from generation to generation. What we've

689
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Speaker 13: got here is, after I don't know what has it

690
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 13: been three months a bit over one hundred days of

691
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Speaker 13: President Trump managing to get I think every warring party,

692
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Speaker 13: every hostile party against other people on this planet to

693
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Speaker 13: a table to stop now that's the simple part. Making

694
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Speaker 13: things happen and making it last is another thing.

695
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Speaker 14: Hamas.

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Speaker 13: We did have a ceasefire, and then Hamas decided once

697
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Speaker 13: again that that was just not going to do and

698
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Speaker 13: they can and you to do what they do.

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Speaker 5: Ran, I think you wanted to toss to another club.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, Andrew Mitchell lacing it up has been going to

702
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Speaker 6: the State Department press briefings, she asked. She asked a

703
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Speaker 6: question about this aid delivery mechanism as well, like why

704
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Speaker 6: are you using this when you've got Sidney McCain for

705
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Speaker 6: the World Froot program doing, You've got the un You've

706
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 6: got plenty of people who could do this. Why are you, like,

707
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Speaker 6: what are you even doing here? And she elicited a

708
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Speaker 6: fascinating response from Tammy Brucelett.

709
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Speaker 3: We can roll B six B here.

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Speaker 13: There's certainly and this is something the world is watching,

711
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 13: something we've all cared about getting resolved. It is not

712
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 13: an uncomplicated situation. This is, however, the first delivery of

713
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Speaker 13: major aid, if not the only aid we've been hearing

714
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Speaker 13: for months.

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Speaker 14: I wish that Cindy McCain had spoken up that.

716
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Speaker 13: They had found a way to move food into gossip

717
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Speaker 13: because that certainly hadn't been conveyed to us.

718
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Speaker 14: But now, which if that's the case, that's great.

719
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Speaker 13: What I do know is that the people on the

720
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Speaker 13: ground now as we're as the number I told you

721
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Speaker 13: I think is rather significant, four hundred and.

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Speaker 14: Sixty two thousand meals. That's what we're focused on.

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Speaker 13: And this is and I'm not going to address either

724
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Speaker 13: gossip or complaints or people who knew or weren't included

725
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Speaker 13: or would do it a different way, or.

726
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Speaker 14: Who's shooting at whom that Hamah, It's not the real

727
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Speaker 14: story here. The story is that aid.

728
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Speaker 13: And food is moving into Gaza at a massive scale.

729
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Speaker 13: At this point when you're looking at eight thousand food boxes,

730
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Speaker 13: was this going to be like going.

731
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Speaker 14: To the mall or through a drive through?

732
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Speaker 5: No, it wasn't.

733
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Speaker 13: This is a complicated environment and the story is the

734
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Speaker 13: fact that it's working. I find it difficult that there

735
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Speaker 13: are people who would go on television shows to complain

736
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Speaker 13: about a process that is working and moving food into

737
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Speaker 13: the area.

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Speaker 6: So the idea that it was a mystery that the

739
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Speaker 6: World Program had found a way into get to get

740
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Speaker 6: food into gas is absurd. Like the everybody has been

741
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Speaker 6: witnessing that for up until March.

742
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Speaker 3: Second, when it Israel blocked it.

743
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Speaker 6: The argument that Israel makes publicly is that, well, Hamas

744
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Speaker 6: is stealing the aid. The whole reason that we have

745
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Speaker 6: to blow up the entire system of humanitarian aid delivery

746
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Speaker 6: and GAZ is that Hamas was stealing it. And we

747
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Speaker 6: have no obligation to give aid to Hamas just to

748
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Speaker 6: use against us and sell on the black market. So

749
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Speaker 6: that's that's the argument they make publicly. So let's let

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Speaker 6: David Saderfield respond to that. So David Satterfield was the

751
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Speaker 6: Biden administration official who was responsible for humanitarian overseeing humanitarian

752
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Speaker 6: aid and negotiating negotiating with the Israelis over that. According

753
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Speaker 6: to people in the State Department that I talked to,

754
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Speaker 6: like Satterfield almost never pushed back on the Israelis, Like

755
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Speaker 6: he was a very very sympathetic figure. In two thousand

756
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 6: and five, then you guys can google this, U Sadderfield

757
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 6: wasn't was listed in an indictment for leaking this is

758
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Speaker 6: under the Bush administration for leaking classified information to a

759
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 6: pack and two and to uh you can look it

760
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Speaker 6: up like to this. Then a Pack was linked up

761
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Speaker 6: with Israel, so it wasn't just to a pack, but

762
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Speaker 6: it was classified information. Uh so this is now. He

763
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 6: was never officially charged, he was never charged, and he

764
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Speaker 6: did and he defended. He said what I what I

765
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Speaker 6: did was above board and it was not a crime.

766
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Speaker 6: The point here this is somebody who is close enough

767
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Speaker 6: to Israel that it was listed in a two thousand

768
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Speaker 6: and five indictment for having leaked classified information to Israel.

769
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Speaker 6: So this is not something In other words, this is

770
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Speaker 6: not a Hamas sympathizer. This is not even one of

771
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Speaker 6: these eight department officials who you'd call like an arabist,

772
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Speaker 6: which are mostly all gone from the State Department. So

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Speaker 6: that's the context I want you to have when you

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Speaker 6: listen to Sadderfield get asked the question is Hamas? Is

775
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Speaker 6: there any evidence that Hamas is stealing the AID? So

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Speaker 6: let's roll B six.

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Speaker 16: Hamas was stealing, profiting and diverting the majority of the

778
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Speaker 16: AID that was coming in. That that is Israel's claim.

779
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Speaker 16: How do you respond to that?

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Speaker 9: No such allegation or evidence in support of allegations like

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Speaker 9: that were ever provided privately by informed Israeli security or

782
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Speaker 9: political officials. It is a claim which on the face

783
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Speaker 9: of it is not reflected in any of the experience

784
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Speaker 9: that those involved in the humanitarian effort have seen. Did

785
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Speaker 9: ham US benefit politically from its presence at distribution sites

786
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Speaker 9: to reinforce to the population of Gaza that they remained

787
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Speaker 9: effective and in place. Certainly they did. Did HAMAS take

788
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Speaker 9: some assistance, quite likely, but from the UN and INGO channels,

789
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Speaker 9: which were highly accountable. Whatever aid was ultimately diverted in

790
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Speaker 9: any fashion by Hamas was minimal compared to the aid

791
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Speaker 9: that was received by the general population. Now, the same

792
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Speaker 9: can't be said about aid that came in outside UN

793
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Speaker 9: or international NGO channels. That's a different matter. In Israel

794
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Speaker 9: understands that. But we're speaking now of the UN. The

795
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Speaker 9: allegations that the majority I've heard some claims all of

796
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Speaker 9: the assistants was seized by Hamas. That has never been

797
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Speaker 9: made privately to officials involved in this process, nor demonstrated

798
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Speaker 9: through evidence.

799
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Speaker 6: What's so fascinating to me about that answer is he's

800
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Speaker 6: not saying they never provided evidence that Hamas was stealing

801
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 6: the aid privately. They never even made that claim. In

802
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 6: other words, they know it's not true. They say it

803
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Speaker 6: publicly because idiots on X will repeat it. But privately

804
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Speaker 6: when they're talking to other state department officials in their

805
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Speaker 6: counterparts in the in the like relief world. They don't

806
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Speaker 6: even claim it, let alone provide evidence for it.

807
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Speaker 4: Well, I thought it was helpful nuance when he said,

808
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Speaker 4: because he himself wasn't saying that no AID has ever

809
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 4: been diverted or sure like Hamas just executed four people

810
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Speaker 4: under the like Reuter says, this st this morning, and

811
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Speaker 4: they did it a few weeks ago as well, for

812
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Speaker 4: diverting AID, right, which is like, that's what.

813
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Speaker 6: Israel backed gangs that are like looting drugs and then

814
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Speaker 6: Hamas is going back after them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite an upside out.

816
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Speaker 4: World, but it's helpful nuance of what he's saying is

817
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Speaker 4: that it's minimal whatever is being diverted.

818
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Speaker 5: Like.

819
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Speaker 3: The Hamas has tens of thousands of fighters.

820
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Speaker 6: People are starving in the last nineteen months, those fighters

821
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Speaker 6: have eaten yep, some with some of that food that

822
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Speaker 6: came in.

823
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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, no doubt like he's saying.

824
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Speaker 6: Yeah, But the the accusation made broadly is that they

825
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 6: take the aid, they take it all, and then they

826
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Speaker 6: sell it back into the black market at exorbitant prices

827
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Speaker 6: and then they use that money to then fund their

828
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Speaker 6: war effort.

829
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Speaker 3: Where what are they buying?

830
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Speaker 6: Like there are no weapons getting in, Like they make

831
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Speaker 6: all their own weapons underground. So like the even even

832
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Speaker 6: that argument falls apart, because what are you gonna do

833
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Speaker 6: with cash? Like when you're in a full blockade, Like

834
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Speaker 6: a lot of reporters and gaza who have been able

835
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 6: to freelance for international organizations and have like decent amounts

836
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Speaker 6: of money in their bank account, it's like it's it's

837
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Speaker 6: like ash in their hands. It's like you can't there's

838
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Speaker 6: nothing to buy. So setting that all aside, Yes, have

839
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Speaker 6: they eaten some of the foods come in, Yeah, I

840
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 6: mean they've eaten like the human beings. But yeah, so anyway,

841
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 6: that like that, if you wanted to know how serious

842
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 6: Israel is about that allegation, they never made it privately.

843
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Speaker 6: And that's according to Sadderfield, who was literally an unindicted

844
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Speaker 6: co conspirator in a Israel conspiracy in two thousand and five.

845
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Speaker 4: And we can also roll this this clip of the

846
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Speaker 4: little girl that was being referenced in the question to Bruce.

847
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Speaker 4: This is really difficult to watch, but we can roll

848
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Speaker 4: this is before Yeah, you can see this on your screen, right,

849
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Speaker 4: do you know where this is around?

850
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Speaker 6: And one of these girls, I'm not sure exactly where,

851
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 6: but one of these girls, one of the girls lived

852
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 6: and is in the hospital. Her entire family there, she is,

853
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 6: her entire family. This is at a school wiped out.

854
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Speaker 6: And it's just another horrific atrocity in an ongoing series

855
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Speaker 6: of atrocities.

856
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Speaker 3: And this is what you know.

857
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Speaker 6: Netanyahu was pushing against the ceasefire to be able to

858
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Speaker 6: continue doing this.

859
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Speaker 5: And I want to rule both B two as well.

860
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Speaker 12: Run.

861
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Speaker 5: These are the mercenaries. This is what you're going to

862
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 5: see on the screen. And you'll hear.

863
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 4: This a little bit are So this is from Mohammad

864
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Speaker 4: Shahada who says those are the American mercenaries running GHF's

865
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Speaker 4: quote unquote AID concentration camp in Rafa.

866
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Speaker 5: One of them speaks in an Iraqi dialect.

867
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Speaker 4: Most of them served in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of

868
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Speaker 4: them with the infamous Blackwater. They each get paid over

869
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: thirty three thousand dollars per month.

870
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Speaker 5: The second clip here, what you're seeing are is.

871
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Speaker 6: This even an authentic clip? I've seen this one going around, Yeah,

872
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Speaker 6: go ahead, it.

873
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Speaker 5: Was as Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So this is from Cassi Akiva, who's at the Daily

875
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Speaker 4: Wire so obviously enormously pro is a real popular or

876
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 4: population outlet, sours that one of the Gaza distribution sites

877
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Speaker 4: tells me that Hamas set up a roadblock to prevent

878
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Speaker 4: Gosins from getting aged. She said, they broke through it

879
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Speaker 4: and we're shouting thank you America.

880
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Speaker 5: Upon reaching the site.

881
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Speaker 6: I'mas put out a stavement saying that that's absurd, Like

882
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Speaker 6: they did not put up any checkpoints.

883
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Speaker 3: They would be bombed, Like if they did that, Like.

884
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Speaker 6: That's just yeah, that's just there's just no way that's

885
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Speaker 6: true that they set up checkpoints to block people from

886
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Speaker 6: going there. A that would turn the population completely against them.

887
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Speaker 5: They're starting turning against them.

888
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Speaker 6: Right, but completely Like Okay, so now there's eight here.

889
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Speaker 6: I can't get through because the mass is blocking me. A.

890
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Speaker 6: That's why they wouldn't have be If a moss is

891
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Speaker 6: out in the open like that in southern Gaza, surrounded

892
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Speaker 6: by Israeli military, they would bomb them.

893
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Speaker 4: I just also wanted to quickly touch on one of

894
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Speaker 4: the interesting points from Tammy Bruce. You mentioned that her

895
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Speaker 4: answer was pretty interesting in response to Andrew Mitchell. I

896
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Speaker 4: thought her other answer was pretty interesting as well that

897
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Speaker 4: we played because when pressed on this question of how

898
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Speaker 4: is the Trump administration the pro piece more pro peace

899
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Speaker 4: than the administration before it, she pointed at the ceasefire

900
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Speaker 4: and she did reference the kind of conscience shocking images

901
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Speaker 4: coming out of Gaza in the last few days. And

902
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Speaker 4: that's where this is for the Trump administration. I think

903
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Speaker 4: going to culminate in something with Trump maybe wit Coough

904
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Speaker 4: as well, where they ultimately just have to make a

905
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Speaker 4: decision and Yahoo, and I think that's coming up in

906
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Speaker 4: the next couple of weeks. Is it is it Yahoo

907
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Speaker 4: or is it your your new what does it? What

908
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Speaker 4: did he say during the campaign he was president of peace, right, like,

909
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Speaker 4: do you want to you have to at a certain point,

910
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Speaker 4: as this is coming to a head, make that decision.

911
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Speaker 6: Quicker than that, because yeah, this is this is moving

912
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Speaker 6: so fast a Gaza city by the way.

913
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Speaker 4: And they're coasting right now, you know, they're they're sort

914
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Speaker 4: of coasting on this feud back and forth in the press,

915
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Speaker 4: like the leaks to Barack revive that harken back to

916
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Speaker 4: the Biden administration about how Trump is frustrated and Trump

917
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Speaker 4: probably is genuinely frustrated with net Yahoo, but that it

918
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Speaker 4: it feels like it's coming to a sort of Manichean

919
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Speaker 4: with me or against me choice in the days ahead.

920
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the New York Times reporting that Nanya Who's

921
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Speaker 6: still agitating to bomb Yeah Aron right while the negotiations

922
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Speaker 6: are ongoing, that it led to a tense phone call

923
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Speaker 6: between Trump and Manya who that has echoes of the.

924
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Speaker 3: Biden administration too. Bbe stop Boebe stop n Yahoo.

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Speaker 6: Get getting a tongue lashing from angry presidents of the

926
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Speaker 6: United States, and you had continue to do exactly as

927
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Speaker 6: as he pleases with US weapons and funding.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on to this conversation between Timpoole and Bill

929
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Speaker 4: Maher on a recent edition of Club Random. We have

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Speaker 4: another interesting Tempoole clip versus Adam Conover that will roll

931
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Speaker 4: right afterwards, but let's start here with B seven.

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Speaker 15: That's one of the main reasons why the far left

933
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Speaker 15: started to really hate me is because I call out

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Speaker 15: Islam as what it is extremely illiberal. That's what's what's

935
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Speaker 15: so ironic about liberals being so supportive of hamas is

936
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Speaker 15: because you're liberals and these are the people. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 15: but this ideology Islam, even in its more benign forms. Yes,

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Speaker 15: I agree most the vast majority of Muslims not terrorists,

939
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Speaker 15: of course, but Islamists, which is the word we used

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Speaker 15: to describe people who are not terrorists but kind of

941
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Speaker 15: agree with the things terrorists are doing and are for.

942
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Speaker 15: That's a much higher number. That's many millions of people,

943
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Speaker 15: and even the rank and file. I mean, most Muslim

944
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Speaker 15: societies live under some form of Sharia law, which no

945
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Speaker 15: Westerner who thinks that Tamas is so great could ever

946
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Speaker 15: live under your fundamental rights that you take for granted

947
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Speaker 15: here in America. You would not have, you know, I mean,

948
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Speaker 15: all the protesters who are protesting in Gaza against Tamas,

949
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Speaker 15: they've all been killed. They killed protesters women. I mean,

950
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Speaker 15: do I have to say anything more than just just

951
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Speaker 15: if it was just that issue how women are treated?

952
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Speaker 15: Are you fucking kidding me?

953
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Speaker 17: And the narrative is when I talk to some of

954
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Speaker 17: these academics, like the anti wokee people that are like, well,

955
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Speaker 17: it's because they say that, you know, Gaza is oppressed,

956
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Speaker 17: and I'm like sure, but they're siding with the second

957
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Speaker 17: biggest religion in the world, which is authoritarian, fundamentalist. And

958
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Speaker 17: I don't care if you practice whatever religion you want

959
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Speaker 17: to practice. It's fine, but it's strange to me to

960
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Speaker 17: claim that Islam is oppressed in any meaningful way.

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Speaker 15: Well, I do care what you practice, and I fully

962
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Speaker 15: defend to the death your right to practice whatever religion

963
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Speaker 15: you want. Just don't lie to me and say all

964
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Speaker 15: religions are alike. All religions are not alike, and what

965
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Speaker 15: makes them different mostly is how fundamentalist they are.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Fundamentalist means you actually believe what's in the Holy Book.

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Speaker 15: I mean, there's the Quran, there's the Bible, and they're

969
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Speaker 15: both full of nonsense. But we have learned to wink

970
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Speaker 15: at the Bible in the way.

971
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Speaker 6: So timpoole going on this very bizarre Bill mahershow and knowing,

972
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Speaker 6: oh yeah, Bill Mars, Bill Mahers like this. He's proudly

973
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Speaker 6: Islama focally, he really really hates Islam.

974
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Speaker 3: He hates all religions.

975
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but he really really hates Islam. If people are

976
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Speaker 6: curious about his history and his kind of take on

977
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Speaker 6: fundamentalist Islam, should google Islamic Renaissance or Islamic Golden Age.

978
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Speaker 3: Just go go do the Wikipedia on that.

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Speaker 6: It's just it's just not the case that there's anything

980
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Speaker 6: inherently backwards about Islam, like and go go While you're

981
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Speaker 6: going through that, then just just jump over to like

982
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Speaker 6: the Christianity and Catholicism Wikipedia page and check how things

983
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Speaker 6: were going during that period of time.

984
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Speaker 4: You and I gonna have to smoke a blunt on

985
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 4: club random and hash this out.

986
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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody would debate that.

987
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Speaker 6: I think the best argument would be, well that you know,

988
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Speaker 6: you have to go back to the that was only

989
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Speaker 6: five hundred years. It was this first five hundred years

990
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Speaker 6: is pretty It's pretty I wan't.

991
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Speaker 4: Say the first five hundred years there was a pretty

992
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Speaker 4: violent period at the inception of Islam.

993
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Speaker 6: Fortunately, no other religion has been linked to any violence around.

994
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Speaker 5: The world, so yeah, they're really rarely over.

995
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Speaker 4: So what is interesting about that is even if I

996
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Speaker 4: disagree with you on that point, I also completely disagree,

997
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Speaker 4: and I think a lot of people increasingly disagree with

998
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Speaker 4: Bill Maher that there was this neo conservative and I

999
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Speaker 4: know he's not technically a neocon, but there was a

1000
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Speaker 4: neo conservative linking intentionally after nine to eleven of political

1001
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Speaker 4: Islam fundamentalist Islam with this particular conflict as though because

1002
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Speaker 4: there are radical there's political.

1003
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Speaker 5: Radicalism in Gaza.

1004
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 4: That that necessity that necessitates a policy that is pro

1005
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Speaker 4: Israel no matter what Israel wants to do, whenever Israel

1006
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Speaker 4: wants to do it, and that conflation is absurd and

1007
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Speaker 4: I feel like it's falling apart. The sort of construction

1008
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Speaker 4: that gave that created public support for policies predicated on

1009
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Speaker 4: that as falling apart right now, it's fallen apart since

1010
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Speaker 4: you know, after October seventh.

1011
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would, I would just say this, like the

1012
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Speaker 6: Islamism that he's talking about is a fairly recent innovation,

1013
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 6: like to talk about last hundred years, and like a

1014
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 6: kind of reaction in some.

1015
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Speaker 3: Quarters to modernity, but.

1016
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Speaker 4: Actually also partially a reaction to the policy of Palestine.

1017
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Speaker 4: The policy towards from the West towards Palestine after World War.

1018
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Speaker 3: Two predates that a little bit. But yeah, it does.

1019
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 5: But it's definitely and all that. Yeah, yeah, I mean

1020
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Speaker 5: it's not irrelevant.

1021
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Speaker 6: And in the with the collapse of kind of pan

1022
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 6: Arab socialism, why.

1023
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Speaker 4: Does Iron support Hamas to some extent, because it's an

1024
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 4: extremely important question for a lot of fundamentalists, So it's

1025
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Speaker 4: it's not irrelevant. And actually you can make the argument

1026
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 4: that continuing sort of blanket check policy towards Israel actually

1027
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Speaker 4: makes the problem worse.

1028
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 6: Although yeah, Iron supported the resistance from the beginning of

1029
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Speaker 6: the revolution in seventy nine, and Amasa doesn't come around

1030
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Speaker 6: until like the nineties or whatever.

1031
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Speaker 4: In seventy nine, but that's after the creation of modern Israel.

1032
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Speaker 5: It's it's like.

1033
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 4: That's since like that that has been baked into it

1034
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Speaker 4: for since the creation of Israel.

1035
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Speaker 3: And so watching pool, he doesn't, I don't.

1036
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Speaker 6: I don't quite understand what's up with this guy's guy

1037
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Speaker 6: was taking money literally from Russia.

1038
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Speaker 5: Right unknowingly, but yeah, alleged.

1039
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's actually it's it's a crazy story.

1040
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Speaker 3: He's taking he's taking money.

1041
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Speaker 6: Whether he knew it was from Russia or not, he

1042
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Speaker 6: knew it was money, and it was to influence his

1043
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Speaker 6: editorial content.

1044
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, that is so that aside.

1045
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Speaker 6: Here here he is talking to Adam Connover with one

1046
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Speaker 6: of the most hair brain things I've ever heard.

1047
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Speaker 5: This is incredible.

1048
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Speaker 18: And then she's being like four simply deported. Do you

1049
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 18: think that's good for America? Like this is okay? So

1050
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 18: you know, marginally you think, what do you what do

1051
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Speaker 18: you think is good, even marginally, Like, what's the what's

1052
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 18: the minor small benefit to America?

1053
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Speaker 17: Do not our country and rally against it and its

1054
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Speaker 17: interests to you?

1055
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Speaker 18: So what is the what is the US interest that

1056
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Speaker 18: her writing an op ed the Suez Canal?

1057
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Speaker 17: The United States?

1058
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Speaker 4: Uh?

1059
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Speaker 17: The reason why the US is so I love these

1060
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Speaker 17: zi Jews, people that are like.

1061
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 9: Israel controls the forum of Pulzy.

1062
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Speaker 5: Oh, shut up.

1063
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Speaker 17: The US interest in is with Israel, Egypt and Saudi

1064
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Speaker 17: Arabia has a lot to do with like the Red

1065
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 17: Sea and the Suez Canal. This is why Donald Trump

1066
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 17: is obsessed with Panama and Greenland. He wants to control

1067
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Speaker 17: the global trade routes. Is what America's largely done.

1068
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Speaker 5: This is that.

1069
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Speaker 17: That's why I say it's it's it's it's a It's

1070
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Speaker 17: a gross mischaracterization to claim that an op ed is

1071
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Speaker 17: a threat to national security in that it is in

1072
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Speaker 17: the smallest of senses, students coming here and telling us

1073
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 17: to oppose our support with Israel puts it puts us

1074
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Speaker 17: at risk in terms of the sentiment of a younger

1075
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Speaker 17: generation as to whether or not we'll fund Israel and

1076
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Speaker 17: control the Suez Canal.

1077
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Speaker 18: But I asked you if you thought it was good

1078
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Speaker 18: to deport her as a marginally all right.

1079
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Speaker 4: So Suez Canal, that's my new anytime you say something,

1080
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Speaker 4: you asked me a question, I'm just gonna sit back

1081
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Speaker 4: and go Sue's Canal.

1082
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Speaker 6: So if you write an opad that could have a

1083
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Speaker 6: bank shot. Okay, well, all right, sue has canal is

1084
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 6: so important. Then lifting the kind of red sea blockade

1085
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Speaker 6: of all shipping like he just's been really suffering with

1086
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Speaker 6: with you know, foreign currency coming in because of the

1087
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Speaker 6: hoothy kind of shutdown of shipping lanes. So shouldn't shouldn't

1088
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Speaker 6: it then be in the US national interest to end

1089
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 6: the siege of Gaza, create a Palicity estate so that

1090
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Speaker 6: this conflict ends, so that the traffic flows more freely

1091
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Speaker 6: through the Suez Canal.

1092
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Speaker 3: Therefore, that's a good point.

1093
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Speaker 6: Apak is actually the one that is undermining US national security.

1094
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Speaker 5: That's a good point.

1095
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Speaker 6: Anybody associated with them who's not an American citys and according

1096
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Speaker 6: to Pool, should be deported.

1097
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 4: Like in fairness to Pool and that I've been on

1098
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Speaker 4: a show and I don't really have anything against him,

1099
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Speaker 4: but in fairness to him, I think what he was

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Speaker 4: trying to do is explain the administration's point of view

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Speaker 4: on this.

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Speaker 5: But I don't think that.

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Speaker 3: I doubt that's.

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Speaker 6: Actually I think there their point of view is Canary

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Speaker 6: Mission or one of these other organizations gave us the

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Speaker 6: name Rumesa ods Tark and we arrested her.

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Speaker 3: Done, that's it. Yeah, we do what we're told.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 4: Suez Canal, that's just that's that's the it's like washer happens,

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Speaker 4: live drinking game, the little Neon sign in the corner

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Speaker 4: of Suez Canal from here on out.

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Speaker 5: I know you're probably watching this around noon there.

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Speaker 4: One pm at your ask, but it's it's gonna every

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Speaker 4: time you here that you drink incredible stuff.

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Speaker 8: H m hm