1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Alexis Code Dame Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Hurdling headlong toward the end 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: of two to the beginning of twenty three, and shout 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: out to all the long time listeners who have been 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: there with us since the pre YouTube days. As Matt 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: likes to point out, we got our start on Apple 14 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: Video Podcast, which is increasingly becoming like our album came 15 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: out on eight track, those big car phones, remember those? Yeah, 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: it's like that. And with with this we have once 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: again put in some time in our continuing mission to 18 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: hear about uh the best part of the show, you 19 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: and your fellow conspiracy realists. Today we're going to talk 20 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 1: about the ancient question regarding the effects of the moon. 21 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: It's gravitation, it's folklore, effects on the human body and society. 22 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: We're also going to encounter some questions about folklore in Appalachia, 23 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: in the southern US and East Tennessee and specific uh 24 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: and this might be a fun one because spoilers. Some 25 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: other folks have written to us via email regarding strangely 26 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: similar things. I guess it's just that time. But before 27 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: we do all of that, we have I have to ask, 28 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: quite shouldn't for you? Guys? Have you ever heard of 29 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: a man named Nicholas Rossi? No? I know? Uh? Good, good, good, 30 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: I want to say, but we're in for a wild ride. 31 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: And before we start this week's listener mail segment, important 32 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: notice the first third the first act here will contain 33 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: descriptions of uh sexual violence, and as such may not 34 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: be appropriate for all listeners. Here's this story. Fiona writes 35 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: to us and says, this guy beat me here, Doc, 36 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: He'll say any madge to drag this out as long 37 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: as possible. Nicholas Rossi, alleged fugitive, says he was tattooed 38 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: in hospital. Heck of the headline, right, And usually when 39 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: you go to hospitals it's not to get tattoos. That 40 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: those are two things we know, right objectively, but I 41 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: had not been familiar with this guy before this, before 42 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: this story, so thank you to Fiona. It is true. 43 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: There is a man who hauls himself Nicolas Rossi, who 44 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: says that he was tattooed in a hospital against his will. 45 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: But that is just our entry point into the story 46 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: of a man named Nicholas Olave Verden, whom I assume 47 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: none of us have heard of yet. No, okay, alright, 48 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: so so all right, this guy for a time he 49 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: was a darling of advocacy because he was in the 50 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: foster care system and he was you know, he survived. 51 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of people who are listening who 52 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: have been in the foster care system, had a good 53 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: experience or a terrifying traumatic one. We also have a 54 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: lot of really really no bowl foster parents who are 55 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: trying to help give kids a safe place to be 56 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: creative and grow. Nicholas did not have that experience in 57 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: Rhode Island. He actually advocated quite publicly for changes and 58 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: improvements to the foster system. However, if you search for 59 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: him now, whether under his real name, I'll Hverdian or 60 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,119 Speaker 1: his one of his assumed names, Rossi you'll see that 61 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: he is much better known as a sex offender US 62 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: Base who attempted to fake his own death in as 63 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: the heat got too close. The story that Fiona is 64 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: sharing with us is a recent development with this guy. 65 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: UH will go in order of operations here, we'll talk 66 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: about the numerous assaults and then we'll talk about the 67 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: pseudo side again a little word of the day, UH, 68 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about how this tattoo thing became 69 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: a thing. So in January of two thousand eight, in Ohio, 70 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: this person UH offered to walk walk a Sinclair Community 71 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: College student to her next class, and then he pinder 72 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: against the wall and groped her while he pleasured himself. 73 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: And when she tried to fight back, he said, I'm 74 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: almost done. Don't be a b word. UH. And then 75 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: later he apologized and said he couldn't help it because 76 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: she was so beautiful. She said, don't tell anybody. She 77 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: naturally made a police report because as a monstrous action. 78 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 1: Later same year, he is UH convicted under a different 79 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: name of public indecency and sexual imposition for that incident. 80 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: He's required to register as a sex offender. UH. He 81 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: tries to get a retrial doesn't go through because the 82 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: judge reviewing it was pretty sure that the legal process 83 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: had been conducted as it should be. Uh. He then, 84 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: in ten tried to sue multiple people, saying that he 85 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: was deprived of a jury trial. He also sued his 86 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: victim and wrote an essay called My Personal nine eleven 87 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: when he compared her actions, which were essentially resisting sexual assault, 88 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: to the actions of terrorists. On September eleven, two thousand ten, 89 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: he pleads no contest to domestic assault where he is 90 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: taught red handed and media arrests by police abusing a 91 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 1: woman another woman in he November twenty, he gets married. 92 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: His then wife says she's divorcing him and has a 93 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: restraining order. He marries a second time. Second wife divorces 94 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: him due to gross and collective duty and extreme cruelty, 95 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: and then he also threatened her with a blade with 96 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 1: a knife of some sort. In he fakes his death 97 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: not because of all of his rampant abuse and misogyny, 98 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: but because he learns the FBI is investigating him for fraud. 99 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: A lot of this comes from a great regional outfit, 100 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: the Providence Journal. They report this in his former foster 101 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: mother Sharon Lane says that this guy, Nicholas Oliverdian, opened 102 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: twenty two separate credit cards under her husband's name, and 103 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: by he had moved to Ireland because he was hoping 104 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: that this would get him further away from the jurisdiction 105 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: of the FBI, but nobody was really sure where he 106 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: was going. Um In two seventeen, something starts happening in Utah. 107 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: They start processing a backlog of untested sexual assault kits. 108 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: One of them from two thousand eight matches Nicholas Aliverdian's 109 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: DNA and it's from that investigation into the two thousand 110 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: eight Ohio assault. So people are looking for this guy. 111 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: When he faces his death, he tries to lay groundwork 112 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: in the front. He says he had been diagnosed with 113 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: non Hodgkin lymphoma, terrible condition. He also said that he 114 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: also made it public in the media, like he called 115 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: and told the Providence Journal himself that they had to 116 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: publish something about his illness. Then he had someone claiming 117 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: to be his widow calling to say that he had 118 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: died and giving copies of a death certificate or something 119 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: like that. This doesn't hold water. Eventually people start asking 120 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: questions about what happened to him? And so December of 121 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: last year, he gets arrested at the Queen Elizabeth University 122 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: Hospital that's in Glasgow, Scotland, regarding that two thousand eight 123 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: sexual assault. And he got arrested, you guys, because he 124 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: was getting treatment for COVID nineteen under a third name, 125 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: Arthur Knight, not super creative like Arthur and the Knights 126 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: of the Roundtable Arthur Knight, and he was identified by 127 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: ding ding observations of his tattoos, which matched police records 128 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: for this rossy character. Furthermore, scarring on one uh one 129 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: of his tattoos suggested that he had attempted to remove them, 130 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: but not a professional laser job like an old school 131 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: scraping skin off basically and probably stopped because that hurts 132 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: a deal. So he gets he gets caught. H he 133 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: has a bail hearing remotely these are high level details, 134 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: and they grant him bail because they think this guy's 135 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: got COVID. He's gonna be a hospital for weeks. The 136 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: day after he makes bail, he skips the hospital. He 137 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: tries to go via private taxi and he tries to 138 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: source oxygen. I know, and and so uh so he's 139 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: in court and he starts making these I don't want 140 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: to call him ludicrous because he hasn't been convicted, but 141 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: he starts making these um difficult to believe claims. They say, look, 142 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: your DNA matches. He says, it wasn't me all a 143 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: Shaggy from that song. And then they say, okay, well, 144 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: you've got these distinctive tattoos on both of your arms. 145 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: One of them is a red cross above an angel wing. 146 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: Not a lot of people have that, so we're pretty 147 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: sure it's you. And then this guy has it's merity 148 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: to say, throughout the eighteen days I was comatost, I 149 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: did not have free will over my body. I've never 150 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: had tattoos prior to being in hospital. Uh. He He 151 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: also says he has other people connected him with these 152 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: tattoos Tree hospital stay. And then he said, during his 153 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: waking moments, there were many many people in the ward. 154 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: There was water contamination. Uh. And then the sheriff stopped 155 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: him and said, stopped drifting off topic. And you guys 156 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: during this, during this conversation, during this hearing, his accent 157 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: switches POSH received British, we call it, uh, maybe a 158 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: US accent. He says it's because he's oxygen deprived. I 159 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: want to stop there. I want to stop there. Don't 160 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: want a monologue, I know, not at all. This is 161 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: a really fascinating story. I just want to say. There 162 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: was an article that you posted from the BBC where 163 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: one of the headers was accent switched and I was like, 164 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: is this a like what's the word like a euphemism? 165 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: No it is not. No, no, he Uh, he did 166 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: say that. He did say that due to oxygen deprivation, 167 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: he was you know, he blamed it on something else. 168 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: He didn't say that he was losing control of of 169 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: his of his lies. Also pulled an older Providence Journal 170 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: report from February where he talks about the horrors of 171 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: the foster system. So the guy definitely likes the spotlight, right, 172 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: but there is a clear pattern, at least if you know, 173 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: the prosecutors and the victims are to be believed of 174 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: him victimizing women. It says he So you we mentioned 175 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: two marriages or three he had, So this part it's 176 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: a good question that this part is a little unclear 177 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: to me as well. Uh, it's tough because we might 178 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: not know the full extent the guy has gone under 179 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: no less than ten or eleven different names right now. Yeah, 180 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: so there may be there may be other people out 181 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: there who got married to this predator, but it was 182 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: it was at least two. We don't know very much 183 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: at all about the person claiming to be the widow 184 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: would have also been in the US. My question starts 185 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: to become how did this guy get across the Atlantic? Right? How? 186 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: How did he do it while being the subject of 187 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: a federal level investigation for fraud? I couldn't possibly tell you. 188 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: I mean, aren't you on watch lists for much less, 189 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: for much lesser offenses. I mean, I've been detained for 190 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: having the wrong color suitcase, you know. I mean, I'm 191 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: just you know what I mean? Like, this doesn't make sense. No, 192 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: I agreed, it seems um, it's seems like this These 193 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: defenses aren't going to hold water. But it's also it's 194 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: strange because there are a lot of gaps here. There 195 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: are a lot of questions, how did this guy get 196 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: along get along and away with being a predator for 197 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: so long? Again, has not been convicted as we record this, 198 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: so I do want to be careful with that language. 199 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: But the other questions, how did he have the resources 200 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: to do this. Was it income from the various frauds 201 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: he enacted. If that's the case, then how was I mean, 202 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: he almost certainly wasn't using those cards, right because the 203 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: FBI already popped them for that one. I'm just wondering 204 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: whether this guy has any connections, whether he is a 205 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: lone actor. I'm not sure at this point. How confident 206 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: would you say, ben our authorities that this person is 207 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: that Arthur Knight who is the one in the who 208 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: was comatose? Yeah? Yeah, How confident are they that it 209 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: this is the guy? They're extremely confident the DNA as 210 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: a match. Okay. Uh, he also is He also got 211 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: hit with two further allegations. This just happened today. As 212 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: we record on November nine, he was facing two more 213 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: allegations of sexual assault as he continues to fight extradition 214 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: in the United States. Uh, this goes across different state boundaries. 215 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: Let's see. Uh, the Daily Mirror is saying he's sexually 216 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: assaulted twenty one year old woman in Utah, but then 217 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: you'll see other places saying that's in Ohio. This is 218 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: still developing story and it's it's definitely something heavy. But 219 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: I want to thank Fiona for alerting us to this. Uh, 220 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: and then also opening the door for an unpleasant but 221 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: necessary conversation. How many other people are slipping through the 222 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: cracks like this? How many other people make it out 223 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: beyond jurisdiction and managed to dodge interpool long enough to 224 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: continue some damage. Just think about the documents alone that 225 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: you would need to pull off, all the stuff that 226 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: this person has pulled off, Like, you can't just go 227 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: by a name for a lot of purposes. You've got 228 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: to have something right. Oh, they also have his fingerprints, 229 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: like the typical ways you would think of confirming an 230 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: individual's identity. They got him. Uh, why then would somebody? Okay, 231 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: first off, is it possible to do ornamental tattoos like 232 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: this when someone's put under? I guess so with the 233 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: right hand of short But why why why would you 234 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: do that? Well? Yes, that's got to be his narrative, right, 235 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: It's so funny And this is unrelated kind of But 236 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: initially when I heard this headline, Ben, I think of 237 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: the kinds of tattoos that the Nazis gave Jews in 238 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: concentration camps, like what now in hospital we get as 239 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: a risk band, or like a you know, a tag 240 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: of some kind used to be done, or like you know, 241 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: the way you think of like in Stranger Things, where 242 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: like the characters who have been experimented on have these 243 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: tattoos with their like code, or like you know inmate name, 244 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: That's what I think of when I think of like 245 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: I was given tattoos in hospital. M m oh. There 246 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: is a current wife in the picture. Her name is 247 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: Miranda Knight, and she and her husband have started a 248 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: pr business to fund his battle against extradition. Again, this 249 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: is an ongoing story. We're gonna keep this one short. 250 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, fellow conspiracy realist Fiona. Let us 251 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: know if you are aware of similar stories of people 252 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: like this, predators, con artists, so on. We're gonna keep 253 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: our ears to the ground on this one. Will update 254 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: as there is more to come. But in the meantime 255 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: we're going to pause and will we're turn with another 256 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: message from your fellow listeners, and we're back and we 257 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: are going to hear a voicemail left by someone calling 258 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: themselves plaquetos yahya can call me plaquetos um. I just 259 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: got done listening to the first part of the Things 260 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: that Creep around in the night episode and made me 261 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of old timers here in Deece, Tennessee. 262 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: Who um, and I got Min's more off of me 263 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: a little bit. Doo. There's scared to deaths of the 264 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: creatures sounds awful similar to haunts. Um, if you won't 265 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: hear anybody say it around here. Uh. And I know 266 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: a lot, a lot lot of people who place you know, 267 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: bowls of rice or brooms at their doors because there's 268 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: supposedly a Yeah, they feel contilled stoff account things. Uh, 269 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: but they're legitimately concerned about them, you know, showing up 270 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: and doing evil things. Will leave at that. But I 271 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: know Ben talked about having sometimes to the East area, 272 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: and I was just curious if, Yeah, I'd be very 273 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: interested to hear any tales of old timers you knew, man. 274 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: Uh love the show and can't wait for next episodes 275 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: to come out. So yeah, okay, yeah, question, Thank you 276 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: Placuto's it's really really good stuff. You know, we liked 277 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: those episodes where we get to talk about folklore and 278 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: you know, so the supernatural side of the planet, right, Um, Ben, 279 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you plactos mentions haunts which I 280 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: thought I kind of knew, but I didn't understand the 281 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: difference between I guess a haunt and a what what 282 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: I would pronounce haint h A I n T. Is 283 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: that the same thing, that's what That's what Plactos is 284 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: referring to. Yeah, O K A I n T. This 285 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: could be considered most often considered an angry evil spirit 286 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: or a spirit that has been turned to turned towards anger. 287 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: So there may be a sense of vengeance right an 288 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: unjust death. Uh. It can also be you know, honestly, 289 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean kind of similar to an Aswong. It can 290 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: be a an undefinable thing. But plactose Uh, this message 291 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: made my day because it's something that's easy to laugh 292 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: at if you if you have not, you know, been 293 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: in that environment or that community and experienced this stuff directly. 294 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: You know, history is much closer than it appears in 295 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: the rear view mirror. There are tons of folkloric vestiges 296 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: right of ancient cultures, and I think a lot of people, 297 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to put anyone in a box here 298 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: before their time, but I think a lot of people 299 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: forget that the US South, the Southeast in particular, is 300 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: a tremendous mixing pot of global cultures over hundreds and 301 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: hundreds thousands of years. Really because the folks who were 302 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: here before Europeans, they also had this panopoly of cultures 303 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: that are different and distinct and have some overlaps, and 304 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: all of this combined. This reminds me of like UM. 305 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: One example is Hain't blue. Have you guys heard of that? 306 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: You may have heard of it. Yeah, there's a Sherman 307 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: Williams color of paint blue. It's a specific color that 308 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: is supposed to confuse any spirit or wandering spirit like 309 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: this with the ocean. So you see this blue, especially 310 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: if it's painted on the exterior of a house, like 311 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: on the porch like um, I guess above the porch, 312 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: if you imagine like a covered porch. That's very common, 313 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: fascinating stuff to actually have. You know, a major paint 314 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: company have this as as one of their colors. That's mentioned. 315 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: So I want to just really quickly, I wanta jump 316 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: to hants dot org h A I n T s 317 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: dot org uh And they mentioned that. I just found 318 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: what you're talking about ben hants and haunts. It's kind 319 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: of interchangeable. It's it was originally Haint and it comes 320 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: from the Golaguchi people. If you think about in Georgia, 321 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: some of the barrier islands over there, like near Savannah, Georgia. Uh, 322 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: some of the some of the groups of people who 323 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: were brought to this country have that as a belief 324 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: that carried over then into the US. Um they're saying 325 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: it is often a wandering spirit uh often described in 326 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: who Do Beliefs as a similar way someone who is 327 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: quote seeking to chase victims to their death by exhaustion, 328 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: which is a terrifying concept. Well, it makes me think 329 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: of like the Grudge, you know, like that movie The Grudge, 330 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: where there's like a malevolent spirit that is just messing 331 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: with you until you lose your mind. M m hmmm. 332 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: So I want to I want to talk about that 333 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: the protections that you're getting into there with that blue color. Ben. So, 334 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: what our color is referring to is two methods of 335 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: protecting one's home from these things that there's that blue 336 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: and then the other one is uh leaving rice a 337 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: bowl of rice by the door and or a broom 338 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: by the door. And I have found in a couple 339 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: of places, specifically on this website called Keith dots and 340 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: dot com references to exactly how to protect yourself, and 341 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: one of them is these counting tricks. Heard that yeah, 342 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: like putting uh. Like in the old days, they used 343 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: to put newspaper on the wall, the idea being that 344 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: this would also distract the spirit as it would be 345 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: compelled to uh to read this stuff or you know, 346 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: compelled to count the grains of rice. Right, It's not 347 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: the same as in some East Asian folklore where you know, 348 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: like the Festival of Hungry Ghosts, where you appease a 349 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: spirit by ceremonially feeding it. In this case, um, there 350 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: are there are some other analogs in global folklore with 351 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: the idea that you throw out you know, dried beans 352 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: or something like that, in the creature has to stop 353 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 1: and count them, which gives one enough time to escape. 354 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: But uh, but yeah, yeah, that's really cool. They're they're 355 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: saying it would give you enough time basically until daybreak 356 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: because then, at least according to the folklore, these things 357 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: can't attack when it's not nighttime. Well, also with the 358 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: Roma people, Um, there's a community of them that that 359 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: lives in my hometown or near my hometown, Augusta Georgia, 360 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: and they'll build these communities, and they'll build these houses, 361 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 1: and then they'll cover the windows and tinfoil um for 362 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: a period of time because they feel as though they're 363 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: using that to exercise any malevolent spirits. And it's not 364 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: the same as counting, but I would argue that the 365 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: tinfoil has in some way a deflecting power, perhaps in 366 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: their minds. I feel like they would trap them inside. 367 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah I would, I would do that, but you know, 368 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: that's that's what they do. There's also salt, you know, 369 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: that's pretty common a lot of circles. Yeah. But one 370 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: thing plateaus that you mentioned that I think people should 371 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: take seriously, as strange as to me seem to outsiders, 372 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: is that folks who believe in this aren't going to, 373 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: like you said, they're not going to say it. You know. 374 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: One of the colloquialisms for this is the idea of 375 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: speaking something up right, the idea that by mentioning it 376 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: one makes it more manifest in this world. And um 377 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: without you know, about going too deep into my own thing, 378 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: and I don't want to put anybody just uh yeah, 379 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: I like you plactos. I grew up in an environment 380 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: where there were um, there were older people, um who 381 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: were quite convinced about this. There's religious syncretism all across 382 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: the US South. And what I mean by that is 383 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: that people might say, oh I am a Christian or 384 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: oh I am you know, insert modern religion here. But 385 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: you will see a lot of things like root work. 386 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: You will see a lot of things like you alluded to, Matt, 387 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: who do practices uh, and they're they're simply accepted as 388 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: part of UM, as part of a spiritual system. And 389 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: I would say also in their defense, even those of 390 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: us here in this who consider themselves to be very skeptical, 391 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: please do remember that these ancient beliefs which go back 392 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: to the African continent, which go back uh to pre 393 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: Columbus days, those ancient beliefs are also the source is 394 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: of information for a lot of medicines that have saved lives. 395 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: There's you can't throw the whole thing out, you know. 396 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: And as we always say in this show, we don't 397 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: tell people what to believe. But I would just say, 398 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: if you're a stranger in a strange land and somebody 399 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: tells you to watch out for something, even if you 400 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: think it's just some twilight zone and Halloween stuff. Listen 401 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: to them well advised. Yes, if you're worried about a haunt, 402 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: another couple of things you could do. Plant some bottle trees, 403 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: find some bottle trees, plants them. You know, Okay, I'm impressed, man, 404 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: I'm impressed. These bottle trees are another thing that comes 405 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: from the African continent. Again, that's one of the reasons 406 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: that it's wrapped up in some of the folklore. But 407 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: these haunts or hants are supposed to be caught in 408 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: these things, similar to how they get distracted with the 409 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: broom or the rice. They just get physically caught in 410 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: these trees and then again morning comes and like a vampire, 411 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: they're gone, bye bye. Uh. This really interesting stuff. I 412 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: just never heard of it, And I'd love to put 413 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: a call out to anybody else listening. If you if 414 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: you're willing to talk about these kinds of things. As 415 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: Ben said, sometimes it's not what you're kind of supposed 416 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: to do is talk about it. We would love to 417 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: hear your story. If you don't mind it, maybe typing 418 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: it out won't be as bad. I don't know, do 419 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: you think, guys? I think typing it is the same 420 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: as speaking it. I think it is. Yes, you're speaking 421 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: with your mind into practice kind of. I think we're 422 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: in the world of magic. Thought is an action. Okay, 423 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: all right, well do what you gotta, put some salt 424 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: around you, and then send us an email. We'll see 425 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: what happens. All right. We'd love to hear from you, 426 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: so do right in. Give us a call however you 427 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: contact us. Let's take a break here, a word from 428 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: our sponsor and we'll be right back. And we're back 429 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: with and final missive from r C. I'm only saying 430 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: r C because this individual did not give permission to 431 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: use their name. So I'm just trying to be as 432 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: thoughtful as possible. Here we go. My wife is a 433 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: public service worker PSW. I think that's that stands for 434 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: it's like someone that is works in a hospice, or 435 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: like cares for someone in need. Um and worked with 436 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: the night shift at an old folks song. She tells 437 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: me that when it's a full moon, the residents moods change. 438 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: They become aggressive, restless, and unmanageable. Every time there's a 439 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: full moon, she dreads going into work, knowing that it's 440 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: going to be a show her words. I think it's 441 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: weird how the moon can affect a person's emotions and 442 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: or actions. Also, my mother has always referred to a 443 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: woman's minstrual cycle as getting her moon time. I'm not 444 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: too sure why that's the end of the email. Um, 445 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: these are very real things. The moon controls the tides. 446 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: It literally did Herman's how the tides you know, go 447 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: in and out magnetically speaking, So why wouldn't it be 448 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: something that affects us bodily. We know that magnetic fields 449 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: can affect us mentally and physically. Um, I think it's 450 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: no surprise that the cycles of the moon affects, you know, 451 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: our bodies, whether you're a woman, a woman menstruating, or 452 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: whether you're a man. I mean, where do you think 453 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: myths like werewolves come from? The idea of on the 454 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: full moon, everyone goes crazy, you know. The werewolf myth 455 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: is sort of a way of explaining that. Yeah. The uh, 456 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: the thing here is that there's a lot of anecdotal evidence. 457 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: You will also find studies that appear to shoot holes 458 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: in these experiences. But I think it's very important to 459 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: note that these studies often by their nature kind of 460 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: attenuate their scope or narrow their scope such that they 461 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: are not as they they're not looking at things as 462 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: broadly as someone who would be continually in that world 463 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: like you are, r C. I remember one study that 464 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: came out, Yeah, there are multiple one specifically about whether 465 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: or not the full moon influences or agitates rather nursing 466 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: home residents, and they said that they didn't see as 467 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: much agitation. But one thing they're not accounting for in 468 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: this in this study from eight nine is the idea 469 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: of people struggling with dementia or Alzheimer's, which absolutely changes 470 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: the game here for sure. And we know about things 471 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: like circadian rhythm and that I see you chumping in 472 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: the bit to say something, and I'm just going to 473 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: pass it right to you. I'm was going to talk 474 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: about the full moon slash eclipse that just happened on 475 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: election night, which, if you want to talk about influencing things, 476 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: what a night to have a full moon and in 477 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: eclipse that's all so motive be bro Uh do you 478 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: know what what type of eclipse it was? Guys? It 479 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: has a very specific name. I don't but I don't 480 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: want to spoil it. Is that a blood moon situation? 481 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: It is? But it's a specific type of blood moon. Sorry, 482 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: conversation earlier. Oh no, I don't, I don't know. I 483 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: don't know. It's was called and is called in according 484 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: to most places that I've seen a beaver blood moon. 485 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: Oh god, sorry, I heard myself echo through your headphones 486 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: when I said that. That's just funny. Okay, okay, I'm sorry. 487 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put my childish ways behind me. Why is 488 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: it called a beaver blood moon? It's any full moon 489 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: during the month of November is a beaver moon. Also 490 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: believe the full moon in November, at least in this language, 491 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: the idea of calling a beaver moon is that beavers 492 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: are working continuously to build themselves dams for the winter. 493 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: How cute. Uh. The symbolic representation for people who follow 494 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: a spiritual side of it is that the blood moon, 495 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: or the beaver blood moon in particular, represents you'll love 496 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: this man with the election uh connection uh. Quote represents 497 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: a time when people come to terms with information that 498 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: could change their lives, and that comes from a vice article. 499 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: We have things like like like the harvest moon, and 500 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: there's lots of different you know, folkloric names for cycles 501 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: of the moon. Hey wait, wait, wait, well, do you 502 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: know what an August full moon is? Tell me it's 503 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: a sturgeon moon. Isn't that exciting? Like the fish? Yeah, well, 504 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: that's funny you say that, Matt, because that actually leads 505 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: right into what I was about to say. There's a 506 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: study from twenty six, no sorry, two thousand six the 507 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: Lunar cycle Effects on Human and Animal behavior and physiology. 508 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: And I read the abstract. I didn't pay the money 509 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: to read the whole thing, but it's very interesting that 510 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: they talk about specifically fish UH reproduction cycles in terms 511 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: of ovulation and like creating these like giant like you know, 512 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: sacks of eggs or whatever. Um. The lunar cycle may 513 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: affect hormonal changes early in philo genesis. In fish, the 514 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: lunar clock influences reproduction and involved the hypothalamus pituitary gondol axis. 515 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: In birds, the daily variations in a melatonin and UH 516 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: core cortis cortic costune disappear during full moon cycles. I wonder, 517 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: what's that? What that's about. The lunar cycle also affects 518 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: UH laboratory rats with regards to taste sensitivity and the 519 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: ultra structure of pineal gland cells and if anybody knows 520 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: anything about the pineal gland, that is a gland that 521 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: contains uh, that thing that we always talk about the 522 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: Illuminati wants, right, what's that stuff? A drena krone? Isn't 523 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: that in the pineal gland? The pineal gland is considered 524 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: a kind of psychedelic gland. It's like the third eye. 525 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: The pineal gland is what like in discussing psychedelic experiences, 526 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: the pineal gland they say is very important to gland um. 527 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: But here's the last line in the abstract. Although the 528 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: exact mechanism of the moon's influence on humans and animals 529 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: awaits further exploration, knowledge of this kind of bio rhythm 530 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: may be helpful in this is You're gonna love this 531 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: Matt in police surveillance, medical practice, and investigations involving laboratory animals. 532 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: They really just did a mite drop with police surveillance. 533 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: Where that come from? That came out of nowhere? What 534 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: does that have to do with? I mean, no, I 535 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: know what it has to do with the idea that 536 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: people act worse in full moon nights, like oh, it's 537 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: a full moon, gonna get crazy tonight, you know, I 538 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: still believe and I will pause it this forever that 539 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: it just has to do with more light. There is 540 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: more light in general at night when there's a full moon. 541 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: It's easier to see things, it's easier to move around 542 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: and get things done. If you're planning getting something done. No, 543 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what it is, and there's more reason 544 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: to go out. I think, all right, fair, that's fair. Um, jeez. 545 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: I don't really have a whole lot else to add 546 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: to this. Um. I think our c very much for 547 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: bringing this to mind. And by the way, do you 548 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: guys have opinions. I haven't googled this specifically or like 549 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: researched this, but I think it is pretty commonly accepted 550 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: that the moon's cycle does affect menstruation in the I mean, 551 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: and also the idea of women living together there they 552 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: cycle up with each other. Yes, uh, yeah, so a 553 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: couple of things like I One thing I think is 554 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: really interesting about your comment, that is, there's a great 555 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: experiment that happened in Japan where they found, uh, turning 556 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: street lights blue actually decreased incident of violence. Uh. We 557 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: can't escape the fact that the majority of higher order 558 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: organisms on the planet grew up or evolved under the 559 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: gravitational cycle of the moon. Right, there's a reason it 560 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: moves the oceans. We know that. To your Pointnal, the 561 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: science and lore behind minstrel cycles and the moon, they 562 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: might be their own sort of um, they might be 563 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: their own episode because a lot of scientific studies will 564 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: try to rebuke this hypothesis and they'll say they found 565 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: no proof that the minstrel cycle is affected by the 566 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: by the position movements of the moon, But the general 567 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: public is still fascinated by this idea, and I just 568 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: I think without research, to be respectful, we can't make 569 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: a conclusive statement about that until we have read everything 570 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: as well, because it could be very conscious. We're three dudes. Well, 571 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: I think we're conjecturing here. This is the kind of 572 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: stuff that has a lot of roots in lore, uh, 573 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: in folklore and in magic, you know with a c K. 574 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: You know, the idea of like doing rituals based around 575 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: the full moon, and the idea of werewolves being triggered 576 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: by the full moon. I mean, it is something that 577 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: is fascinated, um, you know us culturally for a very 578 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 1: very long time. And I think usually when that's the case, 579 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: there's some like with a lot of conspiracy theories a 580 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: grain of truth to it scientifically, even if we can't 581 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: fully explain it and wrap our heads around up. Well, 582 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: there's always the one there's always the one fact that 583 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: escapes a lot of people. Whatever. They talk about the 584 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: influence of the moon on living things, and that's simply this. 585 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,959 Speaker 1: Humans do not fully understand gravity here in the modern day. 586 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: So without understanding something, how do you begin to understand 587 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: its effects. It's a tough eclipse, you know. It's a tall, tall, 588 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: ghostly milkshake. It's it's all ghostly drink of water. I 589 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: love it now, It's true. Um. But that's what we 590 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: do here on the show is is talk about these 591 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: kinds of things and talk about the science and what 592 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: is out there and available and kind of bridge that 593 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: gap between the mystical and the explainable. So thank you 594 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: rc um for that email. I thought it was a 595 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: very interesting thing to think about. And with that we 596 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,959 Speaker 1: are not saying goodbye, we're saying of what we'll see 597 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: you soon. Uh. Of law is French for see you later, right, crazy? 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