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Speaker 2: the show belongs to you anyway, and you guys had

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Speaker 2: a lot better ideas than I would ever have, And

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Speaker 2: couple of those during the show tonight. We are going

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Speaker 2: to revisit a question that I sort of skimmed the

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Speaker 2: Extra podcast, and then I'm going to talk about big

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Speaker 2: games that don't necessarily involve the preseason playoff favorites, the Alabamas,

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Speaker 1: The world calls.

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Speaker 2: There are some huge matchups on the especially the out

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Speaker 2: of conference college football schedule this year, that I think

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Speaker 2: would even call it a sizeable at this point, contingent

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Speaker 2: of LSU doubters that have popped back up. Gonna address that,

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Speaker 2: going to address I don't know why we didn't start

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Speaker 2: with this guy, Josh Gaddis. You know, we've been doing

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Speaker 2: our series the most important in college football this year,

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Speaker 2: And to be honest, if you're talking about a non

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Speaker 2: I think Josh Gaddis can be right at the top

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Speaker 2: We're going to do Josh Gaddis tonight. All that straight ahead,

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Speaker 2: So let's dive in here. As I said, we were

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Speaker 2: doing the Late Kick Extra podcast this week. I recorded

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Speaker 2: it Donny Columbus. I made a brief trip home over

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Speaker 2: list of questions, and normally what we like to do

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Speaker 2: normally what we're going to title the podcast. This is

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Speaker 2: in Toni's hands, he handles the podcasting. But this week's

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Speaker 2: edition had at the front of it a question about

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Speaker 2: the SEC. It's either a love or a hate. Very

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Speaker 2: few people are indifferent on the SEC, which always made

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Speaker 2: But also you've got the revenue box checked. The TV

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Speaker 2: they are heavily invested with their wallets and checkbooks as

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Speaker 2: The revenue leading to investment leads to demand, and demand

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Speaker 2: Now, eventually, logic tells us, maybe it's Jeremy pruittt Logic

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Speaker 1: And that's really good because pressure.

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Speaker 2: You know the old analogies, it eventually produces the best

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Speaker 2: the surface has benefited the SEC. Alabama has benefited the SEC.

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Speaker 2: Now there's an obvious part to that. Yeah, they've won

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Speaker 1: And so you had all kinds of upgrades.

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Speaker 1: Taking recruiting even more seriously.

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Speaker 2: LSU is a perfect example over the past decade, and

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Speaker 2: So those are just some reasons, along with obviously the players.

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Speaker 1: And so is the passion going anywhere?

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Speaker 2: So the three ways that this conference could drop off

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't be the first time something that looks really impressive

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Speaker 1: You got a life to live.

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Speaker 2: think about that week too, By the way, go look

436
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: at week two.

437
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 1: There's some off the radar games.

438
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 2: You know, there are some games that really could have

439
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: a major national impact.

440
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: I'll show you.

441
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 2: I'll prove it right now that you don't even know

442
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: about unless you've looked at a helmet schedule, unless you've

443
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: just been waking up every morning and studying the helmet

444
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 2: grid schedule. You know, you know in week two, Texas

445
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 2: plays LSU. You probably know Ohio State goes to Oregon. Like,

446
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: there are some big time games, But there's a random

447
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 2: game probably in your eyes unless you're a fan of

448
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: one of these programs in Atlanta in week two, and

449
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 2: it's Auburn versus North Carolina. Both of those programs fancy

450
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: themselves as outside college Football playoff contenders. Both of those

451
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: programs fancy themselves as conference championship contenders.

452
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: Is anyone even.

453
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 2: Talking about that game though? So just it's not a

454
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 2: conference game, mind you, but a measuring stick. Absolutely it is?

455
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: All right?

456
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: How do I broach this topic. I just I guess

457
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: I'll just dive right in. Have you had a conversation

458
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: about LSU lately? Have you made statements about LSU lately.

459
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: Let's remove LSU fans and supporters and let's just let

460
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 2: them watch us talk amongst ourselves. I've noticed there exists

461
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: no common ground apparently anymore when it comes to LSU.

462
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm asking you where is the middle ground? I'm alone here.

463
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: I feel utterly and totally alone. It's just like an island,

464
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 2: and any kind of rationale, any kind of common sense

465
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 2: and logic based conclusions that you've arrived at with LSU

466
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: is met with either you better think they're dropping to

467
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: eight and four or they're going to win a national title. Again.

468
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: There's no middle ground. So the popular cinement, and it's

469
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: growing by the day. That I've noticed is LSU is

470
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: falling off big time this year, like LSU is gonna

471
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: fall way back to Earth. And if I give any

472
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 2: kind of pushback on that, the automatic follow up is, oh, so,

473
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: I guess you think they're going to recreate what they

474
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Speaker 2: did last year. You think they're gonna lose all those

475
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 2: players and just do that all over again. I don't

476
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: remember saying that I hadn't heard anyone say that. I

477
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: haven't even heard most my LSU brethren say that.

478
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: It's just that I don't quite.

479
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: Think they're falling to eight and four. I don't think

480
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: that they are all of a sudden fighting to get

481
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: into the Music City Bowl. So I think probably the

482
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: reality is somewhere between the two, and they're still going

483
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: to be a really good program. I still think they're

484
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: ultra talented. I think Miles Brennan probably is a solid quarterback.

485
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: And I don't believe in fact, let me definitively state,

486
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: I know they're not going back philosophically to what they were. Offensively,

487
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: they're not going to duplicate the numbers they just put

488
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: up last year.

489
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: Let me spoil the ending for you.

490
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: Nobody is not LSU, not Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, nobody is.

491
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: They could do sixty percent of what they did last

492
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: year and have a phenomenal season this year and challenge

493
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: for the SEC West. All these things can be true.

494
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: So I'm on the middle ground. At least I think

495
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: I am right here. And let's talk about this, because

496
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about twenty twenty. Some folks are

497
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 2: just talking about twenty twenty. I mean, they're gonna have

498
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: a tough time this year, but at the same time,

499
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: no one's gonna feel sorry for them. But I look

500
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: at the roster and I'm saying, all due respect to Tulsa,

501
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: It's not like we've dropped Tulsa into Baton Rouge and said,

502
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: all right, have at it, good luck making a Bowl.

503
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: Same head coaches there, you're going to argue, you know

504
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: why you lose a Heisman quarterback? Certainly you do.

505
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of guys have gone off for the draft.

506
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: Yes they have. Well, you lost some coaches, sure did.

507
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, they had that in

508
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: common with pretty much every other championship team in recent

509
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: history in college football.

510
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: You don't always lose the quarterback. But the bottom line

511
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: is you hardly ever bring the same team back. They

512
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: have had a more radical transitioning period, I'll grant you that,

513
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean they're falling off a cliff. So

514
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: I want to address the crowd that thinks twenty nineteen

515
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: was just a standalone product and it was a great story,

516
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: and maybe you even pulled for LSU. But all the while,

517
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: as soon as the confetti was done falling? Where were

518
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 2: we in New Orleans? As soon as it was done,

519
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: and as soon as we stalked Edward's run and we

520
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: sho this video of him walking off the field in

521
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: New Orleans and up the tunnel as soon as that

522
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: was over, So too were the chances for LSU to

523
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: ever challenge for the SEC OR national championship again. And

524
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. So I just want to know

525
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 2: what does regress back to form mean? What does return

526
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: to form mean? Because they felt like a nine and

527
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 2: a half win caliber program per year before this happened,

528
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: even with that offense that was nothing to write home about.

529
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 2: When I say caliber team, I'm not talking about your

530
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: actual record.

531
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about you.

532
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: If you play an average college football schedule one hundred

533
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: times with any given team, what is their average result?

534
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: And I feel like they were.

535
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: Operating at about a nine and a half nine and

536
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: three quarter win caliber as a program even before last

537
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: year happened, so well, a due respect, returning to what

538
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: they were wouldn't be half bad. I think they're going

539
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: to be a tick up from what they were. I

540
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: think their resting point is going to be a tick

541
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: up from what they were so I'm going to tell

542
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: you what changed for last year's team, and I want

543
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 2: you to think in your own mind if you disagree

544
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: with me. Here many of you do, which I'm fine with,

545
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: and I've gone back and forth with some of you,

546
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: not all of you, though, So if we haven't talked

547
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: already and you disagree with me, I'm going to tell

548
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: you what happened last year. You tell me which of

549
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: these metrics, which of these boxes they checked last year,

550
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 2: They're not going to be able to check anymore. Number One,

551
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: there was an administrative overhaul. Scott Woodward came in. There

552
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: was a complete change in the direction and the vision

553
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: of the program. You could argue how much impact this

554
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: had on them last year because it was still pretty fresh.

555
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't think you can argue from talking to people

556
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: close to the program about the impact it's having now

557
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: and moving forward.

558
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: Scott Woodward's not going anywhere.

559
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: The changes they've made in their athletic department, they're not

560
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: going anywhere.

561
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: It's important.

562
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: It's important budgetarily, it's important for getting facilities signed off on.

563
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: It's important for getting staff enhancements signed off on.

564
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: That's a fancy word.

565
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: For adding more bodies that we didn't previously have on

566
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: our payroll, but also a lot of other departments, like

567
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: those graphics that you saw last year that didn't used

568
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: to come out of LSU. So there are a lot

569
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: of things administratively they changed last year. I don't think

570
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: that's going anywhere. I think there was a new implementation

571
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: of program culture last year that was obvious. I don't

572
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: think it was a one year thing. Now this is

573
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: where it's going to be, a remains to be seen

574
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: sort of deal. I guess if you disagree with me.

575
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: I don't have any evidence of this that doesn't already

576
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: exist that I could.

577
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: Bring to you.

578
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: But I feel very convicted in saying it, and I

579
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: don't think we'll have to watch too long this fall

580
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: to see whether that's true or not. The commitment to

581
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: a new offensive vision and a new offensive philosophy, absent

582
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 2: of who's at quarterback, absent of which receivers you have

583
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: or offensive linemen you have any given year, even absent

584
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: of which guys outside of Steve Ensminger we have in

585
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: the offensive coaches box any given year.

586
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: That's not philosophy. Those are people.

587
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: Is the fullhilosophy, which is ultimately handed down the vision

588
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: of the programs handed down by the headman who's still

589
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: there just as he was last year at Oorzaran. Are

590
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: they still bought into the same offensive philosophy.

591
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: I think they are. I don't think they're ever returning.

592
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: I think he would retire and hurl himself in front

593
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: of a freight train before he allowed that program to

594
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: return to a philosophical standpoint that they were previously offensively.

595
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: So I don't think that's changing. And I also look

596
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: around and I don't think they're going to hurt for talent.

597
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to hurt. And this is

598
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: important for recruiting the quarterback position anymore. Let's again make

599
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: this year independent of what we're talking about long term.

600
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: You may believe in Miles Brennan. You may not believe

601
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: in Miles Brennan. But even if you don't fully believe

602
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: in Miles Brennan and he's no better than an eight

603
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: and four caliber quarterback, of course I think you're wrong.

604
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 2: But even if you don't think that Miles Brennan can

605
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: get the job done, look around. They just brought Garrett

606
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: Nussmeyer in while he's verbally committed, but they are in

607
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: it and are going to be in it. I hate

608
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: to break this news to you guys, but they're going

609
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: to be in it for the foreseeable future, for not

610
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: only big time prep quarterbacks but also big time potential

611
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: transfer quarterbacks. It should tell you a lot that they

612
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: didn't go more aggressively after JT. Daniels as it relates

613
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: to what they think about what they've currently got going

614
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: on right now. But if it presents itself and if

615
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: it looks like they need to go to transfer route,

616
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been viable previously because previously ed Orgeron

617
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: calls up a kid who is looking to transfer and says,

618
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: I want you to come to LSU, and he gets

619
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: laughed at, probably not to his face, but he gets

620
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: laughed at because a kid looks at LSU and says, well,

621
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: that's a death sentence, like I want to play on Sundays.

622
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: You guys have been horrible at developing quarterback and skill

623
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: talent for Sunday ball.

624
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Well guess what they saw now.

625
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: They saw now that there's a total change in the culture,

626
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: a total overturn on offensive philosophy. And you don't need

627
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: many more reasons. LSU who sells itself. You just needed

628
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: an offense that also sold itself. You've got that, so

629
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: I don't think going to hurt for quarterback talent. They

630
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: are not going back to Miles Ball. I'm just telling

631
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: you they're not going back to that.

632
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: That man.

633
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: Edwors Roun will retire before he allows that to happen.

634
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: So if you disagree, and I know a number of

635
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: you do, that's why the comment sections are open. That's

636
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: why my Twitter dms are open. I want you to

637
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: give me logic based reasons why this program is not

638
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: going to be able to perennially contend for a college

639
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: football playoff spot, because, to be clear, that's what I

640
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: think they're going to be. I think they're going to be,

641
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: for the foreseeable future, a perennial contender for a college

642
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: football playoff spot. I don't think that losing guys to

643
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: the draft is going to cut their legs out from

644
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: under them. I don't think losing assistant coaches is going

645
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: to cut their legs out from under them. I don't

646
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: think everyone focusing their attention on them is going to

647
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: necessarily cut their legs out from under them. They have

648
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: that in common again with every team that's ever won

649
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: a championship. To some degree, every team's dealt with that.

650
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: They're gonna deal with internal issues. They're gonna deal with drama,

651
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: some you hear about, some you never hear about. They're

652
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: gonna deal with guys going to the draft, guys transferring, injury,

653
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Speaker 2: They're gonna deal with all that stuff. I think the

654
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Speaker 2: foundation that that program is built on now is a

655
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Speaker 2: lot more sustainable for the foreseeable future than the foundation

656
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Speaker 2: that it was previously built on. That's where I stand

657
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Speaker 2: on LSU doubters. All right, let's wrap it up here

658
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Speaker 2: with a continuation of our series that we've been doing.

659
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Speaker 2: It's kind of been about the most important figures in

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Speaker 2: college football. I know Barton Simmons is also doing a

661
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: version of this right now, and he's putting out his

662
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Speaker 2: own list.

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Speaker 1: It's players, it's.

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Speaker 2: Coaches, it's coordinators, it's all kinds of different people. I'm

665
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Speaker 2: not limiting this to just players, but I'm also not

666
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Speaker 2: gonna do Justin Fields or Trevor Lawrence. These are obvious names.

667
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go a little bit beyond that. And tonight

668
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Speaker 2: I want to go to ann Arbor, Michigan, and I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about Josh Gaddis. Josh Gattis is the

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator at Mischigan, and I think about Michigan right now.

671
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Speaker 2: I always think about programs that are making changes, sort

672
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: of like I do a firecracker, and you can think

673
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: about the different kinds. I mean, if you grew up

674
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Speaker 2: where I'm from and knew that there was a fireworks

675
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Speaker 2: stand on pretty much every corner if you go across

676
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Speaker 2: the river into Alabama. Now they're legal in Georgia, but

677
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: they used to not be. You would look at the

678
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: different fuses and not all fuses are alike. Some of

679
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: them you light them and you got to get out

680
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: of there really quick. And it doesn't take long from

681
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Speaker 2: the time that you light that fuse to the time

682
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Speaker 2: that something goes bang. Other times you light that fuse

683
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Speaker 2: and it takes a little while, it's longer, it's got

684
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Speaker 2: a little more burn length on it. And then sometimes

685
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Speaker 2: you light one and then you go hide behind the

686
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Speaker 2: log and you got the fingers in the ears if

687
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Speaker 2: you're soft, and nothing ever happens and it just fizzles.

688
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Speaker 2: And that's the same way a program is. That's the

689
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Speaker 2: same way a change at offensive coordinator is. I think

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Speaker 2: Josh Gaddis is one of the very most important people

691
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Speaker 2: in college football in twenty twenty. But I'm telling you

692
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Speaker 2: right now we have seen hiring. His first season was

693
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Speaker 2: last year. It had some i think promising results down

694
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Speaker 2: the stretch second half, let's say of Michigan season, Everyone's

695
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Speaker 2: sitting around waiting and wondering how long is the fuse?

696
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Speaker 2: Is it gonna go bang? Is our offense at Michigan

697
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Speaker 2: gonna go bang? And if it is, is it a

698
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Speaker 2: three year deal? Is it as soon as he starts

699
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Speaker 2: his second year even though we're replacing a quarterback and

700
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Speaker 2: we're replacing four offensive linemen and we've got uncertainty here

701
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Speaker 2: and there.

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Speaker 1: Is it just gonna go bang? Anyway?

703
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Speaker 2: Is the cumulative effect of this system taking root gonna

704
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Speaker 2: overrule all that?

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Speaker 1: That's what they're wondering. That's what I'm wondering right along

706
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Speaker 1: with you at Michigan. So what I think we do

707
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: know is I think people are pretty fed up.

708
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Speaker 2: With status quo. Now, this is not a criticized Jim

709
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Speaker 2: Harbaugh segment. I think even the supporters of Jim Harbaugh

710
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: probably look around and say, Okay, now, while I'm not

711
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: piling on this guy. We're six years in here. Now

712
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: it's time the program makes the next step. We're better

713
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: than we were when he got here. That's the definition

714
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Speaker 2: of improvement. We've gotten better, but now we want to

715
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Speaker 2: be up there, and we're not up there yet. And

716
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Speaker 2: offense is what's holding us back making big plays, stretching

717
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: the field. People fearing the product that we put on

718
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: the field offensively, that doesn't exist. It needs to exist now.

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, to his credit, understood the problem and thinks

720
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Speaker 2: he found the solution.

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Speaker 1: Solution. Like I said, it's.

722
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Speaker 2: Not always lighted, and it goes bank sometimes it takes

723
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Speaker 2: a little while. So for all we know, as I've

724
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Speaker 2: detailed a couple of times in the last month or

725
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: so on this show, for all we know, the changes

726
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: that need to be made at Michigan have already been made.

727
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Speaker 2: Maybe that change is Josh Gattis. Maybe he, in turn,

728
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Speaker 2: is going to implement a culture in an offensive system

729
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: that goes bang this year, and it goes bang on

730
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Speaker 2: the recruiting trail, and all of a sudden, Michigan looks

731
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Speaker 2: totally different from twenty twenty three and beyond than it

732
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: has to this point. In Jim Harbaugh's tenure. I was

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Speaker 2: over earlier today on our twenty four to seven Sports

734
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Speaker 2: Michigan side, the Michigan Insider. Really fun place, really good

735
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Speaker 2: conversation over there, and I did what sometimes I do

736
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Speaker 2: if I know I'm going to talk about something on

737
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Speaker 2: that night's show. I value your opinion on your team

738
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: more than I value my opinion. You, most cases know

739
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: more about your team than I do. I may have

740
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: some nuggets here and there I pick up through connections,

741
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: but you follow this day today. So I wanted to

742
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: know from the horse's mouths, what are your expectations Michigan's

743
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: offense number one, and Josh gaddis overall number two, what

744
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: do you want to see from him this year? And

745
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: there were several really well thought out, well articulated responses,

746
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: but the general theme was explosive plays. That's where we

747
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: got to get better. I mean, yes, we've got question

748
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: marks along the old line. Yes we've got question marks

749
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Speaker 2: at quarterback, but bottom line is, aside from personnel, offensively,

750
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: we got to be able to stretch the field. We

751
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: don't make big plays, No one cares. We shrink the

752
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: field on ourselves before any defense.

753
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Speaker 1: Does it on us.

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Speaker 2: I agree with all that, and I agree, listen, I

755
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 2: agree it'll be shaky early. They've got a game at

756
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: Washington to start the season. There's a lot of overturning

757
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: chairs out in Washington. Two new staff, so find a way.

758
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Speaker 2: I don't care if you went it three to two.

759
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: Auburn and Mississippi State had a three to two game

760
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: a generation to go. Just win that one.

761
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: But every week that we go through that they can

762
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: stay undefeated this year and get one more week's worth

763
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: of practice and get one more game under their belt,

764
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: they hopefully get closer and closer to an offensive product

765
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Speaker 2: that is viable. And despite having a new quarterback and

766
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Speaker 2: despite having four offensive linemen, if you look deeper, here's

767
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Speaker 2: what I hope. What I hope is at some point

768
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, not twenty one, and beyond twenty twenty, we're.

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Speaker 1: Looking and we're saying, you know what. I remember reading

770
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Speaker 1: a preview magazine about Michigan this year, and I remember

771
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Speaker 1: watching the preview and prediction shows, and no one picked

772
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: this team to do much of anything. And it's because

773
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: they were talking about.

774
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: Don't know who the quarterback is going to be, don't

775
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: know what they're going to have there all these new

776
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: starters in the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: But you know what happened, As it turns out, the

778
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: new system had taken root and it ended up offsetting

779
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: all of these question marks we had. That's a perfect world.

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00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: That's where you hope you are at some point this

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Speaker 1: year with Michigan. But whether it's Dylan McCaffrey, whether it's

782
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Speaker 1: Joe Milton, for.

783
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: Those unfamiliar, those are the two guys vying for this

784
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: quarterback position. It's probably McCaffrey. Look, I don't know. I

785
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: know you guys have your opinion on that. Irrelevant my opinion.

786
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: Here's what I want to know, whoever it is, or

787
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: maybe they use both of them a fair amount, whatever

788
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: it is at quarterback, I just want to know what

789
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: is the quarterback production this year relative to the potential

790
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: of the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: That's going to tell me what I need to know

792
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: long term.

793
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you have a maximum potential for any football

794
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: player on any team. Quarterbacks no different at Michigan, no different.

795
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: So you put Dylan McCaffrey on the field. Is it

796
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: the same thing that we said at times with Shaye

797
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: Patterson where we're watching and we just.

798
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Speaker 1: Man, I know that we and he are capable of

799
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: so much more. Where is it?

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Speaker 2: Don't know if we're still saying that now, If we're

801
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: still saying that next year.

802
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: Then you start to lose confidence.

803
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Speaker 2: But right now I think a lot of people are

804
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: brimming with confidence, and I think Jim Harbaugh is included

805
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: among that group because I think that he believes he

806
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: made the right move, and for his sake, I hope

807
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: he did. That's what we got for you tonight. Now,

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Speaker 2: remember the Late Kick Extra podcast. It's available right now.

809
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Speaker 2: the written review. We'll be back here the same time

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Speaker 2: Sunday night, with Colin directing and with Aaron doing some

816
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Speaker 2: post edits and tiny handling the podcast. I wanted to

817
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Speaker 2: give you guys a quick thank you before we go

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Speaker 2: off the air. By my calculations, which are far from exact,

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Speaker 2: we're probably going to top twenty thousand subscribers on this

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel either tonight or tomorrow. And that's a very

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Speaker 2: very significant accomplishment and it's well ah of where we

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Speaker 2: thought we would be on the channel. And of course

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Speaker 2: we can't subscribe to ourselves. That's all you, that's all

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Speaker 2: you're doing. And so from myself and a lot of

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Speaker 2: other people here whose voices you don't get to hear

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Speaker 2: or face as you get to see, thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: And we plan on giving you a lot more of

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Speaker 2: what you want as long as you keep telling us

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Speaker 2: what you want in the near future. And everyone has

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Speaker 2: every finger that they possess cross that we get an

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Speaker 2: actual football season to talk about. So until Sunday night

832
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Speaker 2: again for Colin, for Aaron Fortani, I'm Josh paid.

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Speaker 1: Have a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: God bless