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Speaker 1: There had been some rough Mondays this season, This Monday

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Speaker 1: today maybe the roughest. Let's get into it. It's Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode nine fifty six, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Budda Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 3: Right at the five hit the end zone for the

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Graelo.

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Speaker 1: Got to share this and I'm not even sure Paul

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Speaker 1: you noticed this. We've pulled the curtain back a little

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Speaker 1: bit here on Cardinals Cover two. When it comes to

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Speaker 1: the end of game and postgame, you ask all assists

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Speaker 1: with some questions and topics to head coach Jonathan gannon Well.

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Speaker 1: I started early on Sunday, and one of the questions

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Speaker 1: what was Stafford doing so well? It auto corrected to Stanford.

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Speaker 4: No stop okay, out of all, out of all colleges

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Speaker 4: or words to auto correct Stafford to Stanford to.

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Speaker 1: A Cal alum. So I apologize here on the air

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Speaker 1: on this Monday edition of Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Well hashtag it can always get worse. It just did.

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Speaker 3: Although I guess maybe if there's one biggrudging way I

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Speaker 3: so we'll see. He seems to have an edge to him.

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Speaker 3: So I like him so far, and he did immediately

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Speaker 3: so far, so good, Creig, thanks for asking.

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Speaker 1: Okay knock on, Well we didn't now, but we need

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Speaker 1: a little levity here to begin this edition of Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover too, because, as we all witnessed on Sunday at

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Speaker 1: That's a five game losing streak and the Cardinals have

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Speaker 1: still yet to win a division game. But at no

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Speaker 1: be talking about that kind of a defeat. Because as

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Speaker 1: But as they say, it's not how you start, it's

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Speaker 3: back cross country after they gave away the football three times. Well,

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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford gave away the football three times, so you

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Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna put it on any sort of

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying that once it a game gets lopsided

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Speaker 1: When things got lopsided. And then you look after the interception, Okay,

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of mistackles throughout the game, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to disagree with that. At the same time,

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Speaker 3: He has the mentality, he has the dog in him,

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Speaker 3: he has the route tree, and without Marvin Arrison Junior

431
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: and teams are devoting extra attention to him, He's still

432
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 3: making plays, he's still producing. And that's when an elite

433
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: wide receiver one does.

434
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Speaker 1: I can't believe, I can't remember if it was Pash

435
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: or Aq on the broadcast, but one was talking about

436
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: the route running of Michael and everyone talks about you

437
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: need that speed as a wide receiver. Now, you need

438
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: good route running to separate yourself or get off the

439
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and then have enough of a space

440
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: to catch the ball. Because there are a lot of

441
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: times in which Michael Wilson is catching the ball in traffic.

442
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: He's got someone hanging on him, he's high pointing the football.

443
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: He's got not only great route running, but he's got

444
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: great hands as well. Ten catches, one hundred and forty

445
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: two yards and two touchdowns on Sunday.

446
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Speaker 3: All right, So if you're Patrick Mahomes, for everyone who

447
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: saw the Sunday night game, would you rather have Xavier Worthy,

448
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: Rashi Rice and Hollywood Brown or wuld you rather have

449
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: Michael Wilson? Would you rather have the guy that gets

450
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: off the bus and runs the four two eight four

451
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 3: to two to two? Say I you're worthy or whatever?

452
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 3: It was ridiculous four to one? Or would you rather

453
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: have Michael Wilson and Puka and Akua? No decision, that's whatsoever.

454
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Speaker 3: I mean those in terms of the gout to have

455
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Speaker 3: in moments and getting the ball down the field against

456
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Speaker 3: physical defenses like Houston or the Rams. Who would you

457
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 3: rather have? I take Puka and Michael Wilson every day

458
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 3: of the week.

459
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Speaker 1: Not very many drops from Michael Wilson this season, and

460
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Speaker 1: there were what a dozen drops on Sunday Night foot.

461
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Speaker 3: Y'all exactly great point number of different pass game. By

462
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: the way, Trey McBride knock on Wood, according to PFF,

463
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 3: has not had a drop this year. And that second

464
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: catch where he tipped it kind of to himself and

465
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: then reeled it in while taking a hit, just ridiculous.

466
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 3: And that's one question I meant to ask Johnathan Gannon

467
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: and we didn't really get to it, but I do

468
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: wonder after two big catches on the opening drive and

469
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: the Cardinals open with that touchdown in their first possession,

470
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 3: you know things dried up for Trey McBride for the

471
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 3: middle part of the game. Was there an automatic adjustment

472
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: by Chris Shula and that Rams defense. I'd love to

473
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 3: know if they started doing something differently, because obviously it

474
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 3: was much more effective, and or the Cardinals just weren't

475
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 3: able to get the ball. Maybe Jacoby Brissaid didn't have

476
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: enough time. We cited all the quarterback pressures, and you know,

477
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: he had to abandon the pocket too often, too quick

478
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 3: or get rid of the football, and it just made

479
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 3: it difficult to get Trey McBride, I'm consistently productive in

480
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: the game.

481
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Speaker 1: Or the Rams said, all right, you're not going to

482
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Speaker 1: beat us with Trey. If you can beat us with

483
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson, and if you're gonna take one away, that

484
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: should open up for someone else. And then you look

485
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: at the numbers and the disparity, and yes, this little

486
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: trivia question for you policy if you read the note

487
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: bring it here we go Sunday night, postgame. Bring it

488
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson first Cardinals player to have at least ten catches,

489
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty two yards and two touchdowns in

490
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Speaker 1: the game.

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Speaker 3: I did see this, Actually I did see it is,

492
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Speaker 3: so go ahead. No, I did see it. So I'm

493
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Speaker 3: gonna let you say the answer, Larry Fitzgerald. It is the.

494
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Speaker 1: Interesting two thousand and seven, but against the Rams, oh

495
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: eleven catches, one hundred and seventy one yards and two touchdowns.

496
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Speaker 3: That's when the Rams were in the dome right in

497
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Speaker 3: Saint Louis. Yes, those were the good old days of

498
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 3: Rams football where you could hear the phone ring on

499
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: the Rams sideline because there were like twenty thousand people

500
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 3: in that Edward Jones Dome and it was dark and

501
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 3: they're on the way out, and the moving buses were

502
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: idling outside outside the stadium. I mean that was and

503
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: then the other aspect of that that Oh my god,

504
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 3: sh I just lost what I was going to say

505
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: about the Michael Wilson and some of the games that

506
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 3: he had. All Right, Craig, you take it. I just

507
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: lost my thoughts, dang it. Two thousand and seven. I

508
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: believe those were the Jeff Fisher years for the Rams

509
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: where you finish eight and eight to quote Bruce Arians

510
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: once a time.

511
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: It's without naming names. But yeah, again small, I get

512
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: it's a small sample size, but still three games, and

513
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: it's easy to make the correlation or make the connections

514
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: of go, okay, well, you have a wide receiver one,

515
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: but then you have a wide receiver one that comes back,

516
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: and how do you figure out Marvin and Michael on

517
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: the field together and incorporate Trey again, I don't know

518
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: what the answers are, and then hopefully at some point

519
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: you get a run game going. So it's not pass

520
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: heavy because another forty plus pass attempt game for Jacoby Brissette,

521
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: and we go back the one win that Jacoby does

522
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: have this season. He had thirty one pass attempts against

523
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys.

524
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Speaker 3: So it's a great point.

525
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: It's the offense because it's the only way to be

526
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Speaker 1: able to move the ball up and down the field,

527
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: but it's not sustainable and it's not winning football. You

528
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: need somewhat of a run game, and the Cardinals just

529
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: don't have it right now.

530
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Speaker 3: It's a great point. The one game, the only game

531
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Speaker 3: for Jacoby Brissett as a starter where the run and

532
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: pass attempts were somewhat equal was the one game they

533
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: were victorious and it was decisive. So that's a brilliant

534
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: point right there. Here was the point I lost earlier.

535
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 3: Poka Nakua just had his first career two touchdown game. Really,

536
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: Pooka nku has already been a pro bowler his first

537
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: career two touchdown game. That's what the stats said afterwards.

538
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: And I found that remarkable. I think it's twofold. It's

539
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: just what is he Trey McBride, how capable the Rams

540
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 3: offense is, how diverse in the weapons. But I just

541
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: thought that was that was interesting and it shows you

542
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: the Pooka Nakua still has upside. And and I don't

543
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: know how you feel, but Michael Wilson, I mean he

544
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: is not maximized his upside either. I mean there's still

545
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: more under the hood when it comes to Michael Wilson.

546
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: And that's what you can say positive about this team

547
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: moving forward as lessons learned or something that you can

548
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: bank on moving forward, and that is Michael Wilson, because

549
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: when targeted, he's gonna make teams pay. And if he's

550
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: not targeted, well, you're not gonna lose him because he's

551
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: very good in the run game, might be the best

552
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: blocker among the pass catchers that this team has, because

553
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: he is making sure that whatever snaps he does get,

554
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: he's making the most out of him. I did notice

555
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: that there was a stretch there where he came out

556
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: of the game and he talked about this a week

557
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: ago Monday, about just the not only the physical strain,

558
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: but the mental strain. When you are wide receiver one,

559
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: knowing you're going to get all the targets and the

560
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: attention that is placed upon you, it's exhausting. And this

561
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: is the first time that Michael has experienced that to

562
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: where Okay, yeah, maybe you'd like to play one hundred

563
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps, but kind of like Trey McBride,

564
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: sometimes you need to hit your chest and tap yourself

565
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: out just to catch your just to catch a breath

566
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: a little bit.

567
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: I mean, he had sixteen targets. You know, since week eleven,

568
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: Michael Wilson leads the NFL in receptions and receiving yards

569
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: thirty nine for four eighty one. That is remarkable. So

570
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: it tells you how productive, how prolific he has been.

571
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: You know, you wonder if you go back to the

572
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: Tampa game and that fateful fourth and one where the

573
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: Cardinals didn't convert and then Trey McBride beat himself up

574
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: for not finishing his block, Well, think of all the

575
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: snaps Tray McBride gets, and think of all the routes

576
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: he has to run at top speed, just to get separation,

577
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: just get away from double coverage and extra attention. So

578
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: when it comes to the run game and the blocking,

579
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: you know what, you might not get a guy blocking

580
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: to the ground with ultimate effort every single time. Now

581
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: in fourth and one, you gotta have a moment. That's

582
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: why he was hard on himself. But don't think the

583
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: Cardinals aren't missing Tip Ryman, Travis Voclex, those guys who

584
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: can do some of that dirty work. And after Michael

585
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: Wilson against the Rams, look at the rest of the

586
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: Cardinals receivers who were in uniform. Andre Baccelli his first

587
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: career start, somebody named Jalen Brooks who actually looked good

588
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: and flashed. He really did special teams as well returning kicks.

589
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: So I mean no Greg dortch Zay Jones done for

590
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: the year. I mean it was Michael Wilson and a

591
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: bunch of guys who you normally only see in August,

592
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: and so it brings a lot of pressure to your point.

593
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: When you're are wide receiver one in that situation, you.

594
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: Bring up Greg Dort. She was placed on ir on

595
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: Saturday with a chest issue, could mean that he has

596
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: done for the season. He's got to miss four games

597
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: and Sunday was game number one. The twentieth different player

598
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: on IR now, as Jacoby Brissett said postgame, they call

599
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: that the NFL, and no one likes to talk about

600
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: it as far as coaches players. Injuries are a part

601
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: of it. But that's a heavy number when you talk

602
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: about the number of players on IR, and that includes

603
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: the players who have been designated to return that haven't returned.

604
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: And then on Sunday you lose Balall Nichols and Jalen

605
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: Thompson on defense. Oh, Paris Johnson Junior didn't finish the

606
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: game because of a knee. Although I'm gonna say this

607
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: as a positive, he didn't leave the field. He stayed

608
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: on the sideline. He didn't go into the locker room. Again,

609
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was him, much like Jacoby saying, no,

610
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: I want to be with my teammates, because he did

611
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: kind of walk off by himself and then sit down

612
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: on that offensive line bench while the game was in progress.

613
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: But typically sometimes you get hurt your head into the

614
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: locker room for further test.

615
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: A little later, he had a brace on it and

616
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: he was actually sort of testing it out doing a

617
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: couple of pass sets against guys and trying to put

618
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: some pressure on it. And so for what it's worth,

619
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: but you're right, he wasn't immediately leaving on a cart,

620
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: didn't immediately go to the locker room get into you know,

621
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: street clothes. So whatever that means, I have have no idea.

622
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: But look, going against Houston, Danielle Hunter and Will Anderson

623
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: Junior and you don't have your franchise left tackle, Okay,

624
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: that gives you pause. There's no doubt about it. It's

625
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: sort of like not having Walter Nole in the third

626
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: right now. I mean, let's be honest, there have been

627
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 3: two guys who have consistently affected the quarterback. It's been

628
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: Josh Sweat and when he's played it's been ninety seven

629
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: the first round rookie Walter Nole in the third. And

630
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: it's just been very difficult for other guys to specially

631
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: get wins in pass rush downs. And so you've got

632
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: to figure that out. And guess what, CJ. Stroud. You

633
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: saw his escapability against the Chiefs on Sunday night. It's

634
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: no joke. I mean, he doesn't like to run. He's

635
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: not a run first quarterback at all. He's not a

636
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, but when he does have to run man,

637
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: he has a lot of escapability to his game.

638
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: As good as the Rams are offensively, and they are

639
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: very very good, and the lopsided numbers not only on

640
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: the scoreboard, but as far as total yards, rushing yards

641
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: and first down and all of that, it's third down

642
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: if you're a defensive quarter to Nick Rolis and even

643
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon as a defensive first head coach, you're looking

644
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: at where this team can get better over these last

645
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Speaker 1: four games. It's can we get to third down? Can

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Speaker 1: we get to an obvious passing situation to where Josh

647
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Speaker 1: what is not playing as few snaps as he was,

648
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Speaker 1: because there were just enough opportunities, but only one third

649
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Speaker 1: down in the first half, and the Rams went to

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Speaker 1: a four on third down in the third quarter. But

651
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Speaker 1: there was a stretch in which the Rams I believe

652
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Speaker 1: it was thirty two plays between the first and third

653
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Speaker 1: quarters yep, in which they did not face a third down. Now,

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Speaker 1: when they did face a third down, they scored a

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Speaker 1: touchdown that Blake Korum or the Kolbe Parkinson touchdown catch

656
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Speaker 1: to begin the third quarter was on third and goal,

657
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Speaker 1: but here's one thing where the defense for again regardless

658
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Speaker 1: of who's on the field, but get the opponent to

659
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Speaker 1: third down, and it just didn't happen enough defensively for

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Speaker 1: this Cardinals team. And again it's why, again the numbers

661
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Speaker 1: look like they do.

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Speaker 3: And that's where the Nick Rowlis scheme is at its best,

663
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Speaker 3: right when you can do seven along the line of scrimmage,

664
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Speaker 3: when you can dial up some of these exotic looks

665
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Speaker 3: and really put stress on both the quarterback and the

666
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Speaker 3: play caller and the brain of Matthew Stafford in his

667
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Speaker 3: offensive line. Who's coming, who's dropping? Stafford sighted that a

668
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: year ago just how unconventional the Cardinals' scheme can look

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Speaker 3: at times when studying them on film. So what's the

670
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: best way to negate that. Don't even get to third down,

671
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Speaker 3: don't allow them to get into obvious pass downs where

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Speaker 3: you can try and dial some up some of that

673
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 3: insanity would and you know what, they did an excellent

674
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Speaker 3: job game planning. Clay As Campbell said it as locker

675
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Speaker 3: to the media quote, it's a pleasure to play against

676
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 3: brilliant minds. That was going into the game calling McVeigh

677
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Speaker 3: and Stafford brilliant minds in an elite arm talent and

678
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: elite brain is Nick Rowlis just drive Matthew Stafford and

679
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: the Cardinals had stuff in place. You know, they knew,

680
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Speaker 3: and they're gonna play him again, and a lot of

681
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Speaker 3: its just you keep your eyes on Budda Baker and

682
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Speaker 3: Jalen Thompson and you know, and they'll sort of play

683
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Speaker 3: the underneath stuff in the hooks and the hashes, trying

684
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: to look for that quick game. And and so there's

685
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Speaker 3: that cad mouse. But again, you when it's second. In short,

686
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: the entire playbook is open, and so you can't gravitate

687
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 3: towards tendencies as a defense. And at that point, especially

688
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 3: with Stafford and his ability to quickly read and react

689
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Speaker 3: and get the ball, spread it around to guys like

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Speaker 3: Parkinson and keep a defense honest in that way. And

691
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Speaker 3: then with a two headed running attack, and they've solidified

692
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: their offensive line and they they're playing a lot better

693
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Speaker 3: lace according to a Q Shipley. So look, Sean McVay

694
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: has had his best teams when he's had a good

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Speaker 3: offensive line. They didn't do a dang thing until they

696
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: got Andrew Whitworth and then they won a Super Bowl

697
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: and so everything you know Aaron Donald and company did

698
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: when the Rams have had an offensive line, to me

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Speaker 3: that that's when they've been their most formidable.

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Speaker 1: I believe the only free rusher that I can remember

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Speaker 1: was Zavin Collins coming up the middle, And even when

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals had an opportunity, Stafford, who's not very mobile,

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Speaker 1: did just enough to buy a little bit more time

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Speaker 1: and get the football out. And when he sends his pressure,

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Speaker 1: he's throwing that football and more times than not he's

706
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Speaker 1: completing it. But when he feels any sense of pressure,

707
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: he is getting that ball away. So again he's tough

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00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: to get down anyway, but you're only pressuring him on what,

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Speaker 1: according to Pro Football, focused five times on thirty one dropbacks.

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00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: But again it goes back to how many times did

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Speaker 1: you really have a known pass to pressure him? It

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Speaker 1: just wasn't enough in that game.

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Speaker 3: In his eyes. He talked to some of the DB's,

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Speaker 3: you know, they're always reading the eyes, especially the safeties,

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Speaker 3: and he's excellent at looking one way and then eventually

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Speaker 3: coming back the other way looking off those safeties or oh,

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00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 3: I don't know, a no look, or maybe he'll drop

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00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: the arm, angle down, get that ball through into a

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Speaker 3: tight window the most traditional quarterbacks would never even attempt,

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Speaker 3: but he has the arm talent and the arm angle

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Speaker 3: to get it through some of the passing lanes. So

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Speaker 3: it's a big test. It's one of the reasons he's

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Speaker 3: the primary candidate to win NFL MVP this year. And

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Speaker 3: he put on a clinic.

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Speaker 1: As Jonathan Gannon said postgame quote, they were better than

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00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: us in every facet. It's very humbling. It's not okay.

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Speaker 1: It's not acceptable. You know what else is not acceptable,

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Speaker 1: Paul to go this long and not have the Angry

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00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: Bird Award winner announced here on this Monday following when

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals lost the Rams but again win, lose, draw.

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Speaker 1: We we wait what you decide? Who is the Angry

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Speaker 1: Bird Award winner.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it's. I know it's captain obvious.

734
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Speaker 3: But when a dude has his third game with ten

735
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Speaker 3: catches and one hundred plus receiving yards in the last

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Speaker 3: four and the only one he didn't was the only

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Speaker 3: game he wasn't wide receiver one, and he didn't get

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Speaker 3: very many targets, and he had had zero career games prior.

739
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Speaker 3: But he's finally getting an opportunity. What's the eminem song, right,

740
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: you know, to make the most out of your chance,

741
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 3: or that you lose yourself whatever. That song is an

742
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: eminem guard so close to me, Well, you.

743
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Speaker 1: Can do it, dang it.

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00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: I shouldn't research that beforehand. Cody's in there laughing as

745
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: he rightfully should. The wife is up in arms right

746
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Speaker 3: now because she's from the d the three to one three.

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Speaker 3: Michael Wilson is the Angry Bird Award winner, and you

748
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Speaker 3: know what, we might have to break our rule and

749
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Speaker 3: actually give him the physical award because there's a nice

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Speaker 3: fluffy stuffed animal angry bird underneath the helmet. And when

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Speaker 3: I came off the field after doing the postgame interview,

752
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: it was sort of a family event out there after

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Speaker 3: the game. And Michael Wilson, you forget football. You couldn't

754
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 3: believe how proud he was to be holding his three

755
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: month old daughter. I mean, just you know, the sight

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Speaker 3: of him and the smile in his face had nothing

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00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: to do with his two touchdowns and that production. But

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00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: as the players say, you know what, you go home

759
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: to your family and your kids, and it helps you

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Speaker 3: with the mentals of dealing with a losing streak and

761
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Speaker 3: a lopsided loss, and to see him in his glory

762
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: with his newborn or least infant daughter was great stuff.

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Speaker 3: And so for all the above, guess what he gets

764
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Speaker 3: the Angry Bird Award. It is a.

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Speaker 1: Job, but there is no better job than being a parent.

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Speaker 1: And we can speak on that from experience, Paul, because yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can. You remember those days when you were a

768
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Speaker 1: new father. And again, doesn't matter what happens during the day,

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Speaker 1: and everything comes back to that individual who will look

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Speaker 1: you in the eye without saying a word, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, nothing else matters.

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Speaker 3: Free advice, Michael. Enjoy it right now, because when she

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Speaker 3: turns sixteen and she gets her license and she wants

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Speaker 3: a car and you're looking at car insurance, I'm just

775
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: sharing for a friend around here, not that I'm going

776
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: through it anything like that. Right now, Like I said,

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Speaker 3: enjoy it in this moment. It doesn't get any better.

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Speaker 1: Or when they come back for thanks Giving break after

779
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: going off to college and they want the keys to

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Speaker 1: the car and say, see you going to hang out

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Speaker 1: with my friends. I'll catch you guys later.

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Speaker 3: But wait, I thought we were gonna hang out some

783
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Speaker 3: dad and daughter time. Seeing dad, I'm out of here.

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Speaker 1: Oh those were the days. And you know what, that's again,

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Speaker 1: I think we needed that.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I like that visual because we need

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Speaker 1: that here on a Monday after what we experienced on

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Speaker 1: a Sunday. So we'll done on your part.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's tough. Don't think it doesn't wear

791
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 3: in the players. Don't think they're just punching the clock

792
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: and showing up on Monday for a game check. It

793
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: wears on guys. It it matters to guys. I saw

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00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: it in the locker room right after the game. We're

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Speaker 3: the first members of the media in there. It's it

796
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: really is vexing, and you know, mentally it takes a toll.

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Speaker 3: And so I mean these guys, that's why I hesitate

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00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: to go with a lack of effort or intensity physicality,

799
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Speaker 3: because you see and how much it means to them,

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Speaker 3: how much a weares on them. So you just hope

801
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: they can figure something out here down the stretch and

802
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 3: put something on film. As you like to say, Craig,

803
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: and you're so accurate. Momentum doesn't carry over, but confidence does.

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00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of young guys playing right now.

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00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: Hopefully they can take this last month, they get some

806
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 3: significant confidence they can take into the off season.

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Speaker 1: Four more opportunities, beginning next Sunday in Houston. Good thing

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Speaker 1: the NRG Stadium is covered, correct, Paul, You do enough

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Speaker 1: to worry about the weather in Houston, that is true.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if the roof opens. I found out

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Speaker 3: this year for the first time the Colts Stadium roof. Well,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know what it opened. It did, so I

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Speaker 3: don't know what we're in store for in Houston. I

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Speaker 3: have my eyes. I'm trying not to look at it.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to take it one game at a time.

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Speaker 3: At Cincinnati in a couple of weeks, Oh, that could

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Speaker 3: be a problem.

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Speaker 1: We'll hopefully get to that point where the weather it'll

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Speaker 1: be nice for you in Cincinnati late December. On that notes,

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Speaker 1: we will put a lid on This edition of Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Hyundai, partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: has always been so thanks to our executive producer Joe

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Speaker 1: mamhndre our associate producer Cody Fincher. For Paul Calvic, I'm

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Speaker 1: Craig Raldu. We'll talk to you next time here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two