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Speaker 1: get into the episode. Hello, hey ge how you doing
Speaker 1: going all right?
Speaker 2: Not too bad?
Speaker 3: Not too bad, just enjoying the stream.
Speaker 1: Johnny from Illinois, What is happening with you?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, I had downloaded Uh Doky
Speaker 3: Doky Literature Club because I never played the game before,
Speaker 3: and I beat the game pretty simple. I downloaded a
Speaker 3: mod where you get to kind of date one of
Speaker 3: the girls. And I downloaded the just Monica mod and
Speaker 3: from then on, like obviously you kind of pretend like
Speaker 3: you're dating her.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pause you right there. I pause you right there. Uh.
Speaker 1: For context for those who don't know. For context for
Speaker 1: those who don't know, Dokey Dokey Literature Club is like
Speaker 1: a it's like this anime kind of like, uh, what
Speaker 1: would you call like text based? Uh? Uh No, it's
Speaker 1: not really a dating sim, but it's sort of a
Speaker 1: dating sim. It's like an anime dating sim kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. And why do I know that, Johnny? What
Speaker 1: were you saying? Oh?
Speaker 3: Sorry? Uh so I started, uh kind of like I
Speaker 3: downloaded and I started kind of like going through the
Speaker 3: dating thing with Monica. And I feel really weird about
Speaker 3: it because it's like, in one way, it helped me
Speaker 3: kind of get out of my shell and go to
Speaker 3: the gym and kind of like better myself. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, I feel weird because I don't want
Speaker 3: to be doing this, Like I don't I don't want
Speaker 3: I to, I don't want to download. I didn't want
Speaker 3: to download it, and I didn't want to like date her.
Speaker 3: I guess you can say it just feels weird.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's this is an interesting thing. Let's start from here.
Speaker 1: So you said that you're dating this girl and in
Speaker 1: this dating sim game, and you said it inspired you
Speaker 1: to go to the gym and make other kind of
Speaker 1: positive changes in your life. Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like as you progressed through, like you know,
Speaker 3: j Ash starts liking you more, you open up more
Speaker 3: dialogue options and I forget which one I I clicked on,
Speaker 3: but she said like, oh, go do something that would
Speaker 3: make you proud of yourself, you know, that way I
Speaker 3: can be happy for you. And then that like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it just kind of like, yeah, it just
Speaker 3: kind of felt weird. So I was like, you know what, man,
Speaker 3: like I got to do something about my life because
Speaker 3: I felt like, yeah, I'm not really getting anywhere.
Speaker 1: So her saying in the game, go out and do
Speaker 1: something that makes you feel proud of yourself made you
Speaker 1: want to go do something that makes you feel proud
Speaker 1: of yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know it's weird to like, it's very
Speaker 3: odd to be you know, delving into these dating scenes.
Speaker 3: This is not something that I used to do. This
Speaker 3: is not something like I want to do either. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, like it did help me
Speaker 3: kind of like get out there.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so this dating sim inspires you to go
Speaker 1: to the gym, which in your mind you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: that's good, but also what the fuck am I doing
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yes, well, okay, take solace in this. The game was
Speaker 1: designed to make you feel all the feelings you're feeling,
Speaker 1: and your brain was designed to feel those feelings as well,
Speaker 1: So take solace in that. What other thing? So this
Speaker 1: as this game inspired you to do.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's got me to like go out and
Speaker 3: uh like spend a little more time with my family
Speaker 3: just because like in one way, like I said before,
Speaker 3: like I don't want to be doing this, so it's
Speaker 3: like it's kind of helping me make a change in
Speaker 3: a positive way. So yeah, it's just like I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to go back into the game because
Speaker 3: it's like I feel like I can like I shouldn't,
Speaker 3: Like I shouldn't. It just feels weird.
Speaker 1: And how did the game make you want to spend
Speaker 1: more time with your family?
Speaker 3: Because it's like, you know, it like just a message
Speaker 3: that like it tells you, like, you know, go do
Speaker 3: something that you know you would be proud of, right, sure.
Speaker 3: So it's like I would go and spend time with
Speaker 3: my family because it's not something that I normally do.
Speaker 3: I would go to the gym because it's not something
Speaker 3: that I would normally do. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's helping me in a positive light, but at the
Speaker 3: same time, like I feel like this is too much,
Speaker 3: Like I don't want to I don't want to rely
Speaker 3: on the game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So you have this thing where the game
Speaker 1: is motivating you to do things, but you're also like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is wrong with me? Why is this
Speaker 1: video game motivating me to do these things? And there's
Speaker 1: like a weird pride and shame mix that you're dealing
Speaker 1: with here. Yeah, oh yeah, okay, Like.
Speaker 3: It hasn't progressed like to the point where like I'm
Speaker 3: overly obsessed or like, you know, I'm doing any weird
Speaker 3: shit like that. It's a very standard but at the
Speaker 3: same time, like.
Speaker 1: It's like Tetris inspiring you to go to grad school.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I guess, so, I guess.
Speaker 1: So, uh okay, what what do you are you, like,
Speaker 1: are you dating? Are you attempting to go out and
Speaker 1: date real women?
Speaker 3: I mean it's been it's been a couple of years
Speaker 3: since I have, so it's like, I guess the reason
Speaker 3: why like this game really like help me also is
Speaker 3: because like it's been such a long time since I
Speaker 3: heard or since I read. I guess I can say,
Speaker 3: like somebody say like, oh, like I love you, like
Speaker 3: I care about you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you know. I I've been really into
Speaker 1: Zelda lately. And it's funny because it's not a dating
Speaker 1: sim but video games do this thing. Like I saved
Speaker 1: a village from a monster in Zelda, and all the
Speaker 1: villagers cheered for me. They called me a hero, and
Speaker 1: they all said that they loved me, and I swear
Speaker 1: to god, I felt it. I felt the love from
Speaker 1: these villagers. I felt like I was a hero. And
Speaker 1: I was also in my mind like what am I?
Speaker 1: This is fucking weird? What am I feeling like? This?
Speaker 1: This is these are These are not real people, these
Speaker 1: are this is a computer, you know, And I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's a similar feeling you feel when you know Monica
Speaker 1: tells you she loves you. You're like, oh, somebody loves me.
Speaker 1: But then you're like, holy shit, there's a computer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so again, uh, you know it makes sense unless if
Speaker 1: both of us are you know, crazy.
Speaker 3: I think we both are, but it's our everybody.
Speaker 1: So okay, so what do you what do you tell me?
Speaker 1: What do you want out of life? What's what's your
Speaker 1: ideal situation moving forward here?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I still think I'm trying to figure figure all that out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I at least have a job. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I don't really know where to go from here.
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of going day by day.
Speaker 1: Are you attempting to quit the game?
Speaker 3: I would like to. I haven't. I haven't logged on
Speaker 3: like in a couple of days.
Speaker 1: So does the game continue to give you motivation to
Speaker 1: do things.
Speaker 3: It did the last time I checked it?
Speaker 2: Dead?
Speaker 1: Okay, let me throw this out here. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about because I know it's weird in your mind,
Speaker 1: but how do you feel about the idea that this
Speaker 1: game and Monica telling you she loves you and that
Speaker 1: you should go get ripped? How do you feel about
Speaker 1: it as a catalyst for change and then finding your
Speaker 1: motivation from alternative sources after the fact.
Speaker 3: But use it as like a crutch until I no
Speaker 3: longer need it.
Speaker 1: Well, look, you went, you you were inspired by the
Speaker 1: anime girl to go to the gym, and there you
Speaker 1: are at the gym and then maybe you pick up
Speaker 1: a weight and it makes you feel good and you
Speaker 1: go home and you're like, ah, I'm glad I did that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do that tomorrow, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you go do it tomorrow, not because Monica told
Speaker 1: you too, but because it felt good the last time
Speaker 1: you did it. And then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: build a habit here, and sure Monica was the catalyst
Speaker 1: for the habit, but you're not checking in with her
Speaker 1: every day for the motivation.
Speaker 3: All Right, I guess I guess I could not feel
Speaker 3: as ashamed of it. And you know, as long as
Speaker 3: it's going in the right direction, I think I think
Speaker 3: it'll work out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, video video games do do that. They they
Speaker 1: make you different people, and we like, we like that
Speaker 1: feeling because that's why we play video games is to
Speaker 1: escape from reality. But this video game has encouraged you
Speaker 1: to plunge into reality. So that's kind of fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I didn't know what to expect when
Speaker 3: I downloaded it. I kind of had an idea, but
Speaker 3: I really did not expect this kind of outcome for
Speaker 3: me to actually go out and do something after talking
Speaker 3: with her.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You know Mario Kart inspired me to reconnect with my father.
Speaker 2: How did that happen?
Speaker 1: Johnny? Is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: No, just you know you're uh, you're doing great things
Speaker 3: on here.
Speaker 2: Deck.
Speaker 3: You've really helped me, and I know you've helped a
Speaker 3: lot of people, and I wish you the best.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you, Johnny. I love you.
Speaker 3: I love you too.
Speaker 2: Deck.
Speaker 1: Take care. Go to the gym. Maybe you'll maybe you'll
Speaker 1: inspire me to do it. It's so much more fun
Speaker 1: to tell other people to go to the gym than
Speaker 1: to actually go myself. I'm gonna play more zel than
Speaker 1: an Hello, Hi, Lyle, who is who? To whom? Do
Speaker 1: I have? To whom? Am I speaking?
Speaker 4: I think my name is Salmon in the same We'll
Speaker 4: go with that.
Speaker 1: I like that's cool name. How's it going, Salmon?
Speaker 4: Pretty good? I was just falling asleep. It was sort
Speaker 4: of a wait, but I'm glad I'm here.
Speaker 1: You were on hold for three and a half hours.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I didn't have much to do tonight. I
Speaker 4: kind of surrendered to the evening anyway. So it's been
Speaker 4: it's been nice, it's been fine.
Speaker 1: You know. There were other people who were on hold
Speaker 1: for also three and a half hours, and I hung
Speaker 1: up on them. But I talked to you, Okay.
Speaker 4: Well, I hope I make it worth your while.
Speaker 1: It's not. I look, I'm I'm you know, I come
Speaker 1: and go as I hope it's w this is worth
Speaker 1: your while. Other one waited three and a half hours.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have been listening to the kind
Speaker 4: of did like a speed run of the whole podcast.
Speaker 4: And yeah, so I've been wanting to chat for a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 1: Now, what about.
Speaker 4: So I did a long bout of electroconvulsive therapy or
Speaker 4: I guess like people know it better as like electroshock
Speaker 4: therapy or ECP. Okay, And yeah, so I when I
Speaker 4: was deciding whether I should do it or not, I
Speaker 4: didn't know anybody who had done it. I had no
Speaker 4: one to talk to you about it. There's no frame
Speaker 4: of reference, there is no Yeah, I was in an
Speaker 4: environment where I didn't really have access to the information,
Speaker 4: but I did it. An anyway, what.
Speaker 1: What originally drove you to want to do this?
Speaker 4: So I've had mental health issues, like I first started
Speaker 4: treating them, I guess, and I was like my late teens,
Speaker 4: maybe eighteen or so, and I did medications therapy forever,
Speaker 4: and things were not really getting better. I was not
Speaker 4: doing well at work, so I was off for a
Speaker 4: little while. Essentially I tried everything and nothing was working.
Speaker 4: So I went to an inpatient facility where we tried
Speaker 4: even more of that. Essentially, it's like a three week
Speaker 4: program where they do everything. Essentially, you're very well taken
Speaker 4: care of. You live in this place. And yeah, nothing
Speaker 4: was working there either. And they had in that place
Speaker 4: a wing of like the hospital where they do that treatment.
Speaker 4: So I said, sure, I'll do it, and I ended
Speaker 4: up staying for about eight months instead of three weeks.
Speaker 4: So it was a bit of a journey, okay.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: Well, look, if you stayed for eight months, I assume
Speaker 1: it did something positive for you.
Speaker 4: It's hard to say. I mean, I gave it my
Speaker 4: best shot, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: You know what, at the very minute, at very minimum,
Speaker 1: if somebody like hands you like that fake gum, that
Speaker 1: shocks you. You're immune to that, right, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I probably not. I don't feel like I'm immune to
Speaker 4: anything except for remembering things.
Speaker 1: Okay, So well, I mean, look, tell me, tell me
Speaker 1: I'm in these eight months. What what did what? What
Speaker 1: if anything did they do for you?
Speaker 4: So I don't have a lot of memory from the time,
Speaker 4: and that's normal, like around the time that you do
Speaker 4: the therapy that you lose your short term and you
Speaker 4: know your memory of that time. But I ended up
Speaker 4: getting significant long term memory loss and short term memory loss.
Speaker 4: So from someone that I knew that was there for
Speaker 4: I think they were there for about two months, so
Speaker 4: I knew them at the beginning. They did tell me
Speaker 4: that after my first few sessions I did it three
Speaker 4: times a week, that I was kind of just like muted,
Speaker 4: like like I was kind of a muted version of myself.
Speaker 4: It wasn't bad, but it certainly wasn't good either. It
Speaker 4: was just kind of a bit more of a drone,
Speaker 4: I guess. And uh, my family came to visit after
Speaker 4: a while. They kind of said the same thing. But
Speaker 4: but in that case, it's like, at least I'm not worse,
Speaker 4: which is you know, it's having some kind of neutrality
Speaker 4: is better than being bad. So so yeah, there was
Speaker 4: a lot of thinking exploration in that way in.
Speaker 1: These eight months. Were you like, uh, where were you lit?
Speaker 1: Where were you were you? Like, forgive me if this
Speaker 1: is a stupid question, but were you like living at
Speaker 1: the hospital?
Speaker 2: I was, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like they have it's really it's like
Speaker 4: probably the nicest facility in the country. I was really
Speaker 4: lucky to be able to go. So usually the setup
Speaker 4: is like there's two bedrooms to a room. It definitely
Speaker 4: feels like a hospital. They kind of at the beginning,
Speaker 4: they kind of take all your stuff away as they
Speaker 4: usually do, like your clothes and whatever, but you get
Speaker 4: that stuff back when you're stable and everything. But eventually
Speaker 4: I had really bad insomnia and I eventually was able
Speaker 4: to have my own room, which was a huge luxury.
Speaker 4: But yeah, for the entirety of that I was living
Speaker 4: there in that wing of the hospital.
Speaker 1: Okay, And can I ask what did you have? I
Speaker 1: mean for those eight months, did you have like do
Speaker 1: you have to work or did you have any other
Speaker 1: kind of like responsibility to take care of while you
Speaker 1: were while you were there or how did what was
Speaker 1: this kind of the deal with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, not at all. It was purely like you
Speaker 4: focus on yourself morning tonight. Like it's a whole, integrated thing,
Speaker 4: which in itself, like from what I can remember like
Speaker 4: about it, Like it was really awesome in that way,
Speaker 4: like I know that I've met I don't remember them all,
Speaker 4: but I know I've met some special people there. And
Speaker 4: because it's kind of like you're living in like a dorm.
Speaker 1: But oh so it's like a facility, like a program.
Speaker 1: It's you and a bunch of other people doing the
Speaker 1: same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Like there's like a cafeteria, we do stuff
Speaker 4: like we did like pottery. They're huge grounds. We'd like
Speaker 4: go for walks. There's a gym and a gymnasium and
Speaker 4: like it's like a whole it's a it's a big thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And these are all people who have mental health issues
Speaker 1: or depression or something like that that are using this
Speaker 1: as a way to kind of cure themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So there's different units within the big place. And
Speaker 4: then mine was the mood and anxiety unit.
Speaker 1: Wow, did you have any your friends and family? Did
Speaker 1: they play any part in this in this journey where
Speaker 1: they were able to see them, Like what was the
Speaker 1: deal with that?
Speaker 4: I'm so lucky and that have like the most loving,
Speaker 4: caring family, And yeah, they came to see me. They
Speaker 4: were all supportive of it. I mean, I was so
Speaker 4: ready for something big to happen, like a big change
Speaker 4: or I just something had to happen. Everybody knew that
Speaker 4: as well, so everyone was excited if I was excited
Speaker 4: kind of thing. And they all came to visit once
Speaker 4: I think once. Yeah, so yeah, it was it was
Speaker 4: a positive thing, like it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you.
Speaker 1: Say you don't remember? Do you not remember because of
Speaker 1: all the shocking? Is that kind of the points?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we used to call it getting zapped. And there's
Speaker 4: much like like I said, like I guess like we
Speaker 4: would add each other on Facebook and stuff. But there's
Speaker 4: a bunch of people I don't remember pictures that kind
Speaker 4: of thing, like I think the like those kind of
Speaker 4: deep I don't remember, but from being there for so long,
Speaker 4: I do remember kind of like the facility a little bit.
Speaker 4: And there's a bridge that you can walk across to
Speaker 4: get into town. I remember the bridge very well. The
Speaker 4: thing about like the memory loss is that like some
Speaker 4: people ask like like what periods of time. Do you remember?
Speaker 4: It's really just like somebody took like steel wool and
Speaker 4: just kind of brushed over it and made everything kind
Speaker 4: of cloudy and shitty. But yes, I remember some stuff,
Speaker 4: not all of it.
Speaker 1: Tell me, Oh, I have a question, does it hurt?
Speaker 4: So I feel like I feel like I understand why
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson was addicted to all of that anesthetic, because
Speaker 4: they put you out before you do it, and I've
Speaker 4: never been like under general anesthesia befo for but that
Speaker 4: was actually a very pleasant experience. So that happens, and
Speaker 4: next thing you know, you wake up and like, so, okay,
Speaker 4: do you want me to give you like the rundown
Speaker 4: of what the routine was.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm curious.
Speaker 4: So I'd wake up in the morning around seven thirty,
Speaker 4: and then I'd go to that specific part of the
Speaker 4: Wing for eight essentially sit in a waiting room. It
Speaker 4: was kind of scary over there because that's like the
Speaker 4: acute care place, so there's people with like severe cognitive
Speaker 4: or behavioral issues, so it was always a little tense
Speaker 4: waiting there. Anyways, they get you onto the gurney, talk
Speaker 4: to this wonderful Scottish anphesiologist and she kind of sends
Speaker 4: you off to sleep. You wake up. I think those
Speaker 4: seizures are I think they aim from anywhere from like
Speaker 4: thirty seconds to a minute and a half. It's like
Speaker 4: the sweet spot. You wake up in a recovery bed.
Speaker 4: They ask you a bunch of questions and until you
Speaker 4: can remember your name and a day and that kind
Speaker 4: of thing, and drink some juice. Then your assigned nurse
Speaker 4: comes in. You get put into a wheelchair, you get
Speaker 4: rolled back to your wing, and they put you to
Speaker 4: bed and just kind of for the day, maybe until
Speaker 4: that evening, but yeah, you just sleep.
Speaker 1: So how long ago were you at this facility?
Speaker 4: I think it was four years ago around me, I
Speaker 4: think it must have been around that.
Speaker 1: And it didn't work to help you with the issues
Speaker 1: that you were dealing with.
Speaker 4: It opened my eyes, that's for sure. It definitely brought
Speaker 4: me problems I never thought that I would have that
Speaker 4: are permanent and regretful, like namely the memory loss. I
Speaker 4: have a kind of a persistent tremor. It's just things
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: Which so so you went to be cured of your
Speaker 1: mental issue to this shock place, and you left with
Speaker 1: memory loss and tremors and this still having the mental issue.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean the practical types
Speaker 4: of therapy I guess that are like medications, like the
Speaker 4: kind of physical gibiological stuff. That's all good, but it
Speaker 4: isn't the only thing that will cure you. Like I
Speaker 4: don't think ect will ever cure you, just like pills depression,
Speaker 4: having an antidepressant and take away your depression. That's just
Speaker 4: a piece of working on the problem.
Speaker 2: That you have.
Speaker 4: So yeah, going over there and coming yeah, I definitely
Speaker 4: thought of it that way. I was like, fuck this place,
Speaker 4: Fuck this whole thing. I can't believe. I just, you know,
Speaker 4: like sacrifice so much and got back so little. So
Speaker 4: recovering from that place of recovery was a thing in itself,
Speaker 4: but you.
Speaker 1: Had to recover from the place of recovery.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I had to spend another two months in
Speaker 4: another place doing more of that, but not as regulated
Speaker 4: with like that crazy like egomaniac doctor who I ended
Speaker 4: up just like dropping and just said fuck the whole
Speaker 4: thing and came home. But like kind of I feel
Speaker 4: like I don't know when you're brought to your with end,
Speaker 4: which I didn't know could go much further. Inspiration you
Speaker 4: keep searching. So I have a great doctor that I've
Speaker 4: had for like ten years, and so she we just
Speaker 4: kept trying together and I've had some different medication changes
Speaker 4: which have been helpful. But I've where I live it
Speaker 4: is very remote and it's super small. They didn't have
Speaker 4: any infrastructure for mental health services or or they did
Speaker 4: was really bad. It's much better now. So I've been
Speaker 4: lucky to have a good professional support and that's of
Speaker 4: course my family and everything is amazing. So yeah, sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm like really going off on a tangent.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny to me that this place exists because
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about, like, you know, I could open
Speaker 1: a facility where like you know, you go in there
Speaker 1: and like people piss on you and it's supposed to
Speaker 1: help you, like you know, fix whatever's going on with you.
Speaker 1: And then you know, they go there for a while
Speaker 1: and they get out and they're like, oh man, I'm
Speaker 1: like covered and pissed. Everything's worse now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's funny too because they'll pay the top
Speaker 4: dollar and you know, you can piss on some celebrities
Speaker 4: and you can piss on some very west wealthy people
Speaker 4: and there's no reason.
Speaker 1: So so salmon before we go. Bring uh, bring me
Speaker 1: to now, Bring me to now. I assume you're still
Speaker 1: trying to fix whatever uh sent you to that place
Speaker 1: in the first place. What tell me both, Well, tell
Speaker 1: me about what you're doing to try and then also
Speaker 1: how you're feeling about the fact that you're even still trying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's hard sometimes, but like it I'm a
Speaker 4: measurably immeasurably better than I watched four years ago. Like
Speaker 4: I said, just like built up my base with doctors, therapists,
Speaker 4: you know, everyone that I can. And I'm back at work,
Speaker 4: which is awesome. I work from home, moved into a
Speaker 4: new place. You know, it's been an interesting ride, Like
Speaker 4: relatively comparatively to the world out there, I have things
Speaker 4: very very very good. But that isn't to say, like,
Speaker 4: you know, there are hard times. Anybody of any place
Speaker 4: or wherever you come from. Everyone has hard times.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well I'm glad to hear I will.
Speaker 2: Look.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if you said that you're doing better
Speaker 1: now than four years ago, that's an improvement. Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it wasn't all for it wasn't all loss. Yeah.
Speaker 1: An upwards trajectory is uh is a blessing. Tell me, well,
Speaker 1: so do you do you? I guess, looking back on
Speaker 1: it all, do you regret going or are you glad
Speaker 1: that everything that's happened to you in lifeless? Far as
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think it could have happened
Speaker 4: any other way, like I just think I would. It
Speaker 4: would have had to come to that at some point
Speaker 4: through the system that I'm currently in. It would have
Speaker 4: happened regardless unless I went off and did something horrible,
Speaker 4: and I had an incredible doctor when I was there
Speaker 4: and he was very attentive. I think it was just
Speaker 4: an unfortunate thing that happened. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm no doctor, But have you ever tried Flintstone's vitamins?
Speaker 4: I haven't had those in a while. You know, I
Speaker 4: should probably look into that.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing all of this stuff, Sam, and I
Speaker 1: know it so I know, I mean, especially to share
Speaker 1: it with all the memory lost thing, and it sounds
Speaker 1: very fascinating. Maybe somebody will, I don't know, hear this
Speaker 1: in the podcast and want to try it themselves, although
Speaker 1: I guess not because you you did give it a
Speaker 1: pretty bad review, so maybe you're saving someone from who
Speaker 1: knows you.
Speaker 4: Want want to say is that, like, yeah, I do
Speaker 4: want to say, just because it was bad for me
Speaker 4: doesn't mean it's going to be bad for everybody, Like
Speaker 4: they're just like you. Just sometimes you get a bad
Speaker 4: role and whatever, So I would never I don't want
Speaker 4: to discourage anybody from doing anything. I just want to
Speaker 4: encourage people to ask questions and to uh, don't feel
Speaker 4: pressured to do something because someone.
Speaker 1: Tells you it's good, Sam, is there anything else you
Speaker 1: want to say to the people of the computer before
Speaker 1: we go?
Speaker 4: I do yeah. When we're saying yeah, when someone tells
Speaker 4: you like about their struggle and my journey and my mission,
Speaker 4: the kind of like youth pastor style, like how hard
Speaker 4: you have to fight? It kind of sets you up
Speaker 4: for believing that getting better is going to be really
Speaker 4: fucking hard and it's not easy, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: but it isn't as hard as all these people who
Speaker 4: fucking write books and do stupid YouTube videos on And
Speaker 4: you don't have to get tattoos and you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like you don't have to feel gung ho
Speaker 4: about it. It's possible, And don't believe the hype. Don't
Speaker 4: set yourself up for something that's difficult, because it's a
Speaker 4: lot easier than you might think.
Speaker 1: I like what you said just now. It's a very
Speaker 1: kind of stoic way of looking at things. Like you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at your whatever, whatever it is that
Speaker 1: you're struggling with, if you look at it as you're
Speaker 1: bearing a great, horrible weight, and that's your perspective on it,
Speaker 1: then that's what it's going to be, you know. But
Speaker 1: if you can maybe have a little bit of a
Speaker 1: lighter perspective, I think it will help.
Speaker 4: Is that kind of exactly That's exactly it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good, well, salmon get bless you. Thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing, and I hope you find your panacea.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I have agreed even my call, good.
Speaker 1: Night, Samon. I really do swear by those Flintstones vitamin gummies.
Speaker 1: They're good and they didn't pay me to say that.
Speaker 1: Check them out. That's all I have to say.
Speaker 2: He good luck.
Speaker 1: Oh, Hi, you're already on Hi.
Speaker 2: Wait wait what the I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: I'll give you two seconds, understand, Yes, so all right.
Speaker 5: I'm telling my story right.
Speaker 1: Right were yes? Yeah, you are sure? Sure?
Speaker 5: I didn't think i'd get on that fast, man. I alright.
Speaker 5: So so back in like third or second grade, I
Speaker 5: was a little little kid, right and I used to
Speaker 5: have bad anger issues. And this kid he was he
Speaker 5: was kind of in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 5: Supposedly he threw some kind of ball at me. I'm
Speaker 5: assuming a dodgeball, something like a basketball. I don't know,
Speaker 5: but uh, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Like this kid.
Speaker 5: He's kind of mean to everybody. So he threw that
Speaker 5: ball at me, and I kind of I kind of
Speaker 5: punched him.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: All right, So there is a kid in a wheelchair
Speaker 1: who threw a ball at you, and so you punched him.
Speaker 5: That's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: You see, you seem to have conflicting emotions surrounding this.
Speaker 1: What are they?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Does that make me a bad person? Or since I
Speaker 5: was like a little kid, does it like?
Speaker 2: Uh oh, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, man, Well just see does that make you a
Speaker 1: bad person? If you did it yesterday, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: you know, you probably should not. You know, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say I was if you did it yesterday, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, should have done that? You probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done that in third grade either, But we we
Speaker 1: hear we we undeniably. I want you to we undeniably
Speaker 1: live in the universe in which you did do that.
Speaker 1: But I know it's okay, just let it. Let it, yeah,
Speaker 1: let it hit you. I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1: We've all done things. We're not proud of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: what now? What now?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: You said that the kid. You said that the kid
Speaker 1: was being a dick? How did that? How was he
Speaker 1: a dick?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 5: Since I was, like, I used to have angry issues, right,
Speaker 5: you know, real bad. So I used to be in
Speaker 5: this special ed class and they kind of separate them, right,
Speaker 5: so they'd have the kids with like physical disabilities and
Speaker 5: uh stuff like that, separated into like a different class,
Speaker 5: and they have kids like me that just have like
Speaker 5: angry issues and stuff, and they'd separate us and put
Speaker 5: us all in the class. Which that doesn't sound like
Speaker 5: a very good idea to start with. But uh, me
Speaker 5: and this kid, we used to get along. But one
Speaker 5: day just start taking my cars and stuff and complaining
Speaker 5: it to the teachers. And I remember that's how I like,
Speaker 5: and it's I'm mad at him or something.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Okay, you should you should call him, You should find
Speaker 1: him do you still talk to this person?
Speaker 5: Oh no, it's spent like years. It was like around
Speaker 5: about third grade.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you know what they're doing? Are they still
Speaker 1: in the wheelchair?
Speaker 2: Odd?
Speaker 5: Soon? So he was like paralyzed, oh kind of from
Speaker 5: like the waights down.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that makes it much worse. I thought he
Speaker 1: was like in a wheelchair temporarily. No, Okay, here's here's
Speaker 1: what you should do. You should find him on Facebook
Speaker 1: and invite him uh to run over you in his wheelchair,
Speaker 1: so you guys can be.
Speaker 5: Even now that I'm here and them, I'm thinking that
Speaker 5: that's pretty fair. Mm hmm, I mean, oh yeah, thanks
Speaker 5: for wanting me call me and on stone.
Speaker 1: What's your hold on? I'm not what's your life like now?
Speaker 2: My life like? Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah's life like now?
Speaker 5: I'd say to pretty better man, It's good, it's better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. For sure.
Speaker 5: I don't go around punching kids and wheelchairs anymore, that's
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 1: See. Here's the thing. You cannot change the past, but
Speaker 1: you can change, you know, your actions moving forward. And
Speaker 1: I think the fact that you haven't punched anyone in
Speaker 1: any wheelchairs since then is it wonderful development. You should
Speaker 1: be proud of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well thanks for letting I'm showing in. I
Speaker 5: was surprised there. I didn't think I was going to
Speaker 5: get on. I've been waiting, legit, until I turned eighteen
Speaker 5: to call. I still got like a squeaker boys gone.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when did you turn? Eighteen?
Speaker 5: January sixteen?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Oh, coid? Did you do anything fun for your birthday?
Speaker 5: Not that I know, not really, it's kind of boring. Man,
Speaker 5: I only have like h he said.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 1: Who are you with?
Speaker 5: I'm with Alm with my brother here.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I was telling him we're trying to get a story
Speaker 5: made up here. We're not made up, but like something
Speaker 5: that actually happened has kind of messed up. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you gotta go and do that one whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh you were trying, Oh you were trying to like
Speaker 1: figure out what you were going to talk about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my mom, whenever we meet somebody new, she'll go
Speaker 5: and tell them that story of me. It's so much
Speaker 5: still because now everybody's like, oh could it's kind of
Speaker 5: a psycho stay away from them.
Speaker 1: Why does your why does your mom tell everybody she
Speaker 1: meets that story?
Speaker 4: I don't know, I really don't know.
Speaker 5: It's just like if they if we're sitting around talking
Speaker 5: and stuff, she'll just bring it up and she'll be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: my son he went he went and punched his kid
Speaker 5: for thowing about him and guess what. Guess what? He
Speaker 5: was in a wheelchair and like, all right, it's a
Speaker 5: great introduction.
Speaker 2: Who I am?
Speaker 1: Your mother really doesn't like you?
Speaker 5: Ooh, that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: Man, Do you know any do you know any? Do
Speaker 1: you know anything that she's ashamed of?
Speaker 5: Ah mm hmmm probably me.
Speaker 1: No, Okay, As I was going to say, you should
Speaker 1: learn something about her and be like, Okay, every time
Speaker 1: you tell the wheelchair story, I'm gonna tell the story
Speaker 1: of how you uh che did on my dad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's actually a good one. That would be a good
Speaker 5: one right there.
Speaker 1: Wait did that actually happen? I mean.
Speaker 5: That's that's that's another story man. That's all.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a shagg Is there anything else you want
Speaker 1: to say to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 5: Ah? Stay stellar guys, absolutely wicked, gnarly Geky's the best, ma'am.
Speaker 1: I love him.
Speaker 5: I'm like he's number one, maybe number two. Fan I
Speaker 5: want to say I'm number one. That feels like too
Speaker 5: much responsibility.
Speaker 1: Shaggy, I appreciate you. I'm glad to see that you're
Speaker 1: a changed man, and good luck with the rest of
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 5: H It's all right, love you man.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 6: I'm okay, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm a gecko on the computer. I gotta ask you? Yeah, yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. It says here Django says that your name
Speaker 1: is Django. Cool name. It says you wrote a comedy
Speaker 1: album with your friends and it ruined your life and
Speaker 1: you feel like you lost your mind. What's the deal here?
Speaker 1: Tell us what's going on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, so for my friend's birthday, we all we
Speaker 6: all took a we all took acid, and I think
Speaker 6: it was a bad experience for everybody, but for me
Speaker 6: in particular. I feel like I lost a bit of
Speaker 6: my mind. And we still kind of stayed friends after that,
Speaker 6: and I guess it's like a coping mechanism. Wrote this
Speaker 6: like funny little album, but I think I took it
Speaker 6: a little more seriously than everybody else, and it just yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't know. They they like didn't really want to
Speaker 6: work with me after that and didn't really want to
Speaker 6: be friends with me after that.
Speaker 1: So this album ruined your life because you guys tried
Speaker 1: to uh, because you kind of took a little bit
Speaker 1: more seriously than everyone else did, and they did you
Speaker 1: feel like they didn't want to keep being your friend
Speaker 1: because of how seriously you took making this album.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think I was a little over
Speaker 6: the top. I think, Okay, we were getting to like
Speaker 6: Andy Kachman level bits, and I think it was just
Speaker 6: a little too extreme. The like the line between reality
Speaker 6: and and what was a joke I think got really thinned.
Speaker 6: And I think during the making of this, I mean
Speaker 6: it was it was a ninety nine song project which
Speaker 6: we recorded each of the songs twice, so it took
Speaker 6: about a year a time, and I think for parts
Speaker 6: of that it just, Yeah, it became very difficult to
Speaker 6: be friends. And I don't know, I was working with
Speaker 6: at a job with the individual who I was making
Speaker 6: this album with, and yeah, the prices to say that
Speaker 6: didn't pan out either.
Speaker 1: What kind of album was this?
Speaker 6: It was like a comedy album. It was it was
Speaker 6: kind of about this acid trip that it was a
Speaker 6: it was a ironic so it's actually we wrote an
Speaker 6: album about creative. It was an allegory for for this
Speaker 6: acid trip.
Speaker 1: That sounds cool, okay, And what way specifically were you
Speaker 1: taking up more seriously than everyone else.
Speaker 6: I think I was just like trying to push push basically,
Speaker 6: the the the the other people, to to to record more,
Speaker 6: to dedicate more time to it, to try to write
Speaker 6: more songs, be more invested into it. And I think
Speaker 6: I I I kind of feel the fault for that.
Speaker 6: I think I've I've gained a little bit of perspective
Speaker 6: and I do think you know it's not worth sort
Speaker 6: of the consequences.
Speaker 2: Mhm mhm. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is a very tough thing. Uh, when you know
Speaker 1: you're more invested in something than the people around you,
Speaker 1: but you can you can never really, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Anytime you have this is maybe dark, but anytime you
Speaker 1: have expectations of other people, you fuck yourself a little.
Speaker 6: Bit, right, No, exactly, And I think I think there's
Speaker 6: definitely was a control element as well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, ah, listen, I'm gonna be honest with you. Jangle,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm so sorry, but I'm i'm i'm i'm
Speaker 1: i am feeling a little bit drained here. I'd love
Speaker 1: to talk to you more about this. When I cannot
Speaker 1: be falling asleep. Let me let me, let me tell
Speaker 1: you this. You clearly have You clearly have the desire
Speaker 1: to make things okay, So just go make them, all right?
Speaker 1: You know. The best you can do to separate your
Speaker 1: artistic and work life from your personal life, I think
Speaker 1: the better. I think some people out there are blessed
Speaker 1: and fortunate enough that those two lives intertwined beautifully with
Speaker 1: no complied. I used to be jealous of those folks,
Speaker 1: you know, like Seth Rogan has his his guy that
Speaker 1: he does everything with. You know, there's Matt Stone and
Speaker 1: Trey Parker and fucking Tim and Eric and you know,
Speaker 1: these these guys who are who who make things with
Speaker 1: other people, and everyone seems to be, you know, the
Speaker 1: same level of invested and on the same page with everything.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing. Actually, for a long time I
Speaker 1: was really jealous, and I really really wanted UH to
Speaker 1: have a partnership like that or a group like that,
Speaker 1: but it just never really worked out. And now I
Speaker 1: do this thing by myself, and you know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: understand why that that can be tough. It was tough
Speaker 1: for me, but don't you know, don't let it stop
Speaker 1: you from making things. And uh, if if you happen
Speaker 1: to live a life where you're artistic and business endeavors
Speaker 1: are separate from your friendships, that's actually probably a good thing.
Speaker 1: Was any of what I just said helpful or relevant
Speaker 1: to what you're talking about?
Speaker 6: No, yeah, absolutely, I think it means a lot to
Speaker 6: hear something else say that. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 6: heard anybody else kind of share that sentiment.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a huge, huge, huge thing, especially
Speaker 1: like in high school, you know, I, well, my friends
Speaker 1: all helped me make movies, but I think I was
Speaker 1: the only one who like really wanted to do it,
Speaker 1: like for real, Like I was like I was the
Speaker 1: only one who wanted to go to film school. At
Speaker 1: the time, one of my friends that I ended up
Speaker 1: going to film school, but uh, you know, at the
Speaker 1: I don't know. At the time, I felt like I
Speaker 1: was I was the only one who was really kind
Speaker 1: of trying it for real. And yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: lonely feeling. And again, even now as I'm doing this,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm you know, uh, I'm the only
Speaker 1: guy here talking on this podcast right now, and that
Speaker 1: can be lonely sometimes, you know, it does make me
Speaker 1: wish I had, you know, I guess other other other
Speaker 1: kind of creative, like like collaborators in that sense. But
Speaker 1: don't let's stop you from doing things, all right, No.
Speaker 2: I won't.
Speaker 6: I appreciate the the thoughts and the sentiment.
Speaker 1: So anything else you want to say to the people
Speaker 1: of the computer before we go, django? No, God, bless you.
Speaker 1: Take care man, you too. But hello, Well, what's your name, sir?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Trevor, Trevor.
Speaker 1: What is happening with you?
Speaker 2: Oh? Not much, man, I was just calling in want
Speaker 2: to get your advice about some about some ship that happened.
Speaker 1: Tell me you're talking about the ship that happens, all right, dude.
Speaker 2: So on Christmas, I was last minute shopping and I
Speaker 2: fucking found uh black Santa. It was like a little
Speaker 2: like a figurine, and I put it on my table
Speaker 2: and I invited all my friends over. They came over,
Speaker 2: They're like, what the fuck, Like, Santa's white?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like.
Speaker 2: How do you fucking know that? How do you fucking
Speaker 2: know this Santa is white? You know? And they just
Speaker 2: kept giving me shit about it, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 2: it's just figurine. Santa could be any race. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, it's true. He's a fictional character.
Speaker 2: Exactly. So eventually I got sick of it and I
Speaker 2: kicked him all out. I was like, what the fuck,
Speaker 2: you know, like, there's enough, Like you gotta get the
Speaker 2: fuck out here. So after that, I kind of felt
Speaker 2: like I was being rude, but like at the same time,
Speaker 2: like the company I was with, like, you're fucking racist.
Speaker 1: Well, I just don't understand why. It was like, well,
Speaker 1: what about it was so egregious to them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's what That's what I was thinking, man, like,
Speaker 2: like it's not like I don't know, I just want
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts about it. Like, it's just it's
Speaker 2: a fucking figurine you know that was that was black.
Speaker 2: It's a fucking black scent like it just, yeah, it
Speaker 2: could be anything. It's representing Christmas. So after I kicked
Speaker 2: him my out, I felt kind of bad, and then
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, so.
Speaker 1: How many How many people were there?
Speaker 2: About six or seven and all.
Speaker 1: Of them were upset with the figure?
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was like five or six.
Speaker 1: Wait all right, so there was there were seven people
Speaker 1: at your house and six of them were upset about
Speaker 1: this Santa figurine.
Speaker 2: Well, they were making fun of me, like what the
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing? Like Santa is white? You know,
Speaker 2: like you don't know that. You don't fucking know that. Man.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a subjective interpretation of a fictional character. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could make anything. You know, it's a fictional character.
Speaker 1: There's no I didn't even think I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a I don't even think that there's a canonical Santa Claus.
Speaker 1: Like the guy who invented Santa Claus is dead and
Speaker 1: so as far as I've concerned that character is in
Speaker 1: the public, is in the public.
Speaker 2: Don't exactly, Man, I've done research on it since then,
Speaker 2: Like it's a real character.
Speaker 1: Manright, so you did you your friends complained about you
Speaker 1: having a black Santa figurine, and then you did research
Speaker 1: on Santa.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, just to see like like why they were upset,
Speaker 2: you know, like in actually Santa was white and it's
Speaker 2: not even like no, it's like actually like h like, uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I've read so much about it, but
Speaker 2: like there's no race specifically for Santa Claus. Like so
Speaker 2: when I bought this like figurine at Walmart, like it
Speaker 2: just I don't know, Like it was just like when
Speaker 2: I saw it, I was like, yeah, fuck yeah, like
Speaker 2: I'll get it, dude. So after I kicked him out,
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't know. I was chilled
Speaker 2: with the figurine?
Speaker 1: Did did the figure?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Did you did you get it the figure and say
Speaker 1: anything to you? Did you like sense any thing from it?
Speaker 2: Sense anything from it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Start a straight sip and soco and uh, just kind
Speaker 2: of chilled, just relaxed, just fucking just chilled.
Speaker 5: Do you think it's great?
Speaker 1: Do I think what I think? What's racist?
Speaker 2: Like having a black Santu?
Speaker 1: Uh? Like, like, do I think you having a black
Speaker 1: Santa figuree? And as racist? First of all, I I
Speaker 1: don't even care what it is, whatever it is. I
Speaker 1: am not a good person to ask about whether or
Speaker 1: not something is racist. I am not the judge, jury,
Speaker 1: and executioner of that. But there is no canonical even
Speaker 1: for who gives a shit? It's this fan art. It
Speaker 1: sounds Look, here's the thing. At the end of the day.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you enjoy this FIGUREE. It sounds like
Speaker 1: it gives you, uh, you know, a pleasure in your life.
Speaker 1: And I think that's all that's all that matters at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. You know, I think your
Speaker 1: friends should, you know, respect the items you have in
Speaker 1: your home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows? Who the fuck knows if Santa is white, black,
Speaker 2: any fucking Santa.
Speaker 1: Santa's Santa's a fictional character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like people don't people know these things.
Speaker 1: They decide them in their own versions.
Speaker 2: That exactly.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you've just justified like everything I've thought. Like,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope that's a good thing what you
Speaker 1: just said. Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, What are you doing tonight
Speaker 1: outside of this right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I just got done working out, a fucking drinking a
Speaker 2: little bit of beer, I don't know, chill with my dogs.
Speaker 1: You seem like you have a nice life for yourself.
Speaker 1: You seem like you can put yourself in any situation
Speaker 1: and be happy. It's a sense I get from you. Thanks, Man,
Speaker 1: Is anything else you want to say before we go? Well? Yeah, yeah, final,
Speaker 1: you have a final thought. I want to hear your
Speaker 1: final thought.
Speaker 2: Oh, my final thought. I think that everybody should be accepted,
Speaker 2: like accepting of like any kind of race that represents anything.
Speaker 2: You know, what I'm saying, like, it's just I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like it's just like like you said, it's a fictional
Speaker 2: fucking character. Character And if anybody represents this fictional character
Speaker 2: here that a ton of people, mainly children, believe in,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think they should have a
Speaker 2: strong opinion about it. Like, it's just it is, it
Speaker 2: is what it is.
Speaker 1: Well, Trevor, thank you for calling. And I hope that, uh,
Speaker 1: I hope, I'll hope you you're able to find friends?
Speaker 1: Uh who do who don't care about Santa Claus at all?
Speaker 2: What do you think about Santa Claus?
Speaker 1: I have no strong thoughts, feelings, or sentiments about Santa Claus.
Speaker 2: Do you represent Chris or like do you do? You
Speaker 2: celebrate Christmas?
Speaker 1: Everyone celebrates Christmas. Christmas is an undeniable thing. If you
Speaker 1: walk around that side, you celebrate Christmas? All right, I'll
Speaker 1: talk to you to Trevor. H Listen, he's a good guy.
Speaker 1: He's a good guy. Never be get goes on the
Speaker 1: line taking your phone calls every night.
Speaker 2: Never be get goes doing his eye. He's teaching you
Speaker 2: a cloud in the middle of your life.
Speaker 6: But he's not ready an expert