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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it's Lyle get this. I'm coming to over

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Speaker 1: The live shows are are very fun, they're very geko wee,

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Speaker 1: get into the episode. Hello, hey ge how you doing

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Speaker 1: going all right?

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Speaker 2: Not too bad?

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Speaker 3: Not too bad, just enjoying the stream.

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Speaker 1: Johnny from Illinois, What is happening with you?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, I had downloaded Uh Doky

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Speaker 3: Doky Literature Club because I never played the game before,

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Speaker 3: and I beat the game pretty simple. I downloaded a

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Speaker 3: mod where you get to kind of date one of

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Speaker 3: from then on, like obviously you kind of pretend like

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pause you right there. I pause you right there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: For context for those who don't know. For context for

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Speaker 1: those who don't know, Dokey Dokey Literature Club is like

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Speaker 1: a it's like this anime kind of like, uh, what

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Speaker 1: would you call like text based? Uh? Uh No, it's

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Speaker 1: not really a dating sim, but it's sort of a

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Speaker 1: were you saying? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Sorry? Uh so I started, uh kind of like I

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Speaker 3: it because it's like, in one way, it helped me

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Speaker 3: I to, I don't want to download. I didn't want

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Speaker 3: I guess you can say it just feels weird.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's this is an interesting thing. Let's start from here.

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Speaker 1: So you said that you're dating this girl and in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like as you progressed through, like you know,

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Speaker 3: but she said like, oh, go do something that would

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Speaker 1: So her saying in the game, go out and do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know it's weird to like, it's very

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so this dating sim inspires you to go

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, okay, take solace in this. The game was

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Speaker 1: It's like Tetris inspiring you to go to grad school.

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Speaker 1: So, uh okay, what what do you are you, like,

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Speaker 1: it's a similar feeling you feel when you know Monica

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Speaker 1: So okay, so what do you what do you tell me?

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Speaker 1: Are you attempting to quit the game?

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Speaker 1: So does the game continue to give you motivation to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I didn't know what to expect when

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Speaker 1: You know Mario Kart inspired me to reconnect with my father.

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Speaker 2: How did that happen?

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Speaker 1: Johnny? Is there anything else you want to say to

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Speaker 3: No, just you know you're uh, you're doing great things

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Speaker 2: Deck.

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Speaker 3: You've really helped me, and I know you've helped a

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Speaker 1: Hey, thank you, Johnny. I love you.

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Speaker 1: Take care. Go to the gym. Maybe you'll maybe you'll

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Speaker 1: inspire me to do it. It's so much more fun

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Speaker 1: to tell other people to go to the gym than

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Speaker 1: to actually go myself. I'm gonna play more zel than

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Speaker 1: an Hello, Hi, Lyle, who is who? To whom? Do

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Speaker 1: I have? To whom? Am I speaking?

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Speaker 4: I think my name is Salmon in the same We'll

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Speaker 1: I like that's cool name. How's it going, Salmon?

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Speaker 1: You were on hold for three and a half hours.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean the practical types

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Speaker 4: So yeah, going over there and coming yeah, I definitely

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I had to spend another two months in

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Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about, like, you know, I could open

441
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: a facility where like you know, you go in there

442
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: and like people piss on you and it's supposed to

443
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: help you, like you know, fix whatever's going on with you.

444
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: And then you know, they go there for a while

445
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: and they get out and they're like, oh man, I'm

446
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: like covered and pissed. Everything's worse now.

447
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's funny too because they'll pay the top

448
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: dollar and you know, you can piss on some celebrities

449
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: and you can piss on some very west wealthy people

450
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 4: and there's no reason.

451
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: So so salmon before we go. Bring uh, bring me

452
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: to now, Bring me to now. I assume you're still

453
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: trying to fix whatever uh sent you to that place

454
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: in the first place. What tell me both, Well, tell

455
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: me about what you're doing to try and then also

456
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: how you're feeling about the fact that you're even still trying.

457
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's hard sometimes, but like it I'm a

458
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 4: measurably immeasurably better than I watched four years ago. Like

459
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 4: I said, just like built up my base with doctors, therapists,

460
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: you know, everyone that I can. And I'm back at work,

461
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: which is awesome. I work from home, moved into a

462
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: new place. You know, it's been an interesting ride, Like

463
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: relatively comparatively to the world out there, I have things

464
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: very very very good. But that isn't to say, like,

465
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 4: you know, there are hard times. Anybody of any place

466
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: or wherever you come from. Everyone has hard times.

467
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, well I'm glad to hear I will.

468
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: Look.

469
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if you said that you're doing better

470
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: now than four years ago, that's an improvement. Uh.

471
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it wasn't all for it wasn't all loss. Yeah.

472
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: An upwards trajectory is uh is a blessing. Tell me, well,

473
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: so do you do you? I guess, looking back on

474
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: it all, do you regret going or are you glad

475
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: that everything that's happened to you in lifeless? Far as

476
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know.

477
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think it could have happened

478
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: any other way, like I just think I would. It

479
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: would have had to come to that at some point

480
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 4: through the system that I'm currently in. It would have

481
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 4: happened regardless unless I went off and did something horrible,

482
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 4: and I had an incredible doctor when I was there

483
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 4: and he was very attentive. I think it was just

484
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: an unfortunate thing that happened. So yeah, I don't know.

485
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Well, I'm no doctor, But have you ever tried Flintstone's vitamins?

486
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: I haven't had those in a while. You know, I

487
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 4: should probably look into that.

488
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing all of this stuff, Sam, and I

489
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: know it so I know, I mean, especially to share

490
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: it with all the memory lost thing, and it sounds

491
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: very fascinating. Maybe somebody will, I don't know, hear this

492
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: in the podcast and want to try it themselves, although

493
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: I guess not because you you did give it a

494
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: pretty bad review, so maybe you're saving someone from who

495
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: knows you.

496
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 4: Want want to say is that, like, yeah, I do

497
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: want to say, just because it was bad for me

498
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: doesn't mean it's going to be bad for everybody, Like

499
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: they're just like you. Just sometimes you get a bad

500
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 4: role and whatever, So I would never I don't want

501
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: to discourage anybody from doing anything. I just want to

502
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: encourage people to ask questions and to uh, don't feel

503
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: pressured to do something because someone.

504
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Tells you it's good, Sam, is there anything else you

505
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: want to say to the people of the computer before

506
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: we go?

507
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: I do yeah. When we're saying yeah, when someone tells

508
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: you like about their struggle and my journey and my mission,

509
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 4: the kind of like youth pastor style, like how hard

510
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: you have to fight? It kind of sets you up

511
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: for believing that getting better is going to be really

512
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: fucking hard and it's not easy, don't get me wrong,

513
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: but it isn't as hard as all these people who

514
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: fucking write books and do stupid YouTube videos on And

515
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: you don't have to get tattoos and you know what

516
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 4: I mean, Like you don't have to feel gung ho

517
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: about it. It's possible, And don't believe the hype. Don't

518
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 4: set yourself up for something that's difficult, because it's a

519
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: lot easier than you might think.

520
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: I like what you said just now. It's a very

521
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: kind of stoic way of looking at things. Like you know,

522
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: if you look at your whatever, whatever it is that

523
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: you're struggling with, if you look at it as you're

524
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: bearing a great, horrible weight, and that's your perspective on it,

525
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: then that's what it's going to be, you know. But

526
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: if you can maybe have a little bit of a

527
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: lighter perspective, I think it will help.

528
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: Is that kind of exactly That's exactly it.

529
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good, well, salmon get bless you. Thank you

530
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: for sharing, and I hope you find your panacea.

531
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: Thank you.

532
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: I have agreed even my call, good.

533
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: Night, Samon. I really do swear by those Flintstones vitamin gummies.

534
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: They're good and they didn't pay me to say that.

535
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Check them out. That's all I have to say.

536
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: He good luck.

537
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: Oh, Hi, you're already on Hi.

538
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: Wait wait what the I'm gonna.

539
00:33:53,240 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: I'll give you two seconds, understand, Yes, so all right.

540
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 5: I'm telling my story right.

541
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: Right were yes? Yeah, you are sure? Sure?

542
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 5: I didn't think i'd get on that fast, man. I alright.

543
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 5: So so back in like third or second grade, I

544
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 5: was a little little kid, right and I used to

545
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 5: have bad anger issues. And this kid he was he

546
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 5: was kind of in a wheelchair.

547
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

548
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 5: Supposedly he threw some kind of ball at me. I'm

549
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 5: assuming a dodgeball, something like a basketball. I don't know,

550
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 5: but uh, I didn't.

551
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: Like this kid.

552
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 5: He's kind of mean to everybody. So he threw that

553
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 5: ball at me, and I kind of I kind of

554
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 5: punched him.

555
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: Man.

556
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: All right, So there is a kid in a wheelchair

557
00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: who threw a ball at you, and so you punched him.

558
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 5: That's pretty much it.

559
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: Okay.

560
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: You see, you seem to have conflicting emotions surrounding this.

561
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: What are they?

562
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 6: I don't know.

563
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 5: Does that make me a bad person? Or since I

564
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 5: was like a little kid, does it like?

565
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 2: Uh oh, I don't.

566
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: Know, man, Well just see does that make you a

567
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: bad person? If you did it yesterday, I'd be like,

568
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, you probably should not. You know, I was

569
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: gonna say I was if you did it yesterday, I

570
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: was gonna say, should have done that? You probably shouldn't

571
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: have done that in third grade either, But we we

572
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: hear we we undeniably. I want you to we undeniably

573
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: live in the universe in which you did do that.

574
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: But I know it's okay, just let it. Let it, yeah,

575
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: let it hit you. I get it. I get it.

576
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: We've all done things. We're not proud of them. Okay,

577
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: what now? What now?

578
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 5: Uh?

579
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: You said that the kid. You said that the kid

580
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: was being a dick? How did that? How was he

581
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: a dick?

582
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: So?

583
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 5: Since I was, like, I used to have angry issues, right,

584
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 5: you know, real bad. So I used to be in

585
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 5: this special ed class and they kind of separate them, right,

586
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 5: so they'd have the kids with like physical disabilities and

587
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 5: uh stuff like that, separated into like a different class,

588
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 5: and they have kids like me that just have like

589
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 5: angry issues and stuff, and they'd separate us and put

590
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 5: us all in the class. Which that doesn't sound like

591
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 5: a very good idea to start with. But uh, me

592
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 5: and this kid, we used to get along. But one

593
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 5: day just start taking my cars and stuff and complaining

594
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 5: it to the teachers. And I remember that's how I like,

595
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 5: and it's I'm mad at him or something.

596
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

597
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you should you should call him, You should find

598
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: him do you still talk to this person?

599
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 5: Oh no, it's spent like years. It was like around

600
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 5: about third grade.

601
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: Okay, do you know what they're doing? Are they still

602
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: in the wheelchair?

603
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: Odd?

604
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 5: Soon? So he was like paralyzed, oh kind of from

605
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 5: like the waights down.

606
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: Oh man, that makes it much worse. I thought he

607
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: was like in a wheelchair temporarily. No, Okay, here's here's

608
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: what you should do. You should find him on Facebook

609
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: and invite him uh to run over you in his wheelchair,

610
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: so you guys can be.

611
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 5: Even now that I'm here and them, I'm thinking that

612
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 5: that's pretty fair. Mm hmm, I mean, oh yeah, thanks

613
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 5: for wanting me call me and on stone.

614
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: What's your hold on? I'm not what's your life like now?

615
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: My life like? Now?

616
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah's life like now?

617
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: I'd say to pretty better man, It's good, it's better.

618
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. For sure.

619
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 5: I don't go around punching kids and wheelchairs anymore, that's

620
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 5: for sure.

621
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: See. Here's the thing. You cannot change the past, but

622
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: you can change, you know, your actions moving forward. And

623
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: I think the fact that you haven't punched anyone in

624
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: any wheelchairs since then is it wonderful development. You should

625
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: be proud of that.

626
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well thanks for letting I'm showing in. I

627
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 5: was surprised there. I didn't think I was going to

628
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 5: get on. I've been waiting, legit, until I turned eighteen

629
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 5: to call. I still got like a squeaker boys gone.

630
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, when did you turn? Eighteen?

631
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: January sixteen?

632
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: Man?

633
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: Oh, coid? Did you do anything fun for your birthday?

634
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 5: Not that I know, not really, it's kind of boring. Man,

635
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 5: I only have like h he said.

636
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: What.

637
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: Who are you with?

638
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 5: I'm with Alm with my brother here.

639
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: Man.

640
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 5: I was telling him we're trying to get a story

641
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 5: made up here. We're not made up, but like something

642
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 5: that actually happened has kind of messed up. And he's like, yeah,

643
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 5: you gotta go and do that one whatever.

644
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh you were trying, Oh you were trying to like

645
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: figure out what you were going to talk about.

646
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, my mom, whenever we meet somebody new, she'll go

647
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 5: and tell them that story of me. It's so much

648
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 5: still because now everybody's like, oh could it's kind of

649
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 5: a psycho stay away from them.

650
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: Why does your why does your mom tell everybody she

651
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: meets that story?

652
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 4: I don't know, I really don't know.

653
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 5: It's just like if they if we're sitting around talking

654
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 5: and stuff, she'll just bring it up and she'll be like, oh, yeah,

655
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 5: my son he went he went and punched his kid

656
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 5: for thowing about him and guess what. Guess what? He

657
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 5: was in a wheelchair and like, all right, it's a

658
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: great introduction.

659
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: Who I am?

660
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: Your mother really doesn't like you?

661
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 5: Ooh, that's what I'm thinking.

662
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: Man, Do you know any do you know any? Do

663
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: you know anything that she's ashamed of?

664
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 5: Ah mm hmmm probably me.

665
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: No, Okay, As I was going to say, you should

666
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: learn something about her and be like, Okay, every time

667
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: you tell the wheelchair story, I'm gonna tell the story

668
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: of how you uh che did on my dad.

669
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's actually a good one. That would be a good

670
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 5: one right there.

671
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: Wait did that actually happen? I mean.

672
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 5: That's that's that's another story man. That's all.

673
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: Well, it's a shagg Is there anything else you want

674
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: to say to the people of the computer before we go?

675
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 5: Ah? Stay stellar guys, absolutely wicked, gnarly Geky's the best, ma'am.

676
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: I love him.

677
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 5: I'm like he's number one, maybe number two. Fan I

678
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 5: want to say I'm number one. That feels like too

679
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 5: much responsibility.

680
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: Shaggy, I appreciate you. I'm glad to see that you're

681
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: a changed man, and good luck with the rest of

682
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: your life.

683
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 5: H It's all right, love you man.

684
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, how are you?

685
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 6: I'm okay, how are you?

686
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm a gecko on the computer. I gotta ask you? Yeah, yeah, right, yeah,

687
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: all right. It says here Django says that your name

688
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: is Django. Cool name. It says you wrote a comedy

689
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: album with your friends and it ruined your life and

690
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: you feel like you lost your mind. What's the deal here?

691
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: Tell us what's going on.

692
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, so for my friend's birthday, we all we

693
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 6: all took a we all took acid, and I think

694
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 6: it was a bad experience for everybody, but for me

695
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 6: in particular. I feel like I lost a bit of

696
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 6: my mind. And we still kind of stayed friends after that,

697
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 6: and I guess it's like a coping mechanism. Wrote this

698
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 6: like funny little album, but I think I took it

699
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 6: a little more seriously than everybody else, and it just yeah,

700
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 6: I don't know. They they like didn't really want to

701
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 6: work with me after that and didn't really want to

702
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 6: be friends with me after that.

703
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: So this album ruined your life because you guys tried

704
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: to uh, because you kind of took a little bit

705
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: more seriously than everyone else did, and they did you

706
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: feel like they didn't want to keep being your friend

707
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: because of how seriously you took making this album.

708
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think I was a little over

709
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 6: the top. I think, Okay, we were getting to like

710
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 6: Andy Kachman level bits, and I think it was just

711
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 6: a little too extreme. The like the line between reality

712
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 6: and and what was a joke I think got really thinned.

713
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 6: And I think during the making of this, I mean

714
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 6: it was it was a ninety nine song project which

715
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 6: we recorded each of the songs twice, so it took

716
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 6: about a year a time, and I think for parts

717
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 6: of that it just, Yeah, it became very difficult to

718
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 6: be friends. And I don't know, I was working with

719
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 6: at a job with the individual who I was making

720
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 6: this album with, and yeah, the prices to say that

721
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 6: didn't pan out either.

722
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: What kind of album was this?

723
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 6: It was like a comedy album. It was it was

724
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 6: kind of about this acid trip that it was a

725
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 6: it was a ironic so it's actually we wrote an

726
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 6: album about creative. It was an allegory for for this

727
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 6: acid trip.

728
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: That sounds cool, okay, And what way specifically were you

729
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: taking up more seriously than everyone else.

730
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 6: I think I was just like trying to push push basically,

731
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 6: the the the the other people, to to to record more,

732
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 6: to dedicate more time to it, to try to write

733
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 6: more songs, be more invested into it. And I think

734
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 6: I I I kind of feel the fault for that.

735
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 6: I think I've I've gained a little bit of perspective

736
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 6: and I do think you know it's not worth sort

737
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 6: of the consequences.

738
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: Mhm mhm. Uh.

739
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: This is a very tough thing. Uh, when you know

740
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: you're more invested in something than the people around you,

741
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: but you can you can never really, I don't know.

742
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: Anytime you have this is maybe dark, but anytime you

743
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: have expectations of other people, you fuck yourself a little.

744
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 6: Bit, right, No, exactly, And I think I think there's

745
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 6: definitely was a control element as well.

746
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, ah, listen, I'm gonna be honest with you. Jangle,

747
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm so sorry, but I'm i'm i'm i'm

748
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: i am feeling a little bit drained here. I'd love

749
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: to talk to you more about this. When I cannot

750
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: be falling asleep. Let me let me, let me tell

751
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: you this. You clearly have You clearly have the desire

752
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: to make things okay, So just go make them, all right?

753
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: You know. The best you can do to separate your

754
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: artistic and work life from your personal life, I think

755
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: the better. I think some people out there are blessed

756
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: and fortunate enough that those two lives intertwined beautifully with

757
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: no complied. I used to be jealous of those folks,

758
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, like Seth Rogan has his his guy that

759
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: he does everything with. You know, there's Matt Stone and

760
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: Trey Parker and fucking Tim and Eric and you know,

761
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: these these guys who are who who make things with

762
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: other people, and everyone seems to be, you know, the

763
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: same level of invested and on the same page with everything.

764
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing. Actually, for a long time I

765
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: was really jealous, and I really really wanted UH to

766
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: have a partnership like that or a group like that,

767
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: but it just never really worked out. And now I

768
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: do this thing by myself, and you know, yeah, I

769
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: understand why that that can be tough. It was tough

770
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: for me, but don't you know, don't let it stop

771
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: you from making things. And uh, if if you happen

772
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: to live a life where you're artistic and business endeavors

773
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: are separate from your friendships, that's actually probably a good thing.

774
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: Was any of what I just said helpful or relevant

775
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: to what you're talking about?

776
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 6: No, yeah, absolutely, I think it means a lot to

777
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 6: hear something else say that. I don't think I've ever

778
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 6: heard anybody else kind of share that sentiment.

779
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a huge, huge, huge thing, especially

780
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: like in high school, you know, I, well, my friends

781
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: all helped me make movies, but I think I was

782
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: the only one who like really wanted to do it,

783
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: like for real, Like I was like I was the

784
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: only one who wanted to go to film school. At

785
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: the time, one of my friends that I ended up

786
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: going to film school, but uh, you know, at the

787
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. At the time, I felt like I

788
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: was I was the only one who was really kind

789
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: of trying it for real. And yeah, that was a

790
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: lonely feeling. And again, even now as I'm doing this,

791
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm you know, uh, I'm the only

792
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: guy here talking on this podcast right now, and that

793
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: can be lonely sometimes, you know, it does make me

794
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: wish I had, you know, I guess other other other

795
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: kind of creative, like like collaborators in that sense. But

796
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: don't let's stop you from doing things, all right, No.

797
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: I won't.

798
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 6: I appreciate the the thoughts and the sentiment.

799
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: So anything else you want to say to the people

800
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: of the computer before we go, django? No, God, bless you.

801
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: Take care man, you too. But hello, Well, what's your name, sir?

802
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, Trevor, Trevor.

803
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: What is happening with you?

804
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: Oh? Not much, man, I was just calling in want

805
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: to get your advice about some about some ship that happened.

806
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 1: Tell me you're talking about the ship that happens, all right, dude.

807
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: So on Christmas, I was last minute shopping and I

808
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: fucking found uh black Santa. It was like a little

809
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: like a figurine, and I put it on my table

810
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: and I invited all my friends over. They came over,

811
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: They're like, what the fuck, Like, Santa's white?

812
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like.

813
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: How do you fucking know that? How do you fucking

814
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: know this Santa is white? You know? And they just

815
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: kept giving me shit about it, and I was like, dude,

816
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: it's just figurine. Santa could be any race. Yeah, you

817
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: know what I'm.

818
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: Saying, it's true. He's a fictional character.

819
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: Exactly. So eventually I got sick of it and I

820
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: kicked him all out. I was like, what the fuck,

821
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: you know, like, there's enough, Like you gotta get the

822
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: fuck out here. So after that, I kind of felt

823
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 2: like I was being rude, but like at the same time,

824
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: like the company I was with, like, you're fucking racist.

825
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: Well, I just don't understand why. It was like, well,

826
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: what about it was so egregious to them?

827
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's what That's what I was thinking, man, like,

828
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: like it's not like I don't know, I just want

829
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts about it. Like, it's just it's

830
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: a fucking figurine you know that was that was black.

831
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: It's a fucking black scent like it just, yeah, it

832
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: could be anything. It's representing Christmas. So after I kicked

833
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: him my out, I felt kind of bad, and then

834
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, so.

835
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: How many How many people were there?

836
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: About six or seven and all.

837
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: Of them were upset with the figure?

838
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was like five or six.

839
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: Wait all right, so there was there were seven people

840
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: at your house and six of them were upset about

841
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: this Santa figurine.

842
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: Well, they were making fun of me, like what the

843
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing? Like Santa is white? You know,

844
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: like you don't know that. You don't fucking know that. Man.

845
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: Well, it's a subjective interpretation of a fictional character. I mean,

846
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: you could make anything. You know, it's a fictional character.

847
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: There's no I didn't even think I don't think there's

848
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: a I don't even think that there's a canonical Santa Claus.

849
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: Like the guy who invented Santa Claus is dead and

850
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: so as far as I've concerned that character is in

851
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: the public, is in the public.

852
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: Don't exactly, Man, I've done research on it since then,

853
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: Like it's a real character.

854
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: Manright, so you did you your friends complained about you

855
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: having a black Santa figurine, and then you did research

856
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: on Santa.

857
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: Well yeah, just to see like like why they were upset,

858
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, like in actually Santa was white and it's

859
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 2: not even like no, it's like actually like h like, uh,

860
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, I've read so much about it, but

861
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: like there's no race specifically for Santa Claus. Like so

862
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: when I bought this like figurine at Walmart, like it

863
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 2: just I don't know, Like it was just like when

864
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: I saw it, I was like, yeah, fuck yeah, like

865
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: I'll get it, dude. So after I kicked him out,

866
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't know. I was chilled

867
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: with the figurine?

868
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: Did did the figure?

869
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: Like?

870
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: Did you did you get it the figure and say

871
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: anything to you? Did you like sense any thing from it?

872
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: Sense anything from it?

873
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

874
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: Start a straight sip and soco and uh, just kind

875
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: of chilled, just relaxed, just fucking just chilled.

876
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 5: Do you think it's great?

877
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: Do I think what I think? What's racist?

878
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: Like having a black Santu?

879
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Speaker 1: Uh? Like, like, do I think you having a black

880
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: Santa figuree? And as racist? First of all, I I

881
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: don't even care what it is, whatever it is. I

882
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: am not a good person to ask about whether or

883
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: not something is racist. I am not the judge, jury,

884
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: and executioner of that. But there is no canonical even

885
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: for who gives a shit? It's this fan art. It

886
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: sounds Look, here's the thing. At the end of the day.

887
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: It sounds like you enjoy this FIGUREE. It sounds like

888
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: it gives you, uh, you know, a pleasure in your life.

889
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: And I think that's all that's all that matters at

890
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: the end of the day. You know, I think your

891
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: friends should, you know, respect the items you have in

892
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: your home.

893
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows? Who the fuck knows if Santa is white, black,

894
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: any fucking Santa.

895
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: Santa's Santa's a fictional character.

896
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like people don't people know these things.

897
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: They decide them in their own versions.

898
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: That exactly.

899
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: Man.

900
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: Oh man, you've just justified like everything I've thought. Like,

901
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: I appreciate you.

902
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope that's a good thing what you

903
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: just said. Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, What are you doing tonight

904
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: outside of this right now? Yeah?

905
00:56:54,760 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: I just got done working out, a fucking drinking a

906
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 2: little bit of beer, I don't know, chill with my dogs.

907
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: You seem like you have a nice life for yourself.

908
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: You seem like you can put yourself in any situation

909
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: and be happy. It's a sense I get from you. Thanks, Man,

910
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: Is anything else you want to say before we go? Well? Yeah, yeah, final,

911
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: you have a final thought. I want to hear your

912
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: final thought.

913
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: Oh, my final thought. I think that everybody should be accepted,

914
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: like accepting of like any kind of race that represents anything.

915
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: You know, what I'm saying, like, it's just I don't know,

916
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: Like it's just like like you said, it's a fictional

917
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: fucking character. Character And if anybody represents this fictional character

918
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: here that a ton of people, mainly children, believe in,

919
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think they should have a

920
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: strong opinion about it. Like, it's just it is, it

921
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: is what it is.

922
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: Well, Trevor, thank you for calling. And I hope that, uh,

923
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: I hope, I'll hope you you're able to find friends?

924
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: Uh who do who don't care about Santa Claus at all?

925
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: What do you think about Santa Claus?

926
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: I have no strong thoughts, feelings, or sentiments about Santa Claus.

927
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: Do you represent Chris or like do you do? You

928
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: celebrate Christmas?

929
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: Everyone celebrates Christmas. Christmas is an undeniable thing. If you

930
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: walk around that side, you celebrate Christmas? All right, I'll

931
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: talk to you to Trevor. H Listen, he's a good guy.

932
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: He's a good guy. Never be get goes on the

933
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: line taking your phone calls every night.

934
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: Never be get goes doing his eye. He's teaching you

935
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: a cloud in the middle of your life.

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Speaker 6: But he's not ready an expert