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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth Podcast, DA give a Little Bit, Give

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<v Speaker 1>a little Bit of My life for you edition as

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to Bengals punter Drew Crispin about the unique

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<v Speaker 1>way that he's giving back to the Cincinnati community. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals and shares his thoughts about Cincinnati's chances in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, in the tenth game of the season, Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Chrisman replaced Kevin Huber as the Bengals starting punter. In

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<v Speaker 1>seven regular season starts, Chrisman averaged forty seven point eight

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<v Speaker 1>yards per punt with a net average of forty two

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<v Speaker 1>point six. He was thirteenth in the NFL and punting

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<v Speaker 1>average and eleventh in net average, and those stats were

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<v Speaker 1>very similar to Kevin Huber's best seasons in Cincinnati, but

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<v Speaker 1>Drew did not punt as well in the playoffs, and

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<v Speaker 1>now we'll be involved in a training camp battle to

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<v Speaker 1>hold onto the starting spot with six round draft pick

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<v Speaker 1>Brad Robbins. Drew's found a unique way to stay in

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<v Speaker 1>shape for the competition, and I discussed it with him

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<v Speaker 1>this week. Drew, for those who have not seen your

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<v Speaker 1>social media posts, explain what you've been doing in your

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<v Speaker 1>spare time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of hard to put it in just a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of sentences. Certainly if your viewing the videos for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time, it's a lot to take in, and

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<v Speaker 2>really for me, it's a lot to take in out

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<v Speaker 2>the moment it's transformed into something then I really didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even expect to get to at this point. I started

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<v Speaker 2>off just kind of as a little extra workout. During

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<v Speaker 2>this time period, I was looking into buying a peloton,

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<v Speaker 2>and just.

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<v Speaker 3>The cheap, slash frugal side of me just.

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<v Speaker 2>Would not be willing to dish out that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>money and pay that monthly subscription. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>why Instagram or algorithm guys must have heard what I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about and they showed me a video of

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<v Speaker 2>a guy going around doing door dash and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that just seemed so much fun and plus a great

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<v Speaker 2>workout as well, and get the experience of the city

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, get out meet some people. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, let's just give it a try. And after

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks of doing it, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Just so much fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And then obviously it's turned into a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>of a charity thing at this point, but still getting

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<v Speaker 2>a good workout by all means.

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<v Speaker 1>So if there's anybody out there that doesn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>door dash is, you're basically on your bike picking up

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<v Speaker 1>things from one site and delivering it to another site.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the workout aspect of this. Cincinnati is

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<v Speaker 1>famously the end of the city of Seven Hills. What

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bicycle workouts are you getting as a door

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<v Speaker 1>dash delivery person.

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<v Speaker 2>I have learned to stay downtown. Even downtown can get

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<v Speaker 2>a little hilly at times, especially going across the bridges

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<v Speaker 2>over to Kentucky and whatnot. But yeah, I have stayed.

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<v Speaker 2>I first started off around you see, the campus, and

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<v Speaker 2>I learned quickly to uh, to avoid that area that

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<v Speaker 2>that can that can get tiring very quickly just after

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<v Speaker 2>an order or two, a little more than I anticipated

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning. So we've stayed a little more closer downtown.

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<v Speaker 2>I can ride for more hours and and make more

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<v Speaker 2>money that way. But uh, yeah, no, it's certainly, certainly

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<v Speaker 2>you learn. Every day you go out there, you learn

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<v Speaker 2>something new. And I learned that one pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Has there been a Mount Adams delivery there has?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, no, I've I've I check it. That's about

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<v Speaker 2>the worst spot you can kind of get when you're

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on Fountain Square and you something going to out Adams.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually typically if I get one of those, I uh

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<v Speaker 2>probably in the day on that one, at least one

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<v Speaker 2>last one, last sweat before I drive back to Indiana.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're visiting the Bengals. Pund or Drew Chrisman, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a robin hood aspect to this

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<v Speaker 1>that you alluded to. You make money as a door

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<v Speaker 1>dash delivery person, but you have elected to plow that

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<v Speaker 1>money back into helping people. So after you do these deliveries,

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<v Speaker 1>you will buy food from local restaurants and just drop

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<v Speaker 1>it off to people who appear to be in need.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, correct, And like I said, I started this officer

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<v Speaker 2>as an next form of exercise, and naturally, doing this

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<v Speaker 2>work you make money.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, some people do this for a living.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I started noticing the account got, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty high, and after a couple of days, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks of doing it, and you had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars in the account. And I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm just riding around and you know, seeing

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<v Speaker 2>a city.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the city is beautiful, there's lots of beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>things about the city.

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<v Speaker 2>But also there was something I noticed was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a little bit of a new on the

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<v Speaker 2>streets and people panhandling and stuff like that. And I

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<v Speaker 2>mean just seeing that first hand on the street level,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just kind of pools at you as you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to Chipotle and taking order to some skyrise building

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<v Speaker 2>and on the street outside of it, there's a guy that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Begging for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, So I thought, yeah, there'd be no better use

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<v Speaker 2>for that money to go and you know, help out

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<v Speaker 2>and just a little bit of way possible. And the

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<v Speaker 2>reaction I got from that has been just phenomenal. And

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<v Speaker 2>now all of a sudden, I have tons of people

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to reach out, and I even have people have

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<v Speaker 2>been miming me money to increase my you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>reserve of funds to be able to go buy more food.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really awesome what it's turned into. And certainly

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<v Speaker 2>didn't expect this by any means, but certainly all the

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<v Speaker 2>attention has got, I think is going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>a greater good.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are a lot of guys in this locker

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<v Speaker 1>room that are doing great things for the community. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow's slogan for his foundation is everyone has a responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>to do good. Have you taken that to heart?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? For sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I think just with this platform in general that we have,

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, it's almost a disservice if you don't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, use back and give back in some way,

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<v Speaker 2>just with how blessed we are to get to this point. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know you've had help along the way, and it'd

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<v Speaker 2>be selfish me not to you know, realize that. And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think I really realized that last season.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd finally like you know, broke through and made it

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<v Speaker 2>to the active ross or started my first game, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I thought that that was gonna be like

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<v Speaker 2>a feeling feeling, and as soon as I got that

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<v Speaker 2>roster spot after the third game i'd played round, there

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<v Speaker 2>was still a little bit of something missing and and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it made me kind of looked back to my college

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<v Speaker 2>days and when I was doing a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>charity work and you know, being on social media, a

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<v Speaker 2>little more active inn you know, engaging with the fans more.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that was just something I was like, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that's the spark that I needed to get back to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fulfill that that whole I was feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>And certainly doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>As has helped has helped FI that for sure, and

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<v Speaker 2>I am as happy as I have been, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So the videos that you've been sharing on social media

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<v Speaker 1>are amusing. You wear a go pro camera, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>on your helmet, your bike helmet. I'm guessing you put

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<v Speaker 1>them to put these videos together. You can hear your

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<v Speaker 1>interaction with people that where you're picking up the food,

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<v Speaker 1>and in cases where you've given out food, they're graphics

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<v Speaker 1>that go with it. You've got music on these videos.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty elaborate production.

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<v Speaker 3>I try my best to keep entertaining.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's you know, it's good cause, and people

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<v Speaker 2>probably just watch at that point. By the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>people want to be entertained as well. That's just how

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<v Speaker 2>the media world is, you know. Sometimes if it's not

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<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't grasp your attention the first couple of seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>most people just click off of it and they won't

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<v Speaker 2>go they'll go about their day because there's so much

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to be out there. So I try to make

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<v Speaker 2>it entertaining as fun and light as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still learning as I go. There's there're a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>More to learn, and hopefully continue to make these videos

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<v Speaker 2>and keep making people's days.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you a big cyclist? Have you always written

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<v Speaker 1>bike a lot?

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<v Speaker 2>So in college we would do my wife and I

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<v Speaker 2>would go to this place like a cycling studio is

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<v Speaker 2>called six one four Cycle and Columbus, and we really

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed that. We'd go there at least once a week

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<v Speaker 2>during the off season, and and.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, I was just I was. We enjoyed that it's

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<v Speaker 3>a great.

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<v Speaker 2>Leg workout and and so I don't know if I'd

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<v Speaker 2>ever consider myself a cyclist. My dad would say that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm crazy to even get on a bike. Every time

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<v Speaker 2>I get on it. Growing up, i'd have scuff knees

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, cuts down the legs of some sort

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<v Speaker 2>bruise chin.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh, so far, so far, it was so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a bike that's pretty sturdy now and I've learned,

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<v Speaker 2>i think from the childhood experiences, the hard way of

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<v Speaker 2>how to stay upright on a bike and hopefully knock

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<v Speaker 2>on wood.

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<v Speaker 3>We continue that way.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if it's called a handle on

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<v Speaker 1>door dash, but your name or your handle is Drew C.

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<v Speaker 1>And your first name is spelled d r u E,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a little bit unusual. Has anybody recognized you

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<v Speaker 1>was the Bengals punter?

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<v Speaker 3>They haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually the first day I was out yesterday actually for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time really since making it public and start

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<v Speaker 2>posting videos, and certainly the one where I gave out

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<v Speaker 2>food caught the most attention. And after that I did

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<v Speaker 2>have a person on the street. I was just sitting

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<v Speaker 2>at a crosswalk waiting for the light to change, and

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<v Speaker 2>a guy came up. You know, they recognized me and said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they followed, follow along, saw the videos, appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>what I was doing.

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<v Speaker 3>But that was really the first time. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it has to do with that's probably myself

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<v Speaker 2>or just any Bengal or professional athlete in general is

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<v Speaker 2>probably the last person you expect to be delivering new food.

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<v Speaker 2>So but yeah, Drew cy d r Ui, if you

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<v Speaker 2>see that pop up, there's not many of us out there,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's probably gonna be me if you see it

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<v Speaker 2>on your order.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's talk about your other job, Bengals punter.

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<v Speaker 1>At this time last year, you were getting ready for

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<v Speaker 1>a training camp battle with Kevin Huber. Kevin got the

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<v Speaker 1>job to begin the season. Ultimately you took over as

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<v Speaker 1>the starting punter. Do you go into this training camp

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<v Speaker 1>with a similar feeling you're gonna be bad a rookie

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<v Speaker 1>Brad Robbins, who is drafted this year for that job

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<v Speaker 1>this year?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say it's similar.

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<v Speaker 2>Shoot every yeah, every camp, every almost every day I've

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<v Speaker 2>been here, there's always been another punter on the roster.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's really not not not really anything new

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<v Speaker 2>to me at this point, and so I've gotten pretty

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with that, that feeling, and yeah, just take it

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<v Speaker 2>one day at a time. We had a great OTAs

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<v Speaker 2>and really got to feel for each other. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>great guy, He's a heck of a punter. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be it's gonna be a great time. You know, whoever

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately ends up getting the job, I think it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be great for this organization and do do some great things.

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<v Speaker 1>So you seem pretty zen about the whole thing. Like

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<v Speaker 1>every year in the NFL, it's a competition. You got

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<v Speaker 1>to win the job every season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, that's just part of the gig. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's only thirty thirty two of us out there, and

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<v Speaker 2>so the thirty two best in the world are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get It doesn't matter if you're you're only one on

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<v Speaker 2>the roster. If you're not getting the job done, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to find someone else the next week. That's just

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<v Speaker 2>how it works in this in this business world, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is a business and if you're not getting the

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<v Speaker 2>job done, you know they're gonna find so in that can. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no there's no job security by all means. Even

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<v Speaker 2>if there isn't a guy sitting a couple of lockers

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<v Speaker 2>down that you know is battling for the same job,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a hundred other guys out there that are doing

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<v Speaker 2>the same.

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<v Speaker 1>So several years ago they drafted a kicker, Jake Elliott.

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<v Speaker 1>People assumed, well, he was the draft pick, he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the kicker, and then in training camp he

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<v Speaker 1>was outperformed and the job went to Randy Bullock. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Darren Simmons is the type of guy who's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make it clear, made the best man win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he actually the day after the draft or no,

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<v Speaker 2>it was actually that night after the draft he called

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<v Speaker 2>me and kind of told me that story, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's been a template for this happening before.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not completely out of your hands yet. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly we're going to give everybody a fair shaw as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And I saw that firsthand with Evan and Austin Sebert

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I was injured at the time, so I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't punt, but I was able to sit in the

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<v Speaker 2>meeting rooms and see just how meticulous he is and

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, stats and taking everything into account, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think he really does. It really is

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<v Speaker 2>an open job, and that's really all you can ask for.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, final question. We talked about two of

0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.000
<v Speaker 1>your jobs. Let's talk about the third. The fourth of

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<v Speaker 1>July is coming up. You'll be working in the fireworks store, correct.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be yes, there's no getting out of that job.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter where you're at what I'm doing. Everybody

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<v Speaker 2>comes back in town for that one, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>gearing up for sure. I think just if like the

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<v Speaker 2>next week, I think we're going to twenty four seven,

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<v Speaker 2>And so anytime you won you want some fireers, come

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<v Speaker 2>stop by. More than likely at least my dad will

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<v Speaker 2>be there, if not myself. I've kind of taken over

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<v Speaker 2>the night shift nowadays and stalking the shelves at night, two,

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<v Speaker 2>three in the morning, getting ready for everybody to buy

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<v Speaker 2>it the next day.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's always a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up in that store and tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's another workout as well, lifting some lifting some

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<v Speaker 2>Excalibur and some five hundred grand cases throughout the night.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll be feeling that the next day. So there's no

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<v Speaker 2>short as of extra work I can get in this

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<v Speaker 2>time of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad planned it out perfectly, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel free to put in a plug. Name and location

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<v Speaker 1>of the store.

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<v Speaker 2>Party at Traps Laurenceburg, Indiana, right off the exit. Can't

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<v Speaker 2>miss it, big red, white and blue building. Best bang

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<v Speaker 2>for your book, that's our motto. So come blow some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff up, have some fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Very well put. Thank you for so much for your

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<v Speaker 1>time today, Stay upright on that bike and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for what you're doing for people in need.

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<v Speaker 3>Appreciate it. Thanks for the time.

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<v Speaker 1>last time we saw each other was right before the

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<v Speaker 1>AFC Championship game. You came to Cincinnati and did a

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<v Speaker 1>story titled the villains, how true disrespect created a monster

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<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati. You've got a real knack for getting players

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<v Speaker 1>to open up, and there are some great quotes in

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<v Speaker 1>that story. You're in a lot of NFL locker rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>What stands out to you when you come to Cincinnati?

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<v Speaker 4>How authentic everybody is and that they don't take themselves

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<v Speaker 4>too seriously. It was so refreshing. It's always refreshing to

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<v Speaker 4>walk into that Bengals locker room and then here I

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<v Speaker 4>go panderin again. I promise, I mean everything I say here, Dan.

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<v Speaker 4>It is though, it's a different team with with unique personalities,

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<v Speaker 4>and it strikes me as by design. I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>Zach Taylor, Dutobin, everybody they know the kind of player

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<v Speaker 4>that they want to bring in, and I just I

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<v Speaker 4>guess in my job in the media, you have expect

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<v Speaker 4>any locker room to be full of players who are

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<v Speaker 4>just going to spew cliches and are guarded. Guarded doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>even begin to explain how a lot of help players operate,

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<v Speaker 4>and for good reason. I mean, Twitter has kind of

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<v Speaker 4>broken everybody's brains and one thing gets said and the

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<v Speaker 4>next thing you know, you know, it's retweeted a million

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<v Speaker 4>times and guys have to backtrack and take back what

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<v Speaker 4>they said. Well, I just I love going to Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, everything that these guys say they mean

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<v Speaker 4>and they don't care who hears it, because guess what,

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<v Speaker 4>football is a sport, it's a game. Like I know

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<v Speaker 4>Travis Kelcey and Patrick Mahomes got all upset about Burrowhead, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>get over yourselves. If you really need that to get

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<v Speaker 4>yourself going, you're probably in the wrong profession. So it

0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:09.280
<v Speaker 4>made for great theater and everything. But it's just fun

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<v Speaker 4>to have a conversation with like a Mike Hilton, Eli

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<v Speaker 4>Apple when he was kicking around and there right, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>even Chiabey Woozier and DJ Reader, exceptional Tyler Boyd, all

0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:26.479
<v Speaker 4>of these guys. You know, they could talk for hours

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<v Speaker 4>and hours about not just their lives but how they

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<v Speaker 4>do their jobs. And it makes our job in the

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<v Speaker 4>media a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So you mentioned Burrowhead, Mike Hilton famously calling

0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Arrowhead Burrowhead, and some of Eli Apple's trash talk that

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<v Speaker 1>goes crazy on social media. You didn't mention the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>and his ill timed remarks prior to the AFC Championship game.

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<v Speaker 1>I take it from your tone though, that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>think the Bengals overdid it.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think so. You know what gets lost is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if the Chiefs did genuinely use some of

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<v Speaker 4>this stuff is as fuel. Fine, I guess I have

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<v Speaker 4>a hard time thinking that Patrick Mahomes is stepping up

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<v Speaker 4>to the line of scrimmage looking at Cincinnati's defense and thinking,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what they were talking about Burrowhead before this game,

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm going to try extra hard this play. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it's kind of dumb. I feel like the other effect

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<v Speaker 4>is more powerful when you're Cincinnati and this stuff gets

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<v Speaker 4>you going, and you're a team that plays with an edge,

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<v Speaker 4>that plays with a swagger, with a cockiness rightfully, so

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<v Speaker 4>it's a team that's been bad for a number of

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<v Speaker 4>years and to kind of zap the culture. It all

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<v Speaker 4>started with that big bang moment, right von Bell lights

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<v Speaker 4>up Jujus Smith Schuster because he's dancing all over the

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<v Speaker 4>logo and puts him in his place, and everything to

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<v Speaker 4>that point forward, whether it's burrow with the swagon offense,

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<v Speaker 4>all those guys on defense playing and thinking a certain way,

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like it's more powerful On that end of

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<v Speaker 4>the spectrum. That kind of gets lost is the way

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<v Speaker 4>that the Cincinnati Bengals players talk and think and operate

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<v Speaker 4>day to day, game to game to genuinely change what's

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<v Speaker 4>been a moribund culture. You know, coach to coach, quarterback

0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.280
<v Speaker 4>to quarterback. That is needed, and that is good and

0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.840
<v Speaker 4>that is powerful. So does Zach Taylor's credit. And he

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<v Speaker 4>said this, I believe, at a press conference ahead of

0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.800
<v Speaker 4>that AFC Championship game. So when all this stuff's in now,

0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 4>all the headlines and all the talking heads are having

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<v Speaker 4>conniptions over it. I mean, I give him so much

0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.440
<v Speaker 4>credit to sit there and say, I want our guys

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<v Speaker 4>to be themselves, like, be you, whatever gets you going.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's probably players in the locker room that

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<v Speaker 4>that don't like to talk. They would rather punch in,

0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.960
<v Speaker 4>punch out, and that's fine too. But I think the

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<v Speaker 4>worst thing a coach can do is to apply a

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<v Speaker 4>cookie cutter formula to success. And in that sense, Bill Belichick,

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that's the one detrimental effect of the Patriot

0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:02.040
<v Speaker 4>way and do your job. They won a lot of games,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of Super Bowls, a lot of conference championships,

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<v Speaker 4>all of this, and for whatever reason, out of that

0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.320
<v Speaker 4>all it was assumed, Okay, they did it because everybody

0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.920
<v Speaker 4>just shuts up and plays football and is militaristic. Well,

0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.600
<v Speaker 4>a lot of those coaches under Bill Belichick went to

0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.040
<v Speaker 4>other teams and it didn't really work out. So you

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<v Speaker 4>have the gravitas of those rings. You have Tom freakin Brady,

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<v Speaker 4>the best quarterback ever. Maybe that has something to do

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<v Speaker 4>with it a little bit more than you know, trying

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<v Speaker 4>to stay out of a headline. So I just give

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<v Speaker 4>Zach Taylor and the Bengals so much credit for for

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<v Speaker 4>letting these guys be themselves because they get it. They

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<v Speaker 4>know the upside to a team operating this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's one final chapter to this topic, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the Bengals tossing another log on the fire recently

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<v Speaker 1>with Pat Who, which some of the Chiefs seemed to

0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.040
<v Speaker 1>take exception to. Here's my question, what do you think

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.680
<v Speaker 1>of this rivalry Bengals Chiefs back to back AFC Championship games.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals won the first, the Chiefs won the second,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of discourse between the two rosters.

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<v Speaker 4>It's good for the game, it's again, it's refreshing. I

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<v Speaker 4>think Dan. I mean, you've covered football a lot longer

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<v Speaker 4>than me. I feel like, this, what year did you

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<v Speaker 4>start covering I don't want to say year old, and

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<v Speaker 4>then you know, proceed to show how old do you are?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was accurate. So I graduated from our

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.280
<v Speaker 1>alma mater, Syracuse in nineteen eighty five, so I was

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<v Speaker 1>covering the Buffalo Bills mostly shortly after that for a

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 1>TV station in Syracuse.

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<v Speaker 4>So even I feel like even in the eighties, most

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<v Speaker 4>of the nineties, maybe even early two thousand's, this was

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<v Speaker 4>a little more normal I get. I guess kind of

0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:47.760
<v Speaker 4>pre social media. Social media is maybe sanitized the coverage

0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:51.680
<v Speaker 4>of pro football more than anything. But I think that

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<v Speaker 4>when made sports great, would makes sports great over the year,

0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.720
<v Speaker 4>our rivalries and players john back and forth, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's gonna be settled on the field. But you can

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.400
<v Speaker 4>have all the theatrics, and you can have all these opinions,

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.639
<v Speaker 4>and you can have you know, Pat Who in the

0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.919
<v Speaker 4>middle of you know, the dead part of the NFL calendar.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great. I think it's just good. I don't know

0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:19.479
<v Speaker 4>how anybody could get upset or look down upon Jamar

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:23.440
<v Speaker 4>Chase Poort a little gasoline under the fire. Because these

0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.160
<v Speaker 4>two teams aren't going anywhere. Because these two quarterbacks aren't

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<v Speaker 4>going anywhere, you might as well have fun with it,

0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.720
<v Speaker 4>lean into it. I got to think back to the

0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:35.760
<v Speaker 4>Lakers and the Celtics. I was born in eighty seven,

0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.360
<v Speaker 4>so I didn't I didn't live it in real time. Sorry, Dan,

0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:43.920
<v Speaker 4>to watch those documentaries and just anything that you can

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:48.000
<v Speaker 4>devour on YouTube, just how much those two teams hated

0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:50.160
<v Speaker 4>each other, loathed each other. I mean, you had those

0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:54.160
<v Speaker 4>rivalries and in all of sports, and you don't really

0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:55.840
<v Speaker 4>get it. You definitely don't get it in the NBA.

0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 4>I mean, these players are all just kind of mercenaries.

0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 4>They use their destination on a year to year basis,

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 4>so there really isn't any loyalty and you don't really

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:09.119
<v Speaker 4>have right I mean, I mean, Kevin Durant owned the

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.800
<v Speaker 4>Golden State Warriors, and now Chris Paul went to the

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 4>Golden Like there are players who have been opinionated about

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.200
<v Speaker 4>certain teams and then they just join that team, where

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.679
<v Speaker 4>in football, at least guys do stay on their team

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 4>for an extended period of time or ten two so

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.480
<v Speaker 4>you have a chance at a real rivalry. But Also

0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:32.440
<v Speaker 4>in football, unlike the NBA, you don't get such authenticity

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 4>out of the participants, right. It's it's individualism is a

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.680
<v Speaker 4>little more controlled. You know, they have helmets on on

0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 4>the field, but can see their faces and the and

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 4>the heat of the moment as much like we do NBA.

0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 4>And so anytime players start drawing back and forth and

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 4>leaning into, uh, you know, the hatred of an opponent,

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.200
<v Speaker 4>I think that's I think it's good. It's it's entertaining.

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 4>But guess what, It's a violent game, the most violent

0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.640
<v Speaker 4>team sport on Earth. And I say that in the

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 4>best possible way. That's why we love football. So guys

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 4>should just say what's on their minds. It's emotional.

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. Rivalries are good. We're chatting with Tyler

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Dunn from golongtd dot com. He is also the author

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of the book Blood and Guts How Tight Ends Save Football.

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 1>We're about a month away from the start of training

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:22.160
<v Speaker 1>camps around the NFL. Where do you think the Bengals

0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:26.680
<v Speaker 1>stack up with teams like the Chiefs, the Eagles, the Bills,

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the forty nine ers, whichever powerhouse you have at the

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 1>top of your list.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they're obviously right there. As long as Joe

0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 4>Burrow's healthy, they'll always be right there. And I guess

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 4>it's really simplized, a simplified way to put it, but

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 4>he is unbelievable. I'm sure that you've struggled to find

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:52.399
<v Speaker 4>new superlatives and new ways to describe what makes them special.

0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 4>But I'd really thought that last season, what he was

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 4>able to do and being patient was such a big

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.399
<v Speaker 4>step for his personal growth. The teams dared him to

0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 4>check the ball down, dared the Bengals to run, dared

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 4>them to go eight, nine, ten plays on their way

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 4>to the end zone. And a lot of these quarterbacks

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 4>get antsy. A lot of the best ever get antsy.

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 4>Patrick Mahomes gets antsy, and they want to force that

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 4>ball into that tight window. And you know, Kurt Warner

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 4>pointed this play out to me and I didn't even

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 4>realize it, but one of Patrick Mahomes's best highlights from

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 4>this past season was that little flip he had. I

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 4>think it was Jack mckinn. He kind of rolls right

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 4>and he was like a push flip. It was crazy.

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's the only person on the planet that

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.439
<v Speaker 4>can make that play. But Kurt Warner said, Look, if

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 4>you watch that play, you know from above he has

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 4>a receiver wide open on the other side side of

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 4>the field. If he just plants that back foot sees

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:52.640
<v Speaker 4>it gets rid of it, Boom, it's a completion. It's

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 4>within the rhythm of the offense. No quarterback in football

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:58.679
<v Speaker 4>plays within the rhythm of an offense better than Joe Burrow.

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.919
<v Speaker 4>And I think for him to play as patiently and

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:05.840
<v Speaker 4>deliberately as he did last season was a step and

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:10.479
<v Speaker 4>in year three that you just don't really see at

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 4>the most quarterbacks. And I'll tell you this, Dana drew

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 4>the envy of the Buffalo Bills. I'm going to dive

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 4>into this conversation, but I had Isaiah McKenzie on a

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 4>Happy Hour a Here at Go Along did a show

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:26.639
<v Speaker 4>with him the last two seasons when he was a

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 4>member of the Bills now with the Indianapolis Colts. But

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.639
<v Speaker 4>he was as candid as I've heard anybody on the

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 4>Bills about that playoff loss and what went down, and

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 4>again back to social media, and you know what we

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.879
<v Speaker 4>hate about all of that In twenty twenty three, I

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 4>can't even blame Jamar Chase and Tyler Boyd and the

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.199
<v Speaker 4>Bengals for getting pissed off at Isaiah. And you know,

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 4>he had the comment it would have been a different

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 4>game in a dome. He didn't say they'd win, he

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.119
<v Speaker 4>decided it would be a different game. I think it

0:26:56.160 --> 0:27:00.159
<v Speaker 4>was interpreted by the Bengals as like a slight as

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:05.120
<v Speaker 4>a dig at Cincinnati. He was digging the Bills if

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 4>you listened to him in full. He was really criticizing

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 4>Ken Dorsey's offense in Buffalo in the fact that it's

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 4>just too boom or bust. It was like, if the

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 4>big plays were hitting, it was great. He wants to

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 4>take those shots. But Isaiah's like, I'm looking at Joe

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 4>Burrow and the Bengals and you know, guys are running six, seven,

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 4>eight yards turned around and it's quick. But he completed

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 4>passes to like seven or eight different receivers in the

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:33.200
<v Speaker 4>first quarter alone, and he says, we should have been

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:35.360
<v Speaker 4>doing that, and the Bills weren't. They had these long,

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 4>developing plays. They were trying to hit the deep shot

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:41.359
<v Speaker 4>and they could do it. They weren't built to play

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 4>in the snow, which is crazy. It's not what the

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 4>snow sneaks up on you in Western New York because

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, Dan, it's not like all of a sudden,

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 4>there's a blizzard. Oh my god, what happened? It's snowing.

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 4>But they weren't. They had no running game without Brian Dable,

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 4>They really had no short passing game. Isaiah mackenzie was

0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:00.640
<v Speaker 4>gonna be the slot receiver their version of Coleby Bes

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 4>left and didn't even really use him as a slot receiver,

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 4>and it was a mess. The Bengals were more equipped

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 4>to win that game because of their passing game the

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 4>way it was structured, but they was physically tougher, mentally tougher,

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 4>and that game fell over from the word go a

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.439
<v Speaker 4>lot like the tomorrow Hamma game felt, honestly. I mean,

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 4>I think that would have probably been a Cincinnati blew

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 4>out as well. So I think there's a huge divide

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 4>between these two teams. I mean, maybe Buffalo closed it.

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 4>I think they made a lot of really good decisions

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 4>this offseason. They work in the fringes of free agency,

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 4>but man, between the digs drama, Dorsey need to figure

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 4>things out the fact that Cincinnati hasn't had to make

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 4>those really hard financial decisions quite yet. I still like

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 4>Cincinnati a little bit more than Buffalo.

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad you brought up Isaiah McKenzie's comments because

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of Bengals fans heard just the

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>following that somebody on the Bills blamed the loss on

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>the snow without knowing any of the context. And some

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 1>people have said, well, what did they think that the

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Bengals uniforms blended in with a snow or something like that,

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>because the Bengals were wearing white. But the fact of

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>the matter is Isaiah McKenzie on your podcast basically said

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>the snow was a problem for Buffalo because they were

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>throwing the ball too far down the field and the

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 1>receivers are having trouble with the timing of the routes

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 1>because of the bad footing, etc. That was basically the

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>gist of it.

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 4>Right totally, And he's right. It would have been a

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 4>different game on a fast track in a dome, completely

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 4>eliminating weather from the equation. I think Cincinnati still wins.

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 4>And I bet you if you were too back Isaiah

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 4>into a corner, he'd probably admit the Cincinnati still wins

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 4>that game, but it is a different game. And I

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 4>think that you know, the Bengals shouldn't really take offence

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 4>because he's really criticizing the Bills and the structure of

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 4>their offense and the fact that they were just too finase.

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 4>He kind of said what a lot of people on

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 4>that team are thinking, but can't say. You know, he's

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 4>a member of the Colts now, so he's speaking a

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 4>little more freely. But he kind of chuckled and said, look,

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 4>we don't We did not have a running game. We

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 4>had nothing. So you know, when teams sit back on

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 4>the Bills like they did the Bengals, it's not like

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 4>they can just hand the ball off to a Joe

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 4>Mixon or anybody back there and win five yards at

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 4>a time that the line wasn't really built that way,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 4>the play calling wasn't structured that way. And it's Cincinnati

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 4>absolutely clobbered the Bills. I mean, that was gosh, it's

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, we'll look back at that game, Dan, We'll

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 4>see the box score and some of the stats. It's

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 4>not going to do it justice. I mean, they really

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 4>did embarrass the Bills in their own stadium.

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>So, speaking of offseason moves, the Bengals have at least

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.080
<v Speaker 1>on paper, significantly upgraded their offensive line with the addition

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>of Orlando Brown Junior, the best free agent offensive lineman

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 1>that was on the market. Were you shocked by that move?

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I think many people here in Cincinnati, myself included, didn't

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>see it coming.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 4>It was one of those rare moves in free agency

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 4>where you almost remember where you were when it happened.

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 4>When it did kind of break Twitter, I was just

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 4>I was like laying in bed doing what a lot

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 4>of us do, just kind of half asleep and half

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 4>awake and scroll doom scrolling. I'm like, what the he?

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 4>How did Cincinnati got Orlando Brown? I think I assume

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 4>Cincinnati was in a similar position as Buffalo. I get

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 4>may maybe not quite yet, but they weren't in a

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 4>position to spend I guess subconsciously, I'm thinking, you gotta

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 4>hang up for Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, do your best

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 4>to keep Tea Higgins. They just didn't seem to be

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 4>a team to be in the market for the best

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 4>offensive tackle out there. For whatever reason, Orlando Brown just

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:57.959
<v Speaker 4>didn't get what Orlando Brown thought he was going to

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 4>that first wave, and you have to credit the Bengals

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 4>in their front office for just being patient. This is

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 4>what the best teams do like, they don't panic, they

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 4>don't do anything rash those first twenty four to forty

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 4>eight hours. They kind of let the silly money just

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 4>get spent. And I say that hesitantly because like the

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 4>Jacksonville Jaguars spent like crazy a year ago and it

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 4>worked out, and then two years ago, Cincinnati spent like

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 4>crazy and it worked out. So I'm not the kind

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 4>of guy that just blast teams for spending a lot

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 4>of money, because if you've got a really good quarterback

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 4>Trevor Lawrence Joe Burrow, and you've got money to spend,

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 4>you better spend it because that's that can be what

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 4>elevates you. And now these two teams they might be

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 4>playing in the AFC Championship Game. So that being said, though,

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 4>where Cincinnati was that it just made sense to kind

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 4>of let a lot of that money fly. And they're

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 4>probably looking at it like a lot of us, thinking,

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 4>how in the hell is Orlando Brown not signing a

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 4>contract with anybody. The Chiefs were probably even surprised they

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 4>went ahead and got a different tackle because I assumed

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 4>they didn't think they could keep Orlando Brown, but to

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 4>steal him from Kansas City is such a coup. I'm

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 4>not telling your viewers and listeners anything. They don't know

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 4>what the last two seasons ended for the Bengals because

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 4>of a key pass protection moment where they weren't able

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 4>to give Joe Burrow that extra split second. And that's

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 4>where Burrow is different.

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 5>I mean, if he has just a little bit more time,

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 5>the way he reads the field is so unlike anybody

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 5>in football Mahomes, Alan, Lawrence deck Lamar, throw anybody out there,

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 5>Aaron Rodgers.

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 4>Nobody reads the field better than this guy. But he

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 4>just it's scary to think we could do with just

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 4>a little bit more time. And if you can just

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 4>hold up on the edges one on one without chippin' Wethough,

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure they would love to chip on a certain

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 4>play from that AFC Championship game. But if you can

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 4>hold up without chipping, then you've got more receivers out

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 4>there to let him go to work. So it's huge.

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I honestly, I'm not going to sit here

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 4>and act like I'm this offensive line guru. I haven't

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 4>been grinding the Orlando Brown film, but at any time

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 4>I've seen him, even back to the Baltimore days. I mean,

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 4>he's a mountain of a man. It's hard to believe

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 4>that there can be somebody this big on a football field,

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 4>but he bends and he moves pretty well. I mean,

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 4>what do you think, Dan?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some people say that he's not one of

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the best tackles in the NFL. Maybe he's a little

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 1>bit overrated, or he would have been better on the

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 1>right side than the left. So what, He's a four

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>time Pro bowler, he's proven he's durable. The worst case scenario,

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and this is the absolute worst case scenario, is that

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.359
<v Speaker 1>he's top half in the league, which is a significant

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>upgrade and plenty good enough. I'm a subscriber to the

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>theory that your offensive line has to be solid at

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>every position. You don't necessarily have to have Anthony Munos

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>at one of your tackle spots. You just can't have

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 1>anybody that kills you. And with Orlando Brown at twenty

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 1>six years old, at six eight, three hundred and sixty pounds,

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>great attitude, great worth at work, ethic, it's a total

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>no brainer. And throw in the fact that they got

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.800
<v Speaker 1>him for the exact same dollar amount that the Falcons

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 1>are paying Jesse Bates, so they lost to safety and

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.880
<v Speaker 1>added a four time Pro Bowl left tackle who's twenty

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>six years old at the exact same price. So yeah,

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe he's not one of the top five. I don't care.

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:31.399
<v Speaker 1>I personally think he's probably, you know, at least top ten,

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 1>certainly top fifteen, and that's a big upgrade for the

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 1>next four years.

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 4>You just put it so perfectly too. I think this

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 4>is what the best teams do as well as they

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 4>think a year ahead. They're not going to come out

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 4>and say, well, we're going to lose Jesse Bates, so

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 4>we're drafting these players. They planned for this all and

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:57.800
<v Speaker 4>now they finally address what ailed this team, the offensive line.

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 4>It's hard to imagine and that they I'm thinking back

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:04.799
<v Speaker 4>to two years ago that they got to the Super Bowl.

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 4>Of that line especially, it's unbelievable. I mean, quit in Spain. Hey,

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 4>it's it's hard to knock anybody in the NFL. It's

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.360
<v Speaker 4>the best of the best. But here in Buffalo is

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 4>like they couldn't wait to get rid of the guy,

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 4>and he's out there in a Super Bowl trying to

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 4>block Aaron Donald. For them to even get to that

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 4>point says a lot about Joe Burrow and the Bengals.

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 4>So now I'm with you. Just find the five best

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 4>guys up front wherever they are. If you can get

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 4>five guys you can depend on and there's no weak link,

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna be fine.

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 1>And hope you can get to the AFC Championship Game

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>without losing three starters in three consecutive games at the

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:43.439
<v Speaker 1>end of the season. Has happened in the Bengals last year.

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.920
<v Speaker 4>Also, Irv Smith is I mean, he's really good. I

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 4>know he's had injuries on that. That's another spot where

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 4>they kind of you know that you lose a quality

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 4>guy in Hayden Hurst who's jumping over He's still jumping

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 4>over people in Orchard Park probably, but they pivoted so

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 4>well to somebody. Obviously he's got the he's got the

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 4>bloodlines his dad. I believe he was a tight end

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.399
<v Speaker 4>for the Saints through the nineties. He can he can

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 4>block better than most. But another receiving option who's absolutely

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 4>an NFL starter at a at a premium price.

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Our guest is Tyler Dunn from golongtv dot com, author

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>in podcast or I'm going to hit you now with

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 1>some hot button NFL topics and get your opinion on these.

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>You have been critical on golongtd dot com of Aaron Rodgers.

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's gonna work out with the Jets?

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 4>No? I do not. I think that well number one

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:45.760
<v Speaker 4>Father Time is undefeated and the best of the very best,

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.319
<v Speaker 4>inevitably this side of Tom Brady. Right, tom Brady has

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 4>kind of warped reality a little bit with his avocado

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 4>ice cream and Alex Guerrero and who else knows what

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 4>he's doing. I'm just I can't get past the hairline,

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Like couple of ball guys here, what is he? He

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 4>did something, there's some voodoo at play. I don't know what.

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 4>He started losing his hair and then all of a

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:10.279
<v Speaker 4>sudden he's got a full head of hair for the

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 4>rest of his career. So we can't compare Tom Brady

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 4>to anybody because he's not normal, And don't I don't

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 4>think Aaron Rodgers is unique abnormal in that category. It's

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 4>Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, Philip Rivers, Eli,

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 4>Ben Roethlisberger, everybody. When they get to thirty eight, thirty nine,

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 4>forty and you have the season that you saw out

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:39.319
<v Speaker 4>of Aaron Rodgers last year. It doesn't just redirect and

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 4>shoot back up very rarely does it because he didn't

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 4>see the field that well. There were open receivers, he

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 4>just didn't hit him. He wasn't running Matt Lafleur's offense

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 4>play in and play out. There was a point last

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 4>season when they lost to the Jets, Commanders and the Giants.

0:38:57.960 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 4>I think I have the order wrong there. For those

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:01.799
<v Speaker 4>three back to back to back losses, that's where green

0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 4>Bay season really went downhill. I want to say he

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 4>had like one hundred and ten dropbacks and Aaron Jones

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:11.239
<v Speaker 4>and aj Dillon combined for like fifty carries. So they

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:12.879
<v Speaker 4>got away from the strength of the team. And that's

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 4>Aaron Rodgers. He's got the autonomy at the line of

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 4>scrimmage to change whatever play he wants, and rightfully so

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 4>he's seen everything. But that really only works if you've

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 4>got Davante Adams out there and thousands upon thousands of

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 4>reps baked in. I mean, and it took time. It

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:32.240
<v Speaker 4>takes a long time to get on Aaron Rodgers intellectual level.

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 4>It took Jordan Nelson a while, Randall Cobb awhile Davante

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 4>Adams was written off as a bust in Year two,

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.359
<v Speaker 4>Terrible Year two, a lot of drops, and then all

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 4>of a sudden, Aaron Rodgers has went in two MVPs

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 4>with him, So I can't see him just going to

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 4>another team with new players. Maybe he has pissed off,

0:39:56.120 --> 0:40:00.600
<v Speaker 4>goes full heel. He's already been taking shots green Bay

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 4>at every opportunity, trying to rewrite history the best he can.

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 4>As we all know, if you start lying, it's hard

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 4>to keep track of your lies. And I feel like

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 4>that's how Aaron Rodgers is trying to paint his exit

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.800
<v Speaker 4>from green Bay, and green Bay is just sitting there like, okay,

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 4>whatever Aaron. Like they don't want to talk about the

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 4>Crazy X like many of us do, not, like we

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 4>don't want to relive that dark time in our lives.

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 4>Or they're just like, get out of here. We're moving

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 4>on to Jordan Love. So we're never really going to

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 4>hear their side of the story, not at length, but

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 4>everything we do know because Aaron just keeps going on

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:41.840
<v Speaker 4>and on about the packer's not facetiming him when he

0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 4>had one bar. But oh yeah, they tried to reach out.

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 4>It's it's at some point he'll do what he did

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:50.439
<v Speaker 4>last year and throw teammates under the bus. He goes

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.839
<v Speaker 4>on McAfee and says, if you don't know what you're

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 4>doing out there, you should be playing. Well, you're a player,

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.359
<v Speaker 4>you're a quarterback. I mean should that apply to yourself. Then,

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 4>when you're not open receivers and you're losing and you're

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 4>not performing, I can't see the sending well. I really,

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 4>especially in that division where the Bills are still really talented.

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:11.239
<v Speaker 4>Miami's loading up for a Super Bowl run. I Vic

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 4>Vangio is arguably the best defensive mind the side of Belichick.

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 4>I mean top three, and they have Jayalen Ramsey who's

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 4>pretty good, and the Patriots. They're s the Patriots. I

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 4>mean that defense is is loaded. They're not going anywhere.

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:30.319
<v Speaker 4>I could easily see the Jets finishing dead last in

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 4>this division, which great, you know, Woody Joe Robert. Was

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 4>it really worth it? I mean, Zach Wilson was that

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 4>much of a disaster that they were so desperate to

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 4>do anything in their power. But I still think there

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 4>could have been a better option out their form. I

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 4>don't make a play for Lamar Jackson. Jackson or hunt

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.720
<v Speaker 4>on this season, Troad drafted quarterback next to or any anything,

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:53.439
<v Speaker 4>but this it's I don't think it's going to end well.

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.720
<v Speaker 4>And if he wins MVP and they make the playoffs

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:57.360
<v Speaker 4>and they go in to the Super Bowl, run have

0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:00.040
<v Speaker 4>me back on and I'll apologize to all your viewers.

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>All right, High button topic number two. Will Deshaun Watson

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.360
<v Speaker 1>returned to being one of the NFL's best quarterbacks in

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 1>his second year in Cleveland.

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 4>Love what Cleveland did, meet and potatoes off season. I mean,

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 4>Dalvin Tomlinson, Juan Thornhill, even trading for Elijah Moore from

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 4>the Jets. One of the best offensive lines in football.

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:26.880
<v Speaker 4>Nick Chubb is exceptional. I don't know, though. It was

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:30.959
<v Speaker 4>really bad. And obviously we're just talking football here, there's

0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 4>all the other stuff when it comes to Deshaun Watson.

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 4>But the rust was even worse than I think we

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 4>all thought it never he never really got better as

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.680
<v Speaker 4>the games continued. So maybe with a full off season

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 4>it'll be better than he was last year. But I

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.879
<v Speaker 4>don't know the Deshaun Watson from early in his career

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 4>that just kind of danced and branched and improvised and

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.360
<v Speaker 4>did whatever he wanted. I don't know if we're going

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.840
<v Speaker 4>to see that player again again, because look at the division,

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 4>Mike Tomlin, I think we'll have him figured out. Baltimore's

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 4>only going to be better, and Lamar's not going anywhere,

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 4>and obviously Cincinnati is going to win the next ten

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 4>super Bowls. Because I'm on your show again, it's like

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 4>a similar to the Jets. It's like you got this

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.359
<v Speaker 4>quarterback and you gave up so much for them. I mean,

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 4>in the Browns case, your soul two hundred and thirty

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 4>guaranteed three first round picks and for what, I don't know,

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 4>a lot of really good people there in terms of

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 4>the front office. I think Andrew Barry, Glenn Cook. They've

0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 4>got smart football people running the show, and I love

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:37.239
<v Speaker 4>what they did this offseason. Then you take a step

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 4>back and you look at the division, it's like, well,

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 4>I don't really know who they overtake here.

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 1>All right, you're in the Buffalo area. Is the Stefan

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Diggs situation a minor blip or a major problem in Buffalo?

0:43:53.960 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 4>Great question. I cannot speak with total conviction one way

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 4>or another, which tends to make me want to say

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 4>it is it is a major problem because if it

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:11.280
<v Speaker 4>was just a blip, we don't know anything. Sean McDermott,

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 4>who's always protecting the players at press conference, I shouldn't say, oh, we'

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 4>see Shuldin protect him after thirteen seconds. I should say

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:21.800
<v Speaker 4>who never says a hell of a lot of anything

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 4>at press conferences, especially when it comes to specifics of

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 4>his players. Made a point to say he was very concerned,

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:30.600
<v Speaker 4>and it was clear he had just gotten out of

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 4>a meeting with Stefan Diggs. Players see Diggs leave the building.

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 4>He's gone. Something was said, He's mad about something. This

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:45.359
<v Speaker 4>is an extension from the Cincinnati playoff loss when he's

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 4>in Josh Allen's space and he had to be coaxed

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:50.839
<v Speaker 4>back into the locker room to hear Sean mcdermot's speech

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 4>by Duke Johnson, a practice squad running back, had to

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 4>convince him to get back in there. You would think

0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 4>that what the four months in between, they would figure

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 4>it out whatever was wrong. They just would sing Kumbaya

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 4>and and and and work out their issues. But those

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 4>issues still exist. They're not going to go way between

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 4>now in training camp. If they didn't go away between

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 4>the divisional playoff round and Mini camp.

0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 3>So is it?

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:18.879
<v Speaker 4>You know, you hear so many different things. I've heard

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 4>many theories stand like he's he's mad at Josh Allen

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 4>because their relationship soured. He's he's mad because he's just

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 4>not getting the ball in these critical playoff moments, mad

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:34.359
<v Speaker 4>about his contract, mad that the seasons keep ending in

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 4>this horrible, tragic fashion. I don't know what's true, but

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:44.080
<v Speaker 4>it's probably a little bit of everything. And I think

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:47.759
<v Speaker 4>that there is a disconnect with him and Sean McDermott.

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 4>I think that's obvious. But I do think that the

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 4>Bills knew what they signed up for. Like he wanted

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:58.239
<v Speaker 4>to get the hell out of Minnesota rightfully, so he

0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.839
<v Speaker 4>didn't like where the offense was going with Zimmer kind

0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.880
<v Speaker 4>of bringing it back to the nineties. He felt it

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.479
<v Speaker 4>was a little archaic. Wasn't taking advantage of a skill set?

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.920
<v Speaker 4>Gets to Buffalo and you know the risk that you're

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:14.399
<v Speaker 4>taking on. But in my opinions, it's worth the risk.

0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:17.479
<v Speaker 4>Because everybody I've talked to, whether it was Chadhall who's

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 4>no longer here, who knows Maybe that's another reason he's upset.

0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:24.839
<v Speaker 4>The wide receivers coach Isaiah McKenzie. Players on both sides

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 4>of the ball. They say, like Diggs is the one

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 4>who really kind of changed the atmosphere at One Bill's Drive.

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:31.000
<v Speaker 4>You know, this was a team that did make the

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 4>playoffs for seventeen years, they've they've never really had a

0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:40.360
<v Speaker 4>upper echelon, alpha dog, maniacal competitor like Stefan Diggs. He

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<v Speaker 4>is as insane of a competitor, intensive a competitors you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna find in football. And that's gonna come with a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of baggage. It's gonna come with what we see

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<v Speaker 4>the offseason and him clashing with the head coach and

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<v Speaker 4>getting in Allen's face and all of that. But I

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<v Speaker 4>think if you're the Bills, you just you just have

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<v Speaker 4>to accept it. You don't have to embrace it, but

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<v Speaker 4>you have to accept it because the alternative isn't that pretty.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think you can get much if you traded

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<v Speaker 4>him at this point, at his age. The other receivers

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<v Speaker 4>are good, not special. For better or worse. You better

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<v Speaker 4>figure it out, Buffalo, because you need him if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to keep pace with Cincinnati, with Kansas City, even

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<v Speaker 4>Jacksonville in the AFC.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest has been Tyler Dunn. The website is golongtd

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. I have a very happy subscriber for folks

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<v Speaker 1>who are not familiar with it. Explain what it is

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<v Speaker 1>and how they can get it.

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<v Speaker 4>No doubt. I just feel like your listeners, all the

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<v Speaker 4>fans across the country are the ones pouring their hard

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<v Speaker 4>earned money into this product to fill stadiums, to buy

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<v Speaker 4>Sunday ticket packages which are reaching astronomical heights. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you pour not just money, but your heart and soul

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<v Speaker 4>into the sport. So I just feel like with where

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of sports media is, it's gone toward the

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.800
<v Speaker 4>gifts and the tweets and the takes and the memes

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<v Speaker 4>and the fast food and everything's very, very bite sized.

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<v Speaker 4>So when I launched Go Along three years ago, it

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<v Speaker 4>was to kind of attack from that that other end

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<v Speaker 4>of the spectrum and give people a story that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>might take a half hour to read, but you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>learn something. It's gonna help explain the sport or a

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<v Speaker 4>particular player that you think you know a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>about but you really don't know. And it does take

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<v Speaker 4>just you know, special personalities like those in Cincinnati being

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<v Speaker 4>willing to sit down and open up. So I'm very

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<v Speaker 4>fortunate you know that so many of those players with

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<v Speaker 4>the Bengals are willing to kind of go down that road,

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<v Speaker 4>and they don't just want to few a few cliches

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<v Speaker 4>and and kind of go along their merry way. They're

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<v Speaker 4>like a DJ Reader was unbelievable last year. It was

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<v Speaker 4>so cool getting to know him. But they want to

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<v Speaker 4>sit down and explain their lives makes them tick. And hey,

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<v Speaker 4>if that's what if folks want to do and take

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<v Speaker 4>their brains back a little bit right in the social

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<v Speaker 4>media world. Hopefully we can keep this thing going. So

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<v Speaker 4>I can't thank everybody out there enough for subscribing. We've

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<v Speaker 4>got a great Bengals base and I'll definitely be out

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<v Speaker 4>there for training camp.

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