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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, Bobby Bones here, today's guest. One of my favorites.

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Speaker 2: It is Stephen Wilson Junior. He has been killing it lately.

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Speaker 2: He was nominated for New Artist of the Year last

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Speaker 2: year Cmas. He performed stand By Me. It was amazing.

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Speaker 2: The crowd went crazy. We talk about that. His album

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Speaker 2: Son of a Dad, came out last year, thirty four

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Speaker 2: songs basically dedicated to his dad who passed away. We

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Speaker 2: get into that here he's kicking off a whole new

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Speaker 2: chapter with a single Gary, and he's gearing up for

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Speaker 2: the Gary the Torch twenty twenty six tour, and go

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Speaker 2: to Stephen Wilson Junior dot com for tickets there. He's

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Speaker 2: also we talk about this way later. I'm married to

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Speaker 2: Lee Nash. The leads up six pencent on the Richer,

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Speaker 2: which fun fact, So we get into all that one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite artists right now in country music. Here

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Speaker 2: he is Steven Wilson Jr. When did you start playing

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Speaker 1: Around sixteen? My dad got me my first guitar for

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Speaker 2: Was it was there science and music to you? Like

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Speaker 2: Do you think his dad imprinted that on him big time?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because they worked. They grew up in

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Speaker 1: When I graduated from college, I couldn't have couldn't have

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Speaker 2: Well, you taught him something, yeah, totally. Not only are

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Speaker 2: And you get to college, did you you had an

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Speaker 1: first got into that company, like it was real quiet

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00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 1: because it was such a comfortable job. It was this

435
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: new world, but there was this quiet kind of feeling.

436
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: But I could deal with it. It was it was

437
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: something I could cope with. And then as a couple

438
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: of years went down, it got quite louder. And if

439
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: I could translate what the frequency was saying into English,

440
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: it said you're not supposed to be here. That's only

441
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 1: I know, That's what it was saying. Whatever that sound is.

442
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: And I would hear it and I know it, and

443
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, whatever, but this job is, I'm

444
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: doing well here and keep my head down. And eventually

445
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: that feeling got louder, I mean honestly deafening towards the end,

446
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: right around the Golden handcuffs conversation. So like, while this

447
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: dude is telling me this, I got this like roaring

448
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: feeling in my head. I think that he can even

449
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: hear at this point or kind of sense, and which

450
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: was so wild because when he said you're not supposed

451
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: to be here, I was like, oh my god, he

452
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: just literally said what I'm hearing. And so it really

453
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: helped me make that decision. But what really did it?

454
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: What made me like actually put in my two weeks

455
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: because you know, I spent six weeks pondering at what

456
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: if it's this, what if this happened? Scenario? Planning this

457
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: and that. But the thing, the deal breaker for me

458
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: was one day, what if one day you walk into

459
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: this office and that sound, that feeling that you can

460
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: hear is gone. What if it just gives up on you?

461
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: And that honestly, I was like, that day would destroy me.

462
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'd recover from it. And then

463
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm out of here. So that was

464
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: I'd rather blow up my world now than to go

465
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: through that later. And so that was really that's really

466
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: what did it. So there was like a kind of

467
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: a bigger presence, a bigger influence that had a lot

468
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: to do with it, and my dad being the cornerman

469
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 1: that he is. He was always in my corner in

470
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: the fights. He was my trainer from day one, and

471
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: he became a trainer in that moment too, like a

472
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: cornerman straight up. Like when I left that job, he

473
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: was like my number one go to and uh for what?

474
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: Just advice? Like am I crazy to quit this job?

475
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: And he told me out never forget. He said, you're

476
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: you're crazy not to quit that job, because you know,

477
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: like and I could see that, you know, going back

478
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: to his dreams as a boxer. I could hear that

479
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: young fighter that you know, could have been something. I

480
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: could hear that part in his voice, and so so

481
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: that that helped a lot too. And then when I

482
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: quit the job, I went and bartended and waited tables

483
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: for three years and he was like in my corner

484
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: the whole time. I got rejected more in one week

485
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: than most people experience in a lifetime. You just get

486
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: constantly told no, no, no, you don't write songs about

487
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: trucks and beer. You're really weird, you're too old.

488
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: You're trying to a publishing deal.

489
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: And I was just trying to get a publishing deal.

490
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: I was just trying to get other people to sing

491
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: my songs. And I'd get meetings occasionally here and there,

492
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: but I would just be told, like, you know, it

493
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: was a pretty much a resounding no, like this isn't

494
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: going to work here. You're not going to work here.

495
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: And then this guy named Chris Oglesby at BMG Publishing,

496
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: a thirty year veteran in the publishing industry. He's been

497
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: through it all. Signed Craig Wiseman. He signed so many

498
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: of my heroes. And he heard one of my weird

499
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: songs at a guitar pool and I was on a

500
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: Friday and he said, come into my office on Monday.

501
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you.

502
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: You were playing it, Yeah.

503
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: I was playing at this guitar pool. I just got

504
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 1: it right now.

505
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 2: You're singing, though, this is the first time you said

506
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: you sang.

507
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: No, I'm singing at this point, so you're you know,

508
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: I've quit my job. You know, I've been waiting tables

509
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: for three years. I've had to start singing. I've had

510
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: to start learning how to sing during this waiting.

511
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: Where did you sing first?

512
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: The first time I ever sang was at Bluebird Cafe.

513
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a heavy place to sing for the

514
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: really time.

515
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: It really is, and it was. It was a big

516
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 1: moment for me. I was like, you know you're doing this.

517
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: You quit your job, told everybody you're going to be

518
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: a songwriter. You're at Bluebird Cafe. It's time to go.

519
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: What was that nice?

520
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: It was like in their boxing terms, it was like

521
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: ding ding ding, it's time to was it?

522
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: Did you put your name in? Did where? Did you

523
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: have friends that were there?

524
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: They had a friend that invited me to be part,

525
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, not part of the round, but he like

526
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: let me take his spot for one song, just invited

527
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: me in as a guest.

528
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: Nervous going into it.

529
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm so nervous. I was terrified, and you know, but

530
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: I did it. And that was the first place I

531
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: ever sang and then I found myself going After that moment,

532
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: I would sign up for any open mic night at

533
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: the Commodore. I played at the Commodore Grill, that holiday

534
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: Inn place like a Debbie champion. She's my champion. She

535
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: like had me in so many nights to come in

536
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: and play, just to like start developing like some kind

537
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: of confidence to perform in front of people, not to

538
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: be an artist, but just to go to the listening

539
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: room and play a song and have an impact on somebody.

540
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: And then eventually I started getting you know, you know,

541
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: I went to Puckets like every night and played their

542
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: Writer's Night. I would sign up for everything I could,

543
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: and while I was waiting tables and doing all that stuff,

544
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: and that's where, you know, I really kind of learned

545
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: to at least begin to sing. And I didn't. I

546
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: still thought like, I don't have a voice. I'm just singing.

547
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: I have a songwriter's voice. I have a voice that's

548
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: just good enough to sell the song. In my mind,

549
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: that's what I was telling myself. And I went to

550
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: this guitar pool. I got invited to it at BMG

551
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: through some mutual friends. I said, played that song. Chris

552
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: invited me in on Monday and he said, man, that

553
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: song you played. I just I was blown away by it.

554
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: And I think you're seven years ahead of this town.

555
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: And I've been around this town a long time, and

556
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: I just I think you're you're making great music, but

557
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: it's going to take a while for this town to

558
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: catch up to it. And I believe like seven years.

559
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, God, that's so long. And He's

560
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: like and I was like oh, well, thanks for the advice.

561
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: And he was like no, seven, yeah. No. He was like, no,

562
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: I want just to tell you how serious I am.

563
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: And he pressed in aro on his laptop a publishing

564
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: deal printed out from a printer behind him.

565
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: That really happened, really happened.

566
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 1: And he turned around, pulled it out and put it

567
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: on the table and he's like, for the love of God,

568
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: don't sign this right now. This is you. Take this

569
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: to your lawyer, get this properly, broker. But I just

570
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: want to let you know this is what I see

571
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: in you. I think you're going to change this town.

572
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: And this is how serious I am about it. And

573
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're getting a lot of these.

574
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: I hadn't gotten zero and uh. And I was like, okay, cool,

575
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: think about it. And he I was like, oh my god. Yeah.

576
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: And you know, he's like, my plan is to put

577
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: you in the rooms with the greatest songwriters in this

578
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: town because I think you're you could be. He said,

579
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: you're going to be a Hall of Famer.

580
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: Did you believe he felt that way?

581
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: I did be only because he was Chris Oglesby. Like,

582
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: if anybody else told me that, I would have been

583
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: like you are full of it, Like, but it's Oglesby,

584
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: like he's seen all this, like he he signed and

585
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: developed wise men, he's signing like he's all these writers

586
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: that you know, I would have killed the gout in

587
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: the room with so so I did believe him, but

588
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's wild, but okay, and he's like,

589
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: but it's gonna take a while that we're gonna get

590
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: you there, and I'm gonna I'm gonna help you in

591
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: any way I can. And he did, and sure, sure

592
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: enough he just started. I signed that deal like a

593
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: week or two after that.

594
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

595
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

596
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: Did him seeing that in you help you see that

597
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: in you little more?

598
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah? I Mean his belief in me, uh was

599
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: like fuel, Like it was so much fuel. And he

600
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of became in a weird way of kind of

601
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: a father figure for me in this town. He may

602
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: not like to hear that, but you know, he became

603
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: like family. He came to my dad's funeral, you know,

604
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: he showed up right, you know, because this is twenty sixteen.

605
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: My dad died in twenty eighteen. So I spent a

606
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: couple of years writing with everybody writing two hundred songs

607
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: a year doubles, you know, two songs a day, three

608
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: songs a day sometimes. And I play my dad all

609
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: my demos because he was like such a great you know,

610
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: resource for criticism, like red light, green Light. It wasn't

611
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: like he was going you should change this on the chorus.

612
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: He's just going to be like it.

613
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: Wasn't off any tips on the bridge.

614
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: No, not at all, cut the bridge, dude. But yeah,

615
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: he he was such a great resource for that. And

616
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: I'd play him all my demos and and you know,

617
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: he loved Chris because he took a chance on me.

618
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: I remember him like, shake in Chris's hand and like,

619
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: thank you for taking a chance on my boy. You

620
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: won't regret it. I remember him saying that, like I

621
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: was like, shut up, dad, and uh, because he had

622
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: My dad had so much belief in me, Like it

623
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: was like it was an an unhealthy amount of belief

624
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: in me at the time, Like I I was like,

625
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: you're just you're just my dad, and you're just very

626
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: biased and it's very sweet of you, but it was

627
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: really like an insane belief. He would tell me these things,

628
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: and it turns out he was right like and Chris,

629
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: when my dad died, you know, Chris kind of like

630
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: swooped in and became the kind of like the coach

631
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: in the corner after the cornerman died, like when my

632
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: mickey was gone, like you still have to have somebody

633
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: there to hold a bucket for you to spit in.

634
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: And Chris was that guy. And uh and when he

635
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: my dad died, like my dad used to, you know,

636
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: tell me like, well, why don't you just sing these songs?

637
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: Because I was so new to singing and so insecure

638
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: about it. And I'd be like that, I'm a writer.

639
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: I write the song, someone else sings them. That's how

640
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: this works. You know. My publisher didn't sign me to

641
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: sing songs. They signed me to write songs. He's like, okay, whatever,

642
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: do you sound great? And I thought I sounded not great.

643
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: And I had this song called I'm a song that

644
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: I had written and I put it out, you know,

645
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and it's really changed my

646
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: life as a song. And he heard me play that

647
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: song like a week after I wrote it, and he

648
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: recorded it with his phone and he told me, like, Steve,

649
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: that's my favorite song I've ever heard, and I was like,

650
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: I mean, once again, I think you're just being and

651
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: biased and he's like, no, you really need to listen

652
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: to me. That that song like changed me. It's like really,

653
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: it's my favorite song ever. And I was, Okay, it's weird.

654
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: And then he died like a little over a month

655
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: or so after that conversation. He had a pulmonary embolism,

656
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: a blood clot and his lungs and yeah, he was

657
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: fifty nine years old. He wasn't supposed to.

658
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: Die, and so there was nothing leading up to that reason.

659
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: Well, he'd been diagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis about six months prior,

660
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: and that might have been like something that helped was

661
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: associated to it, but could have been. There's there's like

662
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: three or four different factors that could have caused it,

663
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, the doctors say. But that was most likely

664
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: an at least an attributing factor, and it was that's

665
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: a very serious illness. And we had gotten that diagnosis

666
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: about six months before he passed. And it doesn't kill

667
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: people in six months by any by any means. But

668
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: that that was like a freak thing, and he died quickly.

669
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: It doesn't nobody dies quickly. From that it was and

670
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: I said goodbye to him on an iPhone eight in

671
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: the middle of Kentucky on the side of the road.

672
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: What do you mean he called you?

673
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: My sister did and my you know, I was writing

674
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: in Texas on this artist writer's retreat, and my sister said,

675
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: we're Dad's not he's having some serious issues. We're taking

676
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: him into the hospital. He's got to get an operation.

677
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: And uh, he went and got an operation. And he

678
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: texted me that night He's like, Steven, I almost you know,

679
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I almost They almost got me.

680
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: Last night. He was joking around about it and uh

681
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: that he was feeling really good. And I was flying

682
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: beelining at home to go spend the weekend with him

683
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: in the hospital because he's supposed to be released in

684
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: like two days. And you know, I was just gonna

685
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: go out with him to make his weekend better. And

686
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: I had just gotten in and it was nine o'clock

687
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: in the morning, and my sister called me hysterically and

688
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: she said, you have to get here now, and I

689
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna make it. You'd better start driving,

690
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: And you know, I started driving like one hundred miles

691
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: an hour and it's in southern Indiana. It's about three

692
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: and a half hours away. I thought, man, I can

693
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: make it, you know, I didn't. I was in the

694
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: middle of Kentucky and she called me and she said,

695
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: answer your phone now or or you're not going to

696
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: get to And I pulled over on the side of

697
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: a highway, on the shoulder of the road, and we

698
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: said our goodbyes. And it was terrible, obviously, it was

699
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: like the worst day of my life. And his last

700
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: words were write a good song for me, Stephen, and

701
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: and he said four I love yous and he was gone,

702
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: and and I just about tore my my steering wheel

703
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: off the car. I almost like destroyed the whole car.

704
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: Like I was so angry at God. I was so

705
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: like angry at him, like like, how dare you die

706
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: on me like that? How dare you like leave me

707
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: in this moment, like, you know, which was so selfish,

708
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: self centered of me to think. But he had no

709
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: clue what he just did in that moment. I remember

710
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: saying that out loud. I was like, you have no

711
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: clue what you've just done, and and like and that's

712
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: where all of this started. And that song I'm a song.

713
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: My first performance as an artist, you know, really was

714
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: at his funeral. I sang that song at his funeral,

715
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: and I was That's when I knew everything was about

716
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: to be different.

717
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: And how hard was that to I had to speak

718
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: of my mom's funeral and I broke down and it

719
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: was hard for me to get through it. And I

720
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: got I'm not a big son and from above guy.

721
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: Almost if I can't touch it, it's hard for me

722
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: to believe it. Almost. And I was speaking at my

723
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: mom's funeral and I was having trouble talking as one would,

724
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: and it was it felt a little more violent than

725
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: crying because it wasn't My eyes weren't wet. I was

726
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: really struggling. And I'm not an emotional guy, not generally.

727
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: I you know, I've kind of killed the uppers and

728
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: the lowers, you know, just being a trauma kid, you

729
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: don't want to have to go through the crap, so

730
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: you don't let yourself fall that low, so you can't

731
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: get that high. So I just even lyne yep, but

732
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: I it was really taking me over. I didn't expect

733
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: to have it happen. And uh, I'm talking and I'm

734
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: breaking down and I'm having to just pause. And there's

735
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: a phone that rings in the audience. I guess it's

736
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: not all. Everything's an audience to me, and that's that's

737
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: so weird that called that an audience, because that's not weird.

738
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: And so there's a there's a phone that rings, and

739
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: it was a ring tone of Bad bad Le Roy Brown,

740
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: you know, Bad Bad Lee Roy Brown Baddest Man in

741
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: the Hold And that was one of my mom's favorite songs.

742
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: And when that song hit, it just kind of zipped

743
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: me up focused in a really organic way, but like

744
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: something happened there. It was that song that guy. I

745
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 2: didn't even know that guy. He was like a friend

746
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: of an uncle or something. That song played out loud,

747
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: and again, I'm just not a big sign guy, but

748
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 2: if I were, that would have been a freaking sign. Yeah,

749
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: and I got through it. It was one of my final performances,

750
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: and but I remember just thinking, like, I don't know, man,

751
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: like something happened right there. I don't know what happened

752
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: right there, but something happened right there. Do you believe

753
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: in that kind of stuff?

754
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I have no choice not but not to

755
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: At this point, like the evidence has become overwhelming. I

756
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: think God knew I would need a real smack in

757
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: the face with a two by four of evidence. I wasn't,

758
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: you know. I'm kind of a natural born skeptic, as

759
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: scientists scientists generally are, you know, that's why they become scientists.

760
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: And but yeah, you know when I when I sang

761
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: it at his funeral.

762
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my point. Did you get through it without crying?

763
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: I did?

764
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know, some kind of string from some

765
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: other place showed up that moment, because yeah, there's no

766
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: other reality in which I wouldn't have completely broke down

767
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: in the middle of that song in front of that man. Yeah,

768
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: and it's, you know, my song I wrote, and we

769
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: had the lyrics on the program of the song just

770
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: because of that's how much it meant to him, because

771
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: he was a song. And but no, I I went

772
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: up there and I spoke about my father, and I

773
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: was the only one that spoke about and my siblings

774
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: were just devastated, and so I kind of had to

775
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: speak on behalf of all my siblings because they literally

776
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: couldn't you know. So I had a lot of pressure

777
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: on me as the big brother to be big brother.

778
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: So there was that too, But you know I had

779
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: some some kind of like an armor, like like some

780
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: kind of emotional armor, just for a moment, not for long.

781
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what.

782
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: I felt, like, an emotional armour. I didn't have the

783
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: words to say it like that, but when I had

784
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: heard that song, I had an emotional larmer.

785
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. And fast forward, like you know, quite a few

786
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: years now, well, I'll just say fast forward. Two weeks

787
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: after he died, I was playing this songwriter festival in Deadwood,

788
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: South Dakota, And for about a year I'd been playing

789
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: this cover of stand By Me in my living room

790
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: in this weird way. It was just kind of you know,

791
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: that song haunted me because of the movie as a kid,

792
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: and I was always just like somehow attached to that song.

793
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: So I started just playing it. And I didn't know why,

794
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: but that song was kind of preparing me for I

795
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: think something like the loss of my father. I think

796
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: it was I was creating it. It's kind of creating

797
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: a portal with a song. I didn't know it at

798
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: the time. I was kind of inventing one. And you know,

799
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: two weeks after he died, I get invited to the

800
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: Black Hills of South Dakota to play, and they asked

801
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: me to play a cover and I was like completely,

802
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: I hadn't slept in like a week, and I was

803
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: in terrible shape, but I went anyway just because I

804
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: was like, had nothing to lose.

805
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: I was.

806
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: And really, really really bad state. And I played that

807
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: song stand by me. I'd never performed it really in

808
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: front of anybody, and the whole place went crazy. But

809
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: the portal part of it was like it opened up

810
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: this portal on stage, like it felt like my dad

811
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: was a little kid on my shoulders. It was like

812
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: this reversal of roles, kind of a weird energy exchange.

813
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: And that's when everything changed. You know. I felt this

814
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: crazy amount of emotion and I almost lost it during it,

815
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: but I didn't, but you know I did and expected

816
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: to have the effect on the people that it had.

817
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: I just went up there to play it in it

818
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: And then in that in that moment between singing at

819
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: my dad's funeral and two weeks later singing at that festival,

820
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: that's when I knew I was no longer just a songwriter.

821
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: I was like this, you know, back to you know,

822
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: the car, like you don't know what you've started here?

823
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 1: Like you know, that's when it all became really evident,

824
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: and I and I went on a mission to kind

825
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: of keep him alive because that that did in the

826
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: weirdest way for me personally, it literally resurrected him for

827
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: a few minutes, and I kind of started chasing that

828
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: feeling like a drug. And then you fast forward a

829
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: few like back in November of last year, I played

830
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: stand by Me at the CMAS and you know that

831
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: song is It's changed my life.

832
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 2: Do you think that'll be a song that you will

833
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: always play or do you think that'll be a song

834
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: that eventually you go, it's a cover. I think I'm

835
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: gonna retire that one.

836
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: No, it's h That song has transcended anything that I've

837
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: any plans that I have. It's like it's been like

838
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: a gift from God.

839
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: I mean, the way that place erupted that night of

840
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: the CMA's and it was it was special. And I'm

841
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: so jaded. I've seen everything. But there have been a

842
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: few of those over my you know, fifteen or so

843
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: years here, like Stapleton doing that with Justin Timberlake, like

844
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: you doing stand by Me. There are only a few

845
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: of those, and that was one of those. Wow. Well,

846
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: and I think you've probably heard that right from.

847
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: Well I have from time to time, but it honestly,

848
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember the experience. Back to the emotional you

849
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: don't you don't remember it, I don't at all. I

850
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: don't remember any of it, and I still haven't watched

851
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: it and I don't think I ever will. I've seen

852
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: clips of it of course online.

853
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: But is it because you want to remember it like

854
00:46:59,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: you remember it?

855
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, not remembering it at all. And uh and I uh,

856
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: back to the emotional shield like you asked about. I'm

857
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: just kind of putting this together because you brought it up,

858
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, singing that song I'm a song at the funeral. Yeah,

859
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: it was the same shield that night at the CMAS.

860
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: Because there's no reality in which I should have not

861
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: like just completely lost it on that stage playing that

862
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: song with the history behind it and the the momentous

863
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: nature of that particular opportunity and experience. So yeah, it

864
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: really it was a lot, and I think that's the

865
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: reason why I don't remember it. I don't really remember

866
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: singing that song at my dad's funeral either. I know

867
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: I did it, and but yeah, there's like I think

868
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: your you know, your body or your mind or your

869
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: spirit or something bigger, like a way to kind of

870
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: protect you temporarily from it so you can just get

871
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: through it. Because and that's what tells me and and

872
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: and shows me that this is all bigger than me.

873
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: Because the point wasn't for me to, you know, have

874
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: this crazy reconnection with my father that night. The point

875
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: was for my father to show up in that room

876
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: and connect with everybody else but me, and I just

877
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: was more or less the transmitter, and that's that was

878
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: the goal. I knew he was going to show up,

879
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: but I didn't know he's going to show up like that, all.

880
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: Right, Final three questions. I love Gary. It reminds me

881
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: of my hometown. Thank you people in my hometown. I

882
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: just feel like that's a song for people to grow up,

883
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: you know, around hard working, blue collar people. Yeah, when

884
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: you write that song, what was the intention.

885
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: Well, it's it was rooted in a tragedy, and the

886
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: intention was to celebrate those blue collar people. That was

887
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: that became the you know, the motive. But it started

888
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: with a memorial sign on the side of the road

889
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: of a highway. I was driving down and driving home

890
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: and I saw this sign and it said in memory

891
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: of Gary blank blank. I won't mention their name for

892
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: their privacy. And there was a picture of a boy

893
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: that couldn't have been maybe sixteen years old in high school.

894
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: And I would guess that he passed away on that

895
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: highway in a car accident perhaps, And you know, I

896
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: couldn't help but think in that moment, like as sad

897
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: as that was, and I really felt the heartbreak for

898
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: the family, Like you see memorials like that all the time,

899
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: but for some reason, that one just really hit me.

900
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: And the way, like the true were growing around it

901
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: and it was heartbreaking to look at. And I said,

902
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: there ain't a lot of boys named Gary these days,

903
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: like because it was a young boy like sixteen years

904
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: old named Gary. And I was like, man, I bet

905
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: that kid can fix anything, you know, I bet, like

906
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: you know every And I started thinking about the Garys

907
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: that I grew up with, and because I grew up

908
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: in a body shop, a body shop full of Gary's

909
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: not the name Gary, but you know, the metaphorical Gary.

910
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: And I started thinking of Gary as like an endangered

911
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: species or like how Jane Goodall studies primates, like look

912
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: at it kind of from a naturalist perspective, and you know,

913
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: what is a gary? What are the attributes of a Gary?

914
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: And you know, it occurred to me, you know, if

915
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: there ain't a lot of boys named Gary these days,

916
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: that our Garys are endangered, they are going extinct, and

917
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, like what happens if there's no more Garys?

918
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: Like I started thinking about that world, a world without Gary's,

919
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: and like, you know, because technology is advancing very fast

920
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: and it's very happy to perhaps leave the Garys behind.

921
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't think Silicon Valley cares about Gary. And at

922
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: the end of the day, though, there's still electricity to

923
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: be ran, and there's still septic tanks to be tended to,

924
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: and there's still plumbing to be done, and there's still

925
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: so many Gary's that actually make the world go round.

926
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: Like you know, I mean, iPhones and all that are cool,

927
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: but when life gets real, like you're going to need

928
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: a Gary when your h fact blows in the middle

929
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: of the summer in August, you know, chat GPT ain't

930
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: going to do nothing.

931
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: Hey I can't make a Gary.

932
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, exactly. And I started to think about

933
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: all of those scenarios, and then I got deeper into

934
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: the Gary, the character so to speak. And you know

935
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: Gary's are fixers. You know, yeah, Gary may be a mechanic,

936
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: but I bet Gary also if a pipe blows in

937
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: his house, I bet he fixes that too. And I

938
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: bet you know, I bet he built his own shed.

939
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: I bet you know. He can fix a lot. He

940
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: can do a lot of things. And the reason why

941
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: is because he's had to, not because he wanted to

942
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: be a plumber, not because he wanted to be an electrician.

943
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: He grew up in a world that was broken and

944
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: he had to learn to be a fixer. And so

945
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, art, I think my favorite art comes from

946
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: broken places. And fixers are products of brokenness because they've

947
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 1: been around so much brokenness in their life that they

948
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: just want to fix it. Like you know, you can

949
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: get it. You can go even doctors or kind of

950
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: like an advanced Gary, because usually something kind of affected,

951
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: some kind of brokenness made them want to be a fixer.

952
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: And but you know, you get down to the the

953
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: under celebrated hero that is the Gary, the one that

954
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: kind of shows up to your house gets you your

955
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: life back on track when it's literally off track, like

956
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: it's in a bad state. You know, if your septic

957
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: tank blows. I don't know if you've.

958
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: Ever known a state than that.

959
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you need, you're in a bad state. Sometimes

960
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: two Gary, you go need more than one Gary. But

961
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: the one Gary comes into your house and gets it done,

962
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: he leaves and you pay Gary, and you never see

963
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: him again and you probably don't think about him again.

964
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: But that dude literally just got your whole world back

965
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: in order. And Elon Musk did not nothing against Elon,

966
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: but you know, and but we celebrate some of these

967
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: other people that I feel like are over celebrated and

968
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: don't really get people's lives back on track at all all.

969
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: And you know, these Gary's are all over the world,

970
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, these little micro superheroes just getting everybody's life

971
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: back on track and com with fear of being forgotten forever.

972
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: And so if you can, you know, show me a

973
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: ten year old Gary, we will bubble wrap him, we

974
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: will protect him.

975
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

976
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 3: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

977
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: Something we do here is guests will bring an album

978
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: that has really meant a lot to them and kind

979
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 2: of talk about why. And I know you have one

980
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: in front of you here if you want to, Yeah,

981
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: pick that up and kind of tell me what it

982
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: is and why you chose that one.

983
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: Houses of the Holy Hope.

984
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,959
Speaker 2: Pull that mic back, pull that mic back to you there.

985
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: You sorry, I'm doing Houses of the Whole. Yeah, this

986
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: is some album, right, Yes, this is led Zeppelins. So

987
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: you got one two through four. It has to be

988
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: their fifth record, I think. So they put out a

989
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: lot of records by then, so they were a very

990
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: well established band. And you know, yeah, this this album,

991
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: it's an eight song record, but it feels like a

992
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: twelve song record. The songs are longer and it takes

993
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: you on a journey. That's what I love about it

994
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: so much. I love music that takes you on a

995
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: journey like an odyssey. And Jimmy Page and the whole

996
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: band like John Paul Jones and John Bonham as a

997
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: rhythm section. Their rhythm section work on this record is

998
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: is unlike anything I've ever heard. When I first heard

999
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: this record, it blew me away.

1000
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: How old were you when you first started listening to

1001
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: that record?

1002
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: Probably fifteen or something like that, Yeah, as a kid,

1003
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: And I just remember, like, how was this made? Like

1004
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: like if this was made today, this would blow my mind.

1005
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: And you know, they didn't have a lot of the

1006
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: technology you know we had at our disposal then. Like

1007
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: this band, if I was paying, if I paid twenty

1008
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: bucks to see this band play this, this would have

1009
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: just destroyed me. And this album. What I love about

1010
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: it also the it pulls me into the room, like

1011
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: I'm in the room with these guys. When I listen

1012
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: to this record, I'm like at the show. There's not

1013
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: a lot of records that do that for me, And

1014
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: I feel like this is some of Roberts better writing

1015
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: to just you know lyrically, but just the arrangements, the musicality,

1016
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: the way the songs flow into each other. It is

1017
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: without dud It is dudlss it Michael Dudlass it is.

1018
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: It really is. And I just think it's really really special.

1019
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's got kind of a weird cover.

1020
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 2: It does have a weird cover.

1021
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, the the artistry that was put

1022
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: into it is just profound, Like like every song when

1023
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: you go you know, from song remains the same. I

1024
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: think it's the first one no no no no no

1025
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: no no no no no, And then you know the

1026
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: crunch Oh my gosh. By the time you get to

1027
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: the crune, you just like you're lost, and there's some

1028
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: like it's just over the hills and far away. It

1029
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: was what made me. Is one of the songs that

1030
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: made me want to be an acoustic guitar player. And

1031
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: really Jimmy Page, I don't think I've spoken enough about

1032
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: his influence on my guitar playing, because he played in

1033
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of open tunings and he had this crazy

1034
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: right hand, but he was also like an orchestrator on

1035
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: the guitar. He didn't just play guitar. He played like

1036
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: orchestrations on the guitar. And he you know, he was

1037
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: a composer, he wasn't a guitar player. And I feel

1038
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: like all that's really evident on this record, and I find, yeah,

1039
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: it's it's extremely listenable. That's what I love about it.

1040
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: Like I can listen to this record anytime anywhere, whether

1041
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm getting my teeth cleaned, or whether i'm getting or

1042
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm going on a drive, or whether I'm playing cards.

1043
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of records that I can do that,

1044
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: you know. I love like sad song sad song records,

1045
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: but I just can't listen to them all the time, anywhere,

1046
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: anytime of the year, and this one is that it's

1047
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: like it's everything I'd ever want to be in a band.

1048
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 1: It's like, I think the highest bar. You know, if

1049
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: this band came out today, if you know, if this

1050
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: record was made today and came out today, I would

1051
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: it would you need a shovel to get my jaw

1052
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: off the ground. And and I just I think it's

1053
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: incredible that they made they made this when they ate it,

1054
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: which is you know, the four of them, and you know,

1055
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: they they set a bar for me as a musician

1056
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: and in bands and all my bandmates, like every bandmate

1057
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: I've ever been in with, in a band with for

1058
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: a long period of time, in my band now they

1059
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: are all obsessed with this record. It's like or this

1060
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: band especially, it's it's like this is this is the bar,

1061
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: and we are we're not even coming close to it.

1062
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: But I also see you got the Weezer Blue album,

1063
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: which is my record, my close second. Like I was, honestly,

1064
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: I was in a tough it was a tough little

1065
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: fight between these two. But I'm sorry, I think this

1066
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: kicks blues out ass. But Blue honestly changed my life.

1067
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: I heard My Name Is Jonas on the radio one time,

1068
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: and I like, I was so angry that I couldn't

1069
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: hear it again. I was like, where do I find

1070
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: this song? How do I find out who this band is?

1071
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: And and I started watching him TV incessantly just to

1072
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: try to see if they would come up again, and

1073
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: I never saw this My Name Is Jonah's song. And

1074
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Speaker 1: then this video for the song called the Sweater Song

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Speaker 1: came on and I was like, I hadn't heard that yet.

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Speaker 1: And I liked that just as much. It was so quirky,

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01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: the video was so like creatively shot, and everything about

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01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: the song was just amazing to me. And I told

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Speaker 1: my dad I needed to get some notebooks from Walmart.

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01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: And he was like notebooks from Walmart? And he's like okay,

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01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, you take me to Walmart. I

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01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: had like no money, and back then, like CDs were

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01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: like twenty five dollars and I had no money, and

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01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars was There's no way my dad was

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01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna give me twenty five dollars. I just knew that

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01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: for a fact. But he would buy maybe a notebook

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01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: or something for me. And I said, you know, can

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01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: I have five books that buy a notebook? He took

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01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: me there and we went to Walmart. And I don't

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01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: care that Walmart knows this. I used to work for

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01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: them at their distribution center. But they got their money's

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01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: worth out of me. I'll tell you that. And uh,

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01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: you got a CD. I went in there. I stole

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01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: that CD. I went in there. I told my dad,

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01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in and get a notebook. And I

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01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: went in and I spent the next fifteen minute. I've

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01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: never stolen anything in my life ever, Like my dad

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01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: hates thieves, and I you know, it was always just

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01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: like the cardinal send it to him was theft. So

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01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: I knew like if I got caught, like the most

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01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: supreme ass beating ever was gonna come behind it. And

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Speaker 1: it was work. I was like, don't care, I'll die

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01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: for this. I got it.

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Speaker 2: I'll go to jail for this.

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01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: I'll go to boys' school. I don't care. And uh.

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01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: I went in there and I got like a magazine

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01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: and I figured out a way to stick it in there,

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01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: and I just like walked out of there like you know,

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01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: like I owned the place and just walked right out

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01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: with that seat you know, they had that long, little

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01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: plastic thing on it, like just you know, just fearlessly

1112
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: and got out of there with it, walked to the truck.

1113
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I got it. I was like, and

1114
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: I went home and I wore that CD out like

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01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: it just it changed my life, Like that was yeah,

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01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: those these two records.

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Speaker 2: Really, I mean, it's why wore my glasses like this.

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01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: I had a guy that I saw was cool but

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01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: could also care about learning. And I was like, oh,

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01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: he's cool, he's smart. Yeah yeah, and so but yeah,

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01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: buddy Holly and Rivers Cuomo, and I finally met them.

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Speaker 2: I was working on American Idol. I'd worked on there

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01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: for four years, and uh, they had come to do

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Speaker 2: a finale. I was, I don't really get nervous meeting people,

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01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: but you get nervous meeting people that you loved as

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01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: a kid. And they had parked the bus outside the

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Speaker 2: sound stage and so it was a couple of hours

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01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: they had done rehearsal, and so I went down to

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Speaker 2: a record store and got this in case I was

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: able to run into them. And so I was like, screwing,

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01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm going down to the bus because that's some time

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01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: and I went knocked on the door. Rivers was nowhere

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01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: to be found, and they were super inviting, but it

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01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: was three of them, not Rivers, and they were like,

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01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: come in. I said, I work on the show, and

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: so I was like, I don't want to hold you guys,

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01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: but you guys mind signing this, and you know, they

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01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: all sign it, and there's but still above River's head

1140
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: there's no signature. And he's the guy that made me

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01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: feel like I could be cool because he wasn't cool,

1142
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: but he was so cool. And I see the back

1143
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: of the bus. The door opens and Rivers is back

1144
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: there like the sink or something, and they're like Rivers

1145
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, here we go. This is the

1146
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: moment and meet Rivers Cuomo and he walks up and

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01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: goes walks back to the back and I was like,

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01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: that's all I needed. That's all I needed. You know,

1149
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: I didn't expect much. I didn't get much, but it's

1150
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: all I needed. I was able to meet him in later,

1151
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 2: but it was super cool. So yeah, I love that

1152
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: record too, that's awesome.

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01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that Pingerton right behind it was big too, but.

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01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't respected at the time. Now I like that, but.

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01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: So much. I thought it was the most punk rock

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01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: follow up record.

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01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 2: I was like, hell, yes, we could do the Weezer

1158
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 2: Hour here if we wanted to. But I've kept you

1159
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: long enough. I was gonna good. I was gonna show

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01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: you a picture because I'm a fan of your music

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01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: just generally speaking. And I was telling one of the

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01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: guys on my show. I said, hey, we've never had

1163
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 2: Stephen Wilson Junior in and he said, yeah, we have.

1164
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: I said, I swear to god we haven't because I'm fan.

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01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: And then he showed me this picture of you playing

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01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 2: in my studio.

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01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's right. I've played with Lee.

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01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 2: It's you and your wife.

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Speaker 1: That is me.

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Speaker 2: You played it my guitar. That's you playing with your

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01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 2: wife on my stage in my studio.

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01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have been here. Yeah, you're right.

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01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: I was blown away. I was like what. He goes, yeah,

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01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: that's Lee Nash's husband. I was like what, and he

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: said he played with her.

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01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was her guitar player for for years. That's

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01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: you know. I learned so much about performing from her

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Speaker 1: watching her just at the best seat in the house.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, we.

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Speaker 2: Met before when you came in at first, we were

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01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: like hey, I said, hey, good to see you. I

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01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: definitely didn't say nice to meet you, because I didn't

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01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: know if you would know we had met briefly. Then.

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01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was in the same boat. I

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01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: was like, he probably I remember doing that, but I

1186
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: was like I was, I'm kind of like a nope

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01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: in that particular situation.

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01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: I would ever treat anybody coming in like a nobody.

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Speaker 1: Like I know my role in that experience though, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like, you know, side player, get

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01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: your guitar, keep it in tune, and get out of here.

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01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 2: And well, after that picture was really cool. I said,

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01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: we've never had him in and he was like, he's

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01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: been in and it turns out you were playing for

1195
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: your wife, playing guitar for your wife. That's super cool.

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01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: Well, well you were really great to her then, And

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01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: you know I was. That was before I was really

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01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: doing much artist, Like I was really just starting the

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Speaker 1: artist stuff. So I was those were you know, those

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01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: were like the beginning days of of all this. So

1201
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: I was in a very I don't know, premature state

1202
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: as an artist, still incubating.

1203
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: I think I'm still incubating. I think I'll die incubating.

1204
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 2: Hopefully that's the goal. Never did not be incubating.

1205
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, stay incubating.

1206
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: Stay. No, you didn't want that slogan. I asked him,

1207
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 2: if you like this one, that's a nine. I we

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01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 2: don't like that one. Uh you guys, and we were

1209
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: talking before you came in. We you know, talked about

1210
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: the tour and talked about the record. So just a

1211
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: massive fan. Thank you for your time. And I have

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01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 2: not seen you play live. All my friends have seen

1213
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: you play live and they talk about the boxing ring

1214
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: and how great you are live. A lot of them

1215
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: went with people that were fans and they came away

1216
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 2: massive fans because your live show is it is that moving?

1217
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: Like it's an experience?

1218
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's so I've heard.

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01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 2: I haven't been to a big show. I just saw

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01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 2: I saw you with your wife. That's the closest I've

1221
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 2: ever been to it.

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01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, man, it's a lot louder. Yeah. And yeah,

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01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: they're are know, they're they're very emotional experiences because it's

1224
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: a two way street. The fans that show up or

1225
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, they are there to you know, be there

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01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel like if there's anything that

1227
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: happens in those shows. There's a lot of Catharsis from

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01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: me and from them, and it's like this mutual exchange

1229
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: and that's really all it is. And and I think

1230
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: maybe people are observing that kind of mutual exchange of catharsisism.

1231
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's this kind of cyclical exchange of energy,

1232
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: and it's a lot of love. And it's kids from

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01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: seventy from seven to seventy seven. I call them all

1234
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: kids because they are kids. And yeah, I think we're

1235
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: all kids or just some of us have been around

1236
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: longer than others.

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01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 2: And well, thank you for coming in.

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01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: Really appreciate it, Thank you, Bobby.

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01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 3: Appreciate you, sir, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.