Speaker 1: Well, well, well, the Mavericks and Grizzlies have each one
Speaker 1: nine of ten. Don't look now, but my sixers are
Speaker 1: five and five over the last ten, h tied for
Speaker 1: the tenth season the lost column. Let's go, you know.
Speaker 1: We'll also have to check in with the Lakers and
Speaker 1: more with the Great Kerry Champion on today's episode. I'm
Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien.
Speaker 2: And I'm producer Ja Borian from my house and this
Speaker 2: is my milch.
Speaker 1: Jerry got mad, Musty's chick story.
Speaker 3: Guy Luka Dotch hits tenny k there you God.
Speaker 1: Driving spinning Katie number eight, Gene.
Speaker 2: That's good. Secure the Celtics or NBA champions over the
Speaker 2: double team. I be honest with the time, Kerry Champion,
Speaker 2: what is going on?
Speaker 3: Why is it sometimes Jabari? Why can't he just be
Speaker 3: all the time? Jabbari?
Speaker 2: Hey, you are doing the Lord's work right from the start.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't keep him off, you know, but uh, now,
Speaker 1: Jabari is always here in spirit. He's always like dropping in.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, we you people hear his words every episode,
Speaker 1: but sometimes likes to, you know, keep it in the chat.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes we get to hear his voice, hear
Speaker 1: his wisdom firsthand. Yeah, thank you, Carrie.
Speaker 3: Heany You're welcome. You paid me to say that. Let
Speaker 3: me just text him now, Okay, got your yes please
Speaker 3: Champion number two to my number two.
Speaker 1: But how are you doing? It's so great to have you.
Speaker 1: Uh we we of course know you're from ESPN, Amazon, Prime,
Speaker 1: TNT and now most importantly on I Heart. Yeah, fellow,
Speaker 1: I heeart podcaster the host of Naked Sports with Carrie Champion.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about that show?
Speaker 3: Oh see, So what's so good is that I did
Speaker 3: four we did. This is our fourth season. So the
Speaker 3: first few seasons we started a pandemic, and so we
Speaker 3: were very much a zoom family, as we all are.
Speaker 3: Just you know, it was like, let's talk about anything.
Speaker 3: The idea was like, let's just talk about anything, anything
Speaker 3: that made us excited, anything we were excited about. Then
Speaker 3: this past season, I wanted to do something different. I
Speaker 3: was like, you know what, why since I since I
Speaker 3: really believe and I think you guys know this too.
Speaker 3: Sports lives at all intersections. It lives at culture, it
Speaker 3: lives at policy, it lives in the world of art everywhere,
Speaker 3: and I really wanted to make it more focused and
Speaker 3: more niche and cliche. So we started off this season
Speaker 3: making sure we wanted it to have that emphasis of
Speaker 3: sports every single guest we had, and we did this
Speaker 3: really great. I think it was great, this docu series
Speaker 3: about Caitlin Clark and the Angel Reese. And I know
Speaker 3: we're still like on and not necessarily on, uh, but
Speaker 3: the w NBA is in a really special place and
Speaker 3: I think it needed to be documented. So that's how
Speaker 3: we kicked it off, and we we we haven't stopped,
Speaker 3: and we've had guests on like Darren Waller, who's very
Speaker 3: open and on his former NFL player talking about his
Speaker 3: drug addiction. He went viral with Ashland Harris talking about
Speaker 3: her breakup with Ali Kreeger, although she talked about so
Speaker 3: much more, but that was the thing that went viral.
Speaker 1: The mess, yeah of it all? Yeah, all right, so
Speaker 1: let's just say some messy stuff here. Let's go, let's
Speaker 1: get to the mess. Uh no, let's let's get into
Speaker 1: it though. Let's get into the NBA a little bit.
Speaker 1: And maybe this is an opportunity to get some mess
Speaker 1: right in because I do want to ask everybody, what
Speaker 1: are your biggest surprises of the season so far. Is
Speaker 1: it the Calves being as great as they've been, or
Speaker 1: is it, uh, you know, someone like I don't know
Speaker 1: the Pelicans, and I think I can safely take the
Speaker 1: seventy six ers out of my mouth on the at
Speaker 1: this point, even though they might still be the most surprising.
Speaker 1: But Pelicans being five and twenty, so Calves twenty one
Speaker 1: and four, Pelicans five and twenty Which one are you
Speaker 1: more surprised by?
Speaker 3: I think the Calves for me, I think, but although
Speaker 3: the surprise is not as huge, they've been coming for
Speaker 3: a while. I just don't think anybody ever really. I
Speaker 3: think everyone said, well, maybe perhaps kind of look for
Speaker 3: the big names. We have to have them slap us
Speaker 3: in the face before we pay attention to them really
Speaker 3: meaning business. And I think it's good for the lead
Speaker 3: because they're going to need a superstar they need a
Speaker 3: superstar team in the sense that they need somebody to
Speaker 3: pay that gives us that surprise. I wasn't expecting that,
Speaker 3: you know, just like you find twenty dollars in your pocket,
Speaker 3: you're like, well, I got twenty dollars in my pocket.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. What I'm gonna do with that
Speaker 3: twenty dollars, and that to me was a surprise because
Speaker 3: it's nice to give somebody else attention. And by the way,
Speaker 3: I'm a diehard Layers fan, Jabari, that's where we bond
Speaker 3: here we are.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, Jabari, you're a Lakers man.
Speaker 2: You would never guess that, would you.
Speaker 1: That's wild being on an NBA podcast produced by you.
Speaker 1: I have never this. You never heard of the hearing
Speaker 1: of this, that's wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well it's a compassion for me too. Many people
Speaker 3: don't know that about me as well. So I've been
Speaker 3: I've been very closeted about it. And so yeah, you
Speaker 3: have to be right, you have to be because no
Speaker 3: one loves the Lakers. You guys are all jealous. Delly.
Speaker 2: That's the truth. I mean, you know, truth to power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the most honest answer we've gotten on
Speaker 1: the Caves. By the way, everybody else we've had has
Speaker 1: been like, yeah, I saw cold. I basically knew, like
Speaker 1: maybe I would have thought they'd be like twenty and
Speaker 1: five instead of twenty one and four. But like, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's that's how hard it is to surprise me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, not even not even clothing it was like
Speaker 3: I'm calling for the Caves. I was in Cleveland probably too,
Speaker 3: like just kind of season opener, and I remember, this
Speaker 3: is so bizarre. I remember checking into this hotel and
Speaker 3: the clerk was like, listen, this is our year, watch
Speaker 3: my words. And I was like, she's the only person
Speaker 3: I think knew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the people of Cleveland were certainly up on it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's amazing that he's like, hey, I got
Speaker 1: a hot tip for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, just so, and then, you know, being
Speaker 3: snarky in the media. I was like, thanks.
Speaker 2: The real question is does he say that every year?
Speaker 2: Because I'm one of them. I'm one of those guys
Speaker 2: admittedly like this is our year, this one. I grew
Speaker 2: up a Raiders fan, so I'm accustomed to saying this,
Speaker 2: this is going to be our year, and it's just
Speaker 2: it never has been.
Speaker 3: But same I say about the Lakers every year and
Speaker 3: you can't even tell me. I'm like, it's ony games.
Speaker 3: We've got plenty of time, guys, plenty of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you go to Salt Lake City to
Speaker 1: check in and they're like, hey, I've got a little
Speaker 1: information for you. This is our year.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: I also want to say I don't really want to
Speaker 1: talk trash about the Pelicans, like nobody wants this, nobody,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I didn't want to see them do
Speaker 1: this badly. I want to see everybody healthy and play well.
Speaker 1: They're fun when they're healthy. I am a little surprised
Speaker 1: at like how badly it's gone so far. But let's
Speaker 1: talk about the magic instead. Unless does anybody have anything
Speaker 1: do you have the diagnosis of what ails the Pelicans
Speaker 1: besides just like bad health.
Speaker 3: I will say this, I sometimes I root for them
Speaker 3: for a few reasons. It's various reasons that really have
Speaker 3: nothing to do with what's happening on the court. Sometimes,
Speaker 3: have you ever just like we're home, Like you're a Homer,
Speaker 3: you love the Sixers, we love the Lakers. Sometimes I
Speaker 3: root for them because of what that what they're trying
Speaker 3: to do, and you just want people to get out
Speaker 3: of their own way, Like I really Sometimes when he's healthy,
Speaker 3: he's great, I'm like, yeah, remember when he was it?
Speaker 3: He was everything. That has to be such a mental
Speaker 3: tragedy for him, because I do not know if I
Speaker 3: had all that fan fare, how to live up to
Speaker 3: that one. That's why it's always hard, and that's why
Speaker 3: I love Lebron And when people give him such trash,
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's hard to live up to what everyone
Speaker 3: says you're supposed to be. Hey, when you go and
Speaker 3: you play so free, when you're doing a job, you
Speaker 3: come in with no expectations and you just serve in everybody.
Speaker 3: It is so much easier to capitalize off of that
Speaker 3: than the whole world thing, and you're going to be
Speaker 3: the best. So I always want something for him. I
Speaker 3: root for CJ in general because he's just a good
Speaker 3: guy and I don't want him to have his career
Speaker 3: like this, but that seems to be what it'll be.
Speaker 3: You do never want the grace to go out or
Speaker 3: the people who you consider good to lead season or
Speaker 3: have to be on a team like that. That just
Speaker 3: has to be difficult. I don't want that for any
Speaker 3: of the people that I sort of grew up with.
Speaker 3: If you will now, you know, it's just unfortunate, but
Speaker 3: you know, no one wants it.
Speaker 1: And I had it rolling like at the end of
Speaker 1: the season last season and then like got hurt right
Speaker 1: at the key pivotal moment.
Speaker 3: Correct and silencing the haters. Everyone's just like here he comes,
Speaker 3: You're just like here it's about to happen. And I'm like, oh, hey,
Speaker 3: good for you, good for you, good for you. And
Speaker 3: then you're like, no, now, I don't know how you recover.
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, professional athlete, but how do you
Speaker 3: recover from that? He has had up. The mental strength
Speaker 3: has to be beyond and we want so many people
Speaker 3: we on our hands, so many people in the NBA
Speaker 3: have that mental toughness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be honest with you, that was the
Speaker 2: reason why I put him on there, Jack, I so
Speaker 2: in full disclosure. Normally I'm the one that just looks,
Speaker 2: you know, to the trash of the team because it's
Speaker 2: just fun but reality. But the reality is I am
Speaker 2: most surprised by that because I had it. I anticipated
Speaker 2: this being like, you know, Zion is going to put
Speaker 2: it together and you know they got you know, they
Speaker 2: got to Jenta Murray and like that's gonna be a
Speaker 2: good fit and any breaks his hand in game one. Like,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, like that that's kind of
Speaker 2: the answer. Like they went in. If everybody were healthy,
Speaker 2: it might have been interesting. But you know, you lose
Speaker 2: Ion early on. You know, you lose you know, your
Speaker 2: your point guard that you bring in to kind of
Speaker 2: write the ship early on. Uh b I has you know,
Speaker 2: it's been in and out of the lineup, but you
Speaker 2: know he's been back and been strong. But they it
Speaker 2: just seems like because of all of the injuries, they've
Speaker 2: never been able to get on the same page and
Speaker 2: never been able to actually build upon anything. And that's
Speaker 2: just unfortunately.
Speaker 3: It's unfortunate because we want it. We're not anti. We
Speaker 3: want it for the lead.
Speaker 1: It makes it better, yeah, makes it more fun. The
Speaker 1: Magic still a three seed, even though Paolo has only
Speaker 1: played in a handful of games and they lost Franz,
Speaker 1: Like that's one that, like the Calves, It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't see it coming. I would have laughed at
Speaker 1: that hotel clerk. But now that I've seen it, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like they've got something going. The Magic. I'm still like,
Speaker 1: I don't what what is happening?
Speaker 3: How?
Speaker 1: How is that? It is like seeing a Magic treate.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. I don't believe what I'm seeing
Speaker 1: necessarily how they're winning with all these injuries, well just
Speaker 1: with the injury, like just with the like Plo being
Speaker 1: out as much as he's been out and then Franz
Speaker 1: being out now for It's just wild what they've had
Speaker 1: to do, like what they've had going against them, and
Speaker 1: that they're still playing as well as they are is
Speaker 1: just like night to night. I'm always surprised, Like the Calves.
Speaker 1: Now I check the box score and I'm like, Yop
Speaker 1: did it again. The Magic I'm like, wow, they did
Speaker 1: it again. You know, Like I'm not I'm not hating
Speaker 1: at all. I just think I'm impressed that they're Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just like have an amazing ability to uh kind
Speaker 1: of defy the laws of gravity as I know them
Speaker 1: in the in the NBA. So I mean I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: What what do you see there? I mean, so we
Speaker 1: did talk in last year's playoffs that their defense did
Speaker 1: seem to be like one of the most unique weapons
Speaker 1: that we'd seen, like in in the NBA. It was
Speaker 1: just like the way they defend is more aggressive and
Speaker 1: like just more different than any other NBA team we'd
Speaker 1: seen in a while. So, I mean that is obviously
Speaker 1: part of it. But what else do you feel like
Speaker 1: they've figured out this year?
Speaker 3: I feel like, well, one I have this I think
Speaker 3: that you know, Apollo I just I always one of
Speaker 3: two things, have to be careful what I say about
Speaker 3: about him, because he loled me in a in a
Speaker 3: sarcastic way when I was on the Breakfast Club about
Speaker 3: a couple of months ago, and I said something to
Speaker 3: the effect, this is why I like to see him.
Speaker 3: And I know he's out, but still I still think
Speaker 3: he takes everything very personally, and I think that that's
Speaker 3: great because he plays like that but very free still,
Speaker 3: and I think that's going to make him even better
Speaker 3: as he gets more as he grows in this league.
Speaker 3: But I had I said that there were very few
Speaker 3: rookies that came into the league like Lebron, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't remember a rookie having that much fan fair and
Speaker 3: living up to the fan fair like. I couldn't think
Speaker 3: of any other rookie in recent memory, not even Kobe,
Speaker 3: because you know, straight out out of high school, I
Speaker 3: could everyone thought he was great, but Kobe had made
Speaker 3: so many mistakes. I just don't remember it being as
Speaker 3: intense as it was with Broun. And then all the
Speaker 3: things that Bron has been able to do, and he
Speaker 3: and he was like not true, like he kind of
Speaker 3: he didn't say those exact words, but he took offense
Speaker 3: like well, what are we like? And it felt very
Speaker 3: like it was a personal attack against him, and I
Speaker 3: was like, good for you, like you let everybody know
Speaker 3: that you think you are it and I am, and
Speaker 3: don't forget about me and you because I'm in Orlando
Speaker 3: and we don't have this history. This is not Penny
Speaker 3: hard Away. I'm still the man like you know, like
Speaker 3: he had all of this and you know, this is
Speaker 3: back when Dwight Howard was the man like he just
Speaker 3: had a lot of attitude and I respected it because
Speaker 3: he was like, it's a young man's game now and
Speaker 3: I'm here, so I'm not surprised by them. I think
Speaker 3: I think, I think they're good and I and I'm
Speaker 3: looking forward to I mean all of these teams that
Speaker 3: are not the usual suspects, that are really giving us
Speaker 3: something to pay attention to and watch and giving us
Speaker 3: the storylines because we love a storyline like it. I'm
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: Suggs just put up twenty six and they beat the
Speaker 1: Sons for their tenth straight win at home. That's like
Speaker 1: where they're they're just finding finding ways to get enough
Speaker 1: points to do it well.
Speaker 3: And that's what that matters. I just need a w
Speaker 3: and see where I go. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I truly love and appreciate the confidence of like the
Speaker 2: supreme athletes, you know what I mean. To the point
Speaker 2: that you just said, and you even referenced Kobe, it
Speaker 2: reminded me when he first came into the league. One
Speaker 2: of his teammates told him they don't look Mike in
Speaker 2: the eye, you know when we get on the court.
Speaker 2: And was like, I'm that uh you know, and obviously
Speaker 2: you know Polo has the same type of vibe and
Speaker 2: I'm here for that.
Speaker 1: That's wild because I have that same rule for people
Speaker 1: who work on this show. Don't look me in the eye.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to look me in the eye. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, should tell anybody about it was our agreement.
Speaker 3: Those stories right here that are hilarious. You're like, well,
Speaker 3: where am I supposed to look?
Speaker 1: Just look at the ground, I'm walking.
Speaker 3: You're talking to me, No way again.
Speaker 1: You look at your own shoes. Uh? Yeah, that's that
Speaker 1: is a good sign for uh, I think only NBA success.
Speaker 1: It's like that mentally, that's I think most people would
Speaker 1: call that a pathology, but it's also like what drives
Speaker 1: people to do the greatest players or ship. He's got
Speaker 1: that Michael Jordan's uh where it's like and I took
Speaker 1: that personally. They weren't even talking about me, but in
Speaker 1: a way they were talking about it.
Speaker 3: They were talking about you, and I.
Speaker 1: Need talking around me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're not including me in this equation and
Speaker 3: I am it. Like you may not think so, but
Speaker 3: watch and see, and I'm okay with all of that.
Speaker 3: Like I like that. I don't want any friends. I
Speaker 3: want you to let me have it. I deserve it.
Speaker 3: If you're mad at me, so be it. I'll take it.
Speaker 1: The detail the story that I always bring up about
Speaker 1: Lebron though, is that he basically grew up in Truman Show,
Speaker 1: Like he went to high school in the Truman Show.
Speaker 1: Nike and Adidas were putting up billboards in his hometown
Speaker 1: aimed only at him, like they had an intended audience
Speaker 1: of him. Like the whole world literally revolved around him
Speaker 1: as a sophomore in high school, and he managed to
Speaker 1: like not let that drive him crazy. So I do.
Speaker 1: I do think what he's been able to accomplish is
Speaker 1: like on another level from I think anything I've seen,
Speaker 1: like anywhere, you know, he.
Speaker 3: Could be so, and who knows, right, maybe the story
Speaker 3: is still being written, but I could I could imagine
Speaker 3: many more instances with that type of scrutiny where he
Speaker 3: would not end up that way. I can think of
Speaker 3: you can name all of them that went through that
Speaker 3: fire and they and they came out visibly bruised, like
Speaker 3: you think of, I love the great I can name
Speaker 3: all the grades. But you like, okay, you this is
Speaker 3: the result of being under that type of scrutiny. Bron
Speaker 3: is for them. And look, I'm not a psychologist, but
Speaker 3: for the most part, like I'm thinking, he's the most
Speaker 3: accessible superstar that we have in the league. It was Kobe, wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't on Twitter talking to people or whatever. He
Speaker 3: just he didn't have an approachable style about him. He
Speaker 3: liked who he liked, and we found that out after
Speaker 3: he passed away. But it wasn't Lebron could be so
Speaker 3: much more than I think we give him. He's very
Speaker 3: charitable in a lot of ways. In a lot of
Speaker 3: ways and then and also the ways he's not, but
Speaker 3: you earn that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's also kind of a dork. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's the one. That's the one thing we learned from that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean we've been learning it for years. But like that,
Speaker 1: but he's he's will exactly.
Speaker 3: A lot of these athletes are like, I'm just too cool.
Speaker 3: I'm cool for all that. I don't do that. You
Speaker 3: are really just silly. All of us are.
Speaker 1: Exactly like you truly can't tell me anything. I am
Speaker 1: going to say all my favorite lines from Beetlejuice and
Speaker 1: dressed up like Beetle Juice, and that's just what it's
Speaker 1: going to be. Let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: come back, and uh, I guess we'll talk about the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, from Los Angeles. That's where they are now.
Speaker 1: I remember them from Minneapolis. But yeah, quick break, we'll
Speaker 1: be right back, and we're back, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it seems like like things have not been going great.
Speaker 1: We Uh, there's a lot of hope on the podcast,
Speaker 1: and I feel like anybody who's only following the NBA
Speaker 1: via this podcast is just hearing a steady decline in
Speaker 1: the Laker hope. But it's jabbar. You think it's Perimeter D.
Speaker 1: That's what you're seeing. The project.
Speaker 2: They can't there are Turnstiles, and that has been the
Speaker 2: situation for the last few years. You know, no disrespect
Speaker 2: to anybody because you know, obviously, you know, I love
Speaker 2: my guys, but they can't stop anybody on the perimeter.
Speaker 2: They can't really get back. You'll get you, you know,
Speaker 2: stop fast breaking. You know, teams that are pushing the pace,
Speaker 2: they're overly reliant on Lebron. I mean, stop me if
Speaker 2: you heard this before, overly reliant upon Lebron and Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2: And quite frankly, you know, when they went into the year,
Speaker 2: you know that I was less optimistic than I had been.
Speaker 2: And this is why, because the reality is, you yes,
Speaker 2: it's great to have Anthony Davis and play through him
Speaker 2: and have them play well. It's great to have Lebron
Speaker 2: when he's you know, when he's right. Obviously, it's still
Speaker 2: incredible to have Lebron, But the reality is to expect
Speaker 2: it every night or a majority of an eighty two
Speaker 2: game season is just unrealistic.
Speaker 1: Do we think the way that the so, the Lakers,
Speaker 1: the Suns, the Warriors all kicked off the season looking
Speaker 1: good and since then they've kind of fallen off a
Speaker 1: little bit. Kdi got hurt his game hasn't fallen off,
Speaker 1: but like both Steph and Lebron have started, you know,
Speaker 1: showing signs of age. Do we think the Olympics was
Speaker 1: less a sign of things to come and more like
Speaker 1: the NBA equivalent of Space Cowboys where it was like
Speaker 1: one last great hurrah for like the greats and now
Speaker 1: we're like kind of seeing it. It's like, all right,
Speaker 1: that was that was something, but like, we can't that's
Speaker 1: not going to keep happening like that was. That was
Speaker 1: the last one. That was That was the last job
Speaker 1: that they pull you in for.
Speaker 3: You know, wait, what are you saying? Are you saying
Speaker 3: this was?
Speaker 2: That was?
Speaker 3: That was Lebron's last chip that he got in Is
Speaker 3: over or is.
Speaker 1: It heading in that direction? Was that like Steph, KD
Speaker 1: Lebron going out on top?
Speaker 3: You're saying none of them getting any more chips? That's
Speaker 3: a rap for them.
Speaker 1: That's a rap for them. Is that what we're seeing
Speaker 1: or is this me overreacting to them just going through
Speaker 1: a rough patch in the middle of the first half
Speaker 1: of the season.
Speaker 3: I think that's not an overreaction. Take that's that's a
Speaker 3: logical from what we've seen to take someone could say that.
Speaker 3: I just don't any of them, Stefan and Lebron specifically,
Speaker 3: I just don't put anything past them. I just can't.
Speaker 3: I can't discount them and just put them in and
Speaker 3: say it's a rap. Like there's just no way I
Speaker 3: can say that with one hundred percent confidence. I can say,
Speaker 3: I know why you're thinking that, and that's a very
Speaker 3: fair question to ask. In fact, it's a great question
Speaker 3: to ask. I'm sure that there are people who feel
Speaker 3: that way because someone's always hungrier, someone's always ready to
Speaker 3: take it from you. Yeah, but experience in this league
Speaker 3: is so invaluable. So I see everybody get ahead of
Speaker 3: themselves and think they're at the head of the class,
Speaker 3: and then they learn when they're playing with the big boys,
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, okay, this is a you just see it.
Speaker 3: You see that, you see them change overnight. So I
Speaker 3: don't know. I can't. I can't say that, but it's
Speaker 3: not a bad question to ask, it's a fair question
Speaker 3: to ask. I just can't say that with one hundred
Speaker 3: percent confidence because I feel like the Lakers might still
Speaker 3: try to have some tricks of their sleeves. I feel
Speaker 3: like lebron Is has been able to do some things
Speaker 3: behind the scenes that we don't know. I think that's
Speaker 3: another reason why people get mad at him because he
Speaker 3: has so much power, and right players that we've ever
Speaker 3: seen in real time have his power displayed in real time,
Speaker 3: like we haven't. That's that whole thing. I'm sure Jordan
Speaker 3: was doing it, just in different ways, but we didn't
Speaker 3: have social media and we weren't really aware of it.
Speaker 3: It was just a special thing that we thought he was.
Speaker 3: But I have never I've never seen the way somebody
Speaker 3: can move the game pieces the way that Lebron does,
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: By the way, like in the broad Sweep of History,
Speaker 1: if like that was their last great hurrah, it was
Speaker 1: like a really cool like it makes it like an
Speaker 1: even cooler story. They're like, yeah, they just like pulled
Speaker 1: it together and like won the gold medal, like despite
Speaker 1: the fact that they were at a point in their
Speaker 1: career that nobody wanted to admit at the time they
Speaker 1: were and they were like, we're just going to defy
Speaker 1: that and.
Speaker 3: Say, no matter what, you can't you can't put anything.
Speaker 3: After we just watched that, You're like, wait, so they
Speaker 3: just did that. Can we actually say it's a wrap
Speaker 3: for them because they surely don't believe it, Like the
Speaker 3: Magic'll be like put on my small shorts, I can
Speaker 3: still get.
Speaker 2: Do you remember when Jordan when it was when they
Speaker 2: were celebrating the seventy fifth and as soon as Magic
Speaker 2: walked in the room, Jordan said, you right there, I
Speaker 2: got to do you know, let's go one on on
Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, they never stopped thinking that.
Speaker 3: Magic to this day says that that that they that
Speaker 3: the Golden State Warriors imitated the Lakers. They were built
Speaker 3: off the showtime Lakers. He was like, I would still
Speaker 3: take them. Now, let's see because we did it like
Speaker 3: they I'm like, okay, listen, I'm I'm not mad. You
Speaker 3: can't that they didn't do it. So yeah, no, I
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that's a fair. That would
Speaker 3: be great if that was their last who were off
Speaker 3: and story when we write this, when we look back
Speaker 3: on this, when the movie is done, when whatever thirty
Speaker 3: for thirty is done and Lebron is sipping Lobos tequila
Speaker 3: and telling his version of the story and they're like
Speaker 3: to say that, He's like, sure, we.
Speaker 1: Can't do you I'm sorry, do you not know that
Speaker 1: I'm Lebron James, Sure.
Speaker 2: Did you see?
Speaker 3: And then then the cigar of course, like emulating everything
Speaker 3: Jordan did.
Speaker 1: Still dressing like it was thirty years ago, wearing boot
Speaker 1: cut jeans for some reason.
Speaker 2: Boy, is that is that not in anymore?
Speaker 3: No, they were just so high.
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, they were really high, were doing yeah
Speaker 4: to shut I think, you know, to each of your
Speaker 4: points to be like, you see what we saw in
Speaker 4: the Olympics, And that's what that's what makes them so tempting.
Speaker 2: That's what makes their teams think, I mean, can we
Speaker 2: string it out over the course of eighty two just
Speaker 2: to get them to the to the sixteen tournament? Because like,
Speaker 2: if you're asking me, do I have faith in this
Speaker 2: Lakers team over the course of eighty two versus do
Speaker 2: I have faith in them over the course of sixteen,
Speaker 2: it's a completely different answer. But they're not they're not
Speaker 2: built for the long haul. But if you get you know,
Speaker 2: if there's a sprint, hey, you know what, I'll take
Speaker 2: my chances.
Speaker 3: When Lebron at x X years old, when they went
Speaker 3: to the Western Conference finals, I thought to myself, it
Speaker 3: was horrid. It was horrid. But when they beat the
Speaker 3: gold and says, I was like, oh, this is uh
Speaker 3: like to see that to me? Uh And he still
Speaker 3: wasn't at his best, but it was still something unbelievable.
Speaker 3: It almost felt the Western Conference finals for me felt
Speaker 3: like the NBA finals Like that felt like the finals
Speaker 3: for me in terms of watching those two teams, how
Speaker 3: great they were. Now he did what he could do.
Speaker 3: He got jump, they got jump, they gotta beat down.
Speaker 3: They met him in alley with bats. He couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: He couldn't do You can only do what you can
Speaker 3: do enough. But it was still to me, you know,
Speaker 3: when we look back on it, I think we will say, no,
Speaker 3: he really was chosen one. Like nobody else could really
Speaker 3: pull that off. I could. And the way Steph is
Speaker 3: and how what and Steth being a superstar and stuff
Speaker 3: is so humble, so so amazing, it's like and he's
Speaker 3: just like even but ready. So it makes it hard
Speaker 3: for people not to think they can't be a superstar
Speaker 3: and be like Steph, Like I think Steph could. I
Speaker 3: really think Steph has some stuff left in a tank.
Speaker 3: He really does, I hope.
Speaker 1: So I agree. All right, how about the Grizzlies now
Speaker 1: a two seed? This was a lot of people's sleeper
Speaker 1: pick coming in to the season, got off to like
Speaker 1: a not rocky start, but you know, they were like
Speaker 1: a few games over five hundred, and then they've reeled
Speaker 1: off a bunch in a row and just have had
Speaker 1: a really nice run. Now, now the two seed Triple
Speaker 1: J's averaging twenty two six two blocks, one point four steals,
Speaker 1: shooting a career high fifty one point seven from the floor.
Speaker 1: Seven guys are averaging double figures, and another two are
Speaker 1: just are like smart is at nine point six, Hut
Speaker 1: at nine point four. So it's base like nine guys
Speaker 1: averaging double figures, which like most people don't have like
Speaker 1: a nine man rotation. Like that's that's wild.
Speaker 3: Well that's a difference from last year, right, because didn't
Speaker 3: they have the least points last year? Didn't they average
Speaker 3: the least points last year? I think they were. I
Speaker 3: was reading that they were averaged that entire team had
Speaker 3: like maybe one hundred and nine per game. I think
Speaker 3: they they've turned it around. I don't That's what I
Speaker 3: was reading an athletic earlier. Yeah, I've always liked the
Speaker 3: Grizzlies sans Dylan and he sands now, but I've always
Speaker 3: liked the Grizzlies. I've always thought they were special. I
Speaker 3: always think that the regular season a twenty one games in,
Speaker 3: and this is like twenty twenty one game that I
Speaker 3: just I'm going to say, I'm excited about everything that
Speaker 3: I'm seeing, but when it matters, it matters, right, we're
Speaker 3: coming back. All Star breaks does have the same conversation
Speaker 3: after All Star break, let's see where we are, Like,
Speaker 3: that's when you know who came to play, because if
Speaker 3: there are all sorts of things that happen, like I
Speaker 3: think that they are going to do well. I think
Speaker 3: Ja has a lot to prove. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of media nonsense that he had to deal with and
Speaker 3: answers and questions and whatever he was dealing with. He's quiet.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's figured it out, but he's quiet,
Speaker 3: and that's all that matters. And the attention is on
Speaker 3: the court, and I feel like he's leading in a
Speaker 3: way that is like we just killed a ball. He
Speaker 3: said backwards dunk the other day. I do that all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I want to talk about that backwards dunt.
Speaker 1: First of all, he said last week he wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to dunk as much anymore, okay, and then proceeded to
Speaker 1: pull off one of my favorite dunks I've ever seen
Speaker 1: him do. A lot of people were comparing it to
Speaker 1: Vince Carter. So he went up and then basically it
Speaker 1: was a double pump. But the double pump is usually
Speaker 1: a stylistic flourish, but he was doing it to literally
Speaker 1: fake people out. Like again, it reminded me of the
Speaker 1: I think I spent twenty minutes talking about that game
Speaker 1: where he had those two reverse three sixty layups earlier
Speaker 1: this season, and neither of them were like to be fancy.
Speaker 1: It was he was moving his body in a way
Speaker 1: to functionally like give himself the best chance of making
Speaker 1: it like and that's what this feels like. He went up,
Speaker 1: everybody jumped with him, and then he just like ducked
Speaker 1: under them and dunked it over his head because he
Speaker 1: can fly, I think, is what. Yeah. Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: was on the Celtics, which makes me happy.
Speaker 3: Makes you even more happy. He's he's sick. There is
Speaker 3: that to watch him, but he's You're just like, wait,
Speaker 3: how does that happen? Who does that? And the instinct,
Speaker 3: his instinct I would be okay, So I'm going to
Speaker 3: go to what I arguably the most athletic player that
Speaker 3: we have in the league right now. Like they used
Speaker 3: to say that about in football. They would say that
Speaker 3: about Aaron Rodgers when he was in his heyday. He's
Speaker 3: the most athletic quarterback you've ever seen, just the moves
Speaker 3: that he does, just his instinct how he moves and
Speaker 3: he turns. And I feel that same way about joh
Speaker 3: like watching him and before Joah there was Russell. Russell
Speaker 3: was so athletic, like he could just do stuff. I
Speaker 3: remember Jordan here comes to my official brag telling me
Speaker 3: at All Star we year at the Jordan party that
Speaker 3: he would pay money out of his pocket to watch
Speaker 3: for so Wilson, excuse me, Westbrook, I always do that.
Speaker 3: Wesn He was like because he's so athletic, and that
Speaker 3: was just one of the things that he was so
Speaker 3: impressed by. His athleticism. John is unbelievable. That literally the
Speaker 3: duck and then the go up and then it was
Speaker 3: just like a light He really wasn't trying to dunk.
Speaker 3: I agree with him. It's just like a just a
Speaker 3: light littleish. It's something to do.
Speaker 1: Dunking apparently hurts, Like that's what that's also from that
Speaker 1: Netflix series. Anthony AMers was like, yeah, I don't like
Speaker 1: to dunk. It hurts, but it's also like people, It
Speaker 1: gets people up. It gets you guys excited, So I'll
Speaker 1: keep doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can't say Vince. Vince is sick as
Speaker 3: you will know, like Vince was. Remember he was posting
Speaker 3: dunking at forty plus years old, still does every now
Speaker 3: and again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that was funny. Vin. What was Vince saying
Speaker 1: the other day? He came on the show, Vince Vince
Speaker 1: is a friend, and yeah, yeah, we love Vince on
Speaker 1: this show. All right. Dallas has one seven straight nine
Speaker 1: out of ten. I don't know what it is about
Speaker 1: me that I'm just like, never excited when Dallas is
Speaker 1: doing well, no good reason. People of Dallas don't get
Speaker 1: mad at me because I have no good reason. I
Speaker 1: think it goes back to the Kennedy assassination. I just
Speaker 1: don't like your city. But no, that's not fair. It's
Speaker 1: also I don't get excited about Luca for no good reason.
Speaker 1: I just don't. But seventh straight nine of ten, Lucas
Speaker 1: putting up twenty nine to eight and eight, Kyrie twenty
Speaker 1: four to five and five. Kyrie is still one of
Speaker 1: the most exciting people to watch with a basketball in
Speaker 1: his hand. And then Clay has been like, you know,
Speaker 1: he has his quiet nights here and there, but thirteen
Speaker 1: and four, steady off the bench? Or is he is
Speaker 1: he starting?
Speaker 2: No, he's starting?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, steady not off the bench. And then they're
Speaker 1: fourth and offensive efficiency and eighth and defensive efficiency. So
Speaker 1: they're they're just solid. They're going to be there.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what they are. They're solid. They're like, I'm
Speaker 3: not that exciting. That is exactly how you feel about them.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't be surprised if they really put it
Speaker 3: all together and made it to really became like last
Speaker 3: man standing, Like, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised by that.
Speaker 3: That wouldn't surprise me. I think just because like the
Speaker 3: history of that team, they know how to do it.
Speaker 3: Luca probably doesn't excite you. He gets it done. Okay
Speaker 3: and Joke remind me of each other, but Jokich more so.
Speaker 3: I don't want to switch topics. But the way they
Speaker 3: play the game is very different from how I grew
Speaker 3: up watching the gameplay, so it takes a little bit
Speaker 3: of that lesser away and the excitement. So that is
Speaker 3: probably why it feels very demure. It feels very laid back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your is in this season. It's like the websterere
Speaker 1: word at the year. Maybe we should be happy that
Speaker 1: they play so demurely. Yeah. I also, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm also you know, as a as somebody who roots
Speaker 1: against the Celtics more than I root for any team.
Speaker 1: I'm also I think I have like it in my
Speaker 1: memory that they just like didn't look like the head
Speaker 1: of realistic shot against the Celtics. So I don't want
Speaker 1: them to be who the Celtics face in the finals
Speaker 1: necessarily because I don't feel like they've changed enough to
Speaker 1: provide a serious challenge. But I could be wrong. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it's just another year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm I'm inherently the Celtics. So we get
Speaker 3: bashed Boston all day on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's what we do here.
Speaker 2: That's the alternative name for the show.
Speaker 3: Yes. Also yeah, so I just and I will say this,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't when they and they'll probably go and win it.
Speaker 3: It's hard to create a dynasty. It's hard to win.
Speaker 3: Back to back. It's hard to win back to back
Speaker 3: to back like what we have seen the Celtics do
Speaker 3: and yesteryear, the Lakers, or even the Warriors for that matter.
Speaker 3: It's just not common. I just don't. I don't. I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not a believer yet so a hater. So you
Speaker 3: take that for you want to take it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: It's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe the Calves have the best chance of
Speaker 1: knocking them off is just like not even letting them get.
Speaker 3: To the That's that's right. I mean, look, the Sixers,
Speaker 3: what do we are?
Speaker 1: Oh? Really good? H So I don't know if you saw,
Speaker 1: but they, uh they're five and five and I am
Speaker 1: bragging they're five and five are the last time and
Speaker 1: I'm bragging about that. I don't know. I could see
Speaker 1: them like start putting some wins together now that em
Speaker 1: beat his back and you know he put up thirty
Speaker 1: one last night. It's again, it's been like the same
Speaker 1: way that I was saying Orlando, I check, and it's
Speaker 1: like they won again like that. That is not what
Speaker 1: I expected, like given who is healthy, like they they
Speaker 1: keep winning the Sixers the exact opposite. I'm just like
Speaker 1: again to the Pistons, like you know, like it's.
Speaker 3: It's okay, this is it enough?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? But I mean they've they've had a couple
Speaker 1: of wins to some teams that they should have beat,
Speaker 1: and it does feel like they'll eventually start playing better,
Speaker 1: like all their individual parts have had good games at
Speaker 1: this point. They just need to. And I would be
Speaker 1: surprised if Nick Nurse just like suddenly was a bad coach, like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he had a great playoffs
Speaker 1: last year. But like I I think they'll be probably
Speaker 1: all right, and they'll be in the mix at not
Speaker 1: like for the top of the East, but I think
Speaker 1: they'll probably I think they'll be in the mix.
Speaker 3: I don't know because I was I was trusting, so
Speaker 3: I don't know I could. That is an enigma that
Speaker 3: team in itself. Yet again I'm waiting for the deep,
Speaker 3: deep secret story to be told, like in itself, like
Speaker 3: it's you're like, wait, what happened? There was this meme
Speaker 3: going around and I'm sorry because I'm going to say it.
Speaker 3: There was this meme going around. It was a picture
Speaker 3: of Joel Embiid and it said, if we get in
Speaker 3: an argument and I send you this it means I'm
Speaker 3: not getting involved.
Speaker 1: That's about right. I'm that is about.
Speaker 3: Right crying and I was just like, I'm not getting
Speaker 3: involved at all, and it was so accurate, but I
Speaker 3: was I don't know what's going on. I have no concept,
Speaker 3: and I don't know why there's always so much going
Speaker 3: on out off the court. I just it just seems
Speaker 3: fascinating to me. And I'm like, why do we should
Speaker 3: know this? This is too much for me to know.
Speaker 3: It's not my business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, speaking of crying, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that, and then we're going to
Speaker 1: come back and finish out by talking about Jokic and
Speaker 1: picking a game of the week and doing the rapid
Speaker 1: fire round of question and we'll be right. And we're
Speaker 1: back and I'm actually kind of dehydrated. I just cried
Speaker 1: so hard. I was usually like, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: I just ran five miles.
Speaker 3: Like that's who I hate when it happens.
Speaker 1: It was good though, It feels good, you know. Just
Speaker 1: need to replenish, need some gatorade. All right, we want
Speaker 1: to talk about Jokic. The team not as good as
Speaker 1: years past, he is maybe better than years past. After
Speaker 1: winning three or four MVP awards. He recently dropped forty eight,
Speaker 1: fourteen and eight assists on the Hawks. Let me just
Speaker 1: go through. He is averaging thirty two point three points,
Speaker 1: career high, second in the league, thirteen point six rebounds
Speaker 1: second best of his career, first in the league, ten
Speaker 1: point two assists career high, second in the league, and
Speaker 1: shooting fifty percent from three with four point four attempts,
Speaker 1: which are both career highs. This is.
Speaker 3: What that's a great question. This is what?
Speaker 1: What? Like, he's almost he's almost leading the league in scoring,
Speaker 1: and then he's like, was last time we had somebody
Speaker 1: to lead the league in all three categories?
Speaker 2: Has anybody will did?
Speaker 1: They will lead the league and assists one of the
Speaker 1: seasons he.
Speaker 2: Definitely led the league in assists one season. But I
Speaker 2: don't know if he also like as a bit right,
Speaker 2: let's see, he was like this would be funny, right,
Speaker 2: basically yeah, he basically said like, Okay, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Let's just assume it hasn't been done. And for somebody
Speaker 1: to be doing it at a time when there's more
Speaker 1: talent in the league, there's more better players in the
Speaker 1: league than we've ever seen, is just completely unfathomable. So
Speaker 1: we were talking about this and then Jabbari said, they'll
Speaker 1: be there in the end. They'll be like a top
Speaker 1: three in the West by the end of the year. Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't think that.
Speaker 3: Oh what do you think.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be like six through ten
Speaker 1: in the West level. I don't think they have enough,
Speaker 1: even with him playing this out of his mind. Like
Speaker 1: remember how they were a few years back when like
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray was injured all the time like that. That's
Speaker 1: kind of how they feel again to me, Like, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's where they're gonna end up again.
Speaker 3: I like to preface every statement before I because I
Speaker 3: speak with a little bit of bitterness. The way they
Speaker 3: beat down my leg. You're so bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody liked that. Nobody liked that.
Speaker 3: I want to say, I agree with you. But there's
Speaker 3: something about and I don't know if it's contagious, but
Speaker 3: we'll see. It is so hard, got it so hard
Speaker 3: so early to make predictions. But the way he plays basketball,
Speaker 3: to me, it's a job. He plays it, of course,
Speaker 3: it's a job. What do you mean, Carrie. He plays
Speaker 3: like he is painting a house, Like I have to
Speaker 3: the house must be painted by the end of the day,
Speaker 3: and it has to get done otherwise I won't get paid.
Speaker 3: And for him to be leading in all of those
Speaker 3: categories is just that everyday blue collar worker mentality of
Speaker 3: this is what I have to do to get this win.
Speaker 3: This is what I have to do because this is
Speaker 3: my job. And there's something so very admirable about that.
Speaker 3: Remember when he was like, there's a parade, I got
Speaker 3: to get back home.
Speaker 1: He's so like his whole body like saying like serious.
Speaker 1: He saw his shoulders drop when they told him he
Speaker 1: had to be at the championship parade.
Speaker 3: Anything like talking to like one of the coaches or
Speaker 3: somebody's like when when is it serious? But we just
Speaker 3: did it. We won, we did we did it, we celebrated,
Speaker 3: we had the champagne. So I almost feel like that's
Speaker 3: a little contagious and people can't can't help but respect that,
Speaker 3: especially when he gets down to time to get down
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: But we'll see, yeah, yeah, that's fair. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gone anywhere. I just I don't know that the
Speaker 1: team is yeah.
Speaker 3: You hear to say that or the other day. I
Speaker 3: don't know if it was today or the other day
Speaker 3: he said, he said, where I come from, when you
Speaker 3: don't play well, your patient looks the same. Yeah, let's
Speaker 3: just start doing that. Could you imagine players not getting
Speaker 3: that same check that they're used to getting if they
Speaker 3: don't play well the anarchy? That what happened, But it
Speaker 3: might work. Who knows they need to Maybe they need
Speaker 3: to make some new rules. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think Boumani had the best response to that with
Speaker 2: he just quotes we did and said, this is America, Jack,
Speaker 2: We're not doing that. We're not going for that over here.
Speaker 3: We don't do that here. What we are spoiled and privileged?
Speaker 3: What do you say?
Speaker 2: What happening? But quickly on that I was mentioning I
Speaker 2: was talking about it with Jack before the show, and
Speaker 2: I said, there just feels to be like an inevitability
Speaker 2: about him where and that I think that lends himself
Speaker 2: to the point that you just made where it may
Speaker 2: not look flashy, it may not be as esthetically pleasing
Speaker 2: as other players, but he's gonna get the job done.
Speaker 2: And for whatever reason, you just feel like no, at
Speaker 2: the end, he's gonna finish.
Speaker 3: That's it and and so and that's what it's gonna
Speaker 3: be and if you like it, you like it, and if
Speaker 3: you don't, you don't like Sorry, what else to tell you?
Speaker 1: It's like being chased by Michael Myers and a Halloween movie.
Speaker 3: I am going to get you, are not going to
Speaker 3: or I'm still going to survive even if I don't
Speaker 3: get you. I trust me. It's going to be a
Speaker 3: part four, five, six, and seven. But we'll see. I mean, gosh,
Speaker 3: so early, so.
Speaker 1: Early, all right, Uh, I think it's time for the
Speaker 1: rabbit Fire Round of questioning. Carry this is the fastest
Speaker 1: segment in podcasting. We're gonna ask you a series of questions.
Speaker 1: You're just gonna give us the first thought that crosses
Speaker 1: your mind. Sometimes I'm known to dawdle, dilly and dally
Speaker 1: a bit, and you just have to ignore that and
Speaker 1: you know, push through as as we ask you these questions. Brian, Brian,
Speaker 1: would you start the clock?
Speaker 2: Please wait a second? Or why are we breaking tradition here?
Speaker 3: Brian start the clock. That's the tradition that we're breaking.
Speaker 1: I have to yell at Brian to get the rabbit
Speaker 1: Fire round question. Oh, thank you, Brian, I love you.
Speaker 1: All right, Jabari, I want you to start I got you.
Speaker 2: So it's almost as though Carrie, you had a look
Speaker 2: at our doc uh briar to just about ten minutes
Speaker 2: ago you basically asked this question. So I will ask
Speaker 2: you now solely as an athlete and dunker. Pick one
Speaker 2: Jah Prime Russ. You know, just those suit Jah or
Speaker 2: Prime Russ, Oh, Crime Russ. Okay, wow, okay, there was there.
Speaker 2: There was a there was a force there that you
Speaker 2: just didn't see from a six to three guy.
Speaker 3: And it was a story. Each didn't have a story.
Speaker 3: It was there was so much more behind us because
Speaker 3: he never talked, y'all. Remember he didn't say anything. He
Speaker 3: was just like he had to do. The only time
Speaker 3: we heard from when he was dunking and when he
Speaker 3: was being interviewed, it was just like yeah, no, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm like this and let him dunk
Speaker 3: then let it. So I was like, so I wanted
Speaker 3: to see I didn't need you to end in the dancing.
Speaker 3: So he needs two versions and I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go prime Rus. I just have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was basically, hey, look I dunked for you,
Speaker 2: I dance for you. What more do you want?
Speaker 3: What more do you need.
Speaker 1: Exactly the amount of energy that was expended, like just
Speaker 1: on one trip up the court with him, was like
Speaker 1: like I feel like that was the highest amount of
Speaker 1: energy expended and he just had it, you know, he
Speaker 1: had it to go like he could do that. But
Speaker 1: I understand why he was not. He did not have
Speaker 1: energy for people's bad questions at the end of the game.
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Speaker 3: I would just get the original, But if you're watching
Speaker 3: your way, you can get the original skinny and it's
Speaker 3: not as bad. But the reason why because there is
Speaker 3: something about just straight up some relish, some secret sauce, separate,
Speaker 3: not together, right because they mixed them together. Separate down together, mustard, ketchup, mail, pickles, onions,
Speaker 3: what all of it? Give it all?
Speaker 2: I need a fat burger. I'm I'm see the trouble
Speaker 2: is I'm stuck here in Tucson about ninety nine miles
Speaker 2: from one right now, So yeah, here we are.
Speaker 1: It's just like you shared a terminal diagnosis with Carrie
Speaker 1: Oh noon. Oh sorry, all love to the great city
Speaker 1: of Tucson.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, of course all of you can't get
Speaker 3: to Fatburger that was Maybe should build one.
Speaker 1: Here we are, okay, Hey, they got them in Mexico,
Speaker 1: I'm told by Brian the editor, and you can eat.
Speaker 3: I get crazy, but you did add chili to it.
Speaker 3: If that's her thing, you can get real slappy with it,
Speaker 3: like it just really is a hallmark. I love some
Speaker 3: in and out, in and out as quick as trendy
Speaker 3: lines are long, everybody. Don't get me wrong. Love love
Speaker 3: love loves in and out. But you want old school representation,
Speaker 3: you need you need a fat.
Speaker 2: Burg there it is all right, one more for you.
Speaker 2: Your team as a final possession is down too in
Speaker 2: a Game seven of the finals, for which player from
Speaker 2: throughout your franchise history do you want with the ball
Speaker 2: in his hands?
Speaker 3: You know I'm gonna say something and I'll probably regret it. Oh,
Speaker 3: there were moments, there's key moments that I will I
Speaker 3: shall never forget, and I'm not gonna say magic. I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna say Kobe, not even gonna say Kaream. But
Speaker 3: when we needed a three, Derek Fisher there.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I did not expect that answer.
Speaker 3: And I know he's a controversial set on the plate,
Speaker 3: but for some not for me, d Use to get
Speaker 3: it done like he was. He was always clutch. Always
Speaker 3: we needed three, and he was there. We're down to three,
Speaker 3: game winner two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and nine Finals against some magic you know, in
Speaker 2: that comeback at the end of that, I think it
Speaker 2: was game four who knocked down the big three. That
Speaker 2: was d Fish.
Speaker 3: Thank shot Bob too. But I'm gonna go with you
Speaker 3: friend of show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my good friend Robert Dorry. All right, sorry, we're
Speaker 1: just double. We're just getting the score in from the judges.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that was one. You got every single one
Speaker 1: of those right, Those were the correct answers. Carrie Champion,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining Miles and Jack and
Speaker 1: sometimes Jabari got mat Boosti's where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Follow you all that good stuff.
Speaker 3: Carrie Champion. My name on Instagram, not so much on
Speaker 3: Twitter anymore threads. You can also follow me on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Got a YouTube channel. It's all good. I put all
Speaker 3: my stuff up and follow me Instagram. I give you everything,
Speaker 3: all the things and my podcast. Of course, of course
Speaker 3: you gotta listen to it. So go to iHeart and
Speaker 3: listen where you get all your favorite podcasts and I'm there.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a really good one art basel athlete podcast with
Speaker 3: some athletes were that are into art. Now you know
Speaker 3: the world's intersect. So it's good.
Speaker 1: All right, well amazing, Thank you so much for joining us.
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