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Speaker 2: Real good, Let's just keep it real straight shout with

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Speaker 2: here for those who really believe in the American process,

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Speaker 3: Effect podcasting at wording.

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Speaker 2: Now you're talking to the only person markets that pushed

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Speaker 2: not only that, when he had to get on Bernie's

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Speaker 2: the damn bus y'all don't know what y'all talking about.

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Speaker 2: You got to get some experienced guys for real, real talk,

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Speaker 2: and stop listening to everything you here on YouTube. That

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Speaker 2: is a great place, it's a great influence, but it's

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Speaker 2: nothing like working on a campaign to see how this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and terms, I just want to say one more thing.

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Speaker 4: these candidates are just vehicles for pushing policies and pushing

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Speaker 5: That hopped on back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 4: We did so not because you know, we thought he

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Speaker 4: all x DNC people, we were all ex establishment people.

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Speaker 1: I was a former Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: Well I wasn't donna speak for yourself, do but go ahead.

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Speaker 5: Everybody, but I'm yo, Marcus.

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Speaker 4: A more large majority of us came from that Democratic establishment.

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Speaker 4: But we were the ones that were pushing the establishment

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Speaker 5: We were on black ball.

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Speaker 4: None of us would get campaign Johns. None of the

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Speaker 2: Well, and let me speak, let me, let me speak

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Speaker 2: to that, because can I speak to that right quickly?

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Speaker 2: While I got a witness in the room. So Danny

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Speaker 2: I told him after Gate. Fuck Bernie Sanders. I'm here

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Speaker 2: make sure because Marcus said, I want to make sure

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Speaker 2: we make the distinguished distinguish who was talking and who ain't. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: His ass didn't make me no difference. I was there

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Speaker 2: So I went in knowing wasn't nobody gonna give me

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Speaker 2: I was there because Senator Turner brought me on the campaign.

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Speaker 2: And I was never feeling Bernie personally because I'm not

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Speaker 2: So again for those of you that don't understand why

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Speaker 2: So you ain't got to rock with me. I don't

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Speaker 2: not permanent friends permanent enemies, but about permanent interests. And

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Speaker 3: Just for clarity, Go ahead, Marcus, I got.

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Speaker 5: I got one last thing.

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Speaker 6: I want to talk about some of the meetings that

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Speaker 6: So they would have these meetings with these important black

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Speaker 6: So imagine how hard it was for a person who

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Speaker 6: The ones that are leaders of our community don't bring

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 6: He was completely as certain, asserted of himself that he

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Speaker 6: Until the spot got blew up by bad.

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Speaker 5: Spot got blew up by organizers on the street. This

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Speaker 6: Were like, Okay, well you ain't talking about shit, Let's

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Speaker 6: talk about reparation. I needed some kind of backing, some

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Speaker 5: The shit is so goddamn important from the outside.

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Speaker 7: Going on, Sister tas Uh, you know, shout out, shout out.

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Speaker 1: To everybody in the room. I want to real quick,

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Speaker 7: You brought up Gabe and the reparations, but I want

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Speaker 1: We are still on.

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Speaker 7: The track jogging getting ready for our fight and when

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Speaker 2: But stay right here though, because I get I gave

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Speaker 2: get out of it, like yeah, But I want to

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Speaker 2: to stand by everything that I said. And the best

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Speaker 2: not saying he's not spending more time on whatever, I'm

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Speaker 3: I have a dream.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about right now. The reality of the dream

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Speaker 5: But that separates the good candidates.

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Speaker 2: From And again I was the first one to say

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Speaker 3: I'm giving you on the ground shit you ain't heard

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Speaker 3: It's one hundred and eighty eight thousand people in Collperence District.

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Speaker 2: I do not this marcell for getting two thousand, five

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Speaker 2: I've done this shit, Nahim. I'm telling you what it is,

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Speaker 7: Look what you're saying is stuff that we've said. Some

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Speaker 7: My knowledge so that I would know exactly what needs

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Speaker 2: now on the line the thing that I saw y'all

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Speaker 2: did last week or so ago, he's doing it now.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's impressed. And anybody can get on here and say

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Speaker 2: I live in Chicago or I got friends in Chicago.

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Speaker 3: That's not how that shit worked. So it ain't even him.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know to know the man personally, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not even getting into the reasons why people don't

447
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Speaker 2: like him.

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Speaker 3: Don't like him?

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Speaker 2: You are you, You're organization is about supporting candidates. I

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Speaker 2: have no problem with that. I'm saying that Gabe, as

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Speaker 2: a candidate, if he wants to get more than three

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Speaker 2: hundred people to show up, he's going to have to

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Speaker 2: spend more time on the ground. And anytime I see

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Speaker 2: a candidate spending any amount of time lift the amount

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Speaker 2: of time online, that's a problem.

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And with Marcel, I know he say all the time

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Speaker 2: he's stretching in all different types of ways, knocking on doors,

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Speaker 2: fundraising volunteers here, here, here, He's doing all of that,

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Speaker 2: and I tell him all the time, this is gonna

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Speaker 2: wear you down. You cannot be convincing these people to

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Speaker 2: be a candidate when you.

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Speaker 3: You gotta be the candidate. Are you the candida? Are

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Speaker 3: you convincing then to be the candidate?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: You can't.

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Speaker 2: You can't do all of those things that once because

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Speaker 2: you only got twenty four hours in a day. It's

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Speaker 2: called discipline and focus and paying attention to your job description.

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Speaker 3: When I do the front.

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Speaker 2: Page, those guys, I'm not saying now, I focus on

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Speaker 2: the thing. I'm not trying to follow up with the

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Speaker 2: room and report and what's going on in pop culture

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Speaker 2: and what's going on here and what's going on there,

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Speaker 2: because I can't keep up with all of that. In

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Speaker 2: order to know what I'm talking about. I gotta have

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Speaker 2: my head all the way down and what I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about because I'm gonna get quizzed on the shit that

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: And then I let the pop culture person talk about that.

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Speaker 3: You can't.

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Speaker 2: You can't always be I may be familiar with some things,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not trying to keep up with everything going

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Speaker 2: on in the shade room and everything going on. That's

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Speaker 2: the why y'all see my message consistently. I don't be

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Speaker 2: sitting up at one minute talking about reparation reparation, next minute,

487
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about politics. Next minute, I'm talking about Daton.

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Speaker 2: Next minute, I'm talking about colorism. The next minute, I'm

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Speaker 2: asking well, why black women wear real hair and fake hair?

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Speaker 2: The next minute I'm talking about this and talking about that.

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Speaker 2: That shit look crazy. At some point you gotta drill

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Speaker 2: down in the shit that you that you want to

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Speaker 2: be taken serious in. My message has never been different.

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Speaker 2: It's been the same for the last decade plus. I

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Speaker 2: may have fun and talk about fun little things, but

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you can go back

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Speaker 2: and pull any of my receipts. For the last ten

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Speaker 2: years on radio, television, blog, talk radio, ten people listening,

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Speaker 2: twenty people listen, it's been the same message consistently, That's

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Speaker 2: all I'm saying. And you don't have to have followers

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Speaker 2: to be taken serious. You don't have to have a

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Speaker 2: bunch of numbers, you don't have to win a race

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Speaker 2: to be taken serious. You're taking serious by the amount

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Speaker 2: of discipline that you're putting into your craft. And you

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Speaker 2: guys got scholarship on lock y'all read the whole library.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just scholarship. The action part gotta come

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Speaker 2: from the candidate.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, one hundred percent correct. I got somebody that

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Speaker 7: hit me up there from Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I think they want to.

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Speaker 7: Get up and speak about the situation with Gabe.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's something.

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Speaker 7: You want to do, because I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 7: I'll just I'll just know what I know that we

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Speaker 7: support all candidates that's running on the reparations platform over

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Speaker 7: at be the power.

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Speaker 3: And as you should.

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Speaker 2: And guess what unless that person ask that person how

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Speaker 2: many campaigns had they won, then they can get up

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Speaker 2: tell them in the comments put to how many campaigns

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Speaker 2: they want with the website, citing the ones they want.

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Speaker 2: I'll be happy to bring them up. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying that being funny, but I'm being real as hell.

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Speaker 2: This is about experience. I'm talking about operation of operative stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about supporting people because of their vision.

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Speaker 2: Those are two totally different things. If they can't speak

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Speaker 2: to how many campaigns they what they know what they're

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Speaker 2: talking about. I don't know what value they bring this

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Speaker 2: conversation because I'm talking about operative stuff. So maybe they

530
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Speaker 2: can put the question down in the thing and we

531
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Speaker 2: can bring them up. But it makes it. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at his ballipedia, I'm not talking about I can look

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Speaker 2: at somebody's ballipedia and they can tell me what it is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Nobody got to tell me, Oh, what

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Speaker 3: happened was the establaghe was against him? This and that.

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Speaker 2: That don't mean to me. I'm talking about the numbers

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Speaker 2: and what I saw. That's what I'm telling you. I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at the numbers and I'm looking at what I

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Speaker 2: saw him do on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Let me be very clear.

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Speaker 2: No candidate has time to be talking to people that

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Speaker 2: are not their voters. That's it, that's all. It's nothing.

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Speaker 2: Anybody can tell me different. Ten thousand people voted and

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Speaker 2: Gabe's election ten thousand to get four hundred out of

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Speaker 2: ten thousand, I'm not dicing that.

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Speaker 3: That's fine. But you said he ran more than once.

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Speaker 2: As a campaign manager, I'm gonna ask why were you

548
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Speaker 2: spending any time talking to people that can't help you.

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00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 2: The pack is supposed to raise the money to give.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you how the Jewish.

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Speaker 3: People do it at their pack. A pack.

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Speaker 2: The pack gives the money to gave you, give the

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Speaker 2: money to Gabe be the power gives the money. Hey,

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Speaker 2: here's one thousand dollars, here's twenty five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: We support you.

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Speaker 2: It's not for him to come in and spend any

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Speaker 2: of his talking time talking to people who are not

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Speaker 2: his voters. It serves him nothing. All it did was

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Speaker 2: cause a bunch of drama. And that's not to this. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you what it is. No successful campaign

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Speaker 2: manager wants their candidate talking to people that cannot vote

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Speaker 2: for them. That math is never changing. That's never gonna

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Speaker 2: change name. And that's all I'm saying. And it's not

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Speaker 2: a disc it's a pack is a pack. Job is

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Speaker 2: a pack to support candidates, and a candidate better had ass.

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Speaker 3: Knocking on doors is supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: I would use this metaphor, but it'll go over Steven's

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Speaker 2: head and he'll be so offended. Need to be able

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Speaker 2: to fool somebody in motion somewhere, though. But there's another profession.

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Speaker 2: There's another profession where they say, you know when when

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Speaker 2: the pens say you know, you need to be walking

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Speaker 2: and not talking.

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Speaker 3: Canada is supposed to be on that pavement. That's it.

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Speaker 3: That's a hole. You said something else night.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that wasn't me.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't me.

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Speaker 7: But you know, sister Terror, I think I'll tacked her

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Speaker 7: in the comments section, and I think she's gonna put

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Speaker 7: down some of some of her successes that she's had

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Speaker 7: in the city of Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to speak in that regard.

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Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily Yeah, nobody's saying that you don't have successes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tamra, Tamar, I believe I remember you reached out

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Speaker 3: to me early.

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Speaker 2: Again, Tamara, nobody saying that people don't have success It's

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Speaker 2: not what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking about bottom line because once she running

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Speaker 2: for US senate when you she was running for US senate.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Tamara was running US Senate in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 7: Well yeah, Well, let me just be clear that I

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Speaker 7: was talking about sister Terror.

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Speaker 1: She's out of your cargo. I attacked her, But.

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Speaker 7: You have sister Tamara. But that's one Let me say,

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Speaker 7: that's one sister that I know personally that went out

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Speaker 7: there and knocked doors.

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Speaker 2: That oh, no question, and guess and guess what my answer,

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Speaker 2: and guess what my answer gonna be. Guess what my

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Speaker 2: answer gonna be? For her and anybody else, I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying it on our doors. What I'm telling you is

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent of your time to be talking to

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Speaker 2: your voters. One hundred percent. I'm not changing that one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. What's happening everybody. This is tessling figure Out.

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