WEBVTT - What To Do When You’re Having Two 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:04.400 Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda Land Audio 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:14.520 in partnership with I Heart Radio. Just a quick disclaimer, 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:19.720 this episode was recorded pre pandemic. Hi everybody, and welcome 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.880 back to Katie's Crib. I am so excited that I'm 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:25.280 going to do a little bit of a drum roll, 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.320 like a kind of thing for today's topic because Adam 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:32.400 and I are obsessed with the concept of twins. You guys, 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.280 I have so many questions about twins, how to raise them. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:37.640 How Like, I was like, we just have to do 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.560 a whole entire episode about this because I just need 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.080 to know. I have a lot of questions. And I 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.440 have two very very close friends in my life, Graham 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.479 Sibley and Maryland fo who are parents of twins. And 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.280 it was getting uncomfortable how much we hang out together socially, 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:55.360 and I have all these burning questions I want to 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:56.760 ask them. So I was like, let's just get them 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.040 on the podcast so I can get it done. So 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.880 welcome Marlyn and Graham. Um let me tell you, guys 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.160 quickly a little bit about them. Maryland is a brilliant screenwriter. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.320 She wrote and co produced The Sisterhood of Night in 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.360 two fifteen, she won an award at the Screenplay of 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.920 Tribeca Film Festival. Her recent feature screenplay, The Honor List, 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.160 was released by lions Gate. Graham is basically the greatest 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.760 actor I have ever known. That is true. And he 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.039 is in I Am a theater company with me. We 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.520 go back a hundred million years. His resume is incredible. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.120 You can I AMDBM if you care. He's literally the 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.200 actor I wish I could be. Um. Period. They are 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:37.759 a power couple and now they are power parents two twins, 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.920 Lion and kp which I love their names. I love them. Um, 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.360 let's get the heck into this. Um. How do we 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.000 know each other? Graham? Simply other than I am? And 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.120 is that how we met? Yeah? We met that thirteen 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.240 years ago when you're almost going to quit being an actor. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.120 The first time I saw you was on your first 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:05.000 date with Adam. What is that true? I'm pretty sure? 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.480 Well was it you and Adam were walking in Venice? 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.800 Oh yeah, Oh no, that was like our first like 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.960 sleepover date. So maybe that was like the third date 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.959 because I keep it classy. No no judgment on a 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:19.520 women who go home first date, like go for it. 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.400 But that's not what happened with that. I think that 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:22.960 was the first time I'd seen you and I was like, 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.080 oh that I knew Adam and I was like, I 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.679 think that's hey, you know, and you had long hair, 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.519 and you were riding a skateboard and you remember the skateboard. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.200 He had a skateboard when you met him. Do no, 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:38.760 I just heard this story skateboard. So enter in Maryland. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.560 Thank god, you guys. When you have like a dear, 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.359 dear bestie dude and he brings along a woman into 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:51.680 your life, that is exceptional. The relief is massive because 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.079 when a dear, dear bestie dude of yours brings in 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.240 not that it is really a bummer. So Maryland, you 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.919 have exceeded, gone above and yawned. It's like Bigram, go away. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.600 I'd like to hang out there. Um, how long have 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.160 you guys been together? Has been two years? I think 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.919 it's been more than that. I think it's been three. Well, 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:11.520 who knows, because you have twins, you don't You were 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:17.320 married last December and then we were together for I 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.200 guess a year and a half before that, right, so 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.440 almost three years. Does twins run in either of your families? 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:28.080 So we learned a lot through this um journey of twindom. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:33.080 And identical twins don't run genetically. Wow, So it's like 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.480 a literal phenomenon. It is. Identical twins are a little 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.920 real phenomenal because fraternal twins is genetic and when you 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.000 hear about identical twins happening, that can be through like 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.839 if you took fertility aid or like fraternal twins would 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.440 be oh okay. So identical twins is literally like the 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.320 egg either splits between the first and the third day, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.960 the third and the fifth day, or the fifth and 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.360 the seventh day, and there are different kinds of winds. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.680 So we have monodi twins, which means that it's split 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:10.280 between the five And I think, yeah, now, I'm so 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.520 says in Maryland, because you got pregnant later in life, 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.520 which is so huge and inspiring for women out there. 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.039 You had frozen your eggs before correct and you did 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.920 not use them. Still him eyes, still paying the monthly 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.440 be to keep him onny right, and you, guys, I 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.640 met later in life, you got engaged, you were like, well, 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.880 in terms of pregnancy, we're what's known as a geriatric pregnancy, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.880 which is a disgusting, real scientific term, and you were like, 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.840 so we should just get on this thing because we 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.000 feel like we want to be parents, and you started trying. Yeah, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:50.839 And at your wedding, which I was at, is tell 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.960 the rest of the story. How does it go? Well, 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.000 we knew we were pregnant around eight weeks, but when 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:02.360 we first went in to see my obi, she only 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.800 saw one. So for a certain amount of time we 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.680 knew we were pregnant, but we thought we were having one. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.000 Fast forward just a little bit of time. We're getting 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.720 ready for our wedding weekend, all of our families coming in, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.680 and about two hours before my mom arrives, I have 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.520 another fall up appointment, where this time she sees two. 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.160 So were you there, Graham? Were you in the room 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:30.880 where you by yourself? So she went to go pick 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.159 because we were going to go for our honeymoon, and 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.560 so she went to go pick up a prescription for 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.919 U T. I guess when you're traveling women who are 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.320 pregnant the US or something. And so I didn't go 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:41.760 to this appointment because I was like, you're just gonna 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.360 pick up the prescription and whatever. And so she came 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.800 home and I was like, you know, wedding weekend, like 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.520 this is huge deal. Families all coming into town from 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.080 all over. It was like even in the morning, and 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.719 nobody knew you were pregnant. Your family didn't know, right, No, 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.640 no one knew. No one knew. And we didn't want 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.800 to ruin that surprise because we didn't want to take 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:04.360 the thunder away from the from the wedding. So so then, um, 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.320 now we here we are at amm Marylyn comes back 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.200 from the doctor and she goes, Graham Graab came here, 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.880 and she shows me the ultrasound picture and I'm like, oh, 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.120 that's cool, awesome, Yeah, yeah, we're pretty that's right yet, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.680 and and then she goes, no, no, no, no, look closer. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.800 And I looked closer and I was like, oh my gosh. 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:29.960 And then it was like ding dong no way. So 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.360 all weekend we kept looking at each other going were 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:38.120 you like your immediate reaction Maryland to twins. I I 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.919 can't even imagine the pack that the punch that packs of. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:49.599 Just like I felt immense gratitude. Just I felt so 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.919 grateful because we we're actually both forty two at the time, 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:59.040 and like you said, I mean that's after thirty five, right, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.760 it's like a geriatric parto over here getting pregnant with ye. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.200 So at forty two, you were like, right, like, this 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.479 probably is going to take a long time. It might 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.920 not be easy. We might be you know, unfreezing those eggs. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.840 We might you know, we didn't really know, and so 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.400 I think just to find out that we're having to 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:26.320 our nurse said something to us. She said, sometimes the 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:32.559 flame burns brightest right before it goes out. Right. Oh, 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:38.400 that's incredible, that is so funny. Oh I can't okay, So, 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.920 you guys the most epic wedding of all time. So 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.320 we're so thrilled that Graham has found incredible Maryland. Were 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.800 so thrilled that you guys are together and all of 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.640 the groups of friends came together to celebrate your love. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:56.120 And then what happens on the dance floor. So then 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.400 we everybody performed, including you and Adam and some of 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:05.840 my my closest friends, and we went last, and so 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.720 um we uh. We changed the lyrics to Adam Sandler's 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:17.480 the Wedding Singer Song, And throughout the whole night, there 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.280 was a monogram that was playing on behind everybody who 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:26.720 was performing, and um, that monogram while we were singing, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:35.839 changed to the ultrasound photo, and the ultrasound photo said, uh, congratulations, 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.520 and then it went on for a little bit longer, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.439 and then it said we are pregnant, and everyone was 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:47.240 like what screen and then and then it said with twins, 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.320 and it was just like I'll never forget it. It 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.319 was just like mayhem either. It was fucking insane. My 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.280 husband rushed the dance floor and started a mosh pit, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:03.280 screaming twins, twins, and everybody was like jumping up and down, screaming, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:08.600 holding each other, bawling, crying. I sweated through a very 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.320 thick velvet suit and it was soaked at the end 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.960 of the night because I downs it was. It was 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.080 such a beautiful moment. It's just unforgettable to be there 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.320 with you guys, all of you together, and and I 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.439 just really think like it's just really inspiring for people 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.760 out there listening, Like I just think like, at forty two, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.000 you guys met, fell in love, got engaged, got pregnant 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:34.040 with twins, announced it at your wedding. You've birthed them. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.520 They are healthy. You guys are surviving. When we got 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.280 into in the this is your lab, that's why when 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:41.760 you were like, how long have we been together? And 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.520 you're like, I don't know, two or three years. It's 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.240 like you've been fucking busy. It's been amazing. It's been 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:50.160 so we're so every day. I'm just like so grateful 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.240 for Maryland and the opportunity to raise these two boys. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.120 So take me through your pregnancy with twins and like 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.199 teach me, like, is it so different than having Well, 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.120 I mean obviously you know too and I only know one, 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.520 but like, what did doctors tell you? Were you sick? Um? 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.679 How did you feel? So my pregnancy was pretty uneventful, 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.280 which is thank god great to hear about, right, Like, 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.120 nothing huge happened, I mean except for me getting here, 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.680 just that huge thing happened. Yes, But um, I guess 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.640 the main difference is, you know we saw we went 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:44.600 to see my obi probably um once a week. Okay. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.439 So because it's high risk because of age, and high 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.760 risk because it's twins, your doctor visits are more. Yes. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.479 I remember Graham saying he had bought a mini fridge 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.520 next to the bed because that's how much you were consuming. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.080 You couldn't even make it to a kitchen. You had 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:06.200 to literally have power bars and like yogurt drink that 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.240 I absolutely loved. Yeah, oh, you were craving yogurt drinks. Well, 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.080 I don't know if I was really craving it. I 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.560 just was so hungry all the time. I would at 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.679 least fill you up quickly. Yes, in the middle of 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.320 the night, I would just reach over chug that yogurt drink, 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.360 go back to bed. In the mornings, I would make 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.480 myself these elaborate breakfasts, so they might be like it 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.920 might be like a forty minute like preparation. I made 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.800 like pancakes with like protein powder in them, and then 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.720 like this hemp protein I really loved berries. Then I 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:44.600 would do scrambled scores kale in it, and like cheese 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.720 and veggies, and then it would just be this whole thing. 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.200 And then I would just sit down and enjoy my breakfast. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.959 And was your plan to have a vaginal birth or 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:58.320 cesarean or what did people what were people telling you 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.320 was most likely going to be the case? Like what 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.960 did you want and what ended up happening? Well, I 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:08.120 really wanted a vaginal birth, so I read all about it, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:14.120 and I, you know, listen to your podcast, and just 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.240 you know, I was preparing for that at the same 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.880 time our specialist, because not only did we see R 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.439 O B a lot, we also saw a specialist once 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.079 every three weeks or so. And what is that specialist? 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.839 Is that a twin specialist or like a high risk specialiontologist? 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.240 What the hell is that? Basically a twin doctor or 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.280 I think they do. It's just a high risk doctor 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.880 who pregnancies that are maybe not your normal like average 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:44.480 one baby right right, And but yeah, and and and 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.880 he was awesome, and that whole team was awesome. And 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.160 so we would go in there. Yeah, like it was 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.200 like every two or three weeks, and so we had 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.240 a we were in the doctor's office all the time. Yeah, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.600 so you were so what was the specialist telling you? 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.760 So pretty early on he was saying, it's very unlikely 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.440 you're gonna have a vaginal bone and we're like, oh yeah, 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.600 what are you know? We're like, maybe something different will 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.000 happen with us, right because you hold out hope, You're 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.880 like I'm going to be you know, I mean, so 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.960 he's telling you most likely you're going to be a 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.280 C section. Well he was also this all this doctor 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:26.240 was also um really focused on something called twin twin syndrome. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.600 The hell's that? Um? It's uh, it's where one of 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:35.280 the twins in our specific mono dye type between eight 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.839 between days three and five, identical twins, your twindom are 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:43.480 twindom Um. There is a possibility for one of the 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.480 children to take more of the nutrients than the other. 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.640 And so they were that's what they were literally, Arnold 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:59.559 Schwarzenegger and Danny Video who exactly right. So they're monitoring 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.240 the twins and how they're functioning in the womb. One 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.880 can be taking more food off in the first scenario, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.280 they both have their own placentas, right, and then and 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.720 then they're they're in their own sacks, which would mean 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.920 they wouldn't be stealing each other's stuff, that's right, And 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.360 that there's that's the least risk. And then there's this 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.320 middle zone where they share a placenta but they're in 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.440 different sacks. And then there's the most high risk, which 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.080 is they share a placenta and they're in the same sack. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.320 What were you guys, So we had our boys were 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.800 in different sacks, but they shared a placenta. So the 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:37.680 doctor was monitoring their weight gain, their progress, their development, 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.960 the neck, all of the measurements and all of that stuff. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.160 We were so lucky. We were so lucky because every 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.920 time we went in there, um there were people who 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.680 um weren't as lucky as us, and they had just 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.720 left and you know, and and we kept going, you know, 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:00.640 we kept every time and it was like we were 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.680 in and out going. Everything was great. Everything was great, 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.080 and we're just like every time there was not one 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.920 visit where we got any news where we had to 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.840 be worried or something. The podcast stories, I'm so happy 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.880 to be around because it's not Yeah, it's really not 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.240 always the case. I have some friends, you know, growing 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.880 up who were twin had a twin in utero that 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.120 one didn't make it, and my friend did you know 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:25.440 things like that that is common. I mean, that does happen. Um, 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.440 So they start preparing you for a C section and 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.920 tell me about going into labor and all that. Were 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.240 you induced? Was it planned? Were you given a date 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.760 and a time? Yeah? So it was planned. And I 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.240 mean I think ultimately I had you know, maybe a 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:40.960 week or two in there where I had to just 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.640 kind of shift mentally into thinking, Okay, I thought that 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.760 I would have this experience and now I'm gonna have 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.840 a C section. But I actually felt good about it 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.880 because r O. B. She's actually a pioneer in all 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.200 kinds of like natural birth processes. And she kept saying, 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:06.640 just of the delivery as the introduct the portal to motherhood, 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.280 to bringing these children into the world. It's not the 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.480 whole experience. There is so much more. So don't dwell. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.200 It's two days out of the hopefully millions are gonna 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:20.880 get or whatever. But so you had a planned C section, right, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.560 So our specialist he really didn't want us to go 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:30.720 past how many weeks? Six weeks six? So I guess 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.600 through different studies and I think like different cases, they 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.560 know that going past thirty six weeks, there's no benefit 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:43.080 to our specific situation. Okay, our boys were close to 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.680 July fourth, and so they took them out, um before 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.520 the holiday. That is always how it works, guy, do 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.160 you want to know that, Like for induction, it's always 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.000 like yeah, um mine was like, it's the it's the 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.200 high holidays. So you know what I was like, got it, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.680 got it, Like people will have lives and it's just 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.160 a thing. So they didn't make it to thirty six 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.800 they made it to thirty five and change where you scared? 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.840 How did you feel before going in? I think I 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:16.840 felt ready. I was like, let's get them out. I 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:18.960 remember you at the end, which is you know. I 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.200 always feel like that's so lucky if you're able to 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.600 get there when you're pregnant, for you to say just 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.240 let's get this. I can't do this anymore. I can't 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.080 carry this more. I can't pee anymore in the middle 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.359 of the night, I can't have reflux anymore. I want 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.840 my body back, Like, let's just get on with the show, 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.440 right right, And little did I know that would be 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:42.479 this whole journey to reclaiming my body, right, like feeling 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.560 like you're more, You're back in your body. So that's 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:49.000 still going on, but um, that first step of getting 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.080 that for sure, And I think I remember one night 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.159 I just couldn't sleep towards the end at all, so 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.879 I was on the couch and um, I maybe you 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.160 come up and sleep with me on the couch. One 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.720 night it was pretty close to when we knew we 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.119 were going into the hospital, and I was crying and 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.520 holding your hand and I just wanted you to sleep 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.639 with me upstairs because I felt really alone. Yeah, it 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.040 made me cry. Yeah, and she she had to sleep 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:20.480 sitting up for i'd say probably the last four months. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.520 She's this weird pillow configuration where it was like it 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.240 had to be the pink pillow and the blue pillow 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.639 and then this pillow. And then if it wasn't that, 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.320 it was like something's wrong. Why you would reflux or 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.640 you were uncomfortable, too much weight on the side or something. Yeah, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.560 exactly on my side. It was like the boys just 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.159 went to the side. Could you imagine that failing? No, 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.040 I can't. I mean it was painful for one. I cannot. 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.760 Even So you go in for a C section, it's 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:54.119 all status quo, I mean, nothing out of the ordinary, right, Yeah, 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.280 I mean, I mean obviously it was the most exceptional 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:57.959 day of your life. But I'm saying as far as 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:04.760 like the doctors were concerned, it was like like all good, right, nothing, 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:09.760 no real complications, I think the I mean, one part 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.480 that was really surprising to me that I hadn't read 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:18.560 about or no other moms had mentioned, was that once 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:22.280 so they made the incision and then I could kind 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:26.760 of hear our nurse and our doctor talking and one 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.200 of the last things I remember is that because we've 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.639 gone on our honeymoon to Morocco, and so the nurse 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.119 was like, oh, these boys have already been on camel rides, 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:42.159 they'll be fine. I remember her before the moccoon right right, 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:47.280 But there was this sensation all of a sudden they 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.760 were talking and then all of a sudden, I felt 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:53.240 this incredible pressure that knocked the wind out of me 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:59.040 on my stomach and um. Later she explained that it 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:04.000 was her elbow that to get the babies out. They 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:08.639 tried to um mimic the feeling of the baby going 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.840 through the canal being pushed through. So instead of pulling 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.439 them out or lifting them out, which is what I 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.720 had imagined the c section was like would be like 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.320 for me, they with all the force that she had 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.879 in her body, presses down with her elbow and then 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.480 pushes the baby out. So she did that two times, 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:34.000 and the first time I was still kind of with it, 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.040 and I could. I remember hearing lion come out and 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.679 his cry, and I just all the joy and the 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:45.040 feelings with that. And then the second time, um, when 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.600 KP came out, who came out without a sound compared 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.359 to his brother who had had this kind of war cry. 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.520 Kap came out. Um, I was just so like the 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:59.120 second time around, it was like complete nausea and just 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.480 feeling rugs on the epidural and the weird feeling of 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.159 the pressure and the push, Like that feeling of the 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:09.760 second push Did it just make you want to barth exactly? Yeah, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.639 So I think that was surprising. I didn't know that 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:16.640 that was part of the experience for as Arian. So 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:21.200 so once kp came out and wasn't crying, were you worried? 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.320 Did they? Did he cry a little bit after? How 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.720 did that go? Well? Really quickly they brought them over 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.119 to us, So I wasn't worried. Were you know, I 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.960 wasn't worried. I was like when Lyon came out, it 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.480 was a shriek. It was such a loud shriek. And 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:39.040 then you know, they whisked them away and clean them up, 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.440 and you know, and then I I didn't want Then 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.200 there was another one, So I was like, I didn't 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.720 know what to do. Your attention is already being split, 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.320 so it's like you welcome to being a parent of twins. 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.280 I was like, I was. I was with Maryland and 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.960 I was like I don't. I didn't want to leave Maryland, 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:56.680 and they kept saying, do you want to come over 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.359 and see and see Lyon and see Lyon? And I 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.679 was like, no, I'm staying here with Marylyn. The baby's 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:04.480 gonna be fine, you know. And so I stayed with Maryland. 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:06.760 And then once the second baby came out a couple 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.200 of minutes later, was it a couple of minutes between 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.520 the two three minutes later? Why is that? And why 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:14.359 how do they pick which one comes out first? Like? 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:18.240 What the hell? How does it? Lion had been head 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:22.000 down for a couple of weeks and hadn't moved at all, 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:28.919 and then Lion had been moving his position all around. Okap, right, 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:31.040 KP had been moving around a Lion was in the 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:35.240 birthing position. So had he had you done, a vaginal 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.439 birth line would have come out first. And so we 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:42.120 went to go to the the specialist. Um we kept, 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.800 you know, asking like, are they in the same positions, 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.680 because we feel kicking in the same places, and yeah, 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.639 Lion would had always been ready to go the whole 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.960 the whole time, and right towards the end, then they 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:58.000 both they both switched. They both like went around right 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.320 and then and then they ended up landing back in 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:04.040 the same position, so it was weird. And then um, 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.359 and then when Lion came out, he was off getting 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:09.680 taken care of. And then and then KP came out 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:12.840 and he was off getting taken care of. And once 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.400 I felt like Marilyn was okay, I went I saw 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:19.040 the two babies, and they weren't. They were so cute 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.080 from from the start, like that, not only were you 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.720 guys blessed in this whole situation of like all of 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:29.159 this happening, thank God, healthily and safely and miraculously, but 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.280 they were cute from like the first second, like most 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:38.399 people's newborn babies are gremlin alien grandpa's. How did you 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:42.520