1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda Land Audio 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Radio. Just a quick disclaimer, 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: this episode was recorded pre pandemic. Hi everybody, and welcome 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: back to Katie's Crib. I am so excited that I'm 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: going to do a little bit of a drum roll, 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: like a kind of thing for today's topic because Adam 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: and I are obsessed with the concept of twins. You guys, 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: I have so many questions about twins, how to raise them. 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: How Like, I was like, we just have to do 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: a whole entire episode about this because I just need 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: to know. I have a lot of questions. And I 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: have two very very close friends in my life, Graham 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: Sibley and Maryland fo who are parents of twins. And 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: it was getting uncomfortable how much we hang out together socially, 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: and I have all these burning questions I want to 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: ask them. So I was like, let's just get them 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: on the podcast so I can get it done. So 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: welcome Marlyn and Graham. Um let me tell you, guys 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: quickly a little bit about them. Maryland is a brilliant screenwriter. 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: She wrote and co produced The Sisterhood of Night in 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: two fifteen, she won an award at the Screenplay of 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Tribeca Film Festival. Her recent feature screenplay, The Honor List, 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: was released by lions Gate. Graham is basically the greatest 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: actor I have ever known. That is true. And he 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: is in I Am a theater company with me. We 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: go back a hundred million years. His resume is incredible. 27 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: You can I AMDBM if you care. He's literally the 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: actor I wish I could be. Um. Period. They are 29 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: a power couple and now they are power parents two twins, 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Lion and kp which I love their names. I love them. Um, 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: let's get the heck into this. Um. How do we 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: know each other? Graham? Simply other than I am? And 33 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: is that how we met? Yeah? We met that thirteen 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: years ago when you're almost going to quit being an actor. 35 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: The first time I saw you was on your first 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: date with Adam. What is that true? I'm pretty sure? 37 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: Well was it you and Adam were walking in Venice? 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh no, that was like our first like 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: sleepover date. So maybe that was like the third date 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: because I keep it classy. No no judgment on a 41 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: women who go home first date, like go for it. 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: But that's not what happened with that. I think that 43 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: was the first time I'd seen you and I was like, 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: oh that I knew Adam and I was like, I 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: think that's hey, you know, and you had long hair, 46 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: and you were riding a skateboard and you remember the skateboard. 47 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: He had a skateboard when you met him. Do no, 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: I just heard this story skateboard. So enter in Maryland. 49 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Thank god, you guys. When you have like a dear, 50 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: dear bestie dude and he brings along a woman into 51 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: your life, that is exceptional. The relief is massive because 52 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: when a dear, dear bestie dude of yours brings in 53 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: not that it is really a bummer. So Maryland, you 54 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: have exceeded, gone above and yawned. It's like Bigram, go away. 55 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to hang out there. Um, how long have 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: you guys been together? Has been two years? I think 57 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: it's been more than that. I think it's been three. Well, 58 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: who knows, because you have twins, you don't You were 59 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: married last December and then we were together for I 60 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: guess a year and a half before that, right, so 61 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: almost three years. Does twins run in either of your families? 62 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: So we learned a lot through this um journey of twindom. 63 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: And identical twins don't run genetically. Wow, So it's like 64 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: a literal phenomenon. It is. Identical twins are a little 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: real phenomenal because fraternal twins is genetic and when you 66 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: hear about identical twins happening, that can be through like 67 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: if you took fertility aid or like fraternal twins would 68 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: be oh okay. So identical twins is literally like the 69 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: egg either splits between the first and the third day, 70 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: the third and the fifth day, or the fifth and 71 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: the seventh day, and there are different kinds of winds. 72 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: So we have monodi twins, which means that it's split 73 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: between the five And I think, yeah, now, I'm so 74 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: says in Maryland, because you got pregnant later in life, 75 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: which is so huge and inspiring for women out there. 76 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: You had frozen your eggs before correct and you did 77 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: not use them. Still him eyes, still paying the monthly 78 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: be to keep him onny right, and you, guys, I 79 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: met later in life, you got engaged, you were like, well, 80 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: in terms of pregnancy, we're what's known as a geriatric pregnancy, 81 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: which is a disgusting, real scientific term, and you were like, 82 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: so we should just get on this thing because we 83 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: feel like we want to be parents, and you started trying. Yeah, 84 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: And at your wedding, which I was at, is tell 85 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: the rest of the story. How does it go? Well, 86 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: we knew we were pregnant around eight weeks, but when 87 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: we first went in to see my obi, she only 88 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: saw one. So for a certain amount of time we 89 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: knew we were pregnant, but we thought we were having one. 90 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: Fast forward just a little bit of time. We're getting 91 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: ready for our wedding weekend, all of our families coming in, 92 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: and about two hours before my mom arrives, I have 93 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: another fall up appointment, where this time she sees two. 94 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: So were you there, Graham? Were you in the room 95 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: where you by yourself? So she went to go pick 96 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: because we were going to go for our honeymoon, and 97 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: so she went to go pick up a prescription for 98 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: U T. I guess when you're traveling women who are 99 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: pregnant the US or something. And so I didn't go 100 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: to this appointment because I was like, you're just gonna 101 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: pick up the prescription and whatever. And so she came 102 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: home and I was like, you know, wedding weekend, like 103 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: this is huge deal. Families all coming into town from 104 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: all over. It was like even in the morning, and 105 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: nobody knew you were pregnant. Your family didn't know, right, No, 106 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: no one knew. No one knew. And we didn't want 107 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: to ruin that surprise because we didn't want to take 108 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: the thunder away from the from the wedding. So so then, um, 109 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: now we here we are at amm Marylyn comes back 110 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: from the doctor and she goes, Graham Graab came here, 111 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: and she shows me the ultrasound picture and I'm like, oh, 112 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: that's cool, awesome, Yeah, yeah, we're pretty that's right yet, 113 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: and and then she goes, no, no, no, no, look closer. 114 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: And I looked closer and I was like, oh my gosh. 115 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: And then it was like ding dong no way. So 116 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: all weekend we kept looking at each other going were 117 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: you like your immediate reaction Maryland to twins. I I 118 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: can't even imagine the pack that the punch that packs of. 119 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: Just like I felt immense gratitude. Just I felt so 120 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: grateful because we we're actually both forty two at the time, 121 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: and like you said, I mean that's after thirty five, right, 122 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: it's like a geriatric parto over here getting pregnant with ye. 123 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: So at forty two, you were like, right, like, this 124 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: probably is going to take a long time. It might 125 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: not be easy. We might be you know, unfreezing those eggs. 126 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: We might you know, we didn't really know, and so 127 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: I think just to find out that we're having to 128 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: our nurse said something to us. She said, sometimes the 129 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:32,559 Speaker 1: flame burns brightest right before it goes out. Right. Oh, 130 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: that's incredible, that is so funny. Oh I can't okay, So, 131 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: you guys the most epic wedding of all time. So 132 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: we're so thrilled that Graham has found incredible Maryland. Were 133 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: so thrilled that you guys are together and all of 134 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: the groups of friends came together to celebrate your love. 135 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: And then what happens on the dance floor. So then 136 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: we everybody performed, including you and Adam and some of 137 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: my my closest friends, and we went last, and so 138 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: um we uh. We changed the lyrics to Adam Sandler's 139 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: the Wedding Singer Song, And throughout the whole night, there 140 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: was a monogram that was playing on behind everybody who 141 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: was performing, and um, that monogram while we were singing, 142 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: changed to the ultrasound photo, and the ultrasound photo said, uh, congratulations, 143 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: and then it went on for a little bit longer, 144 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: and then it said we are pregnant, and everyone was 145 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: like what screen and then and then it said with twins, 146 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: and it was just like I'll never forget it. It 147 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: was just like mayhem either. It was fucking insane. My 148 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: husband rushed the dance floor and started a mosh pit, 149 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: screaming twins, twins, and everybody was like jumping up and down, screaming, 150 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: holding each other, bawling, crying. I sweated through a very 151 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: thick velvet suit and it was soaked at the end 152 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: of the night because I downs it was. It was 153 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: such a beautiful moment. It's just unforgettable to be there 154 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: with you guys, all of you together, and and I 155 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: just really think like it's just really inspiring for people 156 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: out there listening, Like I just think like, at forty two, 157 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: you guys met, fell in love, got engaged, got pregnant 158 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: with twins, announced it at your wedding. You've birthed them. 159 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: They are healthy. You guys are surviving. When we got 160 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: into in the this is your lab, that's why when 161 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: you were like, how long have we been together? And 162 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know, two or three years. It's 163 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: like you've been fucking busy. It's been amazing. It's been 164 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: so we're so every day. I'm just like so grateful 165 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: for Maryland and the opportunity to raise these two boys. 166 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: So take me through your pregnancy with twins and like 167 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: teach me, like, is it so different than having Well, 168 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: I mean obviously you know too and I only know one, 169 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: but like, what did doctors tell you? Were you sick? Um? 170 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: How did you feel? So my pregnancy was pretty uneventful, 171 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: which is thank god great to hear about, right, Like, 172 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: nothing huge happened, I mean except for me getting here, 173 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: just that huge thing happened. Yes, But um, I guess 174 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: the main difference is, you know we saw we went 175 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: to see my obi probably um once a week. Okay. 176 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: So because it's high risk because of age, and high 177 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: risk because it's twins, your doctor visits are more. Yes. 178 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,479 Speaker 1: I remember Graham saying he had bought a mini fridge 179 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: next to the bed because that's how much you were consuming. 180 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: You couldn't even make it to a kitchen. You had 181 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: to literally have power bars and like yogurt drink that 182 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: I absolutely loved. Yeah, oh, you were craving yogurt drinks. Well, 183 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I was really craving it. I 184 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: just was so hungry all the time. I would at 185 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: least fill you up quickly. Yes, in the middle of 186 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: the night, I would just reach over chug that yogurt drink, 187 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: go back to bed. In the mornings, I would make 188 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: myself these elaborate breakfasts, so they might be like it 189 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: might be like a forty minute like preparation. I made 190 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: like pancakes with like protein powder in them, and then 191 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: like this hemp protein I really loved berries. Then I 192 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: would do scrambled scores kale in it, and like cheese 193 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: and veggies, and then it would just be this whole thing. 194 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: And then I would just sit down and enjoy my breakfast. 195 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: And was your plan to have a vaginal birth or 196 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: cesarean or what did people what were people telling you 197 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: was most likely going to be the case? Like what 198 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: did you want and what ended up happening? Well, I 199 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: really wanted a vaginal birth, so I read all about it, 200 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: and I, you know, listen to your podcast, and just 201 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, I was preparing for that at the same 202 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: time our specialist, because not only did we see R 203 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: O B a lot, we also saw a specialist once 204 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: every three weeks or so. And what is that specialist? 205 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: Is that a twin specialist or like a high risk specialiontologist? 206 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: What the hell is that? Basically a twin doctor or 207 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: I think they do. It's just a high risk doctor 208 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: who pregnancies that are maybe not your normal like average 209 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: one baby right right, And but yeah, and and and 210 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: he was awesome, and that whole team was awesome. And 211 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: so we would go in there. Yeah, like it was 212 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: like every two or three weeks, and so we had 213 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: a we were in the doctor's office all the time. Yeah, 214 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: so you were so what was the specialist telling you? 215 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: So pretty early on he was saying, it's very unlikely 216 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a vaginal bone and we're like, oh yeah, 217 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: what are you know? We're like, maybe something different will 218 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: happen with us, right because you hold out hope, You're 219 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: like I'm going to be you know, I mean, so 220 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: he's telling you most likely you're going to be a 221 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: C section. Well he was also this all this doctor 222 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: was also um really focused on something called twin twin syndrome. 223 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: The hell's that? Um? It's uh, it's where one of 224 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: the twins in our specific mono dye type between eight 225 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: between days three and five, identical twins, your twindom are 226 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: twindom Um. There is a possibility for one of the 227 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: children to take more of the nutrients than the other. 228 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: And so they were that's what they were literally, Arnold 229 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger and Danny Video who exactly right. So they're monitoring 230 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: the twins and how they're functioning in the womb. One 231 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: can be taking more food off in the first scenario, 232 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: they both have their own placentas, right, and then and 233 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: then they're they're in their own sacks, which would mean 234 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: they wouldn't be stealing each other's stuff, that's right, And 235 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: that there's that's the least risk. And then there's this 236 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: middle zone where they share a placenta but they're in 237 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: different sacks. And then there's the most high risk, which 238 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: is they share a placenta and they're in the same sack. 239 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: What were you guys, So we had our boys were 240 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: in different sacks, but they shared a placenta. So the 241 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: doctor was monitoring their weight gain, their progress, their development, 242 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: the neck, all of the measurements and all of that stuff. 243 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: We were so lucky. We were so lucky because every 244 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: time we went in there, um there were people who 245 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: um weren't as lucky as us, and they had just 246 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: left and you know, and and we kept going, you know, 247 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: we kept every time and it was like we were 248 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: in and out going. Everything was great. Everything was great, 249 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: and we're just like every time there was not one 250 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: visit where we got any news where we had to 251 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: be worried or something. The podcast stories, I'm so happy 252 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: to be around because it's not Yeah, it's really not 253 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: always the case. I have some friends, you know, growing 254 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: up who were twin had a twin in utero that 255 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: one didn't make it, and my friend did you know 256 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: things like that that is common. I mean, that does happen. Um, 257 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: So they start preparing you for a C section and 258 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: tell me about going into labor and all that. Were 259 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: you induced? Was it planned? Were you given a date 260 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: and a time? Yeah? So it was planned. And I 261 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: mean I think ultimately I had you know, maybe a 262 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: week or two in there where I had to just 263 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: kind of shift mentally into thinking, Okay, I thought that 264 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: I would have this experience and now I'm gonna have 265 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: a C section. But I actually felt good about it 266 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: because r O. B. She's actually a pioneer in all 267 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: kinds of like natural birth processes. And she kept saying, 268 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: just of the delivery as the introduct the portal to motherhood, 269 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: to bringing these children into the world. It's not the 270 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: whole experience. There is so much more. So don't dwell. 271 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: It's two days out of the hopefully millions are gonna 272 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: get or whatever. But so you had a planned C section, right, 273 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: So our specialist he really didn't want us to go 274 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: past how many weeks? Six weeks six? So I guess 275 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: through different studies and I think like different cases, they 276 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: know that going past thirty six weeks, there's no benefit 277 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: to our specific situation. Okay, our boys were close to 278 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: July fourth, and so they took them out, um before 279 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: the holiday. That is always how it works, guy, do 280 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: you want to know that, Like for induction, it's always 281 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: like yeah, um mine was like, it's the it's the 282 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: high holidays. So you know what I was like, got it, 283 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: got it, Like people will have lives and it's just 284 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: a thing. So they didn't make it to thirty six 285 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: they made it to thirty five and change where you scared? 286 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: How did you feel before going in? I think I 287 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: felt ready. I was like, let's get them out. I 288 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: remember you at the end, which is you know. I 289 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: always feel like that's so lucky if you're able to 290 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: get there when you're pregnant, for you to say just 291 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: let's get this. I can't do this anymore. I can't 292 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: carry this more. I can't pee anymore in the middle 293 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: of the night, I can't have reflux anymore. I want 294 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: my body back, Like, let's just get on with the show, 295 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: right right, And little did I know that would be 296 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 1: this whole journey to reclaiming my body, right, like feeling 297 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: like you're more, You're back in your body. So that's 298 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: still going on, but um, that first step of getting 299 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: that for sure, And I think I remember one night 300 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: I just couldn't sleep towards the end at all, so 301 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: I was on the couch and um, I maybe you 302 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: come up and sleep with me on the couch. One 303 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: night it was pretty close to when we knew we 304 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: were going into the hospital, and I was crying and 305 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: holding your hand and I just wanted you to sleep 306 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: with me upstairs because I felt really alone. Yeah, it 307 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: made me cry. Yeah, and she she had to sleep 308 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: sitting up for i'd say probably the last four months. 309 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: She's this weird pillow configuration where it was like it 310 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: had to be the pink pillow and the blue pillow 311 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: and then this pillow. And then if it wasn't that, 312 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: it was like something's wrong. Why you would reflux or 313 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: you were uncomfortable, too much weight on the side or something. Yeah, 314 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: exactly on my side. It was like the boys just 315 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: went to the side. Could you imagine that failing? No, 316 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: I can't. I mean it was painful for one. I cannot. 317 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: Even So you go in for a C section, it's 318 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: all status quo, I mean, nothing out of the ordinary, right, Yeah, 319 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean obviously it was the most exceptional 320 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 1: day of your life. But I'm saying as far as 321 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: like the doctors were concerned, it was like like all good, right, nothing, 322 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: no real complications, I think the I mean, one part 323 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: that was really surprising to me that I hadn't read 324 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: about or no other moms had mentioned, was that once 325 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: so they made the incision and then I could kind 326 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: of hear our nurse and our doctor talking and one 327 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: of the last things I remember is that because we've 328 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: gone on our honeymoon to Morocco, and so the nurse 329 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: was like, oh, these boys have already been on camel rides, 330 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: they'll be fine. I remember her before the moccoon right right, 331 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: But there was this sensation all of a sudden they 332 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: were talking and then all of a sudden, I felt 333 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: this incredible pressure that knocked the wind out of me 334 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: on my stomach and um. Later she explained that it 335 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: was her elbow that to get the babies out. They 336 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: tried to um mimic the feeling of the baby going 337 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: through the canal being pushed through. So instead of pulling 338 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: them out or lifting them out, which is what I 339 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: had imagined the c section was like would be like 340 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: for me, they with all the force that she had 341 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: in her body, presses down with her elbow and then 342 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: pushes the baby out. So she did that two times, 343 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: and the first time I was still kind of with it, 344 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: and I could. I remember hearing lion come out and 345 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: his cry, and I just all the joy and the 346 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: feelings with that. And then the second time, um, when 347 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: KP came out, who came out without a sound compared 348 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: to his brother who had had this kind of war cry. 349 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: Kap came out. Um, I was just so like the 350 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: second time around, it was like complete nausea and just 351 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: feeling rugs on the epidural and the weird feeling of 352 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: the pressure and the push, Like that feeling of the 353 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: second push Did it just make you want to barth exactly? Yeah, 354 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: So I think that was surprising. I didn't know that 355 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: that was part of the experience for as Arian. So 356 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: so once kp came out and wasn't crying, were you worried? 357 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: Did they? Did he cry a little bit after? How 358 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: did that go? Well? Really quickly they brought them over 359 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: to us, So I wasn't worried. Were you know, I 360 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: wasn't worried. I was like when Lyon came out, it 361 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: was a shriek. It was such a loud shriek. And 362 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: then you know, they whisked them away and clean them up, 363 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: and you know, and then I I didn't want Then 364 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: there was another one, So I was like, I didn't 365 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: know what to do. Your attention is already being split, 366 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: so it's like you welcome to being a parent of twins. 367 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: I was like, I was. I was with Maryland and 368 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: I was like I don't. I didn't want to leave Maryland, 369 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: and they kept saying, do you want to come over 370 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: and see and see Lyon and see Lyon? And I 371 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm staying here with Marylyn. The baby's 372 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: gonna be fine, you know. And so I stayed with Maryland. 373 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: And then once the second baby came out a couple 374 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: of minutes later, was it a couple of minutes between 375 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: the two three minutes later? Why is that? And why 376 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: how do they pick which one comes out first? Like? 377 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: What the hell? How does it? Lion had been head 378 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: down for a couple of weeks and hadn't moved at all, 379 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: and then Lion had been moving his position all around. Okap, right, 380 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: KP had been moving around a Lion was in the 381 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: birthing position. So had he had you done, a vaginal 382 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: birth line would have come out first. And so we 383 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: went to go to the the specialist. Um we kept, 384 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, asking like, are they in the same positions, 385 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: because we feel kicking in the same places, and yeah, 386 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: Lion would had always been ready to go the whole 387 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: the whole time, and right towards the end, then they 388 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: both they both switched. They both like went around right 389 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: and then and then they ended up landing back in 390 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: the same position, so it was weird. And then um, 391 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: and then when Lion came out, he was off getting 392 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: taken care of. And then and then KP came out 393 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: and he was off getting taken care of. And once 394 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: I felt like Marilyn was okay, I went I saw 395 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: the two babies, and they weren't. They were so cute 396 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: from from the start, like that, not only were you 397 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: guys blessed in this whole situation of like all of 398 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: this happening, thank God, healthily and safely and miraculously, but 399 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: they were cute from like the first second, like most 400 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: people's newborn babies are gremlin alien grandpa's. How did you 401 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: feel immediate connection to them? I felt immediate connection, But 402 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: then three days later I was lost. I was completely 403 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: out of my mind lost. I didn't feed My love 404 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: to my son was a very slow burn. It was 405 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: not love at first sight. How did you feel, Maryland? 406 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: I think I felt similar to that, And I might 407 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: have heard you talked about that, because well, I think 408 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: it was good because then it made me I'm glad, 409 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: It made me feel like, oh, it's gonna be okay. 410 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: If I experienced that, so I think for me, I 411 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: just like, you know, physically, there's so much pain with 412 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: the C section. So I just felt really kind of 413 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 1: inadequate in the beginning because I could barely walk. I 414 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: was leaning on Graham to go to the bathroom. And 415 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: so sexy right really it makes you feel hot. And 416 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: the diapers and the bleeding nuts and the bleeding and 417 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: the whole you're in stitches, you're in mesh panties for 418 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: a long time. Um, and then trying to nurse sometimes. Um. Yeah, 419 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: we have that big breast friend thing and they can 420 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: nurse at the same time, like in a football hold 421 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: on either side. And I first came over and met them. 422 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: That is how I saw Maryland, and I almost fell 423 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: on the floor. I walked into their beautiful living room 424 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: and she had a pillow and two babies, one on 425 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: each boob, their heads together, their feet away from each other, 426 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: one on each nipple eating. There are no words to 427 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: describe that. That is super If that's a super woman, superhero, 428 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: I mean that, what else are you looking for? That's wild? Um, 429 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: So you just did it. You just jumped boobs in first, 430 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: like you just did it. You weren't like there is 431 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: there Electation Specialists that specializes in twins. Yes, and we 432 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: had the two of us took a breastfeeding for Multiples 433 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: class before the delivery, rest Feeding for multiples at the 434 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: pump station. At the pump station, great, and what do 435 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: they tell you to do? Well, we re enacted how 436 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: it would go with dolls. I don't know was that helpful? 437 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: I it was kind of helpful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it 438 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: was all helpful. You know, I think I didn't don't 439 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: know if I remembered any of that at the time 440 00:25:53,359 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: it goes in there somewhere or not at all. When 441 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: they sent you home with the twins? Is that at 442 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: what point? Did she get super real? Ship got super 443 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: real the second that we got into our own room 444 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: at the hospital. At the hospital because for me, Maryland 445 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: couldn't get out of the bed. So the nurses came 446 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: over and we're like, okay, so here's the sheet. You 447 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: marked down their ships, you marked down their pisses, and 448 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: you marked down when they eat. And I was like, wait, 449 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: I do that I have wait, no, no, that's okay. 450 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: They what I'm sorry on boat on what the we're 451 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: looking at? So now you're like logging stuff I'm logging stuff. 452 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know what the funk I'm doing. 453 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: I'm just like, uh so. And I didn't change a diaper, 454 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: one single diaper for you for a couple weeks, maybe 455 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: two weeks or something, Graham, because everything it was a 456 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: full on boot camp for how to keep a child 457 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: alive because I'm not a child too. Of them, like 458 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: it was unbelievable, And you changed all those diapers, all 459 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: those diapers. I fed them every single meal that Maryland wasn't, 460 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, nursing, trying to nurse. And because they came 461 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: in early, they were premature. Her supply had not come in. Yeah, 462 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: I had the same thing. My milk come in like 463 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: five days, so I had to give him formula for 464 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: a while until I came in. So one I listened 465 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,959 Speaker 1: to a lot of podcasts all the way through and 466 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 1: read bunch of stuff about twin dad stuff, you know, 467 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: and and and twin stuff, and like how to be 468 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: ready for that? Is there any way to be ready? Well? 469 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: I guess I mean you were. Your Your podcast was 470 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: super helpful, I mean so helpful, And there were some 471 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: other ones that were really helpful, and some of them 472 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: were just sort of innocuous conversations that we're I don't 473 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: know whatever you know. But but um I I did 474 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: feel like at the when we were at the hospital, 475 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: it was so intense to have to take care of 476 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: both of them and not really have uh any sort 477 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: of guide guide in it. And but one thing that 478 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: that was that we didn't know at the time, and 479 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: it really caused us a lot of stress, was the 480 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: fact that the babies weren't holding down their food. Right 481 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: here is when a different kind of ship hit the fan. Yeah, 482 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: and and basically there there, stomachs can hold the amount 483 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: of a golf ball. That's what we know. Yeah and 484 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: and and so the nurses kept trying out different formulas, 485 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: trying out different things. We tried out, you know, Maryland's 486 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: breast milk, and weren't holding it down. But so they 487 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: were actually throwing up, right, they were throwing up everything. 488 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: Both both of them are yeah, yeah, lion more than KP. 489 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: But they both had like these violent throw ups. And 490 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: so after after that experience had had ended, we learned 491 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: that at the thirty fifth week of when a baby 492 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: is premature, they learned that that is the that is 493 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: the week that they have that they learned the reflux 494 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: of how to swallow, and so that was the problem. 495 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't the formula, it wasn't Marilyn's breastmas. Yes, and 496 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: they kept trying all these other things out, but then 497 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: we eventually learned that we just needed to slow the 498 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: flow down on the nipple, and then they learned over 499 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: the SubTime swallowed down. Yeah. So I think that for 500 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: other twin parents, or even if you for Singleton's, that 501 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: maybe our premature the slow flow nipple saved our life 502 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: because I had been obsessing over what bottles to get. 503 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we're gonna use glass bottles, right, 504 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: You're on Amazon buying every bottle nipple type imaginable, right. 505 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: But I mean that none of that stuff mattered. It 506 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: was really just how helping them control the flow of milk, 507 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: and that helped us so much. So ship gets real 508 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: in the hospital, they send you guys home. Did you 509 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: feel any way shape form connection or favoritism to one 510 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: or the other. That's a really good question, like immediately 511 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: are you bonded with one? Are you like Lion had 512 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: more um he had he he was struggling more with 513 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: holding his food down. So I think a lot of 514 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: our attention early on was to Lion and Um, and 515 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: that did it did cause I think some interesting conversations, 516 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: especially when we had to go back to the children's 517 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: hospital and KP was doing well and Lyon was having 518 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: different tests and having to get you know, X rayed, 519 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: and all these different things that they were doing to him. UM. 520 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's favoritism. I think it's 521 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: just more concern And I think I thought about it 522 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 1: and worried about that it might have been, but it 523 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: didn't really happen and hasn't happened because, like Graham was saying, 524 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: Lion had a couple more issues. And one of the 525 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: things too, we've been getting the Voice checked out for 526 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: is their head shape class and like the symmetry of 527 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: their faces, and Lion has a little more asymmetry. And 528 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: so at times I've wondered, is there is there going 529 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: to be something where I favored KP because their faces 530 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: look different? Think about how we are animals, and like 531 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: how you know you pick people like you who you 532 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: your eyes like to look on, and like what if 533 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: you do like the asymmetrical and this is so ridiculous, 534 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: this conversation, But I was talking like instinctually, like, well, 535 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: we named we named our children. Lion is a family 536 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: name on my side, and KP is named after Marilyn's 537 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,959 Speaker 1: dad's um. And I sometimes think about that too, thinking 538 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: like that Lion is your somehow came on that boat. 539 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: And then KP is named after your father who passed away, 540 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: who you must have such connection to, and how wonderful 541 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: that you were able to name a son in his memory, 542 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: Like yeah, already there, we're already dealing with things. Lion 543 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: was twin a and so he came out three minutes 544 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: before his brother. Because he's going to be a Sibley 545 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: and he will be the first biracial child in my 546 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: line of family. We thought that he was forging new territory. 547 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: If it's so is KP. But we had to name 548 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: one of them. Craziness. What about all the twin research 549 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: you guys have done about them wearing the same clothes, 550 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: going to the same school, Like what are we doing? 551 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: Is there a plan in place? Well? I think early 552 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: on we talked about it, and even with their names, 553 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: we wanted them to be really unique. And Graham, you 554 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: were really forging ahead with that, and you know, and 555 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad that we we decided that we weren't going 556 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: to dress them the same and more. You know, they're 557 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: already individuals. And it's interesting when you have twins, they 558 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: get a lot of attention. And I think that when 559 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: just when you're going around in life. So when we 560 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: we decided like how we were going to you know, 561 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: progress in terms of their individuality and all that stuff. 562 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: Like you know, um, I'm one of four kids, and 563 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: all of us were really nurtured in a really individual way. 564 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: We all ended up doing pretty different things. And I 565 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: think that it's probably gonna be more difficult for us 566 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: with twins. But um, in order to be I think 567 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: I think we'll just be more conscious of that as 568 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: they get older. And and we were just this week 569 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: we had a conversation in bed, going like how do 570 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: we create new unique opportunities for both of them? Like 571 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: and and I think those things I think are going 572 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: to be really important and being really conscious of that. 573 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: What about like same school, different classes is like what 574 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: you'll worry about it when you get there. And you 575 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: guys are so in it right now with baby tongue, 576 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: I can't even I did me through the twin verse 577 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: of this whole experience being a twin. I've I've met 578 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: a number of them, and I have heard multiple times 579 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: that they twins appreciate being treated individually. And a good 580 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: friend of mine, Um is a twin, and he said 581 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: that they went to separate schools. And I was like, 582 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: did you did you like that ultimately? And he was like, 583 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: I think so. I think I did appreciate that we 584 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: had different friends. We had we weren't known as twins, 585 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: but we also had this super amazing relationship. And so 586 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: Marilyn and I were talking about that this week, and 587 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I don't know what you'll 588 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: see when you get there. We can do a whole 589 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: other podcast about the choices you make, because I Am 590 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: going to get really annoying when I ask you a 591 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: million questions socially, Um, I can't believe. Like, Also, how 592 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: well you're doing. Maryland went back to work. How old 593 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: were they six sweets? Yeah, guys, is everyone hearing that 594 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: I went back? That's fucking insane. But I had the 595 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: best job in the world. So I'm a writer, so 596 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: I could just right at home. And my mom was 597 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: still living with us full time, and so she and 598 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: Graham really carved out time so that I could go 599 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: down and to the nursery, which was just now my 600 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: office is now the nursery. And and right, how about 601 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: sharing her bedroom? How do we feel about that? That's 602 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: just how it's going to be. Yeah, now did they 603 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: wake each other up? Was there? Was that just a 604 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: complete show when you were like trying to get them 605 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: to sleep, Like one cries, the other one cries all 606 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: the time. It was kind of mayhem like that. In 607 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: the first two months. I'm so glad podcasts happening because 608 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: it really like Adam's dream of having twins, like he 609 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: needs to listen to this. It sounds really, it sounds 610 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: incredible and also very difficult. The first two months were 611 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: pure hell. I mean just just certainly, let's say it 612 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: kind of it was so hard. I mean, my first 613 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: two months were pure held with one Do you guys 614 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: meet parents of one child who complain and look at 615 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: them and you're like, please shut the funk up? Maybe 616 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: a little I would I would be like, how dare 617 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: you we actually think? We actually say to ourselves were 618 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: like having one kid would be like a vacation, like 619 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: when we went on these when we went on these 620 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: on these solo adventures. Both Marilyn and they were like boring. 621 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: Boring is actually what it was. So it's like, what 622 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: are just caring for? What? I had nothing to do? 623 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: Like Marilyn was nursing. I was like check on my phone, 624 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: Like I mean, have nothing to do? Um, yeah, I 625 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: imagine like putting two in a car seat. There's always 626 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: something to do. And it also for the dad. You know, 627 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: I have felt very grateful in that I have been 628 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: a part of the parenting process from the beginning in 629 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: a much different, unexpected way than my dad or anyone 630 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: that I've known, because there's always something for me to do. 631 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: You're at the place where when people always say when 632 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: I move from one kid to two kids, it's like 633 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: you're not they're outnumbered when you have one kid, so 634 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: like one parent is always sort of chilling, But when 635 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: you are literally two on two like you are now, 636 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: there is something for always, There's always something to be done. 637 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: That's fun. Oh god, it sounds so exhausting. I've really 638 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 1: applaud you both, Like nobody's business. What would you say 639 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: would be advice you would give to expecting parents of twins? Oh? Well, 640 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if this advice. But I think that 641 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: it's just such a special, unique experience and like we 642 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: were saying, the first two months does feel like you're 643 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: just like someone came up with my version of health 644 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: and and I'm just gonna have to live it every hour, 645 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,439 Speaker 1: every day, every night with no sleep, literally none. My god, 646 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: it's so danger us. It's like, oh my god, we 647 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: shouldn't even be on the road. Like fantasies of throwing 648 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: them against the wall for sure, completely normal. It's just 649 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: very normal. I had fantasies of getting on a plane 650 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: and changing my identity and leaving everybody Like I was like, 651 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: good luck, Adam, because it sucks. It's so hard, so hard. 652 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,919 Speaker 1: But I think after pushing through that really really tough part, 653 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: every day just unfolds, and I think it's just like 654 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: a new part of beautiful unfolding. It's just really really 655 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: gratifying and just such a way to stretch yourself. I 656 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: think as a person and as a mother and as 657 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: a parent, as a father, to be the guardian of 658 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: these two human beings, it's it's just really really special. 659 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: And I think that, um, there's so many ways for 660 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: a couple to grow together when they have twins together 661 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: and then also just on your own, as you begin 662 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: to feel like, well, I can take them out together 663 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: by myself, and I can go for walks with them, 664 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: and I can you know, and you feel this sense 665 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: of independence and also what a way to pat yourself 666 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: on the back. I mean the simplest things. It's like 667 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: I can take to my two children for a walk, 668 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: Like that's like a massive accomplishment. I feel like like 669 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: that was, like that's big. So maybe it's like those 670 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 1: little things, it's like those that's huge. Graham, what about 671 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: you advice for expecting twin parents? I think if I 672 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: had advice for twin parents, any parents, really to really 673 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: be um in the moment as much as you can 674 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: with your partner, because they pick up on that stuff. Um. 675 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: And and I think that Marilyn and I we we 676 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 1: have a lot of fun. And I think that if 677 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: you really try to keep that ball in the air, 678 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: then the children and parents and twins can take care 679 00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: of their relationship too. I have got no excuses. Um, 680 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,320 Speaker 1: you guys, this is so beautiful. I could talk to 681 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: you for a hundred thousand hours. I feel very lucky 682 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: to be in your life. I feel very lucky to 683 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 1: be in your son's lives, and I feel very lucky 684 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: to ask you now to please come on Katie's Crib 685 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: in a year so we can hear about what is 686 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: happening in kap in lions life and all of the 687 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: other twin stuff you are going to teach me so 688 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: I can live vicariously through you, because that's enough for me. 689 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: Thank you all for tuning into Katie's Crib and for 690 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: your beautiful messages and reviews. I absolutely love connecting with 691 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: you and hearing your stories and questions. So email me 692 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: at Katie's Crib at Shonda land dot com. 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