WEBVTT - SYMHC Classics: Levi Strauss

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Saturday. The US Patent Office granted a patent to

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob W. Davis and Levi Strauss one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago today. That was the patent for Improvements in

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<v Speaker 1>Fastening Pocket Openings, which is generally recognized as the patent

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<v Speaker 1>for the first blue jeans. We covered Levi Strauss and

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<v Speaker 1>the development of blue jeans, along with other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>his life and career in our August eighth, twenty eighteen episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is today's Saturday Classic Enjoy Welcome to Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly Frye and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy V. Wilson. And today's episode was requested approximately one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years ago, if you go by way of hyperbole

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<v Speaker 1>by our listener other not really one hundred years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>but it feels that way. It was a very long time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have had it on my list throughout that time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am only just now getting to it. For

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<v Speaker 1>a variety of reasons. We are talking today about Levi Strauss,

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<v Speaker 1>and his story is really historically interesting because it touches

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot of important moments in US history. So

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<v Speaker 1>he was an immigrant who ended up in a business

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<v Speaker 1>that was impacted by and in turn affected the US

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<v Speaker 1>Civil War and American clothing culture. He has a story

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<v Speaker 1>that's tied to the Gold Rush. He also had a

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<v Speaker 1>vision for his adopted city of San Francisco that he

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<v Speaker 1>worked really hard to achieve so that future generations would

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<v Speaker 1>benefit from it, and his life, in many ways is

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<v Speaker 1>the story of the United States in the nineteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>from the perspective of a Jewish immigrant who became a

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<v Speaker 1>captain of industry. Before we get into his story, I

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<v Speaker 1>will make a confession, which is that until fairly recently,

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<v Speaker 1>probably five years is Shigo, I thought Levi and Strauss

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<v Speaker 1>were two different people that had been in business together.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I'm saying. So clearly I missed this in

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<v Speaker 1>history class because even though people wear Levi's and you'd

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<v Speaker 1>call it Levi Strauss, I didn't realize that was one

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<v Speaker 1>person's proper name. So I grew up in North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>not all that far away from Cone Mills, which is

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<v Speaker 1>who made the denim for Levi's five oh ones for

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred years or something, So like this is a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of history that is like I'm a little more

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<v Speaker 1>steeped in I didn't have confusion about whether Levi and

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<v Speaker 1>Strauss are two people. It's not my proudest moment. But

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<v Speaker 1>in my defense, even though I am a clothes person,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I owned a pair of jeans of

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<v Speaker 1>any flavor from about nineteen eighty five until like two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. Like that's just never been my things. So's

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<v Speaker 1>that's my excuse paltry. Though it may be that I

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<v Speaker 1>just never examined Levi Strauss. If it makes you feel better,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Hannah Barbara was one person. It was a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, that'd be funny, but no. So. Levi was

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<v Speaker 1>born Lueb Strauss on February twenty, sixth of eighteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine in Budenheim, Germany. His father, Hirsch Strauss, was a

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<v Speaker 1>salesman who sold household goods store to door. His mother's

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<v Speaker 1>name was Rebecca has Strauss, and both she and Hirsch

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Franconia. It's an area in the north

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<v Speaker 1>of modern day Bavaria, which was predominantly Jewish. Rebecca was

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<v Speaker 1>Hirsch's second wife. His first wife, matel Baumann Strauss, had

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<v Speaker 1>died at the age of thirty five, leaving him with

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<v Speaker 1>five children. Then Hirsh and Rebecca had two more children together,

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<v Speaker 1>a daughter, and then Lub and Hirsh. Rebecca and their

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<v Speaker 1>seven children lived in a three room downstairs floor of

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<v Speaker 1>a two story house. So this was a time when

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<v Speaker 1>Bavaria's Udenadict or Jew law was in effect that had

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<v Speaker 1>started in the eighteen teens. In this law seemed as

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<v Speaker 1>though it offered Jewish citizens the opportunity to pursue a

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<v Speaker 1>number of jobs that had once been forbidden to them,

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<v Speaker 1>but in return, it also created really strict regulations for

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<v Speaker 1>their lives. Among them, marriage and immigration of new Jews

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<v Speaker 1>was severely limited. All Jews had to be registered, they

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<v Speaker 1>had to take German names, they could not own land,

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<v Speaker 1>and even their language was codified so all public records

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<v Speaker 1>had to be kept in German. They could not use

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<v Speaker 1>Hebrew for those someone like Hirsch Strauss, who traveled through

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<v Speaker 1>the area selling his wares, also served as messengers and

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<v Speaker 1>as community connectors during this time, and in this profession

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<v Speaker 1>Kirsch was sort of exempted from a part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Udon edict. Working as a peddler, which had been a

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<v Speaker 1>traditional job for Jewish men in the area for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, was no longer considered an acceptable career, but

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<v Speaker 1>older people like Hirsh who weren't able to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>a new profession were allowed to keep doing it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was expected that they would just eventually die off,

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<v Speaker 1>and so would that profession, and all of the limitations

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<v Speaker 1>of the Uden edict eventually inspired emigration. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>marriage laws that really created a problem was that only

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<v Speaker 1>the eldest son of any Jewish household could get married,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there were some workarounds like if another son

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<v Speaker 1>that was younger wanted to marry a widow, that was acceptable,

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<v Speaker 1>or if a couple that had no children wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>give up the slot, their eldest son would have had

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<v Speaker 1>to another family so they could have two sons Mary

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<v Speaker 1>they could, but basically this really limited the entire societal

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<v Speaker 1>culture because all of these young women could not get married,

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<v Speaker 1>all of these young men could not get married. It

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<v Speaker 1>was frustrating. So eventually they wanted to leave, and in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirty seven there was a group of eighteen people

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<v Speaker 1>that left. Eighteen young people and two of Lub's older

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<v Speaker 1>siblings were part of that. They left Germany to make

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<v Speaker 1>homes in London and New York. In nineteen forty and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty one. Two more of the Strass children followed suit.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen forty six, Hirsh died of tuberculosis. Rebecca remarried

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<v Speaker 1>soon after to Hersh's brother, who was a widower named Lippmann,

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<v Speaker 1>but Lippmann died just a few weeks after the wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>Loub was seventeen at that time and two of his

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<v Speaker 1>sisters were still living at home, and emigration at this

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<v Speaker 1>point was not easy. You couldn't just pick up and leave.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bavarian government had to approve anyone who wished to

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<v Speaker 1>leave the country, and you had to prove that neither

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<v Speaker 1>you nor anyone in your family had any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>criminal record, and that you could afford to make the trip.

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<v Speaker 1>On March seventeenth, eighteen forty seven, Rebecca Strauss filed an

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<v Speaker 1>emigration petition in which she stated that because she was

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<v Speaker 1>a widow, she didn't have the financial support anymore. She

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know how she would provide for her youngest son,

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<v Speaker 1>but she had children in the United States who could

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<v Speaker 1>help her get settled there. Lib was old enough to

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<v Speaker 1>work and contribute to the family's finances once they arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>and for his part, Loub wrote his own petition, stating quote,

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<v Speaker 1>no members of my family will stay behind. I will

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<v Speaker 1>share the faith that has been assigned to me with

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<v Speaker 1>them in foreign lands. I thus joined my mother in

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<v Speaker 1>her place Poe. On June twenty sixth, eighteen forty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Rebecca and her children, so Lub and his two sisters

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<v Speaker 1>were approved for immigration, but they didn't leave immediately because

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<v Speaker 1>Rebecca needed to make sure that the family that had

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<v Speaker 1>gone on to New York had indeed made preparations for

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<v Speaker 1>the three of them to arrive and live there. They

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<v Speaker 1>finally made their way in the spring of eighteen forty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>although the specifics of their transatlantic passage aren't really documented

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<v Speaker 1>or known. Jonas and Louis Strauss, Libb's brothers, had both

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<v Speaker 1>become dry goods merchants in the city. They'd opened up

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<v Speaker 1>a shop at three ninety three and a half Grand Street,

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<v Speaker 1>but by the time the family arrived, they had moved

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<v Speaker 1>to a more lucrative location at two three and a

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<v Speaker 1>half Division Street. They lived above the shop. Jonas had

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<v Speaker 1>also gotten married and started his own family, and at

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<v Speaker 1>some point Lub followed the example that his siblings had,

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<v Speaker 1>and he changed his name to a more americanized version.

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<v Speaker 1>This was not uncommon, and in the eighteen fifty census

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<v Speaker 1>he is listed as Levi with a Y. He also

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<v Speaker 1>started working in the family dry goods business. While he

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<v Speaker 1>was there, he learned English really quickly so that he

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<v Speaker 1>could speak with business partners and customers, and he applied

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<v Speaker 1>for US citizenship, just as his brothers had done before him.

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<v Speaker 1>The Strauss's dry goods business was doing really well. They

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<v Speaker 1>moved to another new location near Union Market in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one, and as their family business was growing, a

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<v Speaker 1>new opportunity was making itself a parent across the country,

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<v Speaker 1>as the California Gold Rush fostered new towns, new prosperity,

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<v Speaker 1>and a need for dry goods. The Strauss brothers did

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<v Speaker 1>not want to miss a chance to capitalize on this

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<v Speaker 1>new market, but they also needed to keep their established

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<v Speaker 1>New York business going, and so the youngest brother of

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<v Speaker 1>the family was sent west. Five days after he took

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<v Speaker 1>his oath of citizenship. On January thirty first, eighteen fifty three,

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<v Speaker 1>Loeb Strauss, who was now going by Levi, left New

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<v Speaker 1>York for San Francisco aboard the US mailship Georgia, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a steamer, and the family had already loaded a

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<v Speaker 1>shipment of merchandise aboard another ship called the Winged Racer

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<v Speaker 1>for Levi to take possession of once he reached San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>The clipper Winged Racer was sailing down around the tip

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<v Speaker 1>of South America and then north to California. Levi would

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<v Speaker 1>make the trip in less time, traveling through Panama. This was,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, before the Panama Canal was built, so he

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<v Speaker 1>took the steamer Georgia to Panama and then traveled across

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<v Speaker 1>that thin strip of the country to Panama City on

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific side. They got on another steamer there called

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<v Speaker 1>the Isthmus and that was bound for San Francisco. He

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<v Speaker 1>arrived in San Francisco on March thirteenth, eighteen fifty three.

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<v Speaker 1>This was considered for a lot of people a safer

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<v Speaker 1>plan than trying to travel overland from New York to

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco, because people often did not survive that journey,

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<v Speaker 1>or if they did get to California, they got there

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<v Speaker 1>in pretty sorry shape. This was a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>an easier move, and the specifics of Levi's first days

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<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco are also unknown. He would have needed

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<v Speaker 1>to rent warehouse space for the goods that were coming

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<v Speaker 1>in on the winged racer, and he would have needed

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<v Speaker 1>to find lodgings for himself. He most likely had some

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<v Speaker 1>letters of introduction to family connections that had already made

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<v Speaker 1>that journey west, so it wasn't as though he just

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<v Speaker 1>showed up and had to figure everything out by himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He had some security net in place that merchandise that

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<v Speaker 1>had been shipped showed up two weeks after leap I

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<v Speaker 1>did on March thirtieth. Unlike other merchants who had some

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<v Speaker 1>bid on merchandise that was shipped on Speck, once it

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<v Speaker 1>got to the port at San Francisco, Levi knew what

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<v Speaker 1>was coming. He just had to inspect it, accept it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then move it into the warehouse. As he got

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<v Speaker 1>to know the market in California, he could ensure that

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<v Speaker 1>future shipments contained items that would be the most likely

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<v Speaker 1>to move and to make the most money. And for clarity,

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<v Speaker 1>the Strausses were not opening a retail shop in San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they had sort of a similar one in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. They were basically setting up a wholesale business

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<v Speaker 1>that would sell stock to other merchants for their shops.

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<v Speaker 1>So Levi had to invest time in developing really good

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<v Speaker 1>relationships with other businessmen in the area, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four at this point. He wasn't supporting a wife

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<v Speaker 1>or family, so aside from attending synagogue and participating in

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<v Speaker 1>social events primarily within San Francisco's Jewish community, all of

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<v Speaker 1>his efforts could be focused on establishing the family's new

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<v Speaker 1>West Coast firm. And he wasn't only working with retailers

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<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco either. He also traveled inland to Sacramento,

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<v Speaker 1>and he paid visits to smaller mining towns to make

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<v Speaker 1>deals with the shopkeepers there. And this was an ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>practice for the business that he pretty much carried out forever.

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<v Speaker 1>So when news broke of new or strikes or a

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<v Speaker 1>new town popping up, Strauss was smart enough to go

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<v Speaker 1>get into those towns that sprouted up in those places

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<v Speaker 1>really quickly and forge those new business partnerships. Coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk more about how Levi Strauss set up the

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<v Speaker 1>Strauss family business in San Francisco, but first we will

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<v Speaker 1>take a little break for a word from a sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>So Levi quickly established a list of regular clientele and

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<v Speaker 1>even as he had received shipment of that first load

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<v Speaker 1>of freight that his brothers had sent. There were already

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<v Speaker 1>two other shipments on the way. He was doing business

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<v Speaker 1>ostensibly for the company that his brother founded, which was

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<v Speaker 1>Jay straussan brother, but he was invoicing clients sort of

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<v Speaker 1>as a separate business as just Levi Strauss. In July

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty five, Levi sent a shipment of gold back

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<v Speaker 1>to his brothers. This was valued at a little over

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars at the time, which is estimated to

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<v Speaker 1>be close to a quarter of a million dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>modern currency. Of course, it's really difficult to make those estimates. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>the California office was doing really well. In spite of

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that there was something a financial panic going

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<v Speaker 1>on in San Francisco that year, it didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 1>impact Strauss. By the end of eighteen fifty five, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>sent more than eighty two thousand dollars home in gold. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that really made his business. It'll

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<v Speaker 1>come up over and over that even when they are difficulties,

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<v Speaker 1>they still managed to pull through and even do pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>Like people will always need dry goods, they always need clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>and linens and household basics, so it was a really

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<v Speaker 1>smart business to be in the first place. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six saw continued expansion of the Strauss enterprise in California.

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<v Speaker 1>Levi's sister, Fogela, who had changed her name to Fanny

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<v Speaker 1>when she moved to the United States, moved to San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco with her husband, David Stearns, and their children to

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<v Speaker 1>assist with the growing responsibilities of the business, and his

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<v Speaker 1>brother Lewis also joined them. It is possible, though unconfirmed,

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<v Speaker 1>that his mother, Rebecca, made the journey as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time since moving to the US, Levi

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<v Speaker 1>actually had a home with an address that was separate

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<v Speaker 1>from his business, not living above it or within it,

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<v Speaker 1>indicating that there was this ongoing trend of prosperity. The

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<v Speaker 1>firm also changed names that year from Jay Strauss and

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<v Speaker 1>Brother to Jay Strauss, Brother and Company, maybe to acknowledge

0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Levi's contribution, but on all records in California it was

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<v Speaker 1>listed as Levi Strauss. Levi sent more than double the

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<v Speaker 1>amount to New York in eighteen fifty six that he

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<v Speaker 1>had in eighteen fifty five. That amounted to approximately two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars. Eventually, in the late eighteen sixties, Levi

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<v Speaker 1>changed the name of the California branch to Levi Strauss

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<v Speaker 1>and Company, recognizing his family member's contributions. Eighteen fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>was also the year that Levi Strauss became involved, along

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<v Speaker 1>with his brother in law, in the Committee of Vigilance,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a vigilante group made up largely of merchants

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<v Speaker 1>that formed a combat the city's growing political corruption and

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<v Speaker 1>related violence. While business and politics had largely stayed separate

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<v Speaker 1>up to that point, concerns over how businesses could be

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<v Speaker 1>impacted by the lawlessness of men in power led to

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<v Speaker 1>the Committee of Vigilance nominating and eventually electing many of

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<v Speaker 1>the city the business leaders into political office. So they

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<v Speaker 1>picked people that they knew from other merchants and put

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<v Speaker 1>them in office because they thought that was safer. And

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<v Speaker 1>while Strauss did not seem to have any political ambitions

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<v Speaker 1>of his own, he did back the political efforts of

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<v Speaker 1>the Committee. Those committees, there were several of them and

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<v Speaker 1>several places at this time period, and in some places

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<v Speaker 1>their activities were kind of controversial because there was like

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<v Speaker 1>an extra judicial violence capacity in this combat of corruption.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like there's a whole bigger story there. But

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<v Speaker 1>his involvement was really about electing businessmen to city positions,

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<v Speaker 1>and there had actually been a similar committee in San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco several years prior to this that was much more

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<v Speaker 1>of like a vigilanti law force that thought that they

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<v Speaker 1>would fill the gap between the crime that was going

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<v Speaker 1>on and the police that were obviously to their minds,

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<v Speaker 1>not doing anything about it. So that existed in San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco as well, although he was not part of that

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. In eighteen fifty seven, the Strauss family

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<v Speaker 1>experienced a financial loss. In September, the SS Central America,

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<v Speaker 1>which had picked up passengers and freight in Panama, including

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<v Speaker 1>a large shipment of gold, went down in a hurricane

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<v Speaker 1>off the US coast in the Atlantic. More than four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred people died and an estimated one point five million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars of gold was lost, including seventy six thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>that was en route to J. Strauss brother and Company

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<v Speaker 1>from Levi Strauss and Company. Incidentally, the wreckage of the

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<v Speaker 1>Central America was found and much of the treasure recovered

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty eight, although there was a significant legal

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<v Speaker 1>battle over who should get that gold. The sinking of

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<v Speaker 1>the Central America set off a financial panic. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of gold that New York banks had been

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<v Speaker 1>expecting on that ship, so when it didn't show up

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<v Speaker 1>that was it was a significant economic disruption. And yet,

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<v Speaker 1>as seems to be the pattern of his life, Levi

0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Strauss weathered this storm. Part of this was because his

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<v Speaker 1>brothers were the ones shipping him goods, so that meant

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have to reassure a supplier of his good

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<v Speaker 1>credit and be like, no, no, I know, I lost

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<v Speaker 1>some money, but I will make it up to you.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, yeah, we'll just keep it going. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Strauss family continued business as usual, and because other

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<v Speaker 1>entrepreneurs didn't have the credit or the leverage to do

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing, Levi's business flourished as others shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of the year, he was shipping gold

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<v Speaker 1>to New York once again, and he had expanded to

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<v Speaker 1>have offices in the city that were actually separate from

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<v Speaker 1>his warehouse. He was also taking shipments of raw materials

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<v Speaker 1>from suppliers outside the family, which he then leveraged in

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<v Speaker 1>deals that got him discounts on the goods that were

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<v Speaker 1>made from those raw materials. As the country found itself

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<v Speaker 1>in the grip of the Civil War, San Francisco's citizens

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<v Speaker 1>realized they could eventually be impacted by it. California had

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<v Speaker 1>entered the Union as a free state, as outlined in

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<v Speaker 1>the Compromise of eighteen fifty, but while most of the

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<v Speaker 1>city was loyal to the Union, there were some concerns

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<v Speaker 1>about some government officials wanting to ally with the Confederacy.

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<v Speaker 1>After a pro Union rally in the city on May eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty one, at the junction of Montgomery Market and

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<v Speaker 1>Post Streets, a resolution was put forth that formed a

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<v Speaker 1>Union Committee of thirty four. This is a committee of

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<v Speaker 1>respected men who would uphold the ideals of the Union,

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<v Speaker 1>fill vacant government posts, and keep an eye out for treason.

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<v Speaker 1>Levi Strauss is one of the men named as a

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<v Speaker 1>member of this group, and one of only three Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>men included. Yeah, they were very worried that there were

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<v Speaker 1>people that were infiltrating California who were pro slavery, and

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<v Speaker 1>that it was going to completely cause an upheaval of

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<v Speaker 1>everything going on in the state, and particularly in a

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<v Speaker 1>large city like San Francisco. So they really wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>try to keep an eye out and prevent such a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the troops that were stationed at the Presidio

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<v Speaker 1>were sent east to fight, it really left the people

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<v Speaker 1>of San Francisco a little bit uneasy and they were

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<v Speaker 1>fearful without protection. An a volunteer group known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Home Guard was founded that consisted of three thousand men,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sort of served as a makeshift military force.

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<v Speaker 1>The Home Guard and the Union Committee of thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>actually disbanded though, when Leland Stanford was elected California governor.

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<v Speaker 1>Stanford was a pro Union Republican who was very well respected, successful,

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<v Speaker 1>and powerful, so the concerns of some sort of pro

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<v Speaker 1>Confederacy uprising that had led to the formation of those

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<v Speaker 1>two groups were pretty diminished under his leadership. Strauss and

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<v Speaker 1>his California business continued to do well through all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and the prosperity of California's merchants helped keep the country

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<v Speaker 1>afloat through the Civil War. Strauss had recognized the value

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<v Speaker 1>of real estate fairly early on and had invested in

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<v Speaker 1>a number of properties throughout the city, which he often

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<v Speaker 1>sold as a prophet after holding them for some time.

0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Levi Strauss and Company also moved into a new space

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<v Speaker 1>that he purchased in eighteen sixty seven, so was a

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<v Speaker 1>four story building on Battery Stree that clearly showed the

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<v Speaker 1>company's success. The company was known for its excellent and

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<v Speaker 1>speedy service and the ability of its employees to satisfy

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<v Speaker 1>client needs with even the largest orders. Yeah, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a write up where they actually used the word empowered

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<v Speaker 1>to describe the salespeople and clerks at Levi Strauss as

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<v Speaker 1>being able, like they were empowered to meet the needs

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<v Speaker 1>and agree to deals with clients, which is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a weird word to be using in the eighteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>but there it was. Unfortunately, the late eighteen sixties also

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<v Speaker 1>came with family loss, as Levi's half sister Mary died

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty six and his mother, Rebecca passed three

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<v Speaker 1>years later. After Rebecca's death, Levi traveled back to New

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<v Speaker 1>York and he stayed there for a month, presumably to

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<v Speaker 1>help settle accounts and get her affairs in order. There

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<v Speaker 1>was also an embezzlement scandal at Levi, Strauss and Company

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<v Speaker 1>in October of eighteen sixty six, when news broke that

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<v Speaker 1>a bookkeeper had taken five hundred thousand dollars and left

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<v Speaker 1>the country. While the company, not wanting to scare away

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<v Speaker 1>business partners, said that there was no money missing, it

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<v Speaker 1>also made a statement in an advertisement that the man

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<v Speaker 1>in question, G. S. Goodman, was no longer with the

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.800
<v Speaker 1>company it was not authorized to conduct business on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of Levi Strauss and Company. This mix of messages seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to blow over. While mister Goodman never saw any retribution

0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.760
<v Speaker 1>of the fact that he had taken money from his employer,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a lot of money from his employer, neither the

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<v Speaker 1>company nor Levi Strauss personally seemed to suffer any negative

0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.720
<v Speaker 1>fallout from it. Either. Yeah, that's one of those stories

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like they completely claimed that it had not happened,

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<v Speaker 1>so there is no record of it happening. But then

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they're also like, but also if you

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<v Speaker 1>talk to that guy, he doesn't work for us anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it does seem like it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a weird combination of things to put out in

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<v Speaker 1>the press. The company continued explosive growth right into the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventies, as Levi, who obviously had an impressive business instinct,

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<v Speaker 1>realized that he needed to expand into international markets. At

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<v Speaker 1>that point, his business had expanded to supply merchants all

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<v Speaker 1>along the Western Seaboard and into Oregon and Montana, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was also expanding farther into the American Southwest, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he started to reach out to potential clients in Canada, Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>and Hawaii. Coming up, we're going to dive into the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that the Levi Strauss name is most closely associated

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<v Speaker 1>with today, which is blue jeans. First, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a quick sponsor break. Jacob Davis, who presumably started

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<v Speaker 1>out his yakub and americanized his name when he got here,

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<v Speaker 1>was also a Jewish immigrant, and he had moved to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States from Russia as a young man. He,

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<v Speaker 1>like Levi, also worked in dry goods as a cutter

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<v Speaker 1>and a tailor, although he had also dabbled in the

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<v Speaker 1>brewery business and some other enterprises. He was also an inventor.

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<v Speaker 1>He had developed a screw based clothing fastener, an ironing

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<v Speaker 1>board that could also stretch clothes, and a folding press,

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<v Speaker 1>and those last two items were granted patents, but that

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.880
<v Speaker 1>fastener was not. Jacob had also expanded his tailoring work

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<v Speaker 1>to make tents and wagon covers. To capitalize on a

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.560
<v Speaker 1>need for those kinds of goods and mining towns in Nevada,

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<v Speaker 1>where he lived, he started making very sturdy, long lasting

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<v Speaker 1>trousers for laborers out of duck and denim. Duck is

0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:33.959
<v Speaker 1>like a very densely woven cloth, and he eventually, on

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth suggestion of a relative, started buying his duck

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<v Speaker 1>yardage from Levi Straussing Company. Yeah, duck is usually compared

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<v Speaker 1>to like a very densely woven canvas. Almost. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things that people still make work clothes out of.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I don't love it. It's a little stiff for

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<v Speaker 1>my taste. It's very sturdy. It will last you a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. And to please one of his hailering customers

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<v Speaker 1>who came in to order work pants for her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>who apparently wore through them at a pretty good clip,

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Davis used rivets to reinforce the pockets. The story goes

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.679
<v Speaker 1>that the wife came in because she said, my husband

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<v Speaker 1>has worn out all his pants and cannot leave the house.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to come at place's order. So she had

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<v Speaker 1>to go back with a piece of string and mark

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<v Speaker 1>like his waistline and other measurements and then bring it

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<v Speaker 1>back to the shop and she was delighted. It appeared

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.240
<v Speaker 1>her husband was delighted. Jacob later saw her husband around

0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 1>town wearing these pants, so it seemed like everything was

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<v Speaker 1>going great. And he included that detail those riveted pockets

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<v Speaker 1>on a number of other pairs of pants because people

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<v Speaker 1>started to see these pants in town and asked where

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<v Speaker 1>they came from and could they also get the same ones,

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<v Speaker 1>And so he started making these pants with duck canvas

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<v Speaker 1>and riveted pockets for more and more people. As the

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>riveted pants pocket became popular with his customers, Davis decided

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:56.360
<v Speaker 1>he should patent them, but that was a really expensive process,

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<v Speaker 1>and the story goes that his wife didn't want him

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<v Speaker 1>to spend money that they didn't have trying to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So along with a payment on an invoice that he

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<v Speaker 1>sent to Levi strauss In company, he also sent two

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:10.919
<v Speaker 1>pairs of pants with the proposition that the company apply

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<v Speaker 1>for the patent in his name and in return, he

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<v Speaker 1>would give the company half the rights to sell the pants.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like the most trusting move I can possibly

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<v Speaker 1>imagine someone doing. I know, here's this thing I invented.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like you to help me patent. By the way,

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not patented yet, but here it is. Yeah, especially

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>having been working on this day in history class and

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 1>recently recording episodes on people like Filo Farnsworth and Nikola Tesla,

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Like there are so many stories about a big business

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.919
<v Speaker 1>that's like, I'm gonna take this patent from you for

0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 1>no money and exploit it. Yay. In a lecture that

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I was watching online of a Levi Strauss biographer whose

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 1>book I used for a lot of this, she was saying, like,

0:25:55.920 --> 0:26:00.439
<v Speaker 1>to her, this really indicates how trustworthy Levi Straus was

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 1>perceived to be by people that just knew his name,

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Like he just had this reputation for being a really

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.959
<v Speaker 1>honest and good man, and so this person completely trusted

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 1>him with his invention. And there it went, and Strauss

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 1>was no fool. He went for the idea really quickly.

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 1>He wrote up an agreement that gave the company Levi

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Strauss and Company exclusive rights to sell the pants on

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.679
<v Speaker 1>the West coast, and that quote rights outside of the

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Pacific Coast and territory shall be equally divided between ourselves

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 1>and Davis. Davis agreed to these terms and made it

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 1>very clear that this was not just about the rivets,

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:40.479
<v Speaker 1>it was also about the cut and construction. He offered

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.200
<v Speaker 1>to oversee the manufacture of the pants, either in New

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>York or in San Francisco, whichever Strauss preferred, and the

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 1>first patent application filed on behalf of Davis, was rejected

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 1>on the basis that the military had been using rivets

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.920
<v Speaker 1>in the construction of shoes already, and so that just

0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>using them on pockets was really not an innovation. Strauss

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>did not accept this. He hired lawyers who specialized in

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>patent law to appeal the case, but it was once

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:11.439
<v Speaker 1>again rejected. In early eighteen seventy three, Strauss and Davis

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:15.360
<v Speaker 1>were preparing another go at a patent for these riveted pants.

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Davis and his family moved to San Francisco in May.

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>A revised version of their application was submitted, this time

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 1>with more detail about the distinction between the riveting that

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 1>they were using on clothes and the way that rivets

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 1>had been used on shoes. Just a few weeks later,

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.439
<v Speaker 1>on May twenty at of eighteen seventy three, the patent

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 1>was issued. Strauss paid Davis for the value of his

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 1>home and store in Reno Nevada, and the Davises made

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 1>their move to San Francisco permanent so that Jacob could

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>oversee production of this new line of riveted trousers. Strauss

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 1>later sold this back to Davis for a dollar and

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:55.960
<v Speaker 1>he flipped it. Yeah, it was a couple of years

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>later that Davis bought back his house and shop in Reno,

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.640
<v Speaker 1>and I think it was only like three months after

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 1>that that he sold it. And at the time, they

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>marketed these new pants as overalls, and that word did

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:11.160
<v Speaker 1>not have the connotation of bib overalls that it would

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 1>have today. They were sometimes called waste overalls, like basically

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 1>part of that was because you could wear them over

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>other pants, but people wore them without pants underneath it

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 1>as well. The first batches went out in June of

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy three, so that was just a month after

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>the patent was approved. At nineteen fifty per dozen pairs,

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.360
<v Speaker 1>so nineteen dollars and fifty cents for a dozen of them.

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>This was a substantial increase over previous market prices for

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>similar garments, more than a dollar more than individual purchasers

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>were used to seeing. So for a merchant that was

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the middleman to have to pay that much per pant

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.959
<v Speaker 1>was significant. They really had to explain, No, these are

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>going to last you so long. They are way stronger

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and better than other pants. Strauss opened up a new

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>factory location so they could start more serious production. The

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>following month, they placed an ad for first class female

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>sewing machine operators. These operators had to bring their own

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>sewing machines that were suitable for heavy work. Yeah he

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Even in the advertisement they laid out which sewing machine

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.479
<v Speaker 1>models would be acceptable and if you didn't have one

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>of those, don't apply for the job. Soon Levi Straussing

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Company also started selling riveted duck coats for hunting, and

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 1>by the end of eighteen seventy three they had sold

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>an estimated twenty thousand garments. The pants that they were

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>making at the beginning bore pretty much all the characteristics

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 1>we see on Levi's today, although they have shifted in

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>style a little bit, so they had copper rivets, they

0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>had that mustard orange thread for stitching, and the curvy,

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>shallow V stitching on the back pocket. The year after

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Levi and Jacob's riveted overalls hit the market, Levi was

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>named by The New York Times as one of San

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Francisco's millionaires. He had also set up the company, which

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>was basically functioning on its own, a separate entity from

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Jay Strauss's brother and company. It's a co partnership with

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>his brothers so that they would have power of attorney

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>and be able to make decisions about the business in

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>the event that he was not able to. Yeah, he

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of realized this has grown massive, and I can't

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 1>be the only one who makes decisions if something goes awry.

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 1>And that same year, Levi Strauss also sued a competitor

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>who started using rivets in the construction of their pants.

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>That other manufacturer, ab lfeldt In Company, pulled all the

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>product that they had made from shelves once that suit

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>was filed, but Strauss continued the legal action anyway in

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>order to deter others from infringing on the patent. Just

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years later, Levi Strauss and his brothers

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>set up an East Coast factory under Jacob Davis's supervision

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>to make riveted goods, But in late eighteen seventy six,

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>another manufacturer, HW King and Company started making riveted goods

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 1>as well. Levi Strauss saw his company's numbers drop, even

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>as they brought an infringement suit against this other company.

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 1>After a four year legal battle, the case was decided

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>in favor of Levi Strauss and Company. Yeah, that's a

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>long time for that to drag out, but they were like, nope,

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>we're going to do it eventually. They did start as

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>their patents did not last forever, and they started realizing

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 1>that they had to do branding so that their genes

0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 1>were completely recognizable from others and people could ask for

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>them by look. That's how they developed their logo. They

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of knew they couldn't stave off other people using

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 1>rivets forever, so they've got very savvy about how they

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>presented their clothes. There were also two more deaths in

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the Strauss family in eighteen seventy four. Levi's brother in

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>law and senior partner, David Stern, died in January and

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>in August. One of David's sons, who was just eighteen,

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>died for reasons that have been lost to the historical record.

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 1>And even as there were losses, the family also continued

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>to grow through marriage and children, and it reached a

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 1>point where fourteen people were all living in Strauss's including himself,

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>so they moved to a larger home on Leavenworth Street.

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>In the eighteen seventies, Chinese immigrants in California were being

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 1>viewed with increasing hostility as they competed for jobs with

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>white laborers in the same market with fewer and fewer opportunities.

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>In eighteen seventy six, Strauss was named in an expose

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>that appeared in the Daily Morning Call. The claim was

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>that Strauss was employing five hundred Chinese workers. A rebuttal

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle the following day, saying

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>that the company employed exactly one Chinese person and that

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>that person was in a position that white laborers had

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>quote again and again tried and failed to do. That

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>position was cutting the dense fabrics that were used to

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.959
<v Speaker 1>make these overalls. Generally, Levi Strauss and Company, like a

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of manufacturers at the time, really stressed in their

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>advertising that their goods were made by white labor. Yeah,

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>this was a whole problematic thing. To talk about it

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>a little more in a moment, But we have talked

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>before also on the show about the racism that became rampant,

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>particularly on the West coast of the United States during

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>this time towards Asian immigrants, and he continued to do

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>business with Chinese merchants. He did not seem to have

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>an aversion to them at all or be racist towards

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>them in terms of business partnerships. But he kind of

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>knew that if he was like, yes, I hired Chinese labors,

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>that it would tank the company because people would not

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>trust him anymore. So he was complicit in this whole system.

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't seem to reflect like a personal outward racism, right,

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I know. And in eighteen eighty he worked on the

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>committee that arranged the San Francisco visit of President Rutherford B. Hayes.

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>This was kind of funny because it was reported that

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 1>mister and missus Levi Strauss attended a dinner in the

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 1>President's honor, But Levi never got married, so it is

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 1>unclear if he had taken a female relative to this

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>event or an acquaintance, or if the paper simply got

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the facts wrong. In January of eighteen eighty one, the

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>San Francisco Bulletin published the details of Levi Strauss's funeral.

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>There's one problem, he was very much alive at this point. Initially,

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>this sounds like a really funny mix up, but it

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>was actually a really sad moment. Levi's brother Lewis had

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>been the one who had died, and the paper had

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to publish a correction the next day. Three years later,

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.879
<v Speaker 1>the Strauss's sister, Fanny, who had been very close to Levi,

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 1>also died, and the oldest sibling and founder of the

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 1>family business, Jonah Strauss, died in eighteen eighty five. Like Levi,

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 1>his siblings had also been really involved in philanthropic work. Yeah,

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about his philanthropy in just a moment,

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 1>but all of their obituaries talk about all of the

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>places that they donated both money and time, all of

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 1>the causes they supported. It definitely was a family affair

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like wanting a better community and a

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.840
<v Speaker 1>better future for the children that would come after. Another

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 1>devastating loss came in eighteen ninety three when Levi's nephew Nathan,

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>who had been running the New York offices for the firm,

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>shot himself in his office bathroom, and while it eventually

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>came out that he had lost a good bit of money,

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>it was never discovered exactly how that had happened. There

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 1>were certainly lots of rumors about how it might have happened,

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 1>but there is no clear evidence as to actually what

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>had led him to that moment. In nineteen hundred, Levi

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Strauss and Company printed its first catalog. The business seemed

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>to have no limit to its potential. At this point.

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>He weathered a labor strike that took place throughout the

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 1>city that year. In nineteen oh two, he also joined

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 1>with other community leaders to speak out against making the

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 1>provisions of the eighteen ninety two Geary Act permanent. The

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Geary Act had extended the provisions of the eighteen eighty

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:54.800
<v Speaker 1>two Chinese Exclusion Act, and we've talked about the Chinese

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Exclusion Act on the show. Before the telegram that was

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 1>sent by Strauss and his colleagues to Washington, d C.

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Stated that barring legitimate Chinese merchants was an injustice. This

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:10.719
<v Speaker 1>plea did not have the desired effect, though the extension

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>of the Geary Act came through. Yeah, and there's discussion

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 1>of just how much this was like an activist moment

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 1>versus your stupid to turn away business that's going to

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 1>help our country and particularly our community grow. But he

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 1>did speak out against it, even though that did not

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 1>play out the way they had hoped. In September of

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh two, Levi Strauss was diagnosed after feeling a

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>little unwell for a bit with a slight congestion of

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:38.839
<v Speaker 1>the liver, and it was believed that he was going

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 1>to recover, and he did start to feel better, and

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 1>two days after a doctor had visited and given him

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>this diagnosis, Levi Strauss died after eating dinner with his

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>family and then returning to bed. He was interred at

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:54.439
<v Speaker 1>the family mausoleum at the Home of Peace Cemetery after

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>a funeral at his home, and his four surviving nephews

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:01.800
<v Speaker 1>inherited the business and his fortune. His nieces each received

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 1>a significant sum to be given directly to them and

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:08.320
<v Speaker 1>not to their spouses or other male relatives for management.

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 1>That was something that one of his brothers had done

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 1>as well. And he also left money to all of

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the various charities that he had worked with over the years.

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 1>So I will tell you, and if you have listened

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to this podcast for any period of time, you can

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>understand why that as I researched this episode, I kept

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 1>waiting for the other shoe to drop because we have

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>so many instances of really interesting seeming people that then

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 1>in the course of actually digging into their biography we

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 1>find out some horrifying thing that they did or were

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:40.399
<v Speaker 1>a part of. Here's the secret evil. I didn't think

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I was signing up for with this, right right, Oh,

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought this was like, no, they're horrible. And while

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.839
<v Speaker 1>Levi Strauss was certainly a shrewd businessman who did look

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 1>after the interests of his company, he also seems to

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 1>have been a genuinely nice and pretty good human being,

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 1>surely not faultless. But I kept expecting some horrific thing

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 1>to appear and it didn't. Yeah, We've got plenty of

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 1>things that, like we said, were problematic, like being like, oh, no,

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:14.280
<v Speaker 1>we only employ white people. That, yeah, that's not great.

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<v Speaker 1>But also it was not a case of like, let

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<v Speaker 1>me literally enslave people in the basement, which seems like

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<v Speaker 1>that's more often than not the story we accidentally wind

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<v Speaker 1>up telling. And his prosperity, Levi Strauss upheld the Jewish

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:36.840
<v Speaker 1>ideology of benevolence. He donated money to worthy causes in

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<v Speaker 1>the San Francisco community, both those run by various iterations

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<v Speaker 1>of Jewish benevolent associations and non Jewish charities as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he actually started donating money almost as soon as he

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<v Speaker 1>started making money after he moved to California. It seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to have been just something that was deeply important to him.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the eighteen sixties he donated to the US

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<v Speaker 1>Sanitary Commission to help clean up Union camps to minim

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<v Speaker 1>the rampant disease there. He advocated for and participated in

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<v Speaker 1>a shutdown of businesses in San Francisco on election day

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<v Speaker 1>on November eighth, eighteen sixty four. That was the election

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<v Speaker 1>that Lincoln won for what would have been his second term.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also one of the founders of the Concordia Society,

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<v Speaker 1>which began in January of eighteen sixty five, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a place where Jewish leaders and professionals could gather for

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<v Speaker 1>social and educational events. Strauss was the club's first vice president. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was another one of those institutions that was really

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<v Speaker 1>forward facing in terms of looking to the future. They

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<v Speaker 1>also wanted to make sure that young Jewish professionals could

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<v Speaker 1>come in and learn from mentors and get a support

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>system to help them succeed, and he became increasingly involved

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<v Speaker 1>in community government and politics over the years. He seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to think it was his responsibility as a successful person.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a vocal supporter of the Hawaiian Reciprocity Treaty

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<v Speaker 1>of eighteen seventy five, which removed tariffs on goods traded

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<v Speaker 1>between the Kingdom of Hawaii and the US, and he

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<v Speaker 1>also advocated for building regulations that would reduce the risk

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<v Speaker 1>of fire spreading in the increasingly tightly packed city. He

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<v Speaker 1>had had some fires himself that impacted his properties, and

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<v Speaker 1>so of course those efforts had benefit to other people,

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<v Speaker 1>but they also benefited his personal business. He also drummed

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<v Speaker 1>up donations for the Garfield Monument Fund Association, donated to orphanages,

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<v Speaker 1>and helped set up the Labor Exchange, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>group that was intended to help the unemployed men of

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<v Speaker 1>the city make connections to find temporary and permanent work.

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 1>He also became heavily involved in the Society for the

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<v Speaker 1>Prevention of Cruelty to Children, which was incorporated in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six. He served in one leadership role or another

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 1>with the organization for the rest of his life. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a particularly important one to him, and as the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen nineties had moved on, Strauss had stayed busy, even

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>though he was going through a lot of family tragedy

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>at the time. He was working with other merchants and

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<v Speaker 1>civic leaders to actualize infrastructure projects, including a railroad to

0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.320
<v Speaker 1>compete with the Southern Pacific. He knew that as city

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<v Speaker 1>that was appealing to new residents would mean sustained growth

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<v Speaker 1>for the businesses there, so he was constantly donating both

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<v Speaker 1>his personal money and on behalf of Levi Straussing Company

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 1>to the creation of things like parks or the improvement

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 1>of public spaces, and he supported efforts like the Pioneer

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Kindergarten Society because he knew that educating children was a

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<v Speaker 1>vital part of making a future for the city. He

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<v Speaker 1>was not only interested in early childhood education, though, He

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<v Speaker 1>also donated to the University of California, Berkeley so they

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<v Speaker 1>could keep their library open longer hours, and he created

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a scholarship fund at that school that Levi Straus Scholarship

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<v Speaker 1>continues to this day. One of Strauss's employees named Henry Richmond,

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<v Speaker 1>later wrote of him quote, mister Strauss was very quiet, affable,

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<v Speaker 1>always immaculately dressed. Yeah, and he apparently did not like

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<v Speaker 1>to be called mister Strauss. He wanted everybody to just

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<v Speaker 1>call him Levi. He seems like a lovely, lovely gentleman.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also wanted to include as our final note

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<v Speaker 1>a point of trivia really to one of our previous episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>because Levi Strauss was a founding member of the Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>Coast Auxiliary of the Jewish Publication Society of America, and

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<v Speaker 1>another member of that group was Ferdinand Toklas, father of

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<v Speaker 1>Alice B. Toklas. It's one of those moments where you

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<v Speaker 1>just see all the history puzzle pieces starting to click together.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all connected, yes, And Levi Strauss is so connected

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<v Speaker 1>in many ways like that to California history because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was on all sorts of like public works committees

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 1>and efforts with you know, people like Stanford and other

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:36.360
<v Speaker 1>famed people that really formed a lot of the foundation

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<v Speaker 1>of California as we know it today. Yeah, thanks so

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