1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode seventy four, which is 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: airing for the first time on New Year's Day, twenty nineteen. 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: So Happy New Year's everybody. We're recording it a little 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: bit before that, as we always do, but we are 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: speaking into the future and trusting that twenty nineteen is 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: starting wonderfully. Let's hope I like New Year's Do you 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: like New Year's? I love New Year's It's one of 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: my favorite holidays. There's so many good reasons I love 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: the New Year's Eve celebration. Even though I usually stay 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: up to the ten, you don't make it to midnight 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: and then I woke it up by the fireworks, because 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: around here a lot of people set off fireworks. But 22 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: that's okay. I love breaking in my new planner. I 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: love the fresh start. I just I love New Year's 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: that's the fresh start is always good. I mean, even 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: if it's sort of silly and arbitrary and all that stuff, 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, still what isn't arbitrary? Really everything is arbitrary, 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: so you may as well take advantage of any of 28 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: these these new starts. But yeah, I think it's gonna 29 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: be a great year. I'm excited about this year. I mean, 30 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, you know what I get to open up 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: with the first week of the year, Mommy Days inspired 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: by you. Hey, that sounds exciting. Yeah, so I'm gonna 33 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: take Actually, I'm doing a variation, so I have one 34 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: Annabel day, one Cameron day, and one me day. Ah. 35 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: So the baby gets a lot of time anyway, so 36 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: that gets plenty of time, but I don't, and neither 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: does Cameron. So that day I'm gonna the Annabel day. 38 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: We've already decided she wants a manicure and she wants 39 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: to go to a cupcake store. Keeps changing his mind, 40 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: and I am going to get a massage, So sounds 41 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: a good day. It's good week. That sounds like a 42 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: great week. Yeah, well, I'm trying to figure out we're 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: gonna have to when we start the new year. We 44 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: then have Alex turning four shortly thereafter. He is a 45 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: January baby, and I assume he may want his own party. 46 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: This year he started going to classmates birthday parties, and 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: he will definitely want his own. People want his own party, 48 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: So I have to plan that, which is you know, 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: I guess I have a December birthday. So I've always 50 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: felt sort of like, you know, it's like people don't 51 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: care because it's in December and everyone all of you has, 52 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, parties to go to and things to do. Anyway, 53 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: but that I think January might be even worse because 54 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: it's people coming out of this. Everyone's over it, everyone's 55 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: over and then all of a sudden it's like another 56 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: gift giving occasion, like a big deal over this. But 57 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: I guess people don't at least schedule as much. So 58 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: maybe we'll Yeah, the calendars are usually much more empty, 59 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: so you can have your pick of you know, founcy houses. 60 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: Some bouncy house we will go to. I'm sure it'll 61 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: be great. Yeah, So twenty nineteen, we've been doing our goals. 62 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: Are designing goals, don't I didn't do all of mine 63 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: for twenty eighteen. I didn't wind up actually hitting all 64 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: of them. I'm saying this even though I probably have 65 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: you know, a few days left in twenty eighteen as 66 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: were recording this. But I'm just going to give up 67 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: on that. But twenty nineteen, fresh Start. I like to 68 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: do quarterly goals and set you know, one in each 69 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: of the three areas of career, relationships and self. And 70 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: if anyone reads my blogs or books, you know those 71 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: are like the categories I like to use for life 72 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: planning in general, Like you plan your weeks on Friday afternoons, 73 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: set three categories for the next week, your priority, career, relationship, self. 74 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: I just think it's a good root break for thinking 75 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: about life in general. I kind of expanded on that, 76 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: Oh you should, okay, Well, I just I well, as 77 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, I like quintiles instead of quarters because I 78 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: just like how I don't know, it's like school to 79 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: spring break. That's one and then that's like the rest 80 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: of school, then summer, and then I don't feel like 81 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: the rest of it can all be one. I feel 82 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: like that's two, like one until about November first and 83 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: then like an end of your quintile. So yeah, even 84 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: though I started with the post maternity leave thing, I 85 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: kind of liked it so like that. Yeah, and I agree. 86 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: I didn't get to everything, but I got to a 87 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: lot of things. I mean it helped for the framework. 88 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: And instead of your three categories, I expanded that a 89 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: little bit because what did I do? I did work, 90 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: which is really more like podcast and blog like that, 91 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: like my side hustle type of work, and then personal 92 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: family and then Josh I separated those out, so a 93 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: little more expanded, but same same deal. Yeah, now that 94 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: makes sense. Did we want to talk through them? Sure? 95 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: All right, why don't you start with why don't we 96 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: do it by? Do it by quarters? Fun? Go back 97 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: and forth? What's your Q one? My Q one? So 98 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing quarters, Sarah is doing quintiles. If you're hungover 99 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: from New Years, maybe you just don't think about it 100 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: too hard, all right, Q one career Well, Juliette School 101 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: Possibilities launches on March twelfth, so you're out for that, 102 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: and try and do my best to get it out 103 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: there and get a you know, figure out who will 104 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: read it, who will buy it, how can I bring 105 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: it to as broad an audience as possible. A little 106 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: bit more complicated because it is fiction yet still dealing 107 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: with time management. So in the best of both worlds, 108 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: I would get people who are interested in fiction and 109 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: people are interested in time management, as opposed to the 110 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: smaller Vinn diagram overlap of the people who are only 111 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: interested in both of those topics. So we'll see how 112 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: that plays out. Relationships. We're going to Disney in February 113 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: with the six of us. There'll be a all four 114 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: kids trip, and we've done a lot of trips with 115 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: only the big kids, and this one will be with 116 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: Alex as well, which I'm sure he'll love. But the 117 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: thought of oh, he's the perfect age, it's going to 118 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: it's perfect as long as, like, in the next two 119 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: months he stopped running away from me in public places, 120 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: so we'll say, what though, You're not going to get 121 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: abducted at Disneyland disney World, and they're really good at 122 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: finding kids and there's like people to help everywhere, so 123 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: if he does run away, he'll be okay. Yeah, hopefully 124 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: he ran away from me once at another park and 125 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: he was so upset about it, like he was crying too. 126 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: Like that, I hope, But I just feel like Disney 127 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: is so well run that like some uniform person would 128 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: find him like immediately and be like, you know, like 129 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: I think. I think it's actually more safe you than 130 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: most other situations, most of the parks. That's it. Yeah, 131 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: And then my self goal is to get outside for 132 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: twenty minutes a day through the winter. Oh beautiful, that 133 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: sounds great. I may not read all these because some 134 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: of these are like boring work things, or I may 135 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: not go into detail. But I'm going to start a 136 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: research collaboration that I've been procrastinating. And by the way, 137 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: ours is from my Q one is January first until 138 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: spring break, so that takes me to like the end 139 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: of March. I would like to work more on my 140 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: book proposal, hopefully complete my draft. It's kind of half 141 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: a quarter done, I don't know, but it needs to 142 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: be fleshed out big time. I'm going to get back 143 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: into working out as a more of a habit in 144 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: a structured way. I'm going to do my mommy days 145 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: and we are I'm going to do one overnight with 146 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: Josh like he called it our post baby moon. Ooh nice. 147 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: So you're done pumping once I'm done, exactly, and that 148 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: will definitely happen in that cointile. That's awesome, all right. 149 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: Q two for me career, I'm going to revise my 150 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 1: novel that I wrote during November, that that National Novel 151 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: Writing Month, novel that I wrote, Relationships. I've decided I 152 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 1: want to be a little bit more proactive about getting 153 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: together with friends and persons when I'm setting for Q two. 154 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: So I guess April through June get together with somebody 155 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: in person every two weeks at least. That's six get 156 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: togethers for that quarter. And then on the self front, 157 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: I want to do some yard upgrades slash renovations. Last 158 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: year we redid our kitchen and master bath or I'm 159 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: really happy with most of how that turned out, but 160 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: the yard. The yard is one of those things that 161 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: we didn't do a whole lot with because the people 162 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: who built this house did a lot of landscaping and 163 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: had really thought it through a hired professional landscape or 164 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: design whatever. Like it's well landscaped, it's just that it 165 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: needs to be maintained and some things are kind of 166 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: falling apart, and I think could use an update. So 167 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: that's going to be my Q two goal for that. 168 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: I feel like yard that'll pay off nicely. I mean 169 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: it's like you're going to look at every single day 170 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: and it's the kind of thing that like you don't 171 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: want to go out every single time and be like, 172 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: oh that thing I need to do. Like, I think 173 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: you'll enjoy it. You know, that's a non boring renovation 174 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: that I've been just broken. Why is it still broken 175 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: or like I think it's a you know, green growth 176 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: on these stones that needs to be gotten rid of. Yeah, 177 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: I think it's It's definitely gonna look good when we're done, 178 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: So I'm excited about that. Okay, Well my work one, 179 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to onboard a new class of residents. That's 180 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: a big deal. I think I would like to make 181 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: sure I have changed my blog ad network by this time, 182 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: so I have that as a goal. I want to 183 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: curate my wardrobe because that needs some serious help, so 184 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: at least by the end of Q two i'd like 185 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: to have that done. I want to figure out the 186 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: kids camp, which is really tricky because I just don't 187 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: know when our move is actually going to be And finally, 188 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: I would like to celebrate our anniversary and my birthday 189 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: together somewhere with josh Oh fun all right. Q three Career. 190 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: I would like to get to a million downloads for 191 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: this podcast. Hopefully we'll hit that before that, but we'll see. 192 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: We totally, will we totally, but you know, at least 193 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: by the two year mark. Relationships. I want to do 194 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: mommy days with all four kids in the summer again. 195 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: That's always fun to do. I think they enjoy it, 196 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: at least they certainly seem to, so may as well 197 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: do it again and self, I want to do a 198 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: solo overnight retreat somewhere. Maybe does this mean like a 199 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: survival retreat like not like I No, I meant more 200 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: like rented condo somewhere, and that is beautiful that I can, 201 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, spend some time probably writing. I'll probably be writing, 202 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: but maybe you know, doing career planning. Thinking it's like 203 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: a luxury cabin kind of situation that could be fun 204 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: by myself somewhere, maybe do some hiking and all that 205 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: good stuff out my my Hiking solo has sometimes a 206 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: tendency to go awry. In general, hiking solo is a 207 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: high risk. I do. That's yeah, maybe just like putting 208 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: yoga or I went on a writing retreat summer of 209 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen Bear Mountain Bear Creek Resort, which you may 210 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: know by Pennsylvania one of the ski mountains around here. 211 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: But in the summer they have hiking trails through the back. 212 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: And I didn't bring the map because I thought, like, 213 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: this is you know, it's small, like it's a small property. 214 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get lost. And I think five 215 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: miles later, I was trying to figure out where I was. 216 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: I was just like, I didn't have anything with me, 217 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: no water, nothing. Eventually I found my way back to 218 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: the hotel. But always bring your map, bring a flashlight, 219 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: bring water, just public service announcement there and because your 220 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: phone might lose signals, you won't have signal on your phone, 221 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: which is the other reason. All right, Sarah, how about you? 222 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: Where are we? Q through? Q three? Q three okay? Oh, 223 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: I was looking at yours. That's why I was like, 224 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: what what novel? Okay? Sorry? So I Q three. At work, 225 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to focus on improving our med student elective 226 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: and our resident rotations for the blog, et cetera. I'm 227 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: going to go back to focus more on that book proposal. 228 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to for the personal side, do a trip 229 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: with my college girlfriends, probably just a weekend for the family, 230 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: a family trip. I have to plan and enjoy that 231 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: because this is the summer. And then finally with Josh, 232 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: I think I thought we could host a gathering together 233 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: in our new home, which hopefully we will have by that, Yes, 234 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: have new home. That could be a have new home. 235 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: I just don't Yeah, that's it's so hard. I didn't 236 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: put that in any specific quintile because I just don't 237 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: know when that's gonna happen. Yeah, I mean, that's the 238 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: thing I actually try to mostly with these goals. I 239 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: try to put stuff I know that I'm more in 240 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: charge of. Yes, you want things you have control control over. 241 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: I mean, so or you know, I would think it 242 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: is highly likely to happen. I mean, I guess, I 243 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, people could completely stop listening to our podcasts 244 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: and then we wouldn't hit a million. But I feel 245 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: like that's something that the trajectory should hit it right, 246 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: Like so so things that are not you know, crazy 247 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: to which is a different school of goal setting thoughts. 248 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: Some people think you should put like pie in the 249 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: sky stuff. No, I don't think either, neither of us. 250 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: They're all like nor very yeah. Yeah, and these things 251 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: I actually want to execute on I'd like to do 252 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: and good stuff will come and happen. That isn't on here, right, 253 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: there's going to be completely incrementalism though too. It's like 254 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: you know what you do a little bit, and you 255 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: like build on that, and you build on that and 256 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: you build on that, and like you get somewhere. Yeah. 257 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: So these are things I want to do knowing that 258 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: hopefully other opportunities will will come as well that I 259 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: didn't even think to foresee, Like, I don't think that, know, 260 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: goal setting and planning is in opposition to new opportunities coming. 261 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: It's just that you want to do both. And so 262 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: all right, Q four and then you can do both 263 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: of your Q four and yeah, career, I want to 264 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: come up with my next book idea, which you know, 265 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: I could always just do another National Novel Writing Month novel, 266 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: I guess during that time, but probably the next nonfiction 267 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: book idea unless I'm going to turn completely into fable 268 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: writing relationships. I want to do an overnight trip with 269 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: Michael somewhere and you know at some point in there self, 270 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: I think I finally want to get back doing voice lessons, 271 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: and maybe that will be when I it's something I 272 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: want to do in the near future, and I just 273 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: haven't you know, I think by putting it in Q 274 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: four of the year, that gives me sort of time 275 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: to think about like what school or teacher I'm going 276 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: to find, and then you know, gear myself up for 277 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: it then, but you know, right now, don't have to 278 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: do it immediately. Totally cool. I like that one, Okay. 279 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: Q four is sort of the back to school to 280 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: November first, so I was gonna have my work focus 281 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: be like there's all these sort of loose sense things, 282 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I would like to just make this 283 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: more efficient in this way, but that takes time, as 284 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: I'll do later. So I'm gonna that's gonna be like 285 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: my efficiency push for play. I guess this isn't really 286 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: blog related, but I wanted to spend that doing photo albums, 287 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: kind of archiving, getting my own you know, that's sort 288 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: of my kun mari and getting our house together, that 289 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: kind of a thing for personal get a massage, take 290 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: a me day, for family, to get to know my 291 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: kid's new friends and try to host three play dates, 292 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: and then my Josh goal to go to a concert together. 293 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: And then finally with Q five, I put question mark 294 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: half marathon training committe. Yet my work this is like 295 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: so meta, but I'm like plan for twenty twenty. It's 296 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: the goal for I, like my play is to try 297 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: Nano raimo for the first time, to take a person 298 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: also like sort of retreat day to decide what I'm 299 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,479 Speaker 1: in for the next year and sort of formalize that process, 300 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: to do another Philadelphia visit and for family, and then 301 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: finally have like like a couple's massage slash slash year 302 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: summit day with Josh usually time that around his birthday. 303 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: That's like a thing, the year summit. I like that 304 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: idea December. Yeah, I'm always dealing with the reality of 305 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: my less into planning husband. I think the idea of 306 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: a summit would calling it a summit might scare him. 307 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: Maybe it sounds to work really related, and I think 308 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: we'll call it a you know, conversation. We happen to 309 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: be having just a casual, little casual, a little what 310 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: are we doing with her without your planner? And he's like, wait, 311 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: you tricked me. You just have to like give him 312 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: a lot of cocktails and first and see what happens. Yes, exactly, Well, 313 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: this is awesome, should be a good twenty nineteen. And 314 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff is within our ability to do. 315 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: It's so you know, it's a kind of always go 316 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: for that for goals. But yeah, only as sixteen minutes. Wait, 317 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: I have I have one more question before we go 318 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: to our qure. Any how about your streaks? Are you 319 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: going to continue your streak? I'm sort of planning on it. 320 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the time tracking, I see no reason not 321 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: to write. That's just I mean, even if I forgot 322 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: a day, I could then reconstruct the day, so that's 323 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: not a big deal at all. The running would be more. 324 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: The question, which I've sort of always said this is like, 325 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, if it stops, it's not the end of 326 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: the world. Like I'm not you know, feeling like you 327 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: don't want to like die on that not on that 328 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, die on that hill. But I mean, I've 329 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: enjoyed it so far. I like the challenge and say, 330 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: well when am I going to run today? And the honestly, 331 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: I always feel better after the run than I do before, 332 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: and I think it does wonderful things for my mood, 333 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: which you know, life doesn't always do that for you. 334 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: So in that sense, the daily dosing of the running 335 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: endorphins is not a bad way to go about doing that. 336 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: So I think that I will continue it for the 337 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: foreseeable future. With that, then I'm very relaxed about any 338 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: other running goals, like I basically have no other running goals. 339 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: I've done, like the broad Street ten miler, but that 340 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: doesn't know, you don't have to train for that if 341 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: you're you know, a reasonable like if you run a 342 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: reasonable amount, like running ten miles is actually just not 343 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: that big a deal, especially if you don't have a 344 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 1: time goal. You don't have time slower ten miles, especially 345 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: since I have been doing longer runs of like six 346 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: to eight miles like every couple of weeks or something. 347 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm not going for any speed 348 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: goals either. I've decided that that's just not you know, 349 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: the streak is where I'm going with the running, and 350 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: that I will just let it be at that. And 351 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, I'm two years into it now. It's been 352 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: fine if it If it stops, it stopped. But I 353 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: can always say like, hey, I've gotten two years into 354 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: the running goal. Two years straight of running. That's that's 355 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: pretty good in life. That is amazing. I think I 356 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: just want to continue my flossing streaks. On October first, 357 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:22,239 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, streaky. Yeah, yeah, it's a streak. It's a streak. Well, 358 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: you have good floss now, right, Like you've discovered the secret. Yeah, 359 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: the glide glide. It's all about the glide. It's about 360 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: the glide and not being pregnant, because that's what stopped 361 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: me before. Maybe I just failed to understand the connection 362 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: between those two. But I was like, oh, it just 363 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: makes me gag and like I just don't want to 364 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: like throw what it is? It like when you're pregnant, 365 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: you don't have to do anything. I don't know, I 366 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: can't even like, can't even think about doing gotcha? Gotcha? 367 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: Oddly enough? Okay, all right, let's do our question. Yes, 368 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: all right? Do you want to read it? Sure? Because 369 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: it's more Yeah, it's for you, okay. Question. So early 370 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: in a different podcast, we addressed a question about a 371 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: mother wondering if she should go back to work, Like 372 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: at some point between three and six months, she was 373 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: trying to choose. Basically, she had some flexibility from her 374 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: firm where within the three to six months she would 375 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: want to go back anyway. I'm wondering if anything has 376 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: changed in your answer now that Sarah has transitioned back 377 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: to work after her last maternity leave. This listener says, 378 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: living in Canada, I cannot imagine going back at three months, 379 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: but I realized it is a societal norm in the States. 380 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: Having listened to Sarah's struggles going back to work, do 381 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: you feel that another three months would have eased the 382 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: transition or would you still go back at three months 383 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: if you were looking at this again. I think it's 384 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: been pretty obvious from the way I've spoken that if 385 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: I had had the option, I would have taken more time, 386 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: even if some of that had been unpaid. I mean, 387 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: it's hard because if I were purely clinical and I 388 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: knew that there would be absolutely nothing lost from like 389 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: an opportunity perspective, then yeah, I would have taken six 390 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: months or even like a year. I could have done 391 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: like podcasts, other stuff, you know, nursed, not pumped, not 392 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: have that stress of having to fit that in. And 393 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: I know that's like a not a have to, but 394 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: a want to. But that said, you know, it's sort 395 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: of in most cases, it's not a real choice that 396 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: you get to make. Most companies, you're either I guess, 397 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: if you don't think it's going to have any impact 398 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: on your career path and you want that time, I say, 399 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: go for it. And then otherwise you just sort of 400 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: have to weigh the pros and cons of what's offered, 401 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: and for many of us in the United States, it's 402 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: kind of a moot point anyway. So I guess it's 403 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: hard for me to answer this. But if anybody was 404 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: wondering if I had had the option to take more time, 405 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: would I have Yes, I would have see now listening 406 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: to you, I mean because I have a slightly different 407 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: perspective it, because what you just described that you'd be 408 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: doing if you took the year off is what I was, like, job, Yes, 409 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: So it doesn't in my case, like you know, there's 410 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: no external force Like I mean, obviously I want to, 411 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: you know, keep earning money and keep having a career 412 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: and all that, But it was more that, like what 413 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: I'm doing did not really seem as hard as I think. 414 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: If I had to have been in an office for 415 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: eight hours a day, and had to deal with me 416 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: heart pumping and all that. That would have been the hard. 417 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: Hard parts for me were the pumping and then to 418 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: some extent, the sleepless nights and then also taking overnight 419 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: call when I was also being woken up by a baby. 420 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: That was terrible. I mean it's like doubling your call, 421 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: you know, and then people wondering like why am I 422 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: finding this hard? It's like, well, you're only getting your 423 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: phone calls. You're not getting like the baby calls and 424 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: the phone calls, and then expected to go to work 425 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: and like smile the next day, like it was. It 426 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: was hard. Yeah, so I emergencies in the middle of 427 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: the night, so exactly. So if I had had a 428 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: more it wasn't like, oh I didn't want to do anything. 429 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: I had the brain power, but I wanted to do 430 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: things where I could like do it on my own 431 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: time and the like nurse the baby on my brakes 432 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: and like that. That's how I would have preferred to 433 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: do things. But in my industry, that's just it's not 434 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: a thing. So my industry comes with many other perks, 435 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: so you know, it's wonderful for other reasons, but flexibility 436 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: with having babies is not is not on that list. Yeah, 437 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean there's I would say that's an upside of 438 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,239 Speaker 1: downside of medicine. As we've been talking with lots of 439 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, people in that career and so and people 440 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: may be listening to this where considering it as a career, 441 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: I mean a downside at the moment. Yes, a lot 442 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: of the maternity leave is not that great. On the 443 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: other's hand, Sarah was able to go to eighty percent 444 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: without it being a big deal and can scale right 445 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: back up if you'd like, right, So that's exactly a 446 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: big perk of medicine. It's all. Yeah, I don't know. 447 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: I mean I think that it's so it's so individual, 448 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: and I would certainly say if people want to get 449 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: back to work before the absolute last minute, you are 450 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: allowed to. Like that doesn't make you a bad mother, Like, 451 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: let's not that out there right now, because I think 452 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: that's what is playing into a lot of this as well. 453 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: And it has nothing to do with that. I mean, 454 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: you are some other project that Yeah, narrative, I would 455 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: have I would have loved it. I mean, I mean 456 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: even as soon as like a few weeks, I'm happy 457 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: to do work from home types of things, and I 458 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: enjoyed having breaks where I was, you know, doing something 459 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: purposeful and giving Genevieve to ar nanny and for example, 460 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: recording a podcast or something. And I agree there should 461 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: not be shame in that that if you can do 462 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: that and you enjoy it, like, you should go for it. 463 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: And if if what you're doing is less flexible than 464 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: that and you don't want to pump, you should enjoy 465 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, but you don't actually have the pump 466 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: with a yeah, right, Like you absolutely don't have to. 467 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: It's a choice. And I didn't for I didn't for 468 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: Cameron at all. I'd pumped for six months. I mean 469 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: not even six months. I pump for three months, Like 470 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: I went so back to work at three months and 471 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: pump for three months and then stopped and that was 472 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: fine and he's fine. It was just, you know, a 473 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: choice I made that was different this time around. I 474 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think one was right. It was 475 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: like I wanted to have a different experience. So you 476 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: just have to kind of think about what you want 477 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: and go for it, and there's no shame in it. 478 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: I don't feel like one way was better or more 479 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: right than the other Yeah, and it's just what was 480 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: right for me at that time, and sort of thinking 481 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: about it within the sort of what you know companies 482 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: can do. Obviously, you know, think there's some good evidence 483 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: that if you offer slightly longer leaves you get more 484 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: people returning, which is because it is hard at three 485 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: months in a way that it's slightly less hard at 486 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: say like five months. So if somebody is within you know, 487 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: the hr field of a company is thinking about policies, 488 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be that much more expensive to add on 489 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: the extra two months and you might totally get it 490 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: back in terms of your your new moms not quitting 491 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: on you, which you then have to replace them, which is, 492 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: you know, hiring is just such a pain in the 493 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: butt for anyone who's who's been through that process, and 494 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: it's expensive and it's difficult, and people don't work out, 495 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: and you know, you'd much rather keep people who are 496 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: you know are good, and if that requires like paying 497 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: a little bit extra and giving the person an extra 498 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: month or so, very good return on that money going in, 499 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, sort of there might be ways of kind 500 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: of phasing in people's returns too, even if you do 501 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: have sort of this hard, Like we can only do 502 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: three months letting people you know, if your work is 503 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 1: amenable to this, and obviously thereahs really isn't, but like 504 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: work from home for the next three months, right, so 505 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: that the person could still like nurse their baby on breaks, 506 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: for instance, without the pumping apparatus and all that. That 507 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: might be a way to kind of work within that 508 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: framework too. Or and then you know, maybe six to 509 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: nine months, do half in the office and half home, 510 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: and then you know, by nine months be more back 511 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: into the office full time. That might be a way 512 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: that you could still have some of that productivity if 513 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: you can't get the longer leaves, but working with the 514 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: person as well. So lots of ways to think about this, 515 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: all right, Well, we're at twenty five minutes and we 516 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: had vowed to make this one under thirty so that 517 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: everyone can get back to enjoying their new years. But 518 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: before we close, we need to give our first love 519 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: of the week for twenty nineteen. What is your love 520 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: of the week? Law? Oh gosh, I got to look 521 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: at my list. Now, where did I put my list? 522 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: We're probably watching tons of this right now. So one 523 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: of the things I got from my kids for Christmas 524 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: is Popular Mechanics for kids. The DVDs for season three 525 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: and four. So we've long had the DVDs for season 526 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: one and two. We got them before one of our 527 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: epic Indiana drives in the minivan driving from Pennsylvania out 528 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 1: to Indiana. It's it's something that all four of them 529 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: are willing to watch. It's it's nuts. So popular mechanics 530 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: for kids. That's hard because you have quite the Spanish 531 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: ages and so the watch and see, like you know, 532 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: they study how aquariums work, or how rockets work, or 533 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: how you know, like stunt cars and movies work or 534 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: something like that. So episodes that are different there and 535 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of funny and it's led by kids who 536 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: are like, you know, eleven twelve years old, right are 537 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: the hosts of it, so you know, relatable in that sense. 538 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: And so yeah, we had season one and two and 539 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: the DVDs were getting like scratched through stuff because you know, 540 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: shockingly minivan where is hard on movies. But so I 541 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: bought seasons three and four the kids got for Christmas 542 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: and we're probably enjoying that now, so cool we own 543 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: no DVDs were streaming from and then the cloud, and 544 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: it's like we don't watch no, no, we just don't 545 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: like the physical media. We just like to be able 546 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: to pull it up, you know, from Amazon or like 547 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: we have although we didn't we like have half of 548 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: our movies on iTunes and half of them on Amazon, 549 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: and like random ones are on Netflix. So it's not 550 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: like maybe maybe do you know to watch in the car? 551 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: Maybe we have an older car? Is that well? No, 552 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: when we don't have a thing in the car, like 553 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: if we're going on a long trip, we just give 554 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: them my patch and then they don't do like we 555 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: don't have a thing. Yeah, Josh was really against that 556 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: for some unknown reason, but I mean we give them 557 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: my path. I sometimes it's total misery, right, like if 558 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: one headset isn't working and three are like, oh my goodness, 559 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: Like that is not a scene you want to go through. 560 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: I feel like you would need to have a stock 561 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: pilot headset. But's a trip and they're all quiet and 562 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: we could have like adult conversation on the front seat. 563 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: But that's funny when you SAI DVDs because I was 564 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: actually like in Target and I was like, who buys 565 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: Okay boxes? So that's the answer. Someone please me, I vile. 566 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: All right, what's your love of the week. My love 567 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: of the week is my twenty nineteen planner, my hop 568 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: Bunichi Techo cousin, not the event, but the one volume 569 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: and the fact that I resurrected a cover from twenty 570 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: sixteen because it's like this, like black leather, soft leather, 571 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: super sleek and professional looking, and I'm just super excited 572 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: to break that bad boy bad girl. I don't know, 573 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: I think she's a girl girl in for the New year. 574 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: Sounds good? All right? Well, this has been best of 575 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: Both Worlds Episodes seventy four, celebrating New Year's and talking 576 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: about what we're going to be doing in twenty nineteen. 577 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: So tune in next week for more on making work 578 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find 579 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the 580 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: Underscore shoe Box on Instagram, and you can find me 581 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the 582 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: best of Both Worlds podcasts. Please join us next time 583 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: for more on making work and life work together.