1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Yo, I talk a lot. I know sometimes it could 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: be hard to follow me. But if you don't listen 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: to anything else, I say, listen to this. These people 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck about you. We didn't talked like 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: your dad has passed away. I done took you outside 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: the office, We've talked about it, We've gone through all 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: of this. You wouldn't do this to me. Not only 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: will they, they're going to Yeah, like they're going to 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: do it. It's like they're going to do you. You 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna get done. You will be done like something 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: like if you are, if you are making the track 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: towards being somebody important or influential, somebody is going to 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: do you. There's no magic or sinister story to a divorce. 14 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes it don't work out. It just doesn't work out. 15 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: But you want to believe certain people will never be 16 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: happy because their lifestyles are antithetical to happiness in a relationship. 17 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: So you want to you want to believe like like you, 18 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: like you, you you. You want to believe that right. 19 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: You want to believe that teams gives you that. In 20 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: order to do that, TMZ has to treat those people 21 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: like they're not people. They have to treat them as 22 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: if their concepts celebrity is not a person. 23 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: That's why I guess TMZ comes off a little bit 24 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: invasive and ruthless. 25 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Right, Well, no, because they're. 26 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: They're not treating they're they're treating them kind of like. 27 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: Well, you have to write like even even the TMZ 28 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: tour was a celebrity safari, Like what's on a safari? 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: Animals animals, right. 30 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: And so and so like when when you like the 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: tours celebrities for its animals, right, and so you do that, 32 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: right and what you what you say is okay, Well, 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: in order to be a celebrity, the game is pr 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: at its base, right, So this is what you sign 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: up for kind of right, because like there are certain 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: things that you don't sign up for. I'll never talk 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: I'll never I'll never forget this. There was the sister 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: of a celebrity that had that had had something taught 39 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: done to them. I'll never forget. I'm not gonna talk 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: about who I had the conversation with. I'm like, yo, 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: we shouldn't do that. And they did the story and 42 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: this dude went on fucking and let us fucking happ 43 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, we had to take it 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: down and apologize and do all that stuff. I like, yo, 45 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: like there's a limit to this. And that's not me 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: making a moral judgment on team team. I'm just telling 47 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: you the way things go. So like when you know 48 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: all of that, when you have an idea of what 49 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: drives that, Like obviously they're moral. There are things that 50 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: you have to not care about to work there. But 51 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: most of the people there are good people. They're just 52 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: desensitized to whatever was going on there because that's where 53 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: they work. Like like that, like that's what they do. 54 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm there. It's the same thing. Things are coming in 55 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: at a certain point you go, god damn, you know, 56 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: and it's there will be little small things. This is 57 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: a football player that had this video come out of 58 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: some altercation. It was in and it said savage beating 59 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: by this and I was just looking at the hellline. 60 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's I don't think we should go savage 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: beating there, Like I think savage is like a it's 62 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: like an interesting way or there's just little small things. 63 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: The mayor of DC died, Maror Marion Barry Crack Mayor 64 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: Marion Barry dies like he died and like by the 65 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: way the people in DC are going to freak the 66 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: funk out because I don't know if you guys know, 67 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: but Marion Barry was with Martin Luther King Junior like 68 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: where I'm from, Like I deal with a group of people, 69 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: a community, people that are always categorized by the worst 70 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: moment that they have. And I don't feel comfortable with 71 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: categorizing a man that means so much to his city 72 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: by the worst, most scandalous thing he ever had. You 73 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: can't talk about his life without talking about that, but 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: maybe in the headline you don't do that. So it 75 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: so all of those things start to start to happen. 76 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: And so for me, what the place represents, it's not 77 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: even so much a bunch of not even so much 78 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of moral people that are running around trying 79 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: to get the dirt on celebrities. It represents our relationship 80 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: to celebrity and our relationship to ourselves, because there's no 81 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: fucking reason whatsoever why we should spend so much time 82 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: talking about what happens in the lives of famous people. 83 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: It just really like, at its core, it just doesn't matter. 84 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: And even to this day on the podcast, I still 85 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: do it, and the reason why I still do it. 86 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't get the stories, but you try to extrapolate 87 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: larger conversations out of these things and talk about them 88 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: with notable people. But really it's just the need to 89 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: talk about things that people care about, and for whatever reason, 90 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: people care about celebrity and fame. 91 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: Okay, can that makes sense? So going back to your story, Yeah, 92 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: so you're at TMZ for nine years, you said, and 93 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: then what happens after that? 94 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: After that? 95 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: Wait, what happened with your ending in TMZ? 96 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: I got fired for what? An altercation inside the office 97 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: with a white boy? 98 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: You say altercation? No hands? 99 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: They say I use hands? 100 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: They say you used hands? Did you use hands? 101 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, not in any real way. 102 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: I mean not in a real way. What did you 103 00:05:59,240 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: like that? 104 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: Or like, no, I'm not gonna smack nobody. See, I 105 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: would never This is the funny thing that would never happen, Right. 106 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: That would never happen. You said, a white boy. I'm like, 107 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: maybe you went light on him, you smacked him. 108 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: This guy was my guy, still is my guy. He's 109 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: a Republican. Whatever tell you what happened. I'm an emotional person. 110 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: I can kind of see that. 111 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: Very true. Uh, they they wanted me to talk about. 112 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: There's only one thing I don't want to talk about, 113 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: Hurricane Katrina. I just don't want to talk about it. 114 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: Like even saying the name Hurricane Katrina, like right now, 115 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: it makes me want to cry. I just don't want 116 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: to talk about it, don't want think about I want 117 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: to talk about don't want talk about it. I don't 118 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: It's very tough, very hard. And there was this story 119 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: that had gone on in the newsroom earlier where George 120 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: Bush was being cool with like Ellen DeGeneres, that's some 121 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: football games, and I was like, it doesn't matter what 122 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: you guys say about George Bush. I don't give a 123 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: fuck that he paints. I don't give a fuck that 124 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: show Obama like George Bush, fuck George Bush forever, Like 125 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I don't give a fuck. Who's the 126 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: who's worse fucking forever wheels in the water. He didn't care. 127 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: The way it goes like, Hey, we're gonna bring this 128 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: back and you're so passionate about it, and the thing 129 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: it's like, guys, I don't want to talk about it. Oh, 130 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: I told you. I want to talk about guys, and 131 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: I want talk about like, no I'm like, I'm like, please, Pa, 132 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, please, I don't want to I want to 133 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: discuss it. I'm here, I do everything. I've been the 134 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: funny nigga for a long time. I've been the I do. 135 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm the Swiss Army Knife of niggas. I'm the funny nigga. 136 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm the basketball nigga. I'm the who look at the 137 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: ass nigga. I'm like all that I've been. This just 138 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying, don't don't. I don't want to talk about it. 139 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: You gotta do it, fam we need you. Okay. So 140 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: I get on there and I'm talking my whole thing, 141 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: and this guy out there hosting the show, he's cutting 142 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: me off, and he's speaking to me in a way 143 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: that I don't like. Anytime you speak to me in 144 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: a way that I don't like, we have a conversation 145 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: about it, Okay, is it? So? This is genially how 146 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: this happened. I challenge anyone to watch the video. Guys 147 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: up there, he's sitting down, he's doing the show. I 148 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: know him now. I know him like we're friends, and 149 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: we're friends. Now he's up there and he's doing the show. 150 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: He's done this already, and I don't want to yell 151 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: at him across the newsroom make a big scene. So 152 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: I go up to him while he's sitting down, and 153 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: I put my hands on his shoulders, and you can 154 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: see me on the video. I'm whispering into his ear. 155 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm whispering into his ear. 156 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: Does he turn around and do the whole big scene? Nah? 157 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: He turns around and he moves his hand from off 158 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: my shoulder and I'm moving and then and then I 159 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: whispering to his ear, and I say, and you can 160 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: see me leaving. I pat him on the side. You 161 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: can see me leaving, and I do like this, and 162 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: I walk back. The last thing I said to him 163 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: was not something that you should say to somebody in 164 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: the office. He stood up and I was like, whatever, 165 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: I don't. 166 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 2: Even want to hear it. 167 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: The last thing that I said is something. And so 168 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: when I said that, Charles said, Van go home. 169 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: What did you say? 170 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 3: No? 171 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: So like so the I mean, the last thing was 172 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: a threat. It was no, no, no, that wasn't. 173 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: A it was a lights out. 174 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: The last thing was a threat. It wasn't a threat 175 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: as in I'm gonna do something to h It was 176 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: a threat. As in, these are my limits. 177 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't cross that line again. 178 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and and that's probably too far for Charles. 179 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Charles Charles goes Van, go home. That's the last time 180 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: I was ever in TMZ. It was funny because when 181 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: they called me, I knew I was gonna have to 182 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: it was gonna have to bench be for a little while, right, 183 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: uh that Yeah, so listen, it's funny. So I'm on 184 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: the thing and I'm like, I'm one of the phone 185 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: with the HR people and they go, yeah, did you 186 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: choke him? And I went wait what And they were 187 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: like yeah, did you put your hands around his neck? 188 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: And I was like oh, And I was like, guys, 189 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: this is Van. Hey, it's me. Circus Bear like, hey, 190 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: it's Vans. This is Van. Think about what you're asking me. 191 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Think about if you're asking me whether or not I 192 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: choked Mike in front of the whole newsroom. It's me. 193 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: I know you guys as children, I'd be around y'all 194 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: like it's Van, Hey, it's me. Now come back the 195 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: whole thing. I was like, oh, they about to do me, 196 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: and they did. And it was like the funny thing 197 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: about it was so all of these conversations. It's like 198 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: stuff happens. I end up being terminated. Karen, my manager, 199 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: like automatically has stuff. So we're taking all kinds of meanings. 200 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: We're doing all kinds of stuff. Nobody guys is off 201 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: me right, we're doing the same stuff. Because literally my 202 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: contract was up at TMZ in about four more weeks, 203 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: and I had already told them I wasn't resigning, So 204 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: if they thought they would have had me for a 205 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: longer term, there's no way they would have fired me. 206 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: But it's like whatever, this is a way to try 207 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: to maybe save some money, get off from under it. 208 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: This is cool. So my it starts to get around 209 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: the office that I'm not coming back. So my coworkers 210 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: throw me a going away party, including the guy that 211 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: I supposedly chose who comes to the going away party. 212 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: And after that that was on a Saturday, pictures go 213 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: up on Instagram. On Monday, Paid six calls me and 214 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: we heard that you got fired. We heard that you 215 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: got fired. We heard it there was some kind of 216 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: office altercation. We heard there was all of this stuff, 217 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: and I'm like fuck. Now, I'm like god, damn. Now 218 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: I'm the six foot fourth scary nigga, are you six four? 219 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: Don't play? And so and so and so. Now I'm 220 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: like and so. Now I'm like six foot er er 221 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: And they put up an article and the article was 222 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: like super it went soft on me. Everybody loves fan 223 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: and all of this stuff like that. TMZ got their 224 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: asses kicked. Everybody was coming at them, like everybody. And 225 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: so then the next day the office struck back. And 226 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: this is the one of the most important moments of 227 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: my career. Yo, I talk a lot. I know sometimes 228 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: it could be hard to follow me. But if you 229 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: don't listen to anything else, I say, listen to this. 230 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: These people don't give a fuck about you. They don't 231 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: tell you what we do as black people. Sometimes what 232 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: we do is like the record label becomes a crew 233 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: and a family. Yeah, the production group becomes a crew 234 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: and a family. We gotta sign, we got a logo, 235 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: we got all of this stuff and boom boom boom, 236 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: boom boom, and we cool. I know your kids, I 237 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: know I know all of these people around you. We 238 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: didn't talked like your dad has passed away. I done 239 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: took you outside the office. We've talked about it. We've 240 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: gone through all of this. You wouldn't do this to me. 241 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: Not only will they They're going to Yeah, like they're 242 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: going to do it. It's like they're going to do you. 243 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: You're gonna get done. You will be done like something 244 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: like if you are if you are making the track 245 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: towards being somebody important or influential, somebody is going to 246 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: do you. You will be done. So the question is 247 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: for you is how are you gonna respond to it? 248 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: As much naive? This is coming from a man at 249 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: that time who was thirty nine years old. I didn't 250 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: think they would do me that way. And the reason 251 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: why I didn't think they would do me that way, 252 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: it's not because it's because yo, I know these people. 253 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: It's to the point to me to where if I 254 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: if I pick up your baby and hold your baby, 255 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm from ban Rouge. If I pick up your baby, 256 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: if I don't fuck with you and get that little 257 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: nigg away from me. But like if if I pick 258 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: up your baby and hold your baby and all your 259 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: wife and I've been to your crib and all of 260 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: that stuff, I'm thinking that there's gonna be a point 261 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: where where somebody's gonna want to make me look in 262 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: a certain way and somebody's gonna go, we can't do 263 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: that to that. 264 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but does it also make you wonder like kind 265 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: of going back to the Jesus days, like the whole Judas, 266 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: like which one like with that piece of advice or 267 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: that's that statement? Do you think that people should be 268 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: also double looking over, like which one of their crew 269 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: is gonna be the one that kisses. 270 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: Them on the cheek? No? No, do you know what 271 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: we forget about Judas? What that he got paid? 272 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: The money is the Judas I understand. 273 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: So so hear me out. 274 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: So the roote is always gonna be in the the 275 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: industry in itself, the. 276 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: Root, the what pulls you apart, what brings you together 277 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: with these people is the commerce, and what pulls you 278 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: apart is the commerce. Yeah. Sure they liked me, but 279 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: I was good for business. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, 280 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: they liked me. They definitely liked me. But I was funny, 281 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: and I was smart, and I was devastatingly handsome, and 282 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: I was and I was all of those they like. 283 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: They they liked me, but I was good for business 284 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of the things that I got away 285 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: with there I wouldn't have gotten away with if I 286 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: wasn't good for business, and at that point I was 287 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: bad for business. 288 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: But they threw the mud back on you, right. 289 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: So I was bad for business. And the moment that 290 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: I became bad for business, we talked about it before, 291 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: was not a person anymore. It's like a thing. So Judas, Yeah, 292 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: he did what he did. They paid him thirty pieces 293 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: of silver. The thing is going to get you. Just 294 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: be prepared for the thing, the thing when you're no longer, 295 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: when they no longer have to protect you. First of all, 296 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't have to protect you won't. That's the 297 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: first thing. And secondly, if you're a threat to the money. 298 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: Your toast. 299 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: So at that point everybody is making them look bad. 300 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: They're like they don't want to be embarrassed. People are 301 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: asking if TMZ is racist. People are starting to say 302 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: the TMZ fire Van because vancd to Kanye West. It's 303 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: all of this stuff. If somebody would have got on 304 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: the phone with me, I swear to God, if somebody 305 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: would have called me and be like, Van, we're taking 306 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: a beating. Is there something you can say? I'd have 307 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: done him a solid because that's out of done them 308 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: a solid because I had no fucking problem with being 309 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: where I was. It was all cool. I had everything 310 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: set up. 311 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: So oh that's what that was gonna be My next question. 312 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: So y, what was your mindset at when all of 313 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: this was going on? 314 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: I started having heart problems? 315 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 2: Well I thought you just said that. What do you 316 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: mean while were you having heart problems? 317 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: It was stressed out? Okay, sorry. Like when I say 318 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: I started having heart problems, it's like there's something called 319 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: preventricular contractions. It's like a skipping of the beat. Like, uh, 320 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: I was so stressed that I was like to play 321 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: basketball very active. I was so stressed that my heart 322 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: started missing timing. It was boom boom boomoom boom boom boom. 323 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 2: When you were stressed over what just the whole transition 324 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: and where your next road was going. 325 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole deal. Okay, think about it right, like 326 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: the whole deal. But here's the deal though. I say 327 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: all this to say this. People look for God in 328 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: like the sky. Sometimes God is on the ground too, 329 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: and he's like right where you're walking. I had to 330 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: go through that, you know why, because I had to 331 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: put people through that. I had to go through that 332 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: because I had written and hit publish on headlines that 333 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: had made people feel that way. I had got on 334 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: TV and talked about people in a way that made 335 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: them go, shit, these people don't know me. I had 336 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: been a part of stories that like portrayed people in 337 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: a light that's not quite accurate to who they actually 338 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: are without me really knowing them. I had been a 339 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: part of that. 340 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: So but you had, You've been a part of it 341 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: without the relationship. It's different. Obviously if you have the 342 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: relationship and you're pushing the published button, that all. 343 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: Feels the same because like for me seeing me on 344 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: page six and seeing me going through all of this 345 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: stuff and me going, hey, guys, you guys know me. 346 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: This is not the thing. This is not the deal, 347 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: seeing something out of context played up. All all the 348 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: little micro feelings about black men are right there, Which 349 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: is a maritime before Van snapped, It's a maritime before 350 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: Van hurt somebody. This was a maaratime before he showed 351 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: us who he really is. Remember, when a white person 352 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: does something wrong, it's somebody who did something wrong. When 353 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: a black person does something wrong, they're showing us who 354 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: they really are the whole time. So it's so all 355 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: of this stuff. It's like I went through that and 356 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, cool, no more of that for me. 357 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: I have to feel that, like I'm not one of 358 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: those persons. I always get caught when I do something wrong. 359 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: I always it always comes back to me. He don't 360 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: want me to escape without feeling it. Yeah, so it 361 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: always comes back to me. And I could not leave 362 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: there having done the Kanye thing and looked like some 363 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: kind of big deal or whatever. I could not have 364 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: left there without being on the other side of a headline. 365 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: And so that's the way it went. Take the lesson, 366 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: move on, continue to do dope shit, do as much 367 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: as you can, but like it. And also, you know, 368 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: I'd been to grilled Cheese Land already. If I had 369 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: to go back there again, I could. 370 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: Now that you're older, do you, It's I've been to 371 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: the broke land. But I promise you I'm terrified of 372 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: going back. But I meet so many people on this 373 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: show that'll be like, I'll fall bankruptcy, I'll go back again. 374 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it. You're not at that phase 375 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: where you really genuinely don't want to go back. 376 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: To me, I can't go back now. I could. If 377 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: I had to go back, it would happen, right, But 378 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: I can't go back now. Why do you see that 379 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: we lost dad? So we lost dad in twenty twenty one, 380 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: and it just changed, like it changed everything, like when 381 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: we lost them, when we lost the old man. It's 382 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: like I remember when you get the news. I go 383 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: to ban Rouge and right away people start asking me 384 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: stuff and it really didn't matter. I'm not used to 385 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: people asking me stuff like in a family way, and 386 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: then my decision being what they do and shout out 387 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: to know, man, like you know, Bill goes So, I 388 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: the guy work with at the Ringer. Bill like hit Bill. 389 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm like Bill goes Hey. He's like man, He's like 390 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 1: he's honest with me right there. He's like, man, I'm 391 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: telling you right now, when you go down there, now, 392 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be different, Like you're going to have to 393 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: be the guy. And I'm not saying that I am 394 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: the guy in my family. 395 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, Like, you're also the youngest, aren't you. 396 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the youngest, but I'm also I mean, in 397 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: terms of this immediate family, I want to parse apart 398 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: all my family dynamics. But like they rely on me, 399 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: so it it so because of that now it's not even. 400 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 3: Now. 401 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: The fucking roof gotta get changed, Like stuff gotta happen. 402 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: And even if my dad was around and he couldn't 403 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: do it, he had a way to get it done. 404 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,239 Speaker 1: He was a useful, resourceful, responsible, old school man. 405 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: You say that, but going back to when you're mom left, 406 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: you were saying that, like if the stove broke. 407 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 1: You guys were like, will he wasn't that way with him, 408 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: but he would be that way with you. So if 409 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: it's him, he man. When I went to his crib, 410 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: like after he had passed away, like I see y'all 411 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: got the wires and all this stuff, and you know 412 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: it's a production house. That's how it goes. So I 413 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: go to this nigga shit and I'm in there and 414 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: it's like it's weird, Like death is so weird because 415 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: you're gone, but everything else around you is like the same. 416 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: So I go into his house and the outdoor channel 417 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: like he's a hunting fish, so the outdoor channel is 418 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: still on, like it's still on, like he's he's the 419 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: only thing that's not alive in the room is him. 420 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: Like the outdoor channel is still on in the middle 421 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: of the thing. His saddle is on the saddle horse 422 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: that you put on in the room next to him. 423 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: All of his hunting stuff is there. He has stuff 424 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: laid out for the next time he's His gun is 425 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: taking apart. He was oiling it to die before he 426 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: passed away, so like he wasn't expecting to die, right, 427 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: And so I'm going there and I'll look and I 428 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: see that he's running power out of one of the 429 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: rooms into his bathroom. I'm like this, Nigga is good 430 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: for nigga rig and some shit. Why don't you just 431 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: do whatever you gotta do to have the people come 432 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: out there and have the power. I see if it 433 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: would have been me doing that, If it had been 434 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: me doing that, he say, boy, fix that. He's just 435 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: used to dealing with a little bit less and then 436 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: kind of making sure that you don't. So for him 437 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: to be like gone and for people to know that 438 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: they can't just because sometimes he didn't have it to 439 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: give to you. He just had a strategy for you. 440 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: And that's the craziest thing. When you need when you 441 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: need one hundred and fifty dollars for somebody and they 442 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: ain't got nothing but advice. 443 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 3: You know. 444 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like that's like that's the 445 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's sometimes he 446 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: didn't have it. But like since then, like I could 447 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: go back to grilled cheese. I can get used to anything, 448 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: but we can't go back to grilly Yeah, yeah, I 449 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: get it, Like we can't. I get it. It's like niggas. 450 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: And that's funny because and they know that because they 451 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: don't even ask for the same amount of money before. 452 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: Like if you if you got a thousand bucks in 453 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: the bank account, people go, yo, man, let me hold, 454 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: let me hold, let me hold a hundred bucks, bro 455 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: the whole hundred dollars. Man need that. But if you don't, 456 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: the numbers get crazy. What you mean, oh bruh, the 457 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: numbers get crazy. It's like, yeah, I need four thousand dollars. 458 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: What the fuck you need for? You ain't got a 459 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: four thousand dollars life? Like what what? What? What the 460 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: fuck you need four thousand dollars for? Man, I I 461 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: need four thousand dollars? All right, cool? You need four 462 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: thousand what like what? Like I don't know, like you know, 463 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: you know the whole thing. And I'm not like you. 464 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: Hear other people talking about this and they are actually 465 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: really rich I'm doing okay. 466 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they they hating you for real. So when 467 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: you come back, do you give them what your dad 468 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: gives you? 469 00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: Nah? 470 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: No, I mean how to get this for now? 471 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: I gotta help out, like I gotta help out as 472 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: much as I can. But but see this is the 473 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: way I help out. I make you earn it. 474 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: And listening to me, oh god, I love it, Oh 475 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: my god, one of those I. 476 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: Make you earn it. Sure y, gotta do it, gotta 477 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: do it, gotta do it. I make you earn Hey. Now, look, 478 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna send this to you. We gotta talk about 479 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: how you live it. But we're doing it. 480 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: That's messed up, man. 481 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm not a fucking atmarious. So we at least got 482 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: to have a conversation about how we could be better. 483 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 484 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: Now, I got rules of the game. If it's mom is, 485 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 2: just give me the bill direct. 486 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: We all know that all of this doesn't it doesn't. 487 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: This is not a mother grandmother thing. Mother and grandmother. 488 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: Don't they don't even ask, they don't They don't even ask, 489 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: like they really don't ask like they like it's like 490 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: you'll come to their house, come to my mother in 491 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: my grandmother's house, and they really in the old small 492 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: TV on top of the big Curtis Mathew. I'm like, nah, man, 493 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta, we gotta go get this whole situation. 494 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: So they don't even ask. Obviously, with your mom, it's 495 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: not that big. 496 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: Of a deal, oh of mine. I'm just like, I 497 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: have to pay direct because it's never gonna get to 498 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 2: whoever you owe. 499 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: They want your mom not gonna pay the bill if. 500 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: I give my If my mom has a thousand dollars 501 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: light bol hence her one thousand dollars light bl you 502 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: see where we're going, She'll be like, you give her 503 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: the money. She'll be like, I know that they'll keep 504 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: the lights on. If I just give them ten, you'd 505 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: be like, just pay the bill. So I'll just be like, 506 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: send me the bill direct. 507 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: I see. This is why I love talking to people, 508 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: and that's how I know you Black. That's why I 509 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: love talking to people because I remember back in the day, 510 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know you could do that. 511 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 2: I never knew you could do that. Until I discovered 512 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: my mom can rack a bill's extremely high. 513 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: My mom time, my mom told me to pay the 514 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: light bill. She was like telling me, come buy there 515 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: and you'll drop them off seventy dollars. I'm like, drop 516 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: him off seventy dollars. She saydeah, tell them me drop 517 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: them off seventy dollars. I was like, you can drop 518 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: them off seventy dollars and she was like, yeah, they 519 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: want you to pay something. You drop them off the 520 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: seventy dollars and then you come back a little bit later. 521 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: I remember once, it's just so many stories. Mom sprayed 522 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: mace at the feet of the light guy, the light 523 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: build god, so he could come cut the lights off. 524 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: She made them she makes the light buil god. No 525 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: way swear light buil God. Mased them and then told 526 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: him that the house was covered in the blood of 527 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: Jesus and that if he came in there, his blessing 528 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: was gonna be cut because she was trying to turn 529 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: the lights off on her kids. Maceed them and then 530 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: it was like, I'm letting you know, this house is 531 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: covered by the blood of Jesus's coming here. This is crazy. 532 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: She had she had force, she had the Bible, she 533 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: had all kinds of stuff anyway, So all of that 534 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: stuff now is just like now you're blessed. You're walking 535 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: in abundance, and you're trying your best to be available 536 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: to the people that you care about. I care about 537 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: all of black people. That's why I care about you. 538 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: That's why you have to be investigated by the BBI, 539 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: and we have to make sure. 540 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: I don't even understand the point of the investigation, but okay, 541 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 2: the point of. 542 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: The investigation for you, the point of so what we 543 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: do at the Biracial Bureau of Investigation is we make 544 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: sure that we we identify the problematic Biracials that exist 545 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: amongst us. 546 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: What do you mean the problematic? You mean the ones 547 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: that don't claim they're black. I knew that's what it was. 548 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: I knew I'm not one of those. I passitest me. 549 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 2: Acknowledging my nationality does not negate whether I'm black, whether 550 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: I'm not acknowledging I'm black. 551 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: I'll say right there, I'll say, right now, your prospects 552 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: are good. 553 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: My prospects are hella good. 554 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: But we're gonna have to go deep. We're gonna after you. 555 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: Read after you reborn a crime. We could we could talk, 556 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: but we're not going to. 557 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: I'll read Trevor's book. I'll actually add his book to 558 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: it is the curriculum. 559 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: To be behind one of my favorite books. Ryan, it's 560 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: one of your favorite books. 561 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: Ryan, you fuck with that? Ryan? You biracial? You are what? 562 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 3: What? 563 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: What are? 564 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: You? 565 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: Vietnamese? Oh so one Vietnamese parent, one white parent. 566 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: Okay, that counts. But I mean, yeah, I don't know 567 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: that by racial. I was like, wait, you got blacking him? 568 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: Hold up, you do that kind of brothers the second 569 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: he said biracial ship. But baby, you know you never know. 570 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: But but no, you should. You should check out the 571 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: Trevor Noah book. I promise you. It's a great read. 572 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: You'll you'll probably end your BBI commission after that. 573 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. 574 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: I know what you mean though, because I've met people 575 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: that are like you know, they won't exactly acknowledge the 576 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: black if they're half. But I acknowledge it, but I 577 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: also acknowledged the others. 578 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: It's more of a bit than it is anything else. 579 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna have a lot of fun with it, 580 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: have fun with it. 581 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: Is there any way people could keep up with you? 582 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 3: Now? 583 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: Miss the success story? 584 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: Still Grinding Hire Learning Podcasts on The Ringer Podcast Network 585 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: with My Fantastic co host Rachel Lindsay. Fantastic co host 586 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay The Midnight Boys podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network, 587 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: The ring Verse. Uh you see me on CNN. The 588 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: movie company is doing well. Life is moving in a 589 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: positive direction. I'm not where I want to go, by 590 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: my boy. 591 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: I do want to touch on the Academy Award winning Like, 592 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: can we backtrack to that? That was before you were 593 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: That was after you're fired, So. 594 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to do it if I'd 595 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: still been at Team Z. 596 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: Okay, did you know you were going to work on 597 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: that project when you were getting fired? Or did it 598 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: just come out? It was it around the George Floyd 599 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 2: or okay during the COVID During COVID okay, yeah. 600 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: Okay, idea money execution. You never know what's going to happen. 601 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: How do you feel about with everything that happened during COVID, 602 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: how these brands are now supporting black business? Like, how 603 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: do you feel about it? 604 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: What do you mean how they support it? I don't 605 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: think they are well. 606 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: They there was a period during the whole Black Lives. 607 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 2: To me, it feels like the world had to come 608 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: to an end, Like literally sports had to end, The 609 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: whole world had to stop for everyone to say, what 610 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: is happening to blacks is really bad? It literally took 611 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: If I think if sports was running at the same time, 612 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: it'd be like any other year. But what I did notice, 613 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: like there was a lot of like I know, a 614 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: lot of brands that got distribution because they were black owned, 615 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: or if you had a black in the title of 616 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: any thing that you were doing around that time, you 617 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: were getting distribution. You were getting sales from white you know, 618 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: white ran companies. 619 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Ah, So it's interesting there was an opportunity there 620 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: that was missed, and was missed for myriad reasons. America's 621 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: inability to reconcile its relationship with black Americans will be 622 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: the thing that destroys America because if you cannot reconcile. 623 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: In reconciling America's relationship historically and contemporarily with black people, 624 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: you actually address many different American problems. You address American inequity, 625 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: you address capitalism, you address you address so many of 626 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: the different problems that exist for Americans across the lower 627 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: class spectrum, right, But you can't really do it because 628 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: number One, there is a way to things are supposed 629 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: to go in the country, and there's a fixed middle 630 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: to lower class in the country, and the threat of 631 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: those people becoming anything other than that threatens the way 632 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: things are supposed to go. With black people specifically, It's 633 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: this simple, and I know this sounds very unintellectual. America 634 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: just don't want niggas to have shit. Yeah, all right, 635 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: and so and here's the example to that. Real quick. 636 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go on and on like I 637 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: do everything that America has told Black people to do 638 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: to get a hit. In America, black people have done. 639 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: Black people bought land. We own more land in nineteen 640 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: oh five than we own now. Bought land top four 641 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: white owners white land owners, and all of America own 642 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: more land than all of Black America combined. We own land. 643 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: They took the land. They took the land through terrorism, 644 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: They took the land through contract buyd We started thriving 645 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: communities everywhere. They just said, no, we try to buy houses. 646 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: They said no, we tried whatever we did. They just 647 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: colluded to take it. Away. It's like you when people 648 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: talk about Greenwood, I know, you know, Tulsa is the 649 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: one that sticks out in people's minds. What destroyed Tulsa 650 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: was not the riot. It's not what destroyed Tulsa. Tulsa 651 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: was known as Black Wall Street after the riot. They rebuilt. 652 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: They had enough money to do that. You know what 653 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: destroyed Tulsa urban renewal. Urban renewal, which was a plan 654 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: to take areas of inner city America, places that were 655 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: deemed inner city or low low income, and like run 656 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: fucking freeways through them. Tulsa got fucked over because they 657 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: ran a fucking freeway through it. The people. They couldn't 658 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: take the people's land any other way. So they use 659 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: urban renewal, imminent domain, all different types of things like 660 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: that to dispossess these people of what they had built 661 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: and they of their communities, right, and so all of 662 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: that stuff is to say that racism and the idea 663 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: that black people are supposed to be lesser than is 664 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: so deeply entrenched in the American psyche that if it's 665 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: not dealt with, and if it's not, if we don't 666 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: come to terms with it, then America can't exist in 667 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: any real functional way. And it's only so long, right 668 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: we think that it can. We think that it could 669 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: just be like this forever. It can't because you start 670 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: turning the blind eyed to the middle class, then you 671 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: rode your ability to be a stable community, right you, 672 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: Income inequality a stable society. Income inequality goes crazy. All 673 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: of those things happen because they're huge chunks of the 674 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: American electorate that people just are okay with saying they 675 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: don't matter. George Floyd gets killed in front of everybody, 676 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: and then people go, okay, well, maybe we should do 677 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: more for black people. Did they let us tell them 678 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: the way they should do more? Right, They donated to 679 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: three or four places, made those places rich, and then 680 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: heaped the entire reputation on Black America on what those 681 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: people did with the money. So, like what I'm saying 682 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: is right now, it's people would answer to these questions, 683 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: but they would have to be the questions that would 684 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: have to be asked seriously, and they never will. And 685 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: I want you to have nothing brought you over here 686 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: as a slave in order to make it make sense 687 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: to them and to trick themselves into believing they have 688 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: to trick themselves into believing you were subhuman, and after 689 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: three generations they really believe it. Yes, right. I mean 690 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: when you're first kidnapping someone and you see a mother 691 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: being separated from a child, you might feel something inside 692 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: you that says that's wrong. But see about like one 693 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: hundred years after that, that's gone because you have now 694 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: like purposefully endeavored into a psychosis that makes you, that 695 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: makes the way this country runs. You have to like 696 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: approach that as if it's true. And that's where we are. 697 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: And so the only thing for us to do is 698 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: to disassociate with that and do what eighty five South 699 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,280 Speaker 1: and so many other people are doing here, which is collectivize. 700 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: Do it for yourself, like depend on yourself and have 701 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: solidarity with yourself. Se Grilled cheese too. 702 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 2: Grilled cheese too. Look at that grilled cheese. 703 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: You like it. 704 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 2: It's good. It's good. Eat a grilled cheese. Thank you 705 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 2: so much for your time. We appreciate it. And I'll 706 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: catch up with you. And we're in La. 707 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, catch up. We'll have your We have ir on you. 708 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna see what your reading history is 709 00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 2: looking like. Hey, what up? J suck all right, it's. 710 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 3: Secret ingredient. 711 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 2: YO, picture this a parallel dimension where Van Laythan's born 712 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 2: without his secret sauce, that raw, unfiltered candor. In this 713 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 2: twisted reality, that legendary Larry Flint joke never lands, Harvey's 714 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: approval never earned, TMZ producer status never achieved. And when 715 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 2: Kanye's spin in nonsense in the newsroom, insulting everybody in 716 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 2: their mama, ain't nobody stepping up to check him. But 717 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: in our world, Van Laythan's keeping it one thousand. He's 718 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 2: got that freedom to speak his mind. And it's not 719 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 2: just opening doors for him, it's straight up kicking them 720 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: off their hinges. Van Laythan teaches us that when candor 721 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 2: is your secret ingredient, life can hand you all the 722 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 2: lemons it wants, you just throw them lemons right back 723 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 2: and whip up a banging ass grilled cheese sandwich. I'm 724 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 2: calling wit, and you've been listening to Eating While Broke. 725 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: Peace out 726 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 2: For more Eating While Broke from iHeartRadio and The Black Effect, 727 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 2: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 728 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 2: to your favorite shows.