WEBVTT - Larry Wilmore: Ace of Comedy 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:09.120 Hi, Brian, Hey Katie, Hi, everyone out there listening. Gosh, 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.720 I'd say the state of the Union is shaky still. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.800 Just over a week after this election, I just got 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.200 finished interviewing Richard Cohen. Brian, remember we had him on. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.480 He is head of the Southern Poverty Law Center, talking 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.080 about the rise and hate speech and incidents across the 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.280 country since election day. He said there had been three 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:36.360 hundred at this point, uh, anti gay, anti black, anti women, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:41.400 anti Jew, anti Muslim incidents. We're definitely seeing a lot 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.840 of turmoil across the country. You know, on the left, 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:49.000 there have been mass protests in big blue cities like 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:54.600 New York, Chicago and l a um Online anonymous users 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.400 have risen on Twitter to sort of condemn both sides. 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.760 It's a it's a very angry time in the country. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.160 That's something we really want to start with. As we 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.679 introduced today's guest, Larry Wilmore. Many people know Larry from 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.680 The Nightly Show. He replaced Stephen Colbert when Steven replaced 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.840 David Letterman. Oh, of course you probably remember him from 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.840 The Daily Show as well. But he's been behind the 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:24.080 scenes of a number of very iconic shows through the 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.959 years and We can't wait to hear about that as well. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.440 Larry Wilmore, it's so nice to see you. Thank you 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.880 so much for coming my pleasure, Katie, thank you for 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.440 having me. First. Larry, we want to talk to you 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:38.040 about our good friend Gwen Eiffel. We got some terrible 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.119 news just really moments ago, and you were looking at 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.600 your phone and asking me about it when I walked 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.400 in to the building, and in fact, it was about 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:53.040 Gwen Eiffel passing away, which is so shocking. I had 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.920 known that she was sick and had been going through 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:01.360 treatment for cancer, but I did not obviously have any 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:05.560 idea that she was this ill. And UM, tell me 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:10.360 about your experience with when well, it's funny. UM, I 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.720 was always a big fan of hers. You know, I'm 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.120 one of those Uh, I'm one of the people who 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.600 is in your demo. I love news, you know, and 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.840 I've loved since I was a kid, and and I 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.880 love the fact that Amazon PBS and you know, and 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.280 she was one of the faces of PBS. She was 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.160 so gracious, so intelligent, you know, and the things that 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.360 she had to say. Um, so I'm just kind of 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.280 devastated right now. It just kind of hit me at 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.280 just all at once, you know she. Um. I've gotten 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:40.240 to know Gwen through the years, just covering various things, 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:44.160 and she was quite involved in the Aspen Ideas festivals 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:48.760 and was such an incredible presence. She was strong and 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:54.080 reasonable and fair minded and calm. Gwen has just been 0:02:54.160 --> 0:03:01.480 such a steady force and an unbelievably kind, carrying, sweet person. 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.679 And uh, it's just crushing, Brian. Did you know Gwen 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.519 at all? I did. Actually, I first met her as 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:14.120 a nerdy politics geek at the Institute of Politics at Harvard, 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:18.200 where she was pretty involved. Um. I was obviously a 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.600 huge admirer of her work. We stayed in touch a 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.919 little over the years, and in fact I saw her 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:29.000 this summer at one of the conventions and she gave 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.040 me a big hug and said why did they allow 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.760 you in here? And was very sweet and teased me, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.920 and um. She was also a great kind of utility 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.200 player in journalism. You know she was, if I remember correctly, 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:44.280 she was a writer for the New York Times before 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.640 she was before she went to television, and and excelled 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.720 at at both, which is a rare and hard thing 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:56.120 to do. Um. I think she was a universally respected 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:02.280 figure and a universally liked figure. Um, so it's this 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:09.480 is a really uh sad loss for journalism in the country. Yeah. Well, Um, 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.200 our thoughts and prayers are with her family and all 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:18.200 our colleagues at PBS, and uh, you know, I think 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:23.760 we can only feel grateful for the contributions that she made. Anyway, 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:31.599 let's move on to something more cheerful or not, Larry. Um, 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.359 you know, it's been a it's been a very um gosh, 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:42.240 I don't know, uh, strange and unsettling week in American life. 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:48.080 And I think the division is so raw and I 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.520 think more palpable than ever in the aftermath of this 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.680 campaign and in the election of Donald Trump is our 0:04:55.720 --> 0:05:01.440 next president. Um, let's go back to election night. Were 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:07.200 you shocked? What did you think going into the evening? Well, yeah, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:12.480 definitely was shocked. Um. You know, I kind of watched 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.600 election I kind of like a sporting event, you know. Um, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.080 I'm looking at it as two sides going against each other, 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.000 because it's really there's really a third side. I Mean, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.000 there was a chance of Ross Barrow doing something in 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.080 ninety two, but that was the last time anybody really 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.240 might do something interesting, you know, So I, like everyone 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.800 was interested to see how close Trump would make it. 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.560 That's how much I believe that, you know, it was 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.000 a faith to complete that Hillary would be the next president, 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:43.200 you know. Um And watching Florida, I was like very 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.600 fascinated by the returns in Florida. It's something that John 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.080 kings and In does well, is he really goes into 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.360 all the counties and how the ratings are coming through 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.240 the countings with his magic board. I always make fun 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.880 of that magic board because CNN always stays, you know, 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.599 cable entertainment news, you know, see end, That's what I 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.520 call it. But but I'm so happy he had that 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.440 magic wall because you really you can really in real 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.440 time understand what's going on. And in real time you 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.080 could see how those counties were overwhelmingly coming out, those 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.200 red counties for Trump. When that happened, I thought, Okay, 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.520 anything can happen tonight. Anything. So Florida was your big 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.440 key that all bets were off. Yes, And I was 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.320 going around all the networks and just watching reactions and 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:32.360 Fox News Funny, they started off really sad. It was 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.640 kind of interesting, and the other networks it was kind 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.359 of this it was almost a smugness, especially when you 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.080 look at it now. You know, to your point, Larry, 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.880 Florida really was the canary in the coal melt mine, 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.520 and it was a microcosm of how the election unfolded 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.360 in so many ways across the country. You had Hillary 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.000 doing what she was supposed to do in the democratic 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.840 parts of the state, maybe turnout was a little off 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.440 of where Obama was four years ago, but in more 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.080 rural parts of Florida, where she was expected to lose 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.760 by twenty points, she was losing by thirty and thirty 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:11.480 five points, and with enormous turnout among Trump supporters. And 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.080 so that was shocking for a lot of us who 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.720 just smuggly assumed, based on the data that she was 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.040 going to prevail. Yes, Hillary hadn't countant on white being 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.920 the new black. She had that, and that's what it 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.840 showed us. I mean, I remember Browerick County. They were 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.560 waiting on it, and you thought, this gush of you know, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.280 black votes is it going to come in? And they're like, okay, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:37.600 that's it, and I'm like, that's it. It's okay, alright, Florida, Well, 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.239 why you know, gosh, there's so much to unpack here. Um, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.680 when was the moment that you all felt like party over, 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.560 game over, Mike drop, it's over. Pennsylvania was the one 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.560 for me because that's been untouchable for so long. You 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.960 know what about for you, Brian, when was that moment 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.320 you thought it's that it's over. Well, for me, it 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.320 was one it looked likely that she would lose Miss Chigan. 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.920 That was truly shocking because Michigan last went for a 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.280 Republican in when George H. W. Bush was running. And 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.600 is it true that Wisconsin had not voted Republican since 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.600 ur Yes, So that was a real shocker thirty two 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.120 years since Wisconsin supported a Republican for president. That was 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:24.760 during Ronald Reagan's forty nine state sweep. Let's talk about 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.800 sort of the white working class voters. You know, someone 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.720 was talking to me yesterday and saying, you know, you 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:37.720 don't realize how patronizing and superior it sounds to always 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:43.360 refer to this voting block as non college educated, blue 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.440 collar working class, etcetera. That that sort of in and 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:52.640 of itself sets up this US against them mentality of 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:59.800 the quote unquote more educated Americans, white collar workers, and 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:03.280 and pits these two groups against each other. What do 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:04.959 you guys think of that? I thought that was an 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.560 interesting observation. Yeah, it is interesting, I think that. I 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.520 think for me, I feel like the left has had 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.440 kind of the moral high ground on on the social issues, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.960 but unfortunately it may have given them a smugness on 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.040 economic issues, you know, in kind of a false sense 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.120 of being right on all the issues, you know, and 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.680 so I think they forgot about what, you know, in 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.480 the nineties were called the Clintons. They were the Abubba 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.080 Democrats and the Bubba vote, you know, that were so 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.000 loyal to Bill Clinton. And I think a lot of 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.200 people forgot about those Republicans as well. I think had 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.240 forgotten about a lot of them because they were so 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.959 interested and on the religious side of the of the issues, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.200 you know, especially with the borsho and some of those issues, 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.360 and so both sides were so interested in the cultural side. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.400 It was Bernie Sanders and ironically Trump who talked about 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.720 these issues in ways that really connected with people. You know, 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.600 I had said to Briant through the course of this campaign, 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.720 why is in Hillary Clinton talking more about income inequality? 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.760 Why isn't she talking more about jobs, about the loss 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.400 of manufacturing jobs largely through automation. As we've reminded our 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.840 listeners here many times, it seems like like such a 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:20.719 duh captain obvious thing to say, why why didn't she 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.760 do that? In your view, I don't know, Brian, do 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.040 you have any views on that? Well? Bill Clinton was 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.880 sort of dismissed with a condescending pat on the head 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.880 and said, well, you know that that was then, this 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.760 is now. Yeah, the future of the Democratic Party is 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.760 this coalition of the ascendant young people, college educated whites, 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.280 uh and minorities. And in fact, depending on how you 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:50.800 calculated about of the electorate is still white working class people. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.040 And it just seed that group and lose by thirty 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.400 or forty points in some places, makes it very very 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.760 hard to win for a Democrat. At a candidate, you 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.520 basically have to run the table everywhere else. Now, Clinton 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:10.040 strategists will tell you that the economic argument was sort 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.360 of at the core of her message, that in every 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.199 speech she said an economy that works for everyone, not 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.640 just those at the top um. But what but what 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.720 got media attention was just the conflict with with Donald Trump. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.120 And so you have a lot of people outside the 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.400 campaign who said, you know, they should have done a 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.760 lot more. They should have they should have visited some 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.640 of these places. Hillary Clinton wasn't even in Wisconsin for 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.880 seven months before election day. And of course within the 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.760 Clinton campaign, their view was, you know, we reached them 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:45.400 through advertising, through other events, and the press didn't cover 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.480 her policy ideas and speeches. They just covered us when 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.640 we bashed Donald Trump. To me, that my biggest frustration 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.640 with Hillary Clinton, who I supported and voted for, was 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.000 was the empathy quotient. It didn't feel like she had 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.800 that empathy part of the equation, you know, whereas Trump, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.280 if you look at his rallies, people were there excited 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.679 because they felt they were heard finally that somebody heard 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.160 them and someone was listening. And whether or not you 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.440 grew with the message, that connection is very powerful. And 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.599 if you just look at their message itself, just a 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.559 simple message, Trump, make America great again? Right, Very aspirational, 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.880 very inspirational for people that believe that it's an idea. Hillary, 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:27.359 I'm with her, are Stronger together. Yeah, it's more esoteric. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.440 I'm just gonna ask you, Larry. You know, it's so 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.320 interesting to me as we kind of pick through these 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.040 exit polls because they're really kind of a reflection, uh 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.559 even a rough one of of where the American people are. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.600 And they showed that a majority of voters approved of 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:46.160 President Obama's job performance, they opposed some of Donald Trump's 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:51.000 key policy ideas like the wall and mass deportations, and 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.959 and they viewed Hillary Clinton more favorably than Donald Trump. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:59.280 So why do you think, um, even though he lost 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:04.560 the popular Trump was able to prevail on this election. UM. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.640 I do feel that many times we get the president 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.040 we deserve, not the president we underneed. And I feel 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.560 a lot of the electorate is more superficial than people 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.120 give them credit for. And that's not always a bad thing. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.880 Sometimes it works out well. But I think the toughest 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.160 hurdle the Clintons were always going to face is coming 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.280 back to the neighborhood. You know, they're already out of 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.079 the neighborhood. You're coming back. You wait, you're moving back 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.199 into this house. We know you already. There's nothing new. 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.240 America likes a new family, you know they as I mean, 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.800 President Obama said this in twelve He said, Americans like 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.040 that new car smell. That's what he when he was 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.280 worried about losing around. But He's right. People do like that. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.360 They they they like getting to know the new family 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.280 in the White House. They already know about the Clintons. 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.120 One of the toughest hurdles that they had to overcome 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:53.320 was familiarity. Yes, we know that breeds contempt, you know. 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.080 So you know, if you just look at cult of personality, 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.640 we're also in a very narcissistic you know, reality show age. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.719 And boy, there's no other better example of that than 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.080 Donald Trump. That's the world that we kind of live in. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.120 And Trump wrote a lot of different waves into the 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.400 White House, not just one. And the thing about Obama, 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.440 I think more people approve of Obama than approve of 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.319 his record as president. I think there's a distinction there. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:22.120 I think more people view him favorably as Barack Obama, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.760 you know, singing al Green and you know, and being 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.560 he has an amazing personality, much like Reagan. But if 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.800 you look at his job performance, I think those numbers 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.480 are lower in terms of people being satisfied with with 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.240 the actual job that's happened over the past seage. Also, 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.240 I think if you look at right track, run track, 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.400 Brian and I talked about that and he said these 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.840 numbers really don't facilate that much. Having said that, I 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.720 think if you just look at some of the things 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.960 that are barometers of how people are doing. You look 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:57.760 at heroin addiction, you look at suicide, you look at unemployment, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:03.400 and all those things are disproportionately affecting white men fifty 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.160 and over. And I think the chickens came home to 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.200 roost in this election where suddenly they said, this is 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.920 someone who listens to us and cares about our issues 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.920 in a way that no other candidate really seemed to. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.120 And so you can understand why they said, we're going 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:25.520 to make our situations and known and our presence felt 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.080 in this campaign. Yeah, and it is significant that he 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.119 didn't just beat Hillary Clinton, he beat the Republican establishment 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:35.120 as well. I mean Trump did beat both sides. You know, 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.280 he was more of an independent candidate running as a Republican. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.840 Why do you think that black and Latino voters didn't 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:45.000 weren't more enthusiastic about Hillary Clinton. I always predicted there 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.600 was going to be this enthusiasm gap. You just have 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.680 to look at the rallies. Right. Well, I believe it's 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.560 a false comparison. I think, um, you can't compare Hillary 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.200 Clinton to Barack Obama, who is an historical candidate. You know, 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.560 we've never had a candidate like that. So there were 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.040 those numbers for Obama You're not going to see for 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.840 anyone else. I guess I was saying an enthusiasm gap 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.920 between Donald Trump's supporters and Hillary clinton supporters. But yeah, yeah, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.640 well yeah, So that to me is about her messaging. 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.520 I think it's very clinical, it's very antiseptic. There's nothing 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.920 inspiring for certain groups to come out and vote for something. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:25.880 They were being more choral to vote against something, and 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.400 cynical campaigns. To me, I call that a cynical campaign 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.000 when you're voting against something, UM, to me, are always 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.360 harder to win them positive campaigns, you know, I also 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:38.360 think that. I mean again, I'm not a campaign expert 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.800 or a political strategist by any stretch, but I've covered 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:46.120 enough elections to know that her campaign to me, seemed 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:51.920 exceedingly cautious, careful and controlled. Um. She didn't get out 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.400 in front of the pressure. You know, she is actually 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.840 a very engaging, warm, funny person because I've covered her 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.800 since the early nineties when she was first Lady. But 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.800 I think there was such a fear of getting her 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.200 out there, and I think as a result, Donald Trump 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.280 sucked all the oxygen out of the room. And you 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.439 never actually felt like you knew her as a person. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.840 She seemed, as you said, an aseptic. And the fact 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.560 of the matter is anyone who's spent any time with her, 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.320 or knows her a little bit, or has had a 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.639 conversation with her, or seeing her in an unguarded moment, 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.600 she really isn't like that. You look at her two 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.840 most effective times as candidate, once in two thousand and eight, 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.679 when she cried in New Hampshire or whatever that was 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.440 she let to her guards, I'll call it, and her 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.679 concession speech. For this, to me, she was she was 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:49.240 more revealed as a person rather than presented as a candidate. 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.280 And it's well said, yes, And the thing that Hillary 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.760 did not do enough of, in my mind, was revealed 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.359 herself as a person, because there were so many things 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.760 that were said about her, and you know how how 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.399 the media can make up who we think someone is. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.240 You know, all I could think of was they were 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:10.640 so concerned about a misstep and that getting focused on 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.440 and blown out of proportion that they didn't allow her 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.480 to be herself. Well, we're going to take a quick break. 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.040 Here some messages from our sponsors and from you all, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.600 and we're going to have more with Larry Wilmore, the Man, 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:38.080 the Legend. Right after this last week we asked you 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.640 all for your greatest hopes and fears for a Trump presidency. 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:47.680 You left us so many great voicemails, and here's the sampling. Hi, Katie, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.000 my name is Ellie. I'm calling from Brooklyn, New York. 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.280 I just wanted to respond said, what is your biggest 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.919 hope or biggest share a boy tru president? But one 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.480 of my biggest hopes is that he'll turn me that 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.520 he will turn the kind year round and we'll see 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.160 more jobs coming back to America. We'll see more economic growth, 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:13.720 and we will see general prosperity. One of my biggest fears. Um, well, 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:14.960 I have to tell you I have a lot of 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.959 friends in the LGBT community and I'm afraid that him, 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:24.480 our Governor Pence, might roll back the lgbt Q right 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:26.800 and I really really don't want to do that. If 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:28.040 they don't have a lot of times are going to 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.960 be affected by that. Have a going thinks. Hi, this 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.960 is Peggy, my hope for the Trump presidency is that 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.280 he will prove to be a moderate someone who will 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:41.440 focus on infrastructure and improvements like that. My greatest fear 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:46.119 is that he will be an insane autocrat. Thanks Hi Brian, Hi, 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.960 Katie Um. My biggest hope for the Trump presidency is 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.600 that he's able to comprehend the awesome responsibility he has 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.320 been handed and that he is somehow able to transform 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.280 himself into a person that can now inspire in the country. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.720 I'm willing, like a lot of people, I think, to 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.760 give him a chance. So my biggest fear is that 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.520 he will continue to be petty and vindictive and dragging 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.080 us all into a world of conspiracies and corruption, sort 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.800 of like the House of Cards. Uh. Hi Katie, Hi, 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.000 Brian Um. My name is Kate. I am in Michigan. 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.760 I think my biggest hope is that people don't forget 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:27.359 the feelings they feel right now following the election, but 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:33.080 they stay hungry, they stay motivated, um, and they stay involved. 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.200 My biggest fear is that young people like my generation 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.080 will stop being involved, that they'll feel like they don't 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:49.280 have a role or a voice. Thanks guys for our 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.920 next listener question. We'd love to hear from some of 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.800 our Republican listeners. We know you're out there. What do 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.520 you think is the future of the GOP. 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Oh I will We're back with 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:36.040 Larry Wilmore. Gosh, you know enough about Hillary Clinton and 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:39.200 Donald Trump. Let's talk about you, Larry. So you you're You're. 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:43.000 You became very well known on the Daily Show, and 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.399 then you started hosting your own show on Comedy Central. 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.240 How did you get into comedy, Larry? How do you 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:53.320 get into comedy? I always tell people I'm one of 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:55.760 those people. I didn't really get into comedy. I kind 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:58.640 of went into show biz. I could get comedy out 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.560 of me, you know. Yeah, I was lucky. There's a 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:02.960