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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. As we speak, we

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Speaker 1: know that the nominations for Trump's cabinet is coming false

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Speaker 1: and furious. Let's get perspective. Kevin McCaughey, from a US

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Speaker 1: House speaker, joins me at this time, speakers, thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us. You know we've had names like Rubio, Walt's, Gates,

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Speaker 1: even I mean, how do you make what do you

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Speaker 1: make off the choices so far?

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Speaker 2: I think choices are very good except one. Look, Gates

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Speaker 2: won't get confirmed. Everybody knows that. But when you look

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Speaker 2: at a Rubio, just the knowledge that he has being

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Speaker 2: in the Intel Committee, I was on the Gang of Eight,

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Speaker 2: and his understanding even when you listen to the other

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Speaker 2: side of the aisle, they say he'll make a great

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State. So that's strong for me. A Waltz

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Speaker 2: just his background from a Green Beret and others being

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Speaker 2: the but John Radcliffe at CIA, former DNI, that's very strong.

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Speaker 2: And the difference is to what was eight years ago. Today,

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Speaker 2: President Trump understands job, he knows the people that he

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Speaker 2: needs around him to get there, and I think he's

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Speaker 2: gonna be much better prepared because he only has one term.

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Speaker 2: But he'll he'll hit the ground running this time.

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Speaker 1: You say Gates will not be confirmed, Why bother with

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Speaker 1: the nomination?

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Speaker 2: Then you can talk to the president. But it's a

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Speaker 2: good it's it's a good deflection from others. But it

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Speaker 2: also gives I'll let us stand there with that.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, just provide us some thinking into you

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Speaker 1: know what Trump had in mind when he made that nomination.

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Speaker 1: Is it a case so if you know you win

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Speaker 1: some looseum it is a negotiating tactic or what's is it?

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Speaker 2: You'd have to ask President. But Gates couldn't win in

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Speaker 2: a Republican conference, So it doesn't matter when you.

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Speaker 1: Take a look at the nomination so far. I mean

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Speaker 1: we've seen you know, China hawks for instance. Is that

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Speaker 1: an indication of how he will approach the relationship is

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Speaker 1: in the US and China.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think for those world leaders they have a

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Speaker 2: relationship with President Trump, and I think they're probably thankful

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Speaker 2: that President Trump won. It brings greater stability around the world,

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Speaker 2: but it also says a very clear message that America

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Speaker 2: won't be pushed around. And also when it comes to

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Speaker 2: economic issues like trade and others, this president wants to negotiate.

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Speaker 2: This president wants to have a fair deal and he

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Speaker 2: can work with anybody, be it the leader of North

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Speaker 2: He's willing to sit down and talking about that's a

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Speaker 2: different approach that I think is much more successful. And

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Speaker 2: I think the world will approach that Putin never invaded

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Speaker 2: I think that will those things will stop as well.

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Speaker 1: So he's open to negotiation. The fact that he's threatening

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Speaker 1: sixty percent tariffs and China, that's a negotiation tool.

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Speaker 2: No. But the one thing I will say what President

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Speaker 2: Trump is saying is why is America's markets wide open

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Speaker 2: for you? And why don't you have China open for America?

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Speaker 2: If not, that's not fair. And he's going to stand

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Speaker 2: for America first. And I think that's a very smart

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Speaker 1: In the world. So, in terms of executive orders, he's

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Speaker 1: talking about how the first day was he sweeping executive

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Speaker 2: Well, that's not unusual for any president. But what he's

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Speaker 2: going to do is exactly what he campaigned on a promise.

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Speaker 2: He's going to secure our border. And he has to

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Speaker 2: put sweeping executives' orders into secure our border because the

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Speaker 2: whole reason why the American border got wide open just

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Speaker 2: to wipe that away. He's going to make to unshackle

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Speaker 2: what holds back America's economy. Okay, so that's from regulation.

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Speaker 2: How can we make sure we get a better place.

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Speaker 2: He's also going to make sure government for all Americans

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Speaker 2: a whole new look that American hasn't had since the

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Speaker 2: and he's bringing the best and brightest minds. I was

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Speaker 2: just texting with Elon was texting me this morning. I mean,

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Speaker 1: You talk about Elon, you brought the two together Elon

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Speaker 2: Your question's all wrong. Who's benefited America? America didn't have

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Speaker 2: that was SpaceX. So people who benefit is American from Elon.

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Speaker 2: It's not the other way around.

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Speaker 1: But some can argue that Elon will benefit from easing

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Speaker 1: not more than seven hundred percent. Surely that is a benefit.

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Speaker 1: Surely he stands to gain in terms of policies easing

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Speaker 2: Well, I take it you never met Elon, because you

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Speaker 2: He doesn't put where he invests. He doesn't even think

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Speaker 2: How does he put America in a stronger footing? And

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Speaker 2: you know what, the rest of the world helps get

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Speaker 2: and I wish others. I mean, this is a president

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Speaker 1: We've talked about how Trump has learned from his first

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's the whole theory of ten thousand hours.

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Speaker 2: He only has four years. He has an unbelievable work ethic.

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Speaker 2: He also knows where he got stymied and where he

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Speaker 1: What can be expected the first hundred days, how will

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Speaker 2: I think you'll be shocked by the first one hundred days.

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Speaker 2: And the difference is this president won by such a

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Speaker 2: And he's got the best minds coming in to do that.

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Speaker 2: And he doesn't have to sit around to have people

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Speaker 2: what needs to happen. He has the relationships around the world.

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Speaker 1: You talked about relationships and those relations whereas the rest

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Speaker 1: Do you think America on the Trump would be a

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Speaker 2: It's easy to say what will happen. Look at what

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Speaker 2: So I mean that's why President Trump won by such

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Speaker 2: I think the Middle East will calm down. I think

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Speaker 1: Lots of investors are keepping an eye on that Treasury post.

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Speaker 1: Who might that be? And do you have a preference?

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Speaker 2: I don't have a preference. Well I might have a

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Speaker 2: personal preference, but I don't know that that matters in

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Speaker 2: this place. But this is something that the president has

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Speaker 2: really studied a lot. He's got a really good team

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Speaker 2: going behind it. I think it's probably narrowed down to

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Speaker 2: two different people, but the president has the right to

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Speaker 2: pick whoever he wants for whatever position, and then they

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Speaker 2: got to be confirmed. But I will tell you I

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Speaker 2: think he is better prepared in this administration than he

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Speaker 2: was eight years ago. The team behind it, and a

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Speaker 2: lot of that gets the credit to Howard Ludnik, the

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Speaker 2: work he has done and just the history that he

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Speaker 2: has from Caunter Fitzgerald, just the personal history that Howard

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Speaker 2: has after nine to eleven. The only reason Howard is

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Speaker 2: alive today is because it was the first day of

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Speaker 2: his son's kindergarten class. But his brother, his best friends,

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Speaker 2: his entire firm gets wiped out, and he rebuilds it.

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Speaker 2: But he rebuilds it by everybody donating back to the

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Speaker 2: families that had lost those loved ones. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: an American story. And so there's so many people like

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Speaker 2: that that are willing to sacrifice their time to make

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Speaker 2: sure America is better and stronger, and that the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration has the best people.

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Speaker 1: And we would prefer for you to express your preference,

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Speaker 1: no no names.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to damage anybody, so I let the

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Speaker 2: president just pick. It's his choice, all right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Kevin mccafey from my US house.

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Speaker 1: Speak of that with me.