Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on.
Speaker 4: These are our stories done dun.
Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast. My
Speaker 2: name is Lisa Traeger and my name is Kara Klink,
Speaker 2: And you know what this is.
Speaker 1: This is an SVU podcast where we break down an
Speaker 1: episode of our favorite show, Law and Order SVU and
Speaker 1: then we talk about the true Cremo is based on
Speaker 1: an interview an actor from the show.
Speaker 2: And like always, our guest is phenomenal and we're pretty
Speaker 2: great in this episode as well, So be.
Speaker 1: Ready buckle the fuck up. So what's going on with you, Lisa?
Speaker 2: I have a question, And this might be delusional and insane,
Speaker 2: but do you think Taylor Swift is listening to this podcast?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I don't, but I don't. I do think it's possible
Speaker 1: that she could one day.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I know she's a huge fan, but I don't know, Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what her podcasting thing is. Does Taylor
Speaker 4: Shift talk about podcasts? Does she listen? I mean, she
Speaker 4: might just be writing songs all day.
Speaker 2: She also does not follow anyone on Instagram, not that
Speaker 2: she would go and follow us on Instagram, but I
Speaker 2: did check. I did check, and I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I think it's because I've been listening to Willow over
Speaker 2: and over again. But she named one of her cats
Speaker 2: Olivia Benson, like.
Speaker 1: Right, and I think that like when if we get
Speaker 1: Mrshca Hargeta one day, Taylor will probably tune in because
Speaker 1: they're like friends. The bad Blood video, I mean, but
Speaker 1: that is that's a great goal. I think if you're
Speaker 1: a swifty out there, please write to Taylor tag her
Speaker 1: about our podcast.
Speaker 2: I only made fun of her one time on television
Speaker 2: only once.
Speaker 4: Well now they're not gonna, oh yeah, cut it out.
Speaker 4: But I know she is.
Speaker 1: I know she is a massive fan and we would
Speaker 1: love for her too listen to us.
Speaker 4: But I just don't know if she I mean, in
Speaker 4: my mind she's always in like.
Speaker 1: An oversized sweater with like a cup of tea, writing
Speaker 1: songs by a fireplace in Nashville or something.
Speaker 2: So I don't really know she's in London right now.
Speaker 2: I think with her man, but also she's probably getting
Speaker 2: her steps in. There's no fucking way that Taylor doesn't
Speaker 2: need to get steps in and what if she is
Speaker 2: listening to the pod?
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 2: I just if Taylor, if you're listening, give us a sign.
Speaker 3: That's it. I've seen you in concert.
Speaker 4: Send us a message from your finsta. I know you
Speaker 4: have one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I went to your show at Staples Center
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty nine tour.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 2: But the funniest part was Beck and Saint Vincent came
Speaker 2: out and I've never seen an arena of teens be
Speaker 2: more pissed off.
Speaker 4: They're like, where the fuck is Selena Gomez?
Speaker 1: You know what's funny? This was reminding me of this.
Speaker 1: I lived in Italy, like after college for a little bit.
Speaker 1: I lived in Rome and there was this enormous concert
Speaker 1: at the Circus Maximus and it was like some kind
Speaker 1: of global like, well, let's all get together. All these
Speaker 1: artists were there, Oprah was there. She came out and
Speaker 1: all my Italian friends were.
Speaker 4: Like, who is that? And it's like it was really
Speaker 4: It reminded me because I.
Speaker 1: Was thinking about it this week because of the Harry
Speaker 1: and Megan interview that was, you know, so huge, and
Speaker 1: I was just like it was really hard to explain.
Speaker 1: I was like, she's like a talk show host, like,
Speaker 1: but their talk shows are weird and different. They're not
Speaker 1: like the same. So I was like, she talks to
Speaker 1: people about their problems, Like it was really hard to explain,
Speaker 1: Like who Oprah is? And I was like, she is
Speaker 1: the most famous person we have. I cannot believe you
Speaker 1: don't know who she is. I mean this was in
Speaker 1: like two thousand and four or something, so maybe what.
Speaker 3: Concert was it?
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a band aid like like
Speaker 1: we are the World type of like it was some
Speaker 1: kind of global citizen concert.
Speaker 2: Do you remember any of the musicians or just Oprah
Speaker 2: took your breath away and you couldn't even focus just Oprah.
Speaker 4: That was huge.
Speaker 1: There were famous bands there, but I don't remember, but
Speaker 1: I remember that my friend's not knowing who Oprah was.
Speaker 2: So I went to the Oprah Show when I was
Speaker 2: in high school and it was exciting. It was the
Speaker 2: Dance with Me episode, so we got to go to
Speaker 2: the movies, get snacks, we got a box lunch, and
Speaker 2: then went to the Oprah Show.
Speaker 3: Sule, this is.
Speaker 1: A fucking this is a dream for you. I can't
Speaker 1: believe you've never told me about that. Oh yeah, j Lo,
Speaker 1: Susan Saran and Richard Gear interviews. I was with my
Speaker 1: mom and sister, but it became dramatic because I missed
Speaker 1: swim practice to go to Oprah.
Speaker 2: And so the next day at practice, my coach was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck you were supposed to be at practice?
Speaker 2: I go, no, I told you I had tickets to
Speaker 2: Oprah and he said, yeah, but you said you'd try
Speaker 2: to make it, and I have had the same personality
Speaker 2: for a while, so I said, yeah, I tried. The
Speaker 2: show went long. What you want me to take a
Speaker 2: private jet to practice? And he said, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm sick of your attitude and so is everyone else.
Speaker 2: And I said, I'm the fucking sick of you. And
Speaker 2: I quit the swim team two weeks before senior meet.
Speaker 2: I had swam all year round for years, and then
Speaker 2: the two weeks before like final conferences and presents and accolades.
Speaker 4: I was just like, go fuck yourself, bro, Well it
Speaker 4: sounds like.
Speaker 1: He was disrespecting you, and he was disrespecting Oprah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jason, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 5: Kara.
Speaker 6: This concert in Rome was called We Are the Future
Speaker 6: Oprah welcomed everybody. Alicia Keys was at it, Is that correct,
Speaker 6: Carla Santana Nur Jones.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh my god, man, I can't.
Speaker 6: It was in May seventeenth, two thousand and four. H Yeah,
Speaker 6: Andrew Bacelli saying Naomi Campbell was there, Angelina Jolee, Quincy Jones.
Speaker 4: We were very far back.
Speaker 1: I mean, like this Circus Bactmis is big, like it
Speaker 1: was kind of like a drinking, smoking, hanging out type
Speaker 1: of things.
Speaker 4: We were like kind of far back.
Speaker 1: And I remember Alicia Keys being there for sure, and
Speaker 1: that's wild.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 6: I remember Quincy Jones too. It was a benefit for children.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it seemed like my Italian friend more knew
Speaker 1: who Quincy Jones was than.
Speaker 4: Oprah, and I was like, how the fuck do you
Speaker 4: not know who Oprah is?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 4: Hannah, she just brought me back to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She was kind of like an SVU therapist that recovers memories. Yes,
Speaker 2: that was wild. Did you cry when Andrea? But I
Speaker 2: can't say his same.
Speaker 4: But she met Andrea Bocelli before what.
Speaker 1: I worked at the two thousand and six Olympics in
Speaker 1: to Reno, and I worked for the Today Show and
Speaker 1: he was on the Today Show. So I was like
Speaker 1: escorting him and he was with his wife, who, by
Speaker 1: the way, was just kind of dragging him around like
Speaker 1: there were steps. I was like, be careful, you can't
Speaker 1: see like she was just kind of pulling him.
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know. He had to take
Speaker 4: him downstairs into this green room and she just felt like.
Speaker 1: She was not being sensitive to his can I admit
Speaker 1: I only found out he was blind this year.
Speaker 6: Hannah, Wait, our engineer just texted, Wait, he's blind.
Speaker 3: Wait.
Speaker 4: People don't know that.
Speaker 3: Wow? No, just Hannah and an Elis don't. The rest
Speaker 3: of the world does.
Speaker 1: So I met him and he was very nice. But yeah,
Speaker 1: hearing him sing is amazing. He's really out of this world.
Speaker 2: And you have you texted me about this, but then
Speaker 2: we didn't get into details.
Speaker 1: So I just thought this might be relevant for our audience.
Speaker 1: I this week had the opportunity to go and take
Speaker 1: a tour of the house in Los Angeles where the
Speaker 1: LaBianca family was murdered by the Manson family.
Speaker 4: It's like a.
Speaker 1: Notorious house in LA It's a for sale right now.
Speaker 1: So I was able to go look at it with
Speaker 1: a friend who was looking at it and it was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, like I just walked in and was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was trying to feel the spirits.
Speaker 3: What's the price? Like is it cheaper because of the murders?
Speaker 2: Do they have to make sure creeps who aren't obsessed
Speaker 2: with the Manson family don't buy it?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I actually thought that the murder might
Speaker 1: actually make it worth more. But it is the thing
Speaker 1: with the house is that it's on a gorgeous piece
Speaker 1: of land, like almost three hundred and sixty degree views
Speaker 1: of la Like beautiful, beautiful piece of land.
Speaker 4: The house needs work.
Speaker 1: So you can only you know, you can only ask
Speaker 1: so much when like you need to do some work
Speaker 1: to the house, so I don't know, like you can
Speaker 1: redfit it.
Speaker 4: I mean it's like I think they want two million.
Speaker 3: And was your friend interested.
Speaker 4: In buying it? They might want to buy it.
Speaker 3: Damn, we should do a seance.
Speaker 4: I know. If they buy it, for sure, we're weig boarding.
Speaker 4: I'm scared, but you know, I really want to meet
Speaker 4: a ghost. I do know that.
Speaker 3: Did you feel any vibes?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I didn't, But I don't know if I'm attuned to
Speaker 1: that the way you are, Like I didn't feel any vibes.
Speaker 1: But I was definitely trying to like picture it or not,
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds bad. I was definitely trying to like
Speaker 1: be like, oh my gosh, like where did it happen?
Speaker 4: Like, because they are the most.
Speaker 1: The tate murders and stuff, you could almost do they
Speaker 1: They've almost connected it to like how people knew Charlie
Speaker 1: Manson and he had maybe been to that house before
Speaker 1: or and maybe he was trying to send a message
Speaker 1: about Hollywood and stuff like that. You know, like that
Speaker 1: didn't seem completely random. The Labiancas seemed like very random.
Speaker 1: It was just like a couple in their home that
Speaker 1: were murdered.
Speaker 4: So it's like so scary to me.
Speaker 2: There wasn't like someone in his family didn't hate them
Speaker 2: for some weird reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't think there was a connection to
Speaker 1: the Manson family in the house. I think there was
Speaker 1: maybe something where he had been next door, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, speaking of next door, there's some house that's
Speaker 1: kind of near this house that it's a retirement home
Speaker 1: for monks or convent or something that Katy Perry is
Speaker 1: allegedly buying. And I've actually heard a lot about this
Speaker 1: on another podcasts. I listened to that Katy Perry has
Speaker 1: been having a lot of issues moving into this monastery
Speaker 1: slash convent that she bought in.
Speaker 2: La but they didn't want to sell it to her.
Speaker 2: I heard she just like, is like I want this monastery.
Speaker 2: And that's that like very veruk assault of her. And
Speaker 2: before we get into SVW and crime and all of that,
Speaker 2: I do want to remind everyone we do have merch.
Speaker 4: And you should buy it because yes, I'm moving back.
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Speaker 1: New York was like sixty two degrees this week. Get
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Speaker 2: Come on, guys, Yeah, and then tag us if you
Speaker 2: wear or use anything, because we love attention. So that's
Speaker 2: all our scoop Taylor Swift reach out. And now it's
Speaker 2: time to dive right into SVU Baby. So this episode
Speaker 2: is Broken Rhymes Season eighteen, episode six. It is a
Speaker 2: tough one, I would say, gut wrenching, but also great fashion.
Speaker 2: So you know, let's get into it. We start the
Speaker 2: episode in a nude model art class, which is thrilling,
Speaker 2: and the teacher's babbling and there's two cool girls talking
Speaker 2: and one of them is like, I'd.
Speaker 4: Rather bang him than draw him. I immediately like her.
Speaker 2: She has a fake tattoo, choker necklace, and a pixie cut,
Speaker 2: so she is alternative. And then the other girl, the
Speaker 2: other girl leaves early for a lunch date.
Speaker 3: So we're like, oh, what's going on.
Speaker 1: And must be a pretty hot lunch date to rip
Speaker 1: yourself away from this adonnis that we're being that we're
Speaker 1: sitting here drawing. So one of the cool girls leaves
Speaker 1: for lunch and she's trying on necklaces and it's kind
Speaker 1: of like an indoor, bizarre type lunch place.
Speaker 3: And I feel like I've been there when my friend
Speaker 3: from London.
Speaker 1: Visited, but I was trying to think of where that was.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've never been to anything like that
Speaker 1: in New York, but.
Speaker 2: I feel it's Lower East Side. I feel like I've
Speaker 2: been there, but I don't who knows. So she has
Speaker 2: a green bomber jacket on gold shoes. She's looking cool,
Speaker 2: and then it looks like she's waiting for someone to
Speaker 2: meet her at lunch and she sees a sign for
Speaker 2: a bathroom and she decides to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 3: And once there's.
Speaker 2: A close up of someone locking the stall door, you
Speaker 2: know something terrible is about to happen.
Speaker 4: And it does.
Speaker 2: And what's cool, it's very twenty twenty twenty one ish.
Speaker 2: She takes out butt wipes and like starts wiping down stuff.
Speaker 2: So I kind of enjoyed that. It's like, yeah, I've
Speaker 2: never done that Lisa Renna's style. There's also a rug
Speaker 2: in the bathroom, which I've never seen in a public restaurant, Like,
Speaker 2: who is changing out the rugs?
Speaker 1: I would wager to say, that's not okay.
Speaker 4: We can't.
Speaker 2: So we see a guy with a pipe walk into
Speaker 2: the bathroom, very scary and he's just standing there, and
Speaker 2: then of course we see a woman in the bathroom
Speaker 2: start to get attacked by this man with the pipe,
Speaker 2: and it's not great.
Speaker 4: Now we are in the crime scene.
Speaker 2: Benson's there, Rollins is there, There's a uniform police officer
Speaker 2: and she hands over the driver's license and the VIC
Speaker 2: is transgender. We find out, like we probably assumed that
Speaker 2: the victim did get attacked with the pipe, she was
Speaker 2: beaten and sexually assaulted and this happened in the bathroom,
Speaker 2: and yeah, is it a hate crime?
Speaker 4: And dune done, it's the fucking credits. Dun done. It's
Speaker 4: the fucking credits.
Speaker 2: So we're back and we meet this mom and daughter
Speaker 2: duo and they walked into the bathroom and found the victim.
Speaker 2: It's a Karen style type blonde woman who is so rude,
Speaker 2: such a bitch. I just hated her so much and
Speaker 2: she's being rude. She's like, oh is it a her
Speaker 2: or a hym? I don't know whatever? Fuck that, like
Speaker 2: just she didn't say fuck obviously it's NBC. But she's
Speaker 2: being so rude, and the mom, like the daughter's trying
Speaker 2: to be compassionate, like the daughter is maybe a and
Speaker 2: wants to help and just sees humans as humans, and
Speaker 2: this mom is like, shut up Sophie and like, won't
Speaker 2: let Sophie tell the truth, and she keeps shutting her
Speaker 2: up and interrupting her, and Benson and Rollins are trying
Speaker 2: to communicate and the mom is just like, my daughter's
Speaker 2: too young for this.
Speaker 3: Shut up.
Speaker 2: But we do get the information that there was a
Speaker 2: guy running away who was black in his late twenties
Speaker 2: early thirties.
Speaker 4: I think he had blood on his clothes. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Sophie says, the guy was big.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know anything else, and Benson is being sarcastic
Speaker 2: as fuck when she walks away and is like, thanks
Speaker 2: for your time.
Speaker 4: Bitch again does not swear it is.
Speaker 2: Bac but she then the mom continues to say it
Speaker 2: was a matter of time before something like this happened.
Speaker 2: Why can't people use the bathroom they were born into?
Speaker 2: Is it that fucking hard?
Speaker 1: I I mean, the idea that people are born into
Speaker 1: a certain bathroom is the craziest philosophy I've ever heard
Speaker 1: in my life.
Speaker 4: Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I feel like we all just used to
Speaker 2: piss on each other in a hut, Like what are
Speaker 2: you talking about?
Speaker 4: Like when they pulled my baby out, They're like, it's
Speaker 4: a girl's room.
Speaker 1: Like no, It's like it's so crazy, like that were
Speaker 1: born with like a bathroom assignment.
Speaker 2: It's just and I feel very ahead of the times
Speaker 2: because when I was nineteen twenty, I worked at a
Speaker 2: hair salon that had unisex bathrooms.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: And when I was in elementary school, well, I feel
Speaker 1: like I used to use the boys bathroom all the time.
Speaker 4: If there was a shorter line.
Speaker 1: I've used the men's bathroom a million times in my
Speaker 1: life and I shouldn't get murdered for it.
Speaker 2: No, nobody should. And this is fucked up. So we're
Speaker 2: at the hospital. It reminded me of Big Sick Vibes.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen that movie, but like
Speaker 2: with the Parents, and I have seen it.
Speaker 4: Yes, you are good friends with the stars.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the victim is Eva. She's an art student from
Speaker 2: New Jersey and very fucked up. She's in the hospital
Speaker 2: and she's lucky to be alive. Benson is clear this
Speaker 2: is a hate crime, and she's talking to the parents
Speaker 2: and seeing if there's any relationship issues, any scoop from them.
Speaker 2: And there is a boyfriend named Logan, and they broke up.
Speaker 2: I got back together last week, but they've been fighting
Speaker 2: because he thought she was seeing somebody else.
Speaker 3: YadA, YadA. They're at Logan's office.
Speaker 2: Obviously he is a lawyer, and they find very mean
Speaker 2: text between them. Very Katie and Tom from vander Pomp.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes when people fight, they don't fight fair.
Speaker 2: But Logan didn't like that. Eva was modeling and partying
Speaker 2: and going to clubs and being super cool, but her
Speaker 2: agency fired her last Thursday from Panda Club because of
Speaker 2: an altercation she had. I want to go to Panda Club,
Speaker 2: I'll be honest. So they head to the bar to
Speaker 2: get scoop about what happened on Thursday and the altercation,
Speaker 2: and the bar manager comic book nerd looking man, he
Speaker 2: is a jerk too. It's like everyone they talk to
Speaker 2: to help with this case is a fucking asshole.
Speaker 3: Like so this guy is like, oh god.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't even look at a trans person
Speaker 2: without getting fired.
Speaker 4: I'm minded my business, you can't even And.
Speaker 2: It's just like you obviously deserve to get fired.
Speaker 4: Like I it bothers me so much, just like treat
Speaker 4: people like their people.
Speaker 1: And then honestly, he kind of he's sort of like
Speaker 1: racist too. He's like, I don't really get into the
Speaker 1: hip hop thing, Like you're like, okay, you are you?
Speaker 1: Just like he's like, I like country music. I'm like,
Speaker 1: so just white stuff for you?
Speaker 4: Got it? Not that I don't like.
Speaker 1: Country music, but you do not. I love country music?
Speaker 1: You like Dolly and Casey. Yeah, but I also love
Speaker 1: the Chicks. I also love Garth Brooks. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like a lot of country, but I don't listen to
Speaker 1: like contemporary country. Besides, Casey, you're right, but I also
Speaker 1: love hip hop like I love hip hop. So I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, this person, this guy running this place, is
Speaker 1: making it very clear who he is.
Speaker 2: Yes, So there is video footage from that evening and
Speaker 2: we see Eva slapping a man on camera, and Iced
Speaker 2: Tea with all his insight, goes that slap looks personal.
Speaker 2: So we go to the precinct and Eva is still
Speaker 2: on life support.
Speaker 3: It doesn't look good.
Speaker 2: So the man being slapped, he was on the guest
Speaker 2: list to come to this party. And the guest list
Speaker 2: belongs to Vincent Love, who is a big record man.
Speaker 2: And guess who plays him? Fucking y Clevjeon, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like a music ceo.
Speaker 1: He's like a La Reid type, you know, like a
Speaker 1: hit maker kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Hopefully La Read is not so evil. Let's well know,
Speaker 2: of course, I'm just saying, let's hope La Reid has
Speaker 2: a little bit more compassion and humanity. And Vincent says
Speaker 2: that he got Eva kicked out for slapping Hype.
Speaker 3: Hype is his new artist. He's straight out of the hood.
Speaker 2: And I think why Clef in this episode is one
Speaker 2: of the best dressed characters and most expensive that we've
Speaker 2: ever seen. It's like cool sweaters, suit coats, patterns, It's
Speaker 2: just he looks fucking rich. Yeah, it's really great costuming.
Speaker 2: He does not give a shit. Eva's in a coma.
Speaker 2: He is the best actor. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's like, hmm okay, I guess that's upsetting.
Speaker 3: Like I don't have the word for it.
Speaker 2: It's like so cocky, fake gesture, fake sarcastic like it's
Speaker 2: it is really loose and goofy for what is happening.
Speaker 2: And he just starts talking about Hype and how they're
Speaker 2: working on this new album and he even made a
Speaker 2: and so basically he's saying that Hype made a joke
Speaker 2: that Eva didn't like and so Eva slapped him.
Speaker 3: So of course they have to visit Hype. Let's keep
Speaker 3: it moving.
Speaker 2: So they visit Hype and a man in a tank
Speaker 2: top with giant muscles and gold chains opens the door,
Speaker 2: and this is one of my favorite exchanges. Carisey's in
Speaker 2: a suit and he goes, so, this is the thing
Speaker 2: he says, Zignia for the says.
Speaker 4: I think he's talking about Emerald.
Speaker 3: It is Zanya okay.
Speaker 2: I listened to him say it so many times, then
Speaker 2: went to Google Translate and nothing was matching up and
Speaker 2: it was so hard. And yeah, so he goes Zania Armani,
Speaker 2: and then Carisi goes Caprizzio. He lives. He lives two
Speaker 2: blocks away from where I grew up in Staten Island,
Speaker 2: and I just love how much they beat us over
Speaker 2: the head that he's an Italian good boy.
Speaker 1: But also the suit is not that nice looking. It's
Speaker 1: like a brown shit colored suit. It's like, do you
Speaker 1: think he was fucking with him?
Speaker 2: Yes, I think he was totally shading him for not
Speaker 2: having a good suit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so so Crisy just came back and was like,
Speaker 1: I know it's shitty, Bye, I got work to do.
Speaker 3: So Hype is.
Speaker 2: Wearing all white and he looks hot. Hype is awful.
Speaker 2: He calls Eva freak and they said, like, go arrest him.
Speaker 4: He slapped me.
Speaker 2: But when they say that Eva's in a coma, you
Speaker 2: can tell he's surprise, shocked, sad.
Speaker 3: There's more to this. They know each other.
Speaker 2: Like he's trying to play it off like he didn't care,
Speaker 2: but we're SV professionals, we know he fucking cared.
Speaker 3: But he keeps.
Speaker 2: Misgendering her and saying he made jokes, and she got pissed.
Speaker 2: So Hype is saying he's never seen Eva before, and
Speaker 2: the man with the gold chains and the muscles says, listen,
Speaker 2: we got to lay down some tracks, so please leave.
Speaker 4: And that guy's name is Cash. He's important, and that
Speaker 4: name is on his birth certificate. If you're wondering, I
Speaker 4: saw it.
Speaker 2: So they're back at the precinct and the whole gang
Speaker 2: is there, and Amanda finds a clue. Someone posted on
Speaker 2: Instagram a photo of Hype outside of Cypress Market. Even
Speaker 2: though he said he was in the studio all day,
Speaker 2: he's clearly lying and he was at the fucking scene
Speaker 2: of the crime. So they bring in Hype for questioning,
Speaker 2: like why are you lying? Why were you here?
Speaker 3: Why you know she got attacked? Like what's going on?
Speaker 2: And then Careesi starts rapping Hype's lyrics to him, it's
Speaker 2: just the idea of him rapping since Kara into a
Speaker 2: giggle storm.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: I respect all of the listeners who have a boner
Speaker 4: for Careesi. I cannot. I cannot myself muster one.
Speaker 1: But like, he just is such a door, like reading
Speaker 1: these rap lyrics, but I get I get why.
Speaker 4: He's doing it. It's important.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the lyrics are like very transphobic and about killing
Speaker 2: trans people and they're just like very hateful raps. And
Speaker 2: then they show him the picture outside the market to
Speaker 2: prove that he's lying, and he goes, yeah, I stepped
Speaker 2: out for lunch, like what's the big deal and CARESI
Speaker 2: does the classic cop game where it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: if you lie to us, we can't we can't do
Speaker 2: anything for you.
Speaker 3: If you tell us the truth will help you.
Speaker 2: Hype is like, I did not touch that person, and
Speaker 2: Ice teammates, that's a great point. He's like, what do
Speaker 2: you mean You're gonna let this chick slap you in
Speaker 2: front of all of your boys and you're gonna think
Speaker 2: it's okay? And I fucking love Hype's answer here he goes,
Speaker 2: you think being slapped is going to demasculate me? Or
Speaker 2: like I don't give a fuck, And I just love
Speaker 2: that answer where it's like you're not going to play
Speaker 2: your you know, toxic masculinity games with me. I'm a
Speaker 2: fucking man, and I don't have to prove shit. If
Speaker 2: a chick wants to slap me, she gets to slap me.
Speaker 2: And so I just found that very profound. And the
Speaker 2: thing is, this market is only two blocks away from
Speaker 2: the studio and he eats lunch there all the fucking time,
Speaker 2: so it could be a total coincidence. Amanda and Olivia
Speaker 2: are talking behind the two way mirror of this investigation
Speaker 2: and they know he is lying about something, but they
Speaker 2: can't figure it out. And then some amazing work from Rollins,
Speaker 2: Hype isn't the only one lying. Security cameras catch Logan
Speaker 2: lying and that's Eva's boyfriend from earlier. He actually took
Speaker 2: a long ass lunch from eleven thirty to one forty five.
Speaker 2: And then Bence, I love this exchange. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm reading into things that aren't there at all.
Speaker 2: But Benson goes, that's not a quick lunch, and Rollins goes,
Speaker 2: unless you're in Italy and Benson goes.
Speaker 3: Well he's not. And I don't know, it's just it's cute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really dorky joke. But it's true. They
Speaker 4: do take long lunches in Italy.
Speaker 3: So where were's Logan?
Speaker 2: Logan was meeting with a midtown doctor and it's doctor Kenzit,
Speaker 2: who's going to do surgery for Eva for her transition,
Speaker 2: but she changed her mind and he was trying to
Speaker 2: get his five thousand dollars deposit back, and basically he
Speaker 2: explains that she was seeing a guy that liked her
Speaker 2: just the way she was, and that she didn't want
Speaker 2: surgery anymore.
Speaker 4: And it's also like, Logan, maybe you should like her
Speaker 4: the way she is.
Speaker 3: But anyways, so they ask.
Speaker 2: If Logan knows who this guy that Eva is seeing is,
Speaker 2: and he does not, but he saw them in the
Speaker 2: park together and he took photos.
Speaker 4: Who's in the photo in the park? Fucking cash Lewis,
Speaker 4: what is going on?
Speaker 2: So cash Lewis they have to go talk to him,
Speaker 2: see what's going on. And he's eating the whole time
Speaker 2: they're questioning him, and I love a man that's committed
Speaker 2: to lunch like this. He is not taking a break.
Speaker 2: He is eating the whole time, and he has orange
Speaker 2: soda and I want orange soda so fucking bad right now.
Speaker 2: So he says that he met Eva in the park
Speaker 2: to pay her out fifty thousand dollars because Eva wrote
Speaker 2: some of Hype's rap music and they needed her to
Speaker 2: stay anonymous and okay, and then he calls her a
Speaker 2: freak and they're all just so mean. I just like
Speaker 2: can't believe that every single person that they end up
Speaker 2: talking to is such a dick. And I can't imagine
Speaker 2: having to experience this constantly all the time, with people
Speaker 2: thinking so many mean things about you. So they do
Speaker 2: find the check that Cash gave to Eva in they
Speaker 2: call it a waste basket.
Speaker 4: Do you ever say waste basket?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I think I just say garbage, but like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: that is that is a word. I mean, I was
Speaker 4: just like, did you find a thesaurus careesy?
Speaker 3: I don't know it's garbage.
Speaker 2: But the check is super ripped up, and Benson's like,
Speaker 2: why would she rip this check up?
Speaker 3: Like what's going on?
Speaker 2: And Sonny says, maybe it's of principle, And we get
Speaker 2: a beautiful fin line that reads just like iced Tea's Twitter,
Speaker 2: and he goes cash the check first and worry about
Speaker 2: principle later. So thank you great tidbits. They're at the precinct.
Speaker 2: They're trying to crack the code when they get a
Speaker 2: phone call that they found hypes DNA under Eva's fingernails.
Speaker 2: DNA does not fucking lie, so we have him. So
Speaker 2: Rollin's is tailing him. He's in the cab and he's
Speaker 2: headed towards the hospital where Eva is and Icedy's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: he's crazier than I thought, and then Rollins trips him
Speaker 2: like this is the Three Stooges. He goes flying, and
Speaker 2: then everyone takes their guns out, which kind of I
Speaker 2: don't know why because it is SV but I got started.
Speaker 2: I didn't like all this gun action here. So he's
Speaker 2: on the floor, there's gun. He's wearing a maroon bomber jacket,
Speaker 2: and I do feel like they matched up, like Eva's
Speaker 2: green bomber jacket from the beginning in this maroon one
Speaker 2: of hypes to connect them. Maybe I'm reading too much
Speaker 2: into fashion, but I think it's purposeful that they're both
Speaker 2: wearing complementary bomber jacket colors.
Speaker 3: So that's just a theory I have.
Speaker 2: So they're at the precinct, they're like, we found DNA,
Speaker 2: what the fuck you need to tell us?
Speaker 4: And then he goes, can you keep a secret?
Speaker 3: For real?
Speaker 2: And then we hear Benson go for real, and it's
Speaker 2: the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. So
Speaker 2: I just want Benson saying for real all the time.
Speaker 2: So he reveals that they had sex, they were dating,
Speaker 2: they were in love, and Icy looks so confused. All
Speaker 2: of his forehead wrinkles are working, like he has never
Speaker 2: looked more confused.
Speaker 4: Icy is allowed to get botox. He's not allowed.
Speaker 1: Those signature forehead wrinkles are too important, and so Iced
Speaker 1: Tea is now explaining to the rest of the squad
Speaker 1: what reputations and street cred are I guess twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: years in the precinct hasn't top of the well. I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny too that they let like Iced
Speaker 1: Tea do that kind of thing, because he is an
Speaker 1: actual rapper in real life and like, you know, did
Speaker 1: do like hardcore gangs to wrap, So.
Speaker 3: It's I love it.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit of a wink.
Speaker 1: I think we know that Finn knows what he's talking
Speaker 1: about because in real life he's a fucking like hardcore wrapper.
Speaker 2: And they're at the soda Machines, which I love I
Speaker 2: love a little change of scenery and I always want
Speaker 2: them eating and drinking more. But Benson gets pretzels, Ice
Speaker 2: gets soda. I'm thrilled we find out it's for Hype
Speaker 2: and I'm a fucking idiot and I just like snacks
Speaker 2: way too much. And the crew is discussing the case
Speaker 2: at the machines and what reputation matters. Benson goes, it's
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and it's like we're now in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one and still nothing has changed. It seems like this
Speaker 2: show is so fucked up in how little things change.
Speaker 2: But Careesi admits that he has family members that are
Speaker 2: probably transphobic.
Speaker 3: Rollin says mine too. It's not just gangster rap, it's
Speaker 3: fucking everything.
Speaker 2: And Iced tee, he's gotta admit he's can used by
Speaker 2: gender fluidity, but we wouldn't expect anything else from Ice.
Speaker 2: And I think Benson's jacket is velvet. If it's not,
Speaker 2: I'm going to pretend it is. So Hype says he
Speaker 2: went to the hospital to check on her. They met
Speaker 2: at a party three months ago and I He's like,
Speaker 2: why did Eva slap you? And basically he ignored her
Speaker 2: at the party because he didn't want anyone to know
Speaker 2: that they knew each other, and she was fucking pissed.
Speaker 2: And then shocker Hype had no idea that Cash was
Speaker 2: paying Eva for quote unquote writing music for him. He
Speaker 2: had no idea. He gets mad, He's like, I write
Speaker 2: all my own fucking music. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: And they go, okay, but why were you at Cypress Market?
Speaker 2: And they were going to have lunch. She was tired
Speaker 2: of their relationship being on the DL and he freaked out.
Speaker 3: He changed his mind.
Speaker 2: He like couldn't go through with being in public with her,
Speaker 2: and so he went to a bar and drank a
Speaker 2: bunch of peach schnapps and went back to the My.
Speaker 1: God, that's a really insane of the day drink too,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: And we always find it funny that the bartenders remember everybody,
Speaker 2: but in this case, the bartender says, no one has
Speaker 2: ordered peach schnaps in five years, so of course we
Speaker 2: remember him.
Speaker 4: Now, that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: If you go to a bar and you order peach schnapps,
Speaker 1: you're getting an old, old ass bottle of liquor, like
Speaker 1: no one orders that. It's been sitting there on a
Speaker 1: shelf for a long ass time.
Speaker 2: I'm a remple mian's girl all I was in my
Speaker 2: mid twenties. It's your day in my day, because I
Speaker 2: used to actually do a joke about it, I think.
Speaker 2: But it's like you have minty fresh breath. It's fucking
Speaker 2: one hundred percent proof. I mean, you get so fucked
Speaker 2: up and you're ready to make out and it tastes
Speaker 2: like toothpaste.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was a big rumpleman's girl in my day. What
Speaker 2: is going on?
Speaker 3: We need to find out.
Speaker 2: So Benson says, let's bring back Karen and her daughter, Sophie.
Speaker 4: And her name is not Karen, but it might as
Speaker 4: well be.
Speaker 2: I just read a statist that no one in Canada
Speaker 2: has named their child Karen since like twenty nineteen, not
Speaker 2: one birth certificate Karen. So Karen and her daughter from
Speaker 2: the beginning of the episode are back in the squadroom,
Speaker 2: and this bitch won't stop interrupting her daughter, who is
Speaker 2: trying to help. Like, thank God for Sophie. I hope
Speaker 2: she emancipates herself from this dumbit. So Benson is sick
Speaker 2: of this woman interrupting her, this daughter, and this is like,
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't know if I was turned on
Speaker 2: or scared or excited. I just like felt every emotion
Speaker 2: in my body. Benson goes, you know what, we need
Speaker 2: to talk outside of the office. Let's go, and she
Speaker 2: lays into her. I mean the hair on my arm
Speaker 2: stood up.
Speaker 1: It felt truly, It was truly like I need to
Speaker 1: see you by yourself, like a teacher in school. Like
Speaker 1: it had those vibes like you're in fucking trouble, like
Speaker 1: Meson wants.
Speaker 4: To see you alone.
Speaker 2: So Benson takes this Karen down into the hallway and
Speaker 2: Legit just rips into her in a way that she is.
Speaker 2: And and the Karen keeps, you know, saying man an address.
Speaker 2: She's a freak. Why does my daughter need to do this?
Speaker 2: And Marishka is like, if you fuck with my investigation,
Speaker 2: I will put you in jail, you dumb, dumb bitch,
Speaker 2: and is like humanizing Eva and is like she has parents,
Speaker 2: she's an art student, her parents have jot like, who
Speaker 2: the fuck are you? And what if Sophie turns out
Speaker 2: to be trans, are gay or I don't know so
Speaker 2: many different things. Are you gonna fucking treat her like this?
Speaker 2: It's just disgusting. I love this speech. And Karen puts
Speaker 2: her tail between her legs and they go back inside,
Speaker 2: and Sophie I d's cash money and remember the tattoo
Speaker 2: on his neck because it reminded her of SpongeBob. Sophie,
Speaker 2: you deserve a medal. Then we get your guys' favorite
Speaker 2: human ever. Our listeners are so wet for Barbara.
Speaker 3: I never knew. I never knew.
Speaker 1: I mean the Barbera Love Barbara Brigade, as Liza has d.
Speaker 3: The Barbara Brigade is real, you guys.
Speaker 2: I feel like more people want to fuck Barbe at
Speaker 2: this point than Coreesian Stabler together.
Speaker 1: Or maybe they're just the loudest. I'm gonna say something controversial.
Speaker 1: I was always waiting for a storyline of him to
Speaker 1: come out.
Speaker 4: I really thought he was gay.
Speaker 1: That's why I never put him in Olivia together as
Speaker 1: a love interest. Like we put a pull up on
Speaker 1: our Instagram that's like, who do you like for Olviya?
Speaker 1: And all these people are like blah blarh blah bla blah.
Speaker 1: The actor is very handsome, the man is very very awesome.
Speaker 1: But I just I just didn't get I got brother sister,
Speaker 1: vibes from them because I always thought that he was
Speaker 1: eventually going to confess that he was a gay man,
Speaker 1: but I could you know that's my own Well, no,
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 2: He's wearing vests. He's wearing fucking vests to court. That's
Speaker 2: a lot of flair. So unfortunately, the rape case turned
Speaker 2: into a murder investigation and Eva died an hour ago
Speaker 2: and she did not make it. So it's really upsetting.
Speaker 2: It's really sad. So they go to Cash's apartment to
Speaker 2: arrest that motherfucker and Cash is bleeding. He is on
Speaker 2: the ground, he's breathing but barely, and Hype is there.
Speaker 2: There's bloody footsteps that lead to Hype and Hype did
Speaker 2: this Hype fucking beat the shit shot. I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened. He did something to Cash. And this guy,
Speaker 2: Mitchell Edwards is an amazing actor. He's like, please, don't shoot,
Speaker 2: don't shoot, don't shoot. We're in the squad room. He's
Speaker 2: wearing a white long sleeve shirt with red blood and
Speaker 2: it's so bright and he has a piece of shit
Speaker 2: lawyer with him, and you could tell this guy is
Speaker 2: not good news. He has like long hair and he's
Speaker 2: just I'm so mad. I'm about to be, like fucking
Speaker 2: so mad that he's not like.
Speaker 1: The fun kind of Jewish old man lawyer. He's like
Speaker 1: a young, douchey prep school lawyer.
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you for helping me.
Speaker 2: And Hype is saying that he got mad about something
Speaker 2: with the contract was wrong and like no one believes him,
Speaker 2: and I also again Careesi is.
Speaker 3: Like, what's got into it made? Which I love. So
Speaker 3: the lawyers like.
Speaker 2: Touching hypes back and leading him in a way and
Speaker 2: like coaching him. And basically he's saying, it's just about
Speaker 2: five percent in the contract. So he signed this contract,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the same day, Eva
Speaker 2: dies is saying that he read the contract, thought he
Speaker 2: was getting fucked over, went to cash his house and
Speaker 2: shot cash because of five percent. Like it's not the
Speaker 2: fucking truth, and the lawyer and Hype are lying, and
Speaker 2: Benson believes him and just wants justice. Benson is good
Speaker 2: and wants to help him, and they need to take
Speaker 2: the shirt off hipes back for evidence, and Hype as
Speaker 2: an amazing body, this great body, best body on s view.
Speaker 2: I would say, I don't know why they put him
Speaker 2: in clothing. The rest of the episode. They get a
Speaker 2: hit on the gun and it belongs to Vincent Love,
Speaker 2: and they go to Vincent Love's office and he's wearing
Speaker 2: a snake Gucci Co shirt.
Speaker 3: Hello, and again, do you have the word for how
Speaker 3: y Cleff is acting like?
Speaker 1: It's he just has like a lot of swagger, like
Speaker 1: he was just really like unbothered, completely unbothered, Like just
Speaker 1: you could it seems like you could throw anything at him.
Speaker 1: You could like tell him that you just killed his
Speaker 1: mom and he'd be like people gonna die, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's just too chill, Like.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's chilled to a suspicious degree.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for all of those perfect descriptors. He's
Speaker 2: like so smug. And then they're like, you know, where's
Speaker 2: your gun? And he opens the drawer and he goes, whoops,
Speaker 2: I thought it did, Like I don't know, it's like
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty amazing. So the gun is not where
Speaker 2: it usually is. They ask if Pipe was there, and
Speaker 2: at that exact moment, Finn runs up panting. He looked
Speaker 2: at the security footage with the door guys and Hype
Speaker 2: was there in the afternoon, and they talk about Eva
Speaker 2: again and Love is misgendering Eva again, saying she or
Speaker 2: is it he? I don't remember, and then Cariese goes,
Speaker 2: you had it right the first time. Instantly I'm turned on.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 2: So then Vincent Love digs into his hateful heart some
Speaker 2: more and legit is like he and iced Tea then
Speaker 2: divulges all the information, says even and Hype were involved,
Speaker 2: tells Vincent everything and Vincent goes, listen, I didn't know
Speaker 2: anything about it. His face acting is incredible. He's like
Speaker 2: a cartoon with his eyes and forehead movements. It's very silly.
Speaker 2: And then when the detectives leave, his eyes change and
Speaker 2: he's like glaring at them, and it's like, what, it's
Speaker 2: kind of how I act when people take photos, Like
Speaker 2: I'll smile in a photo, and as soon as the
Speaker 2: flash is done, I'm back.
Speaker 3: To like fucking anger. This is him.
Speaker 2: Not that I'm angry all the time or anything, but
Speaker 2: I do that though, So they all know that Hype
Speaker 2: is lying about everything. But Barbara says, even if he
Speaker 2: tells the truth, it's not self defense because he drove
Speaker 2: sixty blocks after stealing the gun after three hours, so
Speaker 2: there's you know, premeditation there. So but they do explain
Speaker 2: to Hype, if you tell the truth about Eva, I
Speaker 2: will give you five years, not twenty five years.
Speaker 3: And he says, no, it's a business dispute.
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit, and he goes, I'm not
Speaker 2: a F word, and it's just like really fucking sad,
Speaker 2: and Benson looks so heartbroken, and just the language and
Speaker 2: Hype's decisions and it's just like, take manslaughter, Take manslaughter, like.
Speaker 3: You're about to fucking go to.
Speaker 2: Jail for your twenty years. And he's being handled by
Speaker 2: this bad lawyer who's Vincent Love's lawyer. So he's looking
Speaker 2: out for Vincent Love and the giant record label and
Speaker 2: money and reputation. He's not looking out for this guy.
Speaker 2: And here we learn that the lawyer's name is Hampton,
Speaker 2: So bad fucking news. No, wah, we know a Hampton
Speaker 2: and sorry, but it's a bad name. And he is
Speaker 2: talking Hype out of this deal. And like Vincent Love Orchestra,
Speaker 2: all of this, they knew it. He threw the party,
Speaker 2: he tried to pay her off, he got her beat,
Speaker 2: but there's no evidence. And Barba's like, I play with
Speaker 2: the law, okay, Like I'll get you a warrand, but
Speaker 2: you need to find me proof.
Speaker 3: They fucking find proof.
Speaker 2: They find a tape of Vincent Love planning this attack
Speaker 2: on Eva.
Speaker 4: And like, what are we gonna do to shut this
Speaker 4: woman up?
Speaker 2: Two days before the attack, and now Barbara's offering even
Speaker 2: a better deal. He's like, I'll give you man two
Speaker 2: only three years in jail, so then we can go
Speaker 2: after Vincent Love for murdering Eva, like fucking do this,
Speaker 2: And the lawyer is being bad and Benson is like,
Speaker 2: shut your fucking mouth, let your client speak, and he's like,
Speaker 2: it's not his job to speak, and she says, then
Speaker 2: speak for his behalf. And it's just I love Benson
Speaker 2: so much and Hype just he knows it. He admits
Speaker 2: he knows it. He knows exactly what they did. But
Speaker 2: he's not going to snitch. He's not going to turn
Speaker 2: on Vincent Love. Benson is pleading with him, you're going
Speaker 2: to spend twenty five years in jail while they make
Speaker 2: money off of your music. Hampton is not serving time,
Speaker 2: not Vince Love, nobody you are. And you could tell
Speaker 2: he's conflicted and thinking, and then he just bites his
Speaker 2: lip and says, see you in court and that's it.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's it's heartbreaking. And we're at Supreme Court,
Speaker 2: Part eight. Listen the court. It's kind of classic. It's
Speaker 2: the opening arguments and we see, like we know what's
Speaker 2: going to happen. The lawyer Hampton is basically phoning it in.
Speaker 2: It's the worst set I've ever seen of an opening case.
Speaker 2: He could barely care. He's not really fighting for his client.
Speaker 2: It's not a good opening line, and it's more about
Speaker 2: how good he is at music, Like it's just awful.
Speaker 2: And then Eva's parents are in the courtroom crying, and
Speaker 2: I don't understand why they're there.
Speaker 3: Why are Eva's parents at court?
Speaker 4: Go home?
Speaker 1: It is weird that they're there because, well, I guess
Speaker 1: they want to see if the man who killed their.
Speaker 4: Daughter, his murderer, is going to go to I don't know.
Speaker 1: It is weird that they're there because this isn't the
Speaker 1: trial of their daughter's killer.
Speaker 2: No, it's like, what, you're here to just be traumatized,
Speaker 2: Like I go home, drink some tea, cry.
Speaker 1: I do love them though they were so they were
Speaker 1: like so accepting of their daughter when she came out
Speaker 1: to them and everything and was transitioning and I just
Speaker 1: love them.
Speaker 4: But you're right, they didn't need to be there. I
Speaker 4: don't think they needed there.
Speaker 2: Hypes on the stand and Barbara is amazing at what
Speaker 2: he does, so he does an amazing good job at him,
Speaker 2: and he's like, so you signed this contract two months
Speaker 2: ago and then all of a sudden, on a Wednesday afternoon,
Speaker 2: you decide to just read this contract and go start
Speaker 2: a fight with cash, Like you're fucking lying?
Speaker 3: What is you know?
Speaker 2: It's just bad, It's sad. The verdict comes in murder,
Speaker 2: second degree. They find the defendant guilty, and then Hype
Speaker 2: looks shocked, and it's like, why are you shocked?
Speaker 3: What you knew this was going to happen.
Speaker 1: Probably because Hampton told him, no, no jury's going to
Speaker 1: convict you. There's not enough evidence. We've got a pretty
Speaker 1: good story, like Hampton's in on this. This is like
Speaker 1: if he appealed, I think he could get a retrial
Speaker 1: based on like bad counsel or whatever that law is.
Speaker 2: Damn And so yeah, Vincent Love is evil as fuck.
Speaker 2: We see his face in the courtroom looking satisfied, and
Speaker 2: then Benson on the court steps says to Barbara three
Speaker 2: lives destroyed because a woman named Eva was born a boy,
Speaker 2: and Barbara then says, hype single just hit number one
Speaker 2: and they walk down the court steps to fight justice
Speaker 2: another day as there is a row of red Porta
Speaker 2: potties lined.
Speaker 4: Up in the distance.
Speaker 1: So poetic, you really find you always find the beauty
Speaker 1: in Law and Order SVU Lisa. That was a great
Speaker 1: recap of a very harrowing episode. They've done a lot
Speaker 1: of I think this show has done a lot of
Speaker 1: great episodes about the trans community, and this one was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just obviously very heartbreaking. Let's take a break and I'll
Speaker 1: walk you through the real life info. All right, we
Speaker 1: are back back back again. So this episode Broken Rhymes
Speaker 1: aired in November of twenty sixteen, and that's about a
Speaker 1: year after a transgender porn star named Mia Isabella made
Speaker 1: tabloids in the summer of twenty fifteen for an alleged
Speaker 1: relationship with the rapper Tiger.
Speaker 4: Now everything here is alleged. I don't want to get sued.
Speaker 4: This is all.
Speaker 1: This is all rumors, although it's like you know, there
Speaker 1: it was covered by the press.
Speaker 4: Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is completely made up. But that's
Speaker 1: just my opinion.
Speaker 4: Nothing has been proven my opinion. This is just my opinion.
Speaker 1: Tiger, which I thought was just like a stylized way
Speaker 1: of saying tiger, actually stands for thank you God always.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that either, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: So all I knew about Tiga was that he had
Speaker 1: dated Kylie Jenner, and I just completely never put it
Speaker 1: together that Tiga was first with Black China, with whom
Speaker 1: he had a son. Black China, if you don't know
Speaker 1: who she is, is described online as like a socialite
Speaker 1: and a entrepreneur.
Speaker 4: I don't really know. She's just kind of like a figure.
Speaker 2: But socialites come from rich families, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if she comes from like a dynasty I.
Speaker 1: Know, but I think she's just She would be considered
Speaker 1: like a hip hop socialite because she's been in videos.
Speaker 1: She's just like is part of that community without actually
Speaker 1: making music. She gets name dropped in rap songs like
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's I guess where that comes from.
Speaker 4: That was on her Wikipedia that she's a socialite, So
Speaker 4: what's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiger has a son named King Cairo with Black China,
Speaker 1: and he first broke up with her in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: He confirmed his relationship with Kylie Jenner a few months later.
Speaker 4: She was seventeen.
Speaker 1: They basically started flirting at her seventeenth at day party
Speaker 1: when he was twenty five, which I think is not okay.
Speaker 1: And then in twenty sixteen, Black China started dating Kylie's brother,
Speaker 1: Rob Kardashian and has a child with him. That's how
Speaker 1: wild this fucking family is, the Kardashians. So if you
Speaker 1: can follow all that, but back to the quote unquote scandal.
Speaker 1: In on July sixth of twenty fifteen, while Tiga is
Speaker 1: dating Kylie, a gossip blogger named b Scott dropped a
Speaker 1: quote unquote exclusive with an email they received that alleged
Speaker 1: that Tiger and a transgender actress named Mia Isabella had
Speaker 1: been in an ongoing relationship for three years. So this
Speaker 1: is an affair that actually started when he was with China. Allegedly,
Speaker 1: everything is alleged. There was a possible sex tape between Tiga,
Speaker 1: mia Isabella, and then a model that she was roommates
Speaker 1: with named Capri, who was I guess once linked to
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen. I don't know, I'm goss the gossipy person
Speaker 1: in me is like, that's important. So apparently the plan
Speaker 1: for Mia and Tiga to like explain if they ever
Speaker 1: got found out, was just to connect themselves through their careers.
Speaker 1: She's a fashion stylist, she's a consultant for his brand.
Speaker 1: She apparently had like a really big fashion career I
Speaker 1: think before she started getting into pornography and acting and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And the email alleges that her close
Speaker 1: friends knew all about this relationship, it was not a secret,
Speaker 1: and that they even invited other people into their sex life.
Speaker 1: The blog has a quote that says clearly for her,
Speaker 1: he's been willing to risk it all, having made plans
Speaker 1: to see each other just a couple weeks ago and
Speaker 1: never stopping their relationship through a baby mama and an
Speaker 1: alleged girlfriend. They seem to have a lot of love
Speaker 1: for each other, even as she was being courted by
Speaker 1: a boxer named Jean Pascal she had no interest in.
Speaker 1: So The blog posts that blew this up included a
Speaker 1: ton of screenshots, including text messages and full frontal nudes
Speaker 1: of Tiger, but they were taken down by Tiger's legal team,
Speaker 1: And I just thought it was really funny. The blog wrote,
Speaker 1: Tiger's legal team wasn't really feeling those photos, so we've
Speaker 1: been asked to take them down. We obliged. It was
Speaker 1: fun while it lasted, but it ain't over. Stay tuned.
Speaker 1: I love these blogs.
Speaker 2: They're so well well, it's also just so enjoy because
Speaker 2: usually we're just talking about like horrific murders and cigarette burns.
Speaker 7: Yeah, rapes, and I just I love that it's blogs
Speaker 7: and for all frontal nudes, like it's just it's kind
Speaker 7: of you know, it's enjoyable.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this full frontal nude of Tiger showed a bunch
Speaker 1: of his tattoos. He's very heavily tattooed, so you know,
Speaker 1: it was like, it's hard to say this is somebody else,
Speaker 1: you know. After this comes out the next day, Tiger
Speaker 1: tweets quote the Devil's working hard today end quote. And
Speaker 1: then all these hip hop blogs are accusing me of
Speaker 1: lying and conjuring evil quote unquote.
Speaker 3: Like she's in the craft or something, right right.
Speaker 8: Then?
Speaker 1: About seven weeks later, August twenty sixth, the story escalated
Speaker 1: when some sports blogger named terrez Owens, who like is
Speaker 1: some self proclaimed sports king.
Speaker 4: I don't know who he is.
Speaker 1: Claimed that Mia was also in a long term relationship
Speaker 1: with Colin Kaepernick, and he writes this sounds far fetched,
Speaker 1: but who knows what the world we live in these days?
Speaker 1: His blog looks janky as hell, and he literally just
Speaker 1: states this rumor with zero evidence, like at least be
Speaker 1: Scott's site had screenshots and like, you know, texts and stuff.
Speaker 1: This Kaepernick thing, Like he just was like this is
Speaker 1: what I heard, and like Kaepernick has obviously never addressed
Speaker 1: these rumors. Back to the Tiger scandal, I hate calling
Speaker 1: I keep calling it a scandal in quotes because I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a scandal for a man to be
Speaker 1: in love with a trans woman. I think the only
Speaker 1: the only part of the scandal here is somebody having
Speaker 1: you know, nudes leaked of them against their will or
Speaker 1: without their permission. That's obviously a crime and not not cool.
Speaker 1: But according to Tiger's legal team, the FBI's working on it,
Speaker 1: and Tiger was hacked, so they claim that somehow someone else,
Speaker 1: like they hacked his phone, got these nudes, created this
Speaker 1: fake relationship with this transient a porn star. It just
Speaker 1: isn't that doesn't really add up for me when everybody
Speaker 1: always is like I was hacked, I'm like, I just
Speaker 1: don't believe it.
Speaker 4: But okay.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, another trans model said she was paid for by
Speaker 1: Tiger for sex and that he has done the same
Speaker 1: with other trans women.
Speaker 4: More power to him. If that's what he's into, go
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand why anyone needs to be
Speaker 1: in his business, although we are talking about it on
Speaker 1: our podcast, so I.
Speaker 4: Guess we'll go keep well.
Speaker 2: So I think it's the cheating too, And I wonder
Speaker 2: if he wasn't links to Kylie, if we would even
Speaker 2: know about him out right now, Like I didn't know
Speaker 2: about Tiger until Kylie Jenner was dating him.
Speaker 1: I think it definitely helped. But I also think he's
Speaker 1: won awards for his music. I think people think he's
Speaker 1: really good. I don't know, Okay, I don't actually like
Speaker 1: know a lot of his music, but you're right, like,
Speaker 1: it would definitely not have been as sensational if he
Speaker 1: wasn't dating one of the most famous people in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he would have just been dating and paying
Speaker 2: whoever and doing whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then Mia spoke out publicly and said it's very
Speaker 1: sad that the idea of a man loving a transperson
Speaker 1: has to be considered a scandal when all people are equal.
Speaker 4: She said this to VH one.
Speaker 1: She said, if a celebrated man loves a transgender woman,
Speaker 1: or possibly did, that's news. It shouldn't be news, it
Speaker 1: should be norm for anyone, and everyone's.
Speaker 4: To be allowed to love who they choose. Totally agree.
Speaker 1: Much like the character Eva in the episode, MIA's parents
Speaker 1: were very supportive of her identity and transition, like when
Speaker 1: she came out, so I think she's loosely based on
Speaker 1: this character. Tiger publicly denied it on the radio, saying,
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, who's making this shit up? He said
Speaker 1: on Atlanta Streets ninety four to five when asked about it, You're.
Speaker 4: Making me as happy as Benson going for real, somebody really?
Speaker 1: He also said, quote, somebody really got something against me
Speaker 1: up top somewhere. So he thinks this is like a
Speaker 1: full conspiracy to take him down from a top level
Speaker 1: creating this fake relationship, which I don't know. That sounds
Speaker 1: a little House of Cards level crazy to me, but
Speaker 1: maybe it's true. Maybe somebody is like conspiring to take
Speaker 1: him down. So then Tiger denied it on the radio
Speaker 1: in the winter of twenty sixteen. A couple of weeks later,
Speaker 1: Mia spoke out finally and said that she had lost
Speaker 1: her soulmate due to this story. And this is like,
Speaker 1: this is her finally speaking out in February of twenty
Speaker 1: si sixteen. At this broke in July of twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: So for seven months she hasn't really said anything. And
Speaker 1: she says, quote seven months, I stayed suffering and depressed,
Speaker 1: protecting you while losing everything. I didn't release anything. So
Speaker 1: she's saying she's not even the one that released these texts.
Speaker 1: She didn't release these nudes. She's like, I didn't do
Speaker 1: any of this. I never threatened to release a sex tape.
Speaker 1: But you decided to let the world make me a
Speaker 1: villain and you the victim, and you weren't. She's like,
Speaker 1: I have three and a half years of truth I
Speaker 1: could spill, but I'm not. And she said, but I'm
Speaker 1: not hiding anymore and I'm not crying your shame. It's
Speaker 1: too heavy for me. So here you can have it
Speaker 1: back now. So I mean, there is like an interesting thing,
Speaker 1: like she doesn't really gain anything from this. She literally
Speaker 1: her rep said she has been offered so many much
Speaker 1: money for tell All's interviews.
Speaker 4: She's turned them all down, but.
Speaker 1: He's like, on the other hand, she's not a chump
Speaker 1: and she's not going to stand by while Tagger goes
Speaker 1: on radio shows and says that the whole association is
Speaker 1: a fabrication, like the texts and the relationship are in
Speaker 1: fact real.
Speaker 4: So that's MIA's story.
Speaker 1: I mean, I read a really great it'll be in
Speaker 1: our show notes, but I read a great interview with
Speaker 1: her from Vice where I believe the writer was also transgender.
Speaker 1: So it was like a really interesting story about how
Speaker 1: Mia sort of inspired the writer with their own identity.
Speaker 1: Mia says in the article like the porn industry was
Speaker 1: like a real catalyst of her self acceptance for her.
Speaker 1: She said that the reason that she didn't do interviews
Speaker 1: about this was because they wanted her to perpetuate the
Speaker 1: sense of shame against a transattracted person and I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to do that. And she later said that she
Speaker 1: and Kap were in love, but she made him walk
Speaker 1: away to protect his brand, So who knows. So that's
Speaker 1: the sort of gossipy story that I think this was
Speaker 1: based on. Obviously, no one in the real life story
Speaker 1: is murdered. SVU obviously kicks it up a notch for us,
Speaker 1: but that is the story that the episode is based on.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad no one's murdered.
Speaker 4: Yes, of course, I'm glad no one's murdered.
Speaker 6: I think it's an interesting thing with what you guys
Speaker 6: talked about in a previous episode with like what happened
Speaker 6: to Katie Hale after her nudes were leaked, her consequences
Speaker 6: and has this affected Tiger's life in any way?
Speaker 4: Right, that's so true.
Speaker 1: I mean it's also different politics versus the music, but
Speaker 1: just men versus women, that's very true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and trans or any other sort of type of relationship.
Speaker 2: It sucks being felt like you need to be kept
Speaker 2: a secret or judged in a way, or like someone
Speaker 2: that you love is ashamed of you and you have
Speaker 2: to hide like that fucking sucks.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make anyone feel good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean she stood by for like seven
Speaker 1: months saying nothing, and then finally I think when he
Speaker 1: went on the radio and was like continuing to deny
Speaker 1: that they even knew each other, was like, fuck this,
Speaker 1: And it sucks that people.
Speaker 2: I don't know or I don't even know the word
Speaker 2: like don't look. It just sucks that people can't do
Speaker 2: whatever they want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, like that's my whole thing, is like
Speaker 1: let everybody live the life they want to live.
Speaker 4: I don't. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't affect you that someone what bathroom someone uses,
Speaker 1: It doesn't affect you who someone has sex with.
Speaker 4: It just none of it affect you.
Speaker 3: Like well because in a part of even though Taiga.
Speaker 2: I guess is like the villain of the story in
Speaker 2: a certain way, like he also can't live his truth
Speaker 2: because he's scared that he won't be respected in his
Speaker 2: reputation and his career will go down in flames. So
Speaker 2: even though he's like not being nice to me in
Speaker 2: whatever way, he's also the victim of this. If this
Speaker 2: is all true, you know, allegedly, it sucks all around.
Speaker 1: I mean, and he probably I mean, like, for all
Speaker 1: we know, he has a vinctant love in his life.
Speaker 1: That's like I don't give a share what you do,
Speaker 1: but you do not admit to knowing this person, like
Speaker 1: this will ruin your rap career blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's you know, plenty.
Speaker 1: Of literature out there about like the deep, you know,
Speaker 1: homophobia in the hip hop community and stuff, which I
Speaker 1: know certain rappers like Frank Ocean and stuff people are
Speaker 1: trying to really work on.
Speaker 3: The people are mean.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm obsessed with Little nas X and people
Speaker 2: are mean to him online. I follow him and people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he handles there so well and funny, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: it takes a toll on you and people. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't get ill say awful things to me on
Speaker 2: the internet all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, the Internet's garbage.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get excited for our guests.
Speaker 4: All right. Time for our guests, Lisa.
Speaker 1: You know that we have a quest to egot on
Speaker 1: this show, to have an Emmy, Grammy Oscar and a
Speaker 1: Tony winner.
Speaker 4: And today we are knocking that g right out of
Speaker 4: the way.
Speaker 1: We have a three time Grammy winner, a musical superstar
Speaker 1: sensation who I truly have been obsessed with since college.
Speaker 1: He is working on an animated Netflix film called The
Speaker 1: Prince of porta prince about his life and can't wait
Speaker 1: to check that out. And I bet you guys cannot
Speaker 1: wait to check out our interview with the one and
Speaker 1: only hy Clef Jean. This is fantastic I mean, we
Speaker 1: obviously up top have to just like take a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes and like tell you what huge fans we are.
Speaker 1: Like the Eclectic album is truly the soundtrack of my
Speaker 1: college years. Like we're my friends, and I were so
Speaker 1: obsessed with you it was it's embarrassing actually to kind
Speaker 1: of tell you.
Speaker 4: Came to my school.
Speaker 1: You came to Trinity College and performed, and two of
Speaker 1: my friends got up and sang. One of them did
Speaker 1: the Hope my Name is HOPEO rap with you on
Speaker 1: Perfect Gentlemen, and the other one sang the Mary j
Speaker 1: part on nine one one. So my friends were very
Speaker 1: very Wycleff centric fans beautiful.
Speaker 2: And then I lip sync to the Fujis at a
Speaker 2: talent show in third grade, so we're in overalls.
Speaker 9: So you know, it's real cool about that is because
Speaker 9: it's like, you know, as like a kid, like you're
Speaker 9: doing music and you do them like in sections, so
Speaker 9: you'd be like, okay, Fujis my high school years, you
Speaker 9: know what I mean, And you'd be like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 9: in this college dorm, like you know, what what are
Speaker 9: we going to do? Then we build a college band,
Speaker 9: you know, right? So yo let's just do it. I
Speaker 9: would make it sound like a album. So it's just
Speaker 9: dope that, you know, to just hear these stories because
Speaker 9: the music really connect to who we was trying to
Speaker 9: connect it to.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, we were like obsessed.
Speaker 1: I just re listened to it like this week and
Speaker 1: was like, there's just not a bad track on a Kleftic.
Speaker 4: I just love it so much. It's such a great album.
Speaker 2: But but now we're going to talk about Vincent Love
Speaker 2: Evil that man, so.
Speaker 4: We yeah, we obviously brought you here not just to.
Speaker 1: Gush about how much we love your music, but your
Speaker 1: turn as an actor, which obviously you've acted in a
Speaker 1: few things, but this is.
Speaker 4: The one we're the most interested in. How did this
Speaker 4: come about?
Speaker 1: Like had you like been interested in doing the show
Speaker 1: or did they just like come to you with this
Speaker 1: character or like what was the what was the story?
Speaker 9: Well, for me, it's sort of like I would say,
Speaker 9: like Jamie Foxx, it started for me like that, but
Speaker 9: you see how the acting worked for him and then
Speaker 9: the music worked for me. So that's sort of like
Speaker 9: the role. So when I first started off, I was
Speaker 9: doing off Broadway like that was like one of my
Speaker 9: gigs so I started off more.
Speaker 5: People thought I was going to be.
Speaker 9: Like a Broadway actor because I'm like very I'm like
Speaker 9: my yeah, I tookle you know. I started doing something
Speaker 9: called We did actually a Shakespearean version of the Twelfth Night,
Speaker 9: and we took all of the characters. This is like
Speaker 9: way before Hamilton, right, so I had to be like
Speaker 9: sixteen seventeen and we did a hip hop musical. So
Speaker 9: we took Shakespeare and flipped it like the Twelfth Night,
Speaker 9: and this was like so ahead of its time. So
Speaker 9: for me, I always identify with Shakespeare a lot because
Speaker 9: growing up, like in the hood, it's like you read
Speaker 9: to escape, you know what I mean, And it's sort
Speaker 9: of like with Shakespeare, like you would escape and it
Speaker 9: was sort of like playing a video game because it
Speaker 9: was all these different rooms, all these different sets. So
Speaker 9: the idea of acting has always been in my forefront.
Speaker 9: But it just the music just took it the other way,
Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, this it was just
Speaker 9: a natural thing for me. I like the vibe, you know,
Speaker 9: and I thought that I could bring something to it,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: We loved your delivery of the lines, like so unbothered
Speaker 2: and like chill, and this is like did you work
Speaker 2: on that? Was that natural? Was that directing? How did
Speaker 2: you come up with that cadence and how he spoke?
Speaker 5: Well, for me, it's sort of like so there's two
Speaker 5: forms of acting.
Speaker 9: And it's so funny because my daughter is sixteen and
Speaker 9: I try to get her into everything, Like I was like, yo,
Speaker 9: you're going to be put her in piano, put her
Speaker 9: in dance, put her and she clearly was started bugging
Speaker 9: me that I want to be an actress for the
Speaker 9: past year. What is so funny about your question is
Speaker 9: she was clear she was like, I'm going to do
Speaker 9: like commercial acting, I'm going to do TV.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna and she was like I'm not. I don't
Speaker 5: really want.
Speaker 9: To do theater, which was kind of interesting for someone
Speaker 9: to be so young. So at a very young age,
Speaker 9: I understood, you know, with the camera, the subtle is
Speaker 9: where it works.
Speaker 5: At you know what I mean.
Speaker 9: So for me, it was very natural as this conversation
Speaker 9: because a lot of people be thinking like when the
Speaker 9: cameras is on, if you could transmit I mean, the
Speaker 9: people can't see us, they could just hear us, but
Speaker 9: if you could transmit this simplicity of this zen that's
Speaker 9: what we all are, you know, So it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Before you did a SVU, Like, had you been a
Speaker 1: fan of the show, did you like know Ice Tea
Speaker 1: through the music industry, Like, was there any connection to
Speaker 1: the show like pre doing it.
Speaker 5: Ice Tea is the godfather, you know what.
Speaker 4: We know? We love him.
Speaker 5: Nobody don't know no Ice Tea. Iced Tea.
Speaker 9: I've toured with him before, you know, I've done shows
Speaker 9: with him before, just like a huge fan of his.
Speaker 9: And it's because like of Iced Tea that like you
Speaker 9: don't want to put yourself in a box, you know,
Speaker 9: like he shows you like you could be from a
Speaker 9: rural area. And when it comes to the idea of
Speaker 9: like show business, don't take one part of the game
Speaker 9: it's so big. Just take the entire thing and have
Speaker 9: fun with it. That's what I learned from Ice Team.
Speaker 2: You've collaborated with Ludacris and he's one of our favorite
Speaker 2: cameos on SVU two. Did you guys talk about his
Speaker 2: SVU episode? Do you have lots of friends who've done
Speaker 2: SVU episodes.
Speaker 9: Well, shout out to Ludacris. You know, I know a
Speaker 9: lot of people that have done a SVU and it's
Speaker 9: sort of like a great palette because what it does
Speaker 9: is it shows the entertainer like in a completely different form.
Speaker 5: Luda is very brilliant at what he does.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 9: I'm also you know, we've been in the studio together.
Speaker 9: He's like a real like calm dude, like and you know,
Speaker 9: like behind like talks and the soft and then when
Speaker 9: he turned jumps on stage, he just turns into this maniac.
Speaker 5: Pretty incredible.
Speaker 2: And you were a music exact and you've played a
Speaker 2: music exec in Nashville before. Is there.
Speaker 4: Anyone that you based this character on or that character on?
Speaker 1: You must have met some evil music executives that you
Speaker 1: based this on.
Speaker 5: You know, I left.
Speaker 9: I came from Haiti when I was ten years old,
Speaker 9: and I grew up in Marlboro Projects in Coney Island,
Speaker 9: and you know, at the time the project was ran
Speaker 9: by the mob, you know what I mean, and just
Speaker 9: a little kid barely could speak English trying to figure
Speaker 9: out the world. So I think, like the Feds, this
Speaker 9: is a real story. I think the Feds called me
Speaker 9: hs Haitian Sinatra. So my entire life, I've been like
Speaker 9: like half of my my crew is gangsters. You feel
Speaker 9: like I came up, but you know, I was not
Speaker 9: into that. I just wanted to sing new y'all new.
Speaker 5: And going, like.
Speaker 9: Growing up in the music business, there's a whole dark
Speaker 9: side to it, you know what I mean. So there's
Speaker 9: a whole like mob orientated street side to it. So
Speaker 9: I mean all I did was like literally just channeled
Speaker 9: like one of the conversations I probably heard or seen
Speaker 9: the person come to my room, you know, or.
Speaker 5: Because you know, mobsters are very sinister, but they're funny
Speaker 5: and they're like chess players, like you never know where
Speaker 5: they're going and then at the end you just get whacked,
Speaker 5: you know. So it was sort of like to give
Speaker 5: people and they're very charismatic, like you just be like, oh,
Speaker 5: I want to hang with this person until they hit
Speaker 5: you in the head with a back.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: It was just channeling some of the dark side of
Speaker 9: the music business that I came up with.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Is there a character that you are dying to play
Speaker 2: or you want to play in the future that's not
Speaker 2: a record exec I'm.
Speaker 9: Very conflicted right because I right now I'm working on
Speaker 9: my movie for Netflix. Print supporter Prince oh, which would
Speaker 9: be about the first ten years of my life. How
Speaker 9: you escape poverty through imagination. And it's going to be
Speaker 9: like on the level of the Lion King. You know,
Speaker 9: everyone listening, you hear what the sound of Haiti sound like?
Speaker 5: We plan to give you words to sing along with.
Speaker 9: So I've always been interested in the idea of composing
Speaker 9: and scoring. So what always happens is with the seriousness
Speaker 9: of an actor or an actress, you have to put
Speaker 9: the same amount of time that you put in like
Speaker 9: you know what I mean. It's like if I sold
Speaker 9: like one hundred million records I did Shakira, I did
Speaker 9: all of that. Like if I was trying to do
Speaker 9: a movie with Will Smith, I probably would have never
Speaker 9: did that because the same time that Will Smith requires
Speaker 9: to do that film, I'm required to be in this
Speaker 9: studio if I'm trying to make magic, you know. So
Speaker 9: that probably would have been the conflict. The role that
Speaker 9: I knew that I would have killed that I passed
Speaker 9: on because I was in the studio. I think at
Speaker 9: the time I probably was working with Whitney Houston. I
Speaker 9: think a role came and I knew I would have
Speaker 9: killed the role. It was Last King of Scotland, and
Speaker 9: oh yeah, it was ill because I would have played
Speaker 9: an Ed. I mean, I'm like real good with impersonation.
Speaker 9: I was like going to play an Ed, I mean
Speaker 9: like one of his ministers. So you know, they tell
Speaker 9: me I have to talk in this kind of accents.
Speaker 10: So for me, oh, this is a natural accent because
Speaker 10: where I come from, this is a lot of the
Speaker 10: accent how people talk. But you see the place where
Speaker 10: d I mean come the accent more deep. You see
Speaker 10: your voice going more deep like that. So our auditioned
Speaker 10: for the college, I felt that it was good. But
Speaker 10: then I asked the people, I say, how long you
Speaker 10: have to be in Africa? The seven months? I said, no, no, no,
Speaker 10: I can't do that. I have to be a video
Speaker 10: with Whitney Houston, you know.
Speaker 4: So, oh my god, was that to do My Love
Speaker 4: is Your Love? Yes, oh my god, one of the best,
Speaker 4: one of the best songs in the world.
Speaker 5: Thank you that, you know. But for sure I plan
Speaker 5: in the future.
Speaker 9: But now my focus is as a composer, focusing on
Speaker 9: music that can penetrate the soul more as a composer,
Speaker 9: So I'm very excited about that.
Speaker 2: In your career, you have covered a lot of songs.
Speaker 2: Is there a song you haven't covered yet that you
Speaker 2: want to?
Speaker 5: Oh? Man, I'm like obsessed with covers.
Speaker 9: I think like I might indoor karaoke maniac and no
Speaker 9: one knows that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: One of our other questions on our list is what's
Speaker 1: your what's your karaoke song?
Speaker 4: We wanted to know what's your go to karaoke song?
Speaker 9: God, you're going to trip out. It's yes, owner of
Speaker 9: a lone knee Heart straight high School.
Speaker 5: That's a great one.
Speaker 2: So during the pandemic, have you been karaokeing in your
Speaker 2: house a lot? Is that what y kluff has been doing?
Speaker 9: I definitely get down. We got the karaoke. Karaoke is
Speaker 9: very very serious. You know, when you take the mic,
Speaker 9: you know, we expect you to take this as if
Speaker 9: you are performing at the Grammys at the crib.
Speaker 5: We take karaoke very seriously.
Speaker 1: You've worked with like so many like famous people. Do
Speaker 1: you think there's anybody that you've worked with her that
Speaker 1: you're friends with that would be a great SVU edition
Speaker 1: someone to be a good character on his view?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, she would be amazing.
Speaker 5: She's definitely. She's the truth.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is true, but I read
Speaker 2: in an article that she likes to mix Funians and
Speaker 2: Cheetos together, and then so then I started doing that
Speaker 2: because she did that. I don't know if that's something
Speaker 2: you've ever seen.
Speaker 3: That is actual.
Speaker 4: No, she's a legend for sure.
Speaker 3: This has been incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much for taking the time to
Speaker 1: talk to us. This was amazing. Probably too much information,
Speaker 1: but I did have my first kiss to no woman,
Speaker 1: no cry from the fujis, So in case you're in
Speaker 1: case you wanted to know, at a summer camp dance.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, yes, yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: That just literally blew my mind.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm going to do with the
Speaker 1: rest of my day.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm dead, so I can't do a post more.
Speaker 1: Can you do a post morem on me? Because I'm
Speaker 1: a deceased person and.
Speaker 2: Remix y clef first kiss Kara song, I mean he
Speaker 2: likes I can't believe he just grabbed a guitar and
Speaker 2: started singing to you.
Speaker 1: I'm literally still friends with the guy I had my
Speaker 1: first kiss with.
Speaker 4: I like have to send this to him.
Speaker 1: I also need to tell you guys that while we
Speaker 1: could only play ten seconds of this song for you legally,
Speaker 1: why Cleff actually did serenade us for two full minutes
Speaker 1: or more and fully changed the lyrics to be about
Speaker 1: me and my summer camp first kiss, and it was
Speaker 1: I was like on another planet. It was amazing, And
Speaker 1: I'm really upset that there are copyright laws in this country.
Speaker 2: Like, who else in this planet has gotten a private
Speaker 2: concert from Yclef Jean on Zoom?
Speaker 4: We might be the only ones that we didn't pay for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, and I did take a music business class once,
Speaker 2: and yeah, laws suck and we wish we could have
Speaker 2: shared more.
Speaker 3: But it's our special secret.
Speaker 2: It was really good and I'm really glad I learned
Speaker 2: that Mary Jabel that it is a true fact.
Speaker 3: And I'm not just eating Cheetos.
Speaker 2: And Funians together in Vain, you know, I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to be like Mary.
Speaker 4: That was amazing. No, he is a fucking legend. I
Speaker 4: love him. He's accomplished so much. He didn't have to
Speaker 4: do this podcast.
Speaker 2: It's just like such a nice lesson to see someone
Speaker 2: so huge want to keep working, be passionate, gracious, nice.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like so nice to see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't ever be too cool for school. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what the lesson is there. But what did we
Speaker 1: learn from this episode Lisa post mortem? I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, I guess our huge takeaway is that there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with loving a trans person. You can do
Speaker 1: that and that is perfectly fine, and everyone needs to
Speaker 1: stop being the blonde woman from this episode about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can't wait for a post gender world. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's like such a simple lesson, but it's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: let people live.
Speaker 3: Damn, Like, I know so much pain.
Speaker 2: And this guy is also the no snitching rule is
Speaker 2: not real, Like snitch, don't go to jail for twenty don't.
Speaker 1: Go to jail for twenty five years for a music
Speaker 1: executive that doesn't give a shit about you, who's literally
Speaker 1: just gonna make money on your shit while you're gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, maybe you'll get good commissary, but nothing
Speaker 2: will make up for freedom.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, that it really was like a bad bad decisions
Speaker 1: all around from hype.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, in terms of the real case,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. I mean, the real like quote
Speaker 1: unquote scandal is literally about someone hiding the fact that
Speaker 1: they might be in a relationship with a transperson, which
Speaker 1: is not okay and not shouldn't be something that happens,
Speaker 1: and we shouldn't, like, I don't know, we just shouldn't
Speaker 1: sensationalize it with in media and blogs of like oh
Speaker 1: my god, can you like, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're obviously always going to care about celebrities cheating on
Speaker 1: their on their significant others. We're always going to care
Speaker 1: about that. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, I'm gonna be a
Speaker 2: giant hypocrite cause I'm gonna be like, don't gossip, stop gossiping, And.
Speaker 4: It's like that least I sustain myself on gossip. It's
Speaker 4: my food. And yeah, I guess that's kind of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a little bit of a more,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like the music industry.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit. It's not like an every man's.
Speaker 1: Story, you know, this is there's not I don't think
Speaker 1: as many as many lessons you can take and put
Speaker 1: into your regular life as in some like you know,
Speaker 1: another episode, but.
Speaker 3: I have one.
Speaker 4: If you're going to have kids, be like Eva's parents
Speaker 4: and support.
Speaker 1: Them, Yes, exactly. I loved Eva's parents. They were so sweet,
Speaker 1: so yeah, whatever. My kid comes to me and tells
Speaker 1: me that she's anything, I accept it.
Speaker 4: I accept her for anything.
Speaker 2: If you are dating someone, you cannot pretend not to
Speaker 2: know them in public.
Speaker 3: No, that is a lesson too.
Speaker 2: If you've had sex with someone, you cannot ignore them
Speaker 2: in public.
Speaker 3: You cannot do that. That is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just say, like we all have a
Speaker 1: lot to learn about trans writes and like transphobia is rampant,
Speaker 1: and we really I just would encourage everyone listening to
Speaker 1: sort of just do some research, like think, like read
Speaker 1: about it. I know it's confusing when people are like,
Speaker 1: well do I don't know how to say? They them,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how to do he she and
Speaker 1: they like whatever, like when someone is changing their pronouns.
Speaker 1: You just have to work on it and try because
Speaker 1: we have to do this as a society.
Speaker 4: This is the reality.
Speaker 2: And you fuck up all the time, but if your
Speaker 2: heart is open, it's like it's you know, like everyone
Speaker 2: in that episode was so on purpose being the worst,
Speaker 2: and it's like you don't have to be if you're trying,
Speaker 2: it's okay to fuck up sometimes, like it's but you
Speaker 2: need to be trying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And Now it is time for what would
Speaker 1: Sister Peg Do? This is our weekly segment where we
Speaker 1: point you towards organizations, resources articles that can shed some
Speaker 1: more light on the topics that we've covered in today's episode. Today,
Speaker 1: we would like to direct you all to the trans Lifeline.
Speaker 1: That is translfeline dot org. It is run by and
Speaker 1: for trans people. It is a grassroots hotline and five
Speaker 1: oh one C three nonprofit that is offering direct, emotional
Speaker 1: and financial support to trans people in crisis, and they've
Speaker 1: been doing amazing work for a really long time. We'veould
Speaker 1: encourage you to please check out the website and donate
Speaker 1: or get involved in any way that you can.
Speaker 2: And next week's episode is Sugar Season eleven, Episode two.
Speaker 2: You can watch that on Hulu and Peacock and we
Speaker 2: cannot wait to see you next week.
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