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Speaker 1: Ron Anian four flexes are kind of a weird GIF,

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Speaker 2: They you look at it, they look like a call from.

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Speaker 1: With four wheels. That's square body.

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Speaker 2: Thing in translus, reports the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind getting an oil change every six months.

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Speaker 2: I just work there.

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Speaker 3: If somebody tell me I.

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Speaker 1: Was goman to bed that, no, I don't think you

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Speaker 1: are at all. I think you're smart.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the radio home of ron Anian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 4: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the

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Speaker 4: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 4: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 4: the phone and call in the garage doors.

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Speaker 1: Are open, but I am here to take your call

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Speaker 1: at eight five five five ninety nine hundred and now he.

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Speaker 4: Running.

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Speaker 1: There are I don't know, chinks in the armor. We're

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Speaker 1: seeing cracks in the boilerplate of technology in certain vehicles

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Speaker 1: and certain applications, and one of them, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's in the diagnostics. Diagnostics is a problem, right.

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Speaker 1: Diagnostics is a big deal. You know, we diagnose everything today.

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Speaker 1: We diagnose everything from leaky tires right out up until

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Speaker 1: you know, my engine makes random intermittent power at odd times,

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Speaker 1: and then sometimes it's great, right up into higher technology

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Speaker 1: where my electric vehicle was in an accident and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting strange smells or I'm just worried is it fixed?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: So, diagnostics occurs at all sorts of levels in today's cars,

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Speaker 1: and it's only going to increase. I mean right the

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Speaker 1: you know, as we increase the technology, the diameter of

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Speaker 1: what we need to know and how we're going to

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Speaker 1: fix it increases with it as well. Well, we've reached

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Speaker 1: out to he's regular here on the Car Doctor. Now.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna call it the Ron and Chuck Show pretty

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Speaker 1: soon because we're always glad to have him. Chuck Kincaid

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Speaker 1: of red Line, Redline Detection, Redline Deetection dot Com. So

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Speaker 1: let's just get Chuck up on air and get to

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Speaker 1: talking to him. Chuck. Welcome back, sir. It's great to

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Speaker 1: have you again.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Ron, how you doing right? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm rolling along. You know, we're gonna have to limit

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Speaker 1: our conversation today because you and I could talk for

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Speaker 1: stuff we want to get out. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about you know, diagnostics. Well, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do evs down around the bottom of the hour. We're

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Speaker 1: haven't told you, so skip your dinner plans. Tom will

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Speaker 1: send out for pizza. He'll send you one and he's buying,

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Speaker 1: So no worries. I want to talk about, you know, diagnostics.

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Speaker 1: Is is there a reason you know, the customer comes

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Speaker 1: make it too obvious. Well, we'll make it obvious, but

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Speaker 1: not obvious. It's a it's a P zero one seven

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, on conditions can happen due to leaks

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Speaker 1: Right, But it's not you know, And what I always

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Speaker 1: smoke machines are made the same. And just because you

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Speaker 1: And you make a great point, Chuck, you know, I've

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Speaker 1: I remember years ago. And I'll tell you this real

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Speaker 3: they're they're b CLD. We did a global big OEM

432
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 3: did a global deployment to all dealers last year. We

433
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,719
Speaker 3: have more in the works this year. And you know,

434
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 3: basically what it does is it does it checks the

435
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 3: closure for leaks for our batteries, also for inverters and motors.

436
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: It'll check and help you get coolant out of the

437
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 3: battery loop, to check the battery loops to make sure

438
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 3: you don't have leaks with the coolant, and you can

439
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 3: check the entire system as well. And and then of

440
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 3: course the feature that's getting the most attention right now

441
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 3: is our nano leak technology, which is a very small

442
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,959
Speaker 3: molecule size. This is a trace gas that's generated on

443
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 3: board of the equipment, so you don't need you know,

444
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: if you if you go to do a let's say

445
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 3: a battery lab setting right, you know, and they're checking

446
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 3: for leaks. Sometimes they'll be using things like helium for example,

447
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 3: right to check. Why do they do that? Because you

448
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: know it's a very small molecule size, it's easy to

449
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 3: find very small leaks, right. Small leaks can turn into

450
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 3: large leaks and different applications there. So, but in this case.

451
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 3: You know, you're trying to purchase helium for example, which

452
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: is in global global shortage is expensive and if you

453
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: can get it, then you need the equipment to be

454
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: able to detect it. That's really expensive. So you know,

455
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: if you know, if you use b CLD and in fact,

456
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: battery engineering labs are using these now to look for

457
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 3: leaks and pinpoint them, it's a it's a really effective

458
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: way to do it. It's a clean way to do it.

459
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: Okay, why do I want to use soap and water?

460
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: You knew I had to ask that question. You just

461
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: knew I had to bring that up. Why can't I

462
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: just go for soapy bubbles? Right? I mean I've read

463
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,719
Speaker 1: this that that there are people out there saying, oh,

464
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: I'll just put soap and water on the battery and

465
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: make bubbles. But what's wrong with that idea?

466
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, nothing's wrong with it. You know,

467
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 3: it is a method of looking for leaks. What I

468
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: would say, you know, what are the challenges with that? Well?

469
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 3: Number one, you need you know, some flow out of

470
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: that leak to be able to see the bubbles. Right, So,

471
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: you know, soap and water is only good for up

472
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: to a certain point as far as leak sizes, if

473
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Speaker 3: you if you get too small of the leak, and

474
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: I think soap and water is kind I want to

475
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: say ten in the minus three or ten to the

476
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: minus four, trying to remember exactly what it is, but

477
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: it's you also need line of sight for soapy water, right,

478
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: and then well, of course the last thing is your

479
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: spring water all over this eight hundred bolts electric battery. Right.

480
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 3: So you know, it's an approved way in some OEMs,

481
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 3: but it's not necessarily the most effective way I've seen,

482
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 3: even to the fact of you know, at a certain

483
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: oem using soapy water, you know it would the soap

484
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: would dry and then feel the leak, right, So the

485
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: leak's still there, but it's just it's got to film

486
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: the soap in it. That's kind of sealed it up.

487
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: And so that's how small some of these leaks are.

488
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: And so you end up with, you know, if you've

489
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Speaker 3: got you know, three or four you know, different leak

490
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: points that add up to a large leak, it's going

491
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: to be difficult to find that with soapy water. But

492
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: there are OEMs that that do that today. Ford's one

493
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 3: of them. For example. I'm not it's just on a

494
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 3: mocky demonstrating that from that battery, we actually just used

495
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 3: the nano leak. That was a lot easier to go

496
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 3: check that battery for leaks. And you know, there's some

497
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: other advantages to that. You know, is that another rowe

498
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 3: where you know, they kind of bugged it and they said, okay,

499
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 3: now go find the leaks. It took us two and

500
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: a half hours to find them. Of course, we found

501
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: the leaks in ten minutes. And the battery had two

502
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: leak points, and one was on the bottom of the battery,

503
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 3: like the center of the bottom of the battery. And

504
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 3: this battery was down on the battery table, so it

505
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: was kind of covered, and we signaled along the edge.

506
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 3: And I couldn't tell them exactly where the leak was

507
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 3: because the batteries on the table, but I could tell

508
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 3: them it was in the middle of the battery, you know,

509
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: and their jaws dropped. There's no way, so is it?

510
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 3: There are some advantages to using different types of.

511
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: Methods, right well, And I guess you want to use

512
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: what's the most accurate? Is the word I'm looking for

513
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: because and we'll talk about this more when we come back,

514
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: But you know, the concern becomes the vehicle has been

515
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: in an accident. We have to know that the battery

516
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: case is structurally sound and and and that's what the

517
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: BCLD does. Chuck, let's talk about it when we come back.

518
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm running eading the card Doctor here with Chuck and

519
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: Kate of Red Line Detection. We'll both return right after this.

520
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: Don't go away. Welcome back, Ronnading the Car Doctor. Joined

521
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: this hour by Chuck and CADE Red Line Detection. Chuck,

522
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: and we pulled away for the pause. You know, we're

523
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: talking about electrical vehicle batteries and the little cracks and

524
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: you use the word nano. Did I hear nanotechnology or nanocrack?

525
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: What is that exactly?

526
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I was talking about on the battery cool

527
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: leak detector is a nano leak. We have like an

528
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 3: we call it a nano leak signature air. So it's

529
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: a it's a very small molecule trace gas that we

530
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: injected to enclosures of EP components and from there you

531
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: can use handheld that's tuned to that trace gas to

532
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: be able to find your leak. It's not too far

533
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: off from how you would look for a leak in

534
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: an AC system today with a handheld gotcha, it's similar process.

535
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: Gotcha, It's just it's calibrated for what you're doing on

536
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: the battery. So when you show this technic, when you

537
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: show this technology, and let me just jump ahead, because

538
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: where I'm going with this is, you know, I see

539
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: and hear stories and you and I have talked about

540
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: it here and privately that you know the vehicles coming

541
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: into the body shop. Is it true? You know some

542
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: insurance companies don't want to pay for this test, some do,

543
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: some don't. You know, where does it stand in the

544
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: industry right now? Because if I had an EV vehicle

545
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: and they gave it back to me and that battery

546
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: wasn't tested, I've got to tell you, I don't know

547
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: how safe I would feel putting myself or my family

548
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: in it. I want to know it's fixed. Right, Am

549
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: I wrong?

550
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: No, you're You're not wrong. And you know, I think

551
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: there's a lot of interest right now. Matter of fact

552
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: that we have a little evidence of that actually this

553
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: past week that there's there's growing interest from the insurance community.

554
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 3: And how do you perform these tests? Are they needed?

555
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: You know, when are they performed? When should they be performed.

556
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: What kind of safety risk these are. They're certainly concerned,

557
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: I mean rightfully so the safety risks, and a lot

558
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: of that's driven by like you and I talked about

559
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: rom all the news and stuff for the last year and

560
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: this year, you know, talking about these you know, the

561
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: malfunctions of the battery or even catastrophic events that can

562
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 3: happen with the battery, right, and so checking the enclosure.

563
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: You know, these OEMs they published specifications for the ceiling

564
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: of the those enclosure and especially on the battery. You know,

565
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: you want to you know, we our equipment helps facilitate

566
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: getting that battery into you know, OEM specification, and so

567
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: it's really a preventative method to you know, prevent that

568
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: dust from the water intrusion because you know it's it's

569
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: turning into I P sixty seven. About that I P

570
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: sixty seven ratings seems to be you know, where the

571
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: industry is kind of leaning towards. And what that means

572
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: is it's basically a rating where you know, the sixth

573
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: and that IP means zero dust intrusion, and the seven

574
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: means that you can go underwater with that batteries for

575
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: up to a meter deep for thirty seconds without getting

576
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: water into the into the enclosure, so you know, and

577
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: in watering, the enclosure also includes water vapor. And that's

578
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: why you want to also get these leaks field up,

579
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: is so you don't have the you know, condensation building

580
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: up over time. And in that tesla that you mentioned,

581
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: you know, one one of the things they found was

582
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: rust around the battery of one of the connectors that

583
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: let water into the battery. And so that that's, you know,

584
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: certainly something you want to make sure that you don't

585
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: get you know, dust, water, that type of thing into

586
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: the battery because it can cover it to malfunction.

587
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: You know, I've had some reports and I'm going to

588
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to read one in paraphrase. It it said, in

589
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: a certified third party collision center, you'll find tools with

590
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: battery lift tables, but not many other tools. Some of

591
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: the oees don't want body shops to have certain tools

592
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: for certain reasons. So if you smash a Model three

593
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: at forty miles per hour and the damage doesn't intrude

594
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: into the battery and the car still powers on, the

595
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: battery isn't checked by a certified third party service center. Instead,

596
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: they say it's good. They'll have OEM diagnostic software, but

597
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: the licensing prevents access to the battery intentionally, so they

598
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: could send out a repaired car in a month with

599
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: a battery unchecked, many of which could be compromised. Is

600
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: is it just that the insurance companies just don't want

601
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: to pay for the test and the OEMs aren't stepping

602
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: up to the plate yet or do you think that's

603
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: going to change?

604
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: You know, it comes down to you know, like we

605
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: mentioned those procedures being in place. You know when those

606
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: procedures are used is really dictated, you know by the OEM.

607
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: You know, so and everybody takes a little bit different

608
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: stand right, So you know we have OEMs that are

609
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: you know they you know, if you get a scratch

610
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: on the theater battery enclosure, you're testing that enclosure to

611
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: make sure that there's no leak intrusion, and you know

612
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: you have other manufacturers like you mentioned. You know, if

613
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: it doesn't intrude into the battery, the battery still turns on.

614
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: You know, it's really not about what kind of collision

615
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: it was in or what kind of acceleration, or if

616
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: that battery has concussion we need You don't know all

617
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: those things. A lot of times those are just repaired

618
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: and then you know sent back. Now the battery doesn't

619
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: turn back on in this case for like a Tesla,

620
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: then that would be flat betted to a Tesla service

621
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: center where they would continue with the battery work. So,

622
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: you know, it comes down to philosophy. You know, some

623
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: batteries are more repairrable than others. Tesla batteries are probably

624
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: a little more difficult to repair. You know, to take

625
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: the lid off, you're basically, you know, destroying that lid.

626
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: There's other batteries like that. In other cases, like Ford's

627
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: battery for example, you know the lid is removable. You know,

628
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: the coolant lines for example, or you know, the connections

629
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: are all sort of vile. Right there's cooling plates under

630
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: the modules. But even if you look at a four battery,

631
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: you know those modules are held in by you know,

632
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: there's a clip in the front and the clip in

633
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: the back that holds the module down inside of the

634
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: battery pack. But there's not really designed to take like

635
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: a full frontal impact right in those accelerations.

636
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: Man O man oh man.

637
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: No, it's kind of open right now. You know, you

638
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: know who's going to mandate. What and insurance is looking

639
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: at this, you know, saying, you know, well, should this

640
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: be performed? Right? Because it's a safety concern and of

641
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: course we have our opinion on that.

642
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: But right, and then, and then and then it becomes

643
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: a cost factor. Hold that thought, Chuck, stay right where

644
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: you are. Let's pull over for our final pause. We'll

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Speaker 1: wrap it up. I'm running ending of the Card Doctor

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Speaker 1: here with Chuck and Cado redline Detection. We'll both return

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Speaker 1: right after this. Don't go away look back running the

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Speaker 1: Car Doctor. We're joined. They're closing out this hour with

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Speaker 1: Chuck kin Cada redline Detection. Chuck, can I put you

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Speaker 1: on the spot real quick, because you know I've done

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Speaker 1: that a couple of times this hour. You always there,

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Speaker 1: where'd you go to college? And I got I got

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Speaker 1: a reason I'm asking this. You know, I know you've

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Speaker 1: got a degree in business administration and so on and

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Speaker 1: so forth, But there's another You went to Lawrence, right, Yes.

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Speaker 3: It's in Southfield Misione Lawrence Technological University engineering.

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Speaker 1: Degree and you've got an engineering degree, right, So, and

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Speaker 1: and my point becomes, you know you didn't you know

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Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't a conversation with somebody that's just

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Speaker 1: this isn't hearsay. You've got an engineering degree, you're in electronics.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is all cutting edge, and this is

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Speaker 1: what we've got to do to put evs in the

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Speaker 1: marketplace and repair them properly. So you know, the things

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Speaker 1: you've been talking about this past hour aren't just opinion.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's based on fact, right, two and two

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Speaker 1: has to add up to four in your world, because

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Speaker 1: if it doesn't, I'm sure you you know, you've got consequences.

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Speaker 3: Correct, That's right, It's it's the engineer's problem. You don't

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Speaker 3: try not to make mistakes because you make them. Stake

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Speaker 3: of building a hair dryer that could blow up in

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Speaker 3: some of these face and catch on fire. Right, So right,

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Speaker 3: you try to do you can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen, I think some of the innovation I've

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Speaker 1: seen coming out of redline Detection is just unbelievable. And

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Speaker 1: this this BCLD tool, Uh, you know, it's disappointing that

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Speaker 1: although I guess it's good in a way, and maybe

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe you and I are having an effect

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Speaker 1: because the industry seems to be, you know, paying attention

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Speaker 1: now and they're considering paying for the testing and doing

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Speaker 1: what they need to do, and uh, you know, to

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Speaker 1: keep people safe, because if evs are going to be

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Speaker 1: here to stay, then we want people safe in the vehicle,

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Speaker 1: especially after a repair. If the listeners want more information,

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Speaker 1: Chuck in our last forty seconds, where can they get it?

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Speaker 1: What's the website.

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Speaker 3: Www dot redline Detection dot com.

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Speaker 1: All one word, okay, and I know there's videos up

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Speaker 1: there and all kinds of information so everybody can gather

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Speaker 1: their redline deetection dot com. Mister Kincaid, As always, sir,

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Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure and we look forward to talking

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Speaker 1: to you again. Keep us updated on anything new in

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Speaker 1: the world of diagnostics, smoke ev and anything in between.

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Speaker 1: So give yourself a good rest of the weekend and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk again real soon.

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Speaker 3: Iron appreciate you, Thank you, You're very welcome.

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Speaker 1: Chuck, I'm Ronning Aye and the car doctor looking up

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Speaker 1: saying it's time to go. With a great hour. We

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I hope you did too. Till the next time.

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Speaker 1: Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.

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Speaker 3: See you