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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do a lot to get to. So the

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Speaker 2: ceasefire in Gaza was back off, now it may be

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Speaker 2: best as we can figure it out. We're also going

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Speaker 2: to be joined by Jasper Nathaniel. You guys may remember him.

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Speaker 2: We've had him on the show a number of times.

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Speaker 2: He's a journalist and activist. He's been covering the attacks

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Speaker 2: on palestin means in the West Bank self was lured

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Speaker 2: into a trap by the IDF, chased by murderous settlers,

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Speaker 2: and then the US embassy said, even if you like

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Speaker 2: he is going to join us to break down exactly

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Speaker 2: a lot of interesting stuff.

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Speaker 1: He is a smart guy.

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Speaker 3: I've always enjoyed reading and reading some of his takes

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and put the Crystal screenshot up here on

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Speaker 3: been posting on TikTok, and you can see that multiple

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Speaker 3: let's go ahead and get to the Israel ceasefire and

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Speaker 2: And it's just so clear, Like if you had any

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Speaker 4: That should be completely dispelled.

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Speaker 2: At first, you had, you know, this flap over, Oh

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Speaker 2: Then you have the you know them, Oh, suddenly they

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Speaker 2: Violation, and then they they you know, use this bulldozer

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Speaker 1: That's a national security advisor.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Smotriz said what he said, we will have Jewish

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Speaker 4: Else is going to be in charge? Which is they're

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Speaker 1: I'm not for that at all.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we should occupy, you know, Israel's mass

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Speaker 6: Not me as an individual, the US. I liked it

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Speaker 7: The whole thing is so rubble.

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Speaker 6: So it's not too hard to top that.

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Speaker 3: So he says, a freedom place, you could call it again,

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Speaker 1: You need full blown occupation.

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Speaker 3: You need a US administration of Japan of Germany. And

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Speaker 3: so congratulations.

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Speaker 2: Well, and as someone who's you know, opposed to immigration

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Speaker 2: got room in Egypt. Surely Egypt has its own political

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Speaker 2: major political issues, by the way.

440
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Speaker 4: Major economic issues, like they're not.

441
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Speaker 2: Super keen on absorbing a population that is destitute and

442
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Speaker 2: completely and thoroughly traumatized, Like every single individual in Gaza

443
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Speaker 2: is going to need so much care and assistance to

444
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Speaker 2: get them back to being able to function in society.

445
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just insane what's been done to these peo.

446
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Speaker 2: You can't even wrap your head around a let alone

447
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Speaker 2: the children, the medical care, you know, the lack of nutrition,

448
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Speaker 2: the amputations, and so not only is it, you know,

449
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Speaker 2: a difficult situation when you have migration crisis anyway, but

450
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Speaker 2: then you have this incredibly traumatized, you know, like population

451
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Speaker 2: suffering from all the healthcare anyway, the whole thing is insane,

452
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Speaker 2: Like there's no contemplating of what this could look like

453
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Speaker 2: in any way that's going to be livable for Palestinines,

454
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Speaker 2: let alone just the Israelis have no interest in doing

455
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Speaker 2: anything other than complete war and ethnic cleansing until there's

456
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Speaker 2: nothing left, because at this point, that's what they see

457
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Speaker 2: as a final solution, Like that is on the table,

458
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Speaker 2: and not just for far right total psychos, that has

459
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Speaker 2: become a far more acceptable endpoint for a broad swath

460
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Speaker 2: of the Israeli population. And that's what this administration like.

461
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Speaker 2: They will have to be so focused and committed and

462
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Speaker 2: willing to use all the levers that they have to

463
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Speaker 2: force some sort of an outcome on the Israelis. And yeah,

464
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Speaker 2: it's hard to imagine.

465
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Speaker 1: It's theoretically possible.

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Speaker 3: I don't personally see it as I mean, look at Ukraine,

467
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Speaker 3: we were Yeah, Zelenski comes to the Oval, we berate him.

468
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Speaker 3: It looks like the war is going to end. We

469
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Speaker 3: finally get Putin's summit. Then afterwards we have this grand

470
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Speaker 3: meeting of all the Europeans. Nothing comes happens, absolutely nothing

471
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Speaker 3: changes on the battlefield. Trump gets mad at Putin, says

472
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Speaker 3: I'm going to give you the Ukrainians long range missiles.

473
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Speaker 1: So that's where we were ending up.

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Speaker 3: He actually even said maybe Ukraine can take back all

475
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Speaker 3: of Crimea, so that's where we were.

476
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Speaker 1: Then Ukraine.

477
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Speaker 3: Zelenski comes to Washington, and this is all from behind

478
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Speaker 3: the scenes reporting. We're not exactly sure, probably most of

479
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Speaker 3: it ly from the Ukrainian side. Trump rates him for

480
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Speaker 3: two hours, has a phone call with Putin and says,

481
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Speaker 3: why don't you just take all of Putin's terms?

482
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Speaker 1: So we're back. I mean, I don't know which way

483
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Speaker 1: we went.

484
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Speaker 8: Now.

485
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Speaker 3: Imagine being on the Israel side, right, if you're the

486
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Speaker 3: Hamas people, Yeah, you took the deal. The hostages are gone,

487
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Speaker 3: but the incentive side on the Israel on Israel is

488
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Speaker 3: now they don't even have to care to pretend about

489
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Speaker 3: the hostages, that's right anymore. And I mean the Seaspire

490
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Speaker 3: has been what like ten days, and they've tried to

491
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Speaker 3: break it three times, seriously tried to break it.

492
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Speaker 1: Yeah, three times. How is this going to last for

493
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Speaker 1: two years, three years, five years, ten?

494
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, Israel still controls fifty three percent.

495
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Speaker 3: So and then yeah, you have the civilian problem that

496
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Speaker 3: I talked about with literal like law enforcement. And yes,

497
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Speaker 3: it's great that aid is going to be there. Eventually,

498
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Speaker 3: somebody's going to beat somebody up for something. Who's going

499
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Speaker 3: to do anything about that, You're gonna have cops like, no,

500
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Speaker 3: you're gonna call somebody, and then you're gonna have rise

501
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Speaker 3: of gang violence like that's what happens in these scenarios

502
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Speaker 3: we've had. Unfortunately, we've played it over and over and

503
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Speaker 3: over again. You don't even have to be all that,

504
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Speaker 3: you know, intelligent to see where things are going.

505
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Speaker 1: So anyway, all right.

506
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Speaker 3: Speaking of gang violence, the Jasper Nathaniel journalist, American journalist

507
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Speaker 3: has been in the West Bank, ruthlessly attacked by these

508
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Speaker 3: Jewish settlers inside of the West Bank, basically told to

509
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Speaker 3: fend for himself by the United States Embassy.

510
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Speaker 1: So let's go out.

511
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Speaker 4: By the United States Embassy.

512
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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, let's speak to him.

513
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Speaker 2: We are very fortunate to be joined this morning by

514
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Speaker 2: Jasper Nathaniel, who is an incredible journalist.

515
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Speaker 4: You guys should go subscribe to his substack.

516
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: Infinite Jazz and a great front of the show who

517
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Speaker 2: just witnessed and experienced something incredibly wild.

518
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Speaker 4: Jasper, great to.

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Speaker 7: Have you, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you.

521
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Speaker 9: Man.

522
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Speaker 2: So I saw these videos on social media of you

523
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Speaker 2: being chased down by a mob of violent Israeli terrorist settlers,

524
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Speaker 2: and we can put some of these images up on

525
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Speaker 2: the screen. And you, of course have been documenting abuses

526
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Speaker 2: against Palestinians in the West Bank for months at this point,

527
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Speaker 2: if you could just take us through where you are

528
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Speaker 2: and what the hell we're looking at here.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm in a town called Termisayah, which is just

530
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Speaker 7: outside Romama in the in the central West Bank. This

531
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Speaker 7: is the first day of the olive harvest for the village. Basically,

532
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Speaker 7: everybody went out together as a group because they knew

533
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Speaker 7: they were expecting settler violence, and so everybody drove in

534
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Speaker 7: a caravan to their to their individual plots. And basically

535
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Speaker 7: from the very beginning of the day we were seeing

536
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Speaker 7: violent settlers. The first road we tried to take there

537
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Speaker 7: was a settler with a gun to sort of menacing us.

538
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Speaker 7: But then things got really bad later when we were

539
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Speaker 7: trying to leave the fields and we got tracked by.

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Speaker 7: On one side there was a couple of settlers who

541
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Speaker 7: would not let us pass, and then on the other

542
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Speaker 7: side there was an IDF jeep, and so I got

543
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Speaker 7: out of our car to go up to talk to

544
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Speaker 7: the soldiers because the people I was with were they

545
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Speaker 7: were not white, their Palestinian Americans actually, which is an

546
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Speaker 7: important point, but I was the only white person basically,

547
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Speaker 7: So so I got out in my hands up walked

548
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Speaker 7: up the hill to talk to them. They're aiming their

549
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Speaker 7: guns at me, which is pretty much how soldiers talk

550
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Speaker 7: to you in the West Bank. And I shouted to

551
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Speaker 7: them like we we are being trapped by settlers who

552
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Speaker 7: are not letting us out and we need safe passage.

553
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Speaker 7: And they started saying, what are you doing here, blah

554
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Speaker 7: blah blah. I get so a little back and forth,

555
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Speaker 7: and I convinced them like we're really just trying to

556
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Speaker 7: get out and we need your help, and they said, fine, okay,

557
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Speaker 7: you can come. So I went back in the car.

558
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Speaker 7: We drove up. They told us the soldiers said wait here.

559
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Speaker 7: So we waited maybe a minute, and then the army

560
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Speaker 7: jeep just sped off out of nowhere and left. There

561
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Speaker 7: was two settlers on an ATV, one of them with

562
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Speaker 7: a gun, and a couple other Palestinians, and basically, to

563
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Speaker 7: fast forward a little bit, the other car had been

564
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Speaker 7: smashed and had its tires slashed by settlers, and they

565
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Speaker 7: were having trouble getting out, and so I was trying

566
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Speaker 7: to help that car get out when the videos you

567
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Speaker 7: just showed about one hundred or so settlers just emerged

568
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Speaker 7: from the hills and I just started running. We all

569
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Speaker 7: started running. I mean they originally tried to go in

570
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Speaker 7: the car, but in the video you can see the

571
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Speaker 7: car gets overtaken. They dragged the driver and the passenger

572
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Speaker 7: out and they both miraculously escaped, and we basically ran

573
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Speaker 7: for our lives. And when I got back down to

574
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Speaker 7: the car that I had been in, one of the

575
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Speaker 7: settler who is basically right on my tail, who is

576
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Speaker 7: the guy who you see in the video in the

577
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Speaker 7: in the another video which maybe you'll show, really big

578
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Speaker 7: guy with a really big club. Okay, so basically he

579
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Speaker 7: smashed through our windshield and then he runs ahead, and

580
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Speaker 7: that's a video of him just beating an old lady,

581
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Speaker 7: an elderly lady who had been picking olives. He knocked

582
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Speaker 7: her unconscious with the club and then he hit her

583
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Speaker 7: twice more when she was on the ground, and then

584
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Speaker 7: he kept running and then he beat two activists actually

585
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Speaker 7: to European activists and I went to help the lady.

586
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Speaker 7: This is that scene right now. She has a brain hemorrhage.

587
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 7: Is last I heard. She was in the ICU. But

588
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 7: she had stabilized, so that's good news. But it was

589
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 7: just total chaos. I mean, it was pandemonium. And you know,

590
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Speaker 7: this is funny, funnily enough. This is a wealthier town

591
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Speaker 7: in the West Bank that is eighty five percent American

592
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 7: citizens actually, so it's people back and forth, and they've

593
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Speaker 7: been pretty insulated from a lot of what certainly what

594
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 7: like the Shepherding villages and the Hebron Hills face because

595
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 7: you know, they have money and they have blue passports,

596
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Speaker 7: and only in the last couple of years had they

597
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 7: really started to feel the heat. And I think that

598
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Speaker 7: yesterday was a very clear indication that the I mean

599
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 7: this was a message sent by the settlers in coordination

600
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Speaker 7: with the IDF that you are we will hunt you

601
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Speaker 7: down and will hurt you or will kill you, and

602
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Speaker 7: I will do it on your own land. And nobody

603
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 7: is spared, not old ladies, not American journalists, not farmers,

604
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 7: anybody in our path, anybody on their own land will

605
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 7: be clubbed. And you know. This is like if I

606
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 7: wasn't there yesterday, nobody would know about this, or maybe

607
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 7: it would be a little story. Is happening everywhere every

608
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Speaker 7: single day in the West Bank, and it's it's one

609
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Speaker 7: of those things where it's like, it's really hard to

610
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Speaker 7: explain just how shocking and brazen and cruel it is.

611
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Speaker 7: And I don't just mean like the scene itself that

612
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 7: you know you see on video, which I guess is

613
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Speaker 7: pretty shocking, but like, these settlers have literally stolen their

614
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Speaker 7: agricultural land and occupied their farmhouses. So they've built like

615
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Speaker 7: these nice and when I say farmhouse, think more like

616
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Speaker 7: small mansion. I mean again, these are like wealthy people.

617
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Speaker 7: They put a lot of money into building up little

618
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Speaker 7: homes in they're awa fields, and the settlers are now

619
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Speaker 7: living in them and launching attacks on the homes owners

620
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Speaker 7: from those houses.

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Speaker 2: And in collaboration with the IDF, which is another important

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Speaker 2: part of your story, Jasper.

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Speaker 3: Can I also add a corollary, Hey, Jasper, where are

624
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Speaker 3: all these settlers from?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear any familiar accents?

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Speaker 7: I didn't hear anybody talking. They had masks on and

627
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Speaker 7: they did not say a word, So that's a good question.

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Speaker 7: I mean, they're probably from all over. Some of them

629
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Speaker 7: are probably from Israel, some of them could be Russian American,

630
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Speaker 7: that could be from anywhere. Sorry, Chrystal, can you repeat

631
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Speaker 7: your question?

632
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Speaker 2: Oh I just said an important part of your story is, oh, yes,

633
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: rogue actors, because that's the way you know, oftentimes in

634
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Speaker 2: Western media or you know, Joe Biden's administration sanctioned a

635
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: couple of these most psychotic characters. They like they're they're

636
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: fringe characters, but in fact, and your story demonstrates this,

637
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: they're they are working in collaboration directly with the government

638
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Speaker 2: and with IDF assistance.

639
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Speaker 7: Yes, I mean bigger picture, like, the Israeli government provides

640
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 7: an unbelievable amount of financial backing and you know, political

641
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 7: backing to the most violent settlers, including the actual murderers.

642
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 7: They often arm them, they give them, they they you know,

643
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 7: these settlers, what they do is they peel off from

644
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 7: a settlement and they basically like put down a tent

645
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 7: somewhere and raising is really flag, and then the tent

646
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 7: becomes two tents, and then a little home is built

647
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 7: and something that got controlled this whole area and even

648
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 7: under Israeli law, outposts are illegal because you need to

649
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 7: get you know, authorization to build a settlement. But Smotrich,

650
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 7: what he's been doing. The finance minister in Israel is

651
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 7: offering retroactive authorization to outposts. So the people who are

652
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 7: out here stealing land, terrorizing Palestinians are are getting full

653
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 7: backing from the government and doing this in terms of

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Speaker 7: the IDF. Well, listen, the most generous reading for what

655
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Speaker 7: happened yesterday, just for you know, to to give them

656
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Speaker 7: the benefit of the doubt, is that they really fucked up.

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Speaker 7: They sorry, excuse my language, but they didn't okay, they

658
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 7: didn't know that there were one hundred settlers hiding just

659
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 7: you know, in the trees. And maybe they thought that

660
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Speaker 7: the two settlers that were already there, you know, even

661
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 7: though one had a gun, they thought, I'll probably just

662
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 7: leave on his And it was just like they messed

663
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Speaker 7: up and they left us to get attacked. My experience

664
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Speaker 7: was that they led us up, left and then immediately

665
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Speaker 7: the settlers came out from the hills and chased me

666
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Speaker 7: and chased us. And I want to also say, like

667
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Speaker 7: two weeks ago I wrote a story about Palestinian Americans

668
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 7: who have been killed in the West Bank, and I

669
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 7: went with their families to Washington, d C. As they,

670
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 7: you know, in a completely futile effort, sought accountability. And

671
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Speaker 7: a number of those kids who were killed have been

672
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Speaker 7: killed right around where I am, because again, this is

673
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Speaker 7: where a lot of the Americans live. So so right

674
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Speaker 7: now I'm staying at the house of Mohammed Ibrahim, who

675
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Speaker 7: is the sixteen year old Palestinian American who's currently in

676
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 7: is really military detention. He's been there for over eight

677
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 7: months now. His first cousin is se Fla Mussela, who

678
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Speaker 7: was beaten to death by a band of settlers, probably

679
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Speaker 7: exactly like the ones that were chasing me, could even

680
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Speaker 7: be some of the same people. About a couple kilometers

681
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Speaker 7: away from here is where Fla was beaten to death.

682
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Speaker 7: Telfiek was shot dead by an Israeli sniper about a

683
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Speaker 7: five minute drive from here. So I mean, we I

684
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Speaker 7: am really in the heart of where the Americans are

685
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 7: are are killed, the Palestinian Americans are killed, and you know,

686
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Speaker 7: so what what we witnessed yesterday, or what I witnessed yesterday,

687
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 7: this is what happens here. This is what they do.

688
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, it's a it's a lynch mob.

689
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 7: And and I'll tell you they're terrifying. I mean, these

690
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 7: guys are terrifying, and they have guns, and people know

691
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 7: they are not afraid to kill, and they're not afraid

692
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Speaker 7: to club old ladies, and so it is it's quite

693
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Speaker 7: effective what they do. Now, I'll just add the residents

694
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Speaker 7: of these towns also understand that not only do they

695
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 7: want to get to their olive trees because it's you know,

696
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 7: in part, it's their livelihood. There's other places I should

697
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 7: say they are much more dependent on their oblives. Here

698
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 7: since there's a little more money, it's a little bit

699
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 7: less so, but there's still a deep symbolic value. But

700
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Speaker 7: what they think is that if they stop going out

701
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 7: into the fields and they let the settlers just run

702
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 7: the hills, they'll be coming for the village next. Settlers

703
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 7: famously are never satisfied. They get all the agriculture in

704
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 7: and then what they're going to see is a lot

705
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Speaker 7: of beautiful homes.

706
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Speaker 3: And they're going to go for the I do want

707
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: to make sure, I mean, I think you know, your

708
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: testimony is incredible. I also do want to make sure

709
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Speaker 3: we talk about the role of the US embassy here.

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Speaker 3: Can we put B to B please on the screen,

711
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: just to show your exchange text message exchange here with

712
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Speaker 3: the US embassy. You said, we've talked about We've told

713
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Speaker 3: these relies that they plan. You say, we need American protection.

714
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Speaker 3: We are Americans. You repeatedly say, I am an American tourist.

715
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Speaker 3: Can you protect me? And they say, no, the protection

716
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 3: of American citizens the responsibility the host nation government. You reply,

717
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: are you implying the Israelly government will protect me and

718
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: other Americans here?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: The IDF directly led us into an ambush and they reply,

721
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Speaker 3: that is what is supposed to happen. Yeah, so effectively

722
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: they told you dropped dead. They said, we will do

723
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Speaker 3: absolutely nothing for you. You know, you are a United States citizen.

724
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Speaker 3: You are also in the home of people who have

725
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Speaker 3: duels or I guess American citizenship. You're in a village

726
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Speaker 3: with a lot of American citizen and these people are

727
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Speaker 3: being left completely completely out there by their own government.

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Speaker 7: There's sixty thousand Pelstinian Americans in the West Bank, and

729
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 7: most of them are in this area, and they get zero,

730
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Speaker 7: zero protection from the United States, from the State Department.

731
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Speaker 7: And you know, if you if you look at those

732
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 7: text messages. He says to me, it's the host nation's

733
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 7: responsibility to protect American Taurus. And if they don't do it,

734
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Speaker 7: we pull our embassy from there, like we did with

735
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Speaker 7: Syria and with Venezuela, and I think Yemen. So and

736
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Speaker 7: then he acknowledges Israel is actually failing to protect Americans.

737
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Speaker 7: So by his logic, they should have pulled the embassy

738
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Speaker 7: out of Jerusalem. But instead, of course, you know, Huckabee

739
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 7: is as close as ever with Nan Yahoo, and I

740
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 7: do not believe we're considering pulling out the embassy. So look,

741
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Speaker 7: I don't need to explain the just like gross double

742
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 7: standards with America's kid gloves that I use with Israel,

743
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 7: or just the relationship. But I have to say, you know,

744
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 7: I was not subtle there. I told them before that exchange.

745
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 7: We spoke on the phone and I said to it

746
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Speaker 7: he had seen the video. I can't reveal the guy's

747
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 7: name because it was off the record, but I said, listen, man,

748
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 7: I was very close to being killed. Like if those

749
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Speaker 7: guys caught me. We saw what they did with the

750
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Speaker 7: old lady, what do you think they would have done

751
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 7: with me? And I'm going back out to the fields

752
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Speaker 7: tomorrow to document it and I need you to protect me,

753
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 7: and they said no. So there it is.

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Speaker 2: I want to put before up on the screen to

755
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Speaker 2: your point about like there are no safe places, save people, nothing.

756
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Speaker 2: So this is this Christian village that Huckabee had previously

757
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: made a big deal about and gone to visit and

758
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: now being attacked also by Israeli saddlers. I saw a

759
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: video in this you know, you were speaking to someone

760
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Speaker 2: the same about like for people who don't know, you know,

761
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Speaker 2: a long time activist practice has been to as a

762
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Speaker 2: Westerner or white person or an American to be present

763
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Speaker 2: during the harvest during other critical times, because there was

764
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Speaker 2: a sense that like, okay, well they won't murder the

765
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Speaker 2: American journalist, surely, so this will provide some level of

766
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Speaker 2: protection to the Palestinians, or they won't murder the European activist,

767
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: so this will provide some level of protection. And that

768
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Speaker 2: that thinking like that is no longer the case. Anyone

769
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Speaker 2: and everything is a target. There's total impunity.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like they know that they could they could have

772
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Speaker 2: murdered that old lady and there would never be any

773
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Speaker 2: they would never be tried for it.

774
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Speaker 4: They certainly wouldn't be convicted for it.

775
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Speaker 2: There would be no justice from the Israeli justice system

776
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Speaker 2: for anyone who is other than you know, a Jewish Israeli.

777
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: So is that your experience as well, that you know

778
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: American journalists or European activists, they are now just as

779
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Speaker 2: much a target and nothing is off the table in

780
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Speaker 2: the way that perhaps they used to be.

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Speaker 7: It's funny because right before this, well, to answer your question, yes,

782
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 7: that's always been my experience. But however, just before this,

783
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 7: I was back in the Alba fields and I actually

784
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 7: just posted this video on Twitter immediately before coming on.

785
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 7: I was back in the fields on the exactly where

786
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 7: I was attacked yesterday, exactly where the old woman was

787
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 7: clubbed yesterday. And it's a peaceful day there. There's no

788
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 7: settlers around, and the idea is patrolling and going up

789
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Speaker 7: to the olive farmers and asking if they're okay or

790
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Speaker 7: if they need anything. Now do I think sincere No.

791
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Speaker 7: Do I think it's gonna last forever? Absolutely not. But

792
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 7: it's very clear why this is happening. And I know

793
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Speaker 7: for a fact because as I was there, a police

794
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Speaker 7: commander appointed to me. He recognized me from the video.

795
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 7: He wanted to talk to me. They're doing the you know,

796
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 7: I'm gonna call the charade of an investigation. Maybe they

797
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 7: can prove me wrong.

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Speaker 3: You know.

799
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Speaker 7: They insisted that they're taking it very seriously. They were

800
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 7: also so disturbed by the video of me getting chased

801
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 7: and the old way to getting hit. They're gonna go

802
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 7: after that man and get him. And I said to them, look,

803
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 7: prove me wrong. You know, I've never seen it happen.

804
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 7: I just came from Masafriyata where Aude Hatheline was murdered

805
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 7: by Yenon Levy. You know, Levy is still walking free.

806
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 7: He's still doing construction there. Violence settlers don't get arrested.

807
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 7: Prove me wrong. So look, do I think that what

808
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 7: happened yesterday and the coverage of it is going to

809
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 7: you know, change everything. Absolutely not. But but my point

810
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 7: is it does show that the Israeli government or the

811
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 7: Israeli military or both, they are responsive to to this

812
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 7: kind of thing. Now, we've all watched what they've done

813
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 7: in Gaza for the last two years. Obviously, you know,

814
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 7: they've they've committed just horrific genocide and have largely just

815
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 7: like batted away, you know, shamelessly battered away every accusation

816
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 7: against them. But in this case, it could not have

817
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 7: been more clear that the fact that all these people

818
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 7: saw what happened is why they had safe day of

819
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 7: harvesting their alives today. And so I think that, you know,

820
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 7: there's a balance between wanting to fully acknowledge what you're saying, Crystal,

821
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 7: which is that the settlers, the violence settlers, act with

822
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 7: complete impunity. But there is evidence that if we showed

823
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 7: the world the kind of violence and brutality that they're facing,

824
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 7: you know, maybe they'll have a day of good harvesting,

825
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Speaker 7: which is some pressure.

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Speaker 4: That's an important point.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, everybody needs to subscribe to Jasper, Subsidak,

828
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: Infinite Jazz over at Substak and Jasper.

829
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Speaker 4: Please please be safe, and.

830
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Speaker 2: You know we really appreciate your work and your physical

831
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Speaker 2: and intellectual courage.

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Speaker 7: Good to see you, man, thanks for having me.

833
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: Turning down to Venezuela, some very troubling stuff. A new

834
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: statement from the president saying that Maduro offered everything, but

835
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Speaker 3: that that's not enough.

836
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Speaker 1: Let's take a lesson.

837
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Speaker 8: Madudo offered everything in his country, all their natural resources.

838
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: He even recorded message in English recently offering mediation.

839
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Speaker 8: He has offered everything.

840
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 6: He's offered everything. You're right, you know why, because he

841
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 6: doesn't want to fuck around with the United States.

842
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Then take it, take the take the deal. All right,

843
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: it's a good deal.

844
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: We get some oil, they get through some sanctions, relief,

845
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: we all move on with our lives. There's no more

846
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: Venezuelan migrants trekking their way to the United States.

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Speaker 1: I like it. It's a good deal. And instead, I have.

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Speaker 3: No idea what has pervaded this. I would really love

849
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 3: and this I'm not trying to say. I'm not trying

850
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Speaker 3: to blame not blame Trump, but something in his information

851
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: environment has changed, or at least around Venezuela. Because remember,

852
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: this is the administration which had Rick Grennell, who, by

853
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: the way, is one of the better members of the administration.

854
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: He's the guy who he's the US Special hostage Envoy.

855
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: He negotiated with Maduro for the release of some citizens.

856
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: He was directly engaging with Maduro apparently about some future deal.

857
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 1: Things were actually on the right track. But then here's

858
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Speaker 1: what happened.

859
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Speaker 3: Mike Waltz, the retard in chief of the National Security Council,

860
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: got himself fired. Marco Rubio got himself selected for the

861
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Speaker 3: National Security Advisor, the first person since Kissinger to be

862
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: the dual NSA Secretary of State. He runs American foreign

863
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Speaker 3: policy to a degree again not seen since the Kissinger days.

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Speaker 1: And I warned about this from day one.

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Speaker 3: I was like, guys Rubio, because everyone said, guys Sacker,

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Speaker 3: don't worry about it. Rubio is a reform neo Khan.

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Speaker 3: I said, maybe maybe on Ukraine, or at the very

868
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Speaker 3: least not reform. He'll listen to what he's told on Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: he'll listen to what he's told on other areas. But

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Speaker 3: I and I again Bookmarket, you can go watch what

871
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Speaker 3: I said on the lectury in podcast, I was like,

872
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: what I am deeply worried about is Venezuela. It's an issue,

873
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: which I know because I know the South Florida. Floridians.

874
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: They're obsessed. It's monomoniacal. And they don't have the requisite

875
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 3: level of pushback in Washington because we haven't seen these

876
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: psychos in power since the nineteen eighties, so everyone's kind

877
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: of forgotten how obsessed they are with Latin America.

878
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: I knew the political constituency.

879
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: He's the guy who'd been pushing for regime change in

880
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, the whole Hawangai Do situation. He posted that

881
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 3: photo of Gaddafi next to Maduro, like this is deep

882
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 3: for him for his ideology. So he comes into power

883
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 3: and immediately somehow has convinced Trump again despite the fact

884
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: there's no data that Maduro is like the chief ventanyl

885
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: smuggler of Latin America, which no, it's called Mexico. It's

886
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: the Mexican drug cartels. Those are the people who are

887
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: sending ventanyl here, has nothing to do with Venezuela. And

888
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: yet he's somehow convinced him that this is the number

889
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: one fentanyl smuggler of the United States. Now we're bombing

890
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: all this Caribbean, you know, the Caribbean waters, International waters,

891
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 3: doing all these crazy drone strikes, which I think Trump

892
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: makes him feel good right to do that. But the

893
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: thing is is that there's a far cry between that

894
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 3: now green lighting the CIA regime changeops, which he covered

895
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: our last show, and then also now openly demanding basically

896
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: his removal from power, like we are if you and

897
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: we're going to about to go through all the other

898
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 3: stuff with the with the military.

899
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: The media is not taking this stuff seriously.

900
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: This is genuinely the closest that we have come to

901
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: actual legit regime change wark probably since you Rock, and

902
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 3: I think everybody is just everybody just kind of thinks

903
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: it won't happen.

904
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: It's like the.

905
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: Pieces are all there, guys, it's like December two over here,

906
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: except nobody is on Fox News or nobody frankly in

907
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 3: the legitimate media. They're you know, trying to They're pointing

908
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: out the different chest pieces as if they're individual. Right,

909
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 3: US admiral fired drone strike. You're like, no, put the totality.

910
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: Look at where things are going, Like we're looking to

911
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: the checkmate scenario.

912
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 4: They're very bad at that in general.

913
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: And I mean part of what is so troubling about

914
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: what Trump says there about like, yeah, they offered us

915
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: everything is because I think the reasonable cope would be like, oh,

916
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: he's just doing all this to pressure them to get

917
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: some kind of a deal. So if you're saying, like, oh, no,

918
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 2: they offered me the deal of my dreams, but I'm

919
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 2: still I'm still going to bomb random I'm still gonna

920
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: authorize the CIA to do covert regime change, like then

921
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: there's no off ramp. Like if he offered you, quote

922
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 2: unquote everything and you're still moving forward, that is an incredibly,

923
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: incredibly dire indication.

924
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know. I've been trying to think.

925
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: About this too, because there are pieces of it that

926
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: don't totally make sense.

927
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: So I think you're right.

928
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: I think in this administration in particular, some of these

929
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: characters have realized that Trump isn't going to check what

930
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: they say, so they can just tell them they and

931
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: they have seem to have Again, this is not to

932
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: deny him. Agency is just trying to understand the inner

933
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: workings of this administration. Rubio has an ideological fixation on Venezuela, right,

934
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: and the same way Biden was a die and the

935
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: wool committed dion as Rubio was like a died in

936
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: the wool committed neocon when it comes to Venezuela, certainly,

937
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: and on other areas maybe it's more flexible, but Venezuela

938
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: that one is locked in.

939
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: And then it benefits Stephen Miller and.

940
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: His like war on immigrants because you've got the trender

941
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: Ragua piece, and if you're labeling drug traffickers you're labeling

942
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: them like enemy combatants. That gives you a free hand

943
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: to do a lot of the things that he wants

944
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: to do.

945
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 7: Too.

946
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: If you're an active war with somebody, then you can

947
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: it's more of a legal justification.

948
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: Now it gives you just it gives you. I mean,

949
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: I think it's it's abhorrent. I think what they're doing,

950
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: by the way, what they're doing is illegal with even

951
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: with this you know, paper thin justification they're given, but

952
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: it gives you the like the cover to do the

953
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: extra judicial assassinations that we're seeing in the Caribbean. It

954
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: could potentially be expanded into the US. There's nothing that

955
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: would keep it from also being used on this on

956
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: you know, US soil. So Steven Miller likes that from

957
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: his ideological perspective, you don't have to think with with Trump,

958
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: they've been talking about trender Ragua and really making that

959
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: like a big thing for a while now, and so

960
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: I think that has fueled his interest in this regime

961
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: change operation. Like I think maybe he genuinely is convinced

962
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: that there's some Maduro trender ragua, gang cartel, fentanel, whatever

963
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: thing that fits with his political brand. And you know,

964
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 2: and then you have the other ego piece of they

965
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: tried to do it in his first term and they failed,

966
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 2: so he feels kind of humiliated that they did this

967
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 2: one Wan Guido thing. And by the way, Max womanhal

968
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: Thal has an interview that is really worth listening to

969
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: with the guy who was alleged to be the head

970
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 2: of this like secret plot to overthrow the Maduro regime.

971
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: The US government the first Trump administration denies they had

972
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: any involvement here, but you can go and listen and

973
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: you can see some of the documents that are coming

974
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: out in discovery with this guy as well. But he

975
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: says they were trying to foment this secret plot using

976
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: former special ops he was a former Green Beret, in

977
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: order to within Venezuela overthrow the overthrow the Maduro government

978
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: at that point. So in any case, there's also an

979
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: element of just like his ego being bruised by the

980
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: fact that this thing didn't work out the first time around.

981
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the psychoanalysis again, all here matters because this

982
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: is how it works right under. Currently, as I just

983
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: told the story of Ukraine, we've gone through four different

984
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 3: Ukraine policies literally in the last six months, So who

985
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: knows what you're going to wake up and get ran Paul,

986
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: by the way, speaking out vocific against these strikes, you

987
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: got to give a guy credit, a very principled person

988
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: at least on this issue.

989
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

990
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 5: President Trump has authorized military strikes against suspected drug boats

991
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 5: in the Caribbean. As you know, so far more than

992
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 5: twenty people, Senator have been killed in six different strikes.

993
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 5: Do you believe that these strikes against these suspected drug

994
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 5: boats are legal?

995
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 9: No, they go against all of our tradition. You know,

996
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 9: when you kill someone, you should know. If you're not

997
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 9: at war, not in a declared war, you really need

998
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 9: to know someone's name. At least you have to accuse

999
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 9: them of something. You have to present evidence. So all

1000
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 9: these people have been blown up without us knowing their name,

1001
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 9: without any evidence of a crime, and for decades, if

1002
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 9: not centuries. When you stop people at sea, in international

1003
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 9: waters or in your own waters, you announce that you're

1004
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 9: going to board the ship and you're looking for contraband

1005
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 9: smuggling or drugs. This happens every day off of Miami.

1006
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 9: But we know from Guard statistics that about twenty five

1007
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 9: percent of the time the Coastguard boards the ship, there

1008
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 9: are no drugs. So if our policy now is to

1009
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 9: blow up every ship we suspect or accused of drug running,

1010
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 9: that would be a bizarre world in which twenty five

1011
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 9: percent of the people might be innocent. The other thing

1012
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 9: about these speedboats is there they are two thousand miles

1013
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 9: away from us. If they have drugs, they're probably peddling

1014
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 9: drugs to one of the islands of Trinidad or Tobago

1015
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 9: off of Venezuela. The idea that they're coming here is like,

1016
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 9: it's a huge assumption and really shouldn't you have to

1017
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 9: present some proof. It is the difference between war and

1018
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 9: peace and war though you don't ask people's name, But

1019
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 9: if they want all out war where we kill anybody

1020
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 9: and everybody that is in the country of Venezuela are

1021
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 9: coming out, that has to have a declaration of war.

1022
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 9: It's something that is not pretty, very expensive, and I'm

1023
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 9: not in favor of declaring war on Venezuela.

1024
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 8: But the Congress should vote.

1025
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 9: The President shouldn't do this by himself.

1026
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: Props of Ran Paul.

1027
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: They are talking about how these strikes are not only

1028
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: the legality but also just the sheer kind of craziness

1029
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: of the policy, and I want to put so let

1030
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 3: me again take you through the chest pieces.

1031
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: One of the pieces of news that we.

1032
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: Who covered last week was about this US military admiral

1033
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: or US naval admiral, who had visited the Caribbean and

1034
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: he had done that twice since the big build up,

1035
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: and we actually looked at that as a piece of

1036
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: significance because of the huge build up naval build up. Well,

1037
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: it now turns out, let's put this stuff here on

1038
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: the screen, that he has now had to step down.

1039
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,959
Speaker 3: This is from southcom Admiral Alvin Halsey is leaving less

1040
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: than a year into his tenure as the Pentagon escalates

1041
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 3: attacks against boats in the Caribbean Sea. And he is

1042
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 3: not only leaving it amidst the rapid build up of

1043
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 3: ten thousand forces in the region, but of this new

1044
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 3: CIA mission and also the speculation, the scuttle butt, at

1045
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: least from what I've heard around town, is he was

1046
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: one of those people who raised concerns about some of

1047
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: these strikes, not just the legal justification, but the strategic

1048
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: justification as well. You put those two things together with

1049
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 3: him going away, it's not good. And also, by the way,

1050
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: can I remind everybody that there's currently no real journalists

1051
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 3: who are right now at the Pentagon today who can't

1052
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 3: even ask they can't even get the bullshit.

1053
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: Version from the Pentagon spokesperson while they're in the buildings.

1054
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: This is not good, Like, this is exactly the time

1055
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 3: whenever you really need people with experience and others to actually,

1056
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 3: you know, put some scrutiny on what's happening. And you know,

1057
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: there's not even any embeds as far as I understand,

1058
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: there's no journalists down on the carriers even tracking see

1059
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: what's happening. Even in the height of the war in Iraq.

1060
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: One of my favorite books, Generation Killed, there was a

1061
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: Rolling Stone journalist in the lead humby of the lead

1062
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 3: convoy going into Iraq, like we had some limited idea

1063
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: of what was going on here. Nothing, it's just government video.

1064
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: We don't know a damn thing about what's happened.

1065
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 4: That's right.

1066
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: Those strikes in the Caribbean, every time we learn something

1067
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 2: about them, it, you know, turns out to be nothing

1068
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: like the way that it's being presented. Not that okay,

1069
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: even if they were drug traffickers, it still wouldn't be okay,

1070
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: we've been interjecting drug traffickers in these waters. You know,

1071
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: if you have to like blow them up, then they

1072
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: can't stand trial. What does that tell you about the

1073
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: case that you'd be able to make against them? But

1074
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: you had an instance recently where one of the people

1075
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: that we randomly murdered in the Caribbean was Colombian, at

1076
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: least one of them. And so the president of Columbia,

1077
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: who is very outspoken leftists, says mister Trump, Columbia's never

1078
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: been rude to the USA. On the contrary, its greatly

1079
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: admired its culture. You are rude and ignorant toward Columbia.

1080
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: Read as your Sharsha affairs in Columbia did one hundred

1081
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 2: years of solitude, and he assured you you will learn

1082
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: something about solitude. I don't do business like you do.

1083
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: I am a socialist. I believe in aid, common good

1084
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: and common goods of humanity, greatest of all life put

1085
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Speaker 2: in danger by your oil. If I'm not a merchant,

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00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: then much less a drug trafficker. In my heart, there's

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00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: no greed. Can never get along with greed a mafio.

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00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: So as a human being whom bodies the best of capitalism, greed,

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00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: and I'm the opposite, a lover of life. Therefore, a

1090
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: millennial warrior for life. Greed flees from us because because

1091
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: life is more powerful. And as in response to this exchange,

1092
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: and he and Trump were going back and forth, Trump

1093
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: is now cut off aid to Colombia and is threatening

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00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: increased tariffs on them. Now we aren't like Columbia receives

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00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: a fair amount of USA, but not as much as

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Speaker 2: it did at one point in like the early two

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00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: thousands during Planned Colombia and that era. But in any case,

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00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 2: so this is, you know, some of the fallouts going

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Speaker 2: on in Columbia is an important but like large part

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Speaker 2: of the cocaine production is in Colombia. So if you

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00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: want to deal with you know, drug production and drug flows,

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00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: this is a country you want to be able to

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00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: partner with. Instead we're antagonizing them, so we can blow

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Speaker 2: up random fishing boats in the Caribbean.

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Speaker 3: Well, and if you put it together with what's happening,

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00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: let's go to the next part from Trump. He went

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00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: ahead and said that President Gustavo is an illegal drug leader,

1108
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: strongcouraging massive production of drugs all over Columbia has become

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Speaker 3: the biggest. As of today, these payments or any other

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00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 3: form of payment or subsidies will no longer be made

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00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: to Columbia. The purpose of drug production is a sale

1112
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 3: of mass amounts of products into the United States. So

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00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 3: this is immediately, you know, cutting aid in response to

1114
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 3: the criticism. Columbia, of course next to Venezuela, and actually

1115
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 3: was part of what their difficulty has been is also

1116
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 3: dealing with a lot of these Venezuelan migrants, which they

1117
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: themselves have their own crisis with. It's causing a lot

1118
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 3: of political consternation in the country and has for some time.

1119
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: Let's again started to put some of the chess pieces together.

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00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 3: Let's put this next one up here again. Nobody blinks

1121
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: and I apparently B fifty two's flew off the coast

1122
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: of Venezuela in a recent show of force. I mean,

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Speaker 3: these are like nuclear capable bomber. This is if people

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00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: don't know what a B fifty two is. It is

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Speaker 3: genuinely one of the coolest aircraft that the United States

1126
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: military has. I got to see a couple when I

1127
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 3: was in Katar, and seeing them in the plane or

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00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 3: seeing them in the sky, it's unbelievable. Like the level

1129
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 3: of military might that they are, and so to take

1130
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 3: three and to just you know, take it all around

1131
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 3: Venezuela off the coast, there's only one reason to do that.

1132
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: It's the same reason that we all fly them. It's

1133
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Speaker 1: a threat.

1134
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Speaker 3: And so yeah, they took off from bark Stale Air

1135
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 3: Force Base and they just kind of circled around of

1136
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 3: Venezuela in a huge show of force. All of this

1137
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: is just pointing in one direction. As you said, the

1138
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: cope is just basically it's all negotiation. But I think

1139
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 3: here's the fear from Maduro. What if he's like, Okay,

1140
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: this is it. I can't negotiate with these people at all.

1141
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: And so when the eventual time does come for negotiation,

1142
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: you say no, forget it, and then you know there's

1143
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: one miscalculation. All it takes is one errand to Venezuelan

1144
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: pilot or air defense or somebody to do something and

1145
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: then boom. I mean, that's why you don't get into

1146
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: very close situation. Why even be in this situation. He

1147
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 3: said he would give us the oil, take it, just

1148
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: take it. What's the problem.

1149
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Last part.

1151
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Speaker 3: We just want to give a shout out to our

1152
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: friend Juan da vide Rojas put this up here on

1153
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: the screen.

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00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: He wrote a great piece. I encourage everybody to go

1155
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: read it.

1156
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: Why regime change in Venezuela is bad for America, and

1157
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 3: he talks about specifically the last time the United States

1158
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: mass this level of military might in the hemisphere was

1159
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty nine invasion of Panama, which ousted Manuel Noriega.

1160
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 3: And while the assembled forces are inadequate for a full

1161
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 3: scale invasion, decapitation strikes on government officials a state assets

1162
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 3: similar to NATO's twenty eleven intervention in Libya, seem likely,

1163
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 3: and as he points out, one of the reasons that

1164
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: this is happening is from Marco Rubio, the fact that

1165
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: all the statistics don't really add up whenever it comes

1166
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: to the found of fentanyl and everything coming here. But

1167
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: he goes through the strategic justification. The notion that a

1168
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 3: Postmaduro dovelment can promptly fix Venezuela is a disturbingly reminiscent

1169
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: of Washington fantasies about post Taliban Afghanistan.

1170
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Speaker 1: Unlike Noriega, who.

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Speaker 3: Governed six years to nineteen eighty three and nineteen eighty nine,

1172
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Speaker 3: Chavismo has ruled Venezuela for twenty seven has destroyed the

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00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: country's institutions. On increasingly rare occasions, when opposition candidates are

1174
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 3: allowed to prevail, the winners are then stripped of their

1175
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: constitutional powers. In twenty twenty four, to ensure Maduro was

1176
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 3: re elected, the regime perpetuated election fraud so brazy that

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Speaker 3: even some of his closest international allies call the results

1178
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: into question. Even in an ideal, negotiated transition, it would

1179
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: take decades for Venezuela to restore a semblance of the

1180
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 3: rule of law, and nobody signed up for that.

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Speaker 1: I don't want that.

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00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: I don't want to be responsible from Venezuela. I don't

1183
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 3: think Venezuelan's want us to be responded, like, leave them

1184
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: to their own destiny.

1185
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: How much better would we be to make a deal,

1186
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: a business deal with them and it sanctions relief and

1187
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: you know they can, like Maduro can sink or swim

1188
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: on his own. You know, if he's able to run

1189
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: the government away that people find effective, and yeah, let

1190
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: them to decide their own fate. I mean that feels

1191
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: like what it should be an America first type of

1192
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: a principle, and there's nothing good. There is nothing good

1193
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 2: that will come of some regime change war. And the

1194
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: other thing that WANTAVI goes through is like, you know,

1195
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: there's a number of already armed and trained militant groups

1196
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: in and near Venezuela. So it's also not like there's

1197
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: you know, I'm all the ingredients for chaos and violence

1198
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: and death and destruction in a failed state. It's all there,

1199
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Speaker 2: and you know, apparently that's what we're flirting with at

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Speaker 2: this point.

1201
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely insane.

1202
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, turning out to John Bolton, the former National Security Advisor,

1203
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 3: has been indicted. Let's go and put this up here

1204
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 3: on the screen. Federal grand jury in Maryland returning an

1205
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: indictment on eighteen separate counts, eight counts of unlawful transmission

1206
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 3: of national defense information and ten counts of unlawful retention

1207
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 3: of national defense information. These are from the alleged violations

1208
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 3: of the nineteen seventeen Espionage Act, which prohibit the unauthorized

1209
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 3: position or transmission of national defense information. So basically, let

1210
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: me go through and read some of the key allegations

1211
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 3: inside the criminal complaint. The indictment, by the way, is public,

1212
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 3: so you can go through and read it for yourself.

1213
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Speaker 1: Quote.

1214
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Speaker 3: Bolton is alleged to have shared over one thousand pages

1215
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 3: of diary like records of his time at the National

1216
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 3: Security Advisor with family members or quote editors via his

1217
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 3: personal email account while he was pairing his book. These

1218
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 3: records reportedly included sensitive classified information from meetings with senior

1219
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 3: US officials, foreign leader discussions, and intelligence briefing. He is

1220
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 3: alleged to have printed and stored classified material at his

1221
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 3: home in Bethesda, Maryland. The indictment claims that Burstel's Poltent

1222
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 3: personal email account, which he at times emailed to his

1223
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: wife and his daughter, were later than hacked by a

1224
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: cyber actor believed to have been linked to Iran, and

1225
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 3: that hackers gained access to all of the class information

1226
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 3: that he had stored there. That the representative he told

1227
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: the FBI in twenty twenty one about the hack, but

1228
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: he did not disclose the classified information was stored in

1229
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 3: the account or that hackers had obtained the classified data.

1230
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 3: He's pleaded not guilty and said he's a victim of

1231
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: political retribution. Now, I mean, I think that that is

1232
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 3: probably true, that he's a victim of political retribution, But

1233
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 3: you know, first they came for John Bolton, and I

1234
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 3: didn't say very much because it's John Bolton. And you know,

1235
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 3: I first they came for John Bolton, and I read

1236
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: the indictment and it turned out that he did the

1237
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 3: very thing that he is accused others of doing. And

1238
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 3: he's called for a crackdown for government, you know, for

1239
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 3: government and invent for prison time.

1240
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's that's mostly what I have to say.

1241
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: After they came for Job bull Yeah.

1242
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so I think it's actually very interesting. I

1243
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 2: guess first, really technically they did come for James Comy.

1244
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: So and then let's say, and I think those two

1245
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: prosecutions are much more, very different, much flimsier and more bullshit.

1246
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Letitia James is complete and total bullshit Comy.

1247
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: I mean, these prosecutors had to resign, like they had

1248
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: to put total flunkies in charge before they would pursue

1249
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: these charges.

1250
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 4: So this one is different.

1251
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: Now, what I will say here is I think it's

1252
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: worth pausing and thinking about the mind of not just

1253
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: John Bolton, but I think this is the way that

1254
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 2: many elites behave when they get into power. On they

1255
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: think about, okay, how am I going to position myself

1256
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: or my my career, my book deal? Like, how am

1257
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: I going to profit off of this public service? And

1258
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: so when he comes into the first Trump administration, he

1259
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: immediately starts this text chain with his wife and his

1260
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: daughter where it's you know, he's calling it his diary,

1261
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 2: and he's sharing with them all kinds of this is

1262
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 2: a according to the government story, right, He's going to

1263
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: be able to make his own case about what was

1264
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 2: going on and whether it's classified, and it'll be able

1265
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 2: to defend himself. And I think he certainly has a

1266
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: good case that this is political retribution. Wouldn't have been

1267
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: charged under another garment. I do think that that is

1268
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: the case. But so he comes in thinking how am

1269
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 2: I going to parlay this into a book deal, which

1270
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: he did right by the way after the fact. So

1271
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: he's sharing with them all this stuff at the moment

1272
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 2: to keep track of what's going on and all the

1273
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 2: decision making that he's privy to, et cetera.

1274
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 4: Now, I think this is.

1275
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 2: Completely characteristic of the way that many elites operate when

1276
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: they get into office, and it is also completely characteristic

1277
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: of the type of yes crimes that elites are usually like, yeah.

1278
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course I get to store a classified info

1279
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: for my book in my personal email.

1280
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: Again, right, who among.

1281
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: Now, if you're a whistleblower and you're something, you're sharing

1282
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: something classified the wrong setting and blah blah.

1283
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 4: Blah, then god forbid.

1284
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: But you know, and then also there's the irony, of

1285
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: course of Trump with the documents stacked up in his

1286
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: bathroom or whatever. That will put that aside for the moment.

1287
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: But so now any elite who gets crosswise with Trump,

1288
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: the things that usually elites are just allowed to do,

1289
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: now they're not going to be allowed to do that. Now,

1290
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 2: I am okay with that if it's applied across the board.

1291
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: The problem is that obviously it's done in this incredibly

1292
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: political way where if it's just for Trump's enemies and

1293
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: so it reminds very much of that famous saying for

1294
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: my friends everything for my enemies the law, and with Trump,

1295
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 2: it's not just the things that actually were legitimate violations.

1296
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: They will also comb through your mortgage application and try

1297
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Speaker 2: to find some sort of bullshit whatever, like they did

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Speaker 2: with Letitia James. They're trying to do it with Adam

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Speaker 2: Schiff and others to make a case against you even

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Speaker 2: if there really is no case to make with this one,

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Speaker 2: they happen to have a little bit more to work with.

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Speaker 2: It just falls in the category of things that elites

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Speaker 2: typically do and get away with. But now that you're

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Speaker 2: on the wrong side of the King, you're going to

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Speaker 2: be made to pay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you know, sometimes the King actually doesn't miss

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Speaker 3: and on this one, let's Glenn actually flagged this fantastic

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Speaker 3: clip of John talking about Julian Ang's let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think that's a small amount of the sentence

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Speaker 10: he actually deserves. He's committed clear criminal activity. He's no

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Speaker 10: more a journalist than the chair I'm sitting on. The

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Speaker 10: information that he divulged did, in fact put many people

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Speaker 10: in jeopardy. It undercut the ability of the United States

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Speaker 10: to have confidential diplomatic communications, not just with other foreign governments,

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Speaker 10: but in many countries with dissidents. People who even speaking

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Speaker 10: to American diplomats could find themselves in trouble. And so

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Speaker 10: you know, he's been complaining about his treatment over the

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Speaker 10: past period of time. He's the one who sought asylum

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Speaker 10: in the Ecuadorian embassy. Now he faces extradition to the

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Speaker 10: United States. I presume he will get due process in

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Speaker 10: the United Kingdom to determine whether extradition should go forward,

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Speaker 10: and when he gets to the United States, he'll get

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Speaker 10: due process here. And I hope he gets at least

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Speaker 10: one hundred and seventy six years in jail for what

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Speaker 10: he did.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy six years.

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Speaker 3: Well, John, we'll see how you can test that whenever

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Speaker 3: it comes to your own defense.

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Speaker 2: Probably if we went back, I bet he said a

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Speaker 2: bunch of stuff about Hillary's classified Of course we had too,

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Speaker 2: because at that point he was a loyal Republican.

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Speaker 3: So these guys, you know, it's like you said about

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Speaker 3: their egos, you can I mean, and I covered the

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Speaker 3: Hillary email thing, and I remember one of the things

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Speaker 3: that actually made me really angry about it is there

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Speaker 3: was this naval sailor who accidentally shared pictures from onboard

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Speaker 3: a nuclear submarine and he had been charged with releasing

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Speaker 3: information about classified information. And he I think he was

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Speaker 3: either thrown in jail, he got seriously like the book

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Speaker 3: was thrown at him, and what he did was in

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Speaker 3: no way.

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Speaker 1: Comparable to what Hillary had done.

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Speaker 3: And that was a clean hit because it's like she

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01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: gets to get away with everything, whereas the normal everyday

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01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 3: people who are working inside the government when they do

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Speaker 3: something even remotely close set by accident again literally by accident,

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Speaker 3: they get thrown in jail.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 3: You know, to your point, he's doing this bee enrich himself.

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Speaker 3: What great services John Bolton never performed for the United

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Speaker 3: States of America or for the business world.

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Speaker 1: No, he trades off of his name and of his influence.

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Speaker 3: I have some great stories, both the speaker fees and

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Speaker 3: other things that he demands whenever he would speak to,

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Speaker 3: like little student organizations that I have heard from around

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Speaker 3: wash He's one of the notorious divas in this town

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Speaker 3: who has writers in his contract like he's Metallica or something.

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Speaker 1: You think I'm joking. I'm not joking.

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Speaker 3: Everybody here knows what I'm talking about. And so that's

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Speaker 3: the guy. And so he did this to make money,

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Speaker 3: That's what it was about. Yeah, and he thought he

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Speaker 3: was above the law, and so John, no one is

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Speaker 3: above the law.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually a lot of people are above the law.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to George Santos here in moment. But now

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Speaker 2: that you're crosswise with Trump, you're not going to be

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Speaker 2: above the law.

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Speaker 4: I did look it up.

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Speaker 2: So with regard to Hillary Clinton using a non secure

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Speaker 2: personal server for official communications, he said in a twenty

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Speaker 2: seventeen interview that if I had done at the State

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Speaker 2: Department what senior US officials like Clinton did, I'd be

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Speaker 2: in jail right now, and asserted that, you know, if

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Speaker 2: he or any typical government official had done that, then

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Speaker 2: they would face immediate prosecution and imprisonment. So that was

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Speaker 2: his view before when he was on you know, when

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Speaker 2: he was closely aligned with the Republican Party and this

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01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 2: was a partisan issue, he was, yeah, nothing but the

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Speaker 2: law for missharing or you know, mishandling classified information. But

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Speaker 2: you know, the on the other side of this, we've

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Speaker 2: got the George Santos sentence commutation and he was convicted.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's worth remembering what he actually did. So

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Speaker 2: he stole eleven different people's identities in order to like

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Speaker 2: steal their funds to fund his life and his campaign.

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Speaker 2: Convicted of you know, took money from his campaign and

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Speaker 2: uses personal slush. But there was a lot more besides

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Speaker 2: that he did. And you know, one thing is just

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Speaker 2: this one guy, I will say, the way he was

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Speaker 2: treated in prison I found to be he was in

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Speaker 2: solitary confinement, which I think you know.

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Speaker 4: Is torture and shouldn't be used on anyone, let alone.

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Speaker 2: You know, a person who's convicted of basically like a

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Speaker 2: white collar crime, but in any case, he joins a

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Speaker 2: list of nine other Republican congressmen who have had their sentences.

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Speaker 4: Either communed or been pardoned.

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Speaker 2: If you are on Trump's good side, and you've seen

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Speaker 2: the way that you know people have paid money to

1398
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: get in Trump's inner circle, or hire a lawyer who's

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01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: close with Don Junior or whatever, then you can you

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01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 2: can commit whatever crimes you want as long as you

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Speaker 2: say the right things about Trump. I mean, here we

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01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 2: have ten Republican congressmen who've been granted pardons or clemency

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01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 2: from Trump, with Santos just being the latest one. And

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01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: so you know that is that is the reality of

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01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 2: this regime. The notion that there is any sort of

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01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:58,440
Speaker 2: impartiality is completely and utterly dead. It is all political.

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,799
Speaker 2: It is all I will, you know, go after my enemies.

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01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 2: If you say nice things about me, if you're going

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01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 2: to toe the line, then I will I will pardon you,

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Speaker 2: I will commute your sentence.

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Speaker 4: And that is very important.

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Speaker 2: Because it gives all the people around him a sense

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Speaker 2: of impunity because they all know, even if they are

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01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 2: committing crimes, certainly, if they're committing crimes on his behalf,

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 2: they will face no accountability because as long as they

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Speaker 2: stay on his good side, he will pardon them, he

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01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 2: will commute their sentences.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, that is the broader picture.

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Speaker 2: Bolton is a complicated one because first of all, I

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Speaker 2: think he's like one of the great villains of our politics.

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Speaker 2: And second of all, because he I mean, according to

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Speaker 2: the government's case, again, he'll the ability to make his

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01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 2: own case. Whatever he genuinely did handle mishandle classified information,

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Speaker 2: you know, applying his own what he said in the

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 2: past to his own actions, he would be worthy of prosecution.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, another thing we didn't mention, which

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01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: another very negative fact for him is Iran did actually

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Speaker 2: hack into yeah, no easy messages.

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Speaker 1: That's actually worse than Hillary and we're able.

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Speaker 2: To yeah, and we're able to glean some information, were

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01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 2: threat trying to threaten and blackmail him with the information

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Speaker 2: that they had been able to obtain. So you do

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01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 2: have you know, a foreign adversary that was able to

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Speaker 2: gain access to this information, et cetera very negative set

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Speaker 2: of facts for him. But then you added to the

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Speaker 2: overall picture of like this being part of a retribution campaign.

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Speaker 2: And I think it is true that under another administry,

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Speaker 2: including another Republican administration, or back when he was a

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01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 2: you know, loyal Republican under another Democratic administration, I don't

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: think he gets prosecuted. But for it being this particular administration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're one could make the case that

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01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 3: it was political not to prosecute that. Actually the Biden

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01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 3: administration led him off of the hook because they liked

1444
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 3: him because he was on TV criticizing Trump. So maybe

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01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 3: we're just riding the ship and you know, the next

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01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 3: time I jokes aside, this is an interesting question. When

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01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 3: the Democrats are in power, then why would they not

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01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 3: Why should they not then use this new standard against

1449
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 3: the true Like if you're why would you not prosecute

1450
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 3: Jared Kushner, why would you not prosecute Steve Wikoff?

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01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: Why would you not prosecute.

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01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 3: Any of the people. I mean, I'll put Stephen aside

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01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 3: because it's kind of the separate thing. But I don't

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01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 3: know I've seen that considering the No King's protest for

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01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 3: you about talk about which shwycott.

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Speaker 1: Later on today.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of what the base wants, and so I

1458
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 3: wonder what direction that they're going to go.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: I think that a litmus test in the twenty twenty

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01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: eight primary will be holding some of the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: officials to account.

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Speaker 4: I don't think wit Coff and Kushner at the top.

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Speaker 2: I would say Stephen Miller, christinoam are towards the you know,

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01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: towards the top of the list. Maybe russ vote, but

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Speaker 2: Miller would be, you know, target number one, maybe Ewon Musk.

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Speaker 2: I think that it will be a litmus test of

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01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 2: like and there's a fine line we can have this.

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Speaker 4: We won't dwell up.

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Speaker 2: We don't have to have a long debate about this

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Speaker 2: right now, but I'm sure it'll be a conversation we

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Speaker 2: continue to have. There's a fine line between you know,

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01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 2: politicizing and retribution and just going for blood. And I

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01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 2: think a lot some of the problems we have in

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01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,520
Speaker 2: this country right now is from elites acting with impunity.

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01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 2: So I do think you need some elite accountability for

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01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 2: crimes that are committed. I'm thinking of you know, I'm

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01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 2: thinking of the war criminals in the first Bush administration Again,

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Speaker 2: John Bolton, I'm thinking of I'm thinking of the bankers

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01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 2: who never went to prison. And when you have a

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01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: vastly unequal society by wealth, and then you have a

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 2: show of elites who were able to commit overt criminal acts,

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01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,560
Speaker 2: especially acts against the American people, and do that with impunity,

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01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 2: then that does contribute to like a total societal collapse.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think there will be I think there

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Speaker 4: will be some of that.

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Speaker 2: Now, do I see a Gavin Newsome like going through

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Speaker 2: people's mortgage applications and just inventing things out of whole cloth?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't say.

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Speaker 2: I mean, remember, these are the people who couldn't get

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Speaker 2: around to appointing Merrit Garland and decided it should be

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01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: Merit Garland, who was like the lamest person on the planet,

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01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 2: in order to even go after like the guy who

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01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 2: was their main adversary. That's who Democratic Party elites ultimately are.

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Speaker 2: So I think you're right where the base is is.

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Speaker 2: They definitely want to see not you know, not a

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: like exactly what's being done in the Trump administration, but

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01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: they want to see some accountability for these things. The

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01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: question is whether their elites are of them. Whoever gets

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Speaker 2: elected is going to have the stones to do any

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Speaker 2: of that, and that's a very open question. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's see, So this morning we are joined in studio

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Speaker 2: by a gentleman who is challenging Nancy Pelosi in the

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 2: Democratic primary for Congress, also former chief of.

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01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 4: Staff to aoc chalcol Body.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you, Yeah, thanks for having me, he

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01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: good man.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, Glad to have you in town.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to start with I know you were at

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Speaker 2: the No King's protest in San Francisco. We've got you

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Speaker 2: guys can put some of these images up on the

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Speaker 2: screen from around the country. I know the estimates were

1513
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 2: in the many millions for these actions across the country.

1514
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Speaker 2: In my little town, King George County, they even had

1515
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: like a pretty decent number of people, which is something

1516
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 2: I've never seen before. Just talked about your you know,

1517
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 2: experience in San Francisco and what your interactions were like

1518
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: with the people who came out for it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it was a lot of fun, you know, and

1520
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 11: it was energizing. It was like electrifying. It was about

1521
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 11: fifty thousand people in San Francisco that showed up, way

1522
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 11: bigger than last one, because I went to last one

1523
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 11: as well, and people, I mean, it's just like gives

1524
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 11: you some hope. I think that was the main overhalming

1525
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 11: sort of vibe. I'd say, I got there and it was,

1526
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:18,879
Speaker 11: you know, peaceful, like there's nothing even bordering on violence,

1527
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 11: right attack, no Antifa attacks, nothing going on. And you know,

1528
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 11: the thing I think is really important about something like

1529
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 11: this is it is also building infrastructure to actually get

1530
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 11: people out on the streets. Right, So the fact that

1531
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 11: you can keep doing this, repeat this, I think we're

1532
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 11: going to have some real infrastructure to get folks out

1533
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 11: on the streets and to have some sort of real opposition.

1534
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Speaker 8: Yeah, we need that.

1535
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of my question to you, because you know,

1536
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 3: I grew up around the Tea Party eight camping of

1537
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 3: age in politics, and what I saw was not only

1538
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 3: the marches, but there was a political infrastructure. And with respect,

1539
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 3: I don't see that same level candidates like you at

1540
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 3: this point in the two thousand in that cycle. Let's

1541
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 3: say in the twenty ten race, they had major money

1542
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 3: behind them to challenge incumbents. You know, I'm sure you're

1543
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 3: studying some of those runs, So explain that disconnect to me,

1544
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,919
Speaker 3: why is it that millions can take to the streets,

1545
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 3: but there doesn't seem to be a centralized, organized force

1546
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 3: people standing up and saying I'm done with the Democratic

1547
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 3: establishment or are they saying it and I'm mistaken?

1548
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 11: So there isn't the same i'd say, kind of like

1549
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 11: moneyed infrastructure that the Tea Party had. But I do

1550
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 11: think this is one of the big divides between candidates

1551
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 11: like myself, like Katabu Gazale, like the newer folks who

1552
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 11: are running and the old guard, right, I think Candid's

1553
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 11: like us, We are part of that and we see

1554
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 11: our roles. It's not just trying to go into be

1555
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,600
Speaker 11: politicians and legislators like we actually need to be organizers

1556
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 11: and be part of this sort of these protests on

1557
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 11: the street and actually be organizing civil society to create

1558
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 11: a real opposition party.

1559
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 8: So I agree, you know that.

1560
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 11: I think what the Tea Party did was an example

1561
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 11: of how that actually happened on the other side.

1562
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.

1563
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 2: One of the things that I have noted for a

1564
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 2: while now is different among the Democratic base in Trump

1565
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: two point zero is that they really are frustrated with

1566
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: their leadership. Yeah, plose, No, longer. You know the leader

1567
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 2: in the House that Kim Jeffries, who I mean Pelosi

1568
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 2: at least she had some Machiavilion instincts. Jefferies is just

1569
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 2: completely seems weak. Schumer has been pathetic as well. And

1570
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: so when I see those images, you see the same

1571
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 2: level or even heightened level of dissatisfaction anger from the

1572
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 2: base at what the Trump administration is doing and a

1573
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 2: leadership that they feel increasingly has let them down. That's

1574
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 2: very different from the first Trump administration where they felt,

1575
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 2: like you know, Nancy Pelosi and Chiff and others were

1576
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 2: like fighting for them and they were all aligned. I

1577
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 2: do think that creates an opening not just for candidate's

1578
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 2: like you, but for you know, more of a sort

1579
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 2: of Sanders left populist ideology, because those are the people

1580
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 2: that actually are being caught fighting, like those are the

1581
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: people who've been leading the charge. And so if you

1582
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 2: have a base who's disgusted with the lack of fight

1583
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 2: and you see that the fighters are people who you know,

1584
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 2: tend to share our ideology, I think that does create

1585
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 2: nobody not to mention the fact that the previous like

1586
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 2: liberal direction of let's not rock the boat and let's

1587
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 2: just try to return of a status quo has obviously

1588
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 2: completely failed.

1589
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's twofold.

1590
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 7: Right.

1591
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 11: One thing is when Trump won the first time, I

1592
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 11: think a lot of people, especially mainstream Democrats, thought that

1593
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 11: was just a fluke, you know, and Trump getting elected

1594
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 11: again has gone a big part of the party in

1595
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 11: the base to just you know, think about this as

1596
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 11: like what is actually going on, Like this is a

1597
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,600
Speaker 11: real failure of the Democrat establishment. Yeah, And so I

1598
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 11: think there's two things that's going on where they're seeing

1599
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 11: the current Democratic Party being completely unable to do anything

1600
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 11: about what's going on in the moment with what I

1601
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 11: think is an authoritarian coup. And and so they're looking for,

1602
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 11: you know, leaders who are actually going to take this moment seriously.

1603
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 11: They're not, you know, they don't want this sort of

1604
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 11: way back and play dead politics, like the backlash build

1605
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 11: and we're just gonna win on the in the next

1606
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 11: election off that backlash because that might not happen, right,

1607
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 11: But the other pieces, people really are thirsty for an

1608
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 11: actual vision to fix the deep economic problems that led

1609
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 11: to someone like Trump. Like that's something I had to

1610
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 11: explain the first Trump term when I was working with AOC,

1611
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 11: he had to try.

1612
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 8: To explain, you know, Trump was a result of these

1613
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 8: larger problems.

1614
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1615
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 8: I don't find that to explain that anymore. Everyone gets

1616
01:18:59,000 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 8: it right.

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01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 11: So now we're at a place where I just get

1618
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 11: to pitch what's our version of the vision for actually

1619
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 11: how to fix this because maga's not doing it right.

1620
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 8: Mag is not going to fix it.

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01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: Well.

1622
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Speaker 3: My question though on San Francisco is, let's be real, Like,

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Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi is still tremendously popular right in her among

1624
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 3: a lot of Democrats. I saw a recent unfavorable rating

1625
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Speaker 3: like thirty three percent.

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Speaker 1: That was like total.

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Speaker 3: But in your district, you know, she has constantly never

1628
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 3: really had to take any of these primary challenges seriously.

1629
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 3: So I guess my question is how do you seek

1630
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 3: to over like, why is this time different? I mean,

1631
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 3: I've been doing the show with Crystal for years now.

1632
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 3: I probably interviewed to everach primary challenger that has come

1633
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 3: to Nancy Pelosi. I'm still here interviewing another Nancy Pelosi challenger.

1634
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 3: Why is this time different?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

1636
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 11: So the bet with this race was that there's this

1637
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 11: deep set satisfaction with the Democratic establishment, right, not necessarily

1638
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 11: Nancy Pelosi herself, but that people are really ready for change.

1639
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 11: And we actually ran a poll last month that showed

1640
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 11: a couple interesting things. You know, it still shows Nancy

1641
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 11: Pelosi is generally well liked. You know, people actually respect

1642
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 11: her and like her. But when when you ask Pelosi

1643
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 11: supporters would they be willing to vote for somebody new,

1644
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 11: about fifty one percent to say yes right when you ask.

1645
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 8: And overall in the population is about two thirds of

1646
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 8: the population.

1647
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 11: And then when you actually pull her against me, first,

1648
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 11: one thing we learned is I've already cut the lead

1649
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 11: in half.

1650
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 8: As down twenty five, now I'm down thirteen.

1651
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 11: And when we actually show a positive bio of her

1652
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 11: and a bio of myself, we end up winning the

1653
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 11: race by six. So people in the district are really

1654
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 11: you know, basically, they're at this place where like, we

1655
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 11: like her, we think she is great for a certain time,

1656
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 11: but clearly we need something new, right, And so the

1657
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 11: point is to just get across the fact that I'm

1658
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 11: you know, I'm actually a serious candidate.

1659
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 8: I've got real experience in politics.

1660
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 11: And also everything I'm running on is overwhelmingly popular, not

1661
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 11: just in San Francisco but across the country. I'm running

1662
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 11: on things to actually fix our economic problems. I'm trying

1663
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 11: to running on anti corruption and that's really resonating with

1664
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 11: the district.

1665
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 4: Is she for sure running again?

1666
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 8: She filed her, She's filed with the with the FBC.

1667
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

1668
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 11: She whenever people ask her like, are you definitely running again?

1669
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 11: She always is mum about it. But you know, the

1670
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 11: rumors are maybe it's going to be her that ends

1671
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 11: up being her pick.

1672
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Speaker 2: Who knows which doesn't You have two daughters, Christine, Christine interesting.

1673
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: I would love for you to talk a little bit

1674
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 2: while we have you about you said, you know, you

1675
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: need to offer people an alternative, positive vision. I think

1676
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 2: you've been one of the people who has been at

1677
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 2: the forefront of actually really thinking deeply about what that

1678
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 2: vision would look like.

1679
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 4: So talk a little bit about how you see that.

1680
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I think it's it's basically like to

1681
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 11: back up a bit, like I think basically, for decades now,

1682
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 11: wages have been staggering for most Americans, while the cost

1683
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 11: of essentials have really skyrocketed, right, And I think at

1684
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 11: the same time, our country has just been really stuck

1685
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 11: actually being able to do anything big. We can't take

1686
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 11: on big projects. We've de industrialized the Midwest. I think

1687
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 11: one real example of how bad our state capacity is

1688
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 11: is I think of EV's in China, right, Like EV's

1689
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 11: in China ten years ago, when they're starting to make them,

1690
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 11: We're being so smug about it. We're like, they're not

1691
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:55,879
Speaker 11: never gonna catch up to us. Our technology is so great.

1692
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 11: And then literally last year they are starting to make

1693
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 11: EV's our beninars, and we're just like, well, game's over,

1694
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 11: No way we can we can compete.

1695
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 4: Right then it feels a little bit.

1696
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 11: Like that, Yeah, to be honest, I know, right, and

1697
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 11: that's kind of true, But that's it's such a failure

1698
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 11: of imagination I think on our part of what can

1699
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 11: we actually do as a country. So you know, part

1700
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 11: of what I'm running on is i'd say the things

1701
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 11: that people like burn your AOC and everybody runs on,

1702
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 11: which is we need structural fixes to things like healthcare, childcare, education,

1703
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 11: these big cost centers. Right, we actually need universal healthcare,

1704
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 11: universal childcare. But the other piece that I've been really promoting,

1705
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 11: this was really a lot of Green New Deal work,

1706
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 11: is we actually need to have the government do a

1707
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 11: massive mobilization to kind of build up our industrial capacity

1708
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 11: and our state capacity to do stuff, to build industries,

1709
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 11: to build housing, to build all the stuff that we

1710
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 11: actually need in this country to survive. And are the

1711
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 11: examples we look at when we talk about this, are

1712
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 11: you know, a lot of the rich nations that got

1713
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 11: rich in the twentieth century, because if you look at

1714
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 11: the history of the twentieth century, basically every rich nation

1715
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 11: today they went through these periods where they massively transformed

1716
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 11: their economy and really periods of time. And the way

1717
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 11: they did it is they really governed in a way

1718
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 11: that's very different from us.

1719
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 8: You know, they didn't just pass some policies.

1720
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 11: You had to actually have this movement that was organizing

1721
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 11: civil society to kind of be on this mission, and

1722
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 11: often that mission was to get rich.

1723
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 8: As a nation.

1724
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 11: And sometimes the mission our case, you know, during World

1725
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 11: War Two, is to beat the fascists. And you made

1726
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Speaker 11: real plans, you had institutions to finance and execute those plans.

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Speaker 11: It's a whole different kind of governing that's really been

1728
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 11: a focus of a lot of my work.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but to press you a little bit, your part

1730
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 3: of the party that you've been involved with now for

1731
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 3: some time has not really had a good run in

1732
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 3: San Francisco. Right, So San Francisco, Daniel Lurie beats London

1733
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 3: Breed in the mayoral race, you had Chase A.

1734
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: Boudin who went down.

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01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 3: It seems like the homelessness and the crime, which look

1736
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 3: no offense like, was definitely associated with a lot of

1737
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 3: the politics.

1738
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: That you've been involved with.

1739
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 3: Some pass was utterly rejected by a lot of those voters.

1740
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 3: So like, why should I believe your vision for governance

1741
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 3: when the very city which you probably had the most

1742
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 3: influence on, not you personally your randon politics to the

1743
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 3: most influence on, basically became an emblem for failed city

1744
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 3: the United States.

1745
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I really think that it was.

1746
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 11: It's a backlash of government dysfunction because I agree, you know,

1747
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 11: I think the San Francisco government has not actually managed

1748
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 11: to take care of the homeless people in our city

1749
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 11: and have them not have to live out out on

1750
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 11: the streets, right, And I'm not sure daniel Lewi's necessarily

1751
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 11: going to fix that either, and we're going to see

1752
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 11: the same backlash.

1753
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 8: I think there's the same reason.

1754
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 11: At a national level, you have someone like Barack Obama

1755
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 11: win on a message of change, and then when people

1756
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 11: feel like that didn't work out, you.

1757
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 8: Have someone like Donald Trump win.

1758
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 11: I think people are really quite open to what the

1759
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,719
Speaker 11: change looks like, but people are really sure that whatever

1760
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 11: we're doing right now that's not working.

1761
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 2: Are you worried that Trump's abuse of government power? Because

1762
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 2: in a certain way, he's kind of greasing the skids

1763
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 2: for what you're talking about. He's like, you know what, Congress,

1764
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: forget it, judiciary brand like, who cares? Who cares about laws?

1765
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm just going to do what I want to do right.

1766
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 2: In a certain way, he creates space for, you know,

1767
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 2: a more aggressive government policy. In another way, something I've

1768
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 2: both been concerned about is like, you know, it gives

1769
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 2: libertarians a bit of an argument of hey, when you've

1770
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 2: got this unchecked government's kind of a problem. Are you

1771
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,879
Speaker 2: worried about a back lash to his abuse of government

1772
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 2: making it more difficult for you know, a vision such

1773
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 2: as yours that does require direct government action to be

1774
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 2: accepted by the people.

1775
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm I'm worried about that. Yeah.

1776
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 11: And I'm the kind of person I don't generally believe

1777
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 11: that there's like one system that'll fix anything like that.

1778
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 11: People do matter, and yeah, you can have you can

1779
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 11: use a powerful government for good and you can use

1780
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 11: it for bad, right, And FDR, in my opinion, was

1781
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 11: an example of how we had a powerful government that

1782
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 11: had lost a capacity used it to improve people's lives. So,

1783
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 11: you know, I think the job here is to try

1784
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 11: to distinguish that, to say that, you know, the stuff

1785
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 11: that's going wrong right now, that's because Trump is throwing

1786
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 11: out Congress, which, by the way, I'm not saying we

1787
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 11: throw out Congress, right, Like FBR actually used to love

1788
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 11: going in front of Congress and you know, defend his ideas,

1789
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 11: and that's how he felt he could build political support

1790
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 11: for it, not all.

1791
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: Not always okay, Yeah, well he did.

1792
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 8: Actually he had all the committee. He actually showed up

1793
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 8: in front Congress, right, and which which Trump has never done.

1794
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 11: And so you know, I think it's more powerful if

1795
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 11: you actually bring civil society and the body politic along

1796
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 11: when you're doing this kind of big approach, Like you

1797
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 11: can't actually just go it alone and have the government

1798
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 11: just do something because you need to have the national night.

1799
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I apologize for getting so specific, but like that is

1801
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 3: part of your job. I'm gonna be represented.

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01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 1: So I think about that mall. What is it the

1803
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Speaker 1: Westfield Mall.

1804
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 8: I bought Westfield.

1805
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: I bought one of my ties there.

1806
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 3: It's empty now, right, it's because of crime, It's because

1807
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 3: of homelessness. I read an article recently in the Wall

1808
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 3: Street Journal. It's a multi billion dollar boondoggle. They won't

1809
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 3: pay the mortgage. Like, what are you going to do

1810
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 3: about that? You know, at the end of it, like

1811
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 3: that was a great place and now it got ruined.

1812
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 3: It got ruined by again a lot of that governance.

1813
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 3: And I'm just not hearing, you know, quite a bit

1814
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 3: about it.

1815
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 11: Right. I'm not going to downplay, you know, the issues

1816
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 11: around homelessness and crime that mall specifically, though, I do

1817
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 11: think there's been some misinformation around.

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01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 8: Because malls are not doing well all around the Count's true.

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01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,839
Speaker 11: We've got some, you know, the japan Town Mall, Stonestown

1820
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 11: Gallery in San Francisco, they're doing great, and they've matched

1821
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 11: a pivot to figure out a model that actually works.

1822
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 8: I get the thing that Westfield just didn't.

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01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 11: They had this old mall style and they're in the

1824
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 11: middle of downtown where there's all this other retail. So yeah,

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01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 11: I think crime and and homeless has had something to

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01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 11: do with it. But I don't think that's the whole

1827
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 11: story with Westfield.

1828
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, I'll take your word for it.

1829
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 3: I just think it's more of a there's a reason why,

1830
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 3: you know, people point to it as it failed, not

1831
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 3: just the mall, but like you don't retail Market Street

1832
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 3: and everything I remember visiting your I can't believe what

1833
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 3: happened to this place. And so that's why I'm just

1834
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 3: honestly a bit skeptical. Like I hear big things about

1835
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 3: green new deal, et cetera. Sure it sounds great, but

1836
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 3: you know, if that's actually how the governance itself of

1837
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 3: the city is having visited, I mean, one of the

1838
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 3: critiques you've had, I know, is around oligarchy, Like you're

1839
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 3: going to be representing probably one of the most per

1840
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 3: capita cities with billionaires.

1841
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: What's your plan to do deal with that?

1842
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 3: There's going to be a lot of you know, paper

1843
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 3: millionaires who are in that district who really like some

1844
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 3: of the more status quo.

1845
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 8: Is it going to be voters?

1846
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: Is it going to be them?

1847
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 3: Because I've seen a lot of them being prioritized by

1848
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 3: San Francisco politicians.

1849
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, we can't.

1850
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 11: I mean, there are a lot of them, but they're

1851
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 11: still a small fraction of the actual city.

1852
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 2: Right.

1853
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 11: And if you look at people in San Francisco, if

1854
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 11: you ask them about this question of oligarchy, especially tech workers. Actually,

1855
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 11: because I talked a lot of tech workers, they hate it.

1856
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 11: You know, tech workers are really embarrassed by being kind

1857
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 11: of represented by people like Elon Musk and Peter Teel

1858
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 11: and David Sachs, and they kind of are the first

1859
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 11: to be like, we need to show that we are

1860
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 11: not them, right, and so in San Francisco, though, when

1861
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 11: you talk about these failed policies, I think, actually the

1862
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 11: failed policies there is a result of the lack of

1863
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 11: state capacity on San Francisco's level, you know, the fact

1864
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 11: that San Francisco doesn't actually build.

1865
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:20,560
Speaker 7: You know.

1866
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 11: And part of my politics here is and this doesn't

1867
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 11: always line up with progressives, but I do think red

1868
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 11: tape and your instruction costs, I'm both, you know. I

1869
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 11: think the thing that the ymbi's I think get right

1870
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 11: is yes, we do actually need to make it faster

1871
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 11: and easier and cheaper to construct. But the thing I

1872
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 11: think they get wrong is that's not going to be

1873
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 11: all we need to actually get stuff built. You know,

1874
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 11: we actually need public financing, social housing, all these other

1875
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 11: tools to make sure we get the stuff built.

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01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're yes, and on a plime, I'm a.

1877
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 8: Yes, sand guy.

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01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:51,719
Speaker 2: Yes, let's talk a little bit about because Sager brings

1879
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 2: up the you know, tech heavy district that you would represent.

1880
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 2: I mean, what are your thoughts on the development of AI,

1881
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 2: the likely you know, mass displacement of workers, the way

1882
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: that would upend the social cast tract. You know, right

1883
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 2: now they're all in what I would consider basically a

1884
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 2: race to the bottom speed who can get you know,

1885
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 2: their AI to AGI fastest without any regard for what

1886
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 2: the consequences to society would be. You know what are

1887
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: I know, you're you know, you're a deep figure on

1888
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 2: all these things. So what are your thoughts there on

1889
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 2: what we should do?

1890
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 6: Man?

1891
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 11: I mean, I think it's so lame that right now

1892
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 11: AI is going to a place where're just going to

1893
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 11: have like a slop TikTok full of AI porn?

1894
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 8: Is I guess like the montization strategy. Yeah, I mean

1895
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 8: it's it is.

1896
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 11: It is just like we've created a speculative bubble where

1897
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 11: we're letting the markets aside where the stuff goes, and

1898
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 11: it's going to create complete dystopia. But I think of

1899
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 11: the AI question, it's kind of downstream from the fact

1900
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 11: that we don't have any capacity at a national level

1901
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 11: to do any sort of planning of where our economy goes, yeah, right,

1902
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 11: and where where some big disruptive technology like this, how

1903
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 11: it should be used, because it could be the case

1904
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 11: that when you have very productive technology, the benefits of

1905
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 11: that is spread across more of society.

1906
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 8: It's not just accumulating the same element.

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01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 11: And there's one version of this whey I equated to

1908
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 11: kind of automation the car Many sector. So when that

1909
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 11: started happening, when car manufacturing started getting really automated.

1910
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 8: In Germany, they have labor and corporations and.

1911
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 11: Government that all sit on the boards of their car manufacturers, right,

1912
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 11: and they do some planning. They're like, this is how

1913
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 11: we're going to do automation in our car manufacturing. The

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01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 11: result of that it has sort of changed because EV's

1915
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 11: have really changed the game. But initially the result of

1916
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 11: that was German workers end up making twice as much

1917
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 11: in wages as their American counterparts. They also made more

1918
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 11: cars per capita than an American car manufacturing, and they

1919
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:29,759
Speaker 11: had more automation than America.

1920
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 8: Right, So I think that's the way we should be

1921
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 8: treating AI.

1922
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 11: We need to actually have society have a say on

1923
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 11: how we're using this technology so it doesn't just turn

1924
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,719
Speaker 11: into you know, slot news feeds.

1925
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 3: You mentioned tech releaders. Where do you stand on the

1926
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 3: H one B question? So you'd be representing a district

1927
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 3: of a lot of yees. You used to talk about

1928
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 3: tech workers. A lot of those people have come to

1929
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 3: me said we're being abused by H one B workers.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about the issue.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I'm in the camp of we definitely

1932
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 11: need reform, Like I do think we need to I

1933
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 11: think we should attach H one B from employer like

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01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 11: employees from employers because I think it's a very exploited

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01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 11: assist them. And I think we need to have higher

1936
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 11: basically prevailing wage requirements on the visa so that there

1937
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 11: it has upward push on wages. So the result of

1938
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 11: bringing it, you know, so you really are bringing in

1939
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 11: H one B workers that you can't hire locally and

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01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 11: it's pushing everyone's wages Upso as net benefit.

1941
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Speaker 1: Do you think these companies have been abusing the HMB system.

1942
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Speaker 1: A lot of them are being your district. Yeah, absolutely,

1943
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Speaker 1: they've not been abusing it.

1944
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Speaker 8: Yes, I'm going to.

1945
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Speaker 2: Talk about the disconnect between where the base of the

1946
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 2: Democratic Party has been and where Democratic Party leadership has

1947
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: been on Israel in particular.

1948
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Speaker 4: If we can put F two up on the screen,

1949
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Speaker 4: this was an.

1950
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Speaker 2: Interesting set of polls that was I think leaked actually

1951
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,799
Speaker 2: that this is from Democrats in a variety of swing districts,

1952
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Speaker 2: so that was the you know, the sample that was

1953
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Speaker 2: taken here, and they ask people for favorable or unfavorable

1954
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 2: views on the variety of things. So unfavorable for Israel

1955
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 2: is fifty percent favorable, is only twenty seven percent, Palestine

1956
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 2: completely opposite, sixty percent favorable, only thirteen percent unfavorable.

1957
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 4: Net Yahu has a.

1958
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Speaker 2: Six percent approval rating, APAC has a sixteen percent approval rating,

1959
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,799
Speaker 2: the Israel Lobby in general fourteen, the UN seventy three positive,

1960
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Speaker 2: and Doctors without Borders eighty two. Can put the next

1961
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Speaker 2: one up on the screen as well. I just some

1962
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Speaker 2: other numbers to chew on with regard to this topic.

1963
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Speaker 2: In your own words, please describe your impressions of Israel.

1964
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 2: They ask here fifty nine percent offer something that is negative.

1965
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 2: The number one response there was there committing a genocide.

1966
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Speaker 2: On the positive side, they're kind of mixed there. The

1967
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 2: number one is support the people, not so much the government.

1968
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 2: Number two is Israel has a right to exist. And

1969
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Speaker 2: then you've got some twelve percent that are more or

1970
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Speaker 2: less neutral to.

1971
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Speaker 4: Their views.

1972
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Speaker 2: Here, let's put the next one up on the screen

1973
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Speaker 2: as well. When thinking about the current crisis in the

1974
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Speaker 2: Middle East, you mostly have sympathy for Palestinians, equal sympathy

1975
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 2: for Palestinians and Israelis, or mostly have sympathy for the

1976
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 2: Israelis five percent, five percent of the Democratic base say

1977
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 2: they mostly have sympathy for the Israelis, and yet their

1978
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 2: leadership overwhelmingly mostly has sympathy for the Israelis.

1979
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Speaker 4: You know, does this feel to you like an important.

1980
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Speaker 2: Like litmus test issue for democratic based voters, because of course,

1981
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 2: if you pull it's not the number one issue that

1982
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 2: most people say. Yet it seems like it's such a

1983
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:18,600
Speaker 2: moral abomination and such a failure, a moral failure on

1984
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 2: the part of democratic leadership who likes to posture like

1985
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 2: they care about human rights and they care about international law.

1986
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Speaker 7: That to me.

1987
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Speaker 2: It seems that it has become an important kind of

1988
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Speaker 2: dividing line issue in democratic primaries in particular.

1989
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree. I think it's become a proxy for

1990
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Speaker 8: the larger question of who do you serve?

1991
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Speaker 6: Right?

1992
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Speaker 8: Are you actually representing people? Are you representing money?

1993
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Speaker 11: Yeah, because there's no explanation for why you would continue

1994
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 11: voting to send unconditional military funding to Israel when your

1995
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 11: voters are telling you they don't want it, when you

1996
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 11: see the horrible genocide that Israel's committing with that money,

1997
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 11: when it's against our own law, the Lehi law says

1998
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 11: we shouldn't be doing this other than money, Right, that's

1999
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 11: the only answer. And you know, I actually think you

2000
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 11: see this on a whole host of issues. You know,

2001
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 11: there's a big divide between our voters are at on

2002
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 11: things like a comngrescional stock trading ban, right or banning

2003
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 11: the revolving goal, becking Congress and the lobby industry on

2004
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 11: big money, and where politicians are at. And you know

2005
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 11: that's honestly, it's a big political opportunity in some cases

2006
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 11: for people like me who are running, who are actually

2007
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 11: just running on these issues that are very popular. I

2008
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 11: you know, you get painted as progressives, which I call

2009
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 11: myself a progressive, but it's really just popular issues.

2010
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 3: So what did you think give your old boss's decision

2011
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 3: to vote for defensive weapons to Israel?

2012
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Speaker 1: Is that a vote that you would say.

2013
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Speaker 11: I wouldn't have voted the same way as No, But

2014
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 11: but you know, I think if you look at she

2015
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 11: did the same vote as Bernie, they've been voting that

2016
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 11: way for a long time, and ultimately she didn't actually

2017
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 11: vote on the bill.

2018
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 8: So you know, no real money got sent to Israel there.

2019
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the logic of it, so you're saying no

2020
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:46,600
Speaker 1: more at what's your what's my logic on it?

2021
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 11: Is any money money we're sending to Israel right now,

2022
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 11: like I don't think they're being so careful about this

2023
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 11: is only going to defenses, only going to offense. Any

2024
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 11: money we give to to support their defensive capabilities, that's

2025
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 11: more money they have for their offensive capabilities, and those

2026
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 11: offensive capability are being used for blorrent actions right now.

2027
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 2: Last question for you, did serve as as chief of staff.

2028
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 2: She's talked about both as a potential primary challenger Chuck Shermore,

2029
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 2: which frankly I think she would win an old Landslide

2030
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 2: if he even decided to run again, And she's also

2031
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 2: talked about as a potential presidential contender. Do you think,

2032
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 2: you know, she could be an effective presidential contender. Do

2033
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 2: you think that she, you know, would have an ability

2034
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 2: to lead the country in that way?

2035
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 8: Absolutely? Yeah, I think.

2036
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 11: I mean, I think she is a generational talent, and

2037
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 11: I think she's incredible communicating. I think the thing she's

2038
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 11: got is twofold one. She actually cares, which is rare

2039
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 11: in politicians, and she is able to explain things and

2040
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 11: do the kind of politics that I think is necessary

2041
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 11: for this moment, Like if we want to do big stuff,

2042
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 11: you know, if we want to actually get the country

2043
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 11: to be able to do these big structural changes, you know,

2044
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,679
Speaker 11: fix healthcare, get industrialization happening again, you actually need someone

2045
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 11: in the presidency who's able to communicate that and use

2046
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 11: as a way to build political will to do.

2047
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 8: Those big things.

2048
01:35:58,280 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 11: You're not gonna be able to do it through a

2049
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 11: regular establishment democrat who's just pull testing everything and figuring

2050
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 11: out what to say.

2051
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 8: You know at the moment.

2052
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 3: See, that's interesting because when you came in I remember

2053
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 3: when you became re chrieve of Stack because you're a

2054
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:11,720
Speaker 3: shitsterer in Congress, which which I like.

2055
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 8: I loved it.

2056
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: That's part of the reason I've always respected you.

2057
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 3: But the critique I've seen from a lot of progressives

2058
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 3: has been that after you left, I forget your other

2059
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 3: colleagues name after the two of you guys, corpent that's

2060
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 3: right after the two of you guys left. It's like,

2061
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 3: now we're starting to play the Pelosi game. We're starting

2062
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 3: to go for the Oversight Committee, even though we're still

2063
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 3: not going to get it, start to play ball with leadership.

2064
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 3: We're not doing sit ins anymore. So what do you

2065
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 3: think went wrong or if anything went wrong?

2066
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 11: I don't think anything went wrong. I mean I left,

2067
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 11: you know, I love sort of in a planned way.

2068
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 8: Like I came in. I did the shit starting to

2069
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 8: get the Green New Deal, launch, got her office hired,

2070
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 8: and I had a kid on the way, right, and

2071
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 8: I got out, and you know, I think I think.

2072
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 11: She needs support, right, Like That's the piece of this

2073
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 11: is if someone like ac does become president, she actually

2074
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 11: wants to do this big thing. That's really what it

2075
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 11: comes down to, because not just about winning this presidency,

2076
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 11: we actually have to deliver at the end of the

2077
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 11: day or it is going to go back to some

2078
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 11: sort of a authoritarianism.

2079
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 8: But she's going to need a Congress to back her up.

2080
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 11: And that's like a big part of my focus right

2081
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 11: now is I am trying to recruit people to run

2082
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 11: all across the country. I'm talking to people who are

2083
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 11: popping up primary Democrats. We're going to need a move

2084
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 11: into replace a whole bunch of these Democrats to completely

2085
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 11: change the party. And in that sort of environment, I

2086
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:18,600
Speaker 11: think she can be very successful.

2087
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Schrecott. Tell people where they can support

2088
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 2: your campaign if they're so inclined.

2089
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, go to my website. It's Choycott do us, Sai

2090
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 11: kat do us. You know, I mentioned in that poll

2091
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 11: that if all we do is get everyone to hear

2092
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 11: about this campaign in the district, we're going to win.

2093
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 11: So we're doing a huge volunteer run operation. So if

2094
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 11: you'd live in the Bay area, you can come out

2095
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 11: to Canvas. We've been canvassing every weekend. We again like

2096
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 11: fifty to sixty people every day on Saturday and Sundays

2097
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 11: in But if you're outside of the district, we're doing

2098
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 11: phone banks from anywhere in the country. So please time

2099
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 11: to volunteer on my website or you know, send a

2100
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 11: few bucks our way.

2101
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 8: If that works.

2102
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 1: I'll be looking at your campaign with interest. Ser So

2103
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,600
Speaker 1: we'll see you later, all right, thanks so much for

2104
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 1: having me. Thank you guys so much for watching.

2105
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to skip the Epstein set in today

2106
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 3: just because we went long as usual.

2107
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 1: Don't worry, we'll cover it tomorrow. We'll see you all

2108
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Speaker 1: then