Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff
Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, they're welcome to stuff to Blow
Speaker 1: your Mind. I'm Julie Douglas, and this week Robert Lamb
Speaker 1: is out getting his dendrites cleaned, so we thought, hey,
Speaker 1: why not run an encore presentation of one of our
Speaker 1: favorite episodes, The Wind Beneath My Surgical Wings. It is
Speaker 1: a nice, juicy topic that delves into the transcendence of
Speaker 1: our limited biological capabilities with a dream of light, of course,
Speaker 1: So enough preamble, hope that you enjoyed. Julie, who is
Speaker 1: not dream of either having wings themselves or just dreams
Speaker 1: of winged humanoids flying about? I mean, it's the stuff
Speaker 1: of just ancient myth, the stuff of fantasy, the stuff
Speaker 1: of religion, the stuff of of art. It's there's something
Speaker 1: just irresistible about the idea of a human with the
Speaker 1: wings of a bird, or even the wings of a bat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The desire to fly, I think is pretty universal. Even
Speaker 1: Dorothy from Oz right somewhere of the rainbow, bluebirds fly,
Speaker 1: birds fly over the rainbow? Why then, oh, why can't
Speaker 1: I go to singing the rest? Okay? But yeah, one
Speaker 1: example that always comes to my mind. I mean there
Speaker 1: are a lot of aiconic ones. Obviously, the myth of
Speaker 1: Acarus and dayalists big the idea that you know, they
Speaker 1: built these wings and then they fly too close to
Speaker 1: the sun and then they plummet. It's just a fantastic
Speaker 1: metaphor for so much in human endeavor, human technology, um,
Speaker 1: humans reaching to achieve things that they were not necessarily
Speaker 1: biologically gifted with, but via their intelligence, are in a
Speaker 1: sense genetically gifted with. I also think back to a
Speaker 1: book called Goodbye to All That by Robert Graves, British
Speaker 1: author who famously wrote I Claudius Um. It's probably what
Speaker 1: he's most known for, but this was his biography and
Speaker 1: he was talking about his um, his service in World
Speaker 1: War One. There's a bit about mountain climbing in that
Speaker 1: as well, because he was one of these just really
Speaker 1: adventurous dudes. He'd go out with his his pals and
Speaker 1: they would scale these these towering cliffs. And there was
Speaker 1: one point where he's talking about, you know, clinging to
Speaker 1: the side of this this rock face. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty to someone like me who is not a mountain
Speaker 1: climber and will never mountain climb terrifying idea, just to
Speaker 1: imagine myself clinging to the side of a mountain face.
Speaker 1: But he was unfazed by it. He was an adventurous dude,
Speaker 1: had bravery in just a natural inclination for this kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But one time he said, they're scaling, They're
Speaker 1: they're a little tired clinging to the side, and a
Speaker 1: bird like sort of float flies by, but given the
Speaker 1: altitude and the wind kind of floats out there to
Speaker 1: the side, and and he mentioned he was just so
Speaker 1: unnerving the idea that it was like the bird was
Speaker 1: was coaxing him into letting go, as if there was
Speaker 1: another way, as if he could fly, which which also
Speaker 1: gets into these weird impulses we sometimes have of almost
Speaker 1: like off destructive impulses. The the idea that, oh, if
Speaker 1: I get too close to the edge of the building,
Speaker 1: I might jump off. I was to say, because I
Speaker 1: have that. So even if I'm say, like a fairly
Speaker 1: like simple structure like a mall on the second floor,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to the edge because I
Speaker 1: feel as if I'm going to plunge off. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting that there's this idea of him, you know,
Speaker 1: clinging to the side and this bird sort of mocking
Speaker 1: him to the limits of his own morphology, right, like, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: you're never gonna have wings. You might think you're this
Speaker 1: cool that you can, you know, rock climb up here,
Speaker 1: but you know, let me just buzz around you and
Speaker 1: remind you of this. Yeah. It's like, in a sense,
Speaker 1: we see the birds flying and we we ended it,
Speaker 1: and we feel to a certain extent like it's our
Speaker 1: birthright because vast empty air, vast heights are terrifying, because
Speaker 1: we know that that's a limitation to us. We know
Speaker 1: that those are those are heights that we cannot really
Speaker 1: ascend to. Yes, we you know, we we have airplanes
Speaker 1: at our disposal. We have various, uh methods of flight
Speaker 1: and gliding and skydiving and every think, but they're all
Speaker 1: kind of cheap imitations of the natural biological gifts of
Speaker 1: a bird. That's right, We're greedy. We want it for ourselves.
Speaker 1: It's not enough that we have created flight in the
Speaker 1: form of jets and planes and uh, you know, various
Speaker 1: other modes of transportation. So the question and the question
Speaker 1: for this podcast is is it would it be possible?
Speaker 1: Is it really possible that we could somehow create wings
Speaker 1: for ourselves? Um? And I'm not talking just like strapping
Speaker 1: on wings, because there are wingsuits which are phenomenal. There's
Speaker 1: an article on them on how stuff works dot com
Speaker 1: that I wrote, how wingsuits work, and it's phenomenal technology
Speaker 1: and the people who use them are insane and also
Speaker 1: highly skilled. Um. But yeah, could we actually have biological
Speaker 1: wings that are a part of us, that are an
Speaker 1: extension of us? Right? Could we gain our bodies in
Speaker 1: our minds in order to actually have this be a
Speaker 1: part of our own morphology? And why not? Right? Because
Speaker 1: we've talked about this, this is this is not so crazy, uman,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely out there. But there are so many different
Speaker 1: ways that we have augmented our reality in our physicality
Speaker 1: that uh, no doubt one day this could be a possibility. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you'd, like you said, there's so many things
Speaker 1: we do to our bodies. Anyway, we went into this,
Speaker 1: We've got into this a number of times. We talked
Speaker 1: about posthumanism quite a bit, and and cybernetics. We did
Speaker 1: an episode called the Werewolf Principle um, which probably wasn't
Speaker 1: the best title in the world because it doesn't have
Speaker 1: anything to do with werewolves. It's about that has to
Speaker 1: do with a sci fi story I was reading at
Speaker 1: the time, but the idea that we change our but
Speaker 1: potentially we change our bodies in order to explore space
Speaker 1: and to explore the world. Instead of attempting to bring
Speaker 1: a portion of our atmosphere in our environment with us,
Speaker 1: uh and and and our limitations with us, we instead
Speaker 1: alter ourselves. And certainly we make a lot of augmentations
Speaker 1: to ourselves anyway, so many things such as glasses, contacts,
Speaker 1: various biomedical equipment is added to the human body. We're
Speaker 1: making these changes anyway, for things that are generally thought
Speaker 1: of it is necessary. Um. And then we also make
Speaker 1: changes that are cosmetic in nature. But what about wings? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: And in order to actually really get to the meat
Speaker 1: of this conversation, we have to bring up Dr Joseph Rosen.
Speaker 1: He is a Dartmouth plastic surgeon and reconstructive surgeon. And
Speaker 1: it's um, I think would be pretty mild just to
Speaker 1: say that he's a futurist. Yeah, And he's a definitely
Speaker 1: a futurist, definitely a post humanist and a he's he's
Speaker 1: one of these amazing individuals that if you look him up.
Speaker 1: You'll find various articles about his work UM, but in particular,
Speaker 1: there was a two thousand and one UM interview slash
Speaker 1: profile in Harper's Magazine by Lawrence Slater. Highly recommend anyone
Speaker 1: read who's fascinated by this topic. It was called Dr Dadalus.
Speaker 1: It's an excellent article. Actually, the way that it was
Speaker 1: written reminded me of Mary Rich in the way that
Speaker 1: she approaches her material, So it is well worth checking out. Alright,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break, stay tuned for more
Speaker 1: so with Rosen here's the thing he is. He's totally
Speaker 1: steeped in his profession and he takes on something like
Speaker 1: five hundred patients a year to do mostly reconstructive surgery,
Speaker 1: but some plastic surgery as well. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: someone he was an absolute expert in his field. He is, uh,
Speaker 1: he's steeped in the practicalities of it, but he is
Speaker 1: also a big thinker. Yeah, he's a plastic surgeon, but
Speaker 1: but not a mirror cosmetic surgeon. And the article in
Speaker 1: question went into sort of around the turn of the
Speaker 1: millennium where plastic surgery stood about the idea that it's
Speaker 1: sort of sort of in this place where it's often
Speaker 1: looked down on um by people outside of the medical profession,
Speaker 1: and sometimes within the medical profession may be seen as
Speaker 1: as a as a lesser medical practice, which of course
Speaker 1: is not not the case when you look at the
Speaker 1: the the non cosmetic applications, when you're looking at people
Speaker 1: who have undergone a serious injury, particularly facial injuries for instance,
Speaker 1: and finding ways to correct that and and bring a
Speaker 1: certain amount of normalcy back to that person's life. When
Speaker 1: you look at cleft palate and cleft lip reconstruction, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a lot that goes on in
Speaker 1: plastic surgery that is not breast jobs. But but that
Speaker 1: tends to be sort of the the easy association that
Speaker 1: people make when you just hear plastic surgeon on TV. Oh,
Speaker 1: she went to the plastic surgeon's office. That means she
Speaker 1: had something superficial and unnecessary done. But plastic surgery is
Speaker 1: bigger than that, much bigger. And uh, you know, as
Speaker 1: you could said that he has he's worked on reconstructing
Speaker 1: faces um winded warrior winded warrior causes, right, So we're
Speaker 1: talking about catastrophic poly trauma. So if you're in if
Speaker 1: you're a soldier and you have undergone this trauma, what
Speaker 1: that means is that you have so many various problems
Speaker 1: going on um that you can't necessarily find a solution
Speaker 1: to all of those injuries. But what Dr Rosen can
Speaker 1: do is he can fashion a new knows um. But
Speaker 1: he can't restore that soldier's sense of smell, he can
Speaker 1: at least give some sort of normalcy back to that person.
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of work that he does there. Um.
Speaker 1: He also is working on healthcare reform that this is
Speaker 1: really interesting. This is in the form of cybercare. He
Speaker 1: argues that our hospital system is just uh, you know,
Speaker 1: an outgrowth of the Civil War. In other words, it
Speaker 1: was set up to administer to a huge amount of
Speaker 1: massive casualties. And he's saying that that's just not the
Speaker 1: way that the world works today. And he is helping
Speaker 1: to revamp the national healthcare system Vietnam using cell phones
Speaker 1: and laptops to link clinics, hospitals, and rural physicians. So
Speaker 1: this guy is a renaissance man. And like I said,
Speaker 1: he's a big thinker, which is extended over to his
Speaker 1: ideas about what we can do in terms of improving,
Speaker 1: not just augmenting, I should say, but really heightening our
Speaker 1: senses as a human being, in augmenting our experiences as
Speaker 1: a human being. Yeah, he's an amazing thinker. And then
Speaker 1: he really he's the cliche, you know, thinks outside the box.
Speaker 1: He is the he's a bit of a rebel. He's
Speaker 1: he's questioning authority and questioning sort of normal approaches to
Speaker 1: things all the time. And you see that with with
Speaker 1: with various gifted minds out there. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: not merely that they work really hard and are just
Speaker 1: geniuses within the confines of their profession, within the confines
Speaker 1: of their their role in society, but they actually think
Speaker 1: beyond the typical constraints. It's true. Like, for instance, he
Speaker 1: says that a salamander can regenerate an arm in forty
Speaker 1: two days, So he says, somewhere in your own genome
Speaker 1: that ability still exists. He says, why can't we go
Speaker 1: ahead and find that figure that out so that we
Speaker 1: can regenerate a whole limb for ourselves. And he says,
Speaker 1: we can do it. It's just a matter of you know,
Speaker 1: twenty to fifty years to coming up with that. Um
Speaker 1: so you know, he also looks at soldiers again who
Speaker 1: have had those catastrophic A traumas, and he says, why
Speaker 1: can't we use a whole body prophesis, like you know
Speaker 1: that's made out an exo skeleton. Um. You know, obviously
Speaker 1: cost is a factor in perception because it's not to
Speaker 1: it's not too normal. They see someone trapesing through a hallway,
Speaker 1: who's you know, in case in excess skeleton. But he's
Speaker 1: got these ideas of how to make it work for
Speaker 1: humans and how to, as I said, augment the experiences
Speaker 1: for people and make it better. Yeah, he wants to
Speaker 1: make it better. He wants to fix it. You see
Speaker 1: that both in in healthcare reform, as you mentioned, but
Speaker 1: also but more importantly, in the human body. There's a
Speaker 1: great quote from that article that I think really sums
Speaker 1: up a lot about Rosen's outlook on not just plastic
Speaker 1: surgery but life. He says, you know, I'm really proud
Speaker 1: of that face. And he's talking about some facial reconstruction
Speaker 1: that he performed on an individual who lost a lot
Speaker 1: of it to cancer. Because I'm really proud of that face.
Speaker 1: I didn't follow any protocol. There's no textbook to tell
Speaker 1: you how to fashion of face eaten away by cancer.
Speaker 1: Plastic surgery is the intersection of art and science. It's
Speaker 1: the intersection of the surgeons imagination with human flesh, and
Speaker 1: human flesh is infinitely malleable. People say cosmetic surgery is
Speaker 1: frivolous boobs and noses, but it's so much more than that.
Speaker 1: The body is a conduit for the soul, at least
Speaker 1: historically speaking. When you change what you look like, you
Speaker 1: change who you are so well, and it doesn't that
Speaker 1: kind of speak to a lot of what we've talked
Speaker 1: about in the podcast in terms of studies having to
Speaker 1: do with psychology the whole, like you you know, take
Speaker 1: it till you make it, or you know, if you
Speaker 1: assume a powerful posture, then your body responds physiologically, So
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of what he's saying is is
Speaker 1: there's a truth there that if you can change yourself
Speaker 1: in that way, then certainly physically and mentally, things will follow. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's get into some of his really fun post
Speaker 1: humanist dreams for the human body. Yeah, because he again
Speaker 1: he's all about making the changes necessary, arguably necessary in
Speaker 1: some cases to make us better beings. For instance, ocular
Speaker 1: implants new rods for the eyes to give a super
Speaker 1: binocular vision. UM soldier implants like, this is great a
Speaker 1: nose flash light because you know your nose is just there.
Speaker 1: You know it's important for breathing. But you know optics
Speaker 1: to optic technology grow smaller and smaller, why not have
Speaker 1: a light up there? Imagine you sort of you know,
Speaker 1: you click one nostril and then a light shines out
Speaker 1: the other nose and you it's perfect for reading. It's
Speaker 1: a great idea. Really, now, I can just see eight
Speaker 1: year old really having fun with that when they blow
Speaker 1: their nose. Yeah. Yeah, like light flashes, like really bright
Speaker 1: light every time you sneeze. But it's stuff like that,
Speaker 1: like when you say it, like we're even laughing because
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. It's so different from what we're used to.
Speaker 1: But Rosen is the kind of guy that says, no,
Speaker 1: why are you laughing? Because this is actually really practical. Right,
Speaker 1: he's saying, in a military sense, why wouldn't you want
Speaker 1: your soldier outfitted with us? Right? Because it makes perfect sense. Um.
Speaker 1: Cochlear implants, of course, are already in existence, but what
Speaker 1: he is suggesting is that you have cochlear implants that
Speaker 1: the hands are hearing, essentially giving us far superior auditory powers,
Speaker 1: so we'd be able to detect things miles away, again
Speaker 1: becoming superhuman. And uh, because, as we've mentioned before, the
Speaker 1: senses that we used to perceive the world are in
Speaker 1: varying degrees limited or extremely limited even compared to other animals. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like the mantis shrimp, which sees and
Speaker 1: all this vast array of colors that we can scarcely imagine.
Speaker 1: We've talked about when we're talking about bats, how it's
Speaker 1: almost impossible for us to really imagine what it's like
Speaker 1: to to quote unquote see the world as a bat.
Speaker 1: So instead of being limited by this this world that
Speaker 1: we've painted in just a few different colors, he's saying,
Speaker 1: why don't we paint the world in more colors? Why
Speaker 1: don't we update our our machinery so that we can
Speaker 1: paint a more brilliant world. You know, that's an interesting
Speaker 1: concept to think about when, especially in the U. I
Speaker 1: guess in the context of how we are bombard did
Speaker 1: with stimuli these days, and we've talked about this and
Speaker 1: the multitasking episodes quite a bit, so I wonder if
Speaker 1: if doing that, if sort of upping your experience of
Speaker 1: that stimuli would would make sense in this sort of
Speaker 1: new world where you're getting thrown things all the time.
Speaker 1: So if you can, other words, if you can kind
Speaker 1: of tune in a little bit more, things are a
Speaker 1: little bit louder, things are a little bit brighter. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense for the modern human mind? Yeah, sort
Speaker 1: of opening ended question there, But I wanted to point
Speaker 1: out that Rosen is also a fan of equo location
Speaker 1: implants and fins fins, Yes, why not? I mean it
Speaker 1: comes down to a lot of you know, biomimicry. If
Speaker 1: you want to see how to swim, look for it.
Speaker 1: Look at an animal that has evolved over the course
Speaker 1: of millions and millions of years to be an incredible swimmer.
Speaker 1: That's what you need to do. And that we do
Speaker 1: that to a certain extent, and looking at the shark
Speaker 1: skin and then adapting that into swimwear. Um. But he's
Speaker 1: talking about taking it even even further, and of course
Speaker 1: his pet project, his pet thought experiment. I guess you
Speaker 1: could say surgical wings, because this is really where his
Speaker 1: engineering brain meets his his his reconstructive brain and brushes
Speaker 1: up against the brain of mad science for sure, But
Speaker 1: it is important to think of it as as a
Speaker 1: thought experiment. Um, he is not trying to do this
Speaker 1: or anything that we know of, uh, but but it
Speaker 1: is a great thought experience for just what are you know?
Speaker 1: What are we willing to do? What can we do?
Speaker 1: And why are we why do we feel weird about
Speaker 1: going into some of these areas? Like for instance, so
Speaker 1: one of the examples he brings up just in plastic surgery,
Speaker 1: and one, I mean he brings it up. He brings
Speaker 1: it up at conferences because this this dude has been
Speaker 1: an amazing figure in plastic surgery. He travels all over
Speaker 1: the world, speaks a big conferences. He's an influential character.
Speaker 1: So he's not just his voice out on the fringe.
Speaker 1: He's a leading figure. Um, So he brought up for instance,
Speaker 1: you have a man walks into the surgeon's office and
Speaker 1: he has an extra thumb. Um, he's then he is
Speaker 1: a doctor is allowed to take that thumb off. But
Speaker 1: but if a person comes in and says, hey, I
Speaker 1: would like an extra thumb, then he can't. He can't
Speaker 1: do that. That's that's just completely crazy. And then nobody
Speaker 1: adds extra thumbs to people. But he was saying that
Speaker 1: he there was one person that who was I would
Speaker 1: give a waiter server and had an extra thumb and
Speaker 1: it actually aided that person in their job. This is
Speaker 1: an actual person with the second thumb. And he was saying, well,
Speaker 1: that that was helping that person out. So, yeah, why
Speaker 1: is it beyond the pail to add extra digits? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then there's also the breast uh example that he
Speaker 1: brings up, um, And this is he brought this up
Speaker 1: when people were pressing him on the wing issue because
Speaker 1: he'd mentioned it before, and then at a conference some
Speaker 1: people who were kind of you know, they're a little
Speaker 1: freaked out by this, and they're saying, would you really
Speaker 1: do that? Would you really give somebody wings? Or would
Speaker 1: you give somebody, you know, lizard skin? Would you really
Speaker 1: do any of these crazy things? And so he's bringing
Speaker 1: up various examples to to make his his point. And
Speaker 1: he pointed out that that there was a lady that
Speaker 1: he'd come across that was the need of breast reconstruction
Speaker 1: and she wanted blue areolas and have anything to say
Speaker 1: about that, but he said, well, you know what's wrong
Speaker 1: with that? Um? You know what why not. If the
Speaker 1: person wants to have blue areolas, let him have blue areolas.
Speaker 1: How is that different from a lot of the things
Speaker 1: we do to our bodies? You know, for some reason,
Speaker 1: of all the things that have been said on this podcast,
Speaker 1: that's the one thing that made me Bush don't ask
Speaker 1: me why, um, you know, And it's stuff like this
Speaker 1: I think that makes people sort of look at him
Speaker 1: a little sideways. But the fact of the matter, as
Speaker 1: I said, this is someone who is an absolute expert
Speaker 1: in his field and steeped in the technology. He's on
Speaker 1: the advisory panel for the Navy as well as NASA.
Speaker 1: His insights on human machine interfaces brought him to the
Speaker 1: attention of the Department of Defense here in the States,
Speaker 1: and they've sought his views on virtual reality, future warfare,
Speaker 1: and bio terrorism. So people want his brain, they want
Speaker 1: to know what's going on and rumbling around in that
Speaker 1: brain is blue aery, aerials and uh, you know, nose
Speaker 1: flashlights and surgical wings. Yeah, because again he's one of
Speaker 1: these guys that he thinks or sees something in the
Speaker 1: world and it's it's like it instantly, the wheels are turning,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't take anything for Granted, he thinks about
Speaker 1: it's possible applications, possible ways to improve it, like, for instance,
Speaker 1: with rhinoplastic which often is you know, typically about correcting
Speaker 1: rebuilding the nose, or or making cosmetic adjustments to the nose.
Speaker 1: But he's saying that that hasn't even reached his full
Speaker 1: potential that we could we can improve upon the nose
Speaker 1: and then ultimately improvements that we make to the human
Speaker 1: body need not be a surgical in nature, but a
Speaker 1: genetic in nature. Okay, so he's talking about gaming the
Speaker 1: body now through genetics as opposed to plastic surgery or
Speaker 1: getting married eventually. Yeah. Um, Now again you have to
Speaker 1: kind of take his perspective on a little bit if
Speaker 1: this seems odd to you. I mean, again, here's someone
Speaker 1: who's doing five hundred procedures a year. And keep in
Speaker 1: mind that in two thousand and ten, Americans spent over
Speaker 1: ten billion dollars on cosmetic surgery. So if you're in
Speaker 1: this field and you see this over and over again,
Speaker 1: and your futurist you can't help but sit there and say,
Speaker 1: how can I actually improve upon this process? And if
Speaker 1: this is the way that humanity is going, why not
Speaker 1: make it really incredible. Why not chase after the idea
Speaker 1: of flight, which is something that humans, you know, have
Speaker 1: always secretly or not so secretly wanted for themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's at this conference again, people keep pressing in
Speaker 1: on this issue, and finally he does answer. Because he's
Speaker 1: not the kind of guy that's gonna not tell you
Speaker 1: exactly what he thinks about a topic. He said, and
Speaker 1: they said, would you perform this surgery on someone if
Speaker 1: they want the blue arial the one? No, I think
Speaker 1: he was talking about wings in this case. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just still stuck on hypothetically, and we'll get into the
Speaker 1: mechanics possible mechanics of this surgery in a bet that
Speaker 1: he said, yes, I would. I can certainly see why
Speaker 1: we don't devote research money to it. I can see
Speaker 1: why the n i H would fund work on breast
Speaker 1: cancer over this. But I don't have a problem with
Speaker 1: altering the human form. We do it all the time.
Speaker 1: It's only are you Dao Christian conservatism that makes us
Speaker 1: think this is wrong? Who here doesn't try to send
Speaker 1: their children to the best schools in the hopes of
Speaker 1: altering them? Who here objects to palm pilot a thing
Speaker 1: we we class to our bodies with which we receive
Speaker 1: rapid electronic signals. Who here doesn't surround themselves with a
Speaker 1: metal shell and travel at depth defying speeds. We have
Speaker 1: always altered ourselves for beauty or for power, and so
Speaker 1: long as we are not causing harm, what makes us
Speaker 1: think we should stop? And again, that quote is from
Speaker 1: the excellent article by Laurence Slater two thousand one Harvard Magazine.
Speaker 1: Dr dayalis Um highly recommend everyone check that out. So
Speaker 1: we're going to actually close out the this episode right here,
Speaker 1: part one of Surgical Wings, and we're going to continue
Speaker 1: this in Surgical Wings Part two, where we'll really get
Speaker 1: more into the nitty gritty of how you could surgically
Speaker 1: make this uh seemingly impossible thing happen. I like this
Speaker 1: analogy of surgery, and here we are. We're gonna leave
Speaker 1: you guys in the middle, but we're gonna suit tre
Speaker 1: you up in the next part. So statuned for that. So,
Speaker 1: gentle listeners, that was part one, make sure you listen
Speaker 1: in on Thursday for part two. If you want to
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