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Speaker 2: Save me. It's NFL Trade day and nick Cowboys have
Speaker 2: made a trade. You're on Mickshots President by Miller Lite,
Speaker 2: Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola. As we are
Speaker 2: now less than three hours away from the trade deadline
Speaker 2: in the National Football League, and the Cowboys have made
Speaker 2: a trade, picking in the dog guys Jonathan Mingo, wide
Speaker 2: receiver from the Carolina Panthers for a fourth round draft pick.
Speaker 2: And that's how we get started here on mix shots.
Speaker 2: How we doing?
Speaker 3: That's nice? I'm good. Well are we making moves now?
Speaker 2: The important thing?
Speaker 1: Did you all vote?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah? Two weeks ago?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's that's ourry.
Speaker 1: The trade deadline's kind of pushing that down the prior list.
Speaker 3: Right. There was no way I was gonna wait, Jerry.
Speaker 2: Jerry was asked on his radio show last Friday, if
Speaker 2: there's anything that he could do on Tuesday that would
Speaker 2: uh put the put the other news of the day
Speaker 2: on the back burner. And that's what prompted him to
Speaker 2: say that he wants us to move move the ball
Speaker 2: forward as a country and move the ball forward as
Speaker 2: a team.
Speaker 1: Then at the end today to something.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't hear today with something.
Speaker 1: About the election when he signed off.
Speaker 2: Good yeah, d that's right, that's right. Yeah. So there
Speaker 2: we go have the Cowboys moved the ball forward as
Speaker 2: a team with a trade for Jonathan Mingo.
Speaker 3: This guy I don't know. Talk to me.
Speaker 1: Well, what did the Big Green Notebook have to say
Speaker 1: about him? There?
Speaker 2: Well, it says that he was a second round draft
Speaker 2: pick last year, thirty ninth pick of the draft for
Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 1: And they want to know what it said before the draft.
Speaker 2: I failed a note back to the twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: Green Notebook. He was not Keon Coleman. Let's just put
Speaker 2: it that way, okay, okay, And Keon Coleman well, of
Speaker 2: course went to the Buffalo Bill's early second round this year.
Speaker 2: He was my guy this year. Yes, but you're back
Speaker 2: more than one guy, No, but he was the guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, everybody's guy, but it was.
Speaker 2: But I said on draft Day, when they didn't take
Speaker 2: a wide receiver in the top one hundred picks, that
Speaker 2: they're going to be making a trade for a wide
Speaker 2: receiver at the trade deadline because I felt like there
Speaker 2: was a need on this team for a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: And I go back to two thousand and nine when
Speaker 2: my guy was Jordy Nelson, and it was it was
Speaker 2: Mike Jenkins and Felix Jones had two first round draft
Speaker 2: picks that year, late first round, and he went to
Speaker 2: the Packers' early second round, about the same place that
Speaker 2: Jonathan Mingo did to Carolina last year. And the Cowboys
Speaker 2: wound up at midseason that year trading and trading away
Speaker 2: a first round that was two thousand and eight, and
Speaker 2: then in two thousand they traded away their two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine first round draft pick for Roy Williams. Okay,
Speaker 2: so it was the eight draft was the Felix Jones
Speaker 2: and Mike Jenkins and Jordy Nelson came out. And then
Speaker 2: fast forward to twenty seventeen, I guess and my guy
Speaker 2: was Juju Smith Schuster and uh he went. They could
Speaker 2: have taken him, uh, and they didn't, and they wound
Speaker 2: up trading for Marii Cooper that year.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Cooper was better than Juju Smith's shooting.
Speaker 2: But they wound up giving up a future first round
Speaker 2: draft I know, I know, so I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that. I'm not saying was it better then? But
Speaker 2: you're giving up a first round draft pick for it?
Speaker 2: And Juju was the second.
Speaker 1: Round and they got first round return.
Speaker 3: From damn right, I try. Yeah, turned the season around.
Speaker 1: For a couple of years until he got too expensive.
Speaker 3: How that?
Speaker 2: How that draft go? The following year, that was the
Speaker 2: Tristan Hill draft in the second.
Speaker 1: Round, So Tristan oh yeah, okay, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And we know how bad the two thousand and nine
Speaker 2: draft was. It was one of the worst in history.
Speaker 2: What well they only had they had a because they
Speaker 2: traded away the first round draft pick.
Speaker 1: And they traded out of the second.
Speaker 2: So this is on a lesser this is on a
Speaker 2: much lesser level. They're giving up a fourth round pick
Speaker 2: for Jonathan Mingo. And this, in my opinion, this trade
Speaker 2: is not about this year. It's about the next two years.
Speaker 3: Well, so what you mean they're going to hold him
Speaker 3: for bait.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying that that he's this guy's not gonna
Speaker 1: come in and save the seasons.
Speaker 2: People are comparing the value the compensation of the DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper, DeVante Adams. Well, the Cowboys are gave up
Speaker 2: too much. They gave up a fourth round draft pick
Speaker 2: and the other and I've got the list in front
Speaker 2: of my we go look it up. But it's the
Speaker 2: difference is this Mingo is twenty three years old, he
Speaker 2: was a second round draft pick last year, and the
Speaker 2: Cowboys have him for the next couple of years. He
Speaker 2: does become a free agent until twenty twenty seven, so
Speaker 2: they got him for the twenty five season, the twenty
Speaker 2: sixth season, and they're gonna need a wide receiver in
Speaker 2: twenty five and twenty six and we'll see how he develops.
Speaker 1: And from a salary standpoint, he's not gonna cost And.
Speaker 2: So that's why the compensation was what it was, rather
Speaker 2: than on these rental players that other teams UH traded
Speaker 2: for this year.
Speaker 1: So let's just start here. You're not going to change
Speaker 1: six two two twenty four point four to six. That's
Speaker 1: what he was coming out in the combine. Uh, so
Speaker 1: you've got that and everybody's looking at it. Twenty he's big, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he can run two bench reps and twenty two
Speaker 1: bench reps. Yes, absolutely, four four six.
Speaker 2: So everybody's reminds me of from the way he runs
Speaker 2: and stuff. It's not the wide receiver, but DeMarco Murray
Speaker 2: and I went back and looked at this, Say really,
Speaker 2: I went back and looked at his measurables, and DeMarco's
Speaker 2: is very similar. That he's a slightly shorter six foot
Speaker 2: instead of six to two, but two hundred twenty pounds
Speaker 2: and ran a four to four to three. And this
Speaker 2: guy Mingo's got thirty nine vertical eleven foot broad job.
Speaker 2: It's got explosion.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so there's some run after catchability. So that's what
Speaker 2: the Cowboys see in him. Cowboys, I think had him
Speaker 2: as a top fifty prospect last year, and other teams
Speaker 2: probably had him well, obviously had him as a fourth
Speaker 2: round you know, maybe, but he was taken with a
Speaker 2: thirty ninth pick in the draft. He's been in a
Speaker 2: horrible offensive offensive situation in Carolina with a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2: But this is about Okay, we see what he can
Speaker 2: provide this year, and the Cowboys have a real need
Speaker 2: right now, especially when you consider they almost lost CD
Speaker 2: for a while in the game the other day. They
Speaker 2: got lucky on that and Brandon Cook's coming back that
Speaker 2: when's he coming back exactly? We don't know when for
Speaker 2: sure he's eligible to come back this year. The window
Speaker 2: we soon will be he can come back this week,
Speaker 2: but we'll see where he is.
Speaker 3: And about it.
Speaker 1: What if, so say Brandon Cooks doesn't come back yet,
Speaker 1: CD probably no better than questionable this week.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Mike said he's gonna play. He said I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine he won't play. But what if he doesn't,
Speaker 1: You're going to trot out there with Jayleen Tolbert, Cavante Turpin,
Speaker 1: Jalen Brooks, and Ryan Flanoy.
Speaker 3: I thought they.
Speaker 1: Needed another receiver and maybe Jalen Cropper coming off the
Speaker 1: practice squad, Right, what if somebody gets hurt?
Speaker 2: I thought they needed They didn't replace Michael Gallup all year, right,
Speaker 2: he didn't replace him in free agency. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: hoping everybody steps up, whatever, but they did not replace
Speaker 2: who they lost in free agency. Michael Gallup And here's
Speaker 2: the other thing about Jonathan Mingo. And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him play. You know, we'll see all
Speaker 2: of this is off the table if he's a bus Okay,
Speaker 2: he's twenty three years old. He's only twenty three years old.
Speaker 2: He is he's two years younger than cd he Brandon. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he's eight years younger than him. He is two years
Speaker 2: younger than Jalen Tolbert. He is two years younger or
Speaker 2: one year younger than Jalen Brooks. He's two years younger
Speaker 2: than the sixth round rookie draft pick you had this year,
Speaker 2: Ryan Flinoy ILLINOI turned his twenty five, and Mingo's twenty three,
Speaker 2: and he's so and I'm guessing he's he had a
Speaker 2: circuitous route to no.
Speaker 1: But and I bet he's seriously younger than Turpin.
Speaker 2: And yes, Sir, Turpin's twenty eight, So I was five
Speaker 2: years younger than Turpin.
Speaker 1: Now know this, So at old miss right his senior
Speaker 1: year or last year whatever it was, fifty one catches,
Speaker 1: eight hundred and sixty one yards, five touchdowns, he averaged
Speaker 1: sixteen yards of catch, So there was something there. I
Speaker 1: think obviously, I think I read word. Dane Brugler had
Speaker 1: him as a late second third round pick and a
Speaker 1: eventual starter in the league. I think that was his
Speaker 1: analysis I saw. So, I don't know, you know, everybody's
Speaker 1: looking at what he did this year.
Speaker 2: At Carolina, and he's got twelve catches this year, right.
Speaker 1: And he's only played.
Speaker 2: And last year in fourteen starts as a rookie. Last
Speaker 2: year he had forty three catches. Still as you have
Speaker 2: to score touchdown.
Speaker 1: Four and eighteen yards. Yeah, but he was also having
Speaker 1: a raw rookie not ready to play.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm not blaming those those stats on him, right,
Speaker 4: not at all, right, because I would imagine the best
Speaker 4: receiver on their team didn't fare too well.
Speaker 2: But let's just clear this up as far as comparing
Speaker 2: this acquisition with the other wide receivers that have been
Speaker 2: traded this year, and these are Pro Bowl caliber wide
Speaker 2: receivers for the most part. The first three I'm gonna
Speaker 2: mention here, I mean Davonte Adam and these are top
Speaker 2: of the league type wide receivers. Davante Adams, Amari Cooper,
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins. Okay Adams was traded for a third round pick.
Speaker 2: Okay Adams has three years eighty million dollars left on
Speaker 2: his deal. He becomes a free agent in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see eighteen million this.
Speaker 2: Year, and we'll see how long he is a Jet.
Speaker 2: He's going to be a Jet as long as Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers is a Jet for sure. Amari Cooper at thirty
Speaker 2: years old. He's in the last year of his deal
Speaker 2: and Buffalo only is paying him eight hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: this year. Okay, he's a rental for this year, and
Speaker 2: they gave up a third round draft pick for a
Speaker 2: player they haven't they have for half a season. They
Speaker 2: also gave up a seventh rounder next year. In twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six, Hopkins goes to Kansas City for a fifth
Speaker 2: round pick. He is on the one year deal or
Speaker 2: Kansas City's paying four and a half million dollars. He
Speaker 2: becomes a free agent next year. That's the reason, okay.
Speaker 2: And then Deontay Johnson is the most recent one, who's
Speaker 2: twenty eight years old. Carolina dealt him to Baltimore. He's
Speaker 2: on the last year of his deal, which is no
Speaker 2: money whatever, and Deontae went for a fifth round draft pick. Okay,
Speaker 2: the reason. The Cowboys are paying a fourth round draft
Speaker 2: pick for Mingo is because he doesn't become a free
Speaker 2: agent until twenty twenty seven and had a very reasonable
Speaker 2: number as far as the salary cap is concerned. They
Speaker 2: got three years, three million dollars counting this year, in
Speaker 2: the next two seasons and now. And the Cowboys, by
Speaker 2: the way, Jalen Tolbert is in his contract year next
Speaker 2: year and he becomes a free agent in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: and Brandon Cooks likewise is a free agent next year.
Speaker 1: Turpin will be restricted.
Speaker 2: And so anyway, there is from a depth standpoint going
Speaker 2: forward and a young player's standpoint at wide receiver, they
Speaker 2: needed to add to that room with a guy that
Speaker 2: they their scouts had as a top fifty pick when
Speaker 2: he came out last year. It'd be different if he's
Speaker 2: going to be a free agent next year or that.
Speaker 2: But the reason that you have to pay a steeper
Speaker 2: price as far as a draft pick goes, is because
Speaker 2: his salary is not up there.
Speaker 1: Too, because those other teams when they were trading him,
Speaker 1: those veterans, they were also trading money off their catch right.
Speaker 2: That's that's the benefit for so they don't need a
Speaker 2: Las Vegas. Las Vegas did not need as much in
Speaker 2: return for DeVante Adams. They got a third round pick
Speaker 2: for him because they're taking his money off their books.
Speaker 1: So much instant analysis.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: So there we are, and we'll see what he can
Speaker 2: do this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what we'll do.
Speaker 2: We'll see what he can do Sunday against Philadelphia. Why not,
Speaker 2: they'll be here at practice tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I would imagine we'll see how fast he picks things up, right,
Speaker 1: you know. Look, you know when they when they signed
Speaker 1: Carl Lawson. Look how long it's taken him to flourish, right,
Speaker 1: But he didn't go to training camp, he didn't wasn't
Speaker 1: with a team, he wasn't playing.
Speaker 3: How many sees happen?
Speaker 1: Well, he got two Sundays Anna and a force fumble,
Speaker 1: but it took a while.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Here's what Washington just acquired, cornerback Marsha and Lattimore from
Speaker 2: New Orleans. Washington is sending third, fourth, and sixth round
Speaker 2: picks to New Orleans for Lattimore and a fifth, So basically,
Speaker 2: it's a third and a fourth for their cornerback.
Speaker 1: And his salary whatever.
Speaker 3: Big guys salary.
Speaker 1: Right, Because he's and he hasn't been playing all that well,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, I.
Speaker 4: Don't think anybody is on that team. That was amazing
Speaker 4: how they were doing what they called the Saints fans
Speaker 4: doing the called the second.
Speaker 3: Line dance.
Speaker 1: For two games.
Speaker 3: They do that at funerals.
Speaker 4: You know, you celebrate passing on our three games pointing,
Speaker 4: so you know they were celebrating. But I guess they
Speaker 4: didn't know they were celebrating their own death.
Speaker 2: And they had to go to right too, exactly. A
Speaker 2: Lotimore is on a ninety seven million dollar contract. He
Speaker 2: becomes a free agent in twenty seven to alli have
Speaker 2: ingim for a couple of more years. His cap number,
Speaker 2: his cap number this year with New Orleans was fourteen
Speaker 2: point six million, next year thirty one point four million,
Speaker 2: and the following year twenty eight point five million.
Speaker 1: There you go, So they got rid of all that,
Speaker 1: see and the other thing that this thing came up.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why it comes up, because this
Speaker 1: ain't baseball. Are your buyers or your sellers? The Cowboys
Speaker 1: have never been a seller that. It just doesn't happen
Speaker 1: that way, and it's not gonna happen because what are
Speaker 1: they gonna sell Who are you gonna trade away?
Speaker 3: Talked about that yesterday, right, what do you?
Speaker 1: Who do you? Who are you gonna trade away? And
Speaker 1: how you going to replace them if they're a good player?
Speaker 1: And what are you gonna get in return?
Speaker 2: Let me throw another one out there, because the Lions
Speaker 2: acquired Zadarias Smith from Cleveland edge rusher. Okay, and my
Speaker 2: memory serves me they gave up a fifth next year
Speaker 2: and a sixth and twenty six if it's given their
Speaker 2: a seventh rounder is coming with Zadarius so I okay,
Speaker 2: just think about this from a Cowboys perspective, and and
Speaker 2: the Cowboys obvious need at edge rusher okay, this year
Speaker 2: and Darius Smith his numbers, his cap number this year's
Speaker 2: five point two million, nine point four next million, and
Speaker 2: fifty million a year after okay.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: At age thirty two? And so would you give up
Speaker 2: a fifth and a sixth for the edge rusher?
Speaker 1: But not for that salary? Right if I'm planning, if
Speaker 1: I'm planning on paying Michaeh. Parsons, and that's that's what
Speaker 1: you what you know.
Speaker 3: Who else is coming up besides Mike for like.
Speaker 1: A big one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jake, Ferguson is still a year away.
Speaker 3: We always just talk about Michael Well, I mean, Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: This is his last year. I think it's his last year.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, here's one for you that we're not
Speaker 2: thinking about now. But they'll have a fifth year option
Speaker 2: on Tyler Smith. Tyler Smith still will have two years.
Speaker 1: Two years.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, he's in his contract year. Don't need to
Speaker 1: be guessing.
Speaker 2: Uh Osa Osa is in his contract year right now,
Speaker 2: OsO Digazoo. So Darn Bland will be up before you
Speaker 2: know it.
Speaker 1: I'll give you your guys that are going to be
Speaker 1: unrestricted free agents.
Speaker 2: Now, well, Darron Bland, that's you're talking twenty five. I'm
Speaker 2: talking Darn Bland. You've got another year. He becomes a
Speaker 2: free agent in twenty twenty six. But if you want
Speaker 2: to do something on him, you may want to.
Speaker 3: Write next year.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot of guys.
Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: Okay, this is great, all right. The Steelers have just
Speaker 2: now acquired wide receiver Mike Williams from the New York Jets.
Speaker 2: Okay years old, thirty years old? Okay, Jonathan Mingo with
Speaker 2: Carolina twelve catches this season. You said, Mike Williams with
Speaker 2: the Jets twelve catches.
Speaker 1: And he's got guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Okay, and Mike Williams Okay. It was the
Speaker 2: seventh pick in the draft.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, now thirty years old, and of course
Speaker 2: with the Chargers. He never was a Pro Bowl receiver,
Speaker 2: but had good years with the Chargers. In fact, average
Speaker 2: twenty yards of catch led league. Back in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: his best season, he had seventy six catches. Of course,
Speaker 2: with Keenan Allen over there, he had eleven hundred yards
Speaker 2: and nine touchdowns that year. Okay, that was in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one. Okay, but twelve catches this year, Steeler, Steeler.
Speaker 3: That's for six year olds.
Speaker 2: Okay. Steelers gave up a fifth round draft pick for
Speaker 2: Mike Williams. Okay, I bet you there are people out
Speaker 2: on Twitter right now saying.
Speaker 7: How come the Cowboys gave up a fourth round pick
Speaker 7: for Jonathan Mingo and the Steelers only gave up a
Speaker 7: fifth round pick for Mike Williams.
Speaker 2: The stats are exactly the same this year. Here's the
Speaker 2: difference age age. He's seven years younger, and he's under
Speaker 2: contract at a reasonable price until twenty twenty seven. Mingo
Speaker 2: is Mike Williams becomes a free agent next year, So
Speaker 2: the Steelers just gave up a fifth round draft pick
Speaker 2: for a rental player with the same exact stats. This
Speaker 2: year as Jonathan Mingo, who won't be they will not
Speaker 2: have next year on.
Speaker 4: Their I hope we don't become like the Jets to
Speaker 4: where this is where players go for their careers to die.
Speaker 2: And again, when I'm talking about the Mingo, I have
Speaker 2: no idea whether he's going to be a player here
Speaker 2: or not. But I'm just giving you here's the reason,
Speaker 2: and here's the reason. The compensation was a fourth round
Speaker 2: pick for Mingo as compared to some of these other
Speaker 2: guys that are getting traded. Anyway, all right, did you
Speaker 2: watch the Monday night game last night?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you weren't watching the right network. Probably you didn't
Speaker 2: watch the Manning cast. Okay, why not? There was great
Speaker 2: excitement on the Manning cast last night. Fan of the
Speaker 2: Manning cast was.
Speaker 1: Belichick on Belichick he is always on that the first half, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Was always always on. I watched, I don't watch it.
Speaker 1: Well, I was out on him on Belichick. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: his radio show that he has on Monday nights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or the games? Yeah with Jim Gray.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who was his guest?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, somebody running for president?
Speaker 2: All right, Belichick after that was on the Maning cast
Speaker 2: okay and on the Manning cast. I was alerted to
Speaker 2: this by someone, and uh, I feel like the audience
Speaker 2: needs to hear what Bill Belichick had to say about
Speaker 2: one of his former players, and that player would be
Speaker 2: Everson Walls. Producer Supreme. Do you have what Bill Belichick
Speaker 2: said last night?
Speaker 8: You know, one of the best ones I ever had
Speaker 8: was Everson Walls. And Everson Walls, you know, came out
Speaker 8: of Grambling, ran four to seven, played for the Cowboys,
Speaker 8: and when I got him at the Giants, he was
Speaker 8: the most unorthodox corner I've ever coached. Still, I've never
Speaker 8: seen anybody play like he does. And you know, had
Speaker 8: fifty seventh career of receptions. He had a great career.
Speaker 8: I thought he should be in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 8: and I told Everson were gone. I said, look, Everson,
Speaker 8: I'm never gonna tell anybody there's probably the way.
Speaker 7: You do it.
Speaker 9: I don't know how do you do it. I don't
Speaker 9: believe in it. I had great tew there's Kelsey pulling
Speaker 9: up on that set, flagger out again, right the whole
Speaker 9: the Hols. I'm never gonna tell anybody to do it
Speaker 9: the way you do it.
Speaker 8: But I'm gonna let you do it your way because
Speaker 8: you're still successful with it.
Speaker 9: So you know, I'll let Walls play it his way,
Speaker 9: and he did it his way. He was the most successful.
Speaker 9: Walls a great kid.
Speaker 8: You know, he donated his h his kidney to his
Speaker 8: teammate Ron Springs, so, you know, really un selfish player.
Speaker 8: But Walls's technique is unlike any corners I've ever.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 4: You go, well, he's talking through the commercial, that's what's right.
Speaker 3: They show them I'm still talking, so.
Speaker 2: That like the last twenty seconds of that they've got
Speaker 2: a billboard up coming up next or whatever.
Speaker 3: He's just still going it.
Speaker 1: So why did that come up?
Speaker 2: They were asking a question I did.
Speaker 3: Asked him about go ahead, Chris.
Speaker 10: They were talking about the throws from from the quarterback,
Speaker 10: you know, like throws sideways and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: He's talking about being unorthodox, you know, how you throw
Speaker 10: the ball.
Speaker 3: And he's like, well, he gets the job done.
Speaker 4: And he said, do you do you know what did
Speaker 4: you coach any players like that?
Speaker 3: I think it came yeah, an unorthodox check there.
Speaker 4: For some reason, he brought up LT because of course
Speaker 4: LT was I wouldn't say on orthodox, but he just
Speaker 4: did what he wanted to do. And then he brought
Speaker 4: up Brady, which I know he's not thinking unorthodox in
Speaker 4: that manner, but he brought it.
Speaker 3: He brought him up, but not to him.
Speaker 4: He actually put those names in there first when they
Speaker 4: talked about the players that you've coached, and then he's
Speaker 4: kind of stumbled a little bit, and then he said, oh, Man,
Speaker 4: Everson Walls, and then that's when we started talking about
Speaker 4: me and Dad.
Speaker 3: He put me in there with.
Speaker 2: Those and it was great, great timing to for the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. For the Hall of Fame pitch, and
Speaker 2: so I tweeted, sent it out and twet I tweeted
Speaker 2: it out and I tagged Gary Myers on it and
Speaker 2: he reposted it, and we're starting to get some Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame run here forever. Sin. I tagged Scherene Williams
Speaker 2: and these guys on it too, And so.
Speaker 4: I tried to put you in on it, but you know,
Speaker 4: you and your freaking android man. I kept trying, I
Speaker 4: kept said, and I asked, Chris, Chris, did you get
Speaker 4: my text?
Speaker 3: I was asking you if you could send it to spags?
Speaker 1: Well you.
Speaker 3: Well, I was. It was a video.
Speaker 2: Is a video we can text with we can text text.
Speaker 3: With it comes yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the other thing. Isn't that the most tag?
Speaker 3: Like all these people with green text?
Speaker 2: My son in law, My son in law had an Android,
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't let him marry my daughter until he
Speaker 2: got an iPhone because I didn't want my group text
Speaker 2: to begreed.
Speaker 1: So funny, So your yours comes in black and white?
Speaker 3: Way to go, Bill?
Speaker 2: He asked me to bury just good. I said, nope,
Speaker 2: can't do it until you get an iPhone?
Speaker 3: And what do I get an iPhone? Next day?
Speaker 2: Funny?
Speaker 1: Lasey didn't have to pass a baseball test.
Speaker 2: Right, what do you expect? He's from Coppell.
Speaker 1: Yours comes in black and white, US comes in green. Well,
Speaker 1: mine comes in mine accepts everybody not.
Speaker 3: On the video. You can send the video to us
Speaker 3: and we can get it. We can't send the video
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just got a text. It had a picture, and
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 3: It from somebody probably with an Android.
Speaker 2: No matter of fact.
Speaker 1: It was from Savannah.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, how's he doing?
Speaker 1: Good? Okay, he's back in time?
Speaker 3: Yes, very good, good good good okay?
Speaker 4: Anyway, Oh, speaking of on top of that, Ron Springs
Speaker 4: birthday was yesterday. Oh really, I forgot to bring that
Speaker 4: up yesterday because we were so upset about the game.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Ron Springs birthday was yesterday. My wife's birthday
Speaker 4: is today. Happy birthday to Charail. All right, he's having
Speaker 4: the good she's gonna have a good day today. She's
Speaker 4: gonna be stressed out about the the.
Speaker 3: The votes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you probably won't find out till tomorrow.
Speaker 3: If we can go out to eat, it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 3: It's still gonna go on eight December.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we won't know the results until your birthday.
Speaker 3: That's funny. That's good.
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Speaker 2: That was a lot. Okay, we continue with mixarchs here
Speaker 2: and some more news from the Cowboys. The Cowboys have
Speaker 2: released a player, cornerback Andrew Booth. Shocking could come back
Speaker 2: to the practice squad?
Speaker 3: Could? Could? How about that Booth?
Speaker 2: Booth, by the way, was a second round draft pick
Speaker 2: of the Vikings a couple of years ago. He went
Speaker 2: in the trade from Minnesota for Nashon Wright. How's Nashon
Speaker 2: Wright doing? By the way, he is not playing. I
Speaker 2: saw his name's not on the team.
Speaker 1: Oh they got rid of him.
Speaker 2: I don't believe. I don't believe he made the team.
Speaker 1: I thought I heard his name recent I'm confused.
Speaker 3: Now, who's not with.
Speaker 2: Thee He is with the Vikings. But but however, he
Speaker 2: has not appeared in a game this year. He was,
Speaker 2: He's on the practice squad.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so.
Speaker 2: The King Booth for the Vikings.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's even because Booth played one game
Speaker 1: a half and he got burned several times and hasn't
Speaker 1: played since.
Speaker 2: And that would have been that's in the regular season,
Speaker 2: that county in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he set the table in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Was he that bad? He's been active, He's been inactive.
Speaker 2: That shows our judge of talent because we both like
Speaker 2: Josh Butler, right, And by the way, Josh Butler elevated
Speaker 2: for the game on Sunday, played on special teams, and
Speaker 2: so he's got two more elevations left. So there's where
Speaker 2: you're set for depth at cornerback.
Speaker 1: So both played the first three games, and then he
Speaker 1: started that half against the Giants, and I thought he
Speaker 1: was in act of the next three games.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, what else you got in your legal pet?
Speaker 2: You heard from the coordinators yesterday? Let's get to go real.
Speaker 3: Quick, zim. Basically on the.
Speaker 1: McLeod no, the mooney wheel route touchdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hear this.
Speaker 1: Basically said we were in zero coverage, so everybody was
Speaker 1: in man, and he said we misaligned. It was basically
Speaker 1: what Everson told us. That they had everybody lined up
Speaker 1: on those three guys, or at least two of them
Speaker 1: were all on the same plane, right, and you don't
Speaker 1: want to be everybody even and so depth the depth.
Speaker 3: Yeah right.
Speaker 1: He also said that they missed fifteen tackles in the game.
Speaker 1: Fifteen He said some were diving at guys and some
Speaker 1: were not wrapping people up. He also pointed out when
Speaker 1: they talked about losing Dak and does that put more
Speaker 1: pressure on the defense, And he goes. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: he goes, I lost the starting quarterback before the week
Speaker 1: before the first game, we traded for Sam Bradford. He
Speaker 1: played the first game and he injured himself and was
Speaker 1: out for the season.
Speaker 2: That was a Teddy Bridgewater injury in preseason, preseason.
Speaker 1: And then he said, oh, no, Bradford was the third quarterback.
Speaker 1: I guess, and he was pointing out, no, he said
Speaker 1: he got hurt in the first game rest of the year.
Speaker 1: And he goes, so we were down to our third quarterback.
Speaker 1: It didn't write down who it was. And he goes,
Speaker 1: he took us to the NFC title game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, um, maybe maybe, but maybe earlier. I'll find out. Okay,
Speaker 2: continue on. So his point was, I'll correct you in
Speaker 2: a second after I look it up.
Speaker 1: I can't, he said, we can't worry about who's there
Speaker 1: and what's not there. You just gotta go play.
Speaker 3: Every other team does right, every other team does.
Speaker 1: Next, I was looking for my notes on Schottenheimer, Well,
Speaker 1: we can go uh to it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: John Fossil said that he was on the headsets on
Speaker 1: that fake punt and he said, Mike said punt and
Speaker 1: I said what about? And they had a code word
Speaker 1: for that quid play and he said he listened to me.
Speaker 1: So I'm taking full responsibility for it not working out.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't regret it.
Speaker 1: Either, and he said, I didn't regret it because it
Speaker 1: was the right call. They just didn't have it.
Speaker 2: Takes responsibility for the lack of execution on it, right,
Speaker 2: And the guy that was covering didn't do what he
Speaker 2: was supposed to do. He didn't cooperate.
Speaker 1: So you know what, it reminded me of, reminding me
Speaker 1: of Parcels talking about Paula Malo. He would and he
Speaker 1: was one of those guys that was unorthodox, by the way,
Speaker 1: and he said, you never know what he's going to.
Speaker 2: Do because he doesn't do what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 1: And he goes, how do you play quarterback against that?
Speaker 1: Something to that effect.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to compare this guy unless he's
Speaker 4: a Troy pol of special teams.
Speaker 3: Right, Uh, what did you expect for him to.
Speaker 1: Do to bail like your gunner.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure they saw that on film.
Speaker 1: But this was a rookie they called up from the
Speaker 1: practice squad, so I.
Speaker 3: Think he was sharp enough to know exactly.
Speaker 4: Somehow, somehow, somebody tip tip to try somebody try.
Speaker 3: So do they always bailed on the gunner?
Speaker 1: Usually yes, because they run down with them and try
Speaker 1: to block them as they're as.
Speaker 3: They're going, Why don't they do jam them?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 1: Well, is that I've seen the other guy bailed on
Speaker 1: the other side.
Speaker 2: So what so?
Speaker 3: So basically he wasn't they never try to impede their progress.
Speaker 1: Well, I think initially they do and then they run
Speaker 1: with them. Well yeah, okay, so they do, and he
Speaker 1: initially did. Yes, and they were hold They were hoping
Speaker 1: to get a holding call, not past interference because you
Speaker 1: can't interfere with that because he's not a receiver.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, wait's talk to me. They were expected
Speaker 4: to get a holding call.
Speaker 3: Well, no, he was.
Speaker 1: After he saw it. He said, he was hoping that
Speaker 1: you because you can get a holding call in you.
Speaker 2: Can't get a past interference, but you can get a
Speaker 2: holding Yeah.
Speaker 3: You can't just just just grab and as it turned
Speaker 3: that's a lot of hoping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, no, after it turned out that they weren't anticipating,
Speaker 1: I thought that was it was still just a bad Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: the gamble at that time, they were trying to change
Speaker 1: the momentum.
Speaker 3: I don't mind the gamble, right, it's the play.
Speaker 1: Well to me, But it's I was going to say
Speaker 1: they only needed two yards.
Speaker 2: Ford about if you're going to run a fake punt,
Speaker 2: a better fake punt, like like snap it to the
Speaker 2: up back.
Speaker 4: Something like that, because that's that's too chancey. It's really
Speaker 4: you're expecting this guy who's.
Speaker 3: Never consistent probably on how he does.
Speaker 4: Even if he is consistent on it, that's still a
Speaker 4: tough throw for a punter to make.
Speaker 1: No, he can make that throw on it before with him,
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen him and and.
Speaker 4: But also hoping he thought this guy cooperates on the
Speaker 4: other side, and that's the tough part.
Speaker 1: And he thought anger As he was getting ready to throw,
Speaker 1: he kind of saw and it was too late to like,
Speaker 1: but he didn't fire it.
Speaker 3: It didn't matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not going to work, and I'm it didn't
Speaker 1: matter right.
Speaker 3: It wasn't gonna work.
Speaker 4: It was poorly designed and the way whatever they came
Speaker 4: up with for the reasons for that design, it has
Speaker 4: so many.
Speaker 1: So many handed to Jan Thomas, your boy in there?
Speaker 3: What's the lip lip key? Is he in there?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I'm sure probably.
Speaker 1: He's probably on the line. Probably.
Speaker 3: I think he'd be in the bag. Your protector.
Speaker 1: I think Thomas was the protector.
Speaker 3: Okay, he does that. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: And he only needed two yards? Right?
Speaker 3: Too much for? Two yards?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Too much for because all you had to do is
Speaker 1: complete the pass and it would have been two yards.
Speaker 1: Ben't even need to run with it.
Speaker 3: The guy, the guys a football player out there as well.
Speaker 2: Do you prefer that player? Do you prefer the fake
Speaker 2: punt end around Cedric Wilson and throwing the ball? Do
Speaker 2: you remember that one that's from the twenty twenty season, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: but it was it was it and it was a
Speaker 2: deep pass down field right well, well as I recall,
Speaker 2: it went, no frump he was passing. He was the passer.
Speaker 3: I can't remember he was.
Speaker 2: It was a it was like an end around pass
Speaker 2: down field that went.
Speaker 3: But we just needed two yards. Not good, We just
Speaker 3: needed two yards.
Speaker 2: And that one I was I'm looking it up. It
Speaker 2: may have been like fourth and ten or something.
Speaker 3: If I'm going to it was fourth and ten.
Speaker 2: That one in twenty twenty was fourth and ten from
Speaker 2: the Cowboys twenty four yard wow. And so this is
Speaker 2: nothing compared to that one.
Speaker 1: And by the way, by the way, there there was
Speaker 1: a wide open receiver down the field and he didn't
Speaker 1: throw it. He tried to run it.
Speaker 2: Oh, is that what happened on it? I can't remember.
Speaker 1: It was right down, right down the slot and he
Speaker 1: kind of just c J.
Speaker 2: Goodwin was down the field on that one, and here's
Speaker 2: a quote. Cedric said he could couldn't really see him
Speaker 2: because they had that guy kind of slough off. The
Speaker 2: time clock is going in his head, and so he
Speaker 2: ran it and it would not work.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it was still just as bad, you know what.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing Jerry today and Schottenheimer kind
Speaker 1: of he didn't really say it, but they were talking
Speaker 1: about Trey Lance, like getting him ready now because he's
Speaker 1: got to be the backup quarterback. And Jerry said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we might have something for him, meaning maybe, well, Number one,
Speaker 1: they better because he's one play away from having to
Speaker 1: go in and play, and number maybe they designed something
Speaker 1: for him to run with the football.
Speaker 2: We saw Cooper run the other day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we probably want Trey Lance running with the ball, right,
Speaker 1: But they've got a lot of confidence in him. Shottenheider
Speaker 1: called him unflappable, and he you know when he's played
Speaker 1: that they've won. But the defense have played well in
Speaker 1: the games that he won. And now that's all you need, man,
Speaker 1: if you can, right, just give me some help. Can
Speaker 1: you just hold somebody?
Speaker 2: How about we get Michael back.
Speaker 1: Seventeen or well, yes, it would because if you saw
Speaker 1: what Lawson was doing, if that's Micah, he might have
Speaker 1: had four sacks in the so then.
Speaker 2: We might have broke Adrian Claiborne's records.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you've said this before.
Speaker 4: But when is his return?
Speaker 1: They they're hoping he can practice this week, which means
Speaker 1: he will play. In fact, he dron Bland. They're hoping
Speaker 1: he's going to start rehabbing and they're hoping that he
Speaker 1: can get into practice because Kaylen.
Speaker 3: That means that they're not going to practice play this week, kayl.
Speaker 1: And Carson looked like he had and played in five
Speaker 1: or six weeks. Early in the game, he was getting burned.
Speaker 1: He I think he was, and then he missed the
Speaker 1: tackle again.
Speaker 2: But Josh Butler there, he doesn't get nervous. He's got
Speaker 2: three million followers. Let's see how many how many?
Speaker 1: How many snaps did Josh Butler get on special teams?
Speaker 2: And then we can go.
Speaker 1: Twelve twelve special team defense? Because he ran in there
Speaker 1: and then CD called him off. So finally, I mean
Speaker 1: not CD, Trayvon called him off and went back in.
Speaker 2: So finally, and yeah, he called him off. And then
Speaker 2: that was the wheel route touchdown.
Speaker 1: When he didn't get lined up.
Speaker 3: I got you, I got you. I supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Finally, Cooper rushes five and one as a starting quarterback,
Speaker 2: what do the Cowboys need him to be? Let's say
Speaker 2: THATAK goes on I R and so he's out four games.
Speaker 2: What does the Cowboys record need to be over the
Speaker 2: next four games against Philadelphia, Houston, Washington and the Giants
Speaker 2: to start your December run to the postseason. What do
Speaker 2: they need to get It's.
Speaker 3: Gotta be three and one, That's what I was going
Speaker 3: to say. It's with I don't want to and two.
Speaker 3: We got to have three and one.
Speaker 1: And when you're talking a backup quarterback two and two,
Speaker 1: you would say.
Speaker 2: Three and one gets you Yeah, so three and one
Speaker 2: gets you to six and six at Thanksgiving and then
Speaker 2: you're and then you got five games left. So then
Speaker 2: you would need to win four out of your last
Speaker 2: five in order to get to ten wins and have
Speaker 2: a hope of getting in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Can we can we break it down to they need
Speaker 3: to be division wins.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing they need the Philadelphia Washington
Speaker 2: well and the Giants, but especially Philadelphia Washington need to.
Speaker 1: Be It would like three division wins, that's what you want.
Speaker 2: So if you're going to lose one, to lose to Houston, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I see. But if you went to and two,
Speaker 2: then you'd have to win out the last five games,
Speaker 2: just real quick, real quick.
Speaker 4: I mean, and these things that we're talking about they're
Speaker 4: not uh you know, they're not undoable.
Speaker 3: I mean, they can be done, okay about it.
Speaker 2: So if you went to and two, your last five
Speaker 2: games are Cincinnati at home at Carolina, Tampa Bay at
Speaker 2: home at Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: And Washington at Philadelphia and at Washington.
Speaker 2: Now Washington is at home.
Speaker 3: Once again. That Philly game will probably end up being
Speaker 3: so there you go.
Speaker 1: All right, hang on, wait one thing, Okay, hold on.
Speaker 2: The exit polls are uh Mackey's got some information on
Speaker 2: extra coles.
Speaker 1: So last year Green Bay started the season two and five,
Speaker 1: three and six before.
Speaker 2: They turned it, and the Rams were three and six
Speaker 2: and got to nine and eight. So so the Cowboys
Speaker 2: can afford to lose Sunday and still did there? Wow,
Speaker 2: And so say Parsons. Another week, I went on, I
Speaker 2: think if you, if you, in fact, just just make
Speaker 2: this a Trey Lance game, get him.
Speaker 1: Some experience and you get to nine and a can
Speaker 1: you get to nine and eight?
Speaker 4: Oh man, Hey, stranger things have happened, and you don't
Speaker 4: you don't call it strange. It's just played teams going
Speaker 4: on the run. Sometimes it's a match up, sometimes the
Speaker 4: back part of the scheduling. But it has happened every year.
Speaker 4: Some team has made it an improbable run that either
Speaker 4: got them in or just misgetting them in. So it's
Speaker 4: not like it's something that we haven't heard of before.
Speaker 1: One last thing.
Speaker 2: The Packers, one thing, One last thing.
Speaker 3: The Packers were.
Speaker 1: Six and eight and won their last three games. Last
Speaker 1: year finished nine and eight A playoffs, so the gold.
Speaker 2: To be six and eight, Yeah, all right, win three more,
Speaker 2: all right, and we will shout at you again tomorrow
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