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Speaker 4: and seventy six yards later, the Bengals have their first

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Speaker 1: Evan McPherson.

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Speaker 5: They will try to end it from forty eight yards away.

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Speaker 4: He got it indeed. Evan McPherson pipes it in overtime

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Speaker 4: for the Bengals, a game that Cincinnati desperately needed if

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Speaker 4: They get it done on the road, knocking off the

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Speaker 4: Jaguars thirty four to thirty one, a thriller in one

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Speaker 4: of the best primetime games of the year. Dan Hans

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Speaker 4: you this is why you can't judge a book by

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Speaker 4: the cover, Because we were all talking about what a

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Speaker 4: bummer this game was going to be. Jake Browning in

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, there were a rash of moving parts

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Speaker 4: I mean, in crunch time on the road, in a

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Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence's initial diagnosis as a sprained ankle with an

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Speaker 6: We'll find out more on that. I really agree with

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor is making me eat some humble pie tonight.

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Speaker 3: This is, you know, one of the most impressive nights

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Speaker 3: The AFC, much needed. By the way, I just got

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Speaker 3: But you're right, there was that sequence where Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think in another world because even

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Speaker 2: I don't have any information yet on Trevor. We're still

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Speaker 4: Listen, Carson uh, Doug Peterson's been through the wars. Once

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Speaker 4: We're getting to the point where, yeah, I think we're

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Speaker 4: Out of the Way, Week thirteen, out of the way.

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Speaker 4: It's finally done. He has made his decision and it

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: So it's like, I why not try? Why not try?

436
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 6: It's hard to get a good player at this time

437
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 6: of year.

438
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 1: Right, They've done it.

439
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 3: And the thing that's really interesting, and I'll leave it

440
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 3: at that, is that there were no financial repercussions here.

441
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 3: It's a very rare chance where a player is actually

442
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 3: just choosing which team do I want to go to

443
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, like to win, which team gives me

444
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 3: a better chance to win, to play whatever. Because the

445
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 3: Colts are playing his contract either way, it's all guaranteed.

446
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 3: It's they're the ones paying. It's pretty interesting he's choosing

447
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 3: between the Eagles and the Cowboys. I figured he choose

448
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 3: the Cowboys just because that seems like a more fun

449
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 3: place to go live or whatever. And he picks the

450
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: Eagles and they play the Cowboys this week.

451
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 4: That's kind of juicy spicy. I'm trying to find the article.

452
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 4: But the whole Big Dom story really took a almost

453
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 4: erotic turn when a former I believe offensive lineman for

454
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 4: the Eagles, a member of the Super Bowl team and

455
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 4: I apologize for not having his name off the top

456
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 4: of my head, was quoted as saying that he would

457
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 4: give his life for Big Dom. It's like, all right,

458
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 4: what's going on there?

459
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 3: It's a blood oath. Once you're in with Big Dom,

460
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 3: like you're in for life. You're either in where you're out.

461
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 4: Or you're really in. All right, let's talk about the

462
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 4: biggest joke in the NFL, my favorite team, the New

463
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 4: York Jets. This report from The Athletic was one of

464
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 4: the big stories in the NFL on Monday. It came

465
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 4: from Zach Rosenblatt and Diana Rossini, and then Jeff Howe

466
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 4: chipping in as well with The Athletic that the Jets

467
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 4: are prepared to make another switch at quarterback. After you know,

468
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 4: Rogers blows his achilles, Zach Wilson takes back over the starter.

469
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 4: He's bad, They bench him, they bring in Tim Boyle,

470
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 4: he sucks, They bench him. They bring in Trevor Simmey

471
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 4: and he sucks. And now the idea is what about

472
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 4: going back to Wilson. And then the report that Wilson

473
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 4: was reluctant to take back the job, and the team

474
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 4: wants to turn back to Wilson, but he is hesitant

475
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: to step back into the role, multiple team sources said Monday.

476
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 4: Here's another graph from that report. Aaron Rodgers had reached

477
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 4: out to Wilson in an effort to advise him to

478
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 4: resume the starter role, but at the time Wilson remained

479
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 4: apprehensive due to perceived injury risk, per team sources. Okay,

480
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 4: and then Robert Sala, And there is not a more

481
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 4: emasculated coach in the NFL and recent memory than Sala.

482
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 4: Every week he is answering questions and being asked to

483
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 4: explain things that he has no control over. And now

484
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 4: it's come to the point where even the bust quarterback,

485
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 4: he doesn't even control him, and the ability to make

486
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 4: him play quarterback for his team, or so it seems

487
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 4: that's not the way Salah is painting it in his

488
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 4: press conference.

489
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Speaker 5: Well, let's be clear, if he was reluctant to play, guys,

490
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 5: he wouldn't be here, all right. And I actually coincidentally

491
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 5: just got done speaking with him. He came in about

492
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 5: a half hour ago and we had a really good conversation.

493
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 5: The young man wants the ball, he wants to start.

494
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 5: He believes he's the best quarterback in the room and

495
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 5: best quarterback for this team, and the best and the

496
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 5: guy who gives us the best fans to win. And

497
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 5: I'll tell you, guys, the same thing I told him.

498
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 5: I appreciated, I appreciate the fact that he wants to play.

499
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 5: I'm just not there yet.

500
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 4: It's just not there yet. And it's just that is

501
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 4: even absurd, like so he's trying to couch that as

502
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 4: how you even made a decision yet. But if I

503
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 4: do make a decision, Zach has now told me he

504
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 4: wants to play. Boys, what this sounds like to me?

505
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 4: And tell me if if you think it's something else

506
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 4: is the Jets, who have been completely misguided about their

507
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 4: quarterback room since Rogers went down, They finally get sick

508
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 4: of wilson struggles. They bench him for the second or

509
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 4: third time since he was the number two overall pick,

510
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 4: and they say to him a couple of weeks ago, Hey, really, sorry,

511
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: this is not gonna work out. We're gonna go in

512
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 4: a different direction. Not only we're gonna demote you, we're

513
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 4: gonna essentially deactivate you. And then after the season's over,

514
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 4: we'll find a way to kind of part ways, and

515
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 4: best of luck to you. And because the Jets are

516
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 4: such a poorly run organization, they miss they underestimate how

517
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: bad these other quarterbacks in their building are, and so

518
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 4: when those guys are making them completely non competitive, they

519
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: go back to Zach and say, Zach, we need you again.

520
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 4: And Zach Wilson saying bruh, like you are not bringing

521
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: me back next year. I am sick of being your

522
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 4: whipping boy. I'm not safe playing in front of that

523
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 4: offensive line, and I'm trying to restart my career next year.

524
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 4: And I know you don't like me, so why should

525
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: I play from you for you? I've thought about this

526
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: a lot. Boys. I think Zach Wilson is an anti hero.

527
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 4: I think Zach Wilson is telling the Jets. You are incompetent,

528
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 4: so you could take this quote unquote job and shove it.

529
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 4: And as much as and I know my dad is

530
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 4: totally on the other side of this and thinks it's

531
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: ace that he would ever do that, but I have

532
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 4: to say I understand where Wilson is coming from. If

533
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: indeed that is what the backstory.

534
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: Is here, I think that's a great positing of the situation.

535
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if he had any promises that, like

536
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: you're done for the season or anything like that. That

537
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense to me. I'm somewhere in the middle

538
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 3: that I understand that viewpoint of him kind of sticking

539
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: it to them, And I just think it's career suicide

540
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: to really not want to play. You're not playing for

541
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 3: the organization. You're playing for your teammates. That's what they

542
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: always say. And ultimately, in a situation like this, you're

543
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: playing for your career, like to put something on tape,

544
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: to try to continue to get it going, to get

545
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: a positive grade, to show something, and you're playing for

546
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: your teammates.

547
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: You feel like you owe it to them. And when I.

548
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: Saw these are I just thought, I never I never

549
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: heard of something like this. This is some ridiculousness. And

550
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: I was just thinking, and we can get into it.

551
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 3: I want you to go, Mark, But like I just

552
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: was like, what is the motivation of this even getting out?

553
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: There is someone trying to paint him poorly?

554
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 4: You know.

555
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 3: Diana reported that it was coming from many parts of

556
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 3: the organization that they had heard this, like players, coaches,

557
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: staff had all heard this. And then after she reports it,

558
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: Jeff Howe has this report which just took my breath away. Quote,

559
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: if Zach Wilson were asked directly by the Jets to start,

560
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: he would agree to that. A source familiar familiar with

561
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: Wilson's thinking, what are we doing here? I don't I

562
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: honestly don't even have a take. My take is what

563
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 3: is what is happening? That is the wildest thing I've

564
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 3: ever heard as a report. I don't even know what

565
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: that is.

566
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: It's insane.

567
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 6: I've been reduced to the same place where like when

568
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 6: we say they want him to start, or they told

569
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 6: him X, Y or Z, it's hard, it's and this

570
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 6: is not you know that this is true of the

571
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 6: Jets too many seasons, and it's true of bad teams,

572
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 6: Like who is even they at this point, because the

573
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 6: coach seems to be almost outside the bubble of decision

574
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 6: making and explaining things that he doesn't have full accountability

575
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 6: for on some level, and that creates a sense of confusion.

576
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 6: If you are Zach Wilson, it's been an absolute disastrous

577
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 6: experience to go out on the field because I think

578
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 6: part of it is like he doesn't really have the

579
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 6: support of his teammates. I mean, there's evidence that a

580
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 6: lot of his offensive teammates feel like, if you're Garrett Wilson,

581
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 6: like my career is falling apart because of this quarterback

582
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 6: situation in New York. The team's falling apart, the defense

583
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 6: is on fire about the whole thing, and so it's

584
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 6: like not an enjoyable thing to be playing well. I

585
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 6: would say one thing his resume, like on tape is

586
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 6: a mess. But I think because you're a you have

587
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 6: a first round pedigree, another team would say we can

588
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 6: fix what the Jets couldn't fix, because that's that that

589
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 6: makes some sense. But if you're saying, basically, my desire

590
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 6: to go out and be a teammate and play potentially

591
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 6: doesn't exist, then it's like, cool, we don't need your

592
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 6: your ability isn't there. It's not like you're a special

593
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 6: talent enough, Jeff George, and you're difficult, You're just Zach Wilson.

594
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 6: You're not good and you don't really want to play.

595
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 6: It's like you are sabotaging. And it seems almost immature

596
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 6: if that's really what he's saying. That said, I'm not

597
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 6: sure i'd even believe any of that. I don't even

598
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 6: know where it's coming from or why and why anyone

599
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 6: was trying to bury him.

600
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: The first report is too and it was not really

601
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: dismissed by Salah exactly. I mean, he spoke to him,

602
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: but he didn't exactly dismiss the init report. It's it's

603
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: too widely spread and too many different things happening for

604
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: me to doubt that that that part is actually I

605
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: bet that is true, that people that he was just

606
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: saying that that people are saying that, but like for

607
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: them not to understand that that getting out was totally

608
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: burying him, or unless it was someone that was intentionally

609
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: trying to bury him. But it doesn't make sense for

610
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: anyone to try to intensely bury him because it just it's.

611
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: Just all bad. It made me think Dan and maybe

612
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: this was overreacting.

613
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: This was the first time I thought, oh, Salah's got

614
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: to go because this is just embarrassing. And you can

615
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: say this is not so his fault for whatever reason,

616
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: but it's just like it's all embarrassing. And I've I've

617
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: asked around a little bit, and I think there's pushback.

618
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: I think the consent, conventional wisdom is that Sallas stays,

619
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: But I have my doubts, especially if it keeps going.

620
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 4: Like this, And if he stays, it's because it's a

621
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 4: dysfunctional organization that doesn't see that this is too far gone,

622
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 4: that he is not the right leader for this team,

623
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 4: that Aaron Rodgers is the one now running the ship.

624
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: I mean, it is. It is. Everything's played out in

625
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: in only the Jets fashion. In the worst case scenario.

626
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: It's embarrassing. As a Jets fan. I feel like I

627
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 4: really am kind of on the ropes right now where

628
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: I know I can't I can't disconnect from the Jets

629
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: and not be a Jets fan. But I'm getting to

630
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 4: the point where like apathy is going to start creeping in.

631
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 4: I feel like because I'm just so disgusted talking about

632
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 4: them year after year after year, as being a joke,

633
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: the joke of the league. And that's why the why

634
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 4: the comment I said about Wilson being kind of an

635
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 4: anti hero. There's something cathartic about Wilson, whether this was

636
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 4: his intent or not. Finally, someone is really holding the

637
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 4: team accountable and saying, you're a joke, like ownership, general manager,

638
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: head coach, Offensive Courd, You guys are a joke. If

639
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 4: you think that I'm gonna now come try to bail

640
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 4: you out after you humiliated me and put me on

641
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: the bench and deactivated me and told me that it

642
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: was worse than Tim Boyle who threw one touchdown in

643
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 4: thirteen interceptions. For U Kon and Trevor Simeon, these are

644
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 4: guys that shouldn't even be in the league. You're a joke,

645
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: and everyone's laughing at the Jets, and I'm saying it

646
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: now every show they come up. It's what the joker

647
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 4: said to de Niro, you get what you deserve. And

648
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: that's what's happened to the Jets. They botched this from

649
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: week one on and now they're suffering the consequences, and

650
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: no one feels bad for him because they never saw

651
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: it coming, because they were so filled with confidence and

652
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 4: smelling their own you know what that they never realized

653
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 4: they were this vulnerable, even though everyone else could see it.

654
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: So how can I, as a Jets fan want that

655
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: head coach back, or that general manager back, or hell,

656
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: even the quarterback who's done nothing nothing, Aaron Rodgers has

657
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: done nothing for my team other than end up indirectly,

658
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 4: you could say, cause more embarrassment and more pain and

659
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: more misery. I'm just sick of it.

660
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm sick of it.

661
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Speaker 4: It's one day they're gonna do it. They're gonna push

662
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: me too far. It's getting close again.

663
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: You know, you could have happy You don't have to

664
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: have an unconscious or what is it conscious uncoupling, but

665
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: you could like take a break, you know, just be like,

666
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: I'll see you in six weeks, just like you know,

667
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: you disconnect as much as you can come back.

668
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Speaker 4: What do I do for a living? Greg?

669
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 6: No, Well, that's getting away from them, all right.

670
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: Let's just move on before my head explodes. The Steelers

671
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 4: will be without Kenny Pickett for a while, but hopefully

672
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 4: they'll get him back. He had ankle surgery the Steelers

673
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 4: quarterback on Monday. He was on the injury report by

674
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: the way because of an ankle in Juli last week,

675
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: so he aggravated it against Arizona. There's no long term

676
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 4: timetable for how long he's going to be out. According

677
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: to Mike Tomlin, they ruled him out obviously Thursday's game

678
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: against the Patriots, and get ready, everybody, Mark, you and

679
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: I are going to have a fun with that one.

680
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: Mitch Trubisky will start on Thursday. It's a high ankle spring.

681
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Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like with the point where there's

682
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 6: there are maybe some larger concerns about pickets durability because

683
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 6: it's been a you know, a sort of an array

684
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 6: of up and down hell issues, concussions on this. That

685
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Speaker 6: and Trubisky I don't really see as vastly different than

686
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 6: Kenny Pickett. Greg, I think you're higher on Trubisky than

687
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Speaker 6: I am. I I it's another AFC playoffs.

688
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: Talking about this for twenty years. Well, he's just like

689
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: he's been in the league for over one hundred years.

690
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: I've always been buried down.

691
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: But I kind of liked him for a few moments

692
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh last year.

693
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Speaker 1: I've liked him in Pittsburgh this year.

694
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 6: The few times I just think their floor is is

695
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 6: I like so that you know that offensive explosion where

696
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 6: they scored sixteen points and put up four hundred plus

697
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 6: yards like you know, quintessential mirage. I mean, I just

698
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 6: think this team is a I said they're gonna win

699
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 6: twelve games, but they're lucky to have as many wins

700
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 6: as they do right now. And we'll see what happens

701
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 6: with Pickett Thursday night, Dan, I mean I need I

702
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 6: might need you to like drop a bomb on my apartment.

703
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not sure I can do it. I'm

704
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 6: gonna try out there.

705
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: Vegas has the over under at I believe thirty and

706
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: a half now, which is the lowest over and under

707
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 4: in the NFL in years.

708
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's since two thousand and five, and

709
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: it's going down. I saw that ninety five percent. I

710
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 3: think it was our researcher Kate mag Zurich. I believe

711
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: said ninety five percent of that money is going on

712
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,959
Speaker 3: the under. So it might keep sinking and sinking until

713
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 3: it goes through the floor.

714
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 4: We should you know what we're gonna do. Listeners, I

715
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 4: know you're gonna think to yourself of their one episode

716
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: to skip of around the NFL, it's going to be

717
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 4: the Thursday night football episode. Mark and I are gonna

718
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: cook up a secondary segment so explosive that will be

719
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 4: the one everyone's talking about. People will be talking about

720
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 4: our seg more than they'll be talking about that game. Wait.

721
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Speaker 6: And I appreciate that because I think you're doing you know,

722
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 6: you're doing us a service as well, because I you know,

723
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 6: I just sat through six nothing Patriots Chargers, you know,

724
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 6: a day ago, so it's like, how many you know,

725
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 6: swings with the baseball.

726
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 4: Shootout on Thursday.

727
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 3: I've seen some reporting that it was the the tightrope procedure.

728
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: By the way, I think Trubisky adds the floor.

729
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 3: I might, I might go over here, you know, just

730
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: Trubisky is gonna throw some pick six. He is the

731
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: Jamis Winston to Kenny Pickett's Derek Carr, where it's probably

732
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: in the end not going to be any more effective,

733
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: but it'll just be more chaotic and more points. I

734
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: saw it reported somewhere that it's the tightrope procedure on

735
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett. They did not put him on IR and

736
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 3: that's a high ankle sprain, and that's you know, maybe

737
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: two to three weeks you're out which is just interesting

738
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: to think about in context of Trevor Lawrence. We don't

739
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: know what's gonna happen, but Cameron Wolf just a little update.

740
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: As we're going, our reporter NFL Network is in the

741
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: locker room there instead he was talking to teammates. Trevor

742
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: Lawrence was and they seemed like a little happy after

743
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just reading the tea leaves here. He

744
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: was on crutches and ended up walking out with a

745
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: walking boot, putting a little bit of pressure on it,

746
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 3: but not much really as he left. But they said

747
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: that the teammates weren't in terrible spirits. And then he

748
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: was taken out of the locker room on a cart,

749
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: so they do have a cart day. We finally in

750
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: Jacksonville they found the cart. I mean, so faithful.

751
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 4: What are we doing the they it's one thing where

752
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: you're limping off the field and disappearing. When when they

753
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 4: cut ESPN cuts to inside the bowels of that stadium

754
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 4: and he's moving about six inches every thirty seconds, It's like, guys,

755
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: shod do we have something to take the franchise somewhere?

756
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 6: And also like so he's six six, he's obviously like

757
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 6: a massively framed quarterback. Like even the guys you know

758
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 6: under each one of his shoulders were big dudes too,

759
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 6: but it's like they were not big enough to actually

760
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 6: do the job, and they're just like tugging his body

761
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 6: down this hallway. It's like technology. How many golf carts

762
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 6: are in Jacksonville, Like.

763
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Speaker 4: A two thousand pound golf cart with eight wheels and

764
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: a flat back that would be perfect for a six

765
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 4: five two point thirty built out of stone quarterback dealing

766
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 4: with a nasty lower leg injury.

767
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Speaker 3: You know what we kind of lost in the shuffle

768
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: there and ESPN did too, is that Walker Little, who

769
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Speaker 3: you really feel for. He stepped on Lawrence and this

770
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 3: is why I've seen some people being like quarterbacks got

771
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: to learn how to protect themselves. It's like his left

772
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 3: ackle stepped on him during the dropback.

773
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Speaker 1: What do you want?

774
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just a fluky It's gonna happen,

775
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: and then he fell over it. Weirdly, Walker Little hurt

776
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: himself on that play. Walker Little is their starting left

777
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: tackle because they just lost their starting left tackle, Cam

778
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: Robinson for the season, so that was like a completely

779
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: catastrophic play on a night they also lost Kirk and

780
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: Trey Herndon and Foley Fatukasi. So it was just like

781
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 3: a crazy, terrible night for the Jaggars.

782
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: All right.

783
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 4: In other news, you know what's going on in New

784
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: Orleans right now, everyone's an expert. Everybody knows how to

785
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: fix the Saints and what's wrong with the Saints and everything.

786
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: Everybody thinks it's amazing that there's all this talk going

787
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 4: on and all this mocking of people, And isn't it

788
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 4: cool that Michael Thomas is sending tweets during the game.

789
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 4: I can't. I don't know why I'm being so nasty

790
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 4: nut right now.

791
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: Let be mad like you're mad. They're just mad.

792
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: No, but it's Michael Thomas. It's not the fans. I

793
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 4: understand their frustration. Michael Thomas is the one who's tweeting.

794
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 4: You know, who was once a tremendous player and now

795
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: it's kind of just a guy and he's once again injured.

796
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: He's sending cryptic tweets during the game, y'all said, I

797
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: was throwing shade, not at all my not at all,

798
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 4: my eyes, just work check yours, okay, all that kind

799
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 4: of stuff, and obviously taking shots at car after turnover

800
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: and the team in general and the coaching staff. Dennis

801
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 4: Allen was forced to address this on the same day

802
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: he explained that Derek Carr was gonna be missing some time.

803
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll keep that, we'll keep that in house. But

804
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 6: you know, I guess I was made aware of that

805
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 6: last night, so he.

806
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 4: Deleted Derek took down his Twitter account.

807
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: Was there, Can someone tell him that he had to

808
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: take the tweets down.

809
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: Or why I wear that.

810
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 4: Derek Carr is in the concussion protocol once again, but

811
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Speaker 4: he's got all sorts of other injuries coming out of

812
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 4: that game. So it feels like we're gonna get a

813
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 4: Jameis Winston Taysom Hill jam this week.

814
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thomas liked a hosts that and this was last

815
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: week actually, people were noticing that, like the post that

816
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: joke that Carr gave Thomas a hospital pass to openly

817
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: critique him and stir up drama. And he had been

818
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: like liking some anti Carsh tweets.

819
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Speaker 4: This is what I'm talking about.

820
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: And then he was watching the game and he was saying,

821
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just using my eyes. He was just noticing,

822
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 3: like on the interception, for instance, that there were wide

823
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: open receivers on the other side of the field. So

824
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 3: he's like openly being.

825
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: And I don't think he's gone.

826
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Speaker 1: Probably he'll be gone, and I think they might both be, but.

827
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Speaker 4: There's nothing like I don't know, maybe there are people

828
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 4: that disagree. I don't think there's anything cool or edgy

829
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: or whatever about this. It's just like, I think you're

830
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: being a bad teammate and you're using social media to

831
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: kind of cause more issues. I think he's kind of

832
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 4: a joke personally, thirty years old, grow up.

833
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 6: He's been a distraction, he's been absent, he's not been

834
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 6: the player he was, and it's like, how many examples

835
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 6: of total chaos do we need inside the Saints organization.

836
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 6: We talk about, like, you know, Michael Thomas being away

837
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 6: from the team. I think your average Saints fan wants

838
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 6: Dennis Allen away from the team. And I kind of

839
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 6: feel like, no matter what happens to them on this

840
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 6: journey this season, which has been unpleasant to the eyes,

841
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 6: like it's going to be a massive off season of change,

842
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 6: and if it's not, what are they doing?

843
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 4: I've landed on it. Greg. I think now I understand

844
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 4: why I started this conversation the way I did. I've

845
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 4: and I've talked about it a lot with Derek Carr

846
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 4: that he has been bad this year and he's not

847
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 4: worth the money and it was a bad signing and

848
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: he's been a problem. But I've seen a lot of

849
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 4: you know, in the what you've talked about it, a

850
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 4: lot like Saints fans are very angry and frustrated and

851
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: these Michael Thomas story has been popping up the last

852
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: couple of weeks, and it's almost like he's being celebrated

853
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: on some level for calling out this this situation, and

854
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: it's like that's part of the problem too, like that

855
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 4: I feel like the Saints have just a lot of

856
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 4: issues internally, and so maybe that is not something to celebrate.

857
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: But I understand, I truly understand where Saints fans are

858
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 4: coming from that this has been a very rough season, uh,

859
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 4: and they have not lived up to expectation.

860
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: Right, Michael Thomas is kind of speaking for them. The

861
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: most interesting one that he liked last week, I'm trying

862
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: to find it was about it was from like a

863
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: motiv motivational speaker that was like week leaders avoid difficult

864
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: conversations and the longer you delay, the heart of the

865
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 3: conversation gets blah blah blah blah, and people thought people

866
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: basically took that, And I think that's been a criticism

867
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: of Dennis Allen that he doesn't know how to manage people.

868
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of stories going like that. He

869
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: just he's almost afraid to confront his own players, and

870
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 3: I don't I think he's lost that locker room. So

871
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 3: for separating the quarterback from this, it just it feels

872
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: like a team that is just a drift right now.

873
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 6: But Greg, it started with like Chauncey Gardner, John, I

874
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 6: think it's had Sean Payton been there, you wouldn't have

875
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 6: lost that player.

876
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that was that was the very beginning of it.

877
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

878
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 6: I would say one thing to Michael Thomas, like, I

879
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 6: don't know if you're if you're going diving into difficult

880
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 6: conversations when you're liking other people's posts and tweeting stub

881
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 6: tweeting your own quarterback, that's not having a one on

882
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 6: one conversation.

883
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 4: Injury news, Dereck Henry is not in the concussion protocol

884
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: and is on track to play. In Week fourteen's matchup

885
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 4: against the Dolphins, he had two touchdowns and over one

886
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 4: hundred yards in yesterday's brutal loss to the Cults before we.

887
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: Had her next Monday night. Guys, we got little Titans Dolphins.

888
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: This is one of them.

889
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: Nice. By the way, the Titans fired their special teams

890
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 4: coach after miscues, including that block punt that swung that game.

891
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Simmons of the Titans will miss a couple of

892
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: weeks with a knee injury as well, according to Mike Vrabel.

893
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: So that is a big loss for the Titans and

894
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: anything to add there, boys.

895
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: No other than that block punt unfortunately ended Ryan Stonehouse's season.

896
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: Ryan Stonehouse, their punter, I would have guessed was a shoeing.

897
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: Maybe for All Pro first team may still make it,

898
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: but punters, you know, the kickers get a lot of

899
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: love on this show. Stonehouse's was out a run that

900
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: rivals any punter that any punters had probably in the

901
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: last handful of years.

902
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: So that is a that is a shame.

903
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 4: What a devastating play. I know, you lose one of

904
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 4: your top players, your punter. You you lose you know,

905
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: seven points on the board, and you know swings a

906
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: game that you absolutely needed and then you get it.

907
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 4: Gets people fired as well. There are very few plays

908
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 4: this season that have been that devastating for one team. Yes,

909
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 4: it's almost impressive, but really tragic in a way. Uh.

910
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 4: Circling back to what we were honking about last night,

911
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: with less than a minute to go in Sunday Night Football,

912
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes fired a deep ball to Marcus Valdegs Valdez scantling.

913
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 4: He was absolutely tackled almost by Carrington Valentine. They do

914
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: not throw the flag. Instead of first and goal from

915
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 4: about the five yard, the Chiefs are left to scramble

916
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 4: and they never do get close. After that final score

917
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 4: twenty seven to nineteen. You heard the rules guy, who's

918
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 4: the rules guy for NBC again, McAuley McAuley. He was

919
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 4: very frank and said this is not good. There should

920
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 4: have been a penalty. Guess what. That night they trot

921
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 4: out Brad Allen, the referee, and he explains after the

922
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 4: game that you know what, it wasn't We didn't get

923
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: this one wrong. Here's the quote. As you may know,

924
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: on every play, whether there may or may not be

925
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 4: past interference, either offensive or defensive, the covering official has

926
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: to rule whether contact materially restricts the receiver and in

927
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 4: this case, the covering officials were in good position and

928
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: ruled that there was no material restriction that rose to

929
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 4: the level of defensive pass interference. The ball appeared to

930
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: be catchable for MVS. Alan did not dispute that I

931
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 4: am not aware that catchability was involved. The covering officials

932
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 4: simply did not feel that there was the level of

933
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: contact that rose to a material restriction for defensive pass interference.

934
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what to say to that.

935
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: That's brutal, like it does either way. It does nothing

936
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 4: for the chiefs mark, but it's like, at least say

937
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 4: you got the call along, so we could all just

938
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 4: move forward as a society.

939
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, that would be more pleasant. I guess my thing

940
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 6: is you can go read these NFL rule books. When

941
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 6: you go read some of these paragraphs, it's like, I'm sorry,

942
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 6: what's happening. But like our eyes, the broadcaster's eyes, our eyes,

943
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 6: Terry McAuley's, everyone is looking at this play and saying

944
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 6: this doesn't check out. So whatever the written rule is, like,

945
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 6: maybe we need to examine that. I guess you can

946
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 6: say whatever you want, but there's never accountability for these

947
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 6: officiating crews when they blow something.

948
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: He sounded like a politician if you listen closely, you

949
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: read it closely. They never did. They never said that

950
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: the call was right. All he did was just explain

951
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: in great detail that the guy was in position, here's

952
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 3: the rule, and he thought he was making the right call.

953
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: Like he actually like it was one of those politician

954
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: like non denial denials where it just said a lot

955
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: of words and he's like, well, this is what he ruled.

956
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: He looked at it, he was in good position, and

957
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 3: this is what it ruled because this is what he thought.

958
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: But he missed the point of like, yes, that's all true.

959
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: We know he thought he was right, but he was wrong.

960
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: That's what we want to hear.

961
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 4: Weird, annoying sucks all right. Finally in the news, this

962
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 4: is funny, and Greg, you're way more plugged into this

963
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 4: world than Mark or I, so you can perhaps tell

964
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 4: us why if these things can change so quickly, But

965
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: I guess it makes sense. So we've been talking about

966
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 4: the last few weeks brock Purdy, who's having really an

967
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 4: excellent season for the Niners, who I think we're all

968
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 4: in agreement are the best team in football, And why

969
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 4: is he being overlooked in the MVP race when you

970
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: look at the odds at the sports books, and you know,

971
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: he was kind of in the distant background a couple

972
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 4: of weeks ago when we first started talking about this. Well,

973
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 4: after Party threw four touchdowns and the Niners blew out

974
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 4: the Eagles, that quick quickly changed to the point now

975
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 4: that Party is the odds on favorite to win Super

976
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 4: Bowl MVP. In the latest odds, the Niners are also

977
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 4: the favorite to win the Super Bowl. Party through for three,

978
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 4: fourteen and four. They're the odds right there if you're

979
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 4: watching it on YouTube. Parties a plus three hundred Dak

980
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 4: right behind him at plus three fifty. I think that

981
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 4: checks out, and then it's a little bit of a

982
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 4: drop off after that. Plus nine hundred for Lamar, plus

983
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 4: sixteen hundred for Tyreek Hill. There you go plus three

984
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 4: Boy and Josh Allen plus thirty five one hundred.

985
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: Hurts at plus three fifty two at plus seven.

986
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 4: Oh sorry I was reading it wrong.

987
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's confusing how it was set up, just with

988
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: the two things add These things change fast, though, because

989
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: they're just a reflection of what Vegas thinks, people like

990
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 3: us think, which is very nebulous as you would like

991
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: to say, especially with like eight weeks left in the season,

992
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: and you know they're just trying to like, what is

993
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: the average Joe thinking, essentially, and the average Joe wasn't

994
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: thinking party until now. It's still you know the field.

995
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 3: You know, plus three hundred isn't that much of a favorite.

996
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: It would still say it's way, way, way more likely

997
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: that Perty doesn't win than he doesn't, but he has

998
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: the closest odds. The Dak thing is more interesting to

999
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: me because I think he was plus three thousand like

1000
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: three weeks ago, and now he's like kind of a

1001
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: co favorite with Purdy and Hurts. I still like Tyreek.

1002
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 3: I still think actually he has a much better chance

1003
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 3: than those odds, and odds indicate.

1004
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 6: We may be closer to a season where like a

1005
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 6: Tyreek Hill or someone like that, or a Christian McCaffrey

1006
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 6: can rise up and not be a quarterback and win this.

1007
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 6: But like I know where we're all like of this

1008
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 6: world that like quarterback wins, we just ignore them. It's

1009
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 6: almost better if you win three games, but you're a

1010
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 6: pristine like player. But honestly, like Brock Perty, I think

1011
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 6: it matters to voters and like generalists that Brock Purty

1012
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 6: blew out the Cowboys in the game that Dak didn't

1013
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 6: play out play well, and he blew out the Eagles

1014
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 6: in a game that Jalen Hurts played played all right

1015
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 6: in but it wasn't like Jalen Hurts one. And now

1016
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 6: Dak and Jalen Hurts go play each other next week,

1017
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 6: and if one of those really suffers in that game,

1018
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 6: I just you're starting to see, like where where's the

1019
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 6: terrible Brock party game against a giant killer that we

1020
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 6: see recently, Like he's surging and other guys are starting

1021
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 6: to knock each other off. I don't I think that

1022
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 6: affects voting like.

1023
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: I think the last five weeks I stand by that,

1024
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: like the last five weeks ultimately decided. Now you got

1025
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: to kind of be in this top eight probably the start,

1026
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: but the last five weeks will be huge. And if

1027
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: it's on QB wins, which it shouldn't be, and yet

1028
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 3: that will be a huge factor. All these guys are

1029
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: all about the same in terms of their team, so

1030
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: how their teams finish obviously is a huge factor.

1031
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 4: And I'll say it again, just because he keeps on

1032
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 4: coming up. But and this isn't coming at you at all, Greg,

1033
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 4: But you know there's still people have to vote, And

1034
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 4: are we really gonna on All Honors Night gonna call

1035
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 4: up Tyreek Hill, who is someone that has just violence

1036
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 4: in his past and has hurt people. You know, if

1037
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson was having a monster year this year, would

1038
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: we be okay given him the MVP? Where's the line? Like,

1039
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 4: where's the separation with these guys and what they've done

1040
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 4: in their personal life? And when did we decide that

1041
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 4: they're worthy for the discussion of these on field awards

1042
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: and when they should be disqualified or even be vilified

1043
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 4: as people with no redeeming qualities? Like where is that line?

1044
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 4: I'm little bit.

1045
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 3: No redeeming qualities is a pretty strong statement about any person.

1046
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 3: But I guess I would say we've led him. First

1047
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 3: of all, he's back into the league for five six years,

1048
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: He's won multiple postseason awards from the exact same fifty

1049
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 3: voters that are voting on this. So the awards, I think, say,

1050
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: you're not supposed to take that into account. Could that

1051
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: come into account ultimately on a big award like MVP,

1052
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: that's the big fair that's a fair to make.

1053
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't.

1054
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 3: I don't tend to think that's getting priced into those

1055
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 3: numbers or into voters thoughts again, but I could be wrong.

1056
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 3: It's a fair point, I would say, though the exact

1057
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 3: same fifty people are voting First Team All Pro year

1058
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 3: after year, which you can say isn't as big a deal.

1059
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: It isn't, but it's a big honor. It makes a

1060
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: big difference to him, and they've been voting for that

1061
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: sort of thing.

1062
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 4: And for people that don't know, he had an ugly

1063
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 4: domestic violence arrest in college and there was a child

1064
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 4: abuse investigation while he was with the Chiefs. That was

1065
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 4: a huge story at the time. So it is a

1066
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 4: spotty record, to say the least around Hill. But you

1067
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: know what if he if he goes for two thousand

1068
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 4: yards and carries that offense to historic places. Yeah, from

1069
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 4: a pure statistical breakdown, he's in that conversation. It's just

1070
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 4: you know, anything else.

1071
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: It's about it.

1072
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: I'll save my Tyreek kill case you write it is

1073
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: a little awkward for later, But I got some good

1074
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 3: numbers for later, you know.

1075
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: Okay, See that is that's our busy, busy Sunday, Monday Tuesday,

1076
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 4: we're gonna watch some games. We charge our batteries and

1077
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: get ready for our Wednesday program, and then a Thursday program,

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Speaker 4: and then another Thursday pro. You know the wheel, it

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Speaker 4: keeps spinning. Thank you everybody for your support. We could

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Speaker 4: not do it with that you And I'm still seeing

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Speaker 4: all those in our mentions, all those people that have

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Speaker 4: been listening to around the NFL and the podcast. It's

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Speaker 4: a big part of their experience, whether they're in their

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Speaker 4: cars or at home, or maybe there's an ear piece

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Speaker 4: in when they're the wife or the husband's talking and

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Speaker 4: you could just shut out the world. Those kids.

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Speaker 1: Someone at eighty four thousand, was that like a real thing?

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Speaker 1: How is that even possible?

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Speaker 4: Eight? It's incredible, it's incredible. So thank you everybody. The

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Speaker 4: fact that we still have you guys with us eleven

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Speaker 4: years in, we're very lucky.

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Speaker 6: Why don't hundreds of people have eighty four thousand minutes?

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Speaker 3: That's my question, because do the math, it's like four

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Speaker 3: hours a day.

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Speaker 1: How is that we don't even make close to that

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Speaker 1: out of content?

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Speaker 6: So it's just well, someone made someone someone showed that

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Speaker 6: it's possible. So you know, lead, you know, follow that

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Speaker 6: individual's glory.

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Speaker 4: I like that. Mark as as Uh. The great philosopher

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Speaker 4: Paul Houston once said, ambition bites the nails of success.

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Speaker 4: You just got to keep pushing, keep pushing, keep pushing,

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Speaker 4: all right till next time. Thank you, everybody heed the call.