WEBVTT - Safety in Numbers 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:14.800 Crime. Hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of Real 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.040 Time Crime. I'm your host Lee Lamar and I have 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:22.880 with me actually back our friends sometimes oftentimes Dmitri and 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.200 now I deserve this sometimes because I was not here 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.120 last time. So it's true you've been demoted back to sometimes. Well, 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.240 I think that sticks. I think that that nickname resonates 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.560 with everyone anyway, so I would agree with that and 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.000 my little social slukes. Today, we've got a crazy episode 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.520 in the store for you. We've got a lot of guests, Like, uh, 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.520 there's a lot of guests today, so we're not gonna 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.479 do hot topics. We're just gonna talk about a lot 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.640 of big cases. Dmitri, how do you feel about this? 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.520 Not that you have a say yeah, no, can I answer? Now? 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.880 That's cool with you? Um, I like it because listen, 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.520 everybody wants to talk crime, right, That's why they're is this. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.040 That's why there's a podcast, and that's why there's you know, 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.120 so many shows and stuff age. Everyone wants to talk 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.160 about it. Get some other people in here, let's get 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.959 some some different views and stuff like that and find 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.240 out what's really going on. That's how you solve cases. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.160 So just so everyone knows we're going to be deep 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:19.760 diving into the amber heard Johnny Depp case. Again. We 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.080 are all captivated by this case. And if you're not, 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:28.840 I mean, no offense, but you don't really understand good entertainment. Um, 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.440 So we're gonna be talking with one of the biggest 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.880 entertainment lawyers in Hollywood who's going to tell us what 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.240 she thinks is going to happen at the end of 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.680 this case. We'll pick her brain about it a little 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.080 bit as well, and then we're going to get into 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.840 talking with two of the producers of ABC's Who Do 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.320 You Believe, which is a new true crime show. And 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.360 you guys, this is gonna be a great episode. I'm 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.440 very excited. Also, just let everyone know I'm going to 0:01:55.480 --> 0:02:00.000 a visa literally right after this. I've never been to Europe. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.280 I don't know how that's possible. Really, yeah, I know. See, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.320 even Demitria surprised. What you look like. Your your world 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.520 traveler like you you've you know, so I just assumed 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.639 that you had been everywhere. Thank you. I'm actually been 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.240 living in a bubble pretty much my whole life, and 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.720 I've decided that i need to see the world. So 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.240 every episode. I'll be in a different place for the 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.760 next almost month. Hey, so, if you happen to be 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.680 a fan of the podcast and you live in Dubai, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.560 I'll be there at the very end of my trip 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.040 doing a comedy festival. So if you want to come 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.840 meet up in person, let me know. And guys, let's 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.680 waste no more time. We got to talk about our 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:52.000 first guest, who is absolutely stunning and intelligent and successful 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.040 and I'm so excited she's on the podcast today. She's 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.000 a Beverly Hills based entertainment attorney. Her name is Mitra 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.519 are In. She's represented every type of player in Hollywood, 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.560 from actors, every type of player, including my ex Okay, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.320 I mean it's like you knew it was coming, all right. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.680 From actors, musicians, producers, movie studios, book publishers. Her longtime 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:17.560 clients have included Justin Baldoni, Oh I love him, NFL 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.240 player Ryan Claudy, the world famous Magic Castle. She just 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.959 reps the Magic Castle casually. That's pretty wild. She's done 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.760 deals for Larry King, Bill Maher Rain Wilson, Penn Badgeley, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.920 Ja Shetty. Not only does she have firsthand knowledge on 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:37.640 a wide range of issues including intellectual property, copyright infringement, incorporation, 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.000 show business contracts, and sexual harassment plates. But she has 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.280 been closely following amber Heard's defamation trial. Why do I 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.840 say defamation every time? I'm not sure, I think because 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.160 after that one story, I'm you're afraid that you're gonna 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.680 say defecation. So I think you just kind of tweak 0:03:52.760 --> 0:04:02.200 it defamation. It's it's the defamation defication trial. Sadly, it 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.360 is the deafamation death vaication trap. We should make a musical. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.960 We should make a musical. Um, Okay, so you guys, 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:15.080 basically moral of the story is she's going to come on, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.680 Mitra is incredible. She's gonna share some insight on the 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:23.400 Johnny Depp amber Heard story, and maybe we can slowly 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.119 or very quickly ask her about Mike Tyson and asap Rocky. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.920 Let's see. All right, please, welcome to the show, Mitra. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.279 How's it going. Hello, Oh my gosh, it's nice to 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.839 meet you. To me, just so you know, I've already 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:43.719 introduced you. I can just just imagine feeling very loved 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:50.440 with a very big, flattering introduction. We're so exciting, said, 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:55.680 but okay, you know, yeah, only only the best things, 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.080 only your biggest credits, all of it. They were Honestly, 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.240 I'm still learning how to read. And it was a lot, 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:05.599 so thank you. Um, you know, it was just like intelligent, successful, 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.160 gorgeous killing It worked with all the stars, but then 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.160 named them all, you know. And then there was a 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.400 gas when we got to the Magic Castle. There was 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.640 a bit of gasp from both of us. We gasped. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.200 I was like, the whole Magic Castle is your client. Yeah, 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.080 I mean that's wild. For people who don't live in 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.840 Los Angeles, you don't know how legendary the Magic Castle is, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:35.880 and that's a you problem. But but it is a 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.640 destination where it's worth coming to l A just to 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.400 go to the Magic Castle. I actually know it sounds crazy. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:46.080 Hate magic. I have magic phobia. Well I know, except 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.320 for when I go to the Magic Castle because I 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.560 get so nervous that they're not going to finish their 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:56.479 trick and it just performers anxiety. It's performers anxiety. And 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.680 so every time I even went on a date with 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.240 this guy once and he hired a magician. Is a 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.080 long story, but I was like this, I mean, you're 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:10.640 not gonna get a second date. Yeah, surprisingly we're not 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.480 married anyway, Enough about me, Mitra, let's just jump right in. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.400 Weird you're here? Sorry, go ahead? Do you feel good 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.160 about that one? To me? Do you know what? It 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:21.440 came to me? And I was just like, you know what, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.839 that's gotta be seen? Sorry, go ahead? Oh boy, Okay, 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:27.400 he really would have had to pull a rabbit out 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.120 of a hat to get a second date. Okay, we're 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.640 moving on anyway. All right, Okay, I'm gonna go back 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.280 in the waiting room and come back. Guys are done 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:41.480 with whatever this is. Okay, I'm like interview, so sorry, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:46.599 come on one this morning. Um, Metra, can you tell 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.240 us what is the latest with the Johnny Depp and 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.880 Amber Heard trial. First of all, this has been the 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.360 most amazing case to cover. Um, it's like so many 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.599 emotions happening. It's sad. Um, it's hard to see, you know, 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.640 a celebrity you know and love kind of airing it 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.640 all out like that. Um. There are times when he's 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:12.960 charming and funny and you know, and it's really kind 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:17.840 of hard to imagine that in order to get justice 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.360 a celebrity has to go through all of this and really, 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.760 Era all his dirty laundry. So as far as the updates. Um. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.720 But so we started with the plaintiff's case, which is 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.000 Johnny Depp sued Amber heard right, and then of course 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.520 she countersued for the same thing for defamation for what 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.360 he alleged in his lawsuit, basically that she was a liar. Um. 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.880 And so he sues her for defamation. And defamation we 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.400 all know is like something that somebody says about you 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.480 that's negative, or somebody puts something in print that's negative. Um. 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.239 But for a celebrity, they have to also go beyond 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.520 that and show that they did it with malice so 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.720 maliciously meaning knowing it was, knowing it was false, or 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:05.760 not caring if those false. Um. So Johnny's lawyers kind 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.400 of started by, you know what I like to call 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.840 the character development phase of a trial, which is very 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.360 much like a movie. You're kind of introducing Johnny Depp 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.840 as the character. Um, you know, his childhood. It started 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.320 with testimony of his sister talking about when he was 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:26.560 a kid and was abused and also describing kind of 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.920 the learned adaptive behaviors that he picked up as a kid, 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.200 which is getting you know, kind of escaping from the 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.320 abuse or staying out of the line of fire, so 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.760 to speak. Um, and then sort of went through the 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:45.439 dynamic of their relationship with Amber being the aggressor and 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.000 the one that's constantly sort of poking at him, and 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.640 you know, even played some recordings of her admitting to 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:54.640 having hit him. I hit you, I hate you, sort 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.520 of stuff like that, and um. And then after that, 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.640 you know, they get to cross exam and him on 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.679 the other side, and that's when sort of the ugly 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.280 stuff comes out. So can I ask you a quick question? 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.280 So it's funny because we think that we know somebody, 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.000 especially when they're an active you think you know. So 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.920 the character set up is always quite fascinating because you 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.760 learned so much more about someone that you kind of 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:16.960 even though we know we know don't know them, we 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.400 think we do. Um, how do you think his team 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.959 did with his character set up? I think they did 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.520 a great job. They made him look really vulnerable. Sometimes 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:30.080 celebrities are really larger than life, and so you know, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.040 and it's and like you said, it's really hard to 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:36.080 distinguish what we know about them as characters and what 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.200 we also project on celebrities as you know, this is 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.240 who we think they are, who we want them to be. 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.920 So they presented him as this, you know, this guy 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:49.200 who has had addiction problems but also created empathy around 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.240 that with his you know, sort of his abuse and 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.920 all of that, um and his struggles to get sober. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.240 And so I think they did a really really good 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.720 job of humanizing him, and that's key when you're in 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:16.000 any lawsuit. Yeah. So, I mean I have a million questions, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.160 but you know, I see him as Captain Jack Sparrow 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.640 on the stand. You know, he's so charming and he's 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.160 without even trying to hilarious. You know, his use of 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.440 language is so unique, and the fact that he even 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.160 when he's insulting someone, he's like, refers to her as 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.280 a slippery whore. It's like, what, you know, do you 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:41.240 think that these elements of charm will and his you know, 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:46.000 humor so to speak. You know, when he's correcting, um, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.080 correcting them when they're asking, oh is that right, and 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:49.960 he's like, no, it's not best of luck, it's best 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:56.400 if luck. Yeah, he's good, but I mean, I mean, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:00.280 he's a good actor. But I honestly, I'm like, wow, 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.319 this feels like they are shooting a movie that we're 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.079 all watching in real time, like we're all on the 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.360 Truman Show. But do you think that that sort of 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.840 element of charm and humor will help him in the 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.960 trial or do you think that ultimately people will see 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.360 through it or they won't be able to identify that 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.400 as as something that would help him in the trial. Yeah, 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.000 that's a good question. So you got to think like 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.600 a jury, right, so you are going to be here 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:27.040 for six weeks not able to look at anything because 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:28.800 you know, it's a high profile case, so you're not 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.000 allowed to really look at anything outside of what's going 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.200 on in that courtroom. Some of it's really boring. Some 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.280 of it drags out. I mean some of the questions 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.480 that lawyers have to ask are really foundational or you 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.760 know kind of no one cares in a sense, but 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.240 they have to kind of lay things out legally. So 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.120 it's you know, hours and hours a day. So if 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.280 I were on a jury, I'd be like, oh my god, 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.040 thank god somebody made me laugh or thank god I 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.080 saw like some emotion or some personality or something, because 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.120 you kind of need those moments, you know, of like 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:02.360 comic relief or entertainment. Um, so I can't imagine that 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.960 would that would hurt him. You know what's interesting too, 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.880 is that when stuff like Lea pointed out like like oh, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.320 he's like, no, it's not of it's if like when 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.600 correcting those things, if I'm on a jury, if I'm 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.360 just thinking from a differ, from a different perspective, he's 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.720 correcting it to make sure that they get the smallest awards, right. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.960 So in my mind, I'm like, oh, this guy's this 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.480 guy's a stickler for details. He's telling the truth. He's 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.680 making sure that everything's right. So subliminally, subconsciously, as it 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.679 goes on, I'm thinking, oh, he's telling me the truth 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.439 because he's corrected the Yeah, he's he's come off as 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:38.959 really credible, as authentic. Um as you know you believe him. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.320 Um he was. I mean they really leaned into the 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.560 drug abuse and the alcoholism his lawyers did before the 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.080 defense even had a chance to bring it up, basically 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.600 getting rid of that surprise factor or that sting that 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.199 you know they're going to come in and say, well, 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.280 he was an addict, and you know, ad ex abuse 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.160 people and they block out, they don't know what they 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.800 do and all of that, but they leaned into that, 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:08.520 which made him super vulnerable and really credible, and I 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.479 think that that was that, I mean, obviously very deliberate, 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.360 but like you said, you know, he also senses when 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.120 they're trying to catch him in something he said before 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.040 and kind of twist and minipulate his words, so instead 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.400 of giving them the yes or no that they want, 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:29.199 he sort of is like clarifying, which is really smart. Okay, 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.640 so sorry, I just wanted to piggyback on something that 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.160 you brought up before, which was that if you're on 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.360 the jury, you're not allowed to be watching clips of 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.240 the trial online, you know, or check them out. It's 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:43.560 almost like you're in a quarantine again. Yep. But I 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:49.040 remember reading just maybe last week that one of Johnny's witnesses, 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:54.000 Georgina Dooders, was dismissed from the trial because she watched 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.280 clips of the trial online allegedly and because Amber Heard's 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.000 friend was watching in the courtroom. Man now she's Eve 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.560 Barlow has now since been banned from the courtroom because 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.720 of this um and also apparently her dramatic nature and 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.720 tweeting and texting from the front row of the courtroom, 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.000 which is something that usually people who are just friends 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.760 of someone on trial don't really have the privilege of 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.880 doing right. Um, but do you think that you know 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.040 this will hurt his case? Do you think that? Um? 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.320 I mean I read that it seemed like it was 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.200 going to be a blow to the case. But do 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.360 you think that he'll have enough to go off of 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.920 to win. Well, we don't know what her testimony was 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.040 going to be, and usually the testimony is like a 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.120 big piece of the puzzle, right the way they're going 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.960 to tell the story. Um, it didn't hurt them that 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.360 she did that, because you know, the judge even said 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.080 it was kind of obvious that they didn't know. She said, 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.880 I believe you guys that you didn't know that this happened. Um, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.120 So that was okay, didn't kind of get you know, 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.040 they didn't get out of the good racist of the judge. 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.240 But in terms of storytelling, they're going to have to 0:14:54.360 --> 0:15:00.440 find a way to kind of connect the dots without her. Okay. Also, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.840 there is a rumor that Amber's lawyer quit. Is that true? 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.520 I didn't hear that. Okay, I don't think so, because 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.520 he's still the main there's two main lawyers. Um, and 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.040 you're gonna love it when I hit one of them. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.840 His name's Rotten Born. Um, and everyone like you can't 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.480 when you're commenting on this and you just can't not 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.920 can't make fun of that. But those are the things 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.320 that you change. Yeah, does that not get change? Yeah? Yeah? 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.200 I mean so yeah, that's you know, he's in a 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.720 very public case and people cannot help but bring that up. 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:38.120 But um, but those two are definitely there. They have 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.360 obviously a team of lawyers, so there's a lot of 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:44.120 people that are also there that might be, um, you know, 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.880 involved kind of behind the scenes. Um, but as far 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.840 as I can tell, everyone's still there. Okay. So also, 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:57.080 just on the note of them continually bringing up him 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:01.040 being quote unquote a monster when he's drawn or on drugs, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.400 and that he's an addict and that you know, Elton 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.400 John tried to help him get sober and he gets 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.920 aggressive when he's drunk and all these different things. I 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.320 thought that it was interesting that they were like, oh, 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.640 when you do drugs or when you get drunk with 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.600 Marilyn Manson. It's like he gets drunk with everyone, not 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.040 just Marilyn Manson. So I'm wondering do you think that 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.880 they keep trying to align him with Maryland so that 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.240 people's perception of him is that he is painted in 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.760 a more negative light. Because okay, one, because he was 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.360 I think he was convicted of abuse or play guilty too, 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.440 amusing a woman too, and just he's I mean, everyone 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:48.120 knows he's like weird, right, no matter, just yeah. Well, 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.920 I will say I was at Marilyn Manson's birthday party 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.840 five years ago, six five, and Giant Up was there, 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.400 Courtney Love was there, and everyone was quote unquote having 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.640 a good time. So um, but I would say probably 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.880 one of the more magical musical performances I've ever seen. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:10.560 Not that I'm sure that must have been because you 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.439 don't drink, right, so that must have been quite an 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.560 event for you to be there with all those heavy 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.480 party ers just watching. Well, I mean, this is like 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.560 the story of my life. Okay. So so okay, Mitra, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:27.359 you know, we have photo and video evidence of him 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.800 having bruises on his face, of her having bruises on 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.639 her on her face, um, of him saying, you know, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:38.080 she like burst open the bathroom door and bashed his head, 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:43.200 and you know they have a very violent relationship and 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:49.520 it's super intense and filled with drama. I mean, at 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.879 this point, I don't know if I feel like I 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:56.760 really can tell who's in the right or the wrong, 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:58.800 because there's a part of me that's like, deep down, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.879 if I look into my self, do I think that 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.320 Johnny Depp is just very charismatic and I love him 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.480 and so I just believe him more. Um, But then again, 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.239 I you know, Amber Heard did ship the bed and 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.439 leave it there, so you know, a lot of questions, 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.280 but how do you think this will turn out? So 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:17.880 I think a lot of people are sort of struggling 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.040 with what you're you know, what you're describing is we 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:21.960 love Johnny Depp. We don't want to believe that he 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.760 was the aggressor here. You know, today we have testimony 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:29.400 from a psychologist saying Amber Heard has porterline personality disorder. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.560 And you know, she's clearly from the videos and the 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.480 audio that we're hearing, I mean, she's got a lot 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.879 of issues too, and she's causing a lot of this. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:43.760 Their own marriage counselor described them as being mutually abusive. 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.240 So I think that's kind of like we recognize, you know, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.440 we either some people have been or they know people 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.200 who have just been in these toxic relationships where their 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.800 traumas are attracted to each other and they can't get out, 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.880 like they are horrible to one another, but they love 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.199 each other. And it just sounds like that. So if 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.879 there's anyone on the jury that kind of knows people 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.040 like that or has been in a relationship like that, 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.639 or even is just watching the evidence, is like, you, 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.960 guys are both involved in this somehow, you know. So 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.640 that's going to make the case really hard for him 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:20.360 to prove. It's so interesting because she keeps filming him 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.200 when he doesn't know he's being filmed, and it's like, 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.880 are you doing that because you were trying to show 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.439 people the abuse because it's happened so many times, or 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.560 because you are trying to trap someone and somehow catch 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.400 them in a moment out of context, you know? I mean, 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.679 I just yeah, So so you don't so do you 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:42.920 feel like you know who will come out on top 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.679 in this case? I think that the jury is going 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:47.920 to be kind of tired of hearing all this after 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:52.520 six weeks, and they're gonna be I think there's enough 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.639 there to really say that they were both involved in 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.159 the abuse and there's different kinds of abuse, right, So 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.159 it's not just physical. There's a lot of you know, 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:05.080 emotional abuse and psychological abuse. I mean the kind of 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.720 the stuff you hear her saying about, like why would 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:09.600 you or want to work with you? You know, like 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.679 they they are a classy brand, like why would they 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.600 want why would they want you? Like stuff like that, 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.280 you know, or it's like it's super degrading and just 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:22.439 not a healthy, healthy relationships. So I think people are 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.520 going to see that and not be able to say, Okay, 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.160 this was a one way thing. Do you think there's 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.879 any way that she goes and testifies and just ruins 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:35.800 it for herself. You know, it's interesting they have, UM, 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.080 they have people like like you know, people study human behavior, 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.520 UM sort of watching her. She's been really good about 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:47.480 kind of having this very stoic, like straight face, trying 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.480 not to react to too many things. But there's people 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.880 that are observing her, you know, especially with the case 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.439 like this, when you have millions of dollars being spent 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:01.600 on legal fees, everyone's interpreting and analyzing everything that happens 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:05.000 in that courtroom, from every single juror you know, to her. 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.760 And I was watching this thing. Um it was actually 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.960 on air with this woman who was um like observing 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:18.439 her microbe expressions, and there was a moment where she 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.679 was expressing like contempt because just like one side of 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.679 her cheek was up like you couldn't even notice it. 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.760 So I think that if people, and I think people 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.160 kind of feel those things like they don't realize what's 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.760 happening necessarily, but that's how we kind of gauge people, 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.520 is like body language. So I think there's a lot 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.520 of ways where she can she can hurt herself, and 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:43.359 I think it's going to be an uphill battle for 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.840 her just because she's going second. We've heard so much 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:52.440 about her. Mm hmm. Okay, Tom too. Do you have 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.359 any final questions or can we move on? We have 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:57.320 a couple of moments with Mitra and I want to 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.480 slide in a couple of Mike Tyson questions, a couple 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.280 of eyes after hockey questions. Yeah, no, I want to 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:06.720 as well. Okay, awesome, Semitra. I know because we don't 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:08.120 have that much time with you, we also just want 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.359 to ask you quickly, what do you think is going 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:14.239 to happen with the Mike Tyson incident? You know, do 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:17.000 you see I mean, like, do you think he'll get 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.280 charged for punching the other passenger even though he was 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.320 the one being provoked? I think so. I mean, I 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:26.000 think physical is a whole another level. You know, that's 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:29.560 that's sort of you know, it's there's a separate line 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:34.080 for physical um, and that's that's battery. Um. And so 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.480 I think there's a criminal element. There's also federal like 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:43.639 federal laws when in the in an airplane. Um. And 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.439 so there's those kinds of laws that are specific to 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.080 being on board with a plane where people can't really 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:52.639