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Speaker 1: Helly, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did What Now?

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Speaker 1: The history podcast that is not Your History class with me,

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Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlewood, History Harlotte and reader of books.

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Speaker 1: If you've got a wee bit of deja vu from

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Speaker 1: reading the title, you're not wrong, whether it being Pride

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Speaker 1: months or are pulling some of my favorite LGBTQ people

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Speaker 1: from history from the vault and bringing them back for

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Speaker 1: another go around. We're also going to see the return

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Speaker 1: of the bittisodes this month, just because there were so

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Speaker 1: many things I want to talk about but they just

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Speaker 1: don't fit into a full hour long episode. So the

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Speaker 1: bittysodes are going to return for Pride Month at least,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to be next month,

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Speaker 1: but definitely for Pride. On top of that news housekeeping news,

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Speaker 1: I guess. So the tour will be starting later this year.

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Speaker 1: And if you want your country, state city, if you

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Speaker 1: to the hooded what now called website. If you go there,

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Speaker 1: there is a sort of a page where you can

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Speaker 1: there's also an option to be notified when tickets go

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if.

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Speaker 1: You want to do that and vote for me to

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Speaker 1: be places, that would be amazing. And it also helps

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Speaker 1: me organize my tour. So it is ft in two

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Speaker 1: three separate categories. We have USA, we have Canada, and

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Speaker 1: we have Europe. I don't have out with that at

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Speaker 1: the minute. I haven't got Asia planned. I haven't got

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Speaker 1: that far yet because that's even more compond for me

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Speaker 1: to organize. So we are not there yet. If you

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Speaker 1: want to hear more of me, and you want to

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Speaker 1: hear me talk about one of my favorite things ever,

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Speaker 1: which is Poison. Every Wednesday, my new podcast with my

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Speaker 1: dear dear friend Jay is being released Day and Nightshade. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that is the name. Yes, I'm very proud of it. No,

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Speaker 1: I did not come up with the name myself. I

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Speaker 1: asked my other dear friend Paul. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: need a name for this and it's about this and

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Speaker 1: he was like, what about ABCD And I was like, yes,

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Speaker 1: sold ten out of ten. So that means if you're

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Speaker 1: listening to this on day of release, you'll have this

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Speaker 1: episode to listen to, and then tomorrow on day of release,

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Speaker 1: you will have more.

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Speaker 2: To listen to.

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Speaker 1: I am very excited to bring Day and Nightshade to y'all.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you understand just how excited this has been,

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Speaker 1: like several years in the making, like we've been trying

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Speaker 1: to do this and Jay has been flying over from

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Speaker 1: Germany so that we can record together in the same room,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's literally keeping your friendship alive.

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Speaker 2: I think at this point, so to let our friendship diet.

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Speaker 1: But what else I have more?

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Speaker 2: I know I have more news. I feel like I

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Speaker 2: have more news.

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Speaker 1: Goodness there is Oh, I can't tell you that yet actually,

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Speaker 1: But anyway with that, I know.

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Speaker 2: What you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: You're thinking, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Quite your jebbel jabber in fact me, in fact you

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Speaker 2: are well. But first we've got to get our source

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Speaker 2: on Marlena Dietrich, Life and Legend by Stephen buck Herluna

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Speaker 2: Dietrich by Maria Riva, Famous Impostors by Brahms Stoker, Blackmail,

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Speaker 2: Scandal and Revolution by Simon Burrows, The Sound of the

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Speaker 2: Chevalier by Guy Adams. This Case of the Chevalier Deon

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Speaker 2: de Beaumont by John bu can tell far Narsieur Dion

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Speaker 2: is a woman, A tale of political Intrigue and Sexual

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Speaker 2: Masquerade by Gary Kaits, And we have basically unfinished memoirs.

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Speaker 2: We've got unfinished memoirs of the Chevalier Dion. So we've

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Speaker 2: got memoirs, letters, correspondence, a bunch of stuff that got translated,

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Speaker 2: and nevertheless, our favorites history dot com and biography dot com.

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Speaker 2: Io sitting comfortably good, then let's begin. So you may

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Speaker 2: be thinking to yourself, Katie, I know what's pride mones,

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Speaker 2: but are you seriously working through the LGBTQ I A

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Speaker 2: in no particular order. It appeals so motherfuckers. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: so many interesting people from history that we don't discuss.

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Speaker 2: the most famous asexual in history to my knowledge. I

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Speaker 2: so this week I wanted to talk about the Chevalier Dion.

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Speaker 2: So let's start from the beginning. Shat We Deale was

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Speaker 2: born Charles Genevieve Louis Auguste Andre Dell de Beaumond. Because

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Speaker 2: the British government right now. Really, what you doing, Like seriously,

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Speaker 2: Clearly they had a lot of time in their hands.

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Speaker 2: Dion is, and it gets so dangerous that Dion is

427
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: like mobbed in the street with people trying to figure

428
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: out like grab their clothes and figure out, like you

429
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: know what genitals they have, that they are not safe

430
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: in London. And one day they just fucking disappear and

431
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: they're friends are convinced they've been kidnapped or killed. They

432
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: do return six weeks later, they're just like, oh, I

433
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: was in Germany. I went to Germany for a bit

434
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: because I was worried for my safety, and then I

435
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: heard that you'll thought I was missing, so I came back.

436
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: And they do admit they had considered going to Ireland,

437
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: the most tolerant of states, and they had considered going

438
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: to Ireland because nobody knew them there, but they could

439
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: have gotten away with it. So London is is just

440
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: a bit much by the time they come back and

441
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: they are sort of they're closeted at home. They say

442
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: they're closeted at home because at this point they're still

443
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: wearing their dragoon uniform, like that's what they wear because

444
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: that's again, you're appointed for life if you're a dragoon.

445
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: So they're constantly walking around like this, and people are

446
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: like man handling them to try and find out, you know,

447
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: is there a payer avee that's gone on down there,

448
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: And so most of the time they just kind of

449
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: shut in and don't leave the house. And then one

450
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: of their pals offers to let them stay in their country,

451
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: stay for a couple of months, and they accept because

452
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: obviously it's safer for them. Now, the King's advisors send

453
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: a secretary over to England to find out Deyon's gender,

454
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: to which they say, yes, yes, Dayon is definitely a woman.

455
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: I assessed the situation. I inspected them, and stay saw

456
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: that they were a woman, and the King of France

457
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: is like okay. Meanwhile, with all this going on, Dyon

458
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: is asking for the exile to be lifted, but of

459
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: course they want to keep Dayon in England for spy

460
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: work and also because like, being in France is going

461
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: to cause some issues because everyone knows who they are.

462
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: Luckily every day On though. In seventeen fifty four, King

463
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: Louis the fifteenth dies and the twenty year old Larry

464
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: the sixteenth is now King of France. So Louis the

465
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: sixteenth is told about the king's secret and he's like,

466
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: what the fuck, shut it down? What is this? Like

467
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: he is of the opinion that, like the king shouldn't

468
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: be doing this weird coak and dagger shit, and so

469
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: he's like no, no, no, no, no no, like done. Now.

470
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: Louis is also informed that Dale is woman, and Louy's like, cool,

471
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: let's give them protection, a pension, remove the eggs al

472
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: but also in exchange for those documents for invading England

473
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: because I feel like we shouldn't have those out and

474
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: about you know what I mean, like maybe let's not

475
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: have that happening, and and the negotiation it takes a while.

476
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: It takes a while because there are some very strong

477
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: personalities in this and they have they have again very

478
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: strong opinions. See day On once it known that gershe

479
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: tried to kill them. And they also want to be

480
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: fully recognized, like officially recognized as a woman. And the

481
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: King is like, fine, I guess, but you have to

482
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: live as a woman, so like you have to wear

483
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: women's clothing, not men's clothing, because like in France as well,

484
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: at this point, it was illegal for women to wear trousers.

485
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: So there was a whole situation that being said, dressing

486
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: as a man when you were a woman. It wasn't

487
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: seen as unusual because it happened like quite a few times,

488
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: like it was a known like thing that happened, so

489
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: people weren't too surprised by it. So Dayon is like, Okay,

490
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: if I'm wearing women's clothing, then I should be a

491
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: like to wear like my dragoon uniform because like I've

492
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: always worn it. And also women's clothing is really uncomfortable,

493
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: and they're just kind of going back and forth over this,

494
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: and eventually Dalne is like, fine, but you're going to

495
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: pay for high new wardrobe and the King's like, grand,

496
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: let's do this. So meanwhile in England, people are betting

497
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: so much on gender, right on the gender of Dale,

498
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: and it gets to a point where like judges, a judge,

499
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: an official judge declares it illegal to bet on someone's gender,

500
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: and I think it might still be illegal today, but

501
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: like they make it illegal, so you can't do that.

502
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: So by seventeen seventy seven, so like three years after

503
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: Louis becomes Kingdon manages to leave England for France and

504
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: they're still in uniform and again and you've got these

505
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: gender dressing laws and so they're told they have to

506
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: change or get arrested. So like initially they end up

507
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: in this convent and they're like change into men's clothes

508
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: in the m No. So the end of gotting to

509
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: a monastery and staying in this sort of areel where

510
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: like the female relatives of the monks would stay if

511
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 2: they were visiting. But again they're still in their fucking uniform.

512
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 2: Now there's this whole thing about women's clothing and dayon

513
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: isn't super into this concept of femininity because like, it's

514
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: not just about the clothes. It's about control, it's about

515
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: being a woman, is not about the clothes you wear.

516
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: Like we always talk about breaking down gender roles, and

517
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 2: then this is a thing about turfs. Right of fucking

518
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: hate turfs, and I'll shout it from the rooftops, right,

519
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: like women have fought for years to not be conditioned

520
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: and forced into these predetermined gender roles. And then you

521
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: get angry for trans women not like falling within traditional

522
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: gender roles, like for not adhering to these pretend made

523
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: up rules, like fuck this for a game of soldiers,

524
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: Like what the fuck are you talking about? It's stupid.

525
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: It's just stupid, you know what. I think? Now is

526
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: a good time to go for a message from our sponsors.

527
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: Good luck and we are back. So where we're we?

528
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: That's right, ranting about women's clothing. So basically Dale is

529
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: fully aware that it's not the clothing itself, but it's

530
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: what the clothing represents, because clothing represents character, and in

531
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: the eyes of the French law, the French government and

532
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 2: sort of the general populace. By forcing female regalia onto dale,

533
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: it would in a way subdue them, Like that is

534
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: the point. It's subdue the person. It is to make

535
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: them less vocal. It's to reduce their power. And female clothing,

536
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: especially typical female attire, like throughout history, is done in

537
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: such a way to restrict movement, like courset. I mean,

538
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: of course it was shapewear, so like that's it much.

539
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 2: But like the giant hoop skirts or like wiggle skirts

540
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: when they came in, like throughout history, you have there's

541
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: not normally course its corsets are underwear, like it's a

542
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: support device, but like there were so many items of

543
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: clothing that exist. Like the reason the reticule became like

544
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: that way tiny teeny tiny handbag situation was because pockets

545
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: were removed from women's clothing. And one of the reasons

546
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: pockets were removed from women's clothing is because of the

547
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: French Revolution. So they were worried that people would have

548
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: pamphlets and because they would have these massive sort of

549
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: pockets underneath their skirts, and they didn't want women carrying pamphlets,

550
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: you know, and it's a whole situation anyway, the idea

551
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: of feminine clothing is that it's going to make deal docile,

552
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 2: and like not everyone is like happy with this idea

553
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 2: of forcing them into women's clothing even though they're identifying

554
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: as a woman. So the dragoons are well mad about it,

555
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: because as far as they're concerned, I mean, they're not

556
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: pushing for female soldiers by any stretch of the imagination,

557
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 2: but as far as they're concerned, dragoons are like, it's

558
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: a lifetime appointment. You are a dragoon for life, and

559
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: so they're well mad about it because you're basically seeing

560
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: that you can take that from them even though it's

561
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: supposed to be a lifetime thing, like it's an issue.

562
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: And then you've got women who are fighting for this

563
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: because they're going, well, you shouldn't force them into this,

564
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: because just because women are, you know, whatever, they shouldn't

565
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: be pushed into wearing sku and like there's this whole

566
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: movement behind it. Eventually, Dale concedes and Marie Antoinette's wardrobe

567
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: director is charged with giving them their attire and the

568
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: king is paying for it, because of course, of course

569
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: they do, because the king is paying for it. Because

570
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 2: Dione's like, you're paying me and so they're getting the

571
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 2: best dresser in the fucking country, like Marie Antoinette's personal wardrobe,

572
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: Like this is like all going to be handmade, it's

573
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: going to be the best of stuff. And the government,

574
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: i mean effectively they're trying to restrict Dale's access to

575
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: the public's fear, they're trying to reduce their power. But

576
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: don is not going to go away like slowly, Like

577
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: that's not happening. So at the age of forty nine,

578
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: Dale starts wearing female attire. In seventeen seventy seven, they

579
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: are presented to court and they like and they're like

580
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: hanging out with Marie Antoinette, like they're very accepted by Louis,

581
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: Like they're they're doing pretty well for themselves. They're kind

582
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 2: of generally accepted in court and and it sort of

583
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: rebuilds their public standing because remember they were a disgraced

584
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: spy and now they were French heroin, like they've moved

585
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: through the ranks. And they also change it from Chevalier

586
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: to Chevalier, so Chevalier de Leon Dion, sorry, Chevalier Dion,

587
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: which is hed upout this it's basically you could have

588
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: been Chevalier. It was already a title, but it would

589
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: be like the wife of a chevalier, you know. So

590
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: the nobility's opinion of them, it raises, and they be

591
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: kind of become like, you know, hot stuff, and they're

592
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: getting invited to like parties. They're kind of going around.

593
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: They're going to soirees. The newspapers are writing about them,

594
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: like if there's a gossip column, they're in it, you

595
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: know what I mean. The pamphlets, they're in the pamphlets.

596
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: So what's interesting about them is like they don't change

597
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: their mannerisms to conform to the concept of femininity in womanhood.

598
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: So they're fencing at parties, they're like speaking openly, they're

599
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: giving opinions, and they poured coffee for the ladies. Now

600
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: here's the thing. Men are supposed to pour the coffee.

601
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: Women are not supposed to pour their own coffee. It's

602
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: a role in Rococo Frans. Don't judge me. I'm just

603
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: telling you how it is. But they're like, I'm going

604
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: to pour my coffee. I'm not going to like force

605
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 2: myself into this traditional feminine role regardless of whether I'm

606
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 2: a woman or not. Like it doesn't matter because gender

607
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: roles are bullshit. So Dale actually ends up meeting Benjamin Franklin,

608
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: who's get support for the American War of Independence. So

609
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: they're like dining together, they're hanging out, and Dale wants

610
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: to help out in the war, like they want to

611
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: be like, I want to support you, I want to

612
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: help you fight England, like Benny, but buddy, like, let's

613
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: get to this. And so they go to the government

614
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: and the Government's like, no, can you join a nunneray instead, Like,

615
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: because they're so openly out there and doing this, they

616
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: really want to start pushing them under the rug, and

617
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: so they are like trying to force them to go

618
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: to a nunnery. And Dale does consider this, like they

619
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: visit some convents, but they don't really vibe with the

620
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: whole thing because there's not a lot to do in

621
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: a nunnery, Like it's boring, Like they pray, maybe read

622
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: a Bible or two, like and then that's it. So

623
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: when they're like convincing, like fucking convince, Dale writes to

624
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: everybody they know to try and convince them to let

625
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: them join and aid in the War of Independence, like

626
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: they are trying. Eventually everyone's like just go back to

627
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: Burgunday the King's like, come on, like, go back to Burgundy,

628
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: chill out a wee bit, have some time to yourself.

629
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: And I'd like to imagine that Deale like just puts

630
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: a hand up to their forehead as if they're about

631
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: to faint, and it's like I am to ail if

632
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: I'm being bored, like they're just I am too siddentally,

633
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: basically the ideas that they've been sitting about and doing

634
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: nothing for so long that like they're just too sick

635
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: to go, like I'm wasting away, Like they just have

636
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: nothing else to do, so they're too ill to like

637
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: travel to Burgundy. And it gets to the point where

638
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: Louis is just so pissed off he has Deale arrested

639
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: and imprisoned for nineteen days. So Dale compares this to

640
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: Joan of Arcarc. It's like, oh, I am so patrioted,

641
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: like Joan of Arc, who was also punished for wanting

642
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: to fight in a war and wearing men's clothing, which

643
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: is which is true, which is actually that's actually why

644
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: Joan of Arc was arrested. She was arrested because she

645
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: was wearing men's clothing, not for like witchcraft, like they

646
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: were like they caught her on it, and they did

647
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: it sneakily. It was a sneaky thing they did. But

648
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: that's now you're not there. So after nineteen days, you know,

649
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: Dale comes out and is like, fine, I will go

650
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: to Burgunday and I won't wear trousers. And so they

651
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: go and stay with their mum and they're there in

652
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: Burgunday with their mum for the next six years. Now.

653
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how their mom felt about the scenario,

654
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: but I feel like it was not a positive experience

655
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: for anybody, to be honest. So they do try and

656
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: leave for England. Daon's like, hey, let me get passage

657
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: to England because like, I'm just chilling here in Burgundy

658
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: and I have got nothing to do, and like it

659
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: would just be a fun little trip for me. And

660
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: France is like, no, you did try and sell our

661
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: secrets to them, and I feel like, probably not the

662
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: best idea because they don't know if they've amassed extra

663
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: spy stuff, like they don't know what's happening. They don't

664
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 2: want to run that risk. And so seventeen eighty five, though,

665
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: they do end up going and they go ahead to

666
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: England and there for a couple of years, four issues,

667
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: I think, and then Dale goes back to France and

668
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: when they get there, they are in full support of

669
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: the French Revolution, even though they themselves are members of

670
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: the aristocracy I mean, I mean, in fairness, they had

671
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: been dealt a shift hand by the government and they

672
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: just kind of really saw like power to the people

673
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: was like this really good movement, and they were like

674
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: super into it, and they end up writing a letter

675
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: to the National Assembly asking to be reinstated into the

676
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: army and given a regiment of women to lead into

677
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: battle for France. Now the Assembly are like laughing off

678
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: a little bit, but also like applauding, so they're kind

679
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: of supporting it, but also they're they're not gonna do that.

680
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: They think it's a silly idea, but like they appreciate

681
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: like the idea of it, like you know what I mean,

682
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: But it's one of those things were like yes, but no,

683
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: so the government are just like no, no, no, no no.

684
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: The nationalssemblees like that wasn't happening. So Dion originally super

685
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: supporter of like the French Revolution because they're like, I

686
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 2: don't think they really understood where it was going to go.

687
00:47:53,880 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: So they again big supporter, and then you know, the

688
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: aristocracy started being gage like Louis loses the head, and

689
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 2: once Louis loses his head, Dane loses their pension. So

690
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, not really good for them, like fiscally, and

691
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: also remembering that they are also a member of the

692
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: aristocracy and they don't want to lose their head. Needless

693
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,479
Speaker 2: to say, they returned to London and at this point

694
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: there they're not exactly a spring chicken. At this point,

695
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: Dyone is pretty she's pretty old at this point, and

696
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: so she returns to London and ends up signing a

697
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: deal for like a ten volume memoir. Like this is

698
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: the thing about like back in the day, people would

699
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: pay by the volume, like it was just something you did.

700
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: You paid by the volume. You didn't pay by you know,

701
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: the page, the word. It was by the volume. And

702
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: so they're gonna get like a ten volume memoir about

703
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: their life. They're going to like work with like their

704
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: letters and correspondence, and so they start writing it. Now

705
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: they write, they don't finish it, but they do write.

706
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: And the thing about it is as well, is that

707
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: a lot of this is uh head about this gently

708
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: fictionalized one they had a reputation to uphold and two

709
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: again paid by the volume. So they start discussing their

710
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: life in a sort of twisted way. So they say

711
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: that they were when they were born that their dad

712
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 2: demanded remember Louis de Beaumont, Louis de Beaumont demanded a son,

713
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: and as such, when Dale was born, like they instead

714
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: of dressing their and girls clothing, they dress their son

715
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: their girl in boy's clothing and raise them as a boy.

716
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: Like that. That's the story that Dale is going with.

717
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. We know that Dale was assigned

718
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: male at birth because of genitalia. Like that is that

719
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: is something that we know. So the way that they

720
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: tell their life, they teach they teach it, and they

721
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: don't teach it, they share it in such a way

722
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 2: that you know, they're describing as oh, I was told

723
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: that I was a boy and I was forced to

724
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: live my life as a boy. I mean technically they

725
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: were told that. But the point is the story is,

726
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: the story goes they were born assigned female at birth,

727
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: but we're forced to dress as a boy and live

728
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: as a boy their whole life in order to like

729
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: get their dad's a state or whatever. En room and

730
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: get an education and be a man instead of I

731
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: don't know, their dad just shagging more and having more kids.

732
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: I don't know anyway, like just try for more. Like

733
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: it's that's kind of what you do, isn't it. Yeah, no, anyway,

734
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: So and that they had to have this like life

735
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: as a man until they had the option to like

736
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 2: live as a woman. And so that's the theory, that's

737
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: the story. But we know that they were signed male

738
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: at birth and that they you know, realized over time

739
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: that they were a woman and you know, put themselves

740
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: into a position that almost like ended their life, Like

741
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: it made their life a very difficult one to live

742
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: and to any point, at any point, like having the

743
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: money they did and the skills that they did, the

744
00:51:54,680 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: Chevalier Dale could have easily just switched, like if they

745
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: were not trans like if they were like a man,

746
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: they could have basically just gone back to doing that.

747
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: And like again like living in Ireland or somewhere they

748
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: weren't known and they could have started a new life,

749
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: but they chose not to do that. They chose to

750
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: continue living the lives they lay lived. Like can we

751
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: have portraits of them and the portraits of them are

752
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: in sort of the big wigs and the gowns, and

753
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: they're like they were you know, the cross, the medal

754
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: and also the Revolution ribbons, like they are doing all

755
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: this stuff. So they're right in their memoirs, but they're

756
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: not doing well financially at like at one point they

757
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: end up in a debtor's prison, like because they're just

758
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: running out of money because again they've lost their pension

759
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: which they were getting from France and no longer have.

760
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: So they're in their seventies. Who is like, oh, you're

761
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: in their seventies. Lets so let's you're write a ten

762
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: volume memoir. That's going to work out like chronologically, it's

763
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: gonna work fine. So they end up selling off their

764
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 2: like six thousand book collection. I mean, it's fair, except

765
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: they sell off their books and they're fencing until like

766
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: physically they cannot fence anymore. Like they're in their seventies

767
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: and they're fencing, and it gets to the point where

768
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: they just stop doing that because you know, there is

769
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: physically not capable anymore. And at one point she ends

770
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: up falling down the stairs and becomes like paralyzed for

771
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: about the last four years of her life. But for

772
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: the last fourteen years of life. So she'd been living

773
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 2: with Missus McColl, who was the widow of a naval officer.

774
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: So her and Missus McCall were sharing an apartment in London.

775
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: And so for the first ten years, you know, just

776
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 2: generally living together. And then for the last four years

777
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: Dion ends up bedridden because of this fall and her health.

778
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: It's not great, like they're not doing too well and

779
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: sort of they're they're suffering really like to be honest,

780
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: they're suffering their sort of in their late seventies, early eighties.

781
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: It's not an easy life in you know, London, and

782
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: so with the way their health is going, it's no

783
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: surprise that on the twenty first of May eighteen ten,

784
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: the Chevalier Dion passes away at the age of eighty

785
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: one in her apartment in London. Now Missus McColl, who

786
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: lives with her, the widow, is like, she is like,

787
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: this is her housemate. She wants to get everything ready

788
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: for her. She wants to make sure she's sorted for burial,

789
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: and so she wants to get the body ready, and

790
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 2: so she's removing the chemise and she's unbuttoning all the

791
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: stuff and she gets a shock because as she's unbuttoned it,

792
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: she's like, OMG, that's a penis. And so she goes

793
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: to get advice from her friends because as far as

794
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: she's aware, she's been living with us women for fourteen years. Now.

795
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 2: I'm thinking that no, they said paralyzed, but I'm thinking

796
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: the chevalier couldn't have been too bedridden because they didn't

797
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 2: need help peeing, so they couldn't have been too bad.

798
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: I mean they're bad, yeah, but I feel like they

799
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: managed to hide that, you know what I mean. They

800
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: weren't getting like chamber pot help, were they. No, they

801
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: couldn't have been. They couldn't have been because missus mcaule

802
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 2: would have noticed the penis by now, then, wouldn't she. Yeah,

803
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: So missus mcull goes to get invice from her friends

804
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: and they tell her to call on the professionals, and

805
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 2: so she does, and approximately ten to twelve men show

806
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 2: up to assess the body, which frankly seems to me

807
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: like too many men. So we've got a surgeon, a lawyer,

808
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: a professor of anatomy, a reporter, and apparently a bunch

809
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: of other fellows who have the appropriate expertise for gandering

810
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: at Genitalia and maybe somewhere there for fun, which I

811
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 2: hope not because that's creepy. And so one of them states,

812
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 2: like they write an official report in the corner is like, yes,

813
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: that's definitely a penis. But also the body has round

814
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: limbs and remarkably full breasts. I feel like maybe they

815
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: just gained weight in their old age. I mean yeah,

816
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: probably probably probably. Yeah, Like I've dated men who have

817
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: busts that are sometimes larger than mintain. Like it happens,

818
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: you get over it, but I mean sometimes they look

819
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: better my brains and I do, like I'm just saying,

820
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: but anyway, but they're like, definitely a dude, Definitely, I do,

821
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: definitely do that's a penis. So I'm going through that

822
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: year saying that the Chevalier de Leon or Chevalier Deal sorry,

823
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: was a trans woman, and I think we just report

824
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: how cool that person is, considering they had to transition

825
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 2: so late in life as well, like major respect for deal.

826
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. Deale is buried at the Saint

827
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: Pancras Old Church in eighteen thirteen. That means their body

828
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: was not buried for three years, and I'm like, what

829
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: were they doing with that body for three years. I

830
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: don't appreciate what they were doing. I don't actually really

831
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: want to know what they were doing because I don't

832
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: trust anybody with a corpse to be honest. But so

833
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: a story of the transgender spy for France, a member

834
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: of the King Secret the Chevalier Deal. If you liked

835
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: my retelling of this story, you feel free to write

836
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: and review of five stars. And if there's an echo,

837
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: I did my best to get it out. So we're

838
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: just gonna have to suck it up this week. Don't forget.

839
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: You can follow me on all the socials sting up

840
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: for my newsletter. It's gonna be a great time. There's

841
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: going to be updates. I I loove good things. I

842
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: need to update to like Patreon as well, like I

843
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: have them here ready to go. I just haven't uploaded

844
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: them yet, like an absolute urse. But that's that. But

845
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: of course we have a recommendation time, So for reading,

846
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: I am actually gonna suggest the Tip in the Velvet,

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Speaker 2: Tip of the Velvet by Sarah Waters. I just rebought

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Speaker 2: a copy of it again. So did I recommend that

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Speaker 2: last week? Did I? I don't care. I'm recommending it again.

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Speaker 2: For listening. I'm you know, sodast am I gonna recommend

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Speaker 2: for listening. What have I been listening to this week?

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Speaker 2: I haven't been listening to anything this week? Oh God,

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Speaker 2: what I like? You know what, Let's go for some nostalgia. Then,

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Speaker 2: I think everybody should listen to you Spin Me Around

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Speaker 2: by Dead or Alive. It's a good fun song. It is.

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Speaker 2: It really pumps you up. We should go listen to it.

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Speaker 2: And if you're not gonna listen to it, at least

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Speaker 2: watch the Paul Rudd version. It's very funny and for watching. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we all know Bridgeton's coming out this week, and I

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Speaker 2: am gonna have a Bridgerton kind of themed special episode

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Speaker 2: coming out later in the week, and I think you're

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Speaker 2: gonna like it. It's got a bisexual mess, because it's

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Speaker 2: got our favorite bisexual mess, a very particular lord, a

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Speaker 2: Lord Byron who is just the definition of bisexual panic.

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Speaker 2: I swear to God anyway with that, I shall bade

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Speaker 2: you adieu. Adieus au Revoir of Widows are my friends.

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Speaker 2: Bye Bye. M