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Speaker 2: Some people didn't know we're back today. We're back. They're like,

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Speaker 2: you're back. Yeah, it's January second, back to work and crats.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to carry the show today.

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Speaker 1: That's not true. Yeah, we're gonna have to carry that.

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Speaker 1: And it's okay. I'm here.

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Speaker 2: Tod Father hasn't eaten a morsel of real sustenance.

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Speaker 1: Sustenance in a day and a half. Day and a half,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to do three days. I'm hungry just saying it.

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Speaker 3: I've been reading on there's some good things. Just reset

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Speaker 1: And we're getting after it.

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Speaker 2: A New Year's resolution, is that way?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And no, it just came on that day and it

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Speaker 4: We're going. You know what helps when you're going through

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Speaker 4: something like that, You look freaking amaze, You look like

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Speaker 4: you're glowing, You look like you have energy. I don't

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Speaker 4: care what you feel. You look like you have. Let's

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Speaker 3: Let's get it. I appreciate that, but it's hard. It's tough, man.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how people do it, but there's a

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Speaker 2: I would say over under at a half for a

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Speaker 4: I'm setting the over under a bathroom breaks at one

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'll take the under on that. No, I think

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Speaker 2: Let's try and distract Todd then for the next Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He said.

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Speaker 2: A friend in baseball once told me it's amazing how

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Speaker 2: how close it feels on jan one, just to prove

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Speaker 2: He also posted a nice, crispy, warm spring training picture

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Speaker 1: When I looked very quickly considering where we're at here, we're.

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Speaker 2: More than halfway through the off season. Yeah, well, did

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Speaker 3: Kratzy, I would always I figured it out. But eventually,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, after in the New Year's it's like, when

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Speaker 2: You have your anniversary on like Feb fourteen, because half

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Speaker 2: You would do right after. Yeah, it's right on that

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Speaker 2: big news. I mean, of course they're going to be

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Speaker 2: I signs with the Houston Astros three years. It can

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Speaker 2: For Houston, you might have Hunter Brown, then him I

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Speaker 5: In my mind, I mean I believe.

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Speaker 4: And now for the Astros, like you sit there and

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Speaker 4: It's not a big cost at all. I get it

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Speaker 4: and we don't have any more of your contract on

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Speaker 2: Right, it's insurance in case he completely bombed or it

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Speaker 5: The athletics. Tim Britton said he would get eight years

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Speaker 5: Well, you got to remember that he's represented by Scott Boris.

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Speaker 4: Will there be a push because of those innings? That

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Speaker 4: Wait, I gotta go back to something you said, six

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Speaker 4: Will he agree to a six man rotation? Because that

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Speaker 3: First off, he's coming to the team, and second off,

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about next moves for the Astros after this.

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Speaker 5: I don't know where the at bats come for Estoc

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Speaker 5: Paratus and Christian Walker of the everyday variety, with the

437
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Speaker 5: DH being clogged up with Alvarez, Like, I just don't

438
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Speaker 5: know how you get both of those guys every day

439
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Speaker 5: at batch. You know, Christian Walker, he sat out a

440
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Speaker 5: pivotal game in September last year. Joe Spott has said

441
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Speaker 5: it was due to matchups. He was scuffling at that point,

442
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Speaker 5: and I talked to Christian Walker that day and he said,

443
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Speaker 5: I'm an everyday player. He said, I want to play

444
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Speaker 5: every day. He understood why the move was made, but

445
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Speaker 5: made no bones about it. He wants to be an

446
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Speaker 5: every day player.

447
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Speaker 1: He saw.

448
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Speaker 5: Paratus is currently an arbitration. He's going to be an

449
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 5: arbitration next year. How do you get paid in arbitration?

450
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Speaker 5: You get paid by accumulating stats, accumulating games played things

451
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Speaker 5: like that. They may look, they could go to spring

452
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Speaker 5: training with this glut of infielders, and I'm sure they

453
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Speaker 5: could make it work. I'm sure they could set up

454
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Speaker 5: a schedule to where all these guys get, you know,

455
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Speaker 5: enough at bats to feel good, and we're all fine

456
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Speaker 5: and dandy, but Kratch, you've been in a big league clubhouse,

457
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Speaker 5: same thing with Todd Like it's I don't think it's

458
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Speaker 5: going to sit well with these veteran guys being told like, hey,

459
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Speaker 5: you're not an everyday player anymore. And they may say

460
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Speaker 5: everything right publicly. You know, we did this song and

461
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Speaker 5: dance when the Astros acquire Josh Hater to when they

462
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Speaker 5: signed him two years ago, Ryan Presley everything publicly, he

463
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Speaker 5: was on board. You know, he did nothing in the

464
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Speaker 5: clubhouse to create acrimony, but they traded him a year later,

465
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Speaker 5: in part because his relationship but the organization had deteriorated,

466
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Speaker 5: in part because they signed Josh Hater. Now, you know

467
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Speaker 5: they as far as the payroll goes, they are about

468
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Speaker 5: four million dollars under the luxury tax right now. They

469
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Speaker 5: need a backup catcher. I think they'd like another left

470
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Speaker 5: handed hitter, and I think they'd like another reliever. You

471
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Speaker 5: can't do that without spending money, so I would imagine,

472
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Speaker 5: you know, you start to look at who makes money.

473
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Speaker 5: Essock Paradus is estimated to make about ten million dollars

474
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Speaker 5: in arbitration. Christian Walker is going to have twenty million

475
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Speaker 5: dollars salary, it's going to be really hard to move.

476
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Speaker 5: You have Hayesus Sanchez in the outfield, who's estimated to

477
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Speaker 5: make about six and a half million in arbitration. He's

478
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Speaker 5: certainly a trade candidate as well. But if the Ashers

479
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Speaker 5: want to get the most value back, if they want

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Speaker 5: to make a trade that gets them, that helps their

481
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Speaker 5: farm system, that maybe helps their major league team. I

482
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Speaker 5: think Essock Paradus is the most valuable guy on their

483
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Speaker 5: team that they could trade. It would help to clear

484
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Speaker 5: payroll space, and it would help it would give them

485
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Speaker 5: the most value back in return. Didn't they know all this?

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Speaker 4: Didn't they know all this last year when they traded

487
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Speaker 4: for Carlos Korea And I know they're going to say, unbelievable.

488
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Speaker 4: Any chance you get an opportunity to bring Carlos Correa back,

489
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Speaker 4: you do it, especially since the Twins are paying some

490
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Speaker 4: of that contract. But didn't they know this? Like when

491
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Speaker 4: they've had your Don Alvarez this whole time and he

492
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 4: is locking up your DH spot, I get it, you've

493
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Speaker 4: been putting him in left. So who's to blame for

494
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Speaker 4: this maybe logjam that they're sitting at right now.

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Speaker 5: I think they went into the twenty two I went

496
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Speaker 5: they went into last year's trade deadline just saying, we

497
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Speaker 5: need to make the playoffs this year. We need to

498
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Speaker 5: help ourselves this year get to the playoffs. And remember,

499
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Speaker 5: at the time of the trade deadline last year, Estak

500
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Speaker 5: Paradis was thought to be done for the season. He

501
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 5: had sustained a severe hamstring strain. They needed a third base,

502
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 5: like they needed a third baseman to compete last year.

503
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Speaker 5: They went and got Carlos Korea again, a situation where

504
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Speaker 5: it kind of fell into their lap. Of the Twins

505
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 5: just completely fire sailing and being willing to eat some

506
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 5: of that contract. It fell into their lap, and Dana

507
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Speaker 5: Brown and Joe Spot have both said that they needed

508
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Speaker 5: some leadership that obviously Carlos Korey is going to provide that,

509
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 5: but Cratsy thing new like they knew they were getting

510
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 5: questions about that, like the day after the trade deadline

511
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Speaker 5: last year, and it was all just, oh, we'll cross

512
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Speaker 5: that bridge when we come to it. Well, you know,

513
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Speaker 5: we're worried about this team, this year's team, and it

514
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 5: was easy then. It was easy to kick the can

515
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Speaker 5: down the road and just say we'll address this when

516
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Speaker 5: we have to. Well, now they're here, and it's going

517
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 5: to be a difficult one to address because Estoc Paradus

518
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 5: is it's better for the twenty twenty six asters of

519
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Speaker 5: Estoc Paratus is on the team. The pole power, the patience,

520
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 5: being able to work at bat's work, played appearances, the

521
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 5: sort of offensive profile they don't have in their lineup,

522
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Speaker 5: like he is the best fit to say on the team.

523
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Speaker 5: But I just don't know if they're going to be

524
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Speaker 5: able to move Christian Walker. He's got a limited no

525
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Speaker 5: trade clause that allow in the block of trade to

526
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Speaker 5: six teams. He's got a twenty million dollar salary that

527
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Speaker 5: I can't envision any team is going to take on

528
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Speaker 5: in its entirety, so I'll have to eat some of it.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be far more cumbersome to move Walker.

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Speaker 5: Could they do it? Sure? Maybe there's a team that

531
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Speaker 5: you know, when we get to the end of January

532
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Speaker 5: that has missed out on some of its free agent targets,

533
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Speaker 5: has missed out on some of the offensive free agents

534
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Speaker 5: out there, and say we need a right handed power hitter.

535
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Speaker 5: Christian Walker still did hit twenty seven homers last season.

536
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Speaker 5: He's not you know. I know it may have been

537
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 5: tongue in cheek cratzy, but I don't think this is

538
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Speaker 5: a Jose Brady situation. I mean, Walker still hit twenty

539
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Speaker 5: seven homers last year. He had a seven ninety nine

540
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Speaker 5: ohps after the All Star Break. Like, I don't think

541
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Speaker 5: this is a situation where he has just completely lost

542
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Speaker 5: it and it's irredeemable. Like he's got value at that price.

543
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Speaker 5: You know, I don't know if any team's going to

544
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Speaker 5: take him on at that price. He's on in his contract,

545
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Speaker 5: but he's got enough value to where he could move.

546
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Speaker 5: But it may come later in the off season, maybe

547
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 5: after a team has done and settled, they've missed out

548
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 5: on some targets and they're like, hey, like we need it,

549
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 5: we need another bat in of our lineup. Then maybe

550
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Speaker 5: they pivots Christian Walker.

551
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Speaker 1: Yep, good call.

552
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: So maybe that curse that Kratz is talking about gets

553
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Speaker 2: a raised here. And I agree, Yeah, it's not like

554
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: it was a bad year this past season. It's just

555
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: the irony of them already shopping the first baseman that

556
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: they signed to a long term contract. And I agree,

557
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: paratus is built for Houston. So I hope that he

558
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: gets to do one more season there. I'm sure he

559
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: feels the same way because he's entering his free agent year.

560
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Speaker 2: But anyway, Chandler, great catching up, appreciate it, great hustle.

561
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Speaker 2: The last couple of days Krush City Territory episode out

562
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Speaker 2: there now for much more detail on this signing. There

563
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: it is. It's Chandler, it's Tyler, it's Josh Reddick, it's

564
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: part of THENE network. And Chandler's got multiple articles out

565
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: there in the Athletic on am I and what's next

566
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Speaker 2: for Houston. Thanks Chandler.

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Speaker 5: Happy New Year, Bud, Thanks guys, Happy new Year.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Hot corner signings that happened since we've been gone from

570
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Speaker 2: a live show. Tyler mally San Francisco Giants ten million

571
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: dollars in guaranteed cash over one year coming up.

572
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: He was great.

573
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Speaker 3: That'll be about three point five million guaranteed California.

574
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Speaker 2: Uh hey, he was.

575
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Speaker 1: He was really good.

576
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: In about half a Season's where it starts. Miley hasn't

577
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: been able to stay on the field consistently. He had

578
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: TJ two at one point, but he had sixteen starts

579
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: this past season at two one, eight ERA and eighty

580
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: six and two thirds innings, low strikeout numbers though sixty

581
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Speaker 2: six punches in eighty six and two thirds.

582
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Speaker 3: Imagine getting signed there like say, like my last year,

583
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Speaker 3: they signed me for three million, I'm like, can I

584
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Speaker 3: get two point nine nine nine to third?

585
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: So I don't have to.

586
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: Say, well, that's what guys do nowadays, at least some

587
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: of them do. They say, hey, can I get at

588
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: the third? Back to when I'm in Florida or Texas

589
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: whatever it is. So this pair with I don't think

590
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: we really got to this at one point when it happened,

591
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: because it was maybe a few days before our final

592
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: show of twenty twenty five. Adrian Houser also signed with

593
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: the Giants. The temperament from Giants fans on social media

594
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: is not good right now, Kratz. They're pissed. They think

595
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: that these are little uh spots and dots moves. Two

596
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: years twenty two mil for Hawser, one year ten mil

597
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: for Tyler Molly. That's not little money like Howser and Molly.

598
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: You're getting twenty two million bucks, you know. That's that's

599
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: like what AMAI is getting this coming season for Houston.

600
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Speaker 2: So would you rather have a may or Hawser and

601
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: Molly I'll take a mind.

602
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean everyone will take you may but

603
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: I think they already have their Emaid. If they think

604
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 4: he mine is going to be, you know what, they're

605
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 4: paying him to be. The Astros and another reization believes

606
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: that they already have Logan Webb, they already have Robbie Rain.

607
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: Those are the guys that have to carry the tour

608
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 4: for this team, and I think you kind of that

609
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: is a place where I think the Giants can get

610
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: a lot of value. We need guys that throw strikes,

611
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: guys that are in the zone and let people make contact.

612
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: Because it's a large park. You're not gonna get hurt

613
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: by that long fly ball. You're not gonna get hurt

614
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: by the fact that a ball on the ground is

615
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: going to get through. Because their defense, they built their

616
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 4: team for defense. I know they got Willia Doomas, but

617
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 4: he came in, you know more for the offense. They

618
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: got defense up at in center behind a dish one

619
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Speaker 4: of the best, Matt Chapman. So I don't hate this

620
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Speaker 4: for the Giants. Because of how Oracle Park plays and

621
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Speaker 4: because of how they've built their team, I think they'll

622
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Speaker 4: find more value in these signings than maybe some other teams.

623
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Speaker 3: Would have Zach Eflin known fact, well it is known

624
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Speaker 3: because I was it. My thousand ten was off Zach Eflin.

625
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Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, Oh well, he's just transitioning us right

626
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Speaker 2: into the next starter signing.

627
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: That excuse me, shall we? I thought we were talking

628
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: about them already.

629
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Speaker 2: No, you're confusing your housers with your Efflin.

630
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: That's what.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're getting a little pile on me.

632
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: You grit a little peal on me.

633
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: I need Crats here to give them a little smack.

634
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: But okay, crats I I'm doing. Yeah, I'm not criticizing

635
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: that the Giants moves as much as you know, fans

636
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: expecting more of a heavy hitter signing. But they're they're

637
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: signing around the margins and that's actually what was written

638
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: about them at the start of the off season. Don't

639
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: expect the Giants to lay the hammer down. They're going

640
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: to do more of these depth deals. So okay, excuse me,

641
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: but now let's get to mister one thousand.

642
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: Zach Efflin.

643
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: A one year deal with the Baltimore Orioles, and the

644
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: Orioles continue to strike. They're pissed. A year ago Todd

645
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: father said, you're not making the playoffs.

646
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Speaker 1: Guys.

647
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: We didn't like your off season, and neither did anybody

648
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: who we thought they were exactly this time around one year,

649
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: ten million bucks, four million with bonuses tied to start

650
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: so he could make himself up to fourteen million bucks

651
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: to be part of an Oriole's rotation that needed a facelift,

652
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: and they're getting it right now. Suddenly you've got Shane

653
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: Boss zach Eflin. Trevor Rodgers was brilliant for the Orioles.

654
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: Hopefully he can continue that for them. What's his face?

655
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: Just came back towards the end of the year. As

656
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 2: I'm pulling up, Bradish just came back towards the end

657
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: of the year. Now we're talking, or are we?

658
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: Guys? Are we talking now?

659
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: Are we feeling a lot better about the rotation heading

660
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Speaker 2: into this season?

661
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? I feel good about it for sure.

662
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: They're making these moves to win, and I think this

663
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: is a good one here. He's still a really good picture.

664
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Speaker 3: He knows how to throw well. I didn't know he

665
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Speaker 3: was thirty one. I thought he was older than that.

666
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: Is he only thirty one zach.

667
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Eflyn or thirty two? Maybe excuse me. Yeah, he's thirty.

668
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: Two season. I mean yeah, still doing it. Stay healthy,

669
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: get out there. Yeah, show him what you really are, Bro,

670
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: You're a really good pitcher. He's got a nasty breaking pitch,

671
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: his fastball's got some movement to it, and he's a

672
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: tall stature. Another good pickup for Baltimore, another check mark.

673
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Speaker 1: I love it.

674
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: But for me and I know where Kratz is probably

675
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: going one more, poor Fovar one more. It could be

676
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: like our prior segment, a Ranger Suarez. It could be

677
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: a friend Rivaldees, it could be one of the mid

678
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: tier guys. There's actually a number of mid tier guys

679
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: still available on the market. Of course, if you're an

680
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: Orioles fan, you want one of the big boys that's left.

681
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: But there are quite a few starters in that mid

682
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: tier range. Nick Martinez, Lucas Giolito, Chris Bassett, Zach Lateel,

683
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: the zackly Tel sign.

684
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: Yet I'm not one hundred percent on that.

685
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: Anyway, there's quite a few left that I think would

686
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: make Oriols fans feel a little bit better from the

687
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: depth department, Because if you're one of those fans that said, hey,

688
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: last year was a mess because injuries. Okay, well then

689
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: that's something that occurs all the time in the pitching department,

690
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: So you better stack up this year. And I think

691
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: that's part of what they're doing here, Crafts. If they

692
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: can get one more starter, I think they're in the

693
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: playoff mix.

694
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: Or I think this is really setting up for them

695
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 4: to get Ranger Suarez. I get I guess I'm you know,

696
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 4: really pushing that forward. But what have we always said

697
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: about Ranger Suarez? You know, one hundred and thirty, one

698
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 4: hundred and forty innings. He's gonna spend a little bit

699
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 4: of time on the il, and then he's gonna ball

700
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: out in the playoffs. That's what he's done in his career,

701
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 4: and that's what you're paying for in free agency. So

702
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 4: what the Orioles think that's worth. You know, it's worth.

703
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 4: Let's get some other guys around them. Let's get some

704
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: other guys to If he can only make twenty five

705
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: of his starts, how can we subsidize those other seven starts?

706
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: The issue if you don't get a Ranger Suarez, and

707
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 4: you do and I love a Nick Martinez, I would

708
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: like that signing too, because I think he goes out

709
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: there and gives you that Swiss army knife kind of pitcher.

710
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 4: The issue is your on a guy like Bradish to

711
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 4: say you have to make your thirty two starts, you

712
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: have to be the guy you were before you got hurt.

713
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: That's tough and I think that can put too much

714
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: pressure on a guy to fight through the issues that

715
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 4: some pitchers have coming back from Tommy John surgery. I

716
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 4: know he came back at the end of the year

717
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 4: and he pitched really, really well. I just would like

718
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 4: a little softer landing with a guy in the rotation

719
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 4: like a Ranger Swarz. I think it vaults the Orioles

720
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: to a new level if you have a Ranger Suarez,

721
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: Trevor Rodgers, and a Kyle Bradish. Because of then those

722
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 4: other pieces Shane Boz, you have e Flynn, and then

723
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 4: you're able to mix in Tyler Rose, You're able to

724
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 4: mix in just other guys and you have more of

725
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 4: like a seven man rotation that looks really clear going

726
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 4: into the playoffs because one of those top three guys Falter.

727
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 4: Now one of those other three guys steps up and

728
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: is that guy coming into playoff time, and Zach Eflin

729
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 4: he doesn't need, in my opinion, isn't need to apologize

730
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 4: for what he did with the Orioles. If you look

731
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 4: back when he got traded over the nine starts he

732
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 4: made in twenty four, he was lights out. So there's

733
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 4: clearly a track record of them liking him and him

734
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 4: liking Baltimore. And to me, I think they're gonna get

735
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 4: closer to the twenty twenty four guy they traded for

736
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 4: than what happened in twenty five.

737
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: And Lettel, by the way, is still a free agent

738
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: for all of you Lttell super fans out there, but yeah,

739
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: one more, one more for Baltimore. But giving them a

740
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: ton of credit, they've been maybe the most aggressive team

741
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: so far this offseason. They had a lot of bullpen

742
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: to remake and they've been working on that as well,

743
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: which moves us right to a team that has solely

744
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: focused on remaking their bullpen. Since most of their guys

745
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: from this past season were free agents, the Chicago Cubs

746
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: snuck in with a Hunter Harvey contract. Harvey's always a

747
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: big stuff guy. I just can't stay consistently on the field.

748
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 2: Cubs sign him up to a one year deal. They've

749
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: done a lot with their bullpen, one year six million

750
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 2: bucks by the way for Hunter Harvey. But I say

751
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: all that with the caveat that the Cubs are playing

752
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 2: in the kiddie pool for the most part this year,

753
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: to use an aj Bruzinski term, they have not only

754
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: not landed a big boy, but it doesn't seem like

755
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: they're in on any of the big points. So, like,

756
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: we have a resident Cub super fan in the chat,

757
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: Mike g who's just been on fire today, and he

758
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: said one of his comments. I copied it down so

759
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: I could read it to you for this segment. He said,

760
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: Cubs now quote in on Bashett, cubs in on Bregmant,

761
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: cubs in on Okamoto, cubs in on Suarez, cubs in

762
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: on trademarket for starters, cubs in on eg McMuffin before

763
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: seeing the shocking price. His point is they are sticking

764
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: so hardcore to their model, like, hey, this is what

765
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: we have you valued at. If you want this number,

766
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: we'll give it to you otherwise, And that's just not

767
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: how you win free agents over So, for example, if

768
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: they really wanted to Mie, they easily could have gone

769
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: the distance to bring them in, right if it took

770
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: three or seventy five mil or whatever it is. But

771
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: in the meantime, I'll give them credit for their reliever

772
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: signings and a big fat incomplete on their report card

773
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty six campaign. I mean Game five

774
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: against the Brewers, it was a bullpen game starter, their

775
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 2: season on the line.

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Speaker 1: Come on, guys, figure it out. Yeah, bullpen.

777
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 2: Though I like Palencia, he was great for them, emerged

778
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: last year. Philm Aiton was signed this offseason. Hunter Harvey,

779
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: Caleb Theobar, Holby Milner like cool. We think Porter Porter

780
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: Hodge has big potential. I'm fine, We're good there right Krats,

781
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: But starting rotation wise, do we feel like the group

782
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: they have right now is going to get them to

783
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: October and then in big games in October? I mean

784
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: they'll probably lose one or two via injury and there's

785
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: not a lot of depth there. Steele will come back

786
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: hopefully late this season, got Boyd Hopefully Kate Horton puts

787
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 2: together a really strong sophomore campaign. Injuries got him towards

788
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: the end of last year. See what in a MONOGAA

789
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: looks like? Is it the first or second year in Monaga?

790
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 2: Tie On's more of a back end guy. Colin Ray

791
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: I'd prefer as more of a swingman spots start kind

792
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: of situation at this point.

793
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: But your thoughts, I.

794
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 4: Mean you posed two questions there, and the one was

795
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: does this start in rotation get them to October? Yes? Yeah,

796
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 4: I think it does. I think it showed that does

797
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 4: they have their position player core intact? Oh wait, besides

798
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 4: Kyle Tucker, they still need that guy. I think they

799
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 4: made the right decision last year in Matt Shall. Matt

800
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 4: Shall's value to the team was almost equal to the

801
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 4: same war as what Alex Bregman brought to the Red Sox.

802
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, they made the right decision. But they can't

803
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: go it to me. They can't go into this end

804
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: of this offseason the beginning of the season saying, well,

805
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: you know what, we made that right decision and now

806
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 4: we're going to do the same thing. We're going to

807
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 4: kind of stay status quo because they didn't stay status

808
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 4: quo last year and they got a Kyle Tucker who

809
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 4: is the Cubs Kyle Tucker. Whether you can say he

810
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 4: faded down the stretch, you know he wasn't worth it

811
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: as a Cubs fan, that's fine. You watched him every day.

812
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 4: I'll let you be to your own opinions, but the

813
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 4: dude produced for a majority of the season and you

814
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 4: need to replace that. You need to replace that if

815
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 4: it's not in the starting pitching. If you're not going

816
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: to sit there and say, well, we'll see it bounce

817
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: back from Tyrone and Steele will be our number one

818
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 4: starter even though he's coming back from Tommy John surgery.

819
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 4: When we'll make it to the playoffs, you still need

820
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 4: somebody in a position, player or to say I'm the man,

821
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: And right now, I don't see that with the Cubs lineup.

822
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: I don't see that with the rotation. And yeah, I'm

823
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: not scared there. So I think Cubs fans are pretty

824
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: pissed right now. One more in the division. The Reds

825
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: added JJ Bleda and Dane Myers. Okay, the real spark

826
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: is I mean, no offense to the guys, but they

827
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: you know, they haven't I don't think they're going to be.

828
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: They shouldn't be starting outfielders. And if they want to,

829
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: you know, have them platooning or whatever. Right now. I

830
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: mean that's I think the real goal for the Reds

831
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: is they've been chatting with the White Sox for like

832
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Speaker 2: a year and a half. Now about Luis Robert and

833
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: either the Reds or the Mets are going to get

834
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Speaker 2: him at some point. Is the trade going to happen

835
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Speaker 2: this offseason? If it's Cincinnati, they're probably gonna eat make

836
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: the White Sox eat more of the contract. So we'll

837
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: see what happens. But if you're a Reds fan, you're

838
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: probably like, Hey, remember how promising we were this past

839
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: season and then we made the playoffs and then you

840
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: guys made a bid for Kyle Schwarber. Are you gonna

841
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: do anything else because you didn't get Schworber. So if

842
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: I'm a Reds fan, I'd be like, let's go. We'll

843
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: tell him at Reds Fest. Hey, I like the I

844
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: like the change of scenery for Luis Robert. Someone's gonna

845
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: do it and give that a shot.

846
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: Yep.

847
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, those were just little moves that we didn't

848
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: get to. I think we got to everything that we

849
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: missed in the past week and a half.