1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Pallace intrigue in Washington, d C. We'll talk about that, 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: some foreign policy talk, the latest and worst on Gretchen Whitmer, 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: all that coming up. I'm right, all right, Before we 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: get to the endless drama, very interesting drama taking place 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: in Washington, DC and in our nation, we have to 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: do something awful, but something that's important, honoring. 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: The fallen, fallen who die in training. 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: As you well know if you watch this show, we 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: do this every single time we get somebody who dies 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: in military training. This is something that happens a lot. 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: Being in the military is a dangerous job. It could 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: be a very dangerous job. It takes lives even when 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: there's no war going on. And one Sergeant Hoey, staff 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: sergeant I'm sorry, Air Force staff Sergeant Hoorgey Delgado traveling 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: to work and a humbye five injured. But Orgey del Gatto, 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: thirty seven years old, lost his life, gave his life 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: for this country. And of course Independence Day is upon us. 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: So let's you know, look, we don't have to spend 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: Independence Day crying and weeping by any means, but let's 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: do take a moment. 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 2: Whatever you're doing. Fireworks, hot dogs, I hope. 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: You're doing all those things, take a moment and remember 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: people like Porgey del Gatto and all the others who've 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: given their lives for this country. 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: It is well, what's that old saying? 26 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: That's gotten cheesy now, but it's very very true. Freedom 27 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: isn't free. It's not free. People paid for that freedom 28 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: with blood. 29 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: Remember that. All right, All right, now, let's let's. 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: Talk about something I guess we're calling on this show, 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: House of the Donkey. It's the Game of Thrones reference 32 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: to the House of the Dragon whatever, House of the Donkey, 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: because it's Democrats that are freaking screwing everything up. 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: Now it's getting interesting. 35 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: When I say interesting, I'm not doing my normal. 36 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: They're gonna get rid of Joe Biden thing. 37 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we might have a new nominee for president, 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: or at least Joe Biden won't be the nominee for 39 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: president in twenty four hours forty eight hours by the 40 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: time we get back from Independence daybreak, that's Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 41 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: we might very well have a new nominee. That's what's 42 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: happening here. So let's let's give you the latest and 43 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: worst on all this. According to The New York Times. 44 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: Now I realize that's saying a lot. 45 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: You know, The New York Times is about as evil 46 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: and dishonest a media organization is humanly possible. 47 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: The New York Times. 48 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: They're saying, Joe Biden is well weighing whether or not 49 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: he's going to continue. And here's the thing. You ever 50 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: hear this about normal people. Maybe you're going through this, 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: maybe you've gone through this, but I bet you've heard 52 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: it before. As soon as you start thinking about retiring. 53 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 2: You're retiring. It's inevitable. 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: As soon as the thought starts going into your mind, 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, maybe I should hang it up, Maybe I'm 56 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: all done here. Then the clock is already ticking. Being 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: president is brutally stressful. Being president while running for president 58 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: is twice as stressful. Doing all this with dementia is 59 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: virtually impossible. If he's really, if this story is true, 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: and he's really now weighing it, no more digging his 61 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: feet in. We're going forward, and now he's weighing it, 62 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: he's probably out. Now that brings us to some very 63 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: very interesting things that are happening around here. What's one 64 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: of the major things. One of the major things is 65 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden. Now, this made a bunch of waves yesterday. 66 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: You've heard a lot of this for the last twenty 67 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: four hours. But after the debate, Joe Biden gathered with 68 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: family and allegedly don't know, Allegedly they were discussing whether 69 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: or not his campaign should move forward. We've heard enough 70 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: rumors that we could probably safely assume they did discuss it. 71 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: Family got together, Hunter, Joe, Jill, they all got together 72 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: discussing things. Hunter after that meeting has been attached to 73 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's side, right by his side, like a barnacle 74 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: on a boat. Now, people have been yelling and screaming, 75 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: how we got the crackhead in the White House? Now 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: we have a convicted felon in the White House. 77 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: Now, allow me to explain. 78 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: Obviously those are valid concerns, very very valid concerns, but 79 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: why is Hunter Biden there? 80 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: The Bidens over the last well. 81 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: Since the debate ended, well actually since about five minutes 82 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: after the debate started, the Bidens have been losing friends. Now, 83 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: none of those people were actually friends, but allies, supporters. 84 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: We love Joe, Go Joe. 85 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: They've just been falling off like you can't imagine. Since 86 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: about five minutes after the debate started, when the Biden 87 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: family gathered to discuss whether or not he was going 88 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: to move forward, Joe was looked and left, and he 89 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: was looking right, and there weren't that many people there 90 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,119 Speaker 1: around him. Hunter Biden, not only his son, a long 91 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: time business associate, was one of those people when you're 92 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: running out of friends, you tend to turtle up and 93 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: gather around you the few people in your life you 94 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: feel you can trust. 95 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: If you want to know. 96 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: Why Hunter Biden is there, it's because Joe Biden has 97 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: lost more friends in the last twenty four forty eight 98 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: seventy two hours than a lottery winner who goes bankrupt. 99 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: He's just running out of people who have his back. 100 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: And now the backbiting, the whispers, the snipping is starting 101 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: to leak out. 102 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: Of the White House. 103 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: We know White House staffers are starting to tell the 104 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: media that they're scared. I can't use that word on 105 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: our family show here, but they're scared a lot day 106 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: to day of Joe Biden. Now what's the deal here, Well, 107 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: for one, I'm sure they are scared of Joe Biden. 108 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden has been sold to the American people as 109 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: the nice old man. 110 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: Now why was that. 111 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: Well, they were trying to the media and Joe Biden. 112 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: They were trying to build the anti Trump, you know 113 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: Trump with his more rough, blunt, in your face style. 114 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: They wanted to make Biden the anti Trump. Hey, guys, something, 115 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: your guys, that look how nice he is? What a 116 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: good man? A good man? They kept telling you that. 117 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: But that's not Joe Biden. He may be old, feeble, 118 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: his brain may have melted into the pavement, but he's 119 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: done a good man and certainly not a nice man. 120 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: Never has been that. He's never, ever, ever had that reputation. 121 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: From his earliest days in Washington, DC, Joe Biden has 122 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: been known in political circle as being a great a jerk. 123 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: And he's been a jerk. 124 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: It's not like he's been a jerk behind closed doors 125 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: on camera for the majority of his political career. And 126 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: I don't just mean to Republicans, right, Okay, you're having 127 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: a debate with Republicans. 128 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: Has owned staffers, reporters, Joe. 129 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Biden belittle's people, talks down the people. Joe Biden's been 130 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: a jerk forever. Well, here's the terrible thing about dementia. 131 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: Whatever the case, whatever he has Alzheimer's whatever it is is, 132 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: you start to lose pieces of yourself and it's an 133 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: awful thing. I hope you never have to go through it. 134 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: I've seen it in my own life. It's awful. And 135 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: eventually you're left with just kind of the bare bones 136 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: of what you are. You've lost so much, but you're 137 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: left with the bare bones of what you are. Joe 138 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: Biden's been a jerk his whole career. Now he's an 139 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: old jerk who can't talk anymore. Of course, he's snapping 140 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: at people. That's also part of dementia. Of course, the 141 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: staffers are scared. The real story is the staffers are 142 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: starting to leak. You see all these people who work 143 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: in the White House, they're all ambitious political people. All 144 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,119 Speaker 1: of them view the White House job as a meal 145 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: ticket to something better. Maybe you're going to go at 146 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: a higher ranking position in this senator's office. Maybe you're 147 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: going to go work for CNN, the DNC, who knows, 148 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: But the White House is a nice thing to have 149 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: on the resume. 150 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: And right now. 151 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 1: They're all looking at Joe Biden's pull numbers. They're freaking out. 152 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: And now the whispering and the backbiting begins, and that 153 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: brings us to the meeting that happened today in the 154 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: White House, a governor's meeting. Powerful governors New York, California. 155 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: But we'll get back to California in a moment. Before 156 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: we get to Gavin Newsom and all the other governors 157 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: that are meeting in the White House. You need to 158 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: know something about politics, something you probably already know would 159 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: allow me to explain. A governor is a very powerful thing, 160 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: I know, but it's a very very powerful thing. And 161 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: the governor's coalitions on the Democrat side and the Republican 162 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: side are extremely powerful. The Republican Governors Association, maybe you've 163 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: heard of it, maybe you haven't been in political circles. 164 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,239 Speaker 1: It's a juggernaut political organization. When you become a Republican 165 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: governor of any state, you will become part of the 166 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: Republican Governors Association. You will raise gobs of money. They 167 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: swing a big stick. Governors swing a big stick, and 168 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: the Democrats have a mirror of that to have the 169 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: governors of several states. I just named the two most powerful, 170 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: New York and California, but there are. 171 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: So many there in Minnesota. 172 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: Others to have the governors gather in the White House 173 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: is a really, really, really big deal. And we know 174 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: now from reports what they're gathering to discuss. Joe Biden 175 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: has to sell them. This isn't a bunch of governors 176 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: showing up in the White House doing what did Gavenusom 177 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: say today that he was just showing to support Joe? No, no, no, no, 178 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: that's not what's happening here. The governors aren't showing up 179 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: at the White House hat in hand, Joe, will you 180 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: love me? Governors are going to sit down in front 181 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: of President Joe Biden sat down in front of President 182 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. We weren't in there, so we don't know, 183 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: but Joe had to sell himself. Hey Joe, how are 184 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: you going to win? What's the plan? Hey Joe, did 185 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: you see the poll numbers? Hey Joe, what's the plan. 186 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: And I would love to have been there for that 187 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: conversation between him and Gavin Newson. Member Joe Jone's already 188 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: called Gavin the next guy. 189 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: I want to talk about Governor Newson. I want to 190 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: thank him. He's been one hell of a governor. 191 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 4: Man. 192 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 3: Matter of fact, he get dreaded that you want to 193 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 3: get out of the job. I'm looking for. 194 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: Oh he's looking for it too, Joe. And that brings 195 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: us to the elephant in the room, Dome. You see, 196 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: it's one thing to get rid of Joe. They would 197 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: have got rid of Joe five minutes after the debate 198 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: if it wasn't for Dome. Vice President Kamala Harris is 199 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: the problem for Democrats right now. 200 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: It's actually not Joe Biden. 201 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: If she wasn't there, they could dump that old fool, 202 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: get him to hand the nomination to Newsom or somebody 203 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: and move on about their day. How do you get 204 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: over Dome? How do you get around Dome? She's the 205 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: vice president. Vice president's the heir apparent. How do they 206 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: handle this? And look, Dome has her own surrogates in 207 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: the media, James Clyburn being a very powerful one out 208 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: there talking about it. 209 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 4: This spoty should not in any way do anything to 210 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 4: work around miss Harris. We shaid do everything we can 211 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 4: to bolster her, whether it's he a second place or 212 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: at the top of the ticket. 213 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: I'm gonna explain something to you, and this is a 214 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: little in and then we're gonna wrap this up. We 215 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: have too many guests, too much to talk to James Clyburn. 216 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: Maybe somebody you don't even know. He's a congressman from 217 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: South Carolina. Who's gonna know that James Clyburn is a 218 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: majorly powerful political figure in the Democrat Party because James 219 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: Clyburn is hugely in control of the black vote in 220 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: South Carolina. And if you want to be the Democrat 221 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: nominee for president, you really, really, really, really really need 222 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: the black vote in South Carolina. 223 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: It's why Joe Biden won the nomination. 224 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: Last time he and James Clyburn hooked up, James Clyburn 225 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: decided to back Joe. 226 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: Joe wins South Carolina. 227 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Lottie Da, He's the nominee and then he's president. I 228 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: don't know how they're going to get around Dome. If 229 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: Joe Biden does drop out, and he very well may, 230 00:12:54,559 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: and I mean zoon, we might have Comala Harris as 231 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,479 Speaker 1: the Democrat nominee. 232 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I can't. 233 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: All that may have made you uncomfortable that I am right. 234 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: We have so much to update you on. My goodness, 235 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: we have a stack show for you tonight. Before we 236 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: get to any of that, I want to get to this. 237 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: I'm going to get to dream powder. Almost sounds illegal, 238 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: doesn't it. No, I swear it's not only legal, it's 239 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: all natural. Beam sells it. It's dream powder. I actually 240 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: had a wonderful cup last night. It's hot chocolate essentially, 241 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: but it's for sleep. Melowtonein couple things in it, and 242 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: you just drift off to sleep and you have the 243 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: most deep, RESTful sleep. But the best part is not 244 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: that you can take a lot of things that'll help 245 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: you sleep. The best part is when you wake up, 246 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: you feel so good, refreshed, not like you're half dead, 247 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: still refreshed. You want a cup of hot chocolate that 248 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: makes you sleep like that. Shopbeam dot com slash Jesse 249 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: Kelly twenty percent off is what that gives you. 250 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: We'll be back. 251 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 5: I want to say something. Somebody today said that Michigan 252 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 5: was gone. Michigan's not gone. We know how to win 253 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 5: this state. We're going to win the state, and the 254 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 5: campaign needs to listen to people like Governor Whitmer and 255 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 5: me and my other colleagues who know how to win 256 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 5: this state. 257 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: I am curious what the answers would be. How does 258 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: one go about winning Michigan. I bet you Christina has 259 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: some theories on that joining me now, independent journalists, she 260 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: did something you really need to go see, kidnap and 261 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: kills about the FBI. Christina Ursu Christina, Okay, how does 262 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: one win Michigan? I'm very curious your thoughts on this. 263 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 6: Well, I think that they engage in a voter fraud. 264 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 6: I'm not quite sure, you know. I know that there 265 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 6: are a bunch of voters suing the Secretary of State 266 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 6: right now, Joscelyn Benson, Dana Nassel, and Gretchen Whitmer over 267 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 6: changes to the election law in Michigan because they're alleging 268 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 6: that these changes proposal too cannot guarantee a fair election 269 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 6: in Michigan. 270 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: Okay, can you explain just briefly, Gretchen Whitmer. We know 271 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: at least kind of, but most people don't know. Joscelyn Benson. 272 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: Who is this young lady. 273 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, she's the Secretary of State. She's part of the 274 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 6: trifecta there in Michigan. You've got Gretchen Whitmer the governor, 275 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 6: you have Joscelyn Benson, the Secretary of State, and then 276 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 6: you have Dana Nassel, the attorney general. So you have 277 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 6: the three of them there. I call them the Michigan 278 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 6: Democrat trifecta that pretty much controlled the entire state of Michigan. 279 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 6: And this is how. 280 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: All right, I really wanted to talk to you today 281 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: about the whistleblower, in fact, the newest FBI whistleblower, because 282 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: obviously that there's been a few of them by now, 283 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: but the newest complaint alleges the FBI purging anyone to 284 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: the right of center. 285 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: What's going on here? 286 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, this is it's interesting. You know, we already had 287 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 6: a number of FBI whistleblowers come forward, the suspendables to 288 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 6: talk about how the FBI is purging anybody basically anybody 289 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 6: who dissents from the agency. And this latest whistleblower to 290 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 6: come forward is an FBI supervisor on the East Coast. 291 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 6: This is a registered Democrat, by the way, This is 292 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 6: not somebody who is by any means conservative or right leaning. 293 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 6: He's come forward to blow the whistle against other high 294 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 6: ranking officials in his division for egregious political discrimination against conservatives, 295 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 6: Trump supporters, anybody who questioned the pandemic policies of twenty 296 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 6: twenty as it relates to vaccines. 297 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so what exactly is going on? What is he alleging. 298 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 6: Specifically, So, he's alleging that high ranking officials in the 299 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 6: FBI are discriminating against other agents in the FBI when 300 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 6: it comes up for their security clearance review process. They're 301 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 6: asking them political questions. They're asking them about if they're 302 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 6: Trump supporters, they ask them their thoughts on the vaccines, 303 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 6: and then they're pulling their clearances and trying to purge 304 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 6: them from the agency if they're right leaning, if they 305 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 6: dissent from the official narrative. And so now we have 306 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 6: a registered Democrat, an FBI supervisor, coming forward to blow 307 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 6: the whistle on his colleagues. I think that's good news. 308 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 6: That gives me a little bit of hope that maybe 309 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 6: there are others, And I think he's indicated there are 310 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 6: there are other agents in the FBI who see what's 311 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 6: happening at the top levels of the FBI, how they're 312 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 6: purging people from the agency, and they don't like it, 313 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 6: they don't agree with it. And I'd like to see 314 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 6: even more agents come forward to blow the whistle on 315 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 6: what the FBI is doing. 316 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: I think, why do you think more haven't, Well, obviously, 317 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled that we have guys like Steve and Kyle 318 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: and Garrett and others. I'm thrilled. It takes a lot 319 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: of bravery. But there are what is it, thirty five 320 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: thousand employees at the FBI. I'm maybe off, but I'm 321 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: not that far off, and we have what five it's 322 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: less than ten. 323 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: Where are the rest of them? 324 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 6: Well, hopefully this emboldens some of them. I mean, it's 325 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 6: good to see a supervisor coming forward, but really, if 326 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 6: you're still working in the FBI today and you've seen 327 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 6: everything they're doing and you are silent, you're complicit. And 328 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 6: I think for a lot of these people, they just 329 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 6: want to keep their head down and collect a paycheck. 330 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 6: They want to get their government pension. They don't want 331 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 6: to stand up. Also because they've seen what happens to 332 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 6: agents who stand up. Look what they did to Steve Friend, 333 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 6: to Marcus Allen. You know, they'll suspend these people, not 334 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 6: pay them for years, but not totally fired them. They 335 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 6: retaliate against them. So I think that's a big reason why, 336 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 6: and I'd like to see the the DOJ Inspector General 337 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 6: do something about this. We need some investigation into the FBI, 338 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 6: and as it relates to Gretchen Whitmer, by the way, 339 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 6: who is now apparently campaigning potentially she sent her her 340 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 6: team to d C last month. Jill Biden has just 341 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 6: arrived in Michigan. She's visiting Grand Rapids and Traverse City. 342 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 6: She's not meeting with Whitmer at all. Gavin Newsom's in 343 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 6: Michigan today campaigning for Biden. So I think that that's 344 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 6: very interesting. But she's obviously, you know, campaigning to run. 345 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 6: And I think that we need an investigation into her 346 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 6: role as a co conspirator in a joint venture conspiracy 347 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 6: on the part of the FBI, the DJ Michigan State Police, 348 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 6: and the Michigan Attorney General's Office to deprive American citizens 349 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 6: of their rights and to frame them in a fake conspiracy. 350 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 6: And we can talk about her role in. 351 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: That if you like, please do what's her role in that? 352 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, So, Whitmer's team was kept apprized of the so 353 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 6: called investigation by the FBI, and as it was getting 354 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 6: near the election in twenty twenty, so once again the 355 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 6: FBI was looking to influence an election. Their hoax plot 356 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 6: was falling apart, so they needed to up the ante 357 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 6: and arranged two hastily constructed recons of her vacation cottage. 358 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 6: Gretchen Whitmer, with her team, her security detail in the 359 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 6: Michigan State Police and the Michigan Attorney General's Office, coordinated 360 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 6: the recon of her vacation cottage. She knew in advance. 361 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 6: She planned it before the men who were framed in 362 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 6: the hoax knew anything about it. Eric Mullitor was duped 363 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 6: into going into the daytime recon the daytime ride along 364 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 6: with the FBI driving the vehicle. He had no idea 365 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 6: where they were going before he got in the car. 366 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 6: He didn't find out until they were on the way, 367 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 6: and during the state trial for him, the FBI actually 368 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 6: got caught trying to alter timestamps and fabricate timestamps to 369 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 6: make it appear he knew where they were going before 370 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 6: they picked him up. They tried to change it and 371 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 6: put in something he said four hours later. They actually 372 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 6: got caught while they were doing it on the stand. 373 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 6: So I'd like to see an investigation into what she 374 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 6: knew when she knew it. We know that she wasn't 375 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 6: a victim in this. She made also a highly prejudicial 376 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 6: three minute long victim impact statement at these men's trial, 377 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 6: where she claimed she scans the crowds. You know she 378 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 6: was scared for her life. Well, she has a book 379 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 6: coming out next month, also perfectly timed for the election, 380 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 6: and she's doing interviews. She just recently admitted she's never 381 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 6: once feared for her life. Imagine that after giving you 382 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 6: this statement saying she was in fear for her life 383 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 6: at these men sentencing. It's disgusting, of course it is. 384 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: It really is, Christina, Thank you so much. I appreciate it. 385 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: And let's talk about talk, pure talk like what I 386 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: did there. Anyway, let's talk about your cell phone. You see, 387 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: we all, we all have one. You pay your bill 388 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: every month, don't you. You probably pay it automatically. 389 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: I bet you do. 390 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: Well, you know that Verizon's a horrible company, AT and T, 391 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: T Mobile, these companies they hate you. They campaign against you. 392 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: You pay them to campaign against your culture and your values. 393 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: Did you know that you don't have to do that? 394 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: Though you want a cell phone? How about you pay less? 395 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: I pay half of what I was paying a T Mobile. 396 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 1: How about you pay less same grade five G networks. 397 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: You're not losing coverage, and you pay a company that 398 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: actually shares and promotes your values. 399 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: That's what pure talk does. Switch to pure talk. It's easy. 400 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: It's ten minutes on the phone online, you keep your phone, 401 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: you keep your number, whatever you want, pure talk, dot com, 402 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: slash JESSETV. 403 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: We'll be back. 404 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 3: Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary 405 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: person eligible for what I've been able to do with 406 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: the UH, with the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with 407 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: everything we have to do with. Look if we finally 408 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: beat medicare. 409 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: Okay, obviously everyone saw the debate, Everyone knew what was happening. 410 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: Everyone can We can argue when we have been arguing 411 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: about what that means domestically, but foreign policy wise, the 412 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: world seems like it's a little nutty right now, seems. 413 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: Like it's kind of on fire. 414 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: How much of it has to do with who the 415 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: commander in chief is joining me now, Doctor James Robbins, 416 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: dean of academics at the Institute of World Politics. Okay, Doctor, 417 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: I guess I'm supposed to call you Jim. Sorry, it's 418 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: out of habit, Jim, America, America being strong, having a strong, 419 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: decisive leader. 420 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: How much does it matter? We're arrogant? 421 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: I realize that I'm guilty of that myself. But is 422 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: it really important or is it not that big of 423 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: a deal. 424 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 7: Well, it's really important because the deterrence is the main 425 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 7: way to keep things from bad happening in the international community, 426 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 7: and to the extent that we're strong, that deters the 427 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 7: bad guys. You know, peace through strength, that's our policy. 428 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 7: So if we have a leader who seems uncertain or 429 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 7: you know, not quite there all the time, then it 430 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 7: doesn't matter what our capabilities are. It shows our adversaries 431 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 7: that our intent, our leadership may not be able to 432 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 7: respond to whatever bad things they're going to do. 433 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: Disaster disaster has befallen US foreign policy wise, especially over 434 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: the last three years, from embarrassing little things like the 435 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: gas up here which is now no longer, to the 436 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: Afghanistan withdraw. 437 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 2: I thought we could go down the list. 438 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: Is is this them on the move because they think 439 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: they can get away with it. 440 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: Or is this just a pattern of how the world works. 441 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of both. 442 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 7: But definitely America's adversaries can look at right now as 443 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 7: an opportunity because we have a foreign policy team that 444 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 7: probably isn't as strong as once that we've had in 445 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 7: the past. We have a commander in achieve who's clearly 446 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 7: not there all the time, and so if enemies want 447 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 7: to make a move, now would be a good time 448 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 7: to do it. 449 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a very good time to do it. 450 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: Okay, let's focus on a place that's gotten a lot 451 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: of attention. 452 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 2: Ukraine. Okay, Russia invade Ukraine. 453 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: They've taken some territory, they are holdings said territory, and 454 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: now we have this horrific artillery war where men are 455 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: dying in droves. Why is this still going on? A 456 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: negotiated piece has been the whole history of the world's warfare, 457 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: and yet that somehow is beyond the pale here. 458 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 2: What am I missing? 459 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 7: Well, it's extremely difficult because obviously it's not in our 460 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 7: interests to see the Russians overwhelm the Ukrainians. It would 461 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 7: be great if Ukraine could take their territory back, but 462 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 7: we haven't given them enough aid to mount a really 463 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 7: strong offensive. So now they're just an attrition warfare situation, 464 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 7: and Ukraine cannot win an attrition war. Russia has three 465 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 7: to four times the mobilization base of Ukraine. Putin doesn't 466 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 7: care how many people die, He'll empty his prisons. He'll 467 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 7: just send people there. He doesn't really care. So the 468 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 7: Ukrainians are in a tough situation. If they could mount 469 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 7: an offensive to take back substantial amount of land, you know, 470 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 7: enough to give a good position for bargaining, that would 471 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 7: be preferable. But as it stands, is going to maintain 472 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 7: an attrition warfare situation. People dying by the thousands, no 473 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 7: territory changing hands, and they just can't win that way. 474 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: Okay. 475 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: So I saw a report out of a telegraph this 476 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: morning that Ukraine's not going to be allowed to join 477 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: NATO because they're too corrupt. I've been told repeatedly that 478 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: this is the fountain of democracy and we're fighting for freedom. 479 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: Which is it? What's going on over there? 480 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 7: Well, I mean that's you know, I can't say every 481 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 7: country in NATO is completely pristine and uncorrupt. I mean 482 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 7: we would hope, so you know, who knows. But I 483 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 7: mean the idea that that would be the reason. I mean, 484 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 7: NATO is a strategic alliance. It doesn't really matter who's 485 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 7: corrupt and who isn't. It's a question of will that 486 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 7: country help the alliance or not. NATO could expand to Ukraine. 487 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 7: It might not expand to Ukraine. Politically right now, it 488 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 7: doesn't look like that's going to happen. But it's interesting 489 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 7: that Vladimir Putin has said he went to war in 490 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 7: Ukraine in order to prevent NATO from growing. Now NATO 491 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 7: has two members that you never would have expected, Finland 492 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 7: and Sweden, and Finland alone doubles NATO's border with Russia. So, 493 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 7: at least from Putin's point of view, the strategic genius 494 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 7: in the Kremlin, he actually expanded NATO through his invasion, 495 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 7: not kept it smaller. 496 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So where does Putin go from here? Obviously no 497 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: one's rooting for Putin because he's a dirt ball. But 498 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: isn't he getting backed into a bit of a corner here. 499 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 7: In some ways? But I mean not really. He was 500 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 7: already an international pariah. The sanctions that we put on 501 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 7: Russia haven't really been effective. They're using China as a 502 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 7: backdoor to export oil and other things that they need 503 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 7: to keep their economy going. Their economy is actually growing 504 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 7: at a pace similar or greater to ours, so that 505 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 7: side of this isn't working. He's losing a lot of 506 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 7: his men of material, but he does and seem to care. 507 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 7: He just keeps ramping up the tank production and what 508 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 7: could be his next move. I think he's just going 509 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 7: to continue to try to reassemble the Russian Empire, maybe, 510 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 7: you know, get a deal with Belarus to annex them. 511 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 7: Threatened Poland, threaten the Baltic States. I mean, the man 512 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 7: will do whatever he can do for the rest of 513 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 7: his life to expand Russia. 514 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: I want to talk about Poland actually specifically for a moment. 515 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: Can he just take Poland? 516 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: I've always thought this was absolutely ridiculous. Obviously a head 517 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: to head war between Poland and Russia would end in 518 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: Russia's favor. But Poland is not just some lay down 519 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: country where he can storm in there, can he. 520 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 7: No, this isn't nineteen thirty nine. They're not going to 521 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 7: just walk in there like Stalin did. Poland has a 522 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 7: very modern, very advanced defense force. They just got rid 523 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 7: of a bunch of their surplus weapons that they sent 524 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 7: into Ukraine and then re armor with stuff from South Korea, 525 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 7: you know, and also NATO interoperable material. Poland is very strong. 526 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 7: Plus there's a US true presence there, and it is likely, 527 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 7: I mean, it is completely likely that we're Poland attacked, 528 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 7: just simply attacked by Russia, that the US would intervene. 529 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 7: I mean, it would be a NATO Chapter five thing. 530 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 7: There'd be no question that NATO would be involved in that. 531 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: Okay, Now let's focus on the other conflict. 532 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: Israel is reel there apparently, and you never know what 533 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: to believe because everyone lies about everything. But they're apparently 534 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: close to finishing off Hamas. 535 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: But that doesn't address Hezbollah in the North. Is this 536 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: thing going to. 537 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: Die when the last one in Hamas dies, where does 538 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: it go from here? 539 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 7: Well, it would be hard to stamp out all of 540 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 7: the Hamas fighters. Obviously taking out the Hamas leadership that 541 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 7: would be extremely useful. Hopefully they're closing in on them. 542 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 7: Maybe they could even do something about the Hamas leadership 543 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 7: and cut you know, just on the side. With respect 544 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 7: to Hasbala and Lebanon. That is a much tougher nut 545 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 7: to crack. But it does look like Israel is moving 546 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 7: forces into position to take care of that. So there 547 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 7: will probably be another conflict in the North coming. Frankly, 548 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 7: I thought it was going to happen this week, but 549 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 7: I mean, they're definitely ready to go, and it's just 550 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 7: a question of whether Hasbala is going to continue to 551 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 7: escalate the conflict to a point where Israel just decides that, 552 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 7: you know, it's time to take care of business. 553 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: Oh gotcha, Jim, Thank you so much. I appreciate it. 554 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about something. Let's talk about the 555 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: time share you think you're stuck in. You see, timeshare 556 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: companies are awful. I don't have a better way to 557 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: put it. Not all of them, of course, but most 558 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: of them are awful. And this is what they do. 559 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: This is what they do to everyone. So don't feel 560 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: like you're alone. They sell you on the timeshare. You 561 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: sign the contract, and you enjoy it for a while, 562 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: but then eventually. 563 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 8: You want out. 564 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: Eventually you're done with it. But that's when they drop 565 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: the bomb on you. Speaking of bombs, that's when they 566 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: tell you, oh no, no, no, no, you didn't read the contract. 567 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: And no one ever reads all the contracts. You're in 568 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: this for life. I've heard stories of mothers passing away 569 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: and the timeshare burden gets passed to the daughter. Are 570 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: you stuck in a horrible situation? You stuck in a timeshare? 571 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: You don't want. 572 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: Colone Star Transfer today eight four four three one zero, two, six, 573 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: four six. Let them get you out of your time share. 574 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: They're successful ninety nine percent of the time. We'll be back. 575 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 6: Go. 576 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: Speaking of polls, why don't we step away from politics 577 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: briefly and let's talk a little history and patriotism things 578 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,479 Speaker 1: like that. After all independence days upon US, Paul just 579 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: came out saying only forty one percent of Americans are 580 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: extremely proud to be an American. 581 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: And don't ignore that, like. 582 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: All politics everything else aside, that's a really big deal. 583 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: Patriotism is one of the essential elements of a. 584 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: Society, of any society. 585 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: If you have people who want to be there and 586 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: feel blessed to be there, society in general will prosper. 587 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: And if they don't feel like that, you're probably in 588 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: a bit of trouble. Anyway, we'll talk about that in 589 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: some sweet World War two history. 590 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: I'm about to nerd. 591 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: Out on some naval stuff with Nathan Canastero. He is 592 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: the author of the book The Mighty Moo. Why do 593 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: I keep screwing up the Mighty Moo? I keep wanting 594 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: to call it the Mighty Cowpen, but that's the. 595 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: Name of the ship anyway. 596 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: Nath didn't before we get to the ship the Navy, 597 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: that wonderful carrier that was a warrior for this country 598 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: and the great men who served on it. Patriotism what 599 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: happened in between the nineteen forties now? And I know 600 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: that's a very long, complicated answer. You don't have to 601 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,720 Speaker 1: take up two hours to give it. But I don't 602 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: like it that people don't love it here. I love 603 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: it here. 604 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 8: I mean I do too. 605 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 9: I'm sort of an old fashioned traditional patriot. You know, 606 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 9: if you ask one hundred people that question, you probably 607 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 9: get one. 608 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 8: Hundred different answers. 609 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 9: But what worries me is that politics and patriotism have 610 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 9: gotten entangled a little bit. And there's people in this 611 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 9: country sometimes have a misconception that you can't be patriotic 612 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 9: unless you're one hundred percent in approval of everything the 613 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 9: government is and is doing and who's in charge. 614 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 8: And it shouldn't be that way. 615 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 9: You know, you can honor our country and the values 616 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 9: and ideals that it stands for without necessarily being being partisan. 617 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 9: And I think it's kind of like a marriage contract 618 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 9: in that way. You're in it for the good times 619 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 9: and the bad, and honestly, when things are going worse, 620 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 9: that's probably when you need to be the most patriotic, 621 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 9: because that's when your country needs you the most. 622 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. 623 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: Okay, you know what we're done with politics. I want 624 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: to talk about some World War two history. I just 625 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: nerd out on this stuff. What in the world is 626 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: the Mighty move Most people have never even. 627 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 2: Heard of it? 628 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 9: Well, yeah, it was a light aircraft carrier. And you know, 629 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 9: when you're thinking about a World War two aircraft carrier, 630 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 9: this is not that ship. You think about the Intrepid 631 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 9: of the Lexington of New Yorktown, the big ships that 632 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 9: are in museums today. But the Kaupins was one of 633 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 9: nine light aircraft carriers that the Navy made between forty 634 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 9: two forty three. 635 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 8: Essentially, they had a gap. 636 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 9: They were losing carriers faster than they could build them, 637 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 9: and so they cranked together nine of these sort of 638 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 9: mid size ships. They put a flat top on a 639 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 9: light carrier or light cruiser in order to make them 640 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 9: work to sort of. There were a desperate stopgap measure 641 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 9: until the big carriers started arriving on the scene in 642 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 9: mid forty three, late forty late of that year. 643 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Nathan, you call them light carriers for those who 644 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: aren't naval historians, they might be confused what that means. 645 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 2: It's more than just lighter, isn't it. 646 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: What makes a light carrier versus a big boy carrier. 647 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 9: Well, they're small. These were not pretty ships. Let's be 648 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 9: honest here. They're about two thirds in the length of 649 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 9: an actual aircraft carrier. They only carried thirty three planes. 650 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 9: They had a very narrow flight deck about seventy three feet. 651 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 9: That seems like a really big space, but if you're 652 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 9: landing a plane with a forty two or or fifty 653 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 9: four foot wingspan on it, that you're really sort of 654 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 9: threading the needle. 655 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 8: Kind of a bootleg carrier, you know. 656 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 9: The hull was never intended to be an aircraft carrier 657 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 9: at all, and so they were cramped. They were dangerous, 658 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 9: they were unstable in high seas. They were kind of 659 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 9: a mess for a lot of different reasons. And the 660 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 9: only reason that the Navy wanted them at all is 661 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 9: because the big carriers kept getting sunk. I mean, if 662 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 9: you think about it, we started there with six aircraft carriers, 663 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 9: and by the end of forty two we were down 664 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 9: to two. I think a lot of Americans forget how 665 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 9: badly that first year of the war was going. I 666 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 9: can't even imagine the political firestorm in this country if 667 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 9: we went to war and lost two thirds. 668 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 8: Of our aircraft carriers in a year. 669 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 9: So it's a mark of the Navy sort of desperation 670 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 9: that they, you know, they take these very infurior ships 671 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 9: with so many problems and send them out into battle. 672 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: Tell us about the crew of these boats. Was it 673 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: the Creme de la creme? Who did they drag onto 674 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: these light carriers that tip over in the open ocean. 675 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 9: Well, you know, the Navy was going from something like 676 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 9: one hundred and thirty thousand people to several million in 677 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 9: the space of about two years. 678 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 8: There. 679 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 9: So the vast bulk of people who were assigned aboard 680 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 9: this ship were reservists. 681 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 8: These are folks that had. 682 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 9: Most of them had joined the Navy voluntarily to avoid 683 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 9: being drafted in of the army, and so none of 684 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 9: them had any c going. 685 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 8: Experience, very very few. 686 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 9: There are only a handful of men aboard the Cowpins 687 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 9: that were sort of what we might consider professional navy 688 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 9: and that they were Naval Academy grads. But these were, 689 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 9: you know, talk about patriotism. This was a sample of America, 690 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,879 Speaker 9: big cities, small towns, farm boys, factory workers, people from 691 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 9: all walks of life, all different regions, and you know, 692 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 9: and they'd sort of thrown into this war together. 693 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 8: You just talked about. 694 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 9: Even the pilots, the Cowpins' greatest fighter, Ace was a 695 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 9: former insurance agent from Indianapolis. One of our former captains, 696 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 9: worked his way up from the enlisted ranks, and he 697 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 9: never graduated from college at all. He was studying mining 698 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 9: engineering at UKL. You know, they were just kind of 699 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 9: this crazy mix of sampling of America. And to include 700 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 9: my grandfather, who served a board. He was a twenty 701 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 9: two year old man from upstate New York. 702 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 8: He was a carpenter, never. 703 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 9: Been outside of his hometown, you know, and to be 704 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 9: suddenly thrown in this little, tiny ship and a great, 705 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 9: big war, it was. 706 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 8: A heck of a shock for him. 707 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: Why do men like your grandpa? What drove them? 708 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: It's one of the things I just find so endlessly fascinating. 709 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,919 Speaker 1: As I was reading your book, Thank you for sending 710 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: me that. By the way, all the World War two 711 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: books I read, I've. 712 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 2: Just blown away by the men and what drove them. 713 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: And there were such fighters they weren't just trying to 714 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 1: get by. They weren't there for three hots and a cot. 715 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: They wanted to take it to the enemy. What was 716 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: it about those men. 717 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 9: Well, there's kind of a mix of things. The pilots 718 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 9: were certainly that way. You know, if you were a 719 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 9: pilot in World War Two, it's an entirely volunteer, volunteer profession. 720 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 8: Casualty rates were high. 721 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 9: The first squadron aboard the Cowpins have forty casualty rate 722 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 9: by the time they came home. 723 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 8: After that first year. 724 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 9: So you know, these were guys who wanted to take 725 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 9: it to the Japanese for what they did to us 726 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 9: at Pearl Harbor. If you talk to the individual crewmen, 727 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 9: some of them would would say, well, I wanted to serve, 728 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 9: but I you know, my dad or my grandfather or 729 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 9: my uncle told me what World War One was like 730 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 9: in the trenches, and I'd. 731 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 8: Rather be aboard a Navy ship. You know, you take 732 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 8: your meals with you. 733 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 9: My grandfather felt a little bit of that, But we 734 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 9: also had a Navy connection in our family worth three 735 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 9: generations Navy all the way back to World War One. 736 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 9: Great Grandpa earned the Navy Cross on convoy duty in 737 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 9: the Atlantics. So for him to you know, follow his 738 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 9: dad's footsteps and join the Navy seemed to be a 739 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 9: logical thing. 740 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 8: To do it for. 741 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 9: I mean, his sons went on to join the Navy 742 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 9: in Vietnam, so you know, it was it was a 743 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 9: family tradition, and he wanted to wanted to fall up 744 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 9: on him. 745 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: How about that? The book is the Mighty Move. I 746 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: encourage everybody to go pick it up. You will find 747 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: it endlessly fascinating. Thank you, Nathan, Thank you so much 748 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: for joining us. Highly highly recommended, well written book, very 749 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: very well written. Interesting. All right, you like his stuff 750 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: like that? You know we have specials. We do history 751 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: specials all the time, including WW two specials. 752 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,720 Speaker 2: Do you want to go watch those? 753 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: The first TV dot com slash history. Go sign up, subscribe, 754 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: go enjoy them at your leisure. All right, we'll be back. 755 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 1: All right, it is time to lighten the mood. And 756 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: Independence Day it's upon us, the day where we celebrate 757 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: breaking away from those dirty British. And I don't know 758 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: if I've ever seen a video more full of freedom 759 00:41:39,040 --> 00:42:11,240 Speaker 1: than this one right here. And maybe you're maybe, maybe 760 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: that was too much patriotism for you. Maybe you're sitting 761 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: there saying, Jesse, please no more. I'm overdosing. It's too 762 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,760 Speaker 1: much freedom. Well, if that's the case, maybe you should 763 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: shut it off because we're hammering you with a double 764 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: dose today. 765 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 2: Here's another one. 766 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 3: Magel Bagel Bago tear. 767 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 2: I'll see you a lot. It