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Speaker 1: to the Backdel Cast. My name is Jamie, my name

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Speaker 1: is Caitlin. This is the Betel Cast. It is our

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Speaker 1: That was so fast and good, Thank you so much. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's inspired by the Bechdel Test from you know, I don't,

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Speaker 1: let you down. Okay, So the Bechtel test is a

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Speaker 1: test for movies where there need to be at least

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Speaker 1: Most movies do not pass it, or just barely pass it,

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Speaker 1: We don't discriminate even where we should. Yeah, Oh, so

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Speaker 1: Women in Comedy Festival. Sure it was fine. Should we

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Speaker 1: introduce our guests? Hey, we sure should. Our guest today

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Speaker 1: is a comedian. She writes for National Geographic Explorer, and

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Speaker 1: New York. City, Ashley Brooke, Robert, Hello, Hi, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: feel it. We're talking about Pirates of the Caribbean, the

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Speaker 1: Curse of the Black Pearl. It's so good. So the score,

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Speaker 1: the score is good, the movie, the outfits. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: I discovered a whole new thing I hated by watching

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Speaker 1: What is it? Orlando Blum and his work I hate

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Speaker 1: having He's so bad. He did it a good impersonation

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite phrases. This is a hogs out

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Speaker 1: because we've got Bella Swan, We've got there's a character

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Speaker 1: from Once upon a Time that show on TV. Is

422
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: it sexist? Is it lazy? I say probably be. Well,

423
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: it's just like, how will the audience know that this

424
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: is an attractive and desirable woman unless we give her

425
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: a name that resembles a sexy bird, which Swans are

426
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: the sexiest pon Caitlin Sex Patients. Oh man, what a

427
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: good name. That's my strip her name another another thing

428
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: that that I mean maybe and this is this is

429
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: overthinking a little bit. But Elizabeth Swan, she's always very

430
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: into pirates. Cool, that's her weird hobby. She has a

431
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: lot about pirates. But by the end she is fighting

432
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: two on the side of people who we are to

433
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: believe pillogen rape, and she's like, this is good and

434
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: she's trying to stop the people who are like, you know,

435
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: oppressive and bad in their own way, but are also saying, hey,

436
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: maybe you don't pillage and rape, so why Like it's

437
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: it's an interesting dynamic. So she's not an especially well

438
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: developed character. She's you see her in different moments, like

439
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: being pretty resourceful. Like earlier on in the movie, when

440
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: the bad pirates come to collect the medallion that she has,

441
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: they go after her and she like hits them with

442
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: the bed warmer slash. I'm pretty sure it's a waffle iron,

443
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: she like opens it up in the hot coals go down,

444
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: and then she runs into another room and she sees

445
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: like swords above the mantle, and so she tries to

446
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: grab one out and she realizes it's just like a

447
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: decorative thing. And then whenever they do catch her, she

448
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: invokes the right of parlay. So she's like, I know

449
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: all about pirates. I my obsession with pirates is going

450
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: to actually serve me in this instance, and that's what

451
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: allows her to be like taken on to the ship.

452
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: And then she gets captured. But she's a bit she's

453
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: like resourceful and she can kind of hold her own

454
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: in certain scenes. But then there's a bunch of other

455
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: scenes where she faints and then falls into the water

456
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: and has to be saved, and then her dress gets

457
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: taken off, and then she has to be saved again

458
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: when they're on the Eli de Morta and they're about

459
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: to like cut her up and spill her blood everywhere.

460
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: Let's play a game. I'm gonna say a thing, and

461
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: then you guess how many times this happens in the movie,

462
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: all right, So the number of times the Elizabeth Wan's

463
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: dress has to be removed. I'm gonna say three times,

464
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: I'll go for Oh, it's only it's only two. But

465
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: the fact that it happens in all is like no

466
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: one whenever Giant Up takes it off underwater, and then

467
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: whenever Captain Barbosa he gives her a dress to be like,

468
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: wear this and dine with me, or dine with the

469
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: crew and be naked like okay um. And then as

470
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: he's like sending her off, what should I do? So

471
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: as he's like sending her off the plank to maroon

472
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: her on an island, he is like, give me that

473
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: dress back, So she has to take off her dress.

474
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: So that happens twice. So the number of times where

475
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: she has to be saved by a man six, it's

476
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Speaker 1: only two. Really, at least that I caught me. I

477
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: mean I started she's doing than I thought. I might

478
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: have missed some Like I started telling this kind of

479
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: like halfway through the movie, so I might have there

480
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: might be things where I missed um. But yeah, it's

481
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: the time when um, Captain Sparrow has to save her

482
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: when she falls into the water because women be fainting?

483
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: You know? Was the second time was a fake faint? Right?

484
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: The second time was a fake faint, but she doesn't

485
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: get saved. Then that was like her, that was her resourcefulness.

486
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: This is all the power. That is literally all I

487
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: can do. You will believe that I faint because women,

488
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: and that what it buys her like a split second

489
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: of time. I don't know why that happens exactly, It's

490
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: very stupid. No. But the second time is when she

491
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: is in the cave on the Ela de Morta and

492
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: will turn her like swims up and has to rescue

493
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: her before her blood spills. Yeah, okay, number of times

494
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 1: she is held captive by a group of men on

495
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: a boat, let's say too. I'm going to say four.

496
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: It's first whenever the bad pirates led by Barbosa capture

497
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: her and like locker in the cabin, and then again

498
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: much later in the movie whenever Norrington, her potential fiance,

499
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: is like go in the cabin. You're not allowed to

500
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: be a part of this adventure. She escapes then, which

501
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: is kind of cool. She like ties some flags together

502
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm going to take matters into my

503
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: own hand. Love it. Yeah, she escapes actually then saves

504
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: the other group of pirates who but they're these ones

505
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: are the good pirates. These are the ones that like

506
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: Cotton who has the parrot. I love that parrot and

507
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: it's a good parrot. And then then there's the monkey

508
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: and the monkey, and then lots of fun animal companions

509
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: love it. So she actually saves them because they are

510
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: in like the little jail cells in the bottom of

511
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: the boat, so she rescues them. So that was, like,

512
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: I guess, a coold thing to see. But let's move

513
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: on to the number of times that she is struck

514
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: across the face. Oh my god, I'm gonna say three

515
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: for that one. I'm gonna say too, I only kind

516
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: of two. Geez, what is it two? I don't know.

517
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: They forgot about the role of threes and storytelling. The

518
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: roll toos baby um once whenever she first boards the

519
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: Black Pearl and the I think like the first mate

520
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: or some guy slaps across the face and then he's like,

521
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: you'll speak when spoken to, and she's like, I learned

522
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: my last and right as one does. Uh. And then

523
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: Barboza hits her across the face after he discovers that

524
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: Will Turner Senior is not her father, so he's like,

525
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: you tricked me, and then he slaps across the face

526
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: and then she tumbles down a hill and finally the

527
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: number of times a gun is pointed at her, Oh

528
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: my goodness, four, it's three. Then I counted, uh, which

529
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: we could have missed some. One of them is when

530
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: she and Sparrow are marooned on the island and he's like,

531
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: first split second contemplates murdering her, so he pulls off

532
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 1: the gun and like points it at her head. There's

533
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: one where Anna Maria is like, these pirates are after us.

534
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: We gotta give her up and then they won't be

535
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 1: after us anymore. Sounds, so she points a gun at

536
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: her head. Oh crap, I forget what The third one is?

537
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: Is it in the beginning when Johnny Depp has taken

538
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: her hostage because he's like in the first fift in minutes,

539
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: so yeah, he rescues her and then immediately uses her.

540
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Is like Lee Bridge that ward keeps coming up in

541
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: this movie to uh, what you say it again? That

542
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: way the fridge there wasn't smitten at the first time

543
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: when you're talking about God. Sorry, I'm triggered. So a

544
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: lot of things happened to Elizabeth Swan that aren't ideal

545
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: to be fair. A lot of guns are pointed, and

546
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the male characters a lot of a

547
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: lot of them are punched, like a lot of there's

548
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: a lot. It's an action movie. There's a lot of violence.

549
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: But it was just a little upsetting to see so

550
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 1: much violence. I think, I think if we're if we're saying,

551
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, the amount of times a gun is pointed

552
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: at you versus in it like a big moment, versus

553
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: the amount of times you get to point a gun

554
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: in a big moment. She's kind of I mean, she

555
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: does get to have her moments, but it's not she

556
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: was actually pretty good at fighting at the in there.

557
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: She could she handled a sword almost to the point

558
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: where I was like, where'd you Yeah, yeah, maybe she

559
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: went to boarding school and took fencing as an elective.

560
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: It's very British. And then she has that big moment

561
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: at the end where someone mentions pain. One of the

562
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: bad pirates is like, you all know the meaning of pain,

563
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: and then she goes like pain, try wearing a and

564
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: then that point hits him with it, saying that was

565
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: that was that one didn't hit for me too much,

566
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you say, a girl exactly. It's like

567
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: that's the kind of like feminist line that your dad

568
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: could write. Right. I was just you want to know

569
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: about pain? Right? I bet like the writers of the

570
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: movie were like, oh, let's have her say to stand.

571
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: Then they were jerking off and jerking off, and it

572
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: all comes full circle. It comes for full circle, guys.

573
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: It works for women, and it works from a narrative standpoint.

574
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: And then they come in a in the center like

575
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: they're all upwards trajectory, and then he goes and everyone

576
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: gets splashed. This is my fantast The point I'm trying

577
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: to make is that like there's a lot of violence

578
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: directed at her. She has some agency at some points

579
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: in the story, but a lot of the time she's

580
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: having to be saved. She's kind of being dragged around,

581
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: used as bait. She's a bit of an ungenue in

582
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: the way that a lot of I mean, I don't know.

583
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: And there's again there's like a pretty there's always a

584
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: missed opportunity for like, let's just give her another substantial

585
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: female character to talk to, because it's not even like

586
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: her character and the way she's treated have a lot

587
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: of problems but that but like the thing always is,

588
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: it's just like there's no one for her to talk

589
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: to who isn't a man in this story, shocking, A

590
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: few women shocking, And it's yeah, like she and Zoe

591
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 1: Seldona could have a very sexy conversation about anything, you know,

592
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: but there's no narrative investment in making that happen, and

593
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: no narrative investment in making is always held down as

594
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: character important enough to make her worth talking to. Yeah,

595
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: there is a moment where I'm like, Okay, I guess

596
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: that's cool, where I think she's like the first mate

597
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: so that whenever Sparrow they think he's been killed, I

598
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: think she becomes the captain of the black So like, hey,

599
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: a woman in a leadership role. That's cool. But again, like,

600
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: but we know almost nothing about her character. There's a

601
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: lot of a lot to be said for high functioning

602
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: alcoholics in this movie too. Yeah, man, Jack Sparrow, he's

603
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: the high functioning alcoholic. It's almost presented to us as like,

604
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: why would anyone ask Jack Sparrow why he's good at

605
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: his job? He's Jack Sparrow, And it's like, well, he's

606
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: never not drunk, but he is good at his job,

607
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: which is like, oh, let's just all be alcoholics where

608
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: probably all like that. That's my philosophy. Anyways, the drunkest

609
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: man is in charge New testament. Oh, I thought of

610
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: another thing that you can look out for in a

611
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: movie where when a male character is complimenting a female character,

612
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: does he compliment her about anything besides horror appearance? Horror.

613
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm having a really hard time saying words today. I

614
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: don't know floor play what it is for horror parents.

615
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: You gotta have horror parents on point before you can

616
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: engage in a four play. What I meant to say is,

617
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: does he compliment a woman on anything besides her appearance?

618
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 1: I overcompense that time as far as I could tell.

619
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: In this movie, whenever Norrington is trying to propose to

620
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Swan, he's like, you're a beautiful woman, You've turned

621
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: into a fine woman. You're so hot, marry me. Yes.

622
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: But then it's sorry to bring back to Titanic, But

623
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: Norrington is the cow Hockley of Pirates of the Caribbean, right,

624
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: and so we're not supposed to like that. He's it's

625
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: not like a like a normalized thing of like, oh

626
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: this is how you talked to Like we're like, oh,

627
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: he's a bad guy. He doesn't know anything about her,

628
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: And then like not that wild turners virtually even a

629
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: character like who knows what is there to love about him?

630
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: What do we know about him? He's a blacksmith, he's

631
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: a good one. He wears a good at it. The

632
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: sword balances perfectly, And I just it's so I can't

633
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: bridge the idea of like imagine Orlando Bloom accomplishing a

634
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: task like I can't. There's no way he's good at anything.

635
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: God have you seen Elizabethtown? No? God, it's bad. Yeah,

636
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: I skipped that one. Okay, I'm going to his IMDb

637
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: pitch carry on something. I thought it was interesting at

638
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: the beginning. So she's like so in Two Pirates and

639
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: so I sort of I might have given her character

640
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: more than it is warranted. But I was like, oh,

641
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: she has like a thirst for adventure, and like she

642
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: wants to go an adventure and she wants to live

643
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: this like full life. And then she does get to

644
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: go on an adventure, which I thought was pretty cool,

645
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: even though she is like completely submissive to the adventure,

646
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: like it's not through her own agency that she's really

647
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: on this adventure. She's sort of taken along, but it

648
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: wasn't nice. Something happened to this poor rich child, you

649
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: know where she was. It seemed like she would have

650
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: just lived a life of seclusion otherwise. So that's true.

651
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: There's a lot of points in the movie where she

652
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: could like opt out, but she wants to be there.

653
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: She wants to be on the journey, even if she

654
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: constantly has to take her clothes off. Yeah. And I

655
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: was just in New Orleans and like the whole time

656
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: I was there, so like the gender ratio in New York,

657
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: there's just more women than men, which is great. I

658
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: love it, give me all that female energy. And then

659
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: I went to New Orleans and I was like, something

660
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: is wrong, and I realized it was because there's just

661
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: so many men in New Orleans because like very much

662
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: a pirate town. And so watching this, I was thinking

663
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: about like that feeling of just too much testosterone. You know,

664
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: you're a hard pressed to find a woman in this movie.

665
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: It's extremely hard. And I guess you know, we're assume

666
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: there are other women around, but we don't see them

667
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: in anything but submissive roles, with the exception of Anna Maria,

668
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: because it's we see prostitutes and we see mates, and

669
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: those are the two categories of women. Yeah, And the

670
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: thing I remember the most about Anna Maria is that

671
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: she got sucked over by Jack Sparrow exactly, and so

672
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: she's like bitter, you know, and and also a victim. True, true, Yeah.

673
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: I want to see an entire movie about her. I

674
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: think that would be a much more interesting. And now

675
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: it's always saw that she's got that billing power. Yeah, yeah,

676
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: that would be amazing. That's a great idea. You should

677
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: sell it to Disney, like, hey, Disney had its original

678
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: character of all that myself. Um. Yeah. The problem with

679
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: Elizabeth is that she she's there and then she does

680
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: kind of do stuff sometimes, like she does save herself

681
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: by escaping from the boat. She does help the other

682
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: good pirates escape. She's not a bad character like she's

683
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: but there's just no one. She gives her hand in

684
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: marriage so that the guy will go rescue her lover.

685
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: She falsely gives her hand in marriage, which is again

686
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: a part of her resourcefulness. I think, where she's just

687
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: like a line to him and make him think that

688
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I love him if it means saving this other man

689
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: who everyone is horny for everyone. All three of the

690
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: horny dep it's horny Depp, the horny Depp. Sorry but yeah,

691
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: I'm Sparrow. Will Turner and Norrington all want to fuck

692
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: Elizabeth real hard. She's the only woman in the mood

693
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: exactly because like between I mean, there's one woman pirate,

694
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: There no women in the military, there's no moms, there's

695
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: no moms, there's no miles. Yeah, there's there's some prostitutes

696
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: on Tortuga. A lot of stuff could be diffused by

697
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: adding some mills into the mix. That's true of any movie. Honestly,

698
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: it's true. Where are the mills? Yeah, Elizabeth isn't the

699
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: one ever really driving the story. If her if her

700
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: actions influence the direction that the story takes, it's only

701
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: for a very brief moment and it doesn't happen that often.

702
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: So it's all these male characters who are driving the

703
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: narrative the entire time, and it's just like, we're over it.

704
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: Let a lady do something, God damn it. Yeah, you're

705
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: between a rack and a hard place for this one,

706
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: because you want there to be women doing more things,

707
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: but there's not enough women to get much done. What

708
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: was that movie that just mad Max Fury Road? You

709
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: go into you find like the pirate women right at

710
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: the end, the women of they could have have had

711
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: they could have had a ship women. I liked those women.

712
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: They were the only part of the movie. I like

713
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: we did an episode about it because they were the

714
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: pirate women. And then there were the Victoria's Secret. Yeah,

715
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: the hot Mommy. Yeah boy, I'm I'm like flashing back

716
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: to arguing about that movie. Yeah, I'm sorry that you're triggered.

717
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm fine. Yeah, why aren't there a ship of lady pirates?

718
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure that would have been a killer scene. Yeah.

719
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: I meant to research this. I think there was like

720
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: a famous female pirate who was like, let's see her,

721
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: let's make a movie about her. I believe it immediately. Yeah,

722
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: without reservation. I'm not even going to google it if

723
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: it's not of PARI existed. Yes, sorry for bringing up down.

724
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: I just don't know if I know that, I didn't

725
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: need that. She's a famous female spy. Yeah, heart, I

726
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: believe were War one. Oh cool, Yeah, she's cool. Okay,

727
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: wikild be a page women in piracy. We're prepared, we're prepared.

728
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: Another thing that happens that I was like, Oh, that's

729
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: that's cool. For Elizabeth to do is she tricks Jack

730
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: into getting drunk so that he can pass out, and

731
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: then she burns all the rum on the island to

732
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: create a signal for the navy to find. And she

733
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: fits being way drunk er than she actually like, she

734
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: does a lot of cool stuff. She's smart because you know,

735
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: if if her and Kira Knightley was like seventeen when

736
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: she shot this movie, Yeah, isn't that crazy, But it's

737
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: like for her aid, you know, I don't know if

738
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: I would have thought of that ship if I was

739
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: sixteen and also completely sheltered, and so the character, I mean,

740
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: she's not always treated well. She is submissive in ways

741
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: that you know, you wish she kicked people's asks when

742
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: she didn't. But she's smart, she's capable, and that is

743
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: never called into question by the movie. It's called into

744
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: question by certain characters, but the movie never seems to doubt.

745
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: You know, this is a capable person who can accomplish stuff. Again,

746
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: this movie, for me, is just like a failure of

747
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: giving her any like giving us any other female characters

748
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: to like really connect with, because we don't have time

749
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: with anyone. I mean, as someone who is also very

750
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: horny for pirates. I did like to see unscreen all

751
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: the pirates. They keep talking about the pirate code and

752
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: then moving, and I'm like, is that like bro code

753
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: but instead of like bros before hose. I was imagining

754
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: that their phrase would be booty before booty, but it's

755
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: like pirate booty before lady but before And yeah, yours

756
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: is good. I liked it. Thank you well. That made

757
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: me think for some reason, of Jack is very good

758
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: at being a pirate. Norrington is very good at being

759
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: a military man. Will Turner is very good at being

760
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: a swords smith man. Elizabeth is not allowed to have

761
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: a career, right, but she's very good at being pretty,

762
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: and very good at being wanted, and very good and

763
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: showing her cleaping. Her clothes are so precariously close to

764
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: not being on her, Like how close her clothes get

765
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: to her nips? Yeah is wild. I kept waiting for

766
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: a nip. I was w a nip, but apparently she

767
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: was underage, so you know, we really couldn't be showing

768
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: those nips. Yeah. Yeah, she knows a lot about pirates.

769
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: You can assume that she wrote read a bunch about

770
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: like pirate lore because she were cited the whole thing.

771
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: She's like, I invoked right, a parley according to the

772
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: code of the Brethren of the laid down by the

773
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: pirates Morgan and Bartholomew. You have to take me to

774
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: your captain and all the time, and I'm like, wow,

775
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: do you read about pirates that she knows as much

776
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: about pirates as I know about Haley Joel Osmond. If

777
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: there was a point where I could invoke a fact

778
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: about Haley Jewels, I would be ready. I would be safe. Yeah.

779
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: Can I take you up on that right now? Yeah.

780
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: Haley Joel was discovered in an i Q when he

781
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: was three years old, and he was put into a

782
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: Pizza Hut commercial and later rosa prominence in his first

783
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: role as far as Cup, where he learned how to

784
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: tie your shoes on the set. Wow, take me to

785
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: your leader. There's one thing I was thinking about, which

786
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: is in the beginning when they're talking to Jack Sparrow,

787
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: he's talking to the two dentists. They're like, are you

788
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: a pirate? Rattles off a bunch of things that pirates do,

789
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: and he says rape, which I thought was interesting for

790
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: like a kid's movie, because they kind of whitewashed right,

791
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: but he says the actual word, right. I thought it

792
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: was Raid might have said rape, though I don't think

793
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: he said right. I think he's like plunder. Yeah, he's like,

794
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: all right, Oh, don't worry, I know the line. He's alright,

795
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: I confess mine, no, come in, come in, I'm not

796
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: gonna get it totally right. I love this dance you

797
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: just took back. He's like, alright, I'm gonna My attention

798
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: is to comment here, one of these ships pick up

799
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: a crew in Tortuga, rate pillage, plunder and otherwise and

800
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: any like trails often system other stuff. I'm looking at

801
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: the script right now, so maybe this was strange. I

802
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: mean that maybe this is an earlier draft. I confess

803
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: I intend to commandeer one of these ships, pick up

804
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: a crew in Tortuga, and go on the account and

805
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: do a little honest pirrating that that's not what happened.

806
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: He may maybe he improvised the word rape, which, knowing

807
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: Johnny later history, may have just been at the top

808
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: of his head. We don't know. I think now that

809
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: you say that, that makes a lot more sense, because

810
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: it struck me as odd that they would allow that

811
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: to happen, right, I mean it doesn't come up anywhere else.

812
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: It's a Disney movie. I highly doubt they would say rape.

813
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: But pirates are famous for raping and pillaging, so I

814
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: assumed it was raid. But I guess we'll never know.

815
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: We'll never never see the movie again, and neither will anyone,

816
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: and this is the last we'll ever talk about it.

817
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: I wish she had said the line with a little

818
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 1: honest py writing. That's so much worse. I wonder where

819
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: that came from. It's bad, bad dialogue. Oh. I made

820
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: a list of all the words that women are referred

821
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: to throughout the movie. Rather than calling them women, they

822
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: are called strumpet, which would say horror or prostitute. Yeah,

823
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: they're called poppet. I remember that, which it means like

824
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: little girl, doll, darling. You know, it's terrible as when

825
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: I was younger, I assumed the word poppet just because

826
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: of how it's invoked in that movie, just that like idiot,

827
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: Like I think that my like cousins and I would

828
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: call each other poppets after seeing that movie, just to

829
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: call each other like dumbasses. Well, he uses it very condescendingly,

830
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: so it's not surprising. Yeah, I just didn't know it's

831
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: specific to a woman, but I guess it is. I

832
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: thought it was a pastry, just like I thought strumpet was.

833
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm like tea and strumpets. Yeah, I think you think

834
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: of crumpets, but yeah, and throw a splash of puppet.

835
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: She's called a bonnie last, which I suppose in itself

836
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: isn't offensive, but it means like pretty girl. Here's the thing.

837
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: A lot of times grown women are referred to as girls.

838
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: And it's problematic because one, we don't call grown men boys.

839
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: We don't say like, oh that boy over there, referring

840
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: to a man, but people will be like, oh, who's

841
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: that girl when they're referring to a grown woman. And

842
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: it's just this a way to like diminish a woman's existence.

843
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: Men love sex, babies, it's improve especially if they can come.

844
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: Can that baby come? Also, women are referred to as

845
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: pleasurable company, and true, that's my stripper name coming to

846
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: stage next, pleasurable company. And then finally, as you mentioned before,

847
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: Jack is like not all treasures silver and gold night,

848
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: referring to Elizabeth being treasure, a commodity to be owned.

849
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: Can treasure too, Let's make a teacher so yeah, that's

850
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: a fun thing. Does anyone have any final thoughts about

851
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: the movie? I liked it more than I thought I

852
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: was going to, even though I don't think that that's

853
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: um she has any agency at all, and it's a

854
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: very disappointing for U women. But as far as entertainment him,

855
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: it was fun as a movie, solid blockbuster like it.

856
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: It's fun. I wish I still had those booty shorts.

857
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: That sounds awesome. Yeah, right, that Beanie probably best lost.

858
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Swan doesn't have enough agency or stuff to do.

859
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: But given the way we're introduced to her and how

860
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: we're introduced her, I think she is a good character

861
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: who has no one to interact with that isn't a

862
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: horny man, and that, for me is the tragedy. Right

863
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: With that, let's talk about whether or not the movie

864
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: passes the Becto test. It's it's a little unclear. Yeah,

865
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: the first scene where two women are interacting with each other,

866
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: for sure does not pass because it's Elizabeth talking to

867
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: her maid. She does not have a name, and I

868
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: don't think is ever given a name, which is weird

869
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: because she has I would say, almost as much screen

870
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: time as Zoe Saldana does. Right, She's in it like

871
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: quite a bit, but we don't know her name. Most

872
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: of the time she's strapping up Elizabeth's corset, but um, yeah.

873
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: So they have a conversation first about She's like, what

874
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: a difficult day for you? And Elizabeth is like, yeah,

875
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: the commodore proposed whoa. I wasn't expecting that. And she's like, no,

876
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: I meant you being threatened by that pirate and and

877
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, yeah, that was that was hard. She

878
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: has very very horny hers were actively hard in it.

879
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: She was like, I didn't like it. I hate it.

880
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: I hate And then the maid is like, well that

881
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: will turner. He's a hot guy. And like every single

882
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: line it's like and there's also this male character. So

883
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: this one they talk about three different men in the

884
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: course of twenty second. I think they bring up daddy too.

885
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: It's every male character we've been introduced is invoked in

886
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: this one scene. At this point, when we watched scenes

887
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: like that where it's like, oh my gosh, it's a

888
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: scene with two women, it's like that this is our sports.

889
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: We're like, we're like playing bets and stuff, and then

890
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: like cut the next scene We're like, oh my god,

891
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: I love that. Then the next scene where the same

892
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: two characters are talking the maids like the bad pirates,

893
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: they're here to kidnap you because you're the governor's daughter,

894
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: and she's like some exposition. Yeah, she's like, go hide

895
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: and run to the fort. So unclear whether or not that.

896
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: I think you had a really good point though, where

897
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: they they're referring to men coming for her, and it's well,

898
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: men are coming for her, men becoming men are also

899
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: in pursuit of her right and and we they don't

900
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: say a masculine term, but we know from context that

901
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: they're talking about men. So I think I think you're right. Anyways, Yeah,

902
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: let's say that that does not pass then, yeah, because

903
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: they're talking about the men coming after them and what

904
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: they're going to do because the men are coming in

905
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah. And then the final scene where you know, well,

906
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: we got one chance left, let's see how it goes.

907
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: There's a one more scene where two women talk to

908
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: each other and it's Elizabeth and Anna Maria and he's like,

909
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: the Black Peril is gaining on us, and Elizabeth is like,

910
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: but this is the fastest ship in the Caribbean and antimaries,

911
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: like you can tell them that after they've caught us,

912
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: and then they say a bunch of nautical ship, but

913
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: you can tell them that after they got again them

914
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: and they and there's no other female character and flat

915
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: in that term because the only two female characters are

916
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: speaking to each other. I don't want to give this

917
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: movie any leeway. I don't think I think that this

918
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: is we're talking about. I don't know, I don't know.

919
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: They're directly talking about men coming after them and how

920
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna what they're gonna do. Yeah, I agree, I mean,

921
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: and when it's this barely of a pass anyways, and

922
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: we might as well just say it doesn't like if

923
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: there's this much discussion into like the fact that they

924
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: discussed you know. Yeah, it seems like this movie does

925
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: not pass. There are a number of times where two

926
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: men are talking to each other about a woman so

927
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: and they're calling her a strumpet most of the time.

928
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know those better or worse. So should

929
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: we ignore women or should we berate them? Which is bad?

930
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: Or so? Yeah, let's say that it does not pass

931
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: the Bacte test. Not entirely surprising, but I was hoping.

932
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean, some movies have surprised us by having a few,

933
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: like at least one scene where you're like, okay, cool, like, yeah,

934
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: they talked about it. I'm offen it gives a little

935
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: piece of grizzle to chew on in the audience, but

936
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: not this one. Yeah, and it's so long, right, Yeah.

937
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Rush great though, Yeah, yeah, Jeffrey Rush is great. Yeah.

938
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: You see his penis in the movie Quills. I know.

939
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: I used to have an Android phone, and so sometimes

940
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: I just like put my phone and say, like, okay,

941
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: google Jeffrey Rush's penis, and then it would come up.

942
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: It's great. Are we ready to rate the movie? Yes?

943
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Did you say, uh, ready to rape the movie? No? Yeah,

944
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 1: I learn to floor play the movie. I said, raid

945
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: dy to rain the movie? Was pr the word I again,

946
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm having a really time saying certain words today horror

947
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: instead of her that's literally really that's a really bad

948
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: And then I said floor play. It's okay, sorry, everyone

949
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: stay safe. So what I what I'm trying to do

950
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: is get us to rate the movie on our nipple scale.

951
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: We have a scale of zero to five nipples where

952
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: we write the movie based on its portrayal of women.

953
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: I'll go first. I think this movie gets a too

954
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: because Elizabeth isn't the worst character. She could be positioned

955
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: as a damsel in distress who's kind of like has

956
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: absolutely no bearing on the story except just having to

957
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: be saved, and she does exist primarily as the romantic

958
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: interest for a number of different characters. But she does

959
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: take initiative and do stuff sometimes, and it's she's clearly smart.

960
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: She has spent a lot of time researching and obsessing

961
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: over pirates. She gets very horny. I think the only

962
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: reason she ends up with Will Turner at the end

963
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: is because she's like, oh he's kind of a pirate, now, okay,

964
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 1: I'll fuck him. Yeah he has she changed him, she changed,

965
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: she fixed It makes him. I would not see. There's

966
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: no one in this movie I wanted to fix. And

967
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm a great fixer. You are a great fix I

968
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: love a good fixer, rapper, love a good project. Did

969
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: I want to fix? And then like, I don't know,

970
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: the parts where she is like oh that was kind

971
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: of cool that she did are just sort of like

972
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: kind of canceled out by the fact that, like there's

973
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: so much violence against her, and then she's not that

974
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: interesting or developed of a I'm not like, oh, let's

975
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: quote Elizabeth want she because she has all these cool quotes,

976
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: and let's emulate her into the fact that Kia Knightli

977
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: is playing her. I mean she doesn't have a ton

978
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: of range. There's a ton. I mean there's there's a

979
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: lot of bland ass actors in like Orlando. There are

980
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: the two leads are boring as fuck, like Orlando Bloom

981
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: and Night. They're British. Sure, that's Orlando Bloom for sure,

982
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: has no charisma, facid as hell. I think it's a

983
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: skilled actress, but she like, she doesn't have any range.

984
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: She can be in movies that take place from like

985
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: nineteen hundred all the way back to six hundred as

986
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: long as she's in like a long dress. And yeah,

987
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna give it a two nipples they belong

988
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: to the monkey named Jack Jack the Monkey. Okay, I'm

989
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: gonna give it one in three fourth nipples, Um love it. Yeah,

990
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say she was incredibly helpless. Wasn't into that,

991
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: but I do. I did see potential for her character

992
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: to develop, like later in the series where I was

993
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: like Okay, she's got some spunk and I could see

994
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: this becoming an actual person as it goes on. But

995
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one in three fourths. I like, yeah,

996
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've ever had a three fourths

997
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: before we do it in good that's just a nipple

998
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: with a little assist. Unbit it too hard, Okay, I'll

999
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: give it too. I agree that Elizabeth Swan is fundamentally

1000
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: a good character. I think if she was played by

1001
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: another actress, she would probably seem like an even more

1002
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: strong character. And there's female characters with potential for more stories,

1003
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: specifically and Maria. Um. So the roots of really able

1004
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: to be developed female characters are here with at least

1005
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: two characters, and it's just not capitalized on in this movie.

1006
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: But I mean, and this is horrible to be like, well,

1007
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: at least they're there. But at least they're there. Um

1008
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: those nipples and give one to Saldanna, one Saldana nip,

1009
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: and then one goofy pirate nip, one of the dumb ones,

1010
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: the one that has a wooden eye. Yeah, I supposed

1011
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: to give the nips away. We just described them. So

1012
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: then we as we're saying, like who these nipples belong

1013
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: to Okay, then one is like a big pink nipple,

1014
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: it belongs to the dad, like a silver pancake. And

1015
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: then another one's like a little tight nipple, and it's

1016
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: going to belong to Giselle nipple very tiny. I do

1017
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: picture of the Dad's nipple as lactating. I don't know why,

1018
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: but I'm like that Dad's got some milk in him

1019
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: because he can stop it up with his wig, because

1020
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: he has the greatest wig of them all. Oh, that's

1021
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: my last comment. So many wigs in this movie. The

1022
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: wout wigs out hogs out, No hogs out in the movie.

1023
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: But wigs are certainly man. What was the wig budget?

1024
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: That's my new question to ask. Guess that wig budget.

1025
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: There had to have been a solid twenty thousand dollars

1026
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: spent on wigs alone. I see that's probably pretty close

1027
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: to being right. Those were high class wigs, because all

1028
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: the pirates are wearing wigs, two out more most of them.

1029
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: Orlando Bloom not wearing a wig. They just like throw

1030
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: some grease on him. Yeah, he sucks. I have seen

1031
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: the second and third of the Pirates movies. Don't remember them,

1032
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: I know I do remember there being another female character

1033
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: who they go to because they're like, we need to

1034
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: bring Barbosa back from the dead, and then she does it.

1035
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: But I don't know if any other female characters like

1036
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: new ones are introduced. I can't. I don't remember. I'd

1037
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: have to rewatch them. I did not see the fourth movie,

1038
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: but this fifth one coming out kire Knightley in Orlando Bloom.

1039
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't think we're in the fourth movie, but they

1040
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: returned for this fifth one. Dead Men Tell No Tales,

1041
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: which is something that Cotton's Pirates says in this movie,

1042
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: and Curse the Black Pearl, so oh yeah, and then

1043
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: Davy Jones. I feel like this this movie series just

1044
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: invokes vague nautical ship throughout, but that's also true to

1045
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: the roller Coaster, just vague nautical ship where you're like,

1046
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: this seems about right. Oh. I would argue this isn't

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Speaker 1: either the second or the third movie. But you see

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Speaker 1: a huge vagina monster Krack is a huge pussy. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's great. Should it like pussy juice on everyone? It

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Speaker 1: kind of like sneezes. Yeah, that's exciting. It's a female character,

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Speaker 1: right there, I think, so. Yeah, if only she gets

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Speaker 1: it's more of an aura. It's very feminine aura about

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Speaker 1: that particular installment. We should do an episode about the

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Speaker 1: country Bears. This is something I will say over and

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Speaker 1: is it live action or animated? It is live action?

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Speaker 1: Maybe it is. It's pretty much just like let's take

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Speaker 1: the scary animatronics from the ride no one likes, but

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Speaker 1: for ninety minutes it's wild and I'm pretty sure it's

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Speaker 1: like a Smurfette situation where there's like one female. How

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Speaker 1: did we get all these bears? An amazing story. I

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Speaker 1: would just want to say one last thing, and that

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Speaker 1: is booty before booty, which is get that money before

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Speaker 1: getting up boy booty. I've never referred to a man.

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Speaker 1: I guess well. I have been like, oh booty call

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Speaker 1: boys can be Booty's. So yeah, booty before booty. Anyway, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. My goodness, we're

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Speaker 1: having me. Of course, where can people find you on

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Speaker 1: the internet? Follow me on Twitter at Ashley be Roberts

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Speaker 1: right now. Awesome? Yeah, what does he say at the end?

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Speaker 1: He's like something something and really bad eggs drink up

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Speaker 1: an amazing selection to play in the concert band. Also, uh,

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Speaker 1: we have an Instagram account. Now we do. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: have an Instagram. Follow us at bechtel Cast on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Also follow us on Twitter at becktel Cast. You can

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Speaker 1: listen to us on a bunch of different places SoundCloud, Limpson, iTunes.

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Speaker 1: You're probably already doing that right now. Why do I

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Speaker 1: gotta say it? Cheez Cheez, Louise. You can like us

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Speaker 1: on Facebook. We have a Facebook. You can like us.

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Speaker 1: We read the messages you email us. We read those

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Speaker 1: a little bit less. Yeah, but we can Facebook message

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Speaker 1: if if it's urgent, if it's if it's a feminism emergency.

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Speaker 1: Try Facebook like us and and rate us and review

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Speaker 1: us on iTunes and all that stuff. You said rate right,

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Speaker 1: I said, okay, rate us. But I am going to

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Speaker 1: go and uh initiate some floor play with someone. I

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Speaker 1: gotta go, see you guys later. By