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Speaker 1: It's nine O gen one engine with Jenny Garth and

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Speaker 1: Tory spelling.

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Speaker 2: This is so exciting, you guys.

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Speaker 1: His celebrity baby videos have gone viral, including the one

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Speaker 1: he made of our Beverly Hills nine two and oh cast,

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Speaker 1: which we're all obsessed with right.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, us as babies.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're so excited to chat with the talented content

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Speaker 1: creator Michael Waller of junk BOXAI dot com, who is

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Speaker 1: doing amazing things with artificial intelligence. Today we're going to

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Speaker 1: pick his brain about everything AI. Welcome Michael Waller to

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Speaker 1: the nine O two one OG podcast.

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Speaker 4: Hi Toy, Hi Jenny.

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Speaker 2: Hi Mike. Good to have you. Okay, this is this

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Speaker 2: is wild.

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Speaker 4: We we know this is wild. You guys have any.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for making us relevant on social media again.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god your posting.

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Speaker 1: Your post had us group chatting and laughing so hard

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Speaker 1: and just loving what you did for everybody that doesn't

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Speaker 1: know there was a post put up. You made this

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Speaker 1: with AI, I'm assuming and then it was the cast

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Speaker 1: when they were babies, and this is our cast.

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Speaker 2: Is not the first cast that you've done this.

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Speaker 5: For right now, I've done quite a few. Now, it's

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Speaker 5: hundreds of babies at this point.

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of babies junk boxai dot com.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's your website.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't stop watching it.

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, and actually, let's see how many views does

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Speaker 4: it happen?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah?

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Speaker 3: How many?

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Speaker 5: Five million views on my page? Over sixty one thousand shares,

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Speaker 5: So everybody can't stop watching it apparently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Some you watch over and over and you're like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, look how cute they were when they're babies.

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Speaker 1: But I told us that he wasn't chubby like that

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. And for me, I wish I look

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Speaker 3: like that as a baby. You are so shute, and

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Speaker 5: And it kind of takes the adult features and brings

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Speaker 5: it kind of like, you know, twenty years or you know,

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Speaker 5: it's pretty great.

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Speaker 2: What gave you the idea to do this?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: I experiment with a lot of different art styles on

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Speaker 5: my page. If you scroll down past the babies, you'll

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Speaker 5: see a bunch of different styles of animation. I've been

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Speaker 5: and a half years now with that page, and I

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Speaker 5: just kind of landed on that, but I gave it

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Speaker 5: bunch of iconic celebrities like Snoop dog Bruce Lee, Mike Tyson,

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Speaker 5: just just like a random post. I didn't really think

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Speaker 5: you know, how you can add somebody as a collaborator.

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Speaker 4: I added him as a collaborate on it. Within ten minutes,

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Speaker 5: it went like megaviral.

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Speaker 4: So I was like, I gotta do this again.

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Speaker 5: Did it again, and then it went just as viral,

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Speaker 5: and I was like, all right, I got something here,

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Speaker 5: And then I just kind of kept trying it out

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Speaker 2: Not sick of it.

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Speaker 3: They want more and more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, the friends cast video that you did

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Speaker 1: got what eighty million?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, almost almost ad eighty million views, you know, what's

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Speaker 5: crazy about that video?

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Speaker 4: Ok, there's a statistic about that video that blew my mind.

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Speaker 5: So that video has sixteen years watch time and it's

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Speaker 4: Wow, So that means that it's out for like.

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Speaker 1: People left, people spent fifteen sixteen what'd you say, sixteen years?

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Speaker 2: Sixteen years of their life?

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Speaker 2: Does that like just get you so excited and want

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Speaker 4: Does? It motivates me a lot.

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Speaker 5: It makes me want to stay up all night just

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're cranking out babies on the internet because yeah,

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Speaker 3: What's next? Are you going to keep doing babies?

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Speaker 5: That's a good question. For now, I'm gonna I think

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Speaker 5: junk Box Baby Book, and that's kind of brand new.

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Speaker 5: So even although I've been doing the babies for like

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Speaker 5: going to run that campaign for spring, and I'm also

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Speaker 4: Continue to do it. And so far they just keep

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Speaker 5: So that's pretty much that's all that's in my sights

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Speaker 2: I mean, what you do is so cool.

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Speaker 1: We hear everybody hears about AI, and you know, being

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Speaker 1: be scared of it all?

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Speaker 3: That in the future we never going to work again.

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Speaker 3: Just break it down for us.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think that so.

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Speaker 5: Like, I have a pretty extensive background in traditional videography

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Speaker 4: Kind of working within that pocket.

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Speaker 5: But there's so many as as many things as AI

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, like.

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Speaker 5: Well even even in terms of just like general CG

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Speaker 4: It's just that we're able to do it a lot faster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how long does it take to make a baby video?

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Speaker 4: I do about one baby video a night.

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Speaker 5: It takes me about four hours from conception to the

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Speaker 5: creating the data sets. Like so like for you guys,

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Speaker 5: to pretty much understand what it is that makes up

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Speaker 5: Tory and Jenny. So like for you guys, I went

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Speaker 5: and then I trained an AI data set. It's called

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Speaker 5: a Laura, that's the technical technical term for it.

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Speaker 5: It's an acronym for something, but I can't remember what

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Speaker 5: it is. And then when you're done with that, you

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Speaker 5: was to say, create me a medieval kind of hammer.

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Speaker 3: Stream to put postnoes job or like like that.

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Speaker 4: No, to answer that question, really, it really all depends

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Speaker 2: Content knows it's perfect.

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Speaker 3: I loved it, yeh, you guys.

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Speaker 5: Data sets came out flawless, so there was no extra

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Speaker 2: Well, you captivated us.

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Speaker 4: It's funny though.

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Speaker 5: Last night I actually put together an animation to kind

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Speaker 2: I'm so impressed, so very personal.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: It's got flustered blush, Mike, tell me again, what was that?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 5: So there's a bunch of different programs that I use.

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Speaker 4: A Laura Laura.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, A lot of this stuff is really a

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Speaker 5: data set creation and then like wright AI after that

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Speaker 5: and you'll see thousands of videos.

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Speaker 4: I have a couple of videos up too.

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Speaker 3: There's so many apps, though, how do you know which

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Speaker 5: That's the secret sauce, and you, guys happen to be

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Speaker 5: with the experts, so the best.

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Speaker 4: Ones to use right now? If you do, you guys

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Speaker 4: use tchatchipt rarely.

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Speaker 5: Okaypt is a very commonly used AI software.

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Speaker 4: So I figured you guys might know that.

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Speaker 3: We're traditional in so many ways, that it's so hard

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Speaker 3: and I just it's been hard.

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Speaker 4: So I have a couple of things I want to

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Speaker 5: This is called the Tory and Jenny Multiverse.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, jenns a.

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Speaker 4: Couple of different looks.

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Speaker 2: This is both bizarre. Mike what.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's super cool to kind of see.

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like, are you an artist? Like can you paint?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So I've always been a visual artist.

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Speaker 5: I can draw, I've practiced every medium from photo manipulation

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Speaker 5: it's really I don't know, it's really cool. This is

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Speaker 1: It's a whole different art form. But what about the

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Speaker 5: I will say from my experience, I can definitely tell

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Speaker 1: I was recently having a conversation with someone and talking

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Speaker 1: like it's it can be good, can be bad. Hopefully

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Speaker 5: not like what would be an awesome joke, Because even

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Speaker 5: maybe we can like kind of lean Hollywood's perspective a

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I agree. I've I've heard so many people speak the

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Speaker 3: we have to evolve, things have to go a certain way.

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Speaker 3: It just can't all be manipulated one way or another.

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Speaker 3: So and I know there's so many people that speak

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean a lot of people nowadays. I mean honestly,

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Speaker 4: It's really not like that.

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Speaker 3: It's not like War Games.

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Speaker 4: No, not really, It's really just kidding.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys remember that movie Matthew Broderick.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I should do a War Games animation.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: What like, we both commend you for using AI in

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Speaker 1: this fun, creative, artistic way. It's so entertaining, it's so refreshing.

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Speaker 1: I think my mom is going to love to see it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna show it tour sure.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm sure everyone and their mother are

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Speaker 3: now saying like, you have to do this for me?

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Speaker 4: And right, oh my god, yeah, that's the only text message.

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Speaker 3: You're screwed. Wait are you on cameo?

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Speaker 4: No, that's a good idea. I should Maybe I should

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Speaker 4: make one of those.

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Speaker 3: Okay, give me the referral.

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Speaker 1: Thanks well, good luck on your adorable coffee table book. Yes,

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Speaker 1: coming out junk Box Babies. Right, where can people find it?

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Speaker 5: You can find it on Amazon, so it's sold right

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Speaker 5: on Amazon. Also my website, there's a ton of links

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Speaker 5: on there. You guys can definitely find it on there,

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Speaker 5: and in my Instagram. I have a bunch of links

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to be looking for you.

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate you guys having me.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you, and thanks for including us.

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Speaker 3: There's so many shows and movies and you could have

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Speaker 3: done so you do do and we're grateful to be

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Speaker 3: a part of it. And our kids, well my kids

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Speaker 5: You guys will definitely be featured on my page again

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Speaker 5: in the future. So I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, guys, Thank you, Mike be Well