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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the highly popular mommy vlagger

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Speaker 1: with millions of followers as she doled out parenting advice,

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Speaker 1: only to be charged with felonies and sentenced after her

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Speaker 1: children found beaten and starved traumatized in the last days.

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Speaker 1: The husband of the evil Mommy vlagger, Ruby Frankie, leaves

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Speaker 1: viewers outraged by what he says on air. I'm Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: The husband of the YouTube mommy vlogger, Ruby Frankie leaves

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Speaker 1: viewers stunned and sickened. He says he still loves his

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Speaker 1: wife despite her devilish abuse of their children. Kevin Frankie

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Speaker 1: and son Chad sat down on GMA for the first

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Speaker 1: time ahead of their Hulu documentary Devil in the Family

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Speaker 1: The Fall of Ruby Frankie. Despite Ruby Frankie convicted of stunning,

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Speaker 1: horrific child abuse on their two young children, he says

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Speaker 1: he still loves her. Quote, I don't think I'll ever

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Speaker 1: stop loving her. I'm quote not ashamed to say after

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Speaker 1: being married over twenty years to that woman, I truly

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Speaker 2: Do love her.

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Speaker 1: He also told that to people since Frankie has been

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Speaker 1: sent to jail on a thirty year sentence. The husband

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Speaker 1: and children have quote reconnected and their home is now

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Speaker 1: full of quote laughter. I've always wondered where he was

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Speaker 1: during all the child abuse?

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Speaker 2: What exactly happened?

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Speaker 1: What does it mean when you're an influencer with literally

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Speaker 1: of a window, completely emaciated, starved, with signs all their.

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Speaker 2: Bodies that they have been bound.

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Speaker 1: Tied up, likely with at least duct tape. What kind

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Speaker 1: of an influencer is that? Well, according to me, that's

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Speaker 1: the kind of influencer that would best spend their time

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Speaker 1: behind bars. Let's see who they can influence in the

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Speaker 1: CI Correctional Institute. That's where I'm coming from. But I'll

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Speaker 1: let you judge for yourself. Let's kick it off with

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Speaker 1: our friends at ABC.

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Speaker 3: Arrest documents seeing the child escape to a neighbor's home.

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Speaker 3: The twelve year old child described by that neighbor in

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Speaker 4: About the saying that their sister are back.

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Speaker 5: At the homeless bum.

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Speaker 3: Police say they also found Frankie's ten year old daughter malnourished.

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Speaker 3: Frankie is known for her strict parenting advice to millions

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Speaker 6: Police say a clearly malnourished twelve year old child crawled

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Speaker 6: their house asking for food and water. Officers say his

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Speaker 6: wrists were duct taped, he had wounds from being tied

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Speaker 1: And also hearing our friends at KSL. So we have

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Speaker 1: at least one child who had apparently just turned twelve,

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Speaker 1: believe you me, if you haven't ever seen it, I

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Speaker 1: because when you see a child that has been starved

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Speaker 2: Something you never forget.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I was going to cover the Alex

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Speaker 1: Mardog double murder trial, I passed a yard and there

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Speaker 1: it reminds me when I went to Aruba with Natalie

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Speaker 1: Holloway's mother just recently, tried to turn up new evidence

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Speaker 1: I saw that way as a prosecutor, and not just once,

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Speaker 1: over and over and over food deprivation, starving your child.

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Speaker 1: to a neighbor asking for food, and the neighbor sees lacerations,

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Speaker 2: Who and the hell is the mommy?

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Speaker 1: Who in the hell is the dad that would do

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at GMA.

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Speaker 3: A Utah mom influencer arrested facing six felony counts of

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Speaker 3: aggravated child abuse. For the first time, we're hearing emergency

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Speaker 4: Email does have don K brown ankle. He's not telling

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Speaker 4: up to the right and so that their tours around

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Speaker 4: his with an ankles. He's becoming he's becoming emotional regarding

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Speaker 4: the child's health. I'm glad to.

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Speaker 1: Have with me an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 1: of what we know right now. But first I want

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Speaker 1: to go to investigative reporter with KSL dot com out

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Speaker 1: of Utah. Emily Ashcraft is with us. Emily, thank you

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Speaker 1: from being with us. Who is this woman?

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Speaker 7: Who is she? She is a family YouTuber of Logger

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Speaker 7: and the Family. Actually it's it's YouTube channel faded out

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Speaker 7: or stopped recently and she started up another YouTube channeler

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Speaker 7: as a counselor instead.

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Speaker 2: Of a mom. What is eight Passengers so that that's.

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Speaker 7: The family's YouTube channel, and you know, she said in

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Speaker 7: an article KSL wrote years ago that she started the

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Speaker 7: channel because she wanted other moms who were kind of

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Speaker 7: starting out with infants to see what it's like to

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Speaker 7: of motherhood is what she wanted to show off in

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Speaker 7: her in the eight Passengers YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: Ruby Rankie YouTuber mom of six Ruby.

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Speaker 2: Rankie f R A n K. How many followers?

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Speaker 1: I understand over two point two million subscribers to eight

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Speaker 7: That's the numbers that I've seen as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who in the hay is drinking the kool aid?

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Speaker 2: That's what I want to know.

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Speaker 1: And I want to go now to Donna Kelly, former

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Speaker 1: Legal Clinic. Donna, thank you for being with us. And

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Speaker 1: I've seen this over and over and over. It's not

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Speaker 1: just a story. It's not something we're reporting on. It's

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Speaker 1: not some fiction or TV made for TV movie. Not

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Speaker 1: only do you have the parents abusing the child horribly,

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Speaker 1: but people around them, they know what's happening.

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Speaker 2: And they do nothing. What is wrong with these people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not as if this just happened and

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Speaker 2: That's suspicious. They're starved, they're starved.

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Speaker 1: That takes a long period of time, Donna Kelly, and

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Speaker 8: Yes it does.

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Speaker 9: And unfortunately, many abusers are have the mindset that they

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Speaker 9: work hard at portraying themselves as you know, the good parent,

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Speaker 9: the parent you go to when you need advice. That

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Speaker 9: type of thing is not uncommon, and so that appears

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Speaker 9: to be what's going on here is that this particular

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Speaker 9: set of parents decided that they were going to portray

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Speaker 9: to the world, and apparently a lot, at least two

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Speaker 9: point two million people were fooled.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I just want you to hear something. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 10: Independent journalist and YouTuber Katie Paulson tracks child abuse cases.

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Speaker 10: She says Frankie YouTube channel Eat Passengers caught her attention.

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Speaker 11: And she was saying how she would send her daughter

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Speaker 10: She recalls another time when Frankie's son openly talked about

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Speaker 10: his punishment on the channel.

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Speaker 11: He was talking about how he had been sleeping on

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Speaker 1: That child had to sleep on a bean bag chair

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Speaker 1: for seven plus months for pulling a prank on his brother,

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Speaker 1: A prank, I might add, that didn't even cause any

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Speaker 2: Ready to go. It was a show they didn't go

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace and another bomb Shell. Regarding

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Speaker 1: Ruby Frankie in the past days, we learn her daughter states,

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Speaker 1: I helped clean blood off the wall. Oh gosh. Daughter

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Speaker 1: of Ruby Frankie. Sherry Frankie says a brother Chad in

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Speaker 1: this upcoming Hulu docu series Devil in the Family, The

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Speaker 1: Fall of Ruby Frankie quote, I did always feel bad

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Speaker 1: when he got in trouble, I guess, referring to brother Chad.

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Speaker 1: Sherry Frankie the eldest daughter of family vlogger child to

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Speaker 1: be is a Ruby. Frankie opens up, she reveals she

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Speaker 1: younger brother Chad was quote beat really bad. Quote he

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Speaker 1: more from the criminal case. At the get Go, Ruby

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Speaker 1: their children were fine. They were anything but fine. This

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Speaker 2: What I also don't understand.

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Speaker 1: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, you can

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Speaker 1: find her at psychologydoctor dot com, she's bad enough, But

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Speaker 1: who are the two point two million people that tune

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Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you I certainly wasn't tuning in

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Speaker 5: and I'd never even heard of Ruby Frank until this

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Speaker 5: came up. But what's more deplorables her sidekick, Jodie Hildebrandt,

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Speaker 5: who's a license professional, who's observing this the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Two point two million people are following this witch straight

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Speaker 1: from hell. I want you to hear more of what

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Speaker 1: we have learned. Take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 10: Diane Nevins remembers and being horrified at what she was

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Speaker 12: It was kind of like every video there was something

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Speaker 12: he was like two and a half years old, and

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Speaker 12: she never got any help. And she admitted that she

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Speaker 12: had a one point he'd fallen off the couch or

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Speaker 10: Nevin says when she commented her concern, she was blocked

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Speaker 1: KSL dot com, what was found in the home After

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Speaker 14: Okay, I lived in a family of fifteen people, and

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Speaker 2: You know what makes Ruby Frankie.

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Speaker 1: Different from the Turpin mom? Ruby Frankie is glamorous. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: listen to doctor free has joining us pediatrician, pediatric emergency

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Speaker 16: It can literally be anybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you think you know your neighbor, You

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Speaker 1: These children are being starved in their own home, assaulted,

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray. Jason Jensen joining me Salt

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Speaker 8: Nancy, there's a lot that can be said here. It's

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Speaker 8: interesting that you know the outer image that was being portrayed,

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Speaker 1: Jason Jensen, isn't it true that your children have actually

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Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy, Actually, my two kids were the ones that

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Speaker 1: Guys, when someone did try to speak out against Ruby Frankie,

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Speaker 11: They always say, if you see something, say something, and

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Speaker 1: She said it was because the child didn't the six

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Speaker 1: eight more of Ruby.

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Speaker 2: Frankie Kevin and I.

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Speaker 18: We have six children. The two youngest are showing long

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Speaker 18: patterns of selfishness. They have been showing through their choices,

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Speaker 18: their unwillingness to repent their unwillingness to feel sorrow over

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Speaker 18: some pretty egregious choices that they've made. So Kevin and

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Speaker 18: I have decided that we are going to give the

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Speaker 18: gift of truth to them this year for Christmas. We

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Speaker 18: are having to give them the gift of boundaries, and

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Speaker 18: we're going to give them the gift of repentance. So

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Speaker 18: we sat down with them and we let them know

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Speaker 18: how deeply sorrowful we've been because of the choices that

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Speaker 18: they have been making and how it's affected their teachers

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Speaker 18: at school, it's affected their peers, it's affected in our home,

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Speaker 18: the siblings, and we just laid it out very clear,

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Speaker 18: and we told them that this year they are not

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Speaker 18: going to be visited by Santa. We let them know

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Speaker 18: that Christmas morning, therefore, older siblings will be getting Christmas

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Speaker 18: presents to open that they will have the gift of

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Speaker 18: love from their dad to night.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's just examine what we just heard.

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Speaker 1: Donna Kelly joining me, former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney.

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Speaker 2: Donna.

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Speaker 1: She says, the youngest two, which I believe to be

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Speaker 1: around the ages of six and seven, were unwilling to

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Speaker 1: quote repent. So, therefore, while all the other children were

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Speaker 1: visited by Santa, the two little ones were not because

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Speaker 1: they would not quote repent. I didn't make that up.

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Speaker 1: She said that, And after you speak, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: need a shrink on this. Go ahead, Donna Kelly and Donna.

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Speaker 1: I know you've seen this, as have I, where one

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Speaker 1: or more children are picked out as the targets. Although

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Speaker 1: I think all of these children have been abused and mistreated, seemingly,

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Speaker 1: one usually is picked out as the most despised and

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Speaker 1: hated and their torture more than anyone else. These two children,

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Speaker 1: as they watch their sisters and brothers get Christmas Morning surprises.

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Speaker 2: They get nothing.

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Speaker 1: And then there are two children that are bound with

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Speaker 1: duct tape and ropes and starved. I just want to

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Speaker 1: get my hands around this woman's neck. Then, not only

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Speaker 1: does she do this to her children behind closed doors,

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Speaker 1: she brags about it on a YouTube channel that is

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Speaker 1: two point two million followers.

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Speaker 9: It's just absolutely heartbreaking to listen to her portray herself

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Speaker 9: as the victim. You know, we told these two children

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Speaker 9: that their dad and I were very sorrowful, and so

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Speaker 9: she's portraying herself as the victim, which is a very

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Speaker 9: common abuser tactic, you know, gaslighting the victim. And these

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Speaker 9: are children. They need to learn by trial and error

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Speaker 9: as they go along, and the parents need to be

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Speaker 9: responding to them in that way, in a kind and

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Speaker 9: loving way. And it's just absolutely heartbreaking. I can see

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Speaker 9: why they were charged with severe emotional harm of these

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Speaker 9: two children. In the charging document, they're charged with not

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Speaker 9: only torture maltrition, but also severe emotional harm, which it

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Speaker 9: absolutely is.

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Speaker 1: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, what do

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Speaker 1: you make of the other children, four of them getting

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Speaker 1: all their Christmas gifts from Santa and these two being

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Speaker 1: left out on Christmas morning one of the biggest days,

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Speaker 1: one of the two biggest days in the Christian year,

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Speaker 1: that being Christmas and Easter, and they're left out because

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't quote repent.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she wants to make an example out of them,

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Speaker 5: punish them, humiliate them. You know, it's all this sort

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Speaker 5: of brainwashing, gaslightingness.

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Speaker 1: I'm a six year old, gaslighting, manipulating, abusing a six

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Speaker 1: year old child and her brother.

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Speaker 2: So let me understand something.

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Speaker 1: The Emily Ashcroft, the six year old child that had

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Speaker 1: food withheld, would that be the now ten year old

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Speaker 1: child left behind in the home, starving and tied up.

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Speaker 2: When the twelve year old brother escapes through the window.

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Speaker 7: That would be that same child.

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Speaker 1: So this has been going on since the little girl

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Speaker 1: was six and the little boy was eight.

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Speaker 7: One of the things that Ruby Frankie said after her

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Speaker 7: arrest was that those children weren't fit to be around

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Speaker 7: other children. And I'm not sure what she means by that,

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Speaker 7: but it seems like it was specific to those two guys.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut thirty.

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Speaker 13: Carturing him stopping.

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Speaker 18: I know you're not, but it looks like you are.

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Speaker 6: I'm only gonna say it one more time, and.

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Speaker 16: Then you're gonna lose the privilege to eat dinner.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I hear the laughter. I don't know what's going on,

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Speaker 1: but I also hear you're gonna lose the privilege of

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Speaker 1: eating dinner. I hear Ruby Frankie saying that what makes

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Speaker 1: her any different from all the other abusive parents? Hair

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Speaker 1: and makeup two hours of hair and makeup before she

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Speaker 1: gets in front of the camera. To Jason Jensen joining

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Speaker 1: US high profile private investigator out of Utah located in

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. Jason Jensen how are we going to

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Speaker 1: go about proving this case.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think you hit most of it on the head,

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Speaker 8: and basically we have to show that there's a pattern,

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Speaker 8: a history between the actor, the abuser and her victim children.

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Speaker 8: And we have that pretty well established from some of

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Speaker 8: the outtakes of the YouTube channel, things that have been

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Speaker 8: brought up by fellow viewers and that we've discussed here

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Speaker 8: during the program. There's a history of this type of

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Speaker 8: neglect and abuse against these two particular children that have

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Speaker 8: been slowly brewing over time, where it was perhaps determined

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Speaker 8: to be minor, not enough to remove the children from

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Speaker 8: the home before, but now we're so severe that they're

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Speaker 8: being bound in duct tape like you know abductees, and

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Speaker 8: they're not even allowed to you know, venture forth from

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Speaker 8: the house and every time that they get in trouble

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Speaker 8: food is taken away as a punishment.

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Speaker 1: Well, also we're learning that one Abruby Frankie's other daughters

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Speaker 1: says her mother was reported to police years for abuse

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Speaker 1: and nothing was done. And sisters of Frankie three sisters

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Speaker 1: have also released statements admitting that they quote kept quiet

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Speaker 1: on the subject. What in the hay is that doctor

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Speaker 1: Dana Anderson that the family knows, but they choose to

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Speaker 1: remain quiet and let the children continue to starve and

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Speaker 1: be tied up and bound.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I can't say the extent of what the family knew,

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Speaker 5: but they certainly had some information. And I think it's

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Speaker 5: interesting that they've quickly made statements to the public stating

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Speaker 5: what side they're on. And I wonder if what the

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Speaker 5: phone longue would show of them attempting to reach out

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Speaker 5: or call CPS or the police.

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Speaker 1: Because they've issued a statement and I'm quoting them, we

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Speaker 1: quote kept quiet on the subject. Now the daughter, Sherry

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Speaker 1: has something to say. Take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: twenty box thirteen.

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Speaker 10: Frank's oldest daughter, Sherry Frank, who is twenty years old,

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Speaker 10: posted to her public Instagram today a photo of police

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Speaker 10: with the caption Finally, she added another story, saying, me

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Speaker 10: and my family are so glad justice is being served.

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Speaker 10: We've been trying to tell the police and CPS for

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Speaker 10: years about this and so glad they finally decided to

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Speaker 10: step up. Kids are safe, but there's a long road ahead.

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Speaker 10: Please keep them in your prayers and also respect their privacy.

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Speaker 10: As of now, four children have been taken into custody

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Speaker 10: of Child and Family Services.

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Speaker 1: The sisters who are also YouTubers stay this is their quote.

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Speaker 2: For the last three years, we have.

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Speaker 1: Kept quiet on the subject of our sister Ruby Frankie

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Speaker 1: for the sake of her children, behind the public saying

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Speaker 1: we've done everything we could to try and make sure

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Speaker 1: the kids were safe.

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Speaker 2: Really because they weren't the three.

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Speaker 1: Sisters, they were starving, they were being bound by ropes

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Speaker 1: and duct tape, and what if anything did you do

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Speaker 1: about it? Sounds like nothing, Because I have a very

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Speaker 1: strong suspicion that if they had called Defects Department, Family

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Speaker 1: Children's Services, CPS, chop Tape of Services and some jurisdictions,

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Speaker 1: that there would have been a response. Would you agree,

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Speaker 1: Donna Kelly.

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Speaker 9: Oh, absolutely absolutely. In this case, I am very encouraged

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Speaker 9: by a couple of things, and those are that a

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Speaker 9: lot of the evidence is going to be admissible without

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Speaker 9: the children even having to testify about some of these things.

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Speaker 9: Because when this little boy ran to the neighbor for help,

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Speaker 9: you know, they have observations. And also anything that he

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Speaker 9: told them will be admissible. Anything that he told and

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Speaker 9: the little girl told to the medical personnel will be admissible.

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Speaker 8: Trial.

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Speaker 9: So at the very least, this case has a very

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Speaker 9: strong cooperation going forward and I'm very encouraged by that.

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Speaker 1: Guys, there's another person arrested. Take a listen nowur cut

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Speaker 1: eighteen Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 10: Eight passengers was taken down earlier this year, and that's

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Speaker 10: when Frankie partnered with Jody Hildebrandt, a licensed therapist, in

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Speaker 10: a channel called Connections where they gave parenting and life advice.

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Speaker 10: Here they are pictured in Hildebrandt's home, the same place

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Speaker 10: Frankie's son escaped from and where her daughter was found

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Speaker 10: being held captive in the basement.

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Speaker 11: It's heartbreaking, and I think it's heartbreaking for the community

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Speaker 11: that watched this family.

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Speaker 5: Knew that something was wrong.

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Speaker 1: So people watched the family and knew something was wrong

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Speaker 1: and did nothing. Now I want you to hear more

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Speaker 1: of what the sisters said. We went and feel right

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Speaker 1: about moving forward with regular content without addressing the most

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Speaker 1: recent advanced their sister getting arrest and her friend Jody Hildebrandt.

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Speaker 1: But they say once we do, we will not be

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Speaker 1: commenting on it further. Ruby was arrested, which needed to happen.

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Speaker 1: Jody was arrested, which needed to happen. The kids are

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Speaker 1: now safe, which is number one priority? Really, the number

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Speaker 1: one priority? You say, you've remained silent for three years?

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Speaker 1: Why did you stand by and let this happen to

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Speaker 1: these children? To have a daughter revealed she had to

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Speaker 1: clean blood off the wall after the children were abused,

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Speaker 1: that daughter likely abused herself. And now the father stating

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Speaker 1: on air he still loves Ruby Frankie. What mixed message

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Speaker 1: does that send the children Ruby Frankie wrought in hell.

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Speaker 1: Woman Nancy gray sonning off, goodbye friend Boo